Bulwark Takes - MAGA Insider Leaks VP’s Epstein Claims

Episode Date: July 22, 2025

Tim Miller explains the latest chaos consuming Trumpworld: MAGA stars Alex Jones and Tim Dillon openly revolt, JD Vance allegedly leaks secrets over dinner, and Pam Bondi’s Epstein tapes claims implode.

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If you have questions or concerns about gambling or someone close to you, please contact Connex Ontario at 1-866-531-2600 to speak to an advisor free of charge. Ben MGM operates pursuant to an operating agreement with iGaming Ontario. Hey guys, Tim over in the Bullock here. We are in day 15 of the Epstein saga. And like as I am taping, like this is still going on a live stream between a couple of big figures in the mega media world. There's Alex Jones, the noted conspiracy theorist, and Tim Dillon, who's actually pretty funny as far as MAGA comedian guys go. They're having a convo in which Alex Jones is talking about how Donald

Trump is committing seppuku, committing harikari, killing his own own sides political fortunes because of his handling of the Epstein case. Over the course of this interview, not only do they talk about the severe political damage that Donald Trump is still doing to his own side, they're not moving on as Trump wants, but also reveal that these guys, at least one of them, had private dinner with the vice president and has, I guess, exclusive information that has not been revealed anywhere else. The vice president is sharing with a mega comic podcaster. So that's the world we're in these days. I keep telling you all, we have to monitor this stuff because it's like in Men in Black

where they read the National Enquirer for the real news. That's what's happening now. To get the real news, you've got to monitor the MAGA Media Freak Show. So here we go. I'm going to play a couple clips for you. The first one's the candy. It's Alex Jones explaining to Tim Dillon why he thinks this is political suicide for Trump. From the outside, the Trump administration campaigns on exposing this cover-up, blowing

the lid off this cover-up. And then they get an office, and now it seems like they're part of this cover-up. So what in your estimation has happened? Well, all I can do is observe from the outside. I have a lot of sources that's been said baseball and what's happening. But the fact I know is this, 15 days ago, they leaked to Axios, the judge's department,

this Epstein didn't get murdered and he was he there wasn't human trafficking and there wasn't any blackmail and. Case closed. And that flies in the face of the court cases, the evidence, the intelligence connections, everything we know. And then I came out on that Monday 14 days ago and I said, this isn't Pam Bondi. I'm not defending her. I agree.

She's in and overhead, like you said, she should go back to policing jets keys in Florida. But then he comes out the next day and says on True Social, no, we need the FBI to move on. I told them to do this. And the next day in a press conference, he chews out the reporter when they're talking about all these issues saying,

how dare you desecrate the graves of dead kids in Texas with the floods, shut up. And that's uncharacteristic for Trump. He looks scared, he looks concerned. And then all the other true social posts about, if you ask questions, you're with the Democrats and this is all a Democrat made up hoax and you're just idiots.

When all his surrogates had promised they'd bring this out, he talked about bringing it out. So this is Harry Carrey. This is Seppuku, for those that don't know in Japanese, that means suicide. And I had the head of Rasmussen polling on, the best polling agency, the most accurate on record today. He said Trump has lost 14 points with independence,

five points with his main base. Like Steve Bannon said a week ago, that'll lose him before Rasmussen reported it. His dead reckoning was right. 40 seats probably in the midterms in a year and a half. He's going with data there. He cites Steve Bannon saying they could lose 40 seats in the House of Representatives. Cites of who they're losing ground with. I think there's something to be said to the fact that Epstein is not going to be the key issue of the midterms. Midterms are

driven a lot by enthusiasm and if the mega base is deflated, if the types of people that watch Alex Jones and watch Tim Dillon and listen to Steve Bannon's war room kind of decide that they're not that excited about it. That is going to have ripple effects as far as turnout is concerned. So I do think this remains a very real active and live political issue. Then you have the criminology of all this. JBL wrote in the triad today, if you go check that out at thebullock.com, about the interesting JD Vance element, how JD Vance had met with the Murdochs recently and how his incentives might be aligned various ways on this. There is another wrinkle, I guess, in the JD Vance strategic surrounding the Epstein case.

In this interview, Tim Dillon reveals, I think for the first time, I went back and watched, Tim Dillon did another podcast a couple days ago where he was talking about what administration officials had told him, He was being vague. But I believe this is the first time that we've known that Tim Dylan had a private dinner with JD Vance during which they discussed Epstein and during which JD was giving out some conflicting information from what is going up for

the rest of the administration. Let's take a look at that. When Bondi said we have 10,000 hours of video, she said we have 10,000 hours of video. I had dinner last week with the vice president. He told me that that was commercial pornography. They do not have videos of any powerful person in a compromising position. That's the party line that they're going with.

If that's the case, why would Pam Bondi call it evidence? Why would she say it's evidence? She's not an idiot. She's the attorney general. Why would she say she has files on her desk if none of these implicated anybody? It just feels like they're covering something for sure 100%.

And I feel like they're telling a story and the story doesn't make any sense. All right. So JD's throwing Pandbondi under the bus in private, I guess. JD's claiming, interesting claim, that these tapes that were taken from Epstein's mansion in New York are not blackmail tapes, they're not tapes of famous people having sex with minors in his home, but are in fact just a massive cache of porn. Who the hell knows? Been lying to him about a lot of porn.

Epstein could have been a porn hound himself. I mean, if you know anything about Jeffrey Epstein, it would seem weird for him to feel like he would need a lot of over the counter porn, given the fact that he was like running a massive sex ring where he was taping people at all times. And if you watch the Epstein documentary, you know, a couple of women testify that they saw his, or what would you call it? A video room, a peep show, a spy room where Epstein had video cameras of what was happening

in all the bedrooms and bathrooms around his residence at the USVI and in New York. So, again, who the fuck? I don't know what's what Jeffrey Epstein's into what what kind of porn he's into maybe has maybe he also had the world biggest collection of porn and he was also taping the teenagers that he was like possible. It's the only video the government has though, all those investigations. Maybe. I don't know. That's the JD Vance claim. It's interesting. As you see in the clip, it's in contrast to what Payne Bondi was saying. And so either way, even if JD Vance is right, that's really hanging Payne Bondi out to. Like, why was she out there saying she had tens of thousands of hours of video

of famous people sleeping with underage girls at Jeffrey Epstein's house if all she had was porn? That will be an interesting oversight question for Pam Bondi at some point, too. There's to be a reason why these people are lying. I mean the Occam's razor reason is that they're covering up to protect Donald Trump because he shows up in a lot of these materials. An alternate reason might be something else that I don't know, Pam Bondi just wanted to be on Fox so much she fabricated a bunch of things that she had that she didn't really have. I don't know. But need this to say we learned tonight that JD Vance is at odds with Pan and Bomb as far as the

story that they're telling. And the JD Vance was sharing that in a private dinner that he had with a MAGA podcast host, who has been kind of quite critical of the administration, both on Epstein, as you've seen in these clips, but also recently on Gaza and the Iran strikes. He's not big on those. Again, if I'm Trump, I'm going, why is JD doing this? Like, is this for me?

Is he, is he doing this for, he's having private dinners with the Murdochs and he's having private dinners with podcast guys that have been shitting on me. Okay. Is he helping me or is there something else going on? I don't know. Something to think about. It was an interesting little factoid, I guess, that Tim Dillon revealed that him and JD are having dinner. Maybe JD just likes having dinner with interesting people. Who's to say? Another wrinkle. I can't believe I saved this one last. You made it this far. I got some dessert for you. Howard Nutlick shows up in this interview in kind of

a strange way. Let's take a look at that. And I don't believe from my sources, and this is Hilo FBI, that it is Trump, but it's people in his administration, including a top financial advisor that's heavily involved. Trump wants to get his agenda through of jobs, 15 trillion investment coming in, three trillion already here. He wants to stop World War III. I'm not defending this, I'm saying the thinking I've been told. And so he goes, oh my God, this is a giant new Russiagate setup.

He comes out and says to my list, to his supporters. Move on from the- Would I be crazy when you say, a top financial advisor, are we talking about Epstein's neighbor? We are. Okay. Interesting. And that makes sense.

So here's how informed you are. And I'm not trying to be a main person because he may even be innocent. We're talking about Ludnick. That's right. Howard Ludnick. Don't sue me. Kidding. Well, it was just, it's beyond suing. This is like, yeah, you're right. Now, let's just say you brought it out. You're

smarter. Figure it out. Nobody else was. I'm sure it's true. Yeah. They're blackmailing him with Ludnick. I've confirmed that from the FBI and it's not that like did anything wrong, but yeah wrong but yeah. What's happening there just for context is Jones is offering you know basically they're offering multiple theories just like me where they are working through and that just like me because Alex Jones makes shit up all the time but they're working through whether or not, you know, there was some foul play here.

They shoot some strays at Maureen Comey, maybe it was the Comeys that put fake Trump material in Epstein-Felicardo. You know, they go through crazy town. But then they explore the theory of, okay, maybe Trump is covering it up. And then Alex Jones is now offering another theory, which is, okay, maybe they're covering up it. It's not because Trump was doing bad things with young girls, but, or that they're covering

up because they're just some bad look relationship with Epstein stuff in there. But maybe they're covering it up for some other reason and what they're what they're what Alex is postulating here is that is that let Nick what is you know kind of pushing Trump to just say come on like this is stupid let's leave this let's leave all these people alone whoever's in this list we don't want to give them any trouble you got to focus on your agenda the economy blah blah blah, blah, blah, blah. I don't know.

That one doesn't really land with me. Tim Dillon then jumps in and points out that Lutnick and Epstein were neighbors. So anyway, the suggestion here is that Lutnick is involved in pushing Trump to, you know, want to move on from this story. Those guys both kind of go out of their way to not say they're accusing Lutnick of being involved on the sex side of this. Maybe there are other, other kids, political considerations or friends, friends, these guys all run in the same circles.

Apparently they do real estate deals together. Um, I don't know. That one doesn't exactly spell right to me, but I, again, I just think from a political standpoint that you have this happening over there. We're in day 15. You have mega comedians, mega, like one of the original in Alex Jones Infowars, pro Donald Trump, mega media outlets.

They're having a chat tonight and the whole thing is about Epstein, about how it's going to hurt Trump politically and about all of this inside baseball of the players, the administration and who's at fault and who's saying one thing, who's contradicting another thing and how it's wrapping up the vice president, the attorney general, the secretary of commerce, and who knows who else. So anyway, get out the popcorn, throw a little Tony's on top, get a little spice on top of your popcorn, and sit back and enjoy because that's what's happening over there. And it seems like there's really no end in sight.

I think that some folks are like, okay, it's going to be just like any of those other stories, it's going to look bad for Trump for a couple of days and then everybody's going to get back in line. I don't know. These guys don't seem like they're getting in line to me. Uh, we'll keep an eye on it. Make sure to subscribe to this feed because we're watching it so you don't have to, and, uh, we'll be talking to you all again soon.