Bulwark Takes - MAGA Mondays: MAGA Influencers Secretly Working for the Pentagon

Episode Date: August 31, 2026

Sam Stein and Will Sommer went live to cover the Pentagon’s secret army of MAGA influencers, including the government employees allegedly working behind anonymous accounts to attack Pete Hegseth’s critics and target the left. Next, Milo Yiannopoulos has been deported. Watch the video to see Will break down the spectacular feud between Milo and Laura Loomer that helped get him there. Plus, the rise of a neo-Nazi boxing spectacle that drew thousands of spectators in Florida.If you want to understand the increasingly unhinged world of MAGA influencers, join The Bulwark. Will Sommer is one of the few reporters actually spending his days tracking these people, figuring out who they are, what they’re doing, and how their influence keeps spreading.Read more from Will: https://www.thebulwark.com/s/false-flag

All right. Hey, everybody. It's me, Sam Stein, managing out of the board. I'm with Will Summer, and we are back for another edition of Maga Mondays, Will. What's going on, man? How are you doing? Hey, I'm good. I'm excited. I think we got a full docket today. Lots to discuss. I also, I should say, I popped into the YouTube comments for the people who are waiting. And I said, what's up? Let's go, Maga Monday. What were the comments are saying? You know, people were excited. They were saying, oh, I hope we hear more about Milo getting deported. And it's like, folks, you're going to hear about. about it don't worry but just sickos in the comments but you're the king of the sickos we're gonna be talking about Milo for sure and be talking about Benny Johnson who made a truck to steak and shake which is everyone every right-wing influencer's favorite burger joint we're gonna be talking about this very disturbing we'll just flag this me like five minutes before we went on on Aaron this is just I just want folks to

this is what it's like to work with Will we're sitting in the office we're going through the topics, you know, what do we want to talk about? You know, let's, let's, let's, let's follow upon your story about this troll army that Pete Hickseth put together. Let's talk about Milo and what's going on with him and Lumer and like, why, how, why is she mad at him? And I was like, you know, there was a Nazi who fought a Jew in a 20,000 person arena in Miami and he calls himself gypsy killer and like, he won. And I was like, Jesus Christ. Like, what, what sick behavior? But this is what will, this is Will's day to day existence. We have video of that apparently.

Yeah, it's a sick story, but don't worry, folks. We also have fun stuff, you know, as well. Okay. Well, let's start with the fun stuff. So over the weekend, actually yesterday, the Post, the Washington Post, you might have heard of it, small publication, local based, follows up on Will's reporting, claims it exclusive. I'll let it happen.

I'll allow it. I'll allow it. Because they did uncover more people who Pete Hagseth, apparently is employing, secretly as special government employees. They are right-wing influencers. They are trolls. They fit exactly the frame of the type of online army that Will wrote about for False Flag this past week.

So, Will, what's new about, there's Will's piece. You can see it on the screen. Post piece. What's new in the post piece that you didn't have? Yeah, so this is, you know, we're now entering week two of the data Republican saga. this is the post uncovered and and sort of confirms there are some people in the story that I'm kind of like I think this guy works for the Pentagon secretly and they confirm that and then they uncovered some new people as well so in addition to Data Republic as a sort of Pentagon special government employee

I love that you call the Data Republic as if this like the female like this is Spanish and it and then we've got this guy like Messna that it's he's a you know he's a he's a Rob Menace. Rob Menace. Dennis the Menace. And, you know, he's kind of just like a conservative talking head. Cynical Publius, who is a sort of former military guy. And I think the big revelation for me personally was Kurt Schlichter, who is a, and I say this with love for Kurt.

A magablo hard. A real chatterbox, a real kind of trash talking guy who obviously I've been familiar with a long time. It was a big fan of my old newsletter back in the day, right, Richter? But he also was apparently secretly working for the Pentagon. As he was writing, oh my gosh, Pete Higgsith, what a genius. Yeah. So people have been like kind of wondering what's the big deal, like what's the story here?

I mean, that's the story. It's like they basically, depending on, hired a bunch of online propagandists to go around and berate Heggsets critics and then to write pieces in publications, never disclosing that they were being paid taxpayer salaries to do it. And then with Data Republica, we're going to start calling her that. They're like, she's out there setting the predicate for government investigations that people think are, that people think are just ostensibly just data driven. but we don't know what the motivations are because clearly she's being fed stuff from Sarah Rogers at the State Department. And obviously she's on the payroll for the Pentagon. That to me is the story, right? That's right.

I mean, there's still a lot of unanswered questions here. I mean, I think even the post story, which definitely advanced this investigation or what we're all looking at here. They're like, well, they were kind of on this, like, some of them were on this anti-woke DEI task force meant to, you know, root out DEI within the military academies. But even that, you know, Dan Lamoth here, very, you know, experienced Pentagon reporter, people still really haven't figured out, like, what is data Republicans' job supposed to be? I mean, among other things. So there's still a lot of weirdness going on here. Do we know how much they were paid?

We don't. We don't even know if they were paid. Sometimes special government employees aren't paid. Okay. I suspect in some of these cases, they probably were paid. I don't know that data Republicans working for free. You know, it is funny, though, like now some of these people, are sort of coming out of the woodwork after all this time denying it or avoiding pointed questions

about it the pentagon refusing to answer questions about it we saw cynical publius say um you know yes i had an opportunity you know to work for for for the pentagon and so we put up the cynical publius tweet it's long it's so long i'm this is i can't read it all to clarify to folks this is after the washington post published their story and now he says i would like to clarify some things is i can't read all, but basically he says, I know, okay, I may be retired from activity, but I'm still a soldier and my oath never expired. When my country called, I answered and accepted an offer to be on the task force studying those same senior service colleagues, an area for which I have certain expertise. I'm a patriot and fully support the necessary efforts of the War Department with

respect to reforming the senior service colleges. So he admits that he was on the peril. My service with the Department of War as a special government employee, was exclusively limited to participation in such task force and ended on July 26, 2006. So yeah, after he was, after his report, he wouldn't respond to Dan for the story, but after the story went up, he admits that he was, you know, Dan's story is interesting, too, because the post story, he, he says cynical publicist, like, only was, you know, listed as inactive or taken out of the Pentagon directory, like, last week. like so after all of this drama started so you know one wonders what what exactly is going on there

well and also one wonders is this the extent of it right like what do we have for how many people do we have now cynical rob kirt data republican and infantry dork that's five right yes yes and then missing anyone well john conrad this the shipping expert oh conrad yeah well he was like in line to join the pentagon and then ultimately didn't uh because they ghosted him i don't know if kurch Lichter finally picked up the phone and they were like we want Kurt instead or whatever. Yeah. But but then look, I mean, there could be more. You know, I have a Freedom of Information Act request in.

I'm sure Pete Hegseth is like, I need this process immediately. I want this story. We're looking into it. So, you know, it's a weird thing. But, you know, since we last had Mega Monday, you know, and you kind of jabbed at this, Jennifer Pounds, aka Data Republican, has released this like weird, crazy wall, always sunny in Philadelphia type software thing where you can type in like Antifa and then see all the Antifa people that she's put into this database. So it's very

odd. And I think she actually has come out with a more recent one, even just over the weekend, another one of these things. So we have a Pentagon employee who's making like databases of leftists at the time, at the same time that we see the administration trying to like criminalize some kinds of leftism or, you know, put, put Antifa groups on sanctions lists. So there's, there seems to be this concerted effort, as you mentioned, Sarah Rogers, leaking to date a Republican. And I don't quite see the, the exact thrust of it. We don't know every detail, but something's afoot here. Yeah. Well, yeah. And I guess this is the other thing. It's, these are paid government employees demanding investigations into or encouraging

investigations into their political opponents. And that actually leads me to infantry dork, who, so the Post had two pieces over the weekend. They were very noteworthy. One was this Pentagon, was this story about the Pentagon installing these influencers in taxpayer-funded roles. The other was that Pete Hexseth had gotten a memo from top four-star generals saying, like, the war in Iran is not sustainable and that really risking army readiness. If you keep doing it, It was a classified memo that was leaked. The memo wasn't leaked. The summarization of the memo was leaked to the post.

And the Pentagon went nuts, like totally nuts over this. And Infantry Dort was among them. And let's put up the first tweet that Infantry Dort. Again, this is a, this is a, as far as we know, a government employee. This is a serving lieutenant colonel. A serving lieutenant who tweets anonymously. And he says what he writes. Jeff Bezos, at Jeff Bezos, he tags him.

I'm asking you to look at this once through the eyes of the people wearing the uniform since you own the Washington Post. We volunteered and accepted the bargain, missed birthdays, broken bodies, years away from our families, so on, so on, so on. We know our lot and we're not complaining about it, but the job is hard enough without having to wonder whether an American newspaper is going to publish classified wartime command deliberations because its newsroom despises the administration and wants another cheap political scalp.

the president, secretary of the Pentagon, whatever, that's politics. But when the ammunition for that fight is information tied to ongoing operations and the private judgments of senior commanders, you're spending our risk to buy your headline. I don't even know. Well, that's because that's how AI writes, Sam. That is one aspect. I mean, you know, just kind of one side thing here is like so many of these people just like absolutely love using AI people in this saga. So it's often kind of hard to like figure out what's going on.

like what they're really trying to say because they're clearly just like AI give me a 2000 word Twitter post about how much I hate Dan Lamoff. Yeah. Okay. Let's go to tweet too because it just keeps going. I'm not going to read the whole things. Okay. Yeah, Jeff, give us a fucking chance. Come on, man. You've got a clean house at the paper. The journalists are too black pill to be of any use anymore. In fact, they're literally harming us. Our brothers and sisters are in a worse situation now due to this reporting. All right, whatever. We can take it down. So yeah, I mean, there you have an active duty soldier, uh, soldier, uh, what's his job? I forget his title. Anyways, he's calling for Jeff Bezos to fire, um, reporters because of, um, active reporting. The hatred, infantry dort and this larger,

kind of like, hegg set influencer universe have for like actual Pentagon reporters is so crazy. Yeah. And by the way, Data Republican and John Conrad were also themselves credentialed fake, you know, reporters. You would think that like Dan Lamoth is in the weather underground or something, the way that they talk about him. They're just like, and they're just with other people too, right? And they're just like, they're just like, this person is out to destroy the military. I mean, it's so crazy. You know, I was thinking about this story where the Pentagon's reaction to this, the Washington Post story about like, you know, these generals saying, I don't know, I don't think the war is going so well. We kind of got to figure this out. They're in the QAnon community,

we have a saying, you know, when you're getting flack, you're over the target. And, you know, this is, in this case, the reaction to the post story, people are just, oh my gosh, you know, this is treason, this is insane. I mean, that tells you how sensitive they are about how badly the war is going. Yeah, it's nutty. I had a thought, Brown, this, because obviously we're in like this weird new frontier where people can just go online and get, you know, be paid and never disclose things. And let me just say something about Rob Menace.

Because they put a piece of, so there's a couple things here. One is they highlighted the fact that Rob Menace wrote a piece for the Daily Collar, which was like pretty complimentary, I believe, of Pete Hegseth. And I wish I had the piece in front of me. But they never disclosed that he was a employee of the Pentagon. And I went back to the piece today and still not disclosed. So that's like one thing here. And I don't know. I mean, obviously the collar should absolutely disclose it and they can do so retroactively even if they didn't do it.

All right. Here, I actually have the piece right now. Okay, so it says, disloyal careers are still haunting the Pentagon's halls. It's by Rob. And there's no disclosure at the end. It just says, retired US Air Force Colonel 9-11 Pentagon's. I have our author of what you can do about it, a host of the Rob Menace show, and so on so forth. So that's one element of it. The other element that I wanted to get at was the anonymity here. Like a bunch of these people, if you just were like perusing online and you had no clue or the wherewithal to investigate who these people were, cynical pluvius, you know, infantry dort, I guess Kurt you would know because he lists his name there.

But like these data Republican, they operate with anonymity. And I have a proposition to you, Will, which is was Elon Musk? basically scraping any sort of verification requirements on Twitter. Was that not one of the more consequential social media maneuvers ever? I mean, we live in a world where people can do this now. Yeah, I think that's right. I mean, I think the idea that people can, you know, these, I mean, to be frank, Data Republican who is able to have the verified checkmark and sort of poses this expert

despite being a random lady with like, I guess Excel, like maybe not even that. You know, it is a, these people come off as like, you know, experts or in the case of infantry door, you're looking at it and you don't realize that this guy is like essentially a Pete Heggsat spokesperson, you know, I mean, it's these weird ways that people use their, use their identities or sort of pose as disinterested figures. One quick note about Kurt Schlichter. He's also the author of a series about a fictional stories about how sick it would be if there was an American Civil War and how much the red states would just like absolutely stomp the blue states. So, you know, is this, is this a guy we really want, you know, working for the Pentagon?

I don't know. There's something psychological about it too. So like cynical pluvius is the best example. What's the guy's actual real name? Do we know? We should know. It's something Anderson, I believe. Yeah, it's Thomas Anderson.

Okay. Matt, if you can find a picture of Thomas Anderson somehow, like there's a picture out there of the guy. And if you could just contrast it with cynical pluvial. And you see this guy's actual photo and you're like, this is just like a kind of like glasses wearing nerd, right? Like this guy is like, he talks such a tough game online. He's got this stupid photo, obviously. But he's just like this academic nerd. And it does add an element of, you know, you can be a little bit, a bit more of a tough guy when you're behind a cloak of anonymity.

And I think that's what's happening here. These guys get to just badge or critics of Pete Heggseth. They're on the pay. They're on the payroll, and they don't have to ever get any pushback because they can hide their identities. You know, what thing is striking to me about the cynical Publius apology is when he says, you know, no one and some of these others have said, none of us were paid for our posts here. Well, let's say we believe that, right? I don't necessarily believe that.

But like, they were still, you know, they had this affiliation. They weren't disclosing. And we're headed towards this world. A bunch of MAGA influencers went on a trip to Poland recently. And they don't want to disclose who paid for it. And they're just like, well, I don't know. Someone gave us something. Well, that's the other thing.

I mean, you've written about this like a lot, which is we just don't know where the money is coming from. There's just absolute insane avenues of money coming in and out of these right-wing influencer operation. So, yeah, I guess the Pentagon's getting in on the act, but who knows? And, you know, this used to be a big, big scandal back in the George W. Bush administration, you know, for us old timers, we remember back when Armstrong Williams, I believe, was secretly being paid to write about no child left behind in columns, which is like literally essentially what's happening here. I mean, he was not, I don't think they were saying, hey, Armstrong. That was a huge scandal. You know, remember the the Jeff Gannon, who, you know, the gay porn guy. Do I remember Jeff Gannon? Of course I remember Jeff Gannon. Not sure if you were quite, you know, paying attention to politics at that point. But that was a long time ago. So the, these things used to be like pretty big. scandals and now the pentagon is just like i don't know just like higher five influencers and get them to say nice things about pete eggs up arguably more effective arguably way more effective than getting

armstrong williams to do some segments on sinclair or whatever the broadcast was i mean really who how many what are their follower counts oh i mean you know cynical publius is like north of 300 uh data republican 300 000 300 000 sorry sorry good point good point um you know a little little shop talk here the you know jenica pounds data republican is approaching a million and i'll say this this data republican thing i think the kurch lichter stuff that's certainly interesting cynical public is but i think data republican is the one to watch here there's something up there because i think this thing where she's like making these antifa lists all this stuff i think because her actual posts about military stuff were relatively rare she attacked dan driscoll who's the secretary of the army who was very an enemy of pete hexath but i think

her stuff about like going after the left and Antifa. If there's some nexus there between the administration and, you know, if you worked for the administration, so there probably is, I think there's more to come. Okay. You're probably right. And we should get on it. We do need to change topics in a second,

but we did find Thomas Anderson's actual photo. So just, can we put up cynical Plubis's Twitter shot so you can get a sense of what this guy looks like or do we not have that met? All right. All right. So you can see up top, that's his Twitter icon. We got Cicero or whoever.

Imagine if he was tweeting like that. Just imagine if he was tweeting like that. Wouldn't that land a little differently if that was his Twitter icon? Maybe I should go with the Greek statue. Look, you know, people are like a great statesman. Yeah. I mean, honestly, honestly God, if he was tweeting a bunch of journalists with that screenshot, with that headshot, I feel like it would be different.

I feel like psychological be like, okay, buddy. I hear you. I hear you. Whatever you say, man. Yeah, you're not a statue. You're not a Greek statue, for sure. But like, yeah, okay. Anyways, I'm holding to the idea that Elon Musk and getting rid of the

verifications and shit like this was really consequential. Whatever. You can, you can believe it or not. I think Will does bind to it. Okay. Let's move on. Actually, before we move on, Mark Tieson, a little note here. So we talked about the second story.

that the post broke, which is that these four stars are advising Higgs, that this is just not sustainable, which like you could kind of obviously, I mean, it was clear to anyone who was watching the war, right? I guess you don't want the leaking of classified information. I certainly understand that from the perspective of the Pentagon, but it wasn't like this was blowing you out of the water in terms of revelations. Anyways, Mark Teeson's a columnist for the Washington Post. He believes that the sources for his colleagues who work at the Washington Post

ought to be prosecuted. Mark writes, whoever leaked this is a traitor, and ought to be prosecuted. One, Mark, on the technical terms, is probably right. Like, it is a crime to leak classified information, so I don't begrudge him for saying that. But you did work at the paper buddy. And those are the sources for your reporters. And what you're saying, essentially, is to go after the sources. And you know this administration will go through the reporters to get to the sources. So not a great look for Mark. I don't know if you feel differently well. No, I mean, I think, you know, obviously Mark's on the opinion side. He's still a journalist

of some sort. He's employed by the post. Yeah, and I think, you know, professional courtesy, you know, one maybe doesn't want to, you know, promote the idea that leakers should be prosecuted. I'm always, you know, whoever's getting the leaks, I'm pretty cool with it. Yeah, I'm for

leaks. If you have stuff to leak, we have a secure tip line, actually. If you have stuff to leak, let me see if I can pull it up. I believe it's, um, I'll figure it out. I'll give it later. It's a hush line and it's very secure. Okay, I'll get it later.

All right, well, let's talk about Milo and Lumer and what the hell happened here. So Milo is now what? He is in England. They flew him out that night, I believe. I think they flew him out Friday night. Yeah, so look, this is the earthquake that has shaken Maga World and thrown all of Milo's enemies on the right into paroxysms of delight. They're thrilled.

They couldn't be happier. So this is, Milo is, of course, Milo Unopolis was deported. He was detained by ICE on Friday. And like within 24 hours was shipped back to the UK, which also appears to be sort of VIP treatment. I don't think everyone else is getting that. He didn't get to Central Africa or any country there. Yeah, he didn't get sent to Seacot. And so, yeah, I mean, this is a, I wish we knew more, you know, but I think, obviously we talked about this a little on the trio. but that is the state of play.

He got busted. They said the DHS came out and said he had his visa revoked or was in on an expired visa and had essentially skipped his final immigration hearing in July. And so they were out for him. So I asked you, and I'm going to just cede the floor for a couple minutes for you to just kind of riff here. Someone asked why, because it seems pretty evident that, and she told you this, that Laura Lumer was behind this. Laura Lumer had been pushing from to be deported.

You reached out to Lumer last week. You said, did you do this? She said, can't you read motherfucker? And so she really did say that, more or less. So she's just taking a victory left for this. And someone emailed them to ask, can we, or they tweeted, can you explain why these two just don't like each other? Like what happened here?

They were once thick as thieves. Really? They were, oh my gosh. Yes. best friends. I mean, as recently as 2019, they appeared at a rally in D.C. where Milo was dressed as Laura. They were best

friends. They were kind of like, you know, not quite canceled. They were sort of in the wilderness together. I mean, they were Laura famously, you know, she had changed herself to Twitter headquarters. She was kind of becoming a laughing stock on the right. In sort of the last years of the Trump administration, she was banned

from Twitter. Milo was banned from Twitter. They were buddies. But things started to change. And now what changed? Well, a couple things. I think Milo got very close to Marjorie Taylor Green, who is obviously a big enemy of Laura's. And, you know, he was supposedly living with her.

He ghost wrote her book, she claims. And she offered some evidence to that effect. In Marjorie Taylor Green, you know, Laura, like, hates other women who get prominent in the right. And Marjorie Taylor Green had supposedly helped to sabotage Laura's attempts to get a job in the Trump campaign. So there's that. I think also Milo, he recognized,

that Laura, in some ways, is what people on the internet call a l-l-cow. Right? Like a- a-law cow. So L-O-L-C-O-W, right? So someone that is kind of constantly producing laws. And so, like, and, and, you know, in many ways, Milo is himself that.

But basically, like, he knew stuff about her. He was very, he started, like, she had these congressional campaigns, and he started claiming that she was, like, sexually assaulting the male staff members. I don't think that's been proven. But basically, there were a couple kind of moments where he like betrayed her

possibly because he thought she was weak and it was worth just kind of making fun of her. And so from there, that's where the bad blood truly began. And why did it escalate to the poem where she wanted him deported though? That seems like, well, you know, falling out is one thing going like sicking the ice on the guy as another. Well, Bilo also, you know, Laura's kind of key interest along with Donald Trump is Israel, right? And you know, her special interest, if you will. And so, like, they started to, Milo affiliated himself with people like Nick Fuentes, although they've since had a falling out, most prominently with Kanye West, extremely anti-Semitic, pro-Hittler guy. And I think that was really ultimately where the Rift became, you know, undoable.

They became enemies for life. And so, you know, Laura obviously took this step. She claimed she's reported some other right-wing media figure to ICE as well. Stay tuned for who that's going to be. Yeah, I mean, it's good to be. Well, obviously, it's sort of a unique situation because, you know, most. of America's right wing media commentators are Americans. And so, you know, it has to be someone who could get deported.

I don't know. But obviously, she's really spiking the football. Is Ian Miles Chung in America? No, you know, remember, as far as we know, he's in the Emirates because he was, you know, at the nightclub amid the missiles falling. And he was just like, you know, a couple scud missiles don't scare us in Dubai. What a scene. 3 a.m. at the club.

He looked so miserable. That was one of the Alzheimer's best. Dio's. I'm intrigued by who Laura's got in the crosshairs, although there's something really grotesque about just all this. Yeah, I mean, I think ultimately, look, I can't tell people,

look, not to appreciate the irony of Milo and I super fan who said there should be checkpoints at every daycare or whatever. I mean, a total sick stuff, you know, we talked on the trio about Milo saying he was, you know, cranking it to the idea of seeing people getting deported. And obviously now he's

been deported. But at the same time, you know, some people have called it Lumer occupied government, Lumocracy, this idea that we are under the thumb of Laura Lumer and she can decide who gets deported. I can't embrace that idea. Yeah, it's a little troubling, to say the least, having her make big decisions like this. I think it's just really unlikely that this naturally landed on ICE's radar. Milo was, you know, making probably roughly according to court records like 500 grand as Kanye OS manager like associate so I just don't think a white guy from the UK is really like top of ICE's list. I also wonder you know he was here on like a talented person visa.

I wonder if somehow that got revoked because of Laura's scheming in the first place. We'll see. All right. Well, I said we have a tips line. So if you are watching this and you work for DHS or I. The judge in Milo's immigration hearing. Yeah, there you go. Hold on a second.

I got to read it for the people who are not on YouTube. It's the bulwark.com slash tips. That's the bulwark.com slash tips. And let me tell you, folks, this is a secure hush line. Very secure. Send us your tips. It doesn't have to be just about Milo, although I would love it if you have any insights into them.

Let us know if you're from the Pentagon and you're watching this and you have some insights into what Data Republican is doing. And whether she's creating a database for Pete Heggis to go after libs hit us up all right will you what are we saying well i was just going to run down a couple other mylo haters who have been celebrated um because because each of them has such a funny little like feud with him so let's talk about enrique tarrio the founder of the proud boys um himself is a federal informant um so he has been very excited about this now why do milo and enrique hate each other so mylo in his latter years had just become like like he just hated

everyone on the right and he loved terrorizing them. And so in this case, he linked up with Enrique Tarrio's baby mama, this woman he had a child with who, as far as it seemed, I mean, according to her, he was a deadbeat dad. And so Milo started paying some of the child support and being like, Enrique, I'm sending Christmas presents to your child, even if you won't. And I think he, like, posed with the kid and stuff. And it got to the point where I literally thought Enrique Tario like might murder him. It was so crazy.

And so he was just like taunting him and being like, I'm the new dad and all this stuff. It was really crazy because the mom was really into like terrorizing Enrique as well. So that was one aspect. Elijah Schaefer. Hold on. Let's pause. Like a cue imagine like dedicating a portion of your life to try to like trigger a proud boy like that. That's like a death sentence.

That's nice. Well, you know, yeah, those guys, you know, they take their rules seriously. No flip-flops, no wanks, all that stuff. So there was that. So he's been excited. Obviously, Elijah Schaefer, you know, great philanderer, the right wing media commentator, Milo. You know, Milo played an interesting role for me because he would often, he would get the same

stuff that I got leaked to him. And then he would just, I'd be like, I got to verify this, whatever, like he had this audio. And then Milo would just throw it up. And then I would say, all right, it's out there. I mean, there's this whole discussion about it now. I got to write about it. Wasn't that, wait, wasn't for Elijah, didn't Milo have the recordings? He had, I think it was either a recording of the woman Elijah Schaefer was having an affair with, or he had, like, text messages, something he just kind of threw out. And it turned out to be true. And it really, obviously, threw Elijah's life into chaos. You know, later, it turned out to be leaked by Elijah's brother-in-law, whatever. But basically, Elijah has been casual whatever. He's been, he's been totally excited now. So he went on this thing where he claims he reported Milo to ICE, too.

Oh, come on. Who's to say. How many people get credit for this? I mean, I think I don't think it took a lot for people to be like, hey, that guy's British. I wonder if he's here legally. So he claims that now he's launched, I think the Milo files where he says he's going to reveal everyone who is in league with Milo or every journalist who was, you know, getting tips from Milo. And so, yeah, he's going to bust. Well, I'm not that word because he went after a guy named Tony Ortiz, current revolt on Twitter, who's kind of an interesting character himself, but who had covered some of, he covered

Elijah's jaw surgery. He got a picture of him going into the jaw surgeon clinic. And so he's like, I got this notebook. This is all over the weekend. He was like, I got this notebook of Tony Ortiz. And it's like, it's basically like practicing words. And so the implication is Tony doesn't know how to speak English, which is not true.

But it's Tony's wife, I think, is Japanese. And so she is practicing English. But anyways, I'm getting a little far afield here. But like these are kind of like the after effects. And then finally, folks, Benny Johnson. Ben, Ben, famously, Milo had accused

Benny of being gay. Benny said he was going to sue him. And then he didn't sue him. And then now that Milo got deported, Benny's saying, you can't sue a guy who's been deported by ICE, you know,

even if he clearly has assets still in the United States. So I guess, you know, I guess I'm straight by default, essentially. You brought him up. So why don't we play the,

Benny, Benny, you know, it's funny that I don't really know how, I would never live like this where every outing to any restaurant or any experience in or even outside or even in my house is something I use as fodder for social media

and some cultural war fighting. But that is Benny's existence where there's literally nothing that he will do that he doesn't turn into some sort of I don't know moment to throw on the web. Here he is. So let's set this up.

So your biggest hater has been seized by ice, the man who outed you. And I don't know. I don't know if I want to give, I don't know if we want to give mild credit for outing. Well, who, who, I feel like it's been out there before. Come on. Yeah. So the man who highlighted it, I guess, most aggressively. Elevated it.

Elevated these issues. And so he's, your biggest hater is in ICE detention. Where are you going out to celebrate tonight? Let's go to the clip. Let's play the video. What it takes to feed our. Here's Benny's wife. She got hamburgers and french fries from steak and shake.

They're eating good, though. Looks like good for us. Look at these. Is he have a GoPro on or something? So how is he doing that? I guess you can do it like this. So they go to steak and shake, which is obviously a big Maha restaurant now because they don't cook the French fries.

He says, took my family to steak and shake tonight for the first time. doesn't mention Milo, but that's implied. Maha meal, seed oil free, grass-fed, grass-finished beef, beef tallow fries, real milkshake. Kids loved it. Ten-10 would recommend hamburger emoji. So a little spawn con possibly. You know, what did you make of this? Well, yeah, I first thought was what I just articulated, which is you got to like, I just wish

these people would just take the phone away, like just to have a normal life. You don't need to do this. And yeah, in terms of celebratory spots, it's, it's, if you're celebrating, yeah, go somewhere. Yeah, live a little. Yeah, live a little. Like, you know, even the sizzler, get yourself a steak. But then, you know, I also wondered if he's being paid for this because you can't rule it out anymore. These guys are all getting paid for this shit.

So there's kind of two aspects here. One is the idea that, you know, steak and shake now is, is, is, is, is, is, you know, getting you know a big thing of fries is healthy um and there were some beef tato fries yeah some maha people you know we know they've served rfk has served um the steak and shake at the hHS cafeteria this is like the new thing i didn't know that oh yeah steng shaks now at hHS they do pop-ups it's not a permanent uh my man in hHS sent me a picture of the the pop-up you have you have a guy at hHS so so sourced so i know all about what goes into those milkshshshed eggs. So there was that. And a lot of some conservatives were like, I don't know if I really buy

this idea that a hamburger from steak and shake is the healthiest thing. But then the other aspect is that like the family, the influencer aspect. And it's funny you bring this up because just this week, a guy who had previously sent death threats to Benny and his family or last week was sentenced. And Benny, you know, he filmed himself at the courthouse. Oh, he's so excited. Look, obviously, people shouldn't be doing that it's awful, send the guy away. But then some conservative commentators were like, well, if my family was getting death threats, I don't think I would be posting my family quite so much, Benny. Now, the reason I get into this is there's an ideological component here. Benny says, in order to get the birth rate up, I have to show how awesome my family is. I got to

get people excited about having kids. So there's kind of some motivation here that I thought was interesting that he was unpacking. His argument for posting as much as he does is that he wants people to have more kids? Yeah. So he's trying to make having kids look full. fun. And I got to say, watching him deliver that platter of french fries to his kids, I was like, that looks kind of fun. But you know, but you and I both know how that goes. Come on. Let's be real. Well, we saw it. The thing that that resonated for me. My kid's going to be like, I don't want a burger. I don't want that steak. Burger. I don't want a burger. I want where's the seed oil. Tenders. The kid standing on the chair is very evocative of like where both Benny and I are in our parenting journeys. It's sort of like. Can you just do it? Yeah, show the real shit, Benny. Like, I want the kid throwing the fries at his brother's face. I want all the spittle.

I want the chaos. I want the kid who's got to poop as soon as you, like, start the order and you have to run them to the bathroom and leave the other kids. I love my kids. Everyone thinks I don't love my kids so much. But they're just, kids are chaos. He's just saying, here's the burgers. Dig in, kids. Mileu, Unopolis got deported.

Who? What? Yeah. He's, look at this. It's Milo. Look at this Twitter shot. Any other thoughts on Ben, before I move on? Actually, it's sort of tying back to Milo.

I have one more thought. So people have been talking about, Milo famously said he had an external hard drive that was filled with dirt on his enemies. And he called it the vault. And he would wave it around, he raved it around for like seven years or something. Is this one of those things where it's like, if you come at me, you're going to get like mutual destruction. So this has been actually a legal issue before because the people who were suing Richard

Spencer. related to Charlottesville. This is why Richard Spencer hates Milo, because he cooperated to some extent with the people suing them. And so they said, well, actually, we would love to get that vault. So here's a subpoena. And then there was kind of like Milo essentially said the vault was metaphorical, whatever. So I know there's a lot of excitement on the internet that Milo is going to release the vault.

Maybe it's real. He's certainly had a lot of dirt on people, which I believe. My challenge to you, Milo, is if it's real, let's do, you know, release it, get it out there. But I would temper your expectations a little bit. Yeah, Milo. It's the bulwark.com slash tips. Theborec.com slash tips. If you have the...

I told him we can come on our YouTube. I want to break it down. So, you know, that's, I'm a little bit... I wish you hadn't just extended the invitation. It's conditional. You know, maybe clear that one by the editors first. That said, you know, I'm like... Actually, who's this joining Maga Monday right now?

Oh, that's... Live from London. Um, you know, I'm a sucker for contents. And I think you're playing on the, the fact that we're live right now and that I love a good interview and that we do numbers. But you have my blessing

if you want to interview Milo. If you want to come on Maga Monday, we'll keep it like a very confined 15 minute segment. We'll get his take on Lumer and what it's like to go through the ice. Maybe he's like open, this process has opened his eyes to the

depravity of ice and he's reformed. Oie, I'm woke now, isn't it? That's more. Is that, that's like more, uh, what, it's like an Australian almost. No, that's East London. I don't know. It doesn't sound like him, does it? Try again.

Tom Oman, you having a laugh? That's a little bit. That's what he said. That's what he said. Is that he said that? You haven't laughed? Tom Omen. I will say the shot, the bug shot of him was, they did him dirty.

They did. Yeah, that was crazy. That's like the other aspect here is that DHS clearly was like spiking the football. here like they put out the mugshot of him getting deported they gave him that he looked awful yeah yeah he you know they they kind of punctured the the glamour the image of that my life the myth of myla with the coiffed hair and the beauty uh people are saying uriacs it was more manchester than london and i'm i'm gonna go with that all right um did we want to mancunium okay i don't know if we want to do n g nixon but there was some nastiness around this we can skip that um

this is what we need to talk about, which is the thing you flagged before the show. And it's so, I just want people to understand, if I do chuckle in this, it's because I'm so disturbed that I can't control my emotions. This is bad. Like, the way I haven't seen it yet will describe it for me. It's just bad. Like there's nothing else you can say about it. And it makes me wonder how much longer we have.

have as a society. Will, why don't you set up the stage for us, please? Yeah, so there's this guy named Gypsy Crusader. His real name is Paul Miller, and he's kind of like a extremely far-right neo-Nazi live streaming character. In the first Trump administration, he was affiliated with Nick Fuentes, although Fuentes kind of was, you know, he doesn't want to affiliate with like out-and-out neo-Nazis, and so he kind of distanced himself. Then he was arrested and on gun charges as a felon in possession of a gun, and he served almost two years or I think maybe two years in prison, federal prison. Anyways, now he's back. And unfortunately, his prison term has only made him a bigger personality on the right.

And he dabbles a lot in like Joaquin Phoenix Joker imagery to give you an idea what we're working with. So on Saturday, he had, you know, these influencers do boxing matches. And so in this case, he did a boxing match at Orlando's Kia Center Arena, which seats, 20,000. I'd say it's about half full, so let's say 10,000 people. And he fought a Jewish guy, I think an Israeli guy named King Azulay, who's like a really like kind of small fish influencer. He was the only one of willing to do this. And unfortunately, Gypsy Crusader won. And there was like a lot of Nazi celebration. I mean, this is a guy with SS tattoos, like Thunderbolt tattoos on his chest. We can see it there. You can see his waistband says Joker Woffin, so kind of a play on like

the Woffin SS. And then, you know, there was also after he won, you know, he used the K-Work, he, you know, whatever. He called the Jewish guy that. People were cheering. They loved it. You know, and here we can play the swastika video as well. So here's the audience, beloved. They have a swastika slag.

So, you know, he himself, when he walked into the arena, him and his entourage were throwing backstage, they were throwing up Hitler's salutes. So obviously, we were. I'm glad we had some fun earlier because this is obviously a serious thing. But I think it's also unfortunately the kind of thing that we should be aware of as we discussed the right and what's happening in the right-wing entertainment ecosystem. So, yeah, I hadn't seen that before you told me about it. And I'm not even sure how to react. for folks who are listening and not watching,

that was a fairly large arena. It's a prominent arena. Garth Brooks plays there. I'm just looking this up now. That was pretty filled, and someone draped a swastika in front of everybody over the balcony. That is. obscene I'm like a little shaken up by it to be honest with you this arena will I just

went on their their Instagram page and this so in addition to hosting a Nazi fighter this is what they have coming up Disney on ice spotlight magic there's Moana there's Mickey and Minnie this arena should have to answer for this for what they did here, for hosting this event and for not having the ability to see the problems here that were about to happen. I know I'm not preaching to the choir here, but this is nuts, and that's awful. Has there been anyone who's picked up on this, anyone of prominence has seen this? Like, how does this even happen without people being like, wait a second, let's not do this?

Yeah, I mean, as far as I can see, I mean, I think there are a couple of Jewish accounts, but otherwise, that's partially why I wanted to highlight it here, because I do think this reminds me of when clavicular and the gang were, you know, listening to Hail Hitler and some of them were throwing up Nazi salutes in that Miami nightclub. Yeah. Fortunately, it sort of just is a sign of kind of this mainstreamification, at least on the right, of these kind of edgy, you know, Nazi imagery. I mean, you know, it strikes me that, you know, there. was a national's baseball game and you know someone unfurled uh jake lang unfurled yeah uh you know some kind of like you know white supremacist banner i can't remember what it said and the security was like oh my gosh you know and they dragged the guy out and you whatever and obviously in this case as far as i can tell that was not the case here that the crowd loved it and you know i don't think it was done by the

organizers so um you know it is you know disturbing stuff but yeah i would like to know what kea we'll say about this. I would be curious if Ron DeSantis weighs in on this. I mean, I know he didn't do this, but it is his state. I mean, look, folks, let's just be real about it. We've been through a couple weeks now where we were talking about Graham Platner and his tattoo, rightfully so. People were going nuts on that. There's a problem here on the right and the left with neo-Nazism.

And having a spectacle like that in a serious arena is grotesque. I don't want to end on that. I want to have a little bit lighter fare. While we were doing this entire broadcast, two news stories of the same variety came out. So Will's coming at this very fresh. So am I, honestly. The first story broken by,

they're both involving Kalshi. Marshall Cohen at CNN had this tweet up. He says, Calci says that Lori Buckhout, okay, the Republican nominee in North Carolina's first district, improperly traded on her own campaign violating platform rules and is being fined $2,500 and suspended from the platform for three years. This is a Dem-held seat that is now lean GOP after redistricting.

How do you do this if you were the congressional candidate? Why are you betting Kalshi on your own campaign? That is insane. And then the second story, our old boy, Wall Street Journal reports this. Ex-Congerner-Ga-Chi's first-ever-law. lifetime ban. Decision comes at the federal regulator. Alleged Santos made more than $17,000 by placing bets on his attendance at the

state of the union address. If I'm remembering correctly, Santos says, he hinted that he would be at the state of the union address in person, then placed bets that he would not, privately place best that he would not go and then decided not to go and won the bets. So, Will, we have a gambling problem with Calshy. here. Yeah, you know, this is always kind of weird to me because I thought the whole point of these platforms was that you could like tell what was going to happen because the insiders were placing bets. And now we're told like you're not supposed to do that. Can we throw the Lori Buckeout thing

up again? So I think it says she made less than a thousand dollars worth of bets. I mean, what's the point? You're risking your whole case for like for like 300 bucks or something? And then I don't think What exactly she was betting on But you know I don't think so either That's the thing But they do say it was

They hinted that she well she traded on her own campaign So it had to be something But like why is Kalshi running bets on this random obscure North Carolina one campaign? I mean who's betting on that These platforms will run on anything Sam You know I when I was writing that data Republican story They now have a contract on whether data Republican will have to testify

testify before Congress. So, you know, I mean, they're coming up with these things all the time. What is, well, what, what, what's the answer? Do we know? Well, it was, whether she'll have to testify before October. So obviously, a Republican held Congress. And so, of course, it's at 1% because, you know, they're not going to call her unless, although maybe they'll call her to be like, let's talk about Antifa.

I'm trying to find data Republican right now, but it's just, it's coming up data and Republican. And unfortunately, can't search it that well. I'm looking for some good bets to have as I, the most, the most, betting. Will Donald Trump attend UFC 331? What do you think? He loves the UFC. He loves the brawls. So you would put a yes bet? You know, could I just make a point about George Santos? No, I want your yes or no bet on UFC. I'm putting a yes down 10K. Let's let it ride. Wow. Only 7% say yes. Okay, go ahead. What about Santos? I was just going to say George Santos was

among the people celebrating Milo's exile. He was saying essentially like, you know, there's a new maga media queen in charge and it's me or whatever he says something along those lines and that's not that's not my characterization and um and it's one of these things it's like george santo's you know i i know tim's very skeptical of george santo's coverage but it's one of those like george samos come on you'll never be you know the as rude a character as uh as mylo was no no he doesn't have it in him um although i do you know every now and then i do love a good george santo's story will donald trump be impeached during his term what do you think the yeses and nos are here.

I think yes should be ahead. I would certainly think yes. 66% say yes. 34% say no. All right, I think we're good, buddy. I got the nasty taste of that Nazi spectacle out of my mouth. And I'm ready to seize the day. You want to tease what you're writing about today?

Do you even know what you're writing about today? You know, we should talk about it. I just love the Milo story. I feel like there's a little more. It'd be a shame to not have a false flip. flag, any false flags delving into it. All right. Folks, in the comments section, right now, quickly, what should Will write about?

If you think you should write about Milo and Lumer and their fight and just Milo in general, say so, if you think you should stay on the Pentagon story, which is the other one, although it seems to be like maybe more of a deep dive, or should you write about the Nazi spectacle? Let's go. All right. We're throwing it open. Oh, they're saying human printer. So we got a human printer.

You got a pencil? Milo. Milo. No. Someone just said no. I don't know what that means. Don't like it anymore. Sam,

before we wrap up here, I do want to flag something. Sure. Folks, this is the first time we're talking about it on Megamunday. I will be joining the Bullwark live on tour.

I was just going to say that, buddy. Okay, go right ahead. But that's not the first time you're going to be joining the Bullwark on tour. You were out with, you were...

Well, first time I'm saying it on Maga Monday about this tour, I mean. Okay, got you got the whole language right here. actually this is serious if you live in the south like anywhere in the south we're coming your way in October it's big we have three stops and we're calling the good fight tour and we have tickets now available you can go to bulwark.com slash events to buy your tickets this is all happening between

October 16th and October 20th I'm about to give you the dates but just one more time bulwark dot com slash events to get your tickets will's going to be joining us for one of these days So here it is. Me, JVL, Sarah, Tim. We're going to be in Columbia, South Carolina on October 16th. That's the one that Will is joining. So we're going to be doing a trio tape in there. I'm pretty sure, right?

Yep, that's right. Okay. And look, you know, I saved the craziest trio stuff for the live show. You had a crazy trio story the last time we did it. We had when we were in San Diego, I unveiled Bertaria, the secret, the Bertaria community. it changed San Diego forever, and the same will happen in Columbia, South Carolina.

Oh, shit. Okay. You're saving up a story. So again, Will's going to be at Columbia, South Carolina. That's October 16th. After that, we have Charlotte, North Carolina on October 18th.

We're going to have a good guess there, folks. Hint, hint. And then we have Atlanta, Georgia. On the 20th, to wrap things up, it's going to be a big old, big old event. Excited for that, like a grand opera event. A lot of bulwark people there. All right.

One more time, go to bulwark.com slash events to get tickets and come see these bullwork personalities and friends in your city. Or if you're not that far away, come drive. We've had people go hours, hours to see events, which is pretty amazing. We have a great community the best. All right, buddy, we did it again. We made through another Maga Monday. We won't, are we have next one's Labor Day.

We haven't really decided what to do about that. Well, I'm around. I'm not going anywhere. I'm not around. I'm in my in-laws. So I got to, we got to think about how we're going to handle that one. We might have to push the Maga Monday back. We'll do our best to let folks know.

We'll let you know in one of Will's newsletters. Okay. We're going to let you know in one of those newsletters when the next Maga Monday is coming. Until then, we'll talk to you guys later. Will, have going. Thanks, everyone.