Bulwark Takes - Megyn Kelly is a Deeply Broken Person

Episode Date: November 14, 2025

Tim Miller takes on Megyn Kelly and Batya Ungar-Sargon’s appalling attempt to spin Jefferey Epstein’s 15 and 16-year-old victims as nearly-adults, as they try to manipulate the well-documented accusations in effort to rewrite the story to protect Trump. Watch Tim’s conversation with Stacey Williams

Hey, everybody, it's Tim Miller. The Maga Media is in shambles as they're trying to circle the wagons around Donald Trump following the most recent Jeffrey Epstein revelations. You know, these folks are just grasping for anything to try to defend Trump when even in the most generous interpretation of events, he had wildly inappropriate relationship with the country's most notorious child sex trafficker was around the young women and girls, apparently, according to one of the emails that he was sexually abusing and trafficking, that Epstein was sexually abusing and trafficking, and that when he got a chance to reveal and publicize the other people who were complicit in this, he decided to cover it up, likely because it was so

embarrassing his own involvement with Epstein. So like, you know, even if the worst of the worst is not true about Donald Trump, like the fact that he is covering up his relationship with this person and using the levers of the government to do so is now, you know, undebatable. And so when you have, you know, such overwhelming facts going against you politically, you know, some people apologize. Some people, you know, throw themselves in the mercy of the court. Some people, you know, try to, some people walk away. Not Magna. We know not Magna, you know, there's no admitting wrongdoing. There's no apology. You always have to come with, increasingly absurd rationalizations for Donald Trump's heinousness.

And I think the most prime example of this today came from our friend Megan Kelly. Then Kelly brought on Batya Unger Sargon. She showed her on News Nation. And these two women together decided that what they were going to do is present a defense where Donald Trump did nothing wrong. And not only that, not only did Donald Trump do nothing wrong, that Jeffrey Epstein isn't really a pedophile. He's an a fibrofile.

And that all of this is just pearl clutching from the libs that are out to get Donald Trump. That's, I swear to go. So that's where they're going. Donald Trump, just a perfect gentleman, Jeffrey Epstein, and a fibophile. A little yucky, little yucky, but like, really, not a lot of criminal. I mean, he was a criminal, no other criminal activity here, just a little yucky. I want to play these clips. And, well, I want to point.

laugh at them for trying to sell this to their audience and then I want to get serious and contrast what they're trying to tell you about Jeffrey Epstein's victims with the reality of those victims and what happened to them and how they're treated because it's it's unimaginable that somebody might take this moment to try to minimize in any way the grotesque treatment of these victims, by Jeffrey Epstein himself, of course, but also by all the people that collaborated with him in various ways, including some of those who were abusing those girls and young women themselves as well. So let's go to the clips. First up, we've got Megan Kelly setting up Bacha for a big defense, and she wants to make sure that she alibize Donald

Trump right away for the audience. Let's take a look. We have not seen some slew of young women come forward to say, me too, on Donald Trump molesting them or having paid for sex with them when they were barely legal or otherwise. It just hasn't happened. We haven't seen a slew of young women coming forth to say me too. Maybe Megan was trying to make this as a very narrow point about the Epstein victims themselves. that there have been a couple of Epstein victims that have talked about being brought to Donald Trump's Trump Tower office, including one that I interviewed right here on this page.

Her name is Stacey Williams. Being led into Donald's office to be grown up by him was bad enough. And I probably was young enough and confused enough or maybe I was still questioning. I'll put a link at the bottom to her testimony about the relationship between Epstein and Trump. And there were others that reported to the FBI. So, like, there have been several examples of people mentioning Trump, women, victims, mentioning Trump in the context of Epstein. But moreover, such that, like, there hasn't been a slew of women coming forth to say me too about Trump. Like, what?

Where have you been, Megan Kelly? There were at least 28 women have accused Donald Trump of various acts of sexual mass conduct, including rape, kissing and groping without consent. You can do anything. Whatever you want. Grab them by the . Looking under women's skirts. and yes, walking in on naked teenage pageant contestants. There was no second to put a robe on or any sort of clothing or anything.

Some girls were topless, other girls were naked. So, yes, there have been a lot of women who have come forth. I know that Megan Kelly made part of her career downplaying the Me Too moment and looking for opportunities to focus on and center false accusations. Of course, there are some, as are in any case. But in the case of Donald Trump, I mean, there's a litany of women who have said that he engaged in inappropriate, illegal, and non-consensual behavior with them. And Donald Trump has admitted on tape that he did that. He said, when you're a star, they let you do it.

You just grab them by the pussy. He bragged about it. He bragged about the fact that he committed sexual assault on women. So what are you talking about? like we already know that about Trump I like who what earth are the viewers of this show on where you can make a statement like that

where there have not been a slew of women coming forth against Donald Trump there have and he admitted it in an audio in the most famous audio from his first campaign we'll go to Baja to see what she said

who knows right maybe maybe she pushed back good, Megan? And she's like, that's not quite true. Let's listen. Yeah, in fact, at that same press conference, the lawyer for one of the, for a group of the women, actually said, Jeffrey Epstein would prey upon women when they were underage, true and disgusting and horrible. And then the lawyer said, and when they came of age and he was no longer interested in them, he would then pass them on. So there was no pedophilia ring. There was a pedophile who did unspeakable things to vulnerable girls, and then they would age out of Jeffrey Epstein's pedophilic interests, at which point he would then start to pass them around to his friends.

Okay. So Bacha is not going to object to Megan Kelly's claim that there have not been a slew of women coming forth to make accusations against Donald Trump, even though we all know there have. And instead, she's going to take the question a different direction. And she's going to mention a claim from a lawyer at the press conference about how, to their knowledge, what was happening with these young girls was that Jeffrey Epstein was abusing them and molesting them. And then when they became 18, he would pass them off to his friends. And these sex trafficked and groomed girls would give sexual massages to creepy old men

who were friends with a sex trafficker. That's the spin now. That's where they're at. That's where Maga World is. Here's our pretty picture that we'll paint on this. Like these lives and the media and they want to talk about this Epstein hoax. They want to act like there was some big pedophile ring. There wasn't a pedophile ring.

There was just a single pedophile that had a ring of girls that he brought by his house and that he abused. and sexually molested and assaulted over and over again. And then when they became 18, he took these young girls that he had groomed and sex trafficked. And he handed them out like party favors to his pals, for them to ogle them and grope them and receive massages from them and do other even more disgusting stuff than that.

So there you go. So that's the spin that we've got. It wasn't a crime. No crimes. No crimes. No crimes. It's just Trump and a bunch of other rich guys who are pals with Epstein, you know, got handed these sex trafficked girls once I reached 18, you know, to be their own little playthings to receive massages from. That's the positive spin.

Okay. If you want to go with that, Bata, I don't know. I mean, I guess I'll just put it this way. as a dad, I would think, man, my 14, 15, 16 year old daughter got recruited and groomed by some disgusting European lady to go to this rich guy's house to get molested. And then once you reached a page, the guy was like, hey, I'd like you to meet my other middle-aged and elderly male friends and they are

going to now use you for their own needs. As a dad I'm just imagining that I would be filled with unquenchable rage and so I don't know where Batio would feel like

in that situation but it seems like it's a pretty fucking outrageous affront like maybe it's not technically a crime on behalf of the guy that got the massage but it is morally repulsive and anyone that is involved in it should be expelled from polite society forever

maybe not jailed but certainly investigated let's move on to Megan Megan hears that from Bacha normal person like us all of us, we hear that from Batchett, and we're like, what the fuck is this lady talking about? This is crazy. Megan Kelly, though, she kind of gave it a yes-a-ant.

Let's listen. I do know somebody very, very close to this case, who is in a position to know virtually everything. Not everything, but virtually everything. And this person has told me from the start years and years ago that Jeffrey Epstein, in this person's view, was not a pedophile. This is this person's view, who was. there for a lot of this, but that he was into the barely legal type. Like he liked

15-year-old girls. I'm just going to pause it there for one second. Jeffrey Epstein was not a pedophile. He was into the barely legal type. He liked 15-year-old girls. So as a lawyer, you would think

that Megan Kelly would be familiar with the fact that a 15-year-old is not exactly a barely legal type. The 15-year-old is rape. statutory rape that's barely illegal that would be the barely illegal type Megan so if if he was into 15 year olds there's a little bit of a conflict there with your pitch you know so that Jeffrey wasn't a pedophile you know he's she's doing the thing that roy more used to do it's like he was in a febophile not a pedophile okay so he's in a feebophile not a pedophile

he's into the barely legal type you know like 15 which is not legal not not legal. Illegal type. Let's keep going. And I realize this is disgusting. I'm definitely not trying to make an excuse for this. I'm just giving you facts. That he wasn't into like eight-year-olds,

but he liked the very young teen types that could pass for even younger than they were, but would look legal to a passer-by. And that is what I believe. So what Megan believes is that Jeffrey Amstead, was into the barely legal type that looked young. They looked illegal to a passer-by. That's what she was saying.

I thought about this. And I was like, okay, it's just so outrageous and outlandish on its face. Megan Kelly could even be, like, how do you find yourself doing this? Like, where you're doing this spin, you want Donald, you want to run cover for Donald Trump so badly that you find yourself talking about this notorious child sex trafficker?

and be like, well, you know, I mean, he was into the barely legals. It was the younger teens. It was the epiphobiles. It wasn't the babies. It wasn't the pedophiles. He wasn't a toddler. And it's like, okay. But like, it's still horrifically heinous.

Okay. And if you're going to tell me that he was into the girls that looked legal by if people, you know, if passers by happen to walk. passed Jeffrey Epstein on his fucking gross sex island. Well, I think let's just, let's just, let's just judge that all together. I don't know if Megan's going to watch this, but we should judge that all together. He said that Jeffrey Epstein, like, was into the barely legal types he wanted them to look legal. It was very different than having sex with, like, young kids.

That would be gross. Having sex with, like, teens, you know, it's more borderline, right? So, so let's take a look at a couple of the pictures together. Here's the first one. This is one of the older girls, actually, that he abused has come forward. Tila Davis, she was 17. Here's a picture of Epstein and Davis on a plane together. Megan Kelly says that Davis looks passably legal to somebody that would encounter this situation. I mean, to me, if I encounter the situation, it looks passably legal in the sense that he looks like her grandfather.

And he's teaching his granddaughter how to fly a plane. Like, the idea that this disgusting little fucking troll, this disgusting gremlin with his fucking gray-ass chest hair would be fondling and a molesting that girl, I don't know. That doesn't seem meaningfully different from a nine-year-old to me. I don't, I get, I mean, it's unimaginably unspeakably inappropriate. I mean, she just looks like a child in that picture. And his disgusting eyes glaring at her. So, yeah, I mean, sure. It is different, I guess, than molesting a four-year-old.

But, like, this is sick. Like, if these two people, if you're sitting across from them on this plane and then somebody looked over to you and was like, he's molesting her. I mean, he's having sex with her. Nobody would look at that and say, well, it seems passably illegal. You'd call the authorities immediately. Let's look at some of the other girls. Here's Jenna Lisa Jones when she was 14. She says Epstein assaulted her during a massage to his Palm Beach home.

Look at that. Look at her. Megan Kelly thinks that this is somebody that is passably. legal for Jeffrey Epstein to be sleeping with if you saw that walking down the street, those two together. Let's keep going. Here's Michelle Lakata, age 16. I mean, again, she looks like she's going to go to homecoming.

Here's another one. Jennifer Arras. Jennifer was recruited at 14, assaulted at 15. I mean, she looks like a baby. Here's Courtney Wilde. You can see her holding a picture of her younger self. And it's just, I mean, it looks like my friend's kid who's 10 to me. I'm like that picture, it looks like my friend's kid who's 10.

So I just, this is sick. This is sick. And you can have a medical discussion or a psychological discussion about the difference between long-term effects of abuse on a 7-year-old versus a 15-year-old. But like the idea that this is like a borderline thing that he was into barely legal types and he just liked him on the younger side. like that's not what this is these are children these are girls in this picture like megan kelly is out there on her podcast today let's pull these pictures up again saying that

these girls Courtney Jennifer Michelle Jenna Lisa Tila she's saying that these girls it was wrong but it was like kind of you know it wasn't as bad as people were saying it's kind of like borderline appropriate it's a barely legal it's kind of like looking at a maxim magazine it's just it is sick this is what title trump has done to these people he's made them sick in the brain they can no longer just have um enough clarity a vision to be able to say you know what i don't need to debase myself like this for this mushroom dicked fucking piece of shit in the white house okay and whatever maybe audience be damned but like what Jeffrey Epstein did was horrific.

We don't know exactly what Donald Trump's role was. The fact that Donald Trump has been accused of sexual assault as many, many times is on the public record. The fact that he bragged about it is on the public record. The fact that he was trying to cover this up is something we all know. Who would want to cover up what happened to these girls? And who would want to go out and spin and act like this isn't as big of a deal as it seems

because it's a phepophilia to like try to, you know, give air cover, give verbal aid and comfort to this cover-up. You know, I just, if you want to say, if you're a mega podcaster and you want to say, look, there's been at least related to Epstein, there's been no underage girls who have accused Donald Trump of acting inappropriately with them directly yet. Okay, like just say that, you know, feeling like that is it good enough because the facts are so bad for Trump that you need to, like, come up with this. other just, just depraved, strained rationalization about the teenage years, which is the early

teens, I just, it's a sign of just a deeply broken person who can no longer identify right from wrong because they're so deep in their need for relevant. or for power, for influence, and that's so tied to this person, Donald Trump, who is completely bankrupt of all character and all moral comportment, that they just, you become a nihilist. And like, once you become a nihilist,

and once you take the black pill, and then you're just like, whatever, anything, whatever I can come up with, whatever my brain can conjure to make this media cycle better for Donald Trump, Trump, I will say, here's what you find, here's how you find, here's what happens.

You find yourself trying to, trying to, you know, kind of thinly slice the difference between pedophilia and a fibophilia. And, you know, do a little bit of, you know, post-hoc, post-suicide spin on behalf of a child sex trafficker. It's all right, guys.

It's all right. The child sex trafficker just took 14-year-old girls, groomed them, trafficked them, ruined their lives, did unspeakable things to their bodies. And then, after a few years, they took these broken young girls that he had used for his own benefit. and he passed them around to his rich, creepy, disgusting friends for their enjoyment so that those guys could take the groomed and traffic girls and use them for their pleasure. Nothing else to see here. Another big deal, not illegal. Don't need to call the cops on that.

That's fine. That's just our president and his pals. Megan Kelly. Pull it together. Okay. Everybody else. We'll be talking to you soon.