Bulwark Takes - Trump Jokes as Woman Is Beaten at His Rally

Episode Date: October 13, 2026

Sam Stein and Andrew Egger break down Donald Trump’s bizarre and disturbing Ohio rally, from his repeated comments about Senator Jon Husted’s physique to mocking a woman who was assaulted by a fellow rallygoer for wearing a shirt demanding the release of the Epstein files. Trump revived his racist lies about Haitian immigrants in Springfield and embraced embattled Republican Rep. Max Miller despite allegations of abuse.Plus, Trump claims Russia and Ukraine have agreed to an energy ceasefire that neither side says exists. Sam and Andrew discuss Trump’s increasingly grievance-driven rallies, his lack of a positive vision for voters, and the disturbing implications of a president who seems willing to declare reality into existence.Ready to reach your goals? Visit https://hims.com/bulwarktakes to get personalized, affordable care for weight loss, hair loss, sex, testosterone, and more.

Hey, everyone, it's me, Sam Stein, manager of the book. I'm joined by Andrew Edgar, author of Morning Shots. And we don't normally do this because there's so many Trump rally speeches, but we wanted to go and record after tonight's speech. It's Monday, October 12th. Trump just finished up a speech, I believe it was in Youngstown, Ohio. And look, like Trump's speeches now, we can kind of predict how they're going to go. But this one was both weird. We'll start with the weird funny thing first and very, very dark for a number of different reasons. xenophobia racism, literally an assault on a protester in the crowd. Trump embracing Max Miller, the embattled congressman who's accused of abusing his wife and kid.

There's a lot to unpack. And then even before he took off, before he went to the rally, he took off, he made some news on Russia, Ukraine that is just baffling that we're going to get into first. But because we want to start with stuff that might not drive you to drink, We're going to go with the funny stuff first. So, Andrew, why don't you set this up? Donald Trump has recently learned a fact about Ohio Senator John Husted, who is up for re-election in a very tight race against Democrat Sherrod Brown.

John Gruden, the former NFL head coach and Big Trump guy, recently told Trump that Houston is apparently a pretty good former football player himself. He had some success during his previous, I guess, collegiate career. maybe it's high school. I'm not actually sure which of the two he's talking about. But he's a really good defensive player when he played. And Trump has been so taken by this. He brings it up every time he talks about Houston now in more and more theatrical and kind of bizarre terms, but never more so than just tonight when he just couldn't let it go.

I mean, he brought it up, what, like three different times? Three times. He brought up Houston's chiseled physique and how much he can't keep his eyes off the guy. Houston is in a tight race with Sherry Brown, which is the entire reason that Trump is there tonight. But that's not the only thing that's tight about Houston, according to Trump. Houset's ass is also quite tight. Let's listen to that. I don't do this with men very often.

I started examining his body because I didn't know he was a great athlete. And I looked, and I watched up and down. I looked at his ass and I looked at the whole. And then I looked at his hands. Look at his hands. He's got these, like, claws. And I got it. You are a great athlete.

I didn't know that. he doesn't talk about that. Congratulations. Now they finally know. That was very good. And it was John Gruden that told me that. We would have never known. All right.

So if you thought that that was Trump just riffing, that he wasn't just absolutely thirsting over John Hustead's physique and... Really giving him a good look up and down, you know, just really soaking in the man meat there. Those paws. Mm. That ass. Mm.

Well, no. Because Andrew notes has happened two more. times. Here he is comparing Houston to a hunk of steel. I just, I just hit him on the back and I hurt my hand a little bit. It's like a piece of steel. You're right about that. Greatest, one of the greatest coaches in America coach. You're right about that. Just hard as a rock that Houston. And if that wasn't enough, if the ass wasn't just scrumptious, if that back wasn't steely, Trump had a few thoughts on Houston's face, too, which he likes,

as you might imagine. Look at that jawline. I'm telling you. I never saw that. I never studied him. Now I study him. I say, why was he such a good football? Look at the jawline. He's tough as hell. At some point, it gets a little uncomfortable, I guess. My favorite part of all of this in that second clip there was Trump had a couple lines here where, you know, he thinks he's this master of branding, right? He thinks he's the best political brand. Yeah, exactly, ever to have done this, ever to have walked to the earth. And he thinks that John Houston has started. improving in the polls ever since he, Trump, started talking about how hot he is and how good of a football player he was at these rallies. He's like, nobody knew about this before, because if he didn't know about it before, obviously nobody else did either. I mean, he really does, like, in his lizard brain, think that him standing on stage and just drooling over the guy is actually

having a real impact on his poll numbers against Sherrod Brown. It's, I mean, it's just, it's an amazing little window into several different, very, very different parts of the president's mind at once. mind, the women are flocking to John Houston because Trump pointed out how steely and tight his ass is. And certain, and certain, you know, brassy, show tunes, curious, you know, real estate tycoon types in Cleveland and Columbus as well. Essential gasting. No, Trump does this with a lot of men that he's impressed by their looks. He just blurts out how he thinks. But have you ever seen him? Like, you're right. He does it a lot.

But, like, this was a lot even for him. Am I wrong about that? Like, it seemed like he just kept coming back to it. One time, one time was fine. Three times is over the top. Two is you're starting to be like, this is kind of a little weird. And then I like that he has to keep going back to like, it was Gruden who told me. Gruden told me this. Okay, Donald, sure. All right, look, that was fun. That was like a side shirt to this whole thing because the rally was actually quite gross. A little bit of a disclaimer before we start or a warning, I suppose, to people are watching this. there was an assault that happened by a protester in the rally. It was a woman who was wearing a release the Epstein file shirt. There's been more protests at his rallies recently.

Maybe I'm just picking up on it more, but it seems like they are getting disrupted more and more regularly now. There's been a couple over the past couple weeks. There had already been a protester who was kind of assaulted while leaving the rally. Some just came up and socked him. But this one was pretty gruesome. Well, let's watch it. And then I want to pick up on the flip side about just how uncomfortable and awful it is and how un-American is.

So let's watch. He's a paid protest, or they're all paid. They get paid by the lefties in order to destroy our country. They're scum. But he's going back home to Mom. He's going back home to Mom. Look at him. Look at it.

Terrible. Don't we love law enforcement? Oh, he's got to go on a diet. He's a fat guy. Wow. So Trump thinks it's a man. It's actually a woman. Meanwhile, the guy who punched her is just let right back to his seat.

And you can see her shirt says, Release the Epstein and then Files is on there. This is an assault. This is an actual assault on someone who's exhibiting her First Amendment right to protest. And that guy was let right back into the crowd. The crowd cheered it, loved it. And Trump absolutely leaned in on it and made fun of her. this is un-American to me.

Like, this does not happen at any other rally. It just doesn't happen. And people protested Biden rallies all the time over Gaza, all the time, multiple people. And no one was assaulting them. And nor would Biden stand for it. And I just find this whole thing grotesque, un-American. I know this has happened before at Trump rallies, but I don't want to get comfortable with it. I find this thing really unsettling, honestly.

Yeah, and it's so much at the core of the, who he is as a politician, right? I mean, if you remember his very earliest rallies, before anybody was even taking him all that seriously as a politician, you know, early in the 2016 cycle, he leaned into this stuff like crazy. I mean, he was constantly, you know, reminiscing about the good old days when you could just rough up protesters and nobody would really mind and promising to pay his supporters legal bills if they got in any trouble for beating up a protester. And it was a little bit schick, but like that sort of thing, like the idea that all these, you know, busy, body rules are now here to restrain us, the good people, from really showing, you know, them,

the bad people, really giving them what they deserve. I mean, that's so much at the core of Trump's just kind of lizard brain appeal to a lot of his supporters. And it's true. I mean, you mentioned there have been a lot of, a lot of protests at these rallies recently. I saw a couple of protesters who were escorted out at the Ohio rally. I was at a week or so ago. There was a, there were a lot of them at the San Antonio rally just a few days ago. And in fact, one, one protester who was assault, at that rally. The one other thing I would say about that clip that we just played, I'm not sure whether you could see it in that clip or whether this is, this was only visible in different angles, but you can see the guy who commits the assault. You know, he kind of gets pushed out of the way

by the cop who he calls over, who first of all, he's kind of like, yeah, come get her. Like, you and me are on the same team to the cop. And the cop doesn't quite treat him that way. He's like, yeah, get out of the way. We're going to pull her out. But then there's a bikers for Trump guy who comes over and kind of debriefs him and is like kind of patting him on the shoulder and like putting him, you know, getting him back in his seat and everything like that. They are also a very weird presence at these rallies because they have this like sort of quasi-enforcer role where like they're not there. They're not cops, you know, they're just tuffs. Are they just sprinkled throughout the crowd doing shit like that?

Well, actually at the rally that I was at, there was a, they were mad. They were kind of gathering, sort of congregating outside the press pool because the seats that they were supposed to have, they didn't have for them at that time. So I don't know what the usual thing is, but that guy was right on hand. He kind of seemed like he came up the aisle. They're just sort of like pro-Trump, like kind of Wild West enforcers here where like, they're certainly not there to protect protesters. They're just there to kind of, you know, keep things a little bit in hand. Yeah, I just want to recap because I think it's worth stressing. A woman protested Trump and a man assaulted her.

Pretty violently. Yeah. Violently. And rather than Trump saying something like, hey, don't do that, escort her out. Or hey, don't do that. She has a right, but she should get out. He cheered it on. And then he also called her fat.

It's so gross and awful, uncomfortable too. Right? It's inviting violence. It's cheering on violence. And yeah, it sucks. It just sucks to watch that. So I was upset by that. But that wasn't the only thing that made me upset.

So they're in Ohio. Obviously, this is a state that played a fairly symbolic role in 2024, precisely because it was there that Trump and J.D. Vance accused the Haitian. community on TPS protections in Springfield of eating cats and dogs, a vicious lie that dehumanize them and led to a lot of problems for the community for obvious reasons. Then ultimately, Supreme Court ruled that Trump could in fact pull their TPS protection status. As everyone knows, we went to Springfield for a fundraiser for them. We met members of the community. Wonderful people, very scared right now about what's happening. Because a lot of people still believe the lie.

So Trump's there in Ohio tonight, and he just plows right back into it. Let's watch. A little idyllic place, all of a sudden they dropped 35,000 people in from Haiti and it didn't work out too well. Remember during the debate, I said some of the things they were doing, I was right. Turned out, I was right. I won't get into the exact. Remember that? I was right.

What a coward. I mean, if you're going to do it, just say what you said. What a coward. Secondly, he's wrong on two fronts. One is it was not an idyllic town prior to the Haitians showing up. It was a dead town. The Haitians helped revitalize it. So wrong on that count. And then wrong on the fact that people are grateful for this.

I would say, by my estimations, talking to folks there, 75, 25, 25 people are against what's happening by Trump in the removal of TPS status. They feel like it's going to hurt the community. So wrong on both those counts, but classic Trump, this message is sponsored by Hymns. So let's be honest, trying to lose weight can feel like a constant cycle of setting goals, trying to stick to a plan, and getting frustrated when you're not seeing the results you want, that's especially true for fathers of young kids out there. You know, those chicken tenders just are so inviting when they're left over on your kid's plate,

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that these people are like subhuman savages who have brought their third world ways to Springfield, Ohio, and they're going from neighborhood to neighborhood abducting beloved family pets so they can grill them up on the George Foreman. You know, like, it never happened. It was a lie then. No one has ever substantiated it. And so for him to bring that specific bit of it back up, just the icing on the cake of this entire insane, like, post-truth thing that he does every time he opens his mouth, honestly. Arguably the most pernicious lie. This one just cuts to the core of nasty, of human nastiness, I feel like. Yeah, not great. No. Good analysis there. Not great. I agree with you. Not great. Stop doing it. There are other moments here. He's in Ohio, but he's campaigning for candidates in Michigan and Minnesota as well. I didn't get to see all the speech, but it seemed like he spent a fair bit of time talking about Abdul al-Said.

This was kind of the amazing thing. He's going from place to place to place to place. And there are like little bits of like place-specific campaigning in all of them. But at the same time, he like does these recurring bits like he tells Texas voters why they. should not elect Abdul El-Said. And then he tells Ohio voters why they should not elect Abdul-El-Sahed. Like these are recurring bits that he does over and over again. And it's also the case that, like, he has a few things that he's talking about, about how his administration is doing well. But, like, it's mostly excuses for why it's not better on the one hand. And then just a bunch of, like, doom-saying about why they should fear Democrats

getting back into power, on the other hand. And Abdul-El-Syad obviously features very heavily into this because he repeatedly calls him a jihadist and repeatedly says, you know, he's essentially trying to bring, you know, he didn't use the phrase Shari Allah, but like that he's, that he's, you know, trying to bring radical Islam into power in America. The quote is, turn the Midwest into Mogadishu or something like that. Yes, he did say that. And he had one of those very characteristic pauses, turn the Midwest into Mogadishu before he reads it up the prompter. He's like, how am I going to say this exactly? Yeah. But yes, there was an extended digression about jihadist in his term, Abdul,

I feel like the shtick is getting a little thing. There was a couple of the characters there that may have surprised folks. Max Miller, Congressman from Ohio, who is persona non-grada for normal people, but the Republican leadership is fine with him, apparently. Again, this man is credibly accused of assaulting his wife, who is Bernie Marino's daughter, this is now ex-wife. And what was the exact thing he did to his daughter? I guess she, like, she, like, showed up with, like, a broken collarbone or something?

Yeah, the allegations against the daughter were never as like thoroughly substantiated as the ones against the wife. I mean, there was a lot of chatter, a lot of like, oh, man, this doesn't look good type stuff about, yes, a broken collarbone the daughter had sustained. There were accusations that she was afraid to go to his house. He didn't return her toy. Yeah, it didn't return that toy. You know, a lot of, a lot of just sort of weird family court drama stuff in that where it did not look good for Max Miller at all. But the craziest thing about all of this is that one of the loudest people making these allegations, when that story was in the headlines a couple of months ago was Ohio Senator Bernie Moreno,

who I was interested to see when I was, again, when I was at that Van Dalia rally last weekend, I think it was just last weekend. It's weird that Trump's already back in Ohio, by the way. It was like literally last weekend he was there. But at that rally, Moreno spoke and it was like, oh, okay, Max Miller's not here. Like he was not in the building. That was kind of notable. I guess they buried the hatchet. I guess they're like content to appear on the same sort of dais. or like in the same sort of like VIP section now at this rally. Two months after Bernie Moreno is telling reporters about how his daughter, you know, has to co-parent with this man and fears every second that their daughter is in his custody

and that he's turned her life into hell. And I mean, it's just really surreal that the Ohio GOP has somehow papered over this whole scandal. It's agreed. You know, we need the seat. Let's just not let this drama impact anything too much. I just, I was surprised that Moreno showed up. given how aggressive he was about sticking up for his daughter just a few months ago. I mean, Max Miller made the right calculation in a way.

I mean, Max Miller was being pushed to get out of the race. And he said, nah, I'm going to just stick around. And inherent in that was that these people will come around because they care more about the seat. And I think he held up Trump as the template to follow from the Axis Iowa tape as if that's like some virtue. Yeah. What a titan of virtue. Yeah. I know.

His calculation was these are cravings. political beings and they'll come around. And if I'm on the ticket, they'll, they'll be fine with me. And he was right. Yeah, but I just can't get over. Like, why is Marino even there? He's not even up for reelection. Like, he has no reason why he has to, like, be clown himself in this way. They all, they all going to do United Front stuff because that's all that matters to his power. It's strange. It's strange. Anyways, let's play, let's play Trump kind of cheering on Max Miller being in the building. Everybody needs to get out and vote for Vivek. And also, you need to get out and vote and vote re-elect for Congressman Mike Rulie and Congressman Max Miller who's here.

Thank you, Max, for coming. Thank you. Very good. Thank you. I will notice there's a little less, more tepid applause for Miller. Yeah, that's true. If you look at the people behind him. Okay, yeah, sure, why not Max?

Yeah, you go for it. All right. Anything else from the rally before I switch back to the pre-rally stuff? I already said this, but like there is not a positive vision on display in these rallies. He does not come to them to make a case. He does like a few, like, half-baked stats about how the economic graph is going up into the right, like it always does. He does a little bit of schick about how Muhammad bin Salman said that America's in its golden age now and it was in the dark age under Biden. And then it's just grievances and Democrat fear-mongering and, like, anecdotes.

And that's it. There just is not a pitch for why voters should expect anything other than what they're getting right now, other than we're going to win the war in Iran. And that's going to bring prices down. And I'm just kind of shocked when I see this at the rallies that there is so little of an actual through line of like what they have no vision. Like they're not they're not they're not conjuring up anything for for their own voters to get excited about and get behind. And that's I mean, that's a big part of why you see this enthusiasm gap that we see today. There was one thing they told voters to get excited about and get behind. John Houston's ass.

Everybody get behind it. Yeah, take a big, long look. Get excited and get behind it. Oh, my lord. He should have brought him up on stage and made him, like, do a slow turn, you know. Come on, John. Yeah. Do a little 360.

Give the crowd what it wants. All right. Sorry, you set that up really well. All right. Pre-rally, Trump did make some news. So, backstory here is over the weekend or I guess Friday. I forget all the day's plan. Trump decides we're going to buy Russian oil again, Russian diesel.

Not great. no one seems to be on board with this, but Trump, and he's defended it. And he's defended it by saying that Zelensky doesn't want a deal and that they need to make a deal. And Zelensky's like, I don't know what you're talking about. Then there was some Trump declared over the weekend that they had an energy ceasefire between Russia and Ukraine.

And everyone was sort of like, really? I mean, that could be good. Like, let's stop bombing each other's energy grids. and refineries. That could be a first step. And then within like an hour, I was like, wait a second, the Ukrainians and the Russians have no clue what he's talking about. I think he just made this up.

Then Zelensky went on the Sunday shows. He's like, I don't know what he's talking about. We're happy to do it. The Russia keeps bombing. Keev got hit overnight. It's clear that there's no ceasefire. So Trump, you know, he was asked about this. And in spectacular fashion, more or less in the most Trumpian way,

admits that he just was full of shit. So let's play Trump saying what was the basis for him declaring that there had been agreed upon ceasefire. You said Russia and Ukraine agreed to a ceasefire, but both sides say they have not agreed to that. Well, they agreed. You know why? Because I said you agree. That's why. They agreed because I said they agreed. So that's not technically how agreements work. technically. Yeah, you know, if you want to get really technical, you know, if you want to be an egghead

about it, no, it didn't happen. It's, I mean, like, I guess the only way you can even like make sense of it as a move is like this is maybe another one of these market manipulation things where he's trying to just sort of like get one more hit to oil futures or something like that out of relief that supposedly this ceasefire exists even though it doesn't. But like every time Donald Trump gets on the phone with Vladimir Putin, his entire Ukraine policy just changes immediately to whatever Putin wants, and then they have to sort of slowly pull him back to like something, some more semblance of balance on this. So they had a long phone

call on Friday. That's where, you know, this supposed deal to buy Russian diesel came out of, even though Trump himself just signed this big sanctions bill on Russian oil a couple weeks ago. That is all going on, right? And Trump is like parroting, you know, pro-Puton talking points about how really Zelensky is the obstacle to the energy cease-speople. fire here, even though Zelensky is the one who has said, I welcome this if you can just get Russia to agree. And then you layer that on to just the bewildering, like, level of hubris and, and just sort of self-centered egomania of him being able to say, like, what matters in there being an energy ceasefire is not that these two combatants actually stop launching missiles and bombs

at one another's energy infrastructure. That's just some stuff that's happening on the other side of the world. What's important is that I, the God emperor of reality, have declared that an energy ceasefire exists now. And so it's there. And why are you asking me about it? Like, quit bothering me. I mean, it's crazy. The place this guy thinks he occupies in world history, I mean, the power he thinks he has to just speak these things into existence. Yeah, he wants to manifest itself into existence. But it's like a little bit like maybe one turn away from Michael Scott of the office declaring bankruptcy. It's like, I declare bankruptcy.

It's not really how it works. Didn't just say it. I declared it. He's clearly just sowering on Zelensky. And I do think it really is, Trump and his loser brain head has been convinced that, well, they're bombing the refineries. Ergo, the cost of diesel is high because of Zelensky. You can't possibly imagine that it's the war in Iran that's contributing to this. So he's now basically committed to screwing over Zelensky.

And so the real tell. came later in that stakeout before he boarded to go to Ohio, where he claims that Putin wants to deal more, even as Pooin has launched more attacks in Kiev. Listen to this. Where do you see his willingness to make a deal when he's striking Ukraine, strike you ship? I think they're going to make a deal. I think actually Putin wants to make a deal more than Zelensky. It's bullshit. Just completely, he's confronted with a piece of information. Actually, Russia's bombing Ukrainian infrastructure right now. Like that's happening right now.

Ukraine's not doing it to Russia right now. Ukraine is the thing that Ukraine is saying right now is, sure, energy ceasefire sounds great. Can you get Russia to agree to that? And Russia is telling President Trump, oh, man, you know, I would love to have a deal if really you just let this Zelensky guy, you know, get out of the way. But Russia's the one who's doing the bombing and Trump just does not let that fact penetrate his mind. He just brushes it off like it's nothing.

It's the only thing that matters. And like it doesn't even enter into his mind. mental calculations here because he had this really nice phone call on Friday with Putin, and they broed out, and they got along, and Putin really just, you know, he, he get, they get each other, you know, they really just as world leaders, they really, they really know how it is, they know how it works. And so he's just, again, he's just lost to the world for another week or so here until, well, I don't know, I was going to say until somebody on our side gets in his ear and sort of pulls him back the other way, but I guess that used to be Lindsey Graham's job,

so I don't actually know who is actually capable of doing that for the president now. So I guess maybe that's one place that we should really miss Lindsay Graham and all this. So who knows. That's a really valid point. It was Graham, who was always the one pulling him back. And they don't have that person now. Darlene will do it. She'll get in there.

I'm sure she will. I'm not holding my breath. All right, buddy. We've taken up a lot of time here on a Monday day. We've got to pace ourselves. We've got three weeks of this, you know. So there's only so much John Houston ass coverage we can do, but we're going to fit it in there. I'd do it again.

I'm fired up. Next time he goes to Ohio. I guess he's doing one in Ohio a week. Apparently, this is the new pace. Let's make this a rule. Let's make this rule between me. Anytime Trump openly covets a male senator's ass at a rally, we'll have to do a take on it. There can't be that many. What do you put the over under for how many more times? Let's put aside the asses. How many more times in the next three weeks is Trump going to salivate over a male politician? I'm going to put it at your group. I will guess five. Okay. I'll take the under.

not counting John Houston. Are we setting John Houston aside? He will 100% bring John Houston specifically up. No, I'm just saying it can be Houston. I'm not saying it has to be five separate politicians. I'm just saying five times. Like tonight would have been three. Okay. Oh, okay. I guess I'll still take the under, but you're probably, you probably get me on that. In the comments, let us know, folks, whether you take the over under on five. Oh, wait, before we go, Atlanta in Georgia, you should be ashamed of yourself. Buy tickets to our show. you're the one city that hasn't sold out. I'm going there. You're making me look bad.

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