Bulwark Takes - Manosphere Bros Turn on Trump. Mocked Over Epstein Lies

Episode Date: July 14, 2025

Tim Miller talks about a wave of red-pilled influencer, including Andrew Schulz, begin turning on Trump, calling out his broken promises, warmongering, and ties to Epstein. Former Trump allies are questioning everything from his foreign policy to his authenticity.

Hey everybody, Tim Miller from The Bullwork here. Trouble in Paradise over in the Manosphere. Big Daddy Trump is disappointing some of his little boy toys, particularly Andrew Schultz over at the Flagrant podcast. And I want to go through a couple of these clips because I think they're pretty important. And you know, if you guys have been following us here at The Bullwork, make sure to subscribe to the feed. You've heard me say this before. I care about these guys the most because Trump's political success is built not just on the red-hatted cult people that are going to the rallies that will scream and cheer no matter what he says and does. There's a disturbingly large portion of the country that fits that bill, maybe 30 percent, I don't know, but 30 percent of voting population. But he needed to gain with other groups. And like the main group that he gained with was kind of a cross-racial group of relatively younger men, like basically my age and younger.

And these guys, a lot of these guys, they're anti-establishment, they, you know, they're a little bit of a don't tread on me kind of ethos, there's like a little bit of libertarianism, right? And they saw Trump as kind of this challenged of the status quo. And they bought in. Obviously, I think that was stupid. Obviously, I think that there was like decades of evidence he was a con man. But that said, these guys are, depending on who we're talking about, they range from people that are gettables for the Democrats in the future to, you know, maybe they just kind of go back to being folks that like don't really vote that much. Like Trump

engaged a lot of people that weren't part of the process, which again would be a net plus for Democrats. We want everybody to vote, but you know, better vote for nobody than for a fascist. So anyway, I want to play a couple of these clips. It centers on Epstein. So we're going to get to Epstein in a second. But I want to first play the clip from the Andrew Schultz flagrant podcast that engages more on some other non Epstein related concerns that they have with Trump. I believe when Trump, everything he campaigned on, I believe he wanted to do. And now he's doing the exact opposite thing. I don't know what he's done Yeah, exactly to your point If you tell me I it's easier for me to believe you you wanted to do all these things if any of them were happening

In the way that you said they to that point like there'll be people that like they'll DM me back You see what you see what your boy doing you voted for this. I'm like, I voted for none of this You doing the exact opposite of everything I voted for. I want him to stop the wars, he's funding them. I want him to shrink spending, reduce the budget, he's increasing it. It's like everything that he said he's gonna do except sending immigrants back.

And now he's even flip-flopped on that, which I kinda like. But he's like, oh, well, we kinda need the people working in restaurants and we need our farmers. All right, so this is danger zone. I kind of like but he's like, oh well, we kind of need the people working in restaurants and we need our farmers. It's alright. So This is this is danger zone, right? These guys like you're not following up on what we delivered on you're not giving me what we vote what I voted for, right? Now some of these things like they look like should this guy thought the Trump is gonna cut spending what like where were you?

Trump is never gonna cut spending Okay, does he even actually really care about spending? I find that very hard to believe, but we'll set that aside. The wars, I think, is key. They really did. Trump successfully branded himself as somebody that was not part of the military industrial complex, who was going to get us out of wars, rebranded the Republican Party, I think opened doors to people to vote for Republicans that hadn't in the past because they are disillusioned, particularly folks that are about like a millennial age, disillusioned with what they'd seen in Iraq and Afghanistan. And here are Trumpets. Today, as I'm taping

this, he's announcing that he is actually giving weapons to Ukraine, which I support, by the way. I'm not, I'm just to be 100% clear, I'm not one of these people that was, that was like hoping that Trump stops the wars or whatever. I think the US plays an important role in the world. You're here at the bulwark. All right? I was a neocon two seconds ago. So I think it's great that he's doing the Ukraine stuff. We had a robust conversation about the Iran element

choice here at the bulwark. Israel, we have differing views here at the bulwark. These guys though, they don't want us to be involved with Israel. They don't want us to be giving money to Israel. They don't want us to be bombing Iran. They don't want us to be giving weapons to Ukraine in terms of an audit. And so if you're sitting from their shoes, they got to be looking at this and being like, how is this better than by this feels worse actually than what the Democrats would have done as far as engaging America abroad militarily. So I think that's a legitimate I think we can use that as a tent pole. Foreign policy is legitimate area where these guys in the manosphere feel let down by Trump. And when I would go to turning point USA events and I'd ask young men like what was bringing

them there, kind of no wars was something that came up a lot. This is not like a third or fourth or fifth issue for these guys like spending or whatever. This is something they care about. Trump letting them down right now. That I think is notable. You also hear him mention the immigration stuff, that being the one area where Trump's falling through, they're going through a little bit,

he's falling through a little bit too much for them. I think that's another thing to continue to watch. We've talked about that a lot here. Okay, now I wanna go to Epstein. A couple of different clips, but first from the Schultz podcast, this is great. Free Ghislaine, she has been wrongly imprisoned. She was convicted guilty of something that clearly never happened.

Never happened. After the FBI's incredible research, shout out to Cackeye Cash Patel. That mother-fucker was looking at the documents double time and he was 100% certain that there was no Rico charge. No foul play. No, no, he's a pedophile, but just him, but only him. Thousands of girls, just him. Yeah, the guy's busy.

And that list that they said that they had was a list of one name. Guys, what the hell is going on? We owe a lot of people an apology. This is also important. These guys are mocking Trump, withering mocking on a issue that they have cared about and talked about a lot on their podcast.

That is something that's hard to come back from, right? Like disagreeing, I'm a little disappointed, da da da da. Now they're like, no, I'm mocking you. Fuck you. You are, like, you're trying to make me seem dumb, right? Like you think I'm an idiot, basically. Like, this is Schultz and his bros, like mocking Trump. They're like, fuck you. You think I'm an idiot. I this is Schultz and his bros like mocking Trump like fuck you you think I'm an idiot I'm gonna troll you now you're the fucking idiot if you think you can pull this one over on us so there's nothing to see

here like that tone is to me kind of like the first step towards being like I'm out of here right like I'm not gonna be made to feel like a fool on your behalf. That's, that's not me. That might be some of your guys over the base. That might be Marjorie Taylor Greene. That's not the, that's not us independent thinkers, us heterodox, independent thinkers at the Flagrant podcast. So that I think is important. Similarly, I've got another clip of mocking coming here. And this is Shane Gillis. Shane is basically a lib, I think. He's a lib that liked to make fun of Democrats, right? And had some Trumpy traits or feelings that he talked about. So this guy, so Gilas is maybe like a step over from Schultz as far as you can where they are, you know, politically. That wouldn't be surprising for Gilas to be the first one off the train. But again, just in this tone

of like how they're reacting to the Epstein news, like just watch the way that these guys are just withering in their mockery of Trump over this. That's insane that they're just being like, yeah, no, no, everything was cool, above board, don't worry. It's like Trump dog. Yeah. It's tough not to fucking point some fingers.

Huge question. You got killed while you were president. Yeah. And you were there, you got, I mean, there's so many photos of them chilling. Allegedly hung with his staff. Unless you're the only one with this. To have the cope on Trump's innocent.

The cope is fucking pretty intense. Yeah, he did go to the island and he just hung out with the staff. Dude, the staff said that was the staff 12. There's the thing they were never going to release it. It became apparent. They're not fucking like, oh, those trillionaires who... Did you see him? Somebody brought it up at a meeting and Trump was like, are you guys still talking about Epstein?

It's like, that's crazy. There's so much other stuff going on. I can't believe you're bringing up Epstein. Are you serious? God. Get a life. You guys are obsessed with this shit. What the fuck? No one even cares. Yeah, it's so long ago, the guy killed himself and he was innocent. What the hell? They're probably all sexual blackmailed.

So these guys are taking it the next step, not just mocking Trump, but being like, are you in on it? Like, he got killed when you were president are you in on it um to me you get you're getting to a bad place all right when cash is getting mocked when Trump is getting mocked and these guys are you know putting on tin foil hats when they're accusing Trump of being the person that killed Epstein. If you combine it with the wars, combine it with some of the concerns around immigration and particularly these don't tread on me concerns, like the libertarian concerns about immigration,

these guys are happy with the deportations, but like the way, the manner in which they're going. Throw all those things together, man. And Trump has like put together an administration that does appeal to kind of like the Wall Street Journal, John Thune, Republican Senator crowd, like the old, the boomer Republican chamber of commerce, Wall Street Journal reading Republican who kind of reluctantly voted for Trump. Trump's done some things that they would like, right? I mean, he's doing the tax cuts, Ukraine, but the whole package of stuff, what is he

offering these guys? Like the new guys to his coalition, the people that were kind of like the energy for bringing in new folks to MAGA and getting Trump over the hump. He's alienating them. He's alienating them and they're mocking him. So we are gonna keep watching that. I'm gonna keep trying to engage with folks in this world so stick around for that. Subscribe to the feed. We got so much coming for you. Much happening. I got a little tan going. I'm back in my hole. Stick with us. We'll see you back here soon.