Bulwark Takes - MAGA Mondays: Max Miller is Facing a Right Wing Backlash

Episode Date: August 3, 2026

Will Sommer, Sam Stein and Andrew Egger went live to cover the growing calls on the right for GOP Rep. Max Miller to resign, whether Jeanine Pirro will be fired over the botched Reflecting Pool case, Tucker speaking with foreign agents, and the audience collapse among right-wing MAGA media figures.Right now, Larineco is offering up to 50% off at https://buylarine.com/BULWARKTAKES

Morning everybody. It's me, Sam Stey, Man, you got out of the Borg with Andrew Egger, guest contributor to Magumundays and Will Summer. They'll let anybody in here. Yeah, I know. Standards have gone really loved. It's a pleasure to be with you guys. It's Monday, August 3rd, and I am fresh off of travel hell. I know Will Summer really wants to get into my travel karma, but I was in Maine this morning after an 11-hour delay that, ended up in a cancellation, woke up at 4.30 a.m. to get on a 6 a.m. flight. So I'm a little tired.

And I have not been keeping up with what's going on on the internet. So Will, you're going have to really guide me. Andrew, you're going to have to really guide us too. But I did see, or was fortunate enough to see, I suppose, Max Miller. And I know Andrew talked about this a little bit yesterday on video, but I was blown away by how creepy the entire thing was. And frankly, like, if you watch that and you're like, yeah, this guy should be in Congress, I'm a little bit confused at what kind of conclusion you've drawn from it. But what I didn't get Will was what the right-wing internet reaction to this was. So what has it been? Yeah, I mean, the one thing I want to say about the Maxwell thing as we dive in here is I went through a lot of the drop box. I've

evaluated the evidence. And it's going through it and you're like if I was a judge deciding should this guy get to see his kid every other weekend? I might have a hard decision to make. But if you're like, should this guy be in Congress? The answer is obviously not. You know, the we're starting to see, and Andrew and I kind of pointed at this in our video yesterday, that as Bernie Moreno, the senator and his former father-in-law, as he wades in, Republicans are starting, and they're like, wait a minute, this is a battleground seat, maybe. It's starting to get a little more like, you got to go, man, you know, we got about a week to get rid of you. So we're starting to see I saw Seth Mandel, conservative commentator saying, you know, I have to say the preponderance

of the evidence appears to be going against Max Miller. Matt Gates. Now, I will say, Matt Gates, he's got a lot of feuds. And I feel like maybe he's like Max Miller, you know, didn't support Matt Gates's sex shenanigans or whatever back in the day. But Matt Gates was just posted some of the audio and he said, a little weird, little weird things going on here. So I think we're starting to see Max Miller kind of come under some fire. Are we allowed to, do we have the audio that Matt Gates found weird?

I mean, all that was particularly weird, but is there a specific slice that Matt Gates didn't like? Ever had a needle in my bedroom drawer and that is not there. Where are they, Max? Because that's where I found it. Nope. I don't have needles in the house. You can come check. There's never I never put a needle in the door You will send you a picture of it then please do okay, but I understand and the other thing too and I completely agree with you

But the other thing too is eight months prior okay. I want to be clear and having understanding about this I told you I was doing TRT and then I stopped I want to be clear because you acknowledge that and you knew I was TIR2 That stops for my place with it I knew I was doing that I know this for a fact so you've already acknowledged it you already know that that who was going on. And you already know that it has ceased for over seven months. So what you told me was you did it several times and that was it. Correct. Right. So when I found a needle, I had no idea what the fuck it was. I also asked you several times if you were

still doing it and you said no. All right. Let's back up for a second, Andrew. So we jumped right into it and I suppose the listeners and the viewers may need a little bit of a refresher. Max Miller is a congressman from a relative safe Republican district in Ohio? I mean, it's not like totally safe now. Plus five. Yeah, I mean, it's, I don't know. It's not that safe.

Okay, I take it back. He is embroiled in this controversy scandal, chaos with his ex-wife, who's Senator Bernie Marino's daughter. He's accused of basically everything. He's accused of throwing hot water, boiling water at his ex-wife of hurting his little girl fracturing her or one of her bones or did it was a fracture was a break i forget what it was um physical psychological torture basically and he's been he's also an ex-trump uh aid and so he's got the backing of the president matt gage there played a video of it and and he released just one second

he was so this has been building up and and max miller decided he was going to finally speak out about it said oh this is all nonsense all these allegations against me are wrong this is a bitter divorce and a custody battle. And as proof, I'm going to release all this evidence. And he put out a drop box. It didn't particularly go well. He had to put it down, put it back up. And this is the stuff that was Will was combing through

and that Matt Gates found so strange, including the testosterone replacement therapy. Okay, that's the backstory. Andrew. Yeah, just to kind of put a little bit of a finer point on the allegations against him, his ex-wife is one of several women who has accused him of being physically violent and abusive. is it Stephanie Grisham? I'm right about that? The former Trump aide who is who is another one of these, and then there are allegations dating back, you know, to his time in high school and in college. So that is, that is toward women. And this is stuff that these women have come forward to say.

The allegation about his daughter was that there was a child protective services investigation after she went to the hospital with, I believe, a broken collarbone. And there was, there was just a lot of suspicious stuff around that injury to suggest that it might have been abused. I don't think anything ever came of that investigation. Obviously, there were never any criminal charges or anything like that, but it was just another suspicious injury around this guy. A lot of this stuff was reported in a couple of, you know, journalists were looking into it, basically. There was a big Mother Jones piece, a big Politico piece into Max Miller.

But it was all in the realm of, like, media coverage, right? It had not really taken off on X, on social media. And then I think what we have seen since yesterday is that this has been a gigantic own goal. by Max Miller to come forward and kind of put a spotlight on this in a format and, you know, just with a different kind of flavor that makes it more buzzy on social media, where all these Trump people are hanging out and talking. And it has gone badly for him. It has, it has led to Bernie Moreno coming out for the very first time and saying a bunch of remarkable stuff about how abhorrent he finds Max Miller about how he is afraid whenever his granddaughter is in

this guy's custody about how this guy has no business being anywhere close to this to to to Congress. And it also has a lot of these right wing influencers combing through again, some of this same stuff that he himself put out there and being like, whoa, this guy sounds good. Yeah, why did he put it out there? Like that, that doesn't really, I didn't get the strategy there, well. Yeah, I mean, you know, we can show another highlight shortly. But I mean, look, he's an eloquent guy. He's a master of spoken word and video.

So I can understand why he would wait. Or is that, okay. Not at all. Because I just, how would you describe this line up? It's kind of like when we start Maga Monday and it's like unclear whether it's gone live yet. And he's just looking around and he's like, okay, are we live? And then he does like a big step. You know, if you're facing these allegations about maybe drinking too much, maybe I wouldn't be drinking from like a highball glass or whatever.

I mean, it's a lot of weird stuff going on. I mean, it struck me, he has all these excuses. You know, you mentioned the broken collarbone. He says, yeah, I don't know. That was like caused by a seatbelt maybe. classic children. Why did they make the seatbelts like that? So they're always breaking kids collarbows. And then, you know, then he says at one point he's like, because there's this allegation that he like threw hot water on his wife. And he says, that was horse play. We were goofing off in the kitchen. But then when you listen to the audio, he's like, I told you not to get near me.

That's the audio he put out. He's like, don't get near me. And he's like, it just left a red mark. Put the, let's play, let's play the psychologist part because it's kind of funny. But I also just want to actually keep up the picture of it because there's There's a lot to dissect about the choices Miller made in this setting. Or appointed parenting coordinator, and please listen to this. Is a psychologicalist, psychologist? Okay. So just leave that for saying, did they not, I guess they didn't edit this video because you would take that out, right? It's weird.

It's supposed to be live, but you can, you know, you can record a video and then be like, we're live. You know, it was a little surprising to me that he actually would really like taking it off. Yeah, that's what I was wondering if he's like, we're going to go live at 11, but it's just really him in a recorded video. That would have been a better, a better choice there. He just, the setting is so, I don't know, it jumps out of me. He's a little contrived, obviously. The kids are all around. People who are listening, and I was told, actually ran into a couple of Maga Monday fans in Maine over the weekend.

But they're like, I can't, I'm listening to the pod, I'm up seeing it. So you got to describe what we're seeing. Anyways, he's sitting in what appears to be his kitchen. He's wearing a golf polo over a white, what looks like a white tea. Over a veneck t shirt. Yeah, a veneck t shirt and a golf over shirt. And he's got like just, I don't know, how would you describe his eyes? His eyes are like, there's like a sadness and intensity somehow, both in those eyes.

And then there's kids aren't plastered right behind him very ubiquitously. And I believe there's a photo of him and Trump. the way over his back right shoulder, him trumping someone else. Anyways, it's like a classic, I'm just a dad hanging out in my kitchen, just got back from a game of golf. I wouldn't throw a wider on my wife type of setting. Yeah, he's saying, I'm just a guy dealing with my crazy ex-wife who has, along with several women since going back to high school, fabricated allegations against me.

That's crazy. Yeah. Andrew, so does he, what's the deadline here? He's got a couple days before he can. can drop out? Yeah, August 10th is, I believe, the deadline for them to call a new special election to replace him in the primary if you were to drop out. It seems like there is a growing permission structure, at least, I don't know if I would call it momentum exactly yet, but the business with Bernie Moreno, the senator coming out and attacking him in such remarkably vivid terms,

has clearly, at least given Republicans who were already leaning toward thinking this guy was bad news, has given them a permission structure to really start saying that out loud without having to, you know, ally with the fake news media or the Democrats and aid and abet the enemy by saying that this obvious lunatic maybe should not be in Congress going forward. Maybe should not be. Yeah. Well, I don't, I don't know. Do you think he'll drop out?

I didn't. There's no indication from the video that he has any desire to do that. One thing I want to flag is that there's already challengers or replacements waiting. Oh, God. Talk about this guy. What's his name? The challenger, the potential right-wing challenger? J.R.

Majuski, who is a hardcore Q-Anon believer who ran against, I believe your name is Marcy Kaptor. Elsewhere in Ohio, he once he cut a Q and a Q into his lawn with a lawnmower. and so you could see it from an airplane. And so this guy, you know, he's run to great defeat in the past, but he is volunteered. He's ready. He was a real character in the last cycle. I forget what else happened that was like deeply problematic with this candidacy, but he got toasted.

Like it wasn't even close. Yeah. It'd be far as five. Just to say it again. Can you imagine if they're like, yeah, thanks. We won't need you on this one, JR. I feel like if you're at the Mike Johnson pack when you're watching this, Max Miller video. It's kind of like how I felt when Biden in the debate was like,

and we're going to destroy Medicare. It's like, no, fuck, no. Jared Majewski, this is from the AP in 2022. Campaign for Northwestern Ohio congressional seat, Republican J.R. Majuski presents himself as an Air Force combat veteran who deployed to Afghanistan after 9-11 terrorist attacks, once describing tough conditions, including a lack of running water that forced him to go more than 40 days without a shower. military documents obtained by the associate press though through public records request tell a different story they indicate majuski never deployed to afghanistan but instead completed a six-month stint helping to load planes at an air base in cutter this guy's this guy's this is so much this is so much like uh that that texas race where it was tony gonzalez right who had that horrible horrible personal scandal with his staffer and like he put off resigning and put off resigning until it became totally untenable finally he resigns it's like oh who's waiting in the wings brandon herrera the craziest MAGA gun YouTuber you've ever seen in your entire life who has like this insane

history of incendiary comments. So it's like, hooray, we got the horrible, you know, sex pest out of here. And this is our reward. Yeah, we got in trouble for talking about Brandon Herrera, Will and I did on one MAGA Monday. We didn't really get in trouble. I mean, we were talking about the gross things he was saying about kids. And I don't want to repeat it. And we had one listener who was like very upset that we used.

His vivid language. That listener was me. I've found that disgusting. You wrote us anonymously from like the email account, Dolores something. Correct. That's my burner. Good to know.

All right, let's move on. I'm actually more excited about this story, which is the reflecting pool story. That also transpired over the weekend. Basic just is, it was all horseshit. Trump lied the entire time about there being a 300-foot yard,

300-yard slit down the middle of it. Everyone knew it was horseshit. Eventually, they're going to have to me it was horseshit. And so it falls to Janine Piro of all people to file motion to dismiss the charges against this Olympian who they had charged for this stupid

made of crime. And then that was not the end of it though. Like they couldn't even let her fall on the sword. Trump had to go on to true social and just berate Jeanine Piro for dropping the charges saying of course it was vandalism.

What are you talking about? And then Doug Bergam, who used to be like, you know, a serious person, he had to go and he put up something. I know we don't have it here. I'll read it. The evidence is clear. Vandals have repeatedly caused damage to the refucking pull. Some of these acts were even caught on camera.

We also provided the U.S. Attorney's Office expert in eyewitness testimony to the damage done by Vandals, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. So it's a mess. And, well, I mean, I don't feel bad at all for Gene Pior because she ruined this dude's life. Like, she ruined this Olympians' life. Well, not ruined his life, but she caused him pretty big harm.

But can she survive this? Like, how do you go through this and come out the other side staying as U.S. Attorney? You know, I think it's, I think she might make it through. I mean, I think if it was kind of some random person who was U.S. attorney, they might not. Not Judge Gene. Yeah, I mean, look, she's a survivor. I mean, she's, she botched the, you know, the jinx prosecution, whatever. She's been here before.

I mean, the, I think, on the other hand, this is one of these classic instances where you end up with, like, Trump versus the facts. And you just have to acknowledge at some point, it's like, I'm sure her U.S. attorneys were like, our assistant U.S. attorneys were like, we could get disbarred. Like we're going to have to like, covering up information. We're inventing a crime. And so at some point they had to say, all right, you know what, we kind of got to let this go. But it is interesting me that Doug Bergam was like, we provided all the evidence of the awful vandalism, which by the way, obviously we can't show anyone else.

It's so real. We could only give it to Janine and I guess she botched it. Well, and Piero's filing too. I mean, it really did throw the. interior department under the bus. It explicitly said, you know, we did not get a complete picture of the state that the reflecting pool bottom was in before any of these so-called vandals showed up. And knowing what we now know about how it was just a botched application process, we would

not, I mean, it's really funny the way they phrase it because they're like, you know, we can't even really argue in good conscience that these people did did this damage, let alone be able to prove it beyond a reasonable doubt. because the liner was just already pulling away, like everybody knew from the very beginning. So, yeah, I mean, she kind of threw Bergam under the bus there. But that's, like, okay, fair enough. She did throw him under the bus. Well, yeah, I was going to say, what's the alternative?

It's like, oh, man, we just absolutely fabricated everything. Like, we just totally made everything up. No, she had to be like, we were giving fault, faulty information. I was going to do my second Biden reference, this whole thing like, you know, They just refuse to show us the vandalism that they've caught repeatedly. It's like that whole thing where Biden is just so sharp, dumbass coming out of this. This guy was like a respected business leader and a governor of a state.

And he's been, not only he's been reduced to tell him like stupid lies about the reflecting pool, but it feels like the entirety of his job is just going around D.C. and doing renovation projects. He's the Interior Secretary. I think he got addicted to that America 250 clout. I mean, I feel like he was on stage so much at like, you know, these awful concerts.

or whatever and he's just like, I'm the star. You know, I got to stick with Trump. You know, one thing I want to flag here is that after the America 250 thing, remember the FBI had an evidence response team out there investigating the pool. So, you know, is cash going to get pulled into this? What's their proof? I haven't really heard from Cash about this, to be honest with you. He's laying low, I think, which is a smart idea.

The other thing is there were like some media figures who were involved in promoting this. I mean, Brian Steltered has a thing out this morning saying, what's up with when Jesse Waters was like, here's the proof of the vandals, you know? And obviously the real star of the Reflecting Pool saga was, of course, Emily Miller, the running reporter, conservative reporter who would say, here's my damning video about the vandalism. And then it would be sort of like a fever dream of images that really didn't prove anything. And, you know, now she's insisting, you know, the proof is out there. It's just kind of... Well, let's play here, because this is her talking about the vandalism and gives you a sense of the type of reporting and reputational stakes she put on this.

Trump has been telling the public about the very serious vandalism that happened here at the reflecting pool on June 8. While I've known about it since the morning of June 9 when it was discovered, it was only yesterday that I got the visual evidence that I need to prove the serious vandalism had happened with the knife right here. This audio really puts it over. So she's just violent, Trump, violent. What is the Trump colon violent have anything? what are those pegs that she's pointing to those are supposed to like fence posts that were thrown into i mean i remember god i think my favorite emily miller video was when they had the fence up around it and some guy jumped the fence to like retrieve a soccer ball and she was like you can't be doing that

they won't even let me near the pool it's a weird she had kind of like she's defended herself though people have been calling her out about this being like will you just acknowledge that you made everything up and she's like no no different vandalism you got it all wrong i was wasn't talking about the Olympian, David Huron. It's someone else I was talking about. So she's not backing down. There's a lot of timeline issues with the people who believe in the vandalism. Like they just won't lay out a timeline because they'll show some video and it's like someone dipping their hands in the water. And it's like, yeah, this is pretty much when we assume someone cut a 40 foot gas. It's not a 40 foot cash. It's a 300 foot cash. It's gotten so big. How did someone go through the pool just cutting a gash for what is the length of a football field?

And it was never caught on tape. And they escaped. You know, one thing that struck me is, I don't think they've ever caught the people who did 8647 in the grass. They have not. Right? Which is kind of weird,

because, you know, if you look at the video from the Washington Monument, it was like a dozen people or something. I mean, can people really do that? Then just get away with it? I don't know. I like how Trump's posts repeatedly suggest that it's the same people,

the same person or a group of people who did the reflecting pool damage and the 8647. I mean, he keeps saying, he keeps saying, I can't believe that anybody would suggest there wasn't any vandalism of the reflecting pool. Didn't they see what these guys did to the grass?

It's like, well, yeah, that was a different thing. That one happened. That one's on camera, you know? That one did happen, and it does raise a question why nothing has happened with that. That one's pretty prosecutable. I feel like there's got to be some cameras on the mall, right? Like, that seems pretty obvious. There's a 24-hour lives.

I mean, it's from the top of the Washington monuments. You're not going to get faces, but you would think you could stitch it together. What's cash doing? Where is he? Come on, get these guys. What if it was Comey? It was just walking the grass. It was Comey.

Walking the grass. Just killing his time. Going to write it on the grass. Okay. So what's going to happen with the reflecting pool? Is it ever going to open again? It's going to open, right? They just need to redo repairs.

Do we have the status of the repairs? Can they do? Do we know how to do repairs anymore? Have we lost the art of having a working reflecting pool? I don't know. How hard is it to do these? It actually is quite hard. It's a big pool.

And clearly they botched it. That's the other thing. In the purefiling, she does say, like, she admits it was botched, right? Like, that's kind of problematic for Trump. I don't know. I don't know if she lasts. How can you last?

He's throwing her under the bus. And, you know, at this point also, you add in, she messed up the sandwich guy, you know, all these things that are kind of Trump priorities. You know, he had to farm out the grand jury, you know, to Joe DeGeneba down in Florida of his real enemies. You know, it's a whole, I think it's back to Fox News. All right. Let's take a quick break from our sponsors on the flip side. we will continue Magamunday with a few things on Trump Insider Trading,

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I'm learning a lot. All right, let's talk about Trump Insider Trading. This isn't even like a Maga Monday topic because this is just so outwardly corrupt. The only reason I'm talking about it in the Maga Monday context is that there are actually people out there who are like appalled by this. So Trump media, we all knew this was coming. They were going to do this data service deal where you could pay for early access to Trump truth so that you could basically. you know, get a heads up when he's going to make some market moving bleat, I guess. And so I now the reports are that they're going to charge $100,000 for this.

Is that right? A month, a month. A month. That's right. That's bad. Pocket change. That's crazy. So you can get a deal on it.

60,000 a month if you, if you prepay. So it's not so bad. Yeah. Should we do it? Can you imagine? Hey, guys, who's Trump's tweet in two minutes? Sarah Longwell, hey, we just kind of need this. We need early access.

If we're going to bet, you know, we need the access. No, that's a lot of money. It seems outwardly corrupt. I don't think there's any defense of it, but has anyone mustered a defense will? You know, I haven't seen, I feel like more and more with the Trump corruption stuff. We're seeing a kind of like looking away. I mean, we've kind of seen this all the time. But like, they're just like, I mean, you know, Benny Johnson doesn't have to engage with this.

If he doesn't, you know, people aren't like, defend this. So, you know, we are seeing, though, I think from the more business-minded Trump world people, there's a little bit of like, you know, because a lot of this is related to markets and like kind of insider trading type stuff. So they're seeing a little like, don't mess with the money, man, you know. I think this is like one they recognize as a bad thing because it relates to markets and money. It's pretty gross. I mean, there's no, it's just straight up inside of trading, right, Andrew? I'm missing something. It's extraordinarily gross, right?

I mean, it's crazy, even to begin with, that we have so much U.S. government policy that gets rolled out first on this website that the president owns and profits from. It's the only thing that gives this website any value. So there's already a little bit of rent seeking to that, right? And now the idea that we're going to gate it behind a paywall and that if you just give the president personally hundreds of thousands of dollars, you get to be the first one who knows what the U.S. government is up to about any given thing. at any given time. I mean, it's any way you slice it. It's like one of the craziest things that you ever seen. It's like, we just did the anti-weaponization fund, which has now gotten

canceled. And like that was, that was insane. How? Do you think that wasn't? Well, we've had some action on that. It seems like it's more canceled than it was yesterday. But, but, but, even that was just going to J-6ers, right? I mean, this is just straight into the president's own pocket by design and by their own admittance. Their own rollout of this is like, get access to the most market-moving truths before anybody else can. How do you think the conversation went, Andrew, behind deciding to do this? Because I envision of something like this.

It's probably like Trump and Devin Nunes and somebody like, you know, everyone's accusing us of insider trading because of all this market activity. And, you know, everyone's like hitting us like that we're telling people, like, we're going to announce this potential ceasefire. And what if we just monetize that? Like, why don't we just make money? on the fact that we have this insider information,

and then we could actually, you know, just make even more money. Yeah, yeah, it can't be insider training if they offer it to everybody, right? I mean, but that's like it's, that's it's, that's the trick of it is a lot of people are going to have to pony up for this, right? JVL's been writing about this. I mean, it is, it is really going to be like an indispensable service for as long as this status quo persists of Donald Trump making these crazy announcements that create and wipe away trillions of dollars in market, cap with a random post on truth social, right? Like, you'd have to be crazy to run any kind of financial firm and not pony up for this. So it's what Catherine Rompels said. She's like, it's dropping the

bucket for these big, big, big firms, right? And so it almost becomes less of an insider trading thing because everybody's on the inside and more of just Donald Trump skimming off the top of like the entire financial system, right, in a way that is like completely just like robbing every single individual participant in markets just as much as if you were taking this out of the U.S. treasury. I mean, it's insane. Yeah, but Will, there's going to, there's going to be some poor desk that has to, like, sort through all the AI slop that he posts just for like, you know. Okay, he posted trust the plan, you know, uh, there's this image of him as Jesus. Here's one of him as the emperor of Greenland. Oh, wait. He wants to like, do you think that they saw the teleprompter guy making all these bets on Cal here or whatever? And then they said, we got to get our beque on this on this. We got to get a piece of this. He can't be, he can't be the one. profiting from the insider knowledge, we actually possess it. Let's sell it. I think that's exactly what happened. Maybe not like we saw the telepromp your story, but they learn like everyone else is anyone else who has inside information is using it to make money. But we actually possess it.

We're the originators of the information. So let's just sell it. I mean, that's it. Yeah, I think that's it. I mean, and so yeah, so we saw this venture capitalist, Sean McGuire, among other people, saying, yeah, put it up. Yep. He's saying, I don't support this, moves like this, cheap in Trump's policy wins, of which there have been many? No, he didn't add the skepticism there. But, yeah, basically, we're seeing him and some other people. Jason Callicanakis said Trump was getting bad advice. I hate it when the president gets bad advice.

Yeah. He has no agency whatsoever. Seems like pretty good advice for him. He's going to make millions and millions and millions of dollars for doing nothing. Yeah. Here's the thing. It's like if people want, you know, inside information from the bulwark, I'm willing to offer a service for people if they want to Venmo me, like a couple bucks for my tweets.

No, you should just subscribe to the bulwark anyway. You can read Sam's conversations with Katie Miller on X.com, whole milliseconds before the rest of the world gets to do. You got a little salty about the fact that I was talking with her online. Why? Were you upset? actually getting into this. No, you always tell us, save it for, you know, don't give that money to Elon. Save it for content. Go on YouTube. What I mean by that is that if you have like a little scoop or something, you shouldn't just

post it on Twitter. You should post on the bark and then we could send it out. I'm not like, all I'm doing is engaging Katie Miller in a conversation online. She wasn't going to email me. It just happened. I don't know why she responds to me on Twitter. The backstory here, folks, is Katie Miller was exposed as having been cozying up to Anthony Fauci during the pandemic, getting a lot of advice from him. She was nervous. She was pregnant. They were buts.

He was helping her. Yeah, there were butts. He was helping her get through a very difficult time in our country's history and a difficult time for her. And now she wants him in her diary. That she had this old relationship with him. And so I was kind of curious what the new one was like? But she posted, what was it?

Like, I was just doing this to keep my enemies closer or something insane. Keep your friends close and your enemies apprised of the status of your pregnancy. Yeah. I was like that seems like an extraordinary, you know, bank shot movie you're doing there, Katie. She never actually wear a mask and she's like, this sick of this is going to start with there. There was one part in their exchange where she's like, he told my husband to leave me. And I, and at first was like, wait, what?

But what she meant was he got. He had COVID. He got COVID. And so he advised Stephen Miller to leave the house. But the tweet made it seem like he advised Stephen Miller to divorce. I was like, that's insane. What is why'd she doing? Anyways, that was a fun exchange.

I'm sorry, you were right, Andrew. I should have saved her for the bull. Now, that one was good. I take it all back. Hey, PAC, 1966, Stein is the worst bully of a boss. I'm not. I'm really not. Every episode, even like, there's just like, someone's just like, this man is twisted.

This is a deprae bludity. Andrew and Will, blink twice if you're being abused, you know. Okay. Oh my God, Auntie Lou says from an HR perspective, interesting conversation, Sam. I don't know if she's directing that at me, but I don't know. Okay. I'm going to be nicer. Sorry. Sorry, guys. There are so many better moments to bring this. I know. I feel like we were bonding, too. All right. A couple more. What's this Tucker thing? So this, now I'm in territory where I have not. Yeah, so this is the part of the dock where Will's just up at like one a.m. Just be like, then I want to talk about it. Okay. So here's the deal. So one of my favorite. characters in the MAGA universe is Elizabeth Lane, a woman from the Republic of Georgia, who I feel there's a lot of compelling evidence is a Russian agent or, you know, very sympathetic

to the Russian government. She's kind of a C-Las MAGA person as well. She's very tight with Candace and Tucker. She has been promoted by them relentlessly, even when she had like an infantensible audience, which given Tucker and Candace's closeness with the Russian government, raises some interesting theories for me. Most importantly, this woman dated a guy who's a parent officer in the FSB, the Russian secret intelligence, and a Spetsnass officer, so like a, like a commando, has been involved with like African Wagner, you know, schemes. So basically a guy who's like clearly like a Russian intelligence officer. So she goes on Tucker now this week. And Tucker is like, look, some people are saying you're a Russian intel operative. I don't really care. Maybe you are. Let's

hear what you have to say. Let's play that clip. You have been accused of being a foreign intel operative, right? Which you deny. Of course. I just want to say out loud, I don't care. Because that's not the point. The point is, is the story you're about to tell true or is it not? She denies it.

And by the way, her story is not true. The stories you're about to tell. Like, it's all just her being like, there are these. people on Twitter who say I'm a Russian intelligence agent. Bro, if you ask a Russian intelligence agent, if they're a Russian intelligence agent, they have to tell you. If you ask them, they have to let you know. And she says it in the most half-hearted way. He's like, are you listening to Vladimir Putin? She's like, no.

It was so non-convincing. Of course I'm not. When they talk about her Russian intelligence boyfriend, and Tucker is like, you told me about this guy and you said he was a good guy. Like, you, it sounded you're allowed to date people. And she's like, it was, he was a muscular intelligence agent. You know, like, she doesn't quite say he's a, she says he's a former military man. It's very weird. And like, obviously, I have a great passion for Russian infiltration of right way media.

But it is just comical to me how you have this lady who's like, I think, like, has these really extensive documented ties. And yet these guys keep putting her on in a way that is like promoting her. And it makes you wonder what's up with Tucker and Candice. very interesting. What is the status of Tucker right now? I will know in the comments, people are like, man, haven't heard that name in a little while. It does feel like he's kind of receded a touch. Yeah, you know, he had some moment that I was looking at. I feel like a week or two ago he had something. But, you know, it's the summer. You know, he's up in Maine, not unlike you, Sam. You know, he's

going to look them up. Yeah, you know, you could have gone to the cabin. I do think Tucker's losing his fastball a little bit. I mean, his great skill was that he could, even after he left Fox, he kind of straddled this world where he could hang out with Candace, he could hang out with Nick Fuentes. But also, he was getting invited to the Turning Point Conventions. He was still kind of a Trump world figure. He was going to the White House. But I feel like, I guess after the Iran war, and he's kind of been pushed more into the oppositional camp. Did you guys see that picture of him and Marjorie Taylor Green and Joe Kent and Thomas Massey? And that was strange. Like, they're like planting some flag. Like, we're coming to take over the right.

So watch out. Yes, yes. And Laura Lumer was there was a wine glass near Tucker, and she's like, Tucker's not supposed to drink. He's out of control alcoholic. And then if you look at the picture, it's like, well, it's kind of clearly someone else's glass, I guess. Classic glimmer. I did see that mess he met with Mike Flynn. What was that?

Did you guys see that one? Yeah. I think, I think Massey, you know, he's sort of losing his, you know, lips loved him in the old summer of 2025. Is this Tucker's cabin? Sort of looks like it. Yeah, there's. Definitely. Brian Glenn, newly married to Marjorie Taylor Green.

You know, Marjorie Taylor Green, we haven't talked about this on Maga Monday. Obviously, they got married at Vegas two weekends ago. Wait, Will, before we get there, who are these people? The front left. Who is this woman? Front left is Massey's new wife, I think. Okay. And then Brian Glenn, former.

Brian and Marjorie. Yeah, her husband, Marjorie Taylor Green. We got Tucker at the head of the table. Joe Kent. I guess Joe Kent's wife? I don't know. I think that's right. Yeah.

Have Massey. All right. Three married couples and Tucker Carlson. I don't see the wine glass. Oh, I see the wine glass. That's not Tucker's. That's clearly Marjorie Chalers or Brian Glens. Okay.

Marjorie is the only person drinking wine at this table, as far as I can tell. Let's go. They look like they're drinking hot chocolate. What's the mugs? Why do they all mugs? I think those are Tucker branded mugs. That's just like here at the bulwark, you know, when we drink our branded mugs. It looks like they had fun.

I guess. That's a cool chandelier. I like that. Very cool, chandel. A lot of antlers on it. Just looking around, just looking around, there's a duck up there. There's a bunch of rifles. I do not actually think these guys are going to stage a hostile takeover of the Republican Party.

I guess it's possible. There's going to be a power vacuum after Trump. But I think, I don't know. I'm not sure they have to choose. It reminds me. And someone pointed this out because there's a story about Elon deciding to donate 100 million. dollars for Republicans in the midterms the cycle. But like 12 months ago, Elon was going to start the, was it the America Party or American

party? I forget which one was. He's like, I'm done. I'm starting this fresh party. Now he's just, you know, back on the reservation. I just feel like more or less, maybe Tom Massey's or I don't know, maybe Marjorie Taylor Green would do something like that. But I don't think it gets very far.

Yeah, I think that's right. I mean, who knows what this crew cooking up? Maybe, I mean, Joe Kent, obviously is big Charlie Kirk truther. Maybe they're cooking up a defense for Tyler Ross. Robinson, who knows. Okay. All right. Let's close us out with my favorite topic, Trump and golf. The man is a bona fide cheater. Absolutely a bona fide cheater. There's no doubt about it. There's a lot of evidence of it. There's video evidence of it. Rick Riley, the famous sports writer has written extensively about this man cheating. He cheats all the time. Trump won, what was it,

his 43rd, 40th. Do you remember what it was? I'll try to find the actual post. He run his four, there it is. Okay, that's the second post. So he claims to have won the senior change. championship at Ben Minister Golf Club this weekend. He says he shot a 70. This would be, I think, his 43rd title. I don't know if that's true. It's pretty remarkable. There happened to be all tournaments played at his club, and he's a cheater.

You got to read that post, though. That post is free. The winning shot in the Ben Minister Club Championship, he includes a video of it. Thank you very much to all of those who participated. I won with the score of 70. and I'm so honored in that, unlike the rest of the field, I'm given very little time to practice because I'm focused on many other things. It's called talent, and I have it, and they don't.

Just shitting on the members of his own club, unbelievable. Just some random other old guys. He's just like, a bunch of losers, I'm running the world, and you guys can't get a 70. Wow. I barely got time on the range, and these old hacks couldn't even do it. Oh, my God. So good. I will say the shot he did post was a very nice shot,

but there is no way that he shot a 70. He's 80 years old. 70 would be like incredibly good, right? So yeah, basically it's, I'm assuming it's a par 72 course. That means he was two under for the whole round, which you got to be like, I mean, at 80 years old,

that's just absolutely insane. Like, not going to happen. I wish we could pull up the video of the caddy. Do you remember that video where the caddy just dropped the boss? could hit it. That was the best. The guy cheats. And he thought, you guys don't play golf, so you don't care. No, no. I'm not. I'm waiting

for Trump to rehab East Potomac. Then there will be a course worthy of my talents. I will say the worst performing Maga Monday we ever did was when you talked about the East Potomac golf course renovations. Like, negative reviews. It was awful. I guess the Bollock community doesn't care for this

stuff. You know, Sam, I know you said this was the last item. I would also like to talk about Vivek, getting booed at the Young Americans for Liberty Conference. Yeah. So, of course, folks remember Vivek Ramoswami currently running for governor of Ohio. He appeared at a young Americans for Liberties. It's sort of a more libertarian-minded group at their national convention in Ohio. And he got booed off the stage. And I think his speech was supposed to be like 45 minutes. And after 12 minutes, he was like, whatever, I'm out of here. Let's play that clip.

The matter is, you know, no matter what happens in whichever direction we go, people my generation have already made. We're going to be fine. It's going to be your generation on the face of the United States. You're a political cretan, and you need to get them out of here. Does they call him a political cretan?

You're a political cretan. So I watched this full 12-minute speech, and, you know, the crowd did not like Vivek. You know, about half of them were with him, I guess. and half we're heckling him, which is not a good ratio if you're trying to give a speech. And so, you know, ultimately he did obviously give up.

Who are the hecklers? It's a little unclear. I mean, I, I, obviously it's a dark room or whatever. I mean, the young Americas for Liberty people, they said, you know, actually, we love Vivek, like the national organization. I think what's going on here,

it's obviously a lot of racism. But basically, Vivek has been dogged for a while by this. He has this very like up by your bootstrap. thing that I don't think plays number one very well in Ohio. It's kind of like before J.D. Vance made his pivot from being like, you know, these rednecks, it's all their own fault. Then he's like, it's not their fault, actually. It's Yale's fault or whatever. So, you know, the, he's still doing this thing where it's just like, if you're a

loser, that's kind of your own fault. His whole speech was about that. And, you know, that made people mad when he says people of my generation, so people like late 30s, early 40s, millennials, like, you know, they're fine. That obviously incensed people. I also like that he did an ad where he played it where he's just hitting a bunch of tennis balls as if that was like a very relatable thing for people. There are some real policy splits here too. I mean, there's a couple things that have really like become like shorthand for all the stuff Will's talking about right now.

Like, you know, the real nativists want to get rid of H-1B visas. So you can't bring in high-skilled foreign workers, Vivek is, you know, anti-getting rid of those visas, things like that. It's kind of like a funny little psychodrama. that he is a young candidate, but I, but obviously kind of an elder millennial, right? And, and so when he says my generation's doing fine, he means mine as opposed to yours, you people out in the audience, but they all kind of seem to take that as like, what do you mean? We're all doing fine, right? Fuck you, Vivek. I'm at the Young Americans for Liberty Conference. My life's

in the pits. How old do you think Vivek is? I think 40, 41. That sounds right. Yeah. You're 40. Young for me. Old soul. Old soul. He presents old, I will say. He does present golds. And he has such an interesting backstory because he went kind of like straight from college into like finance world and then straight from that into founding like this weird like biotech company that was finance adjacent that was all about sort of pitching venture capitalists on these these drugs. And he didn't necessarily make a lot of important contributions in the field of medicine. somebody did make a lot of money and then immediately parlayed that into this political career. So he has had this, you know, high-flying life that I think a lot of people are a little bit pre-primed to say,

you know, my generation's doing great. It's been, it's been easy for me, at least. I've worked pretty hard and done pretty well for myself. And be like, well, your path is not one that is necessarily like median, right? Yeah, but Will, how much of this is like that versus just straight up this dude's not white? Yeah. I mean, I think it's a lot of that. I mean, I think it's a lot of racism. I will say, like, I think if you had a white guy up there, I think maybe they wouldn't love it, but, but I think it wouldn't be

met with that reaction. I do think there's also like, oh, just over the past few years, I think the right has really started to hate Indian immigrants. And, and that has seen, you know, in Texas, we've seen, like, a big rise in that as well. So I think that is just sort of like, if we're watching how it trends on the right, I think that's a big part of it. It's fascinating. I've been trying to get Andrew to go out to Ohio follow the vague, but they won't respond. They won't even like allow you to tag along or tell you where he's doing. The timing has been bad.

I should get out there though. Maybe I still. Yeah, I found a group of 30-year-old slackers I'm going to go yell at. Come on, right along. It would have been great if you were at the Young Americans conference and you witnessed that. That one would not have been a public event, I imagine. They have been running a very conservative media strategy, talking to a lot of friendly audiences and then showing up at a few state fairs.

But it's totally unlike his presidential campaign a few years ago where it was like, I am this, you know, fringe candidate who's just trying to make a splash. And he would go anywhere and talk to anybody. He invited me. I did a whole ride along on his bus for a couple of days in Iowa during that campaign. This time, he's the Republican nominee for governor, and he just wants to run out the clock and win in a reddish state. So it's much more buttoned down, and they're doing a lot less talking to press.

Unclearful work, honestly. Honestly. I mean, like, it's a weird, it's a weird cycle. And then you got like, I don't think Max Miller was going to matter for his race, but it doesn't help with the turnout. So there's that. Oh, I see. Sorry, I see we have a couple more topics we've got to get to. Well, we don't have to get to them.

But there is something about the griperization of GOP staffers, which I do think is related to this. So political has that story about how just basically there's grippers all over the place. Yeah, this article is GOP staffers say the party has a griper problem. This is a recurring issue we touch on here at Maga Monday. Basically, that the pipeline for GOP staffers. is all gropefied. It's either Nick Fuente's fans or people who are otherwise racist and anti-Semitic.

You know, one thing that really struck me in this article, you want to talk about how gropefied the young GOP is? In this article, they interview the head of the group called the College Republicans of America who said, there's not a griper problem, man. Don't worry about it. Now that guy, there's a couple of different factions of the College Republicans of America.

That's the Grooper version. Their political director is a guy named Kai Schwermer, who's tight with names. McFuentes. And like, it's so crazy. I kind of wish good article. I wish political had noted that. That's like, that's like really like they're like turning the shades down. They're like, no griper's in here. Do you think it's like, I mean, it seems from the outside like that this is true, like that the, the groupers are kind of infiltrating. We're constantly facing these, you know, racist young Republican

leaks. We know the New York magazine just had an article two weeks ago about the New York Young Republicans Club. I think they're one of their officers had this, you know, bigoted Twitter account. You know, this is something that keeps coming up for the right, and I don't think it's an accident. Yeah, but I don't know a single young Republican staffer who would dispute this. I think it's a known fact among the actual young Republicans, and there are a lot of older Republicans who are still, you know, burying their heads in the sand about all of this, but it is a genuine and a growing problem as far as the actual professional Republican Party's

concerned. Is that true on the Hill, too? Or is that just like King's in. I mean, I think, look, you know, I mean, certainly maybe not the Hill, but, you know, we saw the um there was that article about the drama at the heritage foundation where some guy quit and he was like i'm just tired of debating who the bad guys were in world war two you know give me a break here one thing about the hill this article sparked uh you know representative victoria sparts to tweet she was like i wouldn't say the issue is so much griperification as it is the baseline level of confidence

of republican hill staffers and it's like can you imagine being in her office and be like what yeah it's the same thing though right i mean it's the same problem you have you have all of the old pipelines for like bringing new people in that used to be like come work on conservative policy and following the footsteps of Ronald Reagan and we're gonna we're gonna you know change America with with this vision that we have and that is all completely gone and it's just like march in you know goose step to Trump content all day long at every step in sort of like the professional pipelines up to getting here is just a completely different group of people and they are less competent and more racist and more insane yeah but for this is not like super into

Trump right now. But these are longstanding systemic. It's decades. It's like a decade of all of this that has led to the crop who's now aging into it. So even though the Groypers and all these guys are turning away to a certain extent now, I mean, you still have to deal with all of the people that were in high school or we're in college or now we're interns and are now young, young staffers all through the movement. Sorry, well, you're going to say something?

Oh, no, no. I think a lot of Groyper is coming up. Oh, God. Okay. Last but not at least, collapse of maga media. I was a little bit surprised by that one. New York Times had an interesting article about how people, ranging from Candace Owens to Benny Johnson, kind of all across the political spectrum of the right, are seeing their numbers really fall year to year here. We can look at the chart here.

You can see these, this is sort of a combination of 12 right-wing influencers, and they are down, down, down, compared to March 2025, let's say their views on X are like a quarter of what they were a year ago or 14 months ago. I mean, these people are in the doldrums, Benny Johnson, Tucker, all these people all over the place. You know, there's, I'd be very curious. I want to dive more into these numbers

because obviously I follow all this stuff a lot. The X one is kind of the most interesting thing to me. I don't really understand that. because it's not like the platform's changed much from its algorithm or I mean Elon still owns it. YouTube stuff, yeah, I guess. I don't know. Is this just Paul? It's like, you know, the party in power, their media is going to have some difficulty because it's easier to be oppositional.

You know, there might be something to that. I mean, I think that's certainly part of it. I mean, it is worth noting a lot of these peaks came. If you're looking at podcast listens, the peaks came in like, you know, like September of 2020. I guess there was this sense of, you know, the first couple months of the Trump administration where it was just like, we're going to live forever. You know, America will be MAGA. And then the vibe shift quickly ended. Yeah, the bubble definitely burst.

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So if you're just watching us on YouTube, do that. It's a really great treat for yourself in the dog days of summer. All right, fellas, it's been real. I really like it. We're going to leave with video of Trump cheating at golf. We pulled the video of Trump cheating at golf. Thank goodness. Yes, I know.

The masses were demanding this. Let's just watch his caddy cheat for him. Here we got. Look, there's a Oh, that's great. And I'm just going to hit that. Have you guys not seen that video? I think I've seen it before,

but I kind of like the little alley-up he does. I know. That guy's a pro. Yeah. That's a cat he was cheated many times before. No pause. Just, yeah, I got the ball here. I'm just going to drop it casually.

And that's how you shoot a 70. And when your 43rd straight senior's open championship at your own club all right will andrew see you guys later everyone subscribe to the board as i said thanks for another edition of mega mondays thanks everyone