Bulwark Takes - Tim and JVL Watch Mehdi Hasan Humiliate 20 Far-Right Clowns

Episode Date: July 21, 2025

Tim and JVL react to Mehdi Hasan's appearance on Jubilee, where he takes on 20 far-right conservatives in a brutal, revealing debate. From open fascist admissions to jaw-dropping constitutional takes, Tim and JVL break down what this says about the next generation of conservatives.

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If you have questions or concerns about gambling or someone close to you, please contact Connex Ontario at 1-866-531-2600 to speak to an advisor free of charge. BetMGM operates pursuant to anwork here with my buddy Jonathan V. Last. JVL, you got to subscribe to his newsletter over at TheBullwork.com if you haven't. Well, I was watching this video over the weekend and I was like, me and JVL got to react to it together. It is Mehdi Hassan over at Zateo and he goes into the Lions Den at Jubilee, if you've seen one of these videos where it's one person that argues with 20 youth. And in this case, the frame was one progressive

versus 20 far right conservatives featuring Mehdi Hassan. I want to talk to Mehdi, get to get his reaction. But while we're negotiating that, I feel like we should play you some of the clips because it's so great. The way that these things work is the protagonist in this case, which is Mehdi, makes a couple of claims, then he argues with his opponents about it. Mandy's claims were Donald Trump is pro-crime and pro-criminal, check for me. Donald Trump is defying the Constitution, another check for me. Immigrants overall are good for America, we're going to go a lot over these clips, that's

a check for me. And then Donald Trump's plan for Gaza is ethnic cleansing. And then he replies to a claim about birthright citizenship. So those are, that is the format, JVL. Have you consumed a Jubilee video before? Is this going to be your inaugural journey? So this is essentially like, you know, when they do a stunt with chess, where they take Garry Kasparov into Central Park and they line up 20 chess boards with people and he just moves from position to position playing 20 games at once. That's what this is. Right. Yeah.

Except with. Yeah, that is what this is. And an English public school boy who is Oxford educated against a bunch of idiots from Twitter. Great. Fair fight. And that and some of the people are eating the pieces, I think, in this game. I don't know that I don't know that all the people are actually playing chess on the other side. Wild, wild. Yeah, we need to experience it together. So I want to play a couple of the highlight clips. And and I think that we're doing this in part for the laughs, but in part because I do think that there is

an insight here about the nature of what is happening with the mega youth that I think is important for everybody to sit with. It's not a not a not an optimistic insight. If you if you're not surprised by that. Let's start. We got producer Jared firing up. What's that? The manga youth don't want to go back to Nikki Haley, Tim. I don't believe so. We're about to find out. Okay. Yeah. We're about to find out. I don't think compassionate conservatism is the future. Um, Jared, why don't you fire up the first clip? Okay. That guy's excited to go. Nice to meet you,

sir. Maddie. Lovely to meet you. So I would say that with Trump being anti-Constitution, I don't really care to be quite frankly. Okay. Because in regards... Not a synodic. In regards to the Constitution, the Constitution is a document that should seek to serve us. And when it fails to seek to serve us, that can be amended. Laws can be changed. And quite frankly, the fact is, we're defending things in this country

that shouldn't be defended. The First Amendment should not defend pornography and making children and women be victimized, making women and children be victimized as a result of that. I think things like blasphemy should be allowed per the First Amendment. I think that quite frankly, there are a lot of legal processes

that are enabling criminals and bad people to fully enact their will in this country in the name of the Constitution or following the Constitution. So quite frankly, if Trump is anti-Constitution, good. And I think he should go further. So this is this is wonderfully revealing of the modern conservative mindset. So I appreciate you spelling it out so openly. Just checking. Do you support the Second Amendment?

I do. Okay, surprise. I was shocked to hear that. I'm saying that Donald Trump is defying the first amendment, the fourth amendment, the fifth amendment, the 14th amendment. He's thinking of defying the 12th and 22nd amendments. You're saying you don't care about the constitution, but actually you do because you quite like the second amendment. You just don't like the bits that you disagree with. Can I just be clear on that? Yeah, absolutely. Okay'm more than willing to amend it and include the second amendment. Whenever it's in your favor? Yeah, absolutely.

So can Democrats do the same when they're in office? No, absolutely not. So you don't believe in democracy? No, I don't. Absolutely not. What do you believe in? Autocracy. Okay, okay. We'll stop there. We'll come back to him. Quite frankly, points for honesty, at least it's an ethos.

At least it's an ethos. What a, what a wild ride this guy goes on. And he, I guess this is what, this is, I'm fumbling for his names, not Patrick Deneen. Um, who's the other Adrian Vermeule. This is the Twitter level of Adrian Vermeule, which is, I just want my Catholic theocracy. But what I don't quite understand is, where's the popular support for that? Because practicing Catholics in America

are no longer a, you know, practicing Christians are not a majority anymore. We have a whole bunch of unchurched people. Like, that's the weirdness of like, this guy doesn't seem to understand that he's representing like a group that's like, eh, like 25, 35% of the country. He's not sitting on 65%.

Well, that's why he doesn't want democracy. Yeah, I guess that's right. But you can't, like, again, autocracy, even theocratic autocracy has to have some fairly significant base of support, right? And the whole thing is- The thing I love about it is that is just like, did they, the thing that is concerning that I also love about it is that they have this framework, even at all. Like, I don't know.

I was once, I always feel like a little bit at home in these settings with these crazy conservative children, because I was one, you one. And I remember being around it and we were like, we were contrarians. We said shit just to piss off the liberal teachers to see if we could get a rise out of them. I was a child. I did all of that. I grew and matured many, unfortunately,

way more than I would have expected have not done so. But even then, even like like I think about myself in that world in 2000 or whatever, it's like the notion that somebody in one of my young Republican groups would have been like, you know what, I'm actually for autocracy. I'm actually for autocracy. It would have been so far afield, right? The Overton window has moved such an insane way that he could say that bluntly. And then you go around the room and people are like, not to that point. Not even clapping. Yeah.

Yeah. It's wild. I want to show my favorite part against blasphemy laws. I mean, do you remember when back when people worried about Sharia coming to America right around 2002 and you know, wow, we got to have the First Amendment and the freedom, you know, they hate us because we got all this awesome porn and now we want Catholic Sharia. It's like, hey man, wow. Let's go on to the to a little bit more of this guy's interview. My favorite part is

when he explicitly defines his worldview even more. And the response in the room has metty shook. So let's go to that. How does the United States look like under your sorry, what's your name? My name is, well, my name is Connor. It's a pleasure to meet you took a little bit of a doubt. I use a pseudonym online. Fair enough. Fair enough. How would Connors America look? What would it look like? Well, quite frankly, I think we would deport people who shouldn't be here. What does the government look like? What's the government look like? Yeah, I would say quite frankly, it's under a sort of benevolent leaders such as where does he

come from? It could be a kind of aristocratic class could be someone who picks the autocrat. Frankly, the people I mean, we could hold a vote on it. Kings is on that democracy. Well, sure, you can have a vote to get to that. No more votes afterwards. Absolutely. 100% Wow. And if that autocrat kills you and your family, you're fine with that? Well, I'm not I'm not going to be a part of the group that he kills because that's the friend enemy distinction, right? You call it the Nazi theoretician. Absolutely. I don't care. You found the Nazis. I don't I frankly don't care being called the Nazi. I didn't say that. I didn't say that. I said, Are you a fan of the Nazis? Well, they persecuted the church. Clap and I'm not a fan of that. But what about the persecution of the Jews? Well, I mean, I certainly don't support anyone's human dignity being assaulted. I'm a Catholic, but you don't condemn Nazi persecution of the Jews. I think that there was a little bit of persecution.

We may have to rename the show because you're a little bit more than a far right Republican. Hey, what can I say? I think you say I'm a fascist. Yeah, I am. Absolutely. I'm just checking who's clapping. Just get my set of where everyone is on this. Because you know that millions of people are going to be watching you on YouTube and checking out who the fascists and the Nazis are.

I'm not ashamed of that. No, clearly you're not. Stop it. That was my favorite bit of the whole thing. Man, he's like, I'm just checking. He's like, wait a minute, there are many people clapping. It's like one, two, three, four. That is alarming.

JVL, what is your state of alarm after watching that exchange? I mean, here's the problem. The problem is that these are just far-right Republicans, and far-right Republicans are now by their own admission because their program is fascism. Right? I mean, this is the thing, right? It isn't like you have the far-right Republicans or the people with their pocket constitutions.

And then over there somewhere, there's like five guys in a corner at a cafe who want fascism. That's not how it is anymore. Now that's like all the Claremont Institute and, you know, who want fascism. That's not how it is anymore. Now that's like all the Claremont Institute and, you know, maybe 40 or 50 or 5000 people inside the executive branch and all these young guys on Twitter. It's really fucking bad. Are you ready for this? Just in case there's anybody that's like, you guys have TDS, like this is not true. These people, you know, these Jubilee assholes are libs that they found the

craziest people they could find. This was one of my favorite little factoids I found digging deep on this over the weekend. Um, the leading Republican candidate for Texas attorney general follows that man on Twitter. The Nazi boy. The Nazi boy. And so it's like, yeah, like these guys are in the firmament, you know? It's like the guys that are running for office and Republicans, it reminds me of that Joe Kent video I did way back in the day where Joe Kent was running for Congress against Mary Glusinkamp Perez of the Pacific Northwest.

And like, there's these like dorm room Nazis, like in his district, those little groifers. Right? Yeah. Yeah. And he had to do like a zoom call with them where he's kind of like apologizing to them for not being white nationalist enough. It's like that, like these guys like mark the core of the mega, I can have youth movement like that is they, they are representative. And I think it is accurate to be representative to have that man say I'm explicit fascist and having that room of 20. It's like, you know, about half of them are

like, yeah, yeah, super into it. Carl Schmidt. Yeah. And then there's like one girl they show is kind of like, wait, you see her side eyes she gives when he won't say anything. But like, I just signed up for the abortion restriction as I'm here. I don't know. I just signed up because I went to pro life camp.

All right. I don't know. I didn't I didn't realize who I was with. So there is a little bit of that happening. But man, Carl Schmidt shout outs. You don't see that. You don't see that every day. And also, you know, like, I don't know, like, Carl Schmidt isn't the deepest pole in the world, but it's a little bit of a pole, right? I mean, this is somebody who's done some reading. This is somebody who's done research. He's probably not in the social studies book for the juniors of a pulp, right? I mean, this is somebody who's done some reading. This is somebody who's done his own research. He's probably not in the social studies book

for the juniors in high school, when you're just kind of doing the one test on Nazis. On World War II, right? Yeah, it's like Eichmann gets mentioned. Eichmann, Goebbels, Mengele, and Eva Braun. And to get down to Carl Schmitt. Anyway, I just- He did his own research.

I guess it's safe to say he did his own research to get to Carl Schmitt. That's the same. Yeah, that's right. He seems like weirdly pleased with himself too in ways that I can't tell if that, well, and here's the real, I guess- He tweeted it out, his video.

Oh yeah, yeah. Like his own video, he's using it to get followers. Yeah. Does he strike? And I feel bad using this word because I don't mean it. But does he strike you as neurotypical? Does he strike you as normal? Because everything about this kid sort of feels wrong.

And I can't tell if it's because like he's on camera and he's not used to being on camera and he's amped up. You know, because he looks like he's had about 50 Red Bulls in the last half hour. Here's my answer to that question. Do Stephen Miller and Elon Musk and JD Vance strike you as neurotypical? Because I don't know if even if he isn't,

I don't know that it's limiting the potential political power. Fair point. Yeah. All right, Jared, we have a couple of, I don't wanna pick on the one Carl Schmidt fan alone. Let's just give you a little more taste. Just a couple more.

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Must be 19 plus, available in Ontario only. Please play responsibly. If you have questions or concerns about your gambling or someone close to you, please contact Connects Ontario at 1-866-531-2600 to speak to an advisor for your charge. I don't know where you're at in the UK. You're from India, so I don't not from India. Are you sorry your parents are from India? So I'm gonna have your own state I'm an American, you know, you're an American citizen. Okay, fair enough. I don't know you got that but fair enough Here's the thing. Are you an American citizen? Absolutely, but here's not sure how you got that Okay born here. Okay born here in my my family lineage is settlers from the 1500

So I have some stake in and the claim here Okay, but you're a little different your descendant of immigrants. Settlers. Colonialists. Yeah, colonials. You don't look very Native American to me. I am Native American. Whites are Native Americans. What are you talking about? You're not. What are you talking about? Whites are Native Americans. Really? What was happening before the 1500s?

I think you're getting confused with it. I don't mind going on the tangent. I think you're getting confused. Calm down. I think you're getting confused. What was happening before the 1500 over the 10s. I think you're getting- No, no, calm down. I think you're getting confused. What was happening before the 1500s? There was indigenous people here that came here from Asia. Do you know what indigenous means?

Listen, before America- Indigenous people come from somewhere else. Why do you ask a question if you're gonna interrupt? I'm not sure if you know what the meaning of indigenous means. I do know what it means. It means they came here first, right? They came here from Asia by way of land bridge. I have an argument with Neil deGrasse Tyson

or anybody else about that. I don't care. Is he an American? I genuinely don't care. Yes, he is. Just checking. My point is. That's a fair question. Okay. Nothing to do with crime. So far you've agreed with me that these people are criminals. Because you're derailing, dude. I'm like, I'm trying to stay on track. You literally sat down and asked me where I'm from. I think you derailed this conversation from the get-go. I think you got offended by that. But I'm, because I'm always curious. I'm

not offended. I'm just wondering. Okay. I've seen enough of this. I've seen enough of this. Um, the whites is the Native Americans. That's a theory. That's a theory. It seemed like a popular theory in the group. Yeah, it's a, you know, it's it's not. I guess this is the real tension. Do you want Christo fascism or white nationalist fascism?

And I feel like a few more claps for the white nationalist fascism. And I feel like a few more claps for the white nationalist fascism actually. I have a pretty strong belief that those two groups can hold hands and make it work initially. But if they get what they want, these things never last. And none of them seem to realize that. There does become, and I once got into a Twitter fight myself, I'm not above

it with Adrian Vermeule, the aforementioned gentleman who's more the kind of the Harvard Winnie the Pooh and the tuxedo version of these guys. And, and my, the main thrust of my argument with him was that like, there's a pretty big flaw in theory of the Christo fascism, the Catholic whatever fascism coming to America, which is that you're going to need the Hispanics. They'd be a pretty key part of the coalition. You need every Catholic you can get, and a lot of them these days are Hispanics and are recent immigrants. And eventually you're gonna hit a crux point with the white nationalists on this. And he got really offended about that and

said that, of course, you would include the Hispanics. And I was like, I don't know then why you're in coalition with Stephen Miller, because they're the tip of the spear of the target of the white nationalists. So yeah, a conflict does arise eventually, but for, you know, as long as they can just pick on Medea, it's okay for now. It's a it is what I mean that I guess I don't quite understand where this idea of well, we have stakes in it because I can trace my lineage back to 1500. Like what stakes do you have?

It's just nonsensical. It doesn't- What's European? I guess. It's a traditional European view, right? You're not a real German, you're not a real Frenchman. Your ancestors did not come from the Rhine or whatever, but it's traditionally not American. It's not something that you'd heard here a

lot. Not for some time. Not for some time. Yeah. You know, the Mayflower Americans, like I always liked to, Dallin Gachamat Palihipatia was talking about how we need to have greater respect for the Mayflower traditional Americans. And I was like, yes, the traditional Mayflower Americans, you know, Smith, Wright, Pala Hippotia. Anyway, let's just do one more. There's so many we could do a lot. Let's just pick one more just for fun, Jared, dealer's choice. This is the point they create. I came into this country. So far, every one of my assumptions

about you has been correct. But listen to me. I am an immigrant. I'm speaking from personal experience. I don't even like, I should get the hell out. Yes. Why? I don't want you here. Why? Because you come here and say all this bullshit about how Americans are lazy. You push your left wing politics.

I never said Americans are lazy. I don't know why you say this. I never said Americans are lazy. You're the person attacking people as you. You're saying immigrants have to come into this country so they can do jobs that we don't want to do. That's exactly what you said. I never said those words.

When did I say it? When did I say it? We're on YouTube. Guys watching on YouTube, rewind to the time where I said immigrants are doing jobs we don't wanna do. When did I say those words? Words that came out of my mouth. Okay, so why do we have to bring in immigrants

to the country if we have people who are gonna do the job? Pause, you've been voted out. Ouch. Nice talking to you. You're gonna have to go. Nice talking to you. Voted out by his own little Carl Schmitz. You're gonna have to go, bro, is what he said as I left. To an American citizen, good to know where you stand on immigration. It's not about immigration is it? That's what it's not

about. Well, that guy, that's part of a longer clip about economics. He had a very lengthy exchange about where his main argument was that immigration, if you look at certain studies decreases native born earnings by like 0.5% in certain industries. And so as part of that, we need to just make sure that only whites can get the jobs. But I don't it's just I to me it's like the main takeaway you see you mentioned the first guy being potentially not neurotypical. That dude is just a fucking frat dude. Totally normal. That dude is just a frat dude.

Totally normal. Right, he's just a frat dude. And it shows you, this is like kind of my Bill Kristol view about like how like things are not inevitable. Actually like leadership matters, things are, history is contingent. And you just, you can imagine a world where in 2016 Marco Rubio's attempts to make fun of Donald Trump for having

a small penis worked, and he eats out of victory, and he eats out of victory over Hillary. And this guy is kind of just like, for whatever, you know, tax cuts and bombing Arabs. He's not going to be Mr. Compassion. I'm not saying that's good or whatever, but you can just see the way that this white nationalist, white genocide, a couple of them say they're for white genocide in this long Jubilee, or not for white genocide, but they believe white genocide is something that's happening. That is the central identity of young conservatives. It's something that has been molded by Trump and Stephen Miller and that it's going to be a generation to roll back, if ever. Yes. There are two things which I, they are not yet totally mainstreaming conservatism, but I think they're close. And that is the idea of ending birthright citizenship,

which until Donald Trump mentioned doing it, like in an aside in his first term, was something that nobody, like the five people at the Claremont Institute had thought about and nobody else. You could walk around and ask in 2016, every registered Republican in America, do you think we need to get rid of birthright citizenship? And literally all but 12 would have said, what are you talking about? No. And now we're at a point where that's basically table stakes. The next one is going to be revoking citizenship. And this is a thing which, again, there is a law on the books, which allows you to do it. You can revoke people's citizenship. It's an old law from the Red Scare days meant to to protect us from commies and,

and Soviet spies. But you can see in this and in the Trump tweets which have started about, you know, oh, we're going to revoke Rosie O'Donnell's citizenship. He's talked about revoking Zoran Mamdani's citizenship. That's coming too, I think. I think we're headed towards a place where one of the tenets of conservatism is going to be, we can create the populace we want by unpersoning and revoking the citizenship of the people we don't like and making them stateless.

And that's, man, that is down the path to some really, really bad shit. I've got a question for you, maybe you don't know that there is no good answer to, but if the, if the serious learning from this, right? Is it like, this is now a generational movement and like that is going to be animated by these types of issues. And you think, okay, you need to come up with a counter narrative, right? A counter message. Like what is the objective now for the rest

of us? Like, if you if I think the first time is just acknowledging that this is going to be this is going to be very pervasive among the young, right? And this for at least, you know, the short term, at least foreseeable future, what can be done about it? Right? And I think that at some level, some of the is not to blame the woke stuff, but some of this is related to kind of backlash guys feeling like whatever,

that they're, you know, that's, um, that the more, you know, credit or attention has been given to these marginalized groups and that makes them feel less, you know, less than a, some of it's related. So if that, and so I don't know that like forcing that stuff down their throat is gonna really help. What could help, do you think? No idea. Demographic progress is probably the answer, right?

I mean, the answer may be, I'm just theorizing here and thinking out loud, that these are the sort of reactions you have when big societies are in the midst of large-scale demographic change, which we are. Over the last 60 years or so, we've gone from being, I don't have the numbers in front of me, so I don't have them exactly right, but like, you know, 85, 80% white to down, I think, like 50 to 60% white. At some point in the next 20 years. Though that is based on the notion that Italians are meaningfully different from Venezuelans

and from a race standpoint, you know what I mean? Because it does include Hispanics. Well, it includes Hispanics, right. So Hispanics blow up from like 6% to like 25%. African-Americans hold serve at like 11%, Asian percentages. I guess in some ways there's not that much demographic change. There's an uptick in Asian population. There's not that, but if you consider Hispanic people not any different from Southern Europeans, right, from a racial demographic standpoint, like that's all a construct. It's

all a cultural, I mean, I don't know. I don't think that like Germans in 1940 in America would have seen, would have thought that the WAPs were any different than the Mexicans. I don't think. But they did, right? I mean, those constructs did used to exist and then they faded away.

So like, you know, maybe moving to a majority minority demographic mix here could, I guess it could make it worse or it could solve it. I don't know is the answer. I just don't see a way because it isn't really about opportunity. It's not about economics. It's not about economics. Look at those kids in their Vine vines shirts and shit. So it isn't like you can solve it by slicing the pie and giving those people more of it.

None of these guys were mowing the lawn and had their lawn mowing job taken by a Honduran immigrant. That's not the case. And so what is the remedy? The remedy is to make them stop wanting fascism. And like, I don't know how you do that. Yeah, I don't know. I feel like there should be a remedy.

Comment if you have some thoughts. I'm going to think more deeply about this rather than popping off. All right, to producer Jared, I said that was last round. Producer Jared said there's one real good one. So we'll do a real fast. We'll give everybody a little dessert. One more clip from the video. Oh wow, there's three people so far. Let's keep counting. We should be nicer to you, otherwise you'll deport us. What a great argument. This is a free speech debate, Ken.

It's not your country, my friend. It's our country, whether you like it or not. Yeah, that's a nice place to leave it. I want to, we're inviting Maddy on, because I kind of want a behind the scenes. I'm desperate for behind the scenes. You do these things and it's like off camera, were they nicer? Were they meaner? Were they scared of him?

Didn't want to talk to him? I'm desperate to hear Maddie's take from inside the lion's den. So hopefully he'll come on and share with us about it. Can I ask you just a judging, figure skating, judging on points. Yeah. These kids all seem supremely confident and like they were they thought they were winning. Oh, yeah. And I don't quite understand it.

I mean, Meddy is again, he's he is a British public school boy. He went to Oxford. This is what they fucking do with that educational system. His degree is in philosophy and politics. That means at Oxford, he spent all of his life debating people, but he's really, really good at it. And he basically undressed all of these kids. And there seems to have been no recognition of like, ah, you know, I, I hate him and you

know, but he's crafty and you know, I'm a little, I should have made my points better. No, like I said, the one, the first kid we showed posted his entire thing on Twitter. I saw it the, and I, and part of what got me to watch these things, cause I gotta be honest, these things, you know, online debate stuff, it's a dime a dozen. For some people, it's not really for me. But what got me to watch it was that I was seeing a back and forth about the backwards hack kid and his debate with Mehdi on the economics of immigration and a lot of like right wingers sharing it and being like the dude beat Mehdi. And so I was kind of like, oh, what? I'm kind of curious about that. Like, that can't be true. Maybe it's true. I'm wondering what happened. So that was what

drew me in. And I watched that whole exchange. And it's like, again, he got the core of his argument was that, you know, some studies show that native born Americans lose 0.5% on their salary. And it's like, okay, I mean, that's a great bit on the grand scheme of things of all the other things immigrants bring to a society. It's like, okay, I'm happy to give up 0.5% of my salary to have a more welcoming nation. But, you know, I think that it shows that, again, it's more than being in a bubble, right? It is, these guys were 14 when Donald Trump came down the escalator. They have been forged in this.

They now believe a like great man narrative about Trump and about the fact that America was being overrun by the Wokes and the immigrants and leftists. And it's Donald Trump that's fighting them back. And we need to reinstate, you know, a more traditional white America, you know, in order to save America and the West. And like that is, to your point about table stakes about being for birthright citizenship, like that framework is unimpeachable to them, right? And so like the arguments that Pierce said don't work,

you know what I mean? It'd be like a very faithful Catholic arguing with Christopher Hitchens. And like, somebody could watch it and be like, well, Hitchens is winning on the points. But it's like other faithful Catholics are watching. It's like, well, Hitchens won't even acknowledge though that God accepted. Right? You know what I mean? It's like, it is so fundamental to their worldview that America is a white nation, right? That I think that they don't even, they can't even allow the counter-argument. I think it's what explains it.

It was like, you know, like he was there to fight many on the idea that Donald Trump doesn't care about the constitution. And he just concedes that Donald Trump doesn't care about the constitution. And he then tries to argue that actually it doesn't care about the Constitution. And he then tries to argue that actually it doesn't matter and the Constitution is bad and it's only a tool to be used for oppression. And again, like I, that means you lost, right? Like, dude, you, and there doesn't

seem to be any, any understanding. It's just weird. Weird. No acknowledgement. You're a loser. Okay, that's JBL. We had to do that together. I hope we might come on. We can do a little bit more if you hopefully you guys are obsessed with this as I am. And we got much more coming for you here. So subscribe to the feed. Subscribe to JBL newsletter over at the board.com give us a like we'll see you all soon. Bye