Bulwark Takes - Tim Calls Out Megyn Kelly’s Dangerous Attempt to Exploit and Divide

Episode Date: September 21, 2025

Tim Miller takes on Megyn Kelly’s attempt to turn corruption into a culture war, calling out her “us vs. them” rhetoric and exposing how she tries to divide Americans.

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And they speak to a larger trend of what we're seeing right now on the right that is chilling. And I think presages some really scary stuff ahead. In addition to that, it also demonstrates the hollowness of their idea. And Megan demonstrates the hollowness of her ideology in a way that is much more overt than we're used to seeing. And so I think that it's worth breaking it down for everybody. It started with this. And if you saw the video we did last night on the Tom Homan bribery scandal last night, it started with Megan's reaction to that.

Tom Homan was caught on tape accepting a $50,000 cash bribe in a Kava bag. That was a new piece of information. As soon as we taped the last video. So it was like somebody went to Kava, got themselves a bowl, presumably ate the bowl, and then put $50,000 of cash in a bag and then handed it to Tom Homan as a bribe. This was an FBI agent posing as a business person. They've got some leads to Tom was doing corrupt dealings,

and that is what led to this situation. So having an extremely high-ranking official, the deportations are in this administration, on tape accepting bribes is something that you would think would unite everybody, right? You would think that, like, he wouldn't be going to work Monday morning, right? You know, regardless of your ideology is, you can't let, you don't want to live in a kleptocracy, you don't want to live in a country where people in charge of, especially in charge of law and order type positions, people who are making determinations about, about how we treat people who are here either illegally or, you know, have other issues with

their legal status, the idea that that person would act so brazenly illegally, you think would be unacceptable in any situation, not in this administration of mob bosses. So Megan Kelly's reaction to that, to that story that Tom Homan had taken the bribe was, we do not care. Don't bother real time, Herman, he's a national treasure. So I guess some points for just honesty. She doesn't care. We can live in a banana republic. We can live in a kleptocracy.

High-ranking officials in the Trump administration can line their pockets. Corruption doesn't matter. All that matters is this unending battle between MAGA and anti-Mega, right? That's all the matters to Megan Kelly. She doesn't care if they cheat. She doesn't care if they break the law. She doesn't care if they cheat on their wives. She doesn't care if they have allegations of sexual assault and harassment.

She doesn't care about any of that. She doesn't care. As long as you're wearing the MAGA hat, Megan Kelly thinks you can act with impunity. And she's just extremely blunt about that. My colleague Sam Stein posted that. It does raise an interesting question if there is a limiting principle of that. Is there like anything that someone in the Trump administration could do that Megan Kelly would object to?

And I think the answer is basically no, as long as it advanced their mission, right? If somebody in the MAGA, you know, if somebody in the administration did something to embarrass MAGA, that could upset her. But as long as they are out there advancing Trump's cult's political prospects, Megan Kelly will be okay with it. So I guess points for bluntness.

I replied to that with a rhetorical question, as Kamala might say. You don't care that government officials are taking cash bribes? What? You know, it's like, what? Really? Like, we can't even agree on that? As I said, I thought that was a rhetorical question that would just sort of float into the air, float into the ether of our internet discourse.

But Megan Kelly took that one sentence rhetorical question very seriously. And she spent, I don't know, what appears to be, a better part of a couple hours crafting a reply to it that was like canterbury tales in length. I'm not going to be able to read all of it because we have like limited bandwidth on this YouTube page. And, you know, the upload time would take so long if I read everything that Megan Kelly wrote in response to my rhetorical question. But I'm going to read some of the key passages. It starts like this. Oh, also, by the way, it's so long that people were confused where I was, I was,

was replying to her as if she was talking to me because you have to scroll so far to get the fact that this is a quote tweet on top of my tweet. So like I said, I said, you don't care that government officials are taking cash bribes? What? She replies with a quote tweet thusly. We don't trust you. We don't trust the work of your president's DOJ. We don't trust the work of your president's FBI. You indicted our presidential candidate four times with made up BS charges trying to put him in jail for life. You changed laws so he could be civilly sued by a woman

who didn't even remember what year her alleged rape by him was. You led an AG who ran for office promising to get Trump, tried to bankrupt him on a claim so specious, even the New York appellate court scoffed at it and had to reverse the damage award. Quick aside here,

seems like the system worked there in that case, but we'll just leave that. We'll put a pen in that. Then she goes on. One of yours killed Charlie. And then you laughed at our pain, protested our vigils, and said Charlie was to blame and in hell. You lied about the killer's motives and said he was MAGA when you knew he wasn't. You put us all in danger by not

admitting the truth and then not relenting on the lies you tell about us. You cried endless tears for Jimmy Kimmel, but none for Charlie. That's all mega. Again, we're about 40% away through this tweet here. I had two replies to that. The first one was about this pronoun usage. Megan is somebody who's very obsessed with pronoun usage, right? She doesn't like it when people have to put their pronouns in their bio or clarify what their pronouns are. It's a big issue for her on her podcast. She seems to really struggle with pronoun usage herself.

She keeps saying this, we don't trust you. Who's the we? Is everybody not trust me? Does everybody not trust Carol Lennox from the Washington Post? She's been a great reporter who broke this story. We don't trust the work of your president's DOJ. There's some context clues. I guess she's saying there.

Biden was my president and not hers. I don't know who the Wii is there. It continues to go on. You did this, you did that. You changed laws so it could be civilly sued. I didn't do any of these things. I didn't do any of that. Like, you is a personal pronoun.

And I didn't do any of the things that you're upset about. So we can go through the merits. of all these things, and whether you are right to be upset about them. I think in some of these cases, I think it's crazy, for example, that Megan Kelly would smear the work of good people who work in law enforcement, who protect this country, who work at the FBI, who worked at the Department of Justice, who went out and got bad guys, who went out and got sex traffickers, who went out and got predators that went after children. All of that type of work happened during the Biden administration, during the first Trump administration,

during the Bush administration or in the Obama administration, like there are good people working for all of those administrations in law enforcement. And I don't think they deserve to be smeared and have their work smeared by Megan Kelly because she has Biden derangement syndrome. Like, I don't, that's just me. Just like, I'm not going to smear the people that were investigating the Charlie Kirk assassination in Utah. A lot of people out there that are just rank and file folks who worked for people of both parties or law enforcement doing the best they can.

And if you provide me evidence of any individual person acting wrong in any of those administrations, like, okay, not everybody's perfect, but just to paint with a broad brush that everyone that worked at the FBI and DOJ under Joe Biden is some corrupt person that is an enemy of Megan Kelly and her fans, I think is truly grotesque. And frankly, Megan Kelly, those types would get really upset. said at the ACAB that sense that all cops are bad these get this from the far left that's a phrase in the far left that's what she's saying she's doing ACAB to the FBI under Biden all cops are bad and um I don't agree with that ideology at all um so on these pronouns

you see what she's doing here I'm going to get into this more in a little bit because I think it's important what she's trying to do is as really turn the entire country into a game of shirts for skins, but where violence is in play, right? Like any act of violence, any wrongdoing against any MAGA person is the responsibility of any non-Maga person. And I reject that altogether. And I reject this little pronoun game play that she uses here. I think that she should speak in I sentences and use singular sentences rather than in trying

to create some broader responsibility around actions that she was offended by. And this is particularly cute when it comes to Charlie. I want to read what she wrote again. One of yours killed Charlie, and then you laughed at our pain. I didn't do that. And people, I think, who are genuine about their sadness over Charlie's assassination, I don't think would do this, would try to poison

the dialogue in our country like this in his name because one of mine didn't kill Charlie unless you are talking about a human or a man because he was one of those. But a deranged young man killed Charlie and it's his responsibility. And I didn't laugh at their pain.

the opposite actually I didn't protest their vigils I didn't say Charlie's to blame and I don't even know if I believe in hell so I don't I didn't say he was in hell I didn't lie about the killer's motives the opposite actually I've been trying to do my best to make sure that everybody gets the best possible information about the killer's motives and I I've I've rejected some of the conspiracy theories being pushed both on the right and the left about you know know, whether the bullet went through his neck and with the text messages. And I think the killer's motives are pretty clear that he had a trans roommate. He was upset by Charlie's hate. He also had easy access to firearms. He also had easy access to firearms. He was taught how to use high-power firearms as a young person. He spent a lot of time in his VR headset and the carvings and the bullets are related to, like, the games that he was playing online and the conversations he was having in Discord.

So I think all this is pretty straightforward. If this was an episode of Law and Order SVU, I think it'd be boring. It's like, okay, well, the killer admitted it in three places. And the ammunition carvings match what he's doing in private. It's like open and shut cases, the 10-minute episode of SVU. So I did not do that. I don't think other people should participate in the conspiracy theories around this either. She said, you put all of us in danger by not admitting the truth and then not relenting on the lies you tell about us.

Again, like, there's nothing, there's no specific. It's just smearing. This is just like, she's broad-based smearing everyone in order to incite, right? That's what Megan Kelly's doing, right? It's like, if there's one person anywhere in the world that did any of these things, then Tim is responsible for it, then all Democrats are responsible for it. Then anyone that voted for Kamala Harris, even if they're not a Democrat is voted for, is responsible for it.

Like, that's where she has landed. It's extremely gross and dangerous. Her tweet goes on a long way. If you want to keep reading it, she has a lot of other. concerns but it ends like this so no we don't care what you say about tom homin we do not trust you we only care about defeating you again like defeating who defeating what are you trying to defeat like the democratic party okay i mean i'm like technically still registered republican i voted for niki haley i mean i like i'm extremely anti-trump and i'm extremely anti their attempts to

to undermine our liberal democratic system of government but like this idea that we don't care what you say about Tom Homan this is on video. It's not about what anybody says about Tom Homan. It's people that serve the country in law enforcement have tape of him accepting

a bribe. So this is not a he said, she said situation. There's a tape. We saw he did it. I don't know what trust has nothing to do with it. I guess unless you don't trust your own lying eyes. what she's trying to do is undermine trust so that anybody

that is not part of MAGA that did not vote for Donald Trump can't be trusted in any way and so then you can never trust anything except for Donald Trump himself right like that this is the ethos of a cult I replied to her twice once mentioned the pronoun usage

that I just laid out and then once one more time laying out the situation with Charlie here's my second reply that she ends up applying to one more thing Charlie's assassin is accountable for his actions I'm accountable for mine you're accountable for yours that's how things work

in a liberal demise democracy, and that's how Christians know God judges us. My show focused on the tragedy of Charlie's killing. There was deep sadness, not glee. I did not laugh or lie. His death struck me deeply. It was hard to get out of bed, to be honest. It scared people in my family. I began my show by decrying anyone that participated in the behavior you object to in the wake of his death. I reject your slander of your fellow Americans. I abhor this attempt to accelerate us into a civil war where half the country are made responsible for the actions of one sick kid. One day I hope you, Megan, will reflect on the ways you have used your friend's assassination

to further poison the country for his kids and ours. So that's it. Again, that was pretty blunt, but also honest. I was trying to share my actual feelings about this, try to take this away from this imaginary online Twitter war and replace it. it with, no, Megan, I'm a human you've met. You know me. I'm sharing you what my real feelings were and what my actual behavior was. I didn't expect you watched every show of mine after Charlie Kirk's death. But if you want to know what I actually said, and if you want to engage

on our disagreements, let's do that rather than do this thing where you paint everybody as the worst example of the counter side. George W. Bush once said after a funeral that too often we judge other groups by their worst example and ours by our best intentions. And that's what Megan Kelly's trying to do here. She's trying to take the worst example of some person on the left she can find and condemn everybody with it rather than actually engaging with the person that she's talking to, right? Because that's inconvenient. That's hard.

And so instead of doing that, instead of like engaging with me on the merits, instead of responding to my actual actions, Um, what she does is play another, is play another pronoun game. Okay. She plays another pronoun game. She applies with, she ignores all the parts about how I behaved and then says, he thinks we, we are the ones responsible for pushing this country toward a civil war.

The absolute gall. I just want to end with this. I don't think that. I don't think we, I don't know who we is, Megan Kelly and all of our listeners. I don't think everybody is, and that group is responsible for pushing the country into the civil war.

I think there are specific people that are. I think that fellow MAGA podcaster Tim Poole, we'll put this up on the screen, has tweeted about Civil War dozens of times. I think that's concerning. I think he's partially responsible. I think that Mega Kelly is by her behavior, by her actions, by acting like that this is a all-or-nothing war between MAGA and anti-Maga, between the pro-democracy side and the pro-Trump side,

and that nobody on the anti-Trump's side can be trusted, that all of them must be treated as an enemy combatant, that all of them must carry the baggage of the worst actor in the entire country that voted against Donald Trump and that they must be defeated at all costs. That is the view of fascism. That is not the view of liberal democracy. That is not a Christian view.

That's not a view of any organized religion, where you judge and condemn people just because they disagreed with you in various politics. I think that her behavior is extremely scary and insightful. And I think that we almost call it out. We almost call it out. They're all doing. When I say they, I mean, these mega podcasters and influencers, you see this trick all the time. Carl Rove actually just kind of shouted this out in the Wall Street Journal recently.

He says that they killed Charlie. They did this. stated that. No, Tyler Robinson killed Charlie. I covered that story and did some of the best of my ability in a way that was truthful, in a way that was true to my feelings about it, in a way that educated the audience. Megan Kelly used his assassination to try to further divide and incite us to spread lies and smear people. And I think rather than trying to condemn half of the country, based on the behavior of any person. Teller Robinson should be judged harshly for his behavior.

And I think hopefully he'll suffer the consequences of it. I want to be judged for mine. And I think Megan Kelly needs to be judged for hers. And in my view, her behavior has been absolutely appalling. All right, everybody subscribe to the feed. I appreciate it. Thanks for listening to all of this. We'll be talking to you soon.