Bulwark Takes - Tim Puts on His Tinfoil Hat Over Epstein Rumors

Episode Date: February 3, 2026

Tim Miller, Sam Stein, and Will Sommer give their takes on the latest wave of Trumpworld absurdity, as the 2020 election conspiracy crowd suddenly snaps back into focus after an FBI raid in Fulton County, Georgia. They unpack Trump promoting a conspiracy about Italian satellites, the apparent sidelining of Ed Martin, the expose on Rep. Nancy Mace that includes late-night tequila runs and Reddit vanity projects, and Florida long-shot gubernatorial candidate James Fishback deciding to join Tinder to meet “young female voters.”In the New Year, take ownership of your health with ZocDoc, at https://ZocDoc.com/BULWARKTAKES.

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Hey, everybody. It's Tim Miller from the Bullwark here with the potato boys. It's there are three of us. It's a trio. And it's Sam Stein, who's a managing editor and Will Summer, who has a newsletter called False Flag. That I've needed a little more frequency from lately. You know, Will's allowed some time off. But I could use it.

I could double it. I could do four a week. Four are we going to be in all. The latest is. said like this, Trump gets the 2020 election loon gang together. So I want to talk about that. I also want to just tease every week. We will talk about Nancy Mace as well. The 2020 election loon gang is back together. Why don't you just get us up to speed, Will? Yeah. So, you know, last week, the FBI raided the Fulton County, Georgia, you know, the ballot

storage facility, essentially. And I think we're starting to see, we don't know a lot about the official motivation of this raid. I think we're seeing a lot of the kind of the old conspiracy theories come back. And so that's what I dipped into here. Obviously, Tulsi Gabbard, the director of National Intelligence was on the scene. And it sort of seems that she has been tasked with sort of being like the chief election cook. Like she's going to pull all the disparate strands together and make a report Republicans can use to crack down on the midterms. So I think there's a lot of crazy stuff flying around. And that's what I was looking to do. Well, of all the crazy like 2020 election conspiracies? Well, I support the one of the one of the

I believe is the claim made by a fellow who was a rogue falconer who basically he was like a globetrotting falconer kind of mixed up in the smuggling lifestyle, the falcon smuggling. They call it feathered cocaine, for those you don't know. But basically he claimed he had kind of he had Al-Qaeda contacts because of the falcon trade in the Emirates. And basically he was like, well, they didn't really kill bin Laden. That was like a fake thing. But also I found out as kind of part of this that the election was stolen. And Trump was like, wow, this guy is a genius. This guy, I should say, is named Alan Parrott. And I think he's like a white guy. The Falconer's name is Parrot. That's right. And so Trump got really into this and it alienated a lot of his like Navy SEAL guys who

claimed to have killed bin Laden. It was a big mess. That's my, that's my favorite. But the one in play here, I think the key ones. Italian satellites. Yes, Italian satellites. I thought it was the Venezuela one that was in play here. There's two. So this is what we, Trump's got to figure out who who's going to be prosecuted, what the theory is.

So on one hand, Sidney Powell, who we remember getting fired from Trump's legal team for being too crazy for them, she's kind of back in the mix. She seems to maybe have known this raid was coming. She was saying on a podcast, there's going to be some big action in a few days. And she is, that was I thought the most

interesting thing in your newsletter, that she had a tip. She had a hot lead, Sidney Powell, who got kicked out of the... She was too hot. Cooke Brigade for being too coot-cooky. Tucker Carlson, Tucker Carlson, who now believes Hitler was the good guy in World War II and is flirting with flat

earthism. He looked at Sidney Powell and he was like, a little too out there for me. Okay, a little too out there for my taste. So anyway, go back to the Italian computer thing. Trump posted on true social this idea that the Italian government teamed up with,

the deep state in China to use satellites to steal the election. And how do they do it? Well, they did it with the help of an evil CIA supercomputer that has kind of gone rogue. It's like its own thing now. It's Skynet named Hammer and Scorecard. And it's pulling the strings all over. And this is something Trump embraced years ago. And now it's back in action.

Hopefully we can bring Hammer and Scorecard to justice. I have a question here about all this stuff because it doesn't make sense. I just got to be honest. If Venezuela is trying to... What doesn't make sense to? If Venezuela is trying to influence the vote, Hugo Chavez or Maduro or using Dominion software

to influence the vote, and they go first. And then the Italian supercomputers come on board and influence the influenced vote. Couldn't it rebound? Like, how do you... They say flip it once, flip it again.

Are they worried that the Italians and did all the... stuff that the Venezuelans did and like it got back and I mean this seemed I think you're looking at this the wrong way really this is a situation where all theories are in coming into fruition it's kind of like an episode of SVU you know like you're you want to look under every rock like you know that there's a criminal here and so it's like oh you think it might be the teacher because he was acting a little weird in class but it turns out he's just kind of a perv you know maybe that's the Venezuelans you know and then you go oh it's the step-down

at the drunk stepdad it turns out was him you know maybe that's the italians i don't i don't think it could be both i think it's one in that vein whatever happened to the overstock guy who was also part of that gang oh he's oh yeah a patrick burn he did so no he's still he's still on the loose um he actually's been tweeting a lot about how well i mean he's been tweeting a lot lately about how much he doesn't like jews but i was just like oh this is kind of a new angle for you patrick god damn it but but he's in the very Venezuela camp. He thinks Venezuela to that. Okay. Really? I don't know.

That's interesting. That's from Overstock.com. Be careful on Overstock.com. You never know what you might actually get some of those, some of that feather cocaine when you're ordered in an old couch. Wait, one less thing. One less thing. One less thing. RFK Jr. No, we're not done yet. RFK Jr. is a falconer. We know this because he talks a lot about it. Has he had any association with this, what were they called? The feather cocaine groups? The feathered cocaine. That's a great question.

I don't know. Maybe he might know all the stuff he knows about how the way world really operates because it kind of seems like these Falcon networks. They have a lot of intel, I guess. Okay. If you have any concern as somebody, as a listener who just, you know, maybe has a little bit of doubts that maybe 2020 was stolen, I just want to calm you. Because Carrie Lake did weigh in as well, as you mentioned, the newsletter. And she wrote, you are fine. fucked to the Fulton County

election commissioner. She works, she's a government official still for the USA agency on Google Media. You are fucked she said to the Fulton County and she this is like the reverse Jim Kramer situation. Like if Carrie Lake says you are fucked you are actually in the clear. Nothing to worry about.

So that's encouraging. And speaking of people that have fallen on hard times, Eagle Ed Martin seems like he's been demoted. He might be on the way out there. He was pictured with Sidney Powell. I thought maybe he was conceivably on the rise as part of this 2020 um you know election conspiracy stuff since he's on board with that but

he got kind of demoted to a pardon attorney i guess and then maybe fully out i don't know what have you heard about i was surprised by that because he's been he was deputized to be in charge of all the political uh vendettas right and then he'd been doing the well trump had a meeting this week i believe there's a cnn report apologies to who i forget who i'm sounding it out Rusina. But they had a meeting this week about the weaponization of government, how they want to weaponize it more and how they're not weaponizing it enough. And so maybe during that meeting, they thought that Ed hadn't really nailed it. Yeah, it's a weird one because he had been like, it was his moment.

He'd been doing the part and stuff for a while now. But apparently Todd Blanche really hates the guy and pushed him out. But I don't know anything other than that. But it's odd timing-wise because they're supposed to be ramping up. and then this guy just kind of disappears. I'm not sure if that's a good thing or a bad thing. I don't know because he's such a, he can be such a moron.

I feel like this is, it's a bad thing in a way, because I think it's a sign that, and this is just speculation on my part, but it seems like maybe they're like, hey, Ed, you're making this a little obvious what we're up to and you're getting too many clues. Like a lot of people, including me,

really keyed in on that picture with Sidney Powell. And as soon as Sidney Powell gets pulled in, you do that the day after the raid. People are like, oh, this is insane, right? I mean, I did a whole newsletter about it. And so you need to, there needs to be this kind of veneer of respectability. And so, Ed, you need to stop, like, kind of posting pictures with Alex Jones or whatever. So I think that may be what happened here.

Like, you're tweeting, are you tweeting a criminal conspiracy, Ed Martin? You know, you're not supposed to be tweeting a criminal conspiracy. What was the time where he tweeted the first, like, singular letters? I forget this one. And then he had to, like, a rip- Oh, pipe bomber. Oh, yeah. Because he got on board with the blazes, bogus story about the pipe bomber being a capital police officer.

And he was like, pipe bomb. But he didn't take down every letter. He left like the P and the E up. So stupid. The other thing I'd point out here is Todd Blanche is kind of being set up once again is like the guy who won't give MAGA the candy that won't do the arrest, that won't like do a DOJ raid on the Colorado jail where Tina Peters is held on election denial charges.

So the sort of the Ed Martin set, the people who really want to see like Hillary Clinton in prison, They are furious over this and this idea that once again, Todd Blanche has stolen it away from them. I think they're ever going to realize that nobody's going to prison. You see Todd Blanche tonight talking about the Epstein people, I hope not going to prison? Some of these men may have done horrible things, and if we have evidence that allows us to prosecute them,

you better believe we will. But it's also the kind of thing that the American people need to understand that it isn't a crime to party with Mr. Epstein. Yeah, nothing illegal about going to. a party on Petro Island. Can't break. Can't prosecute that. Sorry for partying. Ain't no crime party with Jeffrey Epstein. Come on.

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New York Magazine did a big, did a big piece on her. The fake news there, Jake LaHutt, good dude. And she tried to preempt it with the selfie video. That's never a good thought. Do people understand how stupid that is is a tactic? You're just drawing attention to your side. The Streisand effect. It's dumb.

Jay Claude is thrilled. He's like, oh, wait, now everybody knows we've got a big Nancy Mays's article coming tomorrow. So among the thing, I mean, she's lost her mind. And there's some of this stuff we're retreading a little bit of bold ground, like everyone that has ever worked for her hates are. One of my favorite quotes. and the story was from like her most recent.

I forget if it's a consultant or chief of staff. And he's like, so I left and have concerns for Nancy and think that she'd be better as a private citizen. And you should take me at my word because I don't hate her like everyone else. Yeah, that was the best quote. I'm not like all these other people, you know, who have Mace derangement syndrome.

Okay, I like her. I just think that she probably would do better in a padded room somewhere. Among the story, among the anecdotes, my favorite one. was something she has a common with Sam Stein. She was forcing staffers to upvote Reddit posts about who the hottest member of Congress was if it was her. And so staffers are to create fake accounts, go in, upvote it if it said Nancy Mays downvote AOC

to try to push her up the rankings on the hottest members of Congress. And Sam actually did this as well on a mediaite survey of hottest manning adverts. You're making the staff. that for you. It was actually the hill back in the day. Remember the hottest on the hill? Do you remember that? I voted in that.

Yeah. You voted? Oh, my God. Did you ever vote for saying? Well, I voted. You got to, they put everyone. Well, I voted because they would put everyone's hot picture out and then you would go around and cast your boats for who was the hottest.

Oh, my God. It's some. Yeah, staffers also, it wasn't just the upvoting. Staffers, we're told to comment where needed as well. You know, I don't know. say throw a little note in there like a nice jug a boss I don't know

what the request was like you're like kind of idyllistic you're going to work on the hill your chief of staff comes in when they're like yeah I need you to create a burn a Reddit account just put some comments about how hot the bosses please

what am I doing you she also uh this is a quote a former staffer said when I worked for her our poor scheduler was getting calls at two in the morning to come bring her bottles of Tequila. To keep the party going is how Jake. Hey,

it's not a crime to party with Nancy Mays, man. Two in the morning? This is, I'll be serious. I read this. I like to party. I read this.

But if you need tequila at two in the morning, you got to procure it yourself. So I read this and I had a good chuckle with the Reddit stuff for sure. And the tequila stuff was wild. But like I left feeling like a sense of. sorrow for this woman. She obviously needs help. I do feel bad for her. It seems like she was triggered or really affected, obviously, by what happened to her in her personal life that she then brought to the floor. Accusations are rate. And Will and I were talking about it's a little bit.

The fact that she's doing dick checks on the house floor, that doesn't temper your sorrow at all? No, that doesn't. But she was like posting like pictures of herself naked and stuff. It was like there's many layers of psychosis here. And Will and I were talking a little bit before we came on. I think the conclusion is she just shouldn't be in, I mean, this is not my conclusion, it's her staff conclusion. She shouldn't be in public life anymore. She should just like try to find something that's more fulfilling and calmer. I do feel bad though. I really do. I don't know. She looked like she was happy in that one viral video that was going around where there were like six people and, you know, it was like, they were like, they're like six people and they're like at a house

party and they're like doing shots off each other. Oh yeah, but that was really her life. Kissed that girl. she kissed the other woman. Like they looked like they were having a good time. Just maybe do that. Go to Sullivan's Island. Go to House parties. Yeah. Yeah, look, I watch Southern Charms.

She could join that crew. You know, they're having fun in South Carolina. You watch some trash TV, buddy. You watch some... You love the Vanderpump rules. You like all that crap. That's how I keep my finger on the polls on America. I think she's a little too mean for me to feel sorry for.

I don't feel sorry for. The thing that I feel sorry about is it seems like her governor's campaign is went down the toilet. And I was sort of thinking the people of South Carolina, they might need Nancy Mace to be the governor for a few years, just to kind of sort of wash things out of their system a little bit. I mean, they've voted for Trump three times. They put in, you know, Henry McMaster. Maybe they should kind of just get one of their own a little bit and see how that goes. And Louisiana, I'm tired of us having the most embarrassing government. Is the current measles outbreak, not enough? Is that you want to

more on the good state of South Carolina? I would like to afflict a little bit more. All right. Well, nothing else from you there on Nancy Mace, Will, anything you're seeing out there? Any buzz? I mean, you know, she's very active on Twitter. I mean, you know, just striking this article, how she's, you know, and this has been reported before, but that she wanted just like, you know, I need to be on national TV three times

a week or three times a day, you know, and I need to be in local Carolina news constantly as well. And I mean, look, she understands the content grind. But I think perhaps it's, it is not redounded to her benefit here. Should I invite her on the pod, do we think? That's a good question. I'm sure she should come on in a second. I don't know what, what, we'll talk about that offline.

Let's pray out of feedback. Let us know in the comments. What do you think? Should I invite Nancy Mason? We'll see. Okay, two other things really fast. James Fishback, you've written about him, long shot candidate. We should just be honest for the governor of Florida.

Byron Donald's, I guess is the main candidate there. he's done some, you've written about him, he's done some racist jokes about Byron Donald's, made some illusions about how he would be Mussolini-esque, some pretty serious accusations about him with younger women,

relationships with young women, maybe even girls. And he posted this today. I've joined Tinder to meet young female voters where they are and share my plan to make it easier for them to get married by home, raise a family.

young female voters. That just, that is a little, that has a creepy ring for me. You know, it's interesting because Fishback is very open about, he has this woman, he claims this his girlfriend, they go to all these events together. He kind of is portraying her as like the future first lady of Florida. And this has been enraging Laura Lumer, the right-wing activist because she hates James Fishback

because he is anti-Israel. And so she dug up his girlfriend's background And it is, you know, a lot of like, I'd say risque photo shoots. Some photo shoots, according to Lumer, she was deep into the Bitcoin NFT scene. Some photo shoots with like guys in like eyes wide shut masks and stuff, which given Fischbach's kind of like Epstein-style allegations, you know, it's getting very complex here. So I don't know if the girlfriend's being pushed out and now it's all about Tinder or what's going on. But his love life has loomed large in this campaign. Sam, do you have any thoughts on the James Fishback campaign?

If ever, if ever there was an appropriate use for the Let's do that. them fight me. It's like Lumer Fishback right now. Let him go. Just have at it. I thought he was, um, I thought he was a big with the Groyper's, but he's not, or is he? Well, no, that, no, no, no, that's his claim to fame is he's kind of like the Groyper, Nick Fuente style.

Yeah, Lomers, don't mix her up. You have to understand the, I'm saying, I thought the, the dynamics, maybe I'm wrong, but Lumer is not a Groyper. I'm saying, doesn't that complicate him with the women? Like, aren't Groyper supposed to be abstinent in some respect or am I crazy? Hmm. Great point, Sam. Thank you.

Well, Nif Fuentes has said, he said that typically, you know, being with women is gay, that he's an in-cell. But more recently, he started to say he's looking for the cutest gripet. And so now I think possibly maybe Groyper's are going to be allowed to drop their vow, their vow of chastity and look for law. That's really powerful stuff. I'm moved by it. All right. Final topic. We make fun on here.

We tease and mock some of the right-wing conspiracy. and I think it's important to do that since it has infected the highest levels of our government. But it's also a look at ourselves at times. And I've got to tell you, I was reading this post today by Heather C. underscore 77, Christian Patriot, O.G. Anon, and great, great, great, great granddaughter of Revolutionary War Soldier who crossed the Delaware with George Washington. And she is, They're going through the Epstein files, and they have discovered that one of the people that flagged that there was something weird happening at the prison was Roberto Grijalva, who is a who's working there as a correctional officer. And according, I guess, to a subpoena that came through Jeffrey Berman, you could see his identity. He was one of the people that posted this 4chan post.

in the 4champ post, he essentially claims that there was a lot of unusual activity around Epstein's cell, and that there was a truck of some kind that came in, and that Epstein got snuck out, and that the person that got killed was an Epstein double, body double of some kind. And I'm reading it, and I'm thinking, Don't. I'm interested. I'd like to learn more.

It has 13.1 million views, so I'm not the only one. And is it possible that Epstein still alive, I guess? That's my final question for you guys. No, I'm not touching that. I'm not going to talk about it. Here's what I'll say. Here's what I'll say. I mean, I don't think he killed himself.

You know, I think, or I think he was at least given the opportunity to. I think there's a lot of unanswered questions out there. And so, you know, I, whatever you're putting out there, Tim, I'm cool. Guys. I also think that there's a lot of unanswered questions out there. And can I just throw you, Victor? Can I throw you this post by Victor? It's at someone you know underscore.

He goes, this is a crazy find. After some search, I discovered what's probably the second biggest find. The dead body's nose does not match Jeffrey Epstein's. Wait, sorry, this is the at someone you know, Victor? Well, that changes this. That guy's unbature. No, guys. I will suggest after we finish this that we edit this out in PostScript because this is insane.

You guys need to chill out. And there's also stuff in the files from, I believe, the prison guard saying that he was like talking, Epstein trying to like tell him not to kill himself because it seemed like you might. So let's, let's tamp it down a little bit. It cuts both ways. It cuts both ways. I'm not saying, I'm not making any claims. Okay.

I don't want to be fact checked by YouTube. All I'm saying is that I've been reading a lot of material about the Epstein. situation at the prison and I just was intrigued by I mean you know she was an OG and on oh it's not nothing

what were the numbers sorry what were the numbers in her hand was the 77 77? 77 77 something to that now you mention that yeah 77

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