Bulwark Takes - Tim Miller’s HISTORIC Summit with Barstool's KFC

Episode Date: October 4, 2025

Tim Miller invades Barstool HQ for a real talk with KFC about Trump, politics, and “free speech.”

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For folks who don't know, Barstool, it's an unbelievably popular site that began a sports, but now does sports culture, some politics, reality shows, a bunch of stuff. And, you know, they tend to have a reputation as being fratty. So their biggest names, like Dave Portnoy had interviewed President Trump and they've got some prominent folks that are pretty MAGA. And so a lot of times people in Democratic world look at Barstool and see it as, you know, I don't know, what would be the pejorative? Just a bunch of a bunch of fucking dude bros who just care about tiths and are kind of crass and are not natural allies to the down. Democrats. And I've just, I can, I just reject that world view. I always have. I think that a lot of these guys were Obama voters. And I think that it's incumbent on the Democrats to try to get them back.

And it doesn't mean that they just got to prioritize frat pros over every other demo. But it does mean there's got to be like a concerted effort to reach out to them, just like there was a conservative effort to reach out to any demographic. And so I went over there, shout with this guy, KFC, Kevin Clancy. And, uh, K. K. He's one of the more visible guys over there. And he had, did this really compelling Instagram, pushing back against the FCC efforts to bully stations

into not carrying Kimmel. And I kind of did a deep dive on this and educated a lot of his followers about like the corruption that was really at play here in addition to the free speech threats. And so I reached out to him. And he's like, yeah, come on by. So I was in the bar. Arsenal headquarters, you'll see me. I'm in the seat, the KFC usually sits in because I'm interviewing him for our channel. And I thought it was cool that they hosted us. I was really appreciative. And I think this conversation should be a wake-up call to a lot of people about a lot of Democrats that is, a lot of people in the pro-democracy movement, about just how many votes were left on the table by not actually trying to engage what's a massive demographic in this country.

And so anyway, I think it was interesting to hear KFC's take on what the Democrats could do. We also had some fun at the expense of these fucking free speech comedians who are going over to Saudi Arabia and doing comedy sets that are approved by the Crown Prince. And, man, we talked about a wide range of issues. I thought it was going to be like 20 minutes. I think we almost went for an hour. So I hope you guys enjoyed as much as I did and try to do a series of these. Obviously, I talked to Kurt Benahan a couple weeks ago. If you miss that, we'll put a link in the show notes.

Hopefully it's as valuable for you as it is for me. And let me know you think in the comments. Subscribe to the feed. Thanks a bunch again to KFC for being willing to do this and for hosting me. And we'll be talking to you all soon. All right, guys, this is a new one. I'm doing something different. I'm at Barstool, HQ in New York.

I didn't think I'd be here. I'm in the dad chair for the KFC show. And I wanted to talk politics with them. He's like come do it in the studio rather than on Zoom. This is way better. It's so much better. I would rather, you know, it's our setting and backdrop. up, but your show, and I'd rather do it in person.

I can't, the Zoom, man, we did it when we had to do it. Now, everyone who still wants to keep doing Zoom, no, it's over. I like human contact. Yeah, I'm a person who enjoys. If you're here having conversations, like, yes, you have to. We've got to get people out of the, off the video game headsets, bro. I'm worried about our young youth. It's crazy how much, like, people latched on to, like, working from home and doing things remote

and, like, do not give it up, you know? Like, it's kind of returned. You guys are packed here. Yeah. What did you guys do during COVID here? Were there no COVID, no COVID at first of all? I mean, we didn't. Yeah, COVID doesn't exist.

COVID didn't exist at first of us. We, you know, we took precautions, but we were back in, in studio and at least some of us, like, that summer. Like everything kind of, what, everything popped off right from when turned from 2019 to 2020. Yeah. By like that summer, we were like, we're back. Yeah. But it also was, there was so few people. It was like, in a weird way, we were still.

You're kind of socially distanced. Yeah. Like, we are little. crew was not socially distancing but like no one else you know so we followed the rules and all that but we got back to work pretty quickly so when everyone was when everyone else years later was like it's time to go back to work we were like yeah yeah we've been here all right well this whole thing started because after the jimmie kennel shenanigans where he got bullied by brendon car um and uh well really he didn't get bullied i guess next star and and disney and stuff we're getting bullied by brendon car

a bunch of like barstool type folks comedian folks free speech guys that had been like Trumpy or Trump adjacent like spoke out like this is bullshit and so we did a video about it on this channel that included your included a like a pretty detailed breakdown that you did and I was like man this guy like is actually doing like this is not just

I got actual research about the way that because a lot of my viewers I'm just to be honest like they stereotype you all yeah and they're like it's dumb fucking bros and they just want to say pussy and like that's the only reason that they like Trump and there's maybe a little bit of that but like you're out here going no like what's happening here is they want a merger

and the federal government is cracking down on free speech you know as part of like a corrupt deal and like that anybody that is for free speech should be against that and kind of broke down like the next star side of it and what they're trying up what they're trying to do in the merger and like that what like inspired you to like go so deep on that well so i i first of all i got a kick out of when you guys talked about it a bunch of people sent it to me um being like and and i know that it was not meant in like a derogatory way but it was like this guy is floored that you can

put together a human thought I was worried that you read it seemed like you read actually well so what happened was I am about as in the middle as you can get and so there are people that I describe it as there are people

I hate on both sides that's really what it comes down to Jimmy Kimmel I don't really care for him I find him to be almost as not as bad as I just feel like he's the other side that creates division and arguing. And so whatever, I have my issue with him. When it first happened, I didn't, I didn't know about the government.

I didn't know about the mergers, all that. So I thought of a point of view of just like, yeah, this guy, like, he's an asshole, fuck him. That sort of reaction. His ratings suck. Yeah. And I just, you know, I don't care for, I have a problem in general with how everybody comics hosts, everything has been politicized. Yeah.

So that bothers me. But that's just a personal opinion I have. and that was my take on it was just my personal opinion. Then I learned because, you know, the videos I do are usually just like reactionary. And then I learned about the merger and the FCC and everything. And I've also very pretty recently almost had this epiphany of like, if I'm wrong,

I'm going to say it. If I don't know something I'm going to say it. And I don't think of that as flip flopping or backtracking. So I was just like, oh, I made a video and I sounded like an asshole. And I was totally wrong. and so you might be as well you might be as well so here are like the facts and I so I felt you know really compelled to make sure I

cleaned up what I said which is annoying though because you know the first video did like a million views and this one does half a million and I was like so there's like 500,000 people out there who I only saw that opinion well you got some new people on my channel that didn't see the first video so there you go all right so even now yeah what like what was the response you got to that like were people pissed at you yeah it's funny I mean because I'm in the middle like I'll I do

videos one way or the other, sympathizing, hating, whatever. And every time I do that, you know, I lose a bunch of followers over here, gain a bunch of followers over there. People get very confused by me. They're all like, I get a lot of messages being like, so what are you? Are you liberal? Are you a conservative? And like, this is the problem, first of all, that you feel the need to like press me and find out and you can't just have opinions in general. But so the reaction was like, when I put up the first video, there was a bunch of people being like, yeah, fuck Kimo. And then I put out the second video and people are like, no, no, no, no, this is still, you know, whatever. So it's, it's a mixed bag when, when, because

there's just so many people on each side to piss off. Like every time it feels, it's often why I try to avoid politics from a like a business point of view. I'm like, there's not much to gain here. You just like can't do it now. It's interesting. Like there are a lot of guys like you like Clay Travis used to be in this boat who used to say like, we just going to get politics out of sports. And now there's a lot of like middle of the road, maybe center right, you'd say folks that are like, I don't love that they got like end racism. in the end zone and like we're just we're having to that stuff is getting so politicized and it's like the stance for a while then was like we need to get politics out of sports and now i feel like

trump won again and like these guys types of guys who used to say that are like now like puffing their chest up and be like oh man we need we need like charlie kirk memorials outside the stadium you know like we want we need the flyover it's it's we want your politics out of sports but my politics put it everywhere. And I, this is my problem with, with the whole scene right now

from comics to guys like Clay Travis to whoever. I think I know that world enough. I don't know all these people personally or individually, but I, in general, I think understand.

I think all those guys are worried about how many tickets they're selling, how many followers they're getting, how many views they're getting in the algorithm, and politics has become a way to do that. And I think that's where you,

it's dangerous. where at the end of the day, if ever, this, like, crazy political wave ends, those guys are on to the next thing that will benefit them professionally. Some of them probably have, like, real ideals, real thoughts, and it matters to them. But I think a lot of them are just like, this is benefiting me right now. And that's where I think we run into the issue is, like, do you actually care about this stuff? Or is it just you're going to get a lot of attention? And you can benefit personally and professionally from that.

That's the issue. And the more agro, the more attention. Yes, yeah. Yeah. And that's so, so it's like escalating. Yeah, and I think at least, I mean, politics has always been corrupt and there's plenty of bad people and assholes and all that. But I do think, you know, several years ago, I guess a long time ago now, the people really involved in it, actual politicians and then the people who are discussing it and engaged in it actually care about the issues and the substance. And I don't think that's the case anymore.

All right. I want to run through a couple of the issues, but just to like baseline for people. So you say you're in the middle. You say you hate people on both sides. It's like, who'd you vote? Okay. You're going to hate me for this. I didn't vote.

You didn't vote. No. No, actually, that goes again. That goes, no. Literally, one of my big schicks right now is that we need more of the bros who don't pay attention to politics to just not vote. Yes. Nothing wrong with not voting. So I used to be like.

No shame and not voting if you don't feel like you're, you know. I never voted because I was like I'm not informed enough. I don't know. I shouldn't be. I shouldn't be influenced. of this, you know? And I used to kind of be, like, embarrassed of that. And I know, you know, there are people who are like, it's our right. And there are people who don't have this right. And by you not exercising it, you're like spitting in all this stuff that I understand

where that's coming from. Never, more so now than ever, like, I feel vindicated in being like this. You know what I mean? Like, have never voted? Or you just didn't vote this time? You've never voted a single time? No. Really? Like, you're not registered? You don't know how to vote? You've never, you've not been curious like what happens behind the curtain? I, I, I am, yeah, No, I genuinely think that like, and I'm sure you're probably like, why am I sitting down with this guy now? No, I love this. No, this is great. I, like, my. You're, you're the representative of the people. That's why I'm sitting down with you. And you know, well, that's a media. You're a median voter stand in. I, I, I would, I would say, um, I would, I believe that like the, the people who should vote. Yeah. is like a very, very small. Okay, we're going back to the 1700s.

Yeah, and I know, like, why we can't do that, but I'm just like, everything else in the world that really matters, you need to, like, study, pass a test, be, you know, like have a certification, have knowledge, and, and then there's this. So who would you have voted for, do you think? If you had to, if you got to, if you were the king, you were the chooser and you got to do this last election?

Yeah. God damn. I mean, it is truly like I would be, I would not, feel good either way. I really had my deep issues both ways. The pressure's on. I would say though, I'm like, when you say center right, I would be center left. Okay. So you

would have been, you would have picked combo? I really, I'm not, I'm not trying to cop out here. I like genuinely. That's pretty concerning. I can't in good conscience say that I would vote for her. Yeah. Why? I think that again, my limited knowledge, but like I think she was not,

they hid her for like three years and then we're like, no, no, no, wait. She's the best thing in the world. And I was like, she was so, such a ghost for the rest of that administration to then have them turn around and try to shove that down our throats and like, look how much money she raised. It's like, none of that is indicative of anything. Don't apologize for this. This is actually, like, really important.

And it's something that I talk about a lot. Like, if you identify as a center left person, whatever that means to you, and you have issues with Trump, you don't like Trump and you're kind of in this sort of cultural milieu that's a little more right, right? And like, you didn't have confidence. enough to say, like, I definitely would want Kamala over him. Like, that's a failing of Kamala, not you, right? Like, I mean, you probably have some moral failings as well. We'll get into this later. But, like, that's a strategic failing of Kamala, right? And, like, they need,

and in this world, like, in 2024, 2025, like, you cannot run the 1990 strategy. You know what I mean? Where you're hiding and you're just giving big speeches and whatever. Like, people want to be able to feel you and know you and have confidence in you. And they didn't have confidence in her enough to put her out there. I think she would have been fine, actually, but we will never know. I don't know. I mean, I got to spend some time with her. I think that she's cautious. She's a cautious

person by nature. Some of that might be being a black woman and kind of be out there and just the kind of heat you get. But she also is cautious for, you know, there are other black women that are in public space that aren't that cautious, right? So it's not all identity. But like, she definitely was cautious. But if you got time with her, like,

she wasn't fucking stupid. I mean, she became the vice president. That's what I mean. But, like, you got to demonstrate that to people. It's a very funny thing when I, when you hear like regular average people who are absolutely stupid claiming that some, any of these people are like idiots. You know, it's like they, they're talking about people who are very successful or lawyers or whatever that like, okay, maybe they're not the smartest.

Maybe you don't agree with them. But you can't be like these people are trash off the street idiots, you know? I just felt like So wait, you're saying You think if she had more than What was 107 days or whatever I don't think no I don't think more days

I just I think they should have put her out Like she did good Let me see what you think What did you think about the one debate With Trump Between her and Trump I thought she did good I thought she did good

Yeah yeah I thought that was like The first time that like I was like oh okay You can kind of stand around to This is what I was saying at the time Is that like Trump Said he'd do another debate

But only on Fox And people were like No I'm not gonna do that Fuck that'll be biased I'll be like, no, actually, if she should have said, yeah, go into Fox. If you beat him on Fox, then all of a sudden becomes hard for, like, somebody like you to be like, oh, they're hiding her. She's dumb.

Like, it's like, oh, no, she went into the fire. And one on her, on his turf. Right. And so that would have helped, but I think she should have done more podcasts, more. And she did that one with, what's his name, Stephen Jackson, a couple of the basketball guys with all the smoke. Yeah, all the smoke. Yep.

That was fine. And that was fine. I listened to it, but like, you know, and then she did the one with the call her daddy gal. But, like, that was very scripted. That's the problem is they, they, they, it was a very much a half measure. It's like they, they, they picked and choose where she was going to go and what they're going to talk about and how they're going to do it. And it's a, it's a fine line for me because part of me thinks I don't want podcasts and comedy and all that at all influencing this. Yeah.

But it's also the nature of the, of the world now, you know, I can't put my head in the sand. So you got to go, she had to, she had to do Rogan. She had to do it. She had to do those things that, because. Because it's almost, it's not even about- You can't be scared of Theo. Like, he's my Louisiana guy. He's just a fucking, he's not going to, like, grill you.

You're going to have some laugh. He doesn't know enough to grill you. Like, God love him. You know what I mean? And that, to me, it's not even necessarily what you say or do in those interviews. Like, I don't really, I can't think of any moments from the Trump, Rogan sit down that, like, mattered. It was just that he did it. And he showed the ability to just talk for three hours.

Yeah. So if you're out there, I kept saying this at the time about the people. the Trump Rogan thing because he did there was some like dumb clips that like people in my world like anti-trump world like we jump on yeah jumped on those clips here's a dumb thing and they were dumb they weren't so dumb that I can remember what they were now right but like they weren't great but I watched the whole thing and I was like if you're one of these people that's like just a rogan guy right which is like I'm culturally conservative I didn't I don't like some of the COVID's you know lockdown stuff but like you know I'm cool with gays and I'm not I'm not for all this nasty port you know what I mean like

that type of guy, and you have people out there telling you Trump's a Nazi, like Trump is going to be a fascist, Trump's a total lunatic, he's going to end the democracy. And then you're like, you sit there and watch him with Rogan for three hours and they like, you just like chop it up, normal guy. And you're just kind of like, I don't know, man. He beat expect, like the expectations were set for him. Yes. In a way that like allowed him to succeed in that environment. I think the number one thing that is appealing about Trump to non-political people is the non-politics of it all like he does speak like a normal human yeah um and that comes at times a lot of times it can come across as like uneducated or or sounds stupid or whatever but it's not

robotic and it's not you you you don't think you're just getting a canned response jammed down your throat i would love that about him if it didn't come with a lot of other problematic shit so what don't you like about um i i think he much like uh i think he's in it for the wrong reasons is ultimately what it comes down to i think he's just it's insane to me that some of these people who like Donald Trump would like spit on and wouldn't give them, you know, a sip of water if they were dying in the desert, think that he represents them. And, and he speaks for them. And you're talking about like how like the corruption stuff, like the crypto cash and the, and the putting his name on golf courses and wants to be on

Mount Rushmore. You're talking about like the narcissism stuff? Yeah, yeah. I think it's it's about money and power and success for him. And it happens to be that becoming the president is the biggest display of those things. You know, once he conquered real estate and then reality TV, you just need to keep going. And that ended up being the president. I don't think he really cares about the issues one way or the other. I think if he thought he could win an election by being liberal, he would do that too. Like, I think he just goes wherever the money is. I mean, I'm sure some of these issues he cares about. He's an old white man and they're set in their ways. But I think he's just an opportunist and like

so like we're like nine months in like just the actual like policy stuff is there anything that you've been like that's really good or that fucking sucks like that that really pissed me off um immigration stuff is weird for me like I try not to you know it's I think it's very different depending on where you live in the country you know what I mean

like to me I'm like what's the problem and I'm sure if you live in a border state you're like there's a problem yeah sure I it's the ice stuff bothers me uh the masks what's that the masks like that the masks like that they're in masks and, like, hassling people? Yeah, I think, I think that's, I, I don't think you need to be, like, ripping families apart. And I almost feel like they are, like, seeking that out in a way, you know, it's like,

control the border. Everyone's got to be legal. I understand that. But the methods for which you're, you're going about it drives me bonkers. And then also, this isn't, I mean, my, I have a, my, if there was, like, one issue that I would really latch on to school shootings, guns, that drives me, like, fucking insane. And I know that there hasn't been anything specifically policy. about that, but I just feel like that's like an issue of mine with the right is they're not

even trying to solve it. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's insane to me. I think it's so beyond politics, parties, all that. And the fact that there is like, I'm always, I know it's a new one. I don't believe that, but I understand in a country this size that there's, it's going to be borderline impossible to try to enforce some of these things. And you can argue all the elements inside of it, but I'm like, can we try? Yeah. You know? And if I'm wrong somehow, fine. You can go back to the way it was. So that that would be politically like where I get hung up, although I know that hasn't been like the focus of this administration.

Good stuff. Good stuff. What do people like? But I also, by the way, I wouldn't necessarily say that about. I think people like the anti-what. Like they like that there's no more DEI hiring.

I don't know. Do you care about that? But like people, people would say that. They would say the border is good. I think the DEI stuff is like if it's done appropriately, I think it's a good. thing. And if it's done inappropriately, it's like almost any other issue in the world.

But yeah, economy. How are you feeling about? I, maybe I'm wrong on this. Do you, I feel like the economy is independent of the president in general. And I feel like you get, you get all the credit when it's good and you get all the blame when it's bad, but I don't think. I think that's usually true. I think the tariff thing has been a pretty different example because it's just like kind of random. The tariffs is another one where it's like, what I love for America to be like self-sufficient and have everything. Yes. But like, can you just throw a 80% tax on it? make it happen overnight? Probably not.

As a stand-in for your fellow middle-of-the-road white bros, do you think that your immigration thoughts is representative? I don't know. Because I asked this because of this. A lot of Democrats are kind of scared to talk about immigration

because they've internalized that Biden fucked out the border, which he did, and that immigration's a winning issue for Trump. And so they shouldn't talk about it because it's a loser for them. And I'm kind of like,

I don't know, man. I think that most middle-the-road people don't want fucking mass dudes taking people that are gardening. I think you're pretty fucking crazy if you think that. Like I think you're an absolute bat shit crazy person if you're like, that's good. So by the way, just before we speak specifically on that, what you just described, I think, is the problem with everything.

Like, I go back to politics used to be people who actually cared about the issues. So if a guy that you don't like or you want to lose agrees with you on an issue or does something that benefits that issue, you should be able to say, like, that's a good thing. To ignore, if something good is happening in immigration and you're just like, okay, well, we can't talk about that because that's a point for him. When one of your ideologies or tenants or beliefs is that thing, that to me is almost the root of all of these problems. I've been saying that politics has become like sports. You have a fan of one team and a fan of the other team. And when I'm a sports fan, I'm irrational and illogical because we're just talking about sports. If I tell you that the

Yankees suck when they're in the World Series. Like, obviously that's not true, but I'm going to, I'll argue every angle I possibly can because at the end of the day, this doesn't really matter. When you apply that same fanaticism. Shout and old ladies in Fuller to Gators hats outside Tiger Stadium. I don't fucking care. You are my enemy if you're in blue and orange. Exactly.

And so, but when you apply that same fanaticism of sports to issues that of like life and death or, you know, families and all that, that's a big problem. as far and as far as the actual immigration stuff yeah like I mean in my experience I love Mexican people they work so hard and are so polite they do all the stuff that I can't fucking do and don't know how to do I love them

Beeria tacos so hot right now everybody's into beeria but but I I also understand that you think that's representative or do you think that there's like I don't know man you're walking out there like I was walking through the like how many of those people were like hell yeah get them out I by the way in general, I can only speak for Barcelona.

I don't know about the rest of the Manosphere. I would say 99% of people here are liberal. Liberal? Yes. In the sense that they're not like, I want mass deportations and I fucking, like gay people do not get married? I think like liberal like how?

I think straight up liberal. Like in every sense of the word, how they voted, what they believe in. I think you'll get a lot of I'm... Why do you think the perception is otherwise? I think Dave is. probably, you know, leans more right. But like, Dave,

a lot of people here are your typical. I'm socially liberal, fiscally conservative, which is, I think, the most, like, basic kind of cop-out thing in the world. But it's true. Like, how many chomelifoters are out there, you think? I would, I, I really think the, like, the vast majority. Yes. Yes. Really? Would you agree with that, Jackie? I would 1,000% like,

like, Dave is a big, uh, a big part of it. And then, like, Jack Mack, there's another guy, Jack Mack. We make fun of him because he, him, I would say if I was really to list off like the conservatives, I could probably name it on one hand and I can like specifically think of who it is. And they're all by the way, like normal conservatives. They're not fucking crazy people like Trump magafreeks. But we make fun of, we call Jack Mack.

I call him a proud boy, like being very exaggerating and he's not one. But to the point that the people who are or at least are publicly so are pretty much the vast, vast minority. This is important though because it is true. Tell me if this is wrong. You guys don't know if it's wrong. like okay out of that demo though

people that work here but also like super fans people engage with all this stuff right like Obama did way better than Kamala though yeah like there was there was drop off in vote like Democrat yeah yeah yeah yeah

like there was less excitement about like maybe even if they voted for granted there's less excitement about it there's more ugh you know maybe people sitting in it right is that not right like oh yeah I would agree with that for sure yeah and so like that to me means

that like these are getable people both that work here but also kind of in the consuming of the content that are getable that they're just not getting. That's probably the best way to describe it. Like, I don't know everybody's politics, but I do know that very few are like entrenched in their beliefs one way or the other, to be honest.

And our getable is like, that should be the campaign slogan for the next time we're going to be. 2028, getable. So you were like the, well, is there a ringer rivalry here? Can I bring up the Simmons pod? Yeah, that's that touchy. Simmons had the thing always where he was like the NFL coach should have a,

have like a kid that plays video games on the sidelines next to them all the time. Just like, is this thing I'm doing stupid? Yes. You know, because kids that are playing out hours of video games, you know, can give you a common sense suggestion. It's like if you were just brought in to like a Democratic campaign, is just like white guy common sense director. Like that's your only job.

I've said this before. I want to be the director of common sense for the White House. What would you tell them? What would you tell, whoever it is? that's the next Democrat that they should do to get to get more guys like you. I'm like going through this in real time because I know the typical trope is the left needs to find their version of Joe Rogan. That's said so much, right?

First of all, it was Joe Rogan. Yeah, right. Right? Like you had him and you blew it, lost it, however you want to. Rogan's an interesting one because I think he's a political guy, but like because of his success almost. I think there's a world where he would have just kept talking about aliens and weird shit, but became so big and COVID

fucking radicalized yeah yeah yeah and then I also can understand from his point of view at least like when CNN puts up a video where they change the color of your face and they're trying to fuck with you that's what breeds like

okay we'll fuck you right back and that's how we get in this that's like my problem on a lesser scale with Kimmel and these guys when you throw shots they throw shots back and even what you mentioned before the worst thing that I think the Democratic Party did was

calling Trump and everyone Nazis because it makes you be like But Trump calls Democrats evil and shit. Why does he get away with that? But the Democrats don't get away with it. Well, he's got the seat right now. Yeah, I agree that that's a double standard that shouldn't exist. But I do think in order to like beat this, I don't know if engaging in there.

So you tell him like what? Like would it be changing issues or just be like talk more normal? Oh, stop saying woke words. Yeah. I mean, like I also believe that I don't even know if you do need to like find your Rogan because then I think you're engaging in this back and forth. I would say, I think the biggest problem is, if you were to generalize, I think, like, the right is assholes and the left is our pussies. And I think people would rather be an asshole than be a pussy.

And I think you need to make it kind of figure out a way to combat that like cuck, lib cuck, woke pussy, soy boy beta, whatever. So I'm not the person to put, I'm not the savior then. Yeah, well, I own my lib cuck, soy boy pussy status. Before any of this, it was probably like 10, 15 years ago, me and my co-host, we, when Alpha became a thing, we were like, we're beta boys. We are the beta boys. Like, we are in our feelings. I'm not a tough guy. I don't shoot guns.

I can't build a fucking house. Like, but that's the majority of people, I think. So, like, on a specific level, I think you need to somehow end on like a, yeah, like a specific, like tangible policy level. I think focusing on heavily. on trans issues and some of these issues that are, like, so small and insignificant, but then become, like, in my mind, that's what, like, being a Democrat means now. It's like some of that extreme stuff that really is not a big enough issue to make your whole party representative that. So let me just throw out an idea. So you want to butcher up, like, tougher on crime stuff.

Like, it feels like they're kind of weak on, right? So, like, that was the 90s Democrats, right? Like, 90s Democrats were tough on crime. Right. That stuff kind of changed after 2020, right? And maybe, and like standing up to Trump, but like not like name calling him, but like having some fucking backbone. Like that kind of what else? How else do you butch up if you're a lib? If you're Gavin News. Do what Gavin Newsom's doing? Do you like that?

Like the trolling shit? It, uh, the problem with it is it seems like they're not as good at it. Yeah. Like when they try to like, I, he's funny. Trump. Like he's good at like busting balls. He's going to point it at Erdogan. you see that the he was talking about he's again it's like you hate to laugh at this he's

talking about how his election was stolen which is a lie but then he's like he's like you know a lot about elections that's funny it's funny and like it's crazy but like the little nicknames and shit that work you know and then i think the democrats try to like go tit for tat and they're just they're not as funny they're not as personal is anybody good are there any are any good at it who could come in here and like hang with with dave like you and Dave and some down on the couch. In terms of like bust the balls and all that.

I think Pete Buttigieg just seems like a normal like a regular guy. Yeah. I mean, I don't know enough about him personally, but it seems like he, when he's talking, he's not like a fucking lunaticant.

I did not. No. But like, yeah, like I think from what I did see that, he can hang. Obama. Obama, I think Obama was like

the difference with Obama and Kamala. I'm speaking, like it was, it felt like a competence ability to do the job. thing. And again, that probably sounds so silly from me. Like, again, she's this accomplished woman, but, like, I,

they did not instill confidence. That's also a problem. I don't think they have, like, their guy. I think... Obama didn't seem scared. No, I'm scared. Yes. I get the impression that a lot of these guys are either scared, or they're like, I'm not scared, and I'm going to go at him. And it's like, but even by being that flustered

or whatever, you're kind of letting him dictate. It's tough. You can understand whether this conversation while some of our viewers will be like, this is fucking frustrating. I'm not saying that's your, but it's like, it's hard to even pinpoint what it is. Like, there's just, like, a sense, like, the vibes are that the Democrats are Pussies. Yeah.

And, and it's like, it's a little bit hard to pin down. And I also very much, uh, going against J.D. instead of Trump, would that be better? Because J.D.'s kind of a soft boy. Like, he's, like, doughy. Yeah. And he's a try hard a little bit. I think they're going to have a real problem replacing him because, like, there are people who say the same things and believe the same shit, but like, you can't replace that, you know? I wonder how that's going to be or if he even tries to pass the torch. But I also really sympathize. I always talk about this with Tommy and the Pod Save guys.

Like, it's got to be so frustrating when he's given a speech or having one of these viral moments where it's like, this is so not presidential. And so, I mean, like, yeah, I can really understand if you're, if you're like a hardcore liberal of just being like, this guy has rape charges or accusations and crime and failure. You can't speak. You can't like all these, yeah, like all these things that you're just probably like, how is this happening?

And you can't even begin to like formulate a plan because it's like so inconceivable. It's like incomprehensible that this is even the battle I have to fight. So I am I really on earth? Sometimes I do feel like am I really on earth. Sometimes I wake up and I'm like this. Am I like a simulation? I have to game plan for a made up,

you know. All right. Two other things then. just chill. If you have any, if things come up as director of common sense, just, you know, text me. You know, you're like, don't do this. Yeah. You know, because sometimes it's easier to have specific examples. I just wanted to pick your brain on like, um, on, on, on Hagseth really quick and then the Saudi thing. So Hagseth gives the speech. Did you see any of it? I, I've liked about, yeah, yeah, so clips that. So he goes out there, he brings in all the generals, all these gray hair

dudes, the dudes that came up with the plan to kill bin Laden. Like, people have been around. And he's up there and he's just doing like, did you ever see Magnolia? He's doing like that Tom Cruise, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, like the Tom Cruise motivational speaker thing is just like, we're gonna do fucking push-ups twice a year.

Kill people! We are war fighters, we are lethal. Yeah. And I'm like, okay, like, to me, like I look at that and I'm like, dude, this is so embarrassing. Like, I'm humiliated for the country, but I do wonder if I'm out of touch.

No, I thought that was a weird move. I thought that. I mean, as far as... Do you like frat bros, though, look at that? And we're like, hell yeah. You're my frat brad. translator. Yeah, but I'm not a friend. I know. This is your job,

though. You're here. They're out there. I walk through. I saw the outfits out there. Do we need to bring one of them? That is a problem, though, is that like, I get why, but like, it is a stereotype that I don't think is often that true. I think you go down south and some of these, like, but like, at least up here,

I'll look away, talk away, do sports and comedy and all that in a way, but politically is a whole different story. I thought that was weird as far as I know that was like very unorthodox right that's not like an annual meeting of the generals

that was like the first time like ever maybe so that almost gave me pause that I was just like why the fuck is this even happening and then and then seeing what I saw I'm reading what I read was like this sounds like some rah rah speech from a guy who's not in the military and I can't imagine these generals respect

him or like care about him I'm a firm believer almost at the economy being separate I think the military should be separate and like those guys need to do what they do independent of your bullshit even though you're not you know the stereotypical Tennessee frat bro

it still makes me still makes me indicative still makes me feel good the people because that's one of those where I feel like I'm doing being crazy I'm like watching this I'm like how is this real life it was this fucking real life yeah and with really no

tangible specific like reason it was just overall like we're gonna be badass right it's like I would hope I would imagine and I hope that the top generals are like is this fucking over yet so we can go back to work like just go do the actual job I hope so too. All right.

The comedy thing that's happening right now. Like, this is another thing that, like, I get frustrated with being an outsider. It's like, I am a free speech person. Like, I'm cool with all. Like, I don't, I don't, I didn't, I wasn't. And I thought that kind of, it was overstated, like the worries about cancel culture on campus and stuff. I was like, I don't know, man. Every time I speak on a campus, they're like conservative dudes there.

They feel like they can talk. But even still, like, I want everybody to feel like they can say. Well, there's a huge difference between you were on campus and in person and then on the internet. I know that's very hard to say. what just happened to Charlie Kirk. But in general, the internet is where a lot of this device is to go out. And in person, you're... That's fair point.

Yeah. So anyway, I guess my point is I want everybody to be able to speak their mind even if they have fucking terrible stupid views. Like, that's fine with me. Like, that, this is America. I'm cool with that. Yeah. I'm cool with that.

And so I was kind of on the side sometimes of, like, right wing, comedian types. We're, like, complaining about, like, liberal efforts to, you know, stifle, whatever, their ability to talk or cancel them, whatever it was. And then, okay, now we fast forward. And it's like the same dudes are going to give a speech in Saudi Arabia where they get a million dollars where there's like a contract that like lists

what they can talk about and can't talk about. A little bit weird. A little bit contradictory. Yeah. What the fuck? What is happening with that? It's a weird one. Like I think that all these guys got politicized or even in some cases radicalized if you want to say that because of the cancel culture free speech stuff. And I can understand much like when CNN was like fucking with Rogan

why he would be like, combative about it if you feel like your job and your art and your craft is being threatened and then there's a party and a person who's like we got your back you're gonna go that way so i get that um i find it tough that a lot of those guys turned around like when they were threats of war and the epstein stuff and then they were like whoa wait a minute this is not what i voted for and then there's a whole bunch of people like we fucking told you dude like if the whole world was duped okay yeah you know we voted for guy and he became a dictator we didn't see it coming when 50% of the people were like he's

gonna bait and switch you and then you're like he bait and switch me i can understand why they you know they don't deserve the sympathy for that and you know i i think theo is is like probably the best example i think theo again i don't know him personally is my thoughts i think he got in over his head like i think way over his head i think that these guys i think it's very hard if i was bigger than i am like i want to talk about politics i want to talk about everything i mean yes but but we're talking about guys who, like, literally influence the election. I'm not on that level. It's hard to be like, I'm going to talk about this stuff.

Hey, it's just my podcast. I talk about whatever I want to talk about. At some point, it's like, no, you are big. You're so big. You have to consider the possibility that ICE is going to take your liking and take your likeness and make a promo video out of it. If you have the Amish kid on the pod, do whatever you want, right? You don't need to ask her hard follow questions.

You have the vice president of the United States on the pod. Like, he's lying to you. Got to do the job. You got to do the job. Some fucking same thing, Nelk boys doing Net Yahoo. These things that are like. So crazy. So then I think that all kind of ties into the idea of free speech and doing whatever you want.

But yeah, it gets to be a little dicey when it's like, okay, these guys are now telling you what you can and can't do. I mean, just just like if we do this like hypothetical, if like Gavin Newsom, it's like some big liberal tech guys, Soros and Gavin Newsom, we're like, we want to rehab the Democratic brand. We want, we're going to pay the biggest comedians. a million bucks to come and do our comedy festival in Berkeley or whatever. The only thing is, here's the contract, like, you can't use gendered words, right? So if you have to say, you have to say male, you have to say male person. You can't say male man, you've got to say male person instead when you come. You know, you got to, your jokes have to start with a land acknowledgement.

Like, these guys would fucking annihilate them. And they would, like, it would just be material and shit for weeks. and yet they're going to fucking go and do whatever MBS tells them to do and be like, yes sir, Mr. MBS, I want the million dollars. Like, it's a pussy move. It's really what it is.

Like, it's a pussy move to go over there. So I think that's a great point and I'm just thinking through it right now. I think the difference would be that they would benefit from turning it down. The Sauros, the hypothetical Sauros News, some comedy fund.

So I think the reason why all these they you can move tickets and get followers and make money by being conservative right now yeah right so whatever bag they're offering you by saying no to the liberals you make that back over here with your fans right i i don't think there's a you're not they're not going to benefit other than like people think you're a good person for saying no yeah you know what i mean so like i think they're they want the money so it's all about the bag then that's what it is though so that That means the free speech thing is kind of bullshit. It's just about the bag. Again,

nobody cares about the ideals. They just care about the end result. They like and want free speech, not because they believe that every American should have free speech, because their job requires free speech, and that's how they make their money. Any of those dudes, I'll just,

I will give so much love to any of those dudes that make fun of MBS's micro penis. Imagine if somebody just went off script. Yeah, dude, just go over there and talk about they heard he's intersex and has a micro penis. That's what the role where it is going to work on.

And I mean like that would be that that would get a lot of credit with me. I don't see, I'm not expecting that. It's funny that you would, I would think that like conservatives would be like,

Chappelle could do that. Like what does he get to lose? And I guess he could get, I guess he could get be handed. I guess he could get, he could be put into a prison there, which is why you wouldn't do it because it's a fucking authoritarian country,

which is why you shouldn't go. Which is why you shouldn't be doing it. I think Chappelle is like the most baffling case to me. Like the guy who walked away from Comedy Central and $40 million at his peak out of morals is now deciding to sell out now makes no sense to me. I think the like Louis and Byr like some of the really, I mean, if you look at that list like nobody like needs the money really or you know, they're all doing really well. I personally when I first heard like there was a report or something that Dan and Big Hat and Dave were offered $10 million to go. And I was like, I'm fucking going. somebody puts $5 million in front of me

I'll be honest I'm going and that I really started to think through it because when I said that I was kind of like yeah no duh and a lot of people in my life where I really like value were kind of like oh that's unfortunate that you feel that way and I was like oh fuck I got to like kind of examine this and I mean of course I understand the big picture this is called being a grownup man reflection yeah and it sounds silly but it's like I of course

know why you shouldn't go but my thought is that whether that comedy festival happens or not who goes who doesn't go that ain't change changing anything. So I might as well make this money and have my family set for life. But then you know what really changed it for me? I just showed you that video,

Chappelle and Kevin Hart and these guys putting their hands in the sand, doing some sort of like customary greeting, whatever. And it made me think about like literally if you were to say yes and do that and you get on a plane and you go there and you have to like shake their hands and hug them and smile to their face.

It's a propaganda. Do the orb. They hold the hands of everybody and you have to smile in their face while they obviously are using you and trying to play you and think that you don't even know what's going on here and like that would probably almost be harder

for me than the important stuff because the important stuff unfortunately I feel like they're not going to change and you know the Middle East didn't change anytime soon so I might as well but then I thought about like spending a week there just from a point of view of like I don't even get off the couch for like my friends let alone to hang out with the fucking royal family

of Saudi Arabia. So Dave and Bigot said no I miss out. Yeah so apparently I don't know all the details but they said that but it was funny they were like don't get it twisted we we made an offer and they just didn't meet our offer so I think the way Dan posed it was if it was 15 million

they would have gone I don't know why they drew the line at five versus seven and a half but everybody's got to have a line man everybody was funny that so that story came out and they said yeah we turned it down and they got some props for it but but you know

I don't know it's just funny when it's like well we would have gone but we didn't and then once they I think when they realized how kind of social value you get out to beat you guys who said no. They were like, yeah, we said no. And the last same, but like on the barstrel stuff, like the live shit was so depressing to me

just as a cultural thing. Like my boy Rory, like takes a moral stand. Brother from my mother. Yeah, so I can take some moral stand against the Saudis. And, and, you know, he got like gassed up about that for a while. And I was like, look, see, like, you can do this.

You can take a moral stand. You can still make money. And like, you can still fucking golf. And you don't have to take the Saudi blood money. We need somebody like Rory. out there in the world. Fucking fast forward a year. And it's like, no,

Liv cuts a deal with PGA. Rory, like apologizes basically for doing the right thing. And like all the fucking assholes, like Bryson that took the fucking bag from Saudi, like walking, and Phil Mickelson or like walking around like,

like their worldview is vindicated. I'm like, man, this sucks. It does. It sucks. And it's like, that's why I was very, I mean,

I just can't understand those guys. All those golfers, comedians, like, you got the money. How much? Oh, you need. Yeah. Like, I can understand if you are not rich.

You don't have a plane. You get to the plane. I get it. I get it. Not having to do Southwest and being at the FBI is really nice. Once you've got the plane, though. Seems. Feels like a second plane is not really, like there's diminishing returns.

Unfortunately, it's very indicative of like what motivates people and like, there's more, more, more. I mean, a lot of, especially a lot of those comics, they remember when they were eating, fucking, you know, free mozzarella sticks was why they went to the club because, you know, they had no money. and now, I mean, but again, like, I can't say that I would, I would just not entertain it. Yeah, sure. And I, and I wish that wasn't the case.

I do. I'm wondering why, like, I feel like there is like a hopelessness where it's like, I don't think me going or not going impacts things one percent. And that also maybe, maybe it does with Dave Chappelle. It matters to you. No, like, but yeah, yeah, for sure. Like, it matters. You have to be able to sleep at night.

I get that. But I can, I think the reason why some people are saying yes is because it's like, I mean, Pete Davidson say yes. Dad, line and night alone. Like, part of me it for me to tell you what you should do to honor your father's memory, but it's fucking weird. I think the most justified person going there is Pete Davidson. If he's okay with it, then who am I?

You know? That is bat shit crazy. That one. That one's hard to reconcile. But it's, I really, it's all always from Kimmel to the comedy. It comes back to money and power. And, all right, bro, I appreciate this, man. I just, I think it's really, like, I don't think.

you have maybe you do now like i don't know if people around here have any idea like the warped view that like the lib bubble has of barstool oh no i get it i mean like they're of the view that like everybody that like is into barstall and does barstrel stuff is like a maga right winger that's irredeemable but like there's no point even trying to get their vote and like it's like totally wrong it's insane it's i like i just think it's important to do this totally can be like oh right no actually humans you they are also humans i stopped like even to like deny it, defend it, argue, show. Because it's just like, we've almost been politicized.

I mean, I get it. Also, Dave means very right in least in recent years. As you said, a lot of the fans are different. Representative. Yeah. Yeah. But I think that's part of the problem is like, we just take entertainers or companies or whatever.

And it's like, you're left, you're right. I hate you. I don't like you. And, you know, even, you said something earlier that was like, fuck, I can't remember what it was, but you were sort of like, I actually agree with what he said. And just the mere fact that I think you feel like you have to, like, put out a disclaimer or a qualifier.

It's like you should be able to agree and disagree with people on different issues that it's never just a blanket statement, you know? Let me ask you this. Like, I think one of the biggest problems and like, why I go back to why I seemingly can't bring myself to vote. I think the two-party system is like a big problem. Is that, am I off base? And second part is, I don't think it's going to ever, can you change that? We were one of the first fucking democracies. And if you look at the people that learned from us, like most, you know, the German democracy is not, like 10 parties.

And there's a lot of ways that the German system is better than ours. Women, minorities, like, they learned from us. You know, I may have to go through Hitler first and all that. But like they came out the other side, they had like 150 years have been like, oh, wait, we should do it like. And so now the system sucks. I think the, I think that there is. No real hope for a permanent third party. I do think that, like, I wish people would start third parties in, like, states.

So I'm in Louisiana. And I wish that, like, somebody would just start. I wish the Democrats would basically go extinct in Louisiana and something else would emerge. Like, and then, you know, maybe that party just exists, like, in the south and in, like, Utah and I don't know or something, you know. And it's like, here's the alternative. You know, and it doesn't have some of the baggage of the National Party. And maybe there's an inverse of that in California, you know, and. Okay, you know what you're describing?

my most radical idea this country's too big bro break up the country we need to break up this country there's just no way I'm breaking up California because the Democrats need more Senate states

and I think I think you don't help you get I just think like there's no way that my values and concerns and whatever in the Northeast are ever going to align

with someone from like Alabama like we're different countries effectively like we're living it's so physically big and so I know but it's just like why why should

Should I be voting on the border when I don't... I have to move out of New Orleans or I'd lose the SEC. Bro. I don't... You're out. You're out. Yeah, you lose football. You can come live in like a lib heaven.

We're just to stay together. You could be in a Lib Cuck empire up in the northeast. Here's my other optimistic view for you. Because I always get the... Could there be a third-party presidential question from somebody? And they always want, like, somebody like of my politics, which is like the cliche one. You just mentioned, like, more physically conservative, more socially liberal. There just aren't enough people like that out there.

Like the inverse. think so? No, no, they're not. The inverse could work, though. A famous person, a barstool person type person who has like, not like evangelical Christian conservative views, but like has some conservative views, has some stuff that makes me a little uncomfortable, you know, maybe some of their views on like, on trans stuff, front games, whatever, like, you know, I don't, I'm not saying that they're like far,

far right, but like they have some conservative cultural vibes, you know, and they're economically like Bernie. Yeah. So I don't, this is not something somebody would appeal to me at all. That third party would be interesting because that, that third party would divide both parties

because like there are a lot of like socially conservative people in the Republican Party that wish that like aren't on board for like the corporate tax cut checks they're not rich. Right. And there's some Dems, you know,

that want the lefty populist stuff. Yeah. And aren't as, you know, that aren't on board with like the full loke kind of agenda. I think that probably would have to be a really famous person. Yeah.

yeah like really famous right and they'd have to have it needs to be like a trump but for the you know that's possible but i don't know who that is i i mean my like perception of a third party has always just been like it fractures your votes and it's a bad thing and like it's a joke i i can't even imagine what it would take to even if you found that perfect person to get enough people to just break out of the idea of left and right like uh but i i think it would i mean i always i'm like dave's running for president one day like i'm waiting for that uh you know Yeah, he's tough, though. He breaks it.

He's pro-choice. It's hard to do. It's hard to be a pro-choice Republican. That's the sort of stuff like that I think we have to figure out a way to like that find out. Find Baum is apparently going to run as a MAGA Republican. And everybody that I talked to down there says like, he used to follow me on Twitter, which I was like, you're not a MAGA Republican if you find, like maybe if you're a

professional MAGA you follow me to like see what the other side's saying. Right. But you're a sports guy. Yeah. Yeah. You're following me and like what, like watching my shit posting. every day. I think you're...

I think it's bullshit. I think you might be as like indoctrinated in a way too. Like I think you don't even realize how much that stuff does overlap. Maybe I'm... No, I don't know. I'm in this New York bubble and like...

Findbaum though, like running as a Mago Republican would be insane. Yeah, that would be that's... Like runs as like a Tommy Tuberville type. Yeah. I mean, that would be... Nobody, I've talked to one show that they don't think that was his politics, but it seems like it is.

Yeah. I just think there's more people out there that are... Fine bound curse Dave, primary. What a world. It's a 2032 presidential primary.

The Democrats really not like, they can't muster up like one guy or girl that they think is like because I feel like the party also it's not like, I feel like the Democrats didn't like have their golden goose

and he just couldn't get the job done. I feel like you guys are fractured and don't know who to like prop up either. And like, no, they got nobody. And I hate to, I don't want to be this way, but just like, I don't know if, like, a black woman was the best candidate to take down Trump in that at that time, you know?

So, like, can you find a guy who is, checks the boxes? Yeah. I mean, Westmore is just kind of like a poor man's Obama. Yeah. So, like, maybe that's good enough. You know, he fucking, he can, he can, he can lift. I don't know, man. It's tough.

Yeah. And also, it feels like, you know, I, I think what was appealing about Trump is that he wasn't this, like, lifelong politician. Right. But now I almost feel like we need to get back to some of that, like, president. presidential politician, but is the horse out of the bar and it's going to need to be a celebrity or it's going to need to be... I don't know. I don't know. I mean, there could be...

I also feel like the job's not appealing. I think your best minds and your most capable people are like, I'm going to go be in tech or I'm going to go pick a billion dollars. The president's very different. That's true for Congress. For sure, being Congress sucks now. Yeah, I don't know. It depends on how bad he fucks up the economy. I mean, or even if it's an accident you know what I mean? Whatever, if like, the economy gets really

fucked up, then maybe like a normal Democrat could do well. But if he does... The guy of people will jump ship of they're broke. But if he does okay, then I don't know. Then, yeah, the Dems will need some outsider type person, too, I think. Just think that's where we're at. I don't know who it is, but yeah, you need that. All right, bro.

I appreciate the time, man. This has been so fun. I hope that people don't hate me for not voting. Thank you for doing this. You're definitely, we do have a lot of, like, moms and grandmoms that listen, and, you know, you might be getting some notes about them. Just letting you know to do better. The Mexican people like me, right?

Mexicans, we love you. Everybody else will say, that's KFC, Marcel. Follow his shit. For real. Follow his shit. We'll see you soon.