Bulwark Takes - More Elon Baby Mama Drama! War Explodes Between Musk and Ashley St. Clair

Episode Date: April 1, 2025

Tim Miller and Will Sommer discuss the latest drama among Elon Musk's many baby mamas, as Ashley St. Clair sells her Tesla to make up for his cut in child support and he denies the child is even his. Also, his many other feuds with Grimes, his daughter Vivian Jenna Wilson, and more.  Read Will Sommer's newsletter, False Flag

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There is a lot of Elon baby mama drama happening. I've seen this like in my peripheral vision on social media and with jokes people have been making to me in their text chain. But I've not been able to really understand the details. And rather than waste my time going deep into the replies of Elon Musk's ex-account, I thought the better thing to do is bring in Will Sommer, author of the False Flag newsletter, who monitors this stuff for a living. So, Will, where are we at? I guess the thing that I've most seen is that is that the woman ashley

st claire who is the alleged baby mama four who's a mega influencer elon tweeted at laura loomer a conspiracy theorist saying that he doesn't even know if that is his child but he's going to pay for it anyway that's all i know take. Take me from there. Yeah, you know, that's traditional family court judge, Laura Loomer. Traditionally, this is how we hash out custody cases. Yeah, so Ashley St. Clair is a sort of right wing internet personality. She wrote a conservative children's book. She's kind of like a just a figure. And so that's why a few months ago, I think like a lot of people, I was surprised when she posted a thing that was like, statement. Yes, I had a baby with Elon Musk.

You know, no, I will not be discussing it further. And since then, I think it was initially people were saying, why are you like putting this all out there? And they were saying, well, you know, we can't get in touch with Elon. We got this baby. And so this has since then become kind of an ugly paternity fight. You know, she claims Elon isn't giving her enough money to take care of the kid, which as we know, is one of many kids he has. I'm selling it because I need to make up for the 60% cut that Elon made to our French child. And so that's sort of where we're

at. But it's all playing out in this really sort of bizarre way online. How is it possible that he doesn't know if it's his kid or not? I guess. Yeah. That was an odd one, right? That he's sort of implying, you know,

it could be someone else's kid. We don't know. We know obviously in the past he's had kids through IVF, which you would think would make the paternity pretty clear. I don't think we know how this baby was conceived. I don't even want to get into it. But basically he basically, Ashley St. Clair and him are now locked in this sort of child support battle. And so perhaps he's saying

this to try to get out of paying the child support. He said he's already, he's bought her a condo. He's paid hundreds of thousands of dollars for the kid. And so this is also creating this dynamic on the right where a lot of people these right-wing personalities you mentioned laura loomer are saying you know actually you're a gold digger they're turning on her yeah i saw one uh mega guy i follow you know kind of saying that oh he's he's giving her 500 000 um and and also a 200 2.5 million 500 000 a year and 2.5 million, $500,000 a year and $2.5 million up front or something. And that seems like kind of a lot to me. Like siding with Elon, like this woman is getting too much money from the richest person in the world.

For Elon, that's $500,000 is half of one vote in Wisconsin in the Supreme Court race. So yeah, I mean she's saying she wants more and she's saying she's he's basically abandoned you know their family such as it is uh you know this is somewhat of a predictable outcome if you followed elon's other family issues but there it is speaking of his other family issues um so the previous um baby mama grimes we don't accept negative words about grimes on this podcast personal preference we love we love and honor grimes um she's accept negative words about grimes on this podcast personal preference we love we love and honor grimes um she's been she was kind of shit posting elon for a little while because he wasn't like replying to her because they had a hospital appointment with a kid or something and there's another point where she's kind of shit posting him over his attacks on

western civilization or something and then i guess maybe he's come to his defense now so what's happening with baby mama three well i mean right i mean you this moment it was so bizarre i mean it was sort of right when elon was taking over doge and she's tweeting at him you know hey elon uh you know why don't you like our child is having a medical emergency i'm sorry to be tweeting this on the website you own but this is the only way to get in touch with you. And that was the same night he was doing the thing with the chainsaw and waving it around wearing the video game shirt. This is the chainsaw for bureaucracy. I think this is needless to say a guy with kind of a complicated paternity history. The other thing I should say is the reason that ashley st claire stuff is back in the news originally is because she sold her

tesla so you know for elon that's like the ultimate she sold her tesla to carvana and she had i i think a very clearly staged as a protest yes well she's saying look how poor i am elon has has immiserated me i have have to sell my Tesla. And so the Daily Mail was there to see the Tesla towed off. So, I mean, the idea, clearly she tipped them off to get some publicity here for her child custody case or her paternity case. But, I mean, it is, you know, she was saying, well, you know, who knows how much money I could get from him. Obviously, his stock is in the dumps. You can check the stock.

I am not the dumps. You can check the stock. I am not the only one. His oldest child is trans and has been speaking out against him again a little bit more recently. So I don't know if that's attached to any of this, but it does seem to be something

that impacts him. We've had to learn a lot about Elon's kids, maybe more than I would have expected a few years ago. I mean, of course, there's also the one he takes to the White House and who sometimes hangs out with Trump, sans Elon, you know? And obviously he's gotten very mad

about this trans daughter of his. He got really mad at the streamer, Hassan Piker, who I believe interviewed the trans daughter. And so he really has this habit, and I don't know if it's deliberate or not. It's sort of playing out this family drama online. Yeah, I was gonna say just test this out for me. Maybe call your daughter. I don't know. Just throwing that one out there. Just an idea for viewers who are watching who may be having a strange family member. Sometimes it's not fixable.

I understand that. But certainly, I would say on the kind of hierarchy of options, shit posting about them on your social media platform seems suboptimal as compared to like, I don't know, calling her, calling a couple of the baby mamas, checking in, seeing if the kids have any doctor's appointments, seeing if they need any money. And that seems to be, you know, preferable, but that's not really his style. Yeah, you really don't want the, you know, for example, in the Grimes' case, to be in a position where, you know, the mother of one of your children has to tweet at you like, hey, our kid is going to the hospital for an emergency, maybe cut it out with,

you know, there's also a guy who is video gaming. We're to believe two-thirds of the day. So maybe a little less Diablo, maybe a little more Pantheon. Yeah. For me, Will, your backstory is a little different than mine, but my people attacking deadbeat dads was a pretty common thing in conservative culture growing up. And there's something to that, I guess. At certain times, there was maybe some racist undertones to it.

But as a general principle, attacking people that don't parent their own child, maybe not attacking them, but criticizing people that don't parent their own child for selfish reasons, I think, is probably a noble position in society that we should honor people that actually parent their children rather than those that abandon them. And that kind of element, that strain of conservatism, is that completely lost? Or do you see that in critiques of Elon coming from the right? No, I mean, to be frank, I mean, it is interesting. You have this guy who is saying, you know, we need to. Well, he's certainly increasing the birth rate. He's saying we need to increase the birth rate. You know, Western values have to have to, you know, we have to shore these up.

And yet he has maybe the most Baroque family life of like any public figure in America. And so, you know, you have this situation. If anything, I've seen, you know, a lot more people on the right going after Ashley St. Claire, who is a relatively blameless figure here. You know, they dug up these old messages where she was saying to her friends like, oh, my gosh, Elon's messaging me. You know, I want to have his baby or, you know, what have you, which strikes me as kind of just girl talk. But these are being treated as, like, the smoking gun that, you know, she entrapped innocent Elon who, you know, incidentally does have kids all over the place anyway.

Yeah, the reject modernity, embrace tradition, trad Catholic crowd. It does seem to have a little bit of a blind spot. Well, to that that end it's funny you bring that up i mean i think perhaps this is more of a like really trad like going back to like ancient greece polygamy or polygamy yes we're gonna have more of a like a warlord type system chieftain that's interesting well that's something i've considered it's it's uber traditional like you know we're gonna go back're going to go way back. Not back to the 50s, maybe, or the 1550s.

The 550s. The 550s. There's that guy, Bronze Age pervert, who's a very influential figure in terms of who the young Trump administration figures read. And I mean, yeah, that's a guy who's talking about going back to the Bronze Age. All right, Will. We all wish that we didn't have to care about this. We all wish that we didn't have to care about this. But as long as he's the shadow president, I do think it speaks a little bit to the mindset

of the right and what is happening on where the right is going. So I appreciate that you're following it for us. And, you know, who knows? Any moment now, another baby mama might pop up. And so we'll make sure to keep people posted. Absolutely.