Bulwark Takes - Trump Stumbles in Bible Reading + Possible IRS Settlement NEWS! | MAGA Mondays LIVE

Episode Date: May 18, 2026

Sam Stein and Will Sommer went live to cover Trump withdrawing his $10B lawsuit against the IRS, the $1.7B slush fund for MAGA allies, Trump’s bizarre Bible reading, Laura Loomer’s fight with Thomas Massie that includes accusations of swinging and cocaine, and groyper drama involving a witch that you need to hear to believe.Stop putting off those doctors appointments and go to https://Zocdoc.com/bulwarktakes to find and instantly book a doctor you love today.

Hey, everyone. It's me, Sam Stein, here are my man, my partner in crime. Will Summer for another edition of Maga Mondays. I know you're all wondering. It's top of mind for many people in the comment section. Will, Will's internet peter out and fuck up in this broadcast. And Will explain to me that it's possible. That he just go dark. It's not possible. Look, I mean, there were some of the issues people said, you know, in the future, we want to hear the host. We want to be able to see him at times during the live broadcast. So I've done a lot. I've, I've, I've even considered cutting down the trees outside my window. They're giving me kind of a green tint in the past. We're working on it. But, but there's been a total studio overhaul. Yeah, well, we like to, you know, the thing is I think you kind of glitching out and having massive technical issues during the broadcast adds to the lure of what we're doing here. Like, it's not when I'm trying to be fancy.

We're not trying to be cable news. If I have to go solo and, you know, tight wire act, I'm going to do it. And that's just that. And, you know, your internet, if it's like raining outside, it might fritz out. And that's just how we roll. And people are on for the ride, I think. Well, you know, I'm broadcasting from an undisclosed location from a bunker, you know, and you just can't get the best internet in the bunker these days.

In all that seriousness, we, I worry we might go for like an hour today. So if people are watching, buckle up, we have so much to talk about. We're going to start with the IRS settlement. There's some breaking news around that. But we're going to go from there to a truly remarkable Bible reading that Trump gave yesterday, which was actually a recorded Bible reading from a past Bible reading he did where, let's just say the man's not totally up on his King James Bible, it appears. It's got to be nice and tidy in the teleprompter for him to get it right, maybe some cuts on the video.

We're going to be talking about Cash Patel, Snorkeland with the corpses of the people who were bombed in Pearl Harbor. And we're going to be talking about, of course, clavicular and whether he was mugged, by his judge in one of his trials when he shot an alligator. We're talking about Tom Massey, maybe doing a little blow and having a little fun. Whatever. Who cares? Some dirty tricks being played in the election. And then we'll, don't even say what it's about because it's so bizarre.

We were talking about before we came on. There's a real treat at the end. Just absolutely mind-blowing weirdness involving a threesome and a gory pet. That's all I'm going to say. Did I get that right? That's what people like to hear. Look, the kicker, it's going to be, we got the Groyd pad in the back pocket. Just so if you're watching this, you have to stick to the end to get the story about the threesome and the groy pet.

Okay, it's worth it. But it may be a while, but it's worth it. So grab your popcorn, strap on in. It's Maga Monday. It's Maga Monday. All right. Let's talk about the breaking news. So IRS, look, Trump was suing his own government, the IRS for the disclosure of his tax returns.

he was suing them for what, $10 billion? Tidy little number, you know. It's a convenient, elegant number, $10 billion, maybe a little bit of money, but whatever. And then there's a lot of talk about last week a $1.7 billion settlement that they could cut. Trump, again, cutting a deal with his own government, which he obviously controls.

And then there was a little bit of backlash about the idea that there would be a $1.5 billion settlement slush fund that he would just pay to those politically prosecuted by the Biden administration. This came out like 10 minutes ago. And it is a notification that the dispute is now over. They've dismissed the suit. That'll be Trump and his sons have dismissed the suit

against the IRS. There's no word about a settlement fund in here. But that doesn't mean it doesn't exist. So I did a cursory read of it. You've looked at it too. What do you make of it? Yeah. So the back story here, as you said, I mean,

this relates to the leak of their tax returns to the New York Times. And the challenge is that, the judge in the case was saying rather reasonably, well, wait a minute. How can you be, you know, both the plaintiff and the defendant? I mean, this sort of seems like, you know, essentially she had said, I want to talk to the lawyers in this case and find out if there has been like collusion or if there's like orders coming from Trump about what's going on here. And so instead, it seems like, you know, we don't know about the settlement right now,

but I suspect if there is a settlement, it's going to turn out that basically they said, well, rather that, why do we need this judge involved? Let's just cut a side deal. Let's settle the case before the judge can stop us, throw this case out of court, and then create this settlement fund along the way. Now, again, the key here is that the judge was about to rule about whether this whole thing should have been thrown out because of how clear the conflicts are, Trump suing his own government that he's controlling and then making a settlement. And they just move expeditiously to try to get some resolution here. We don't know if there's a settlement in there. But you've been looking into this, and I don't want to tease too much, but tease a little bit like

what's coming out of your reporting on this? Yeah. So, I mean, the theory is that, you know, and who knows now that the case is out of court, but the idea was, well, maybe if the money was to go towards someone else, like, if it wouldn't go directly towards Donald Trump, maybe the money, they would be okay for him to sue and then take the money and give it to his cronies. And so the idea was that there would be this settlement fund that would go to, you know, other victims of DOJ overreach of the weaponization of the Biden Justice Department,

such as, for example, various crooks surrounding Trump or supporting him. And the big one, probably the largest group in question here would be the January 6th rioters. And so now everyone is licking their chops and saying, oh my gosh, $1.7 billion. Ooh, I'd like to cut off a good $30 million for myself. And so this has created a lot of agita. We're going to get into this in False Flag tonight. But basically some lawyers who have quit the case saying, you know, we'll never get our reparations are suddenly back. And they're saying, I never abandon you, my beloved rioters.

And then the rioters are saying, well, it kind of seems like I'll just have to fill out a form. I probably won't even have to sue. What do I need a lawyer for? Why do you need a 30% cut? And so there's there's a lot of drama that's been creative. I just is so well, again, with the caveat that we don't know what's in here. And DOJ as of now is not talking. White House isn't talking about what might be the resolution here. But the notion that they'd just put aside $1.7 billion and then let Trump basically dole it out how he feels. fit is insanely corrupt to a degree that I don't think people appreciate. I mean, it's just, first of all, where's the money even coming from?

Like, how did he get $1.7 billion if that's indeed what it is? There's like a little side pocket in the DOJ budget where you can just take this money. I don't understand it. Like, where would the money come from? Do we know? You know, we don't really, I'm seeing some supporters of the settlement such as it is, arguing that, well, you know, we could. I guess there's some amount of money the government sets aside for,

settlements like this. And so that's budgeted for. You know, I, maybe. Again, I mean, like, it's not a great argument. You know, I wouldn't want to make it. I mean, they've compared it to, I think the Times article mentioned that, you know, in the past, there was like a settlement with, I believe, Native American farmers who didn't receive farm aid, which is like a legitimate thing. And now they're saying, you know, it'll just be like that, except it's a slush fund for like Peter Navarro and Steve Bannon. Boy, it's rough. It's shocking. I can't. Part of me wants to believe that Trump floated that.

And like, that's why there were some stories last week. They floated the 1.7 bill just to see if it could like pass muster. And maybe they kind of realized how much backlash they would get. But we don't know. We're going to be monitoring this one because. Yeah, I'm sure Trump's going to back down on this one. He won't want his paws on nearly $2 billion. What am I talking about?

I'm an idiot. What the fuck? Stupid Sam. Go ahead. Yeah, you know, just the other thing I'd add here is that, like, the idea of, like, January 6th reparations has been really, like, I think, driving a lot of these people crazy because, like, a lot of them, you know, are often poor. They are, they have struggled to get their lives back on track after going to jail. And so they're just constantly been like, when's my ship going to come in? And the idea that this is actually going to happen. Even, you know, Tim talked last week. He was running through the January 6 criminals after being pardoned. And one guy was like, like a sex criminal. And he was promising his victim, don't worry, I'll buy you off with a piece of. my reparations cash. So this is like a very big deal in certain parts of the right wing psyche. Oh, boy. Okay. Well, we're going to monitor this one. If we see news while we are broadcasting live on the details of the settlement, I'll just kind of jump in and try to, you know, give you

the news. But for now, I mean, you know, it just drives me nuts. It's crazy. Will's not normally animated. For now, all we know is that some sort of resolution has been reached. They've withdrawn the lawsuit against the IRS. In that filing, there is no details about whether there is a settlement or not. But yeah, it's just a two-page filing that was offered this morning. All right, to this weekend. So there was a gathering on the mall in anticipation of America's 250th anniversary. This one is a religious gathering. I wish I had the actual name of the organizing entity. I think it's like Rededicate 250. Okay, rededicate 250. Okay, rededicate We'll go with that.

If it's wrong, God can curse will for that. Trump, Trump, now look, I don't think Trump's ever been confused as a big, you know, church guy, although he's tried to, you know, show his bona fides every now. And then Trump literally mailed this one in, okay? I'm not trying to be like over the top. He, it looks like he took an old recording that he had made for the some sort of collective Bible reading that they had done a couple weeks ago. And just sent the recording. And I just like, it's literally, I mean, unless I'm missing something, he's wearing the exact same tie. He's reading the exact same verse from the King James Bible.

It's just, I guess he said, you know what, I've done this recording already? I'm going to give them this. It's my best work. I'm going to give them, give them the recording. And so they played this video that they had just played a couple weeks ago. Am I, am I crazy? It does look like the same one. Right.

No, I mean, that's it. Yeah, as you said, I believe this video originally was from like a sort of prominent Americans read passages from the Bible series. And it looks like he's like, you know what? I don't know. Send him the last thing we sent to the religious people. We got it in the can already. No one bothered to be like, hey, Mr. President, that's the one you did a couple weeks ago.

You know, these people are, they come all to Washington to hear from you. Maybe give him a new verse or a new read. Just put on a new tie. He didn't bother to do it. So anyways, that's one element of this. We're going to play a video a second. That was really hilarious. The other is the way that he clearly is struggling with it.

And look, I'm an idiot and I don't know the King James Bible. And when Andrew Eager passed us the verse, I pulled it up. And, you know, it's a complicated verse. And there's, you know, some tricky turns of phrases in there. So I probably would have butchered it too. But I'm also not the president trying to appeal to a vast swath of religiously minded voters. Here is Donald Trump reading a portion of the King James Bible. Thus Solomon finished the house of the Lord and the King's house

and all that came into Solomon's heart to make in the house of the Lord and in his own house he prosperously affected. And the Lord appeared to Solomon by night and said to him, I have heard your prayer and have chosen this place to myself for a house of sacrifice. If I shut up heaven, that there be no rain, or if I command the locust to devour the land, or if I send pestilence among my people, if my people which are called by my name shall humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then will I hear from heaven.

Beautiful. All right. Prosperiously affected. I'm not sure I knew that one. What do you think? Well, are you convinced? Well, I feel like he could have done a new take. You know, at least they could have been the first time he came out.

They said, oh, we kind of mangled that prosperously. You know, one thing I want to note here is Tucker Carlson was recently saying that Trump didn't swear, wasn't sworn in at his inauguration on a Bible because he's the Antichrist. And I'll note there that Trump is touching the Bible. He's got his hands all over the Bible. So, you know, maybe that's kind of a rebuttal to Tucker. You think he was signaling? He was saying, hey, Tucker.

my hands do not catch on fire. Look, look, I'm touching the Bible, Tucker. It's prosperously affected, folks, not prosperously. I will note there's a number of different edit cuts in there. That's screaming to me that this might not have been one take time. Well, you know, I think we can see here that he, you know, it's sort of like someone's reading something and they're not really like comprehending what because he's kind of just like, I'm just going to read it with the same tone. I'm not going to like pause or anything. Yeah, and then prosperously, you know, it's.

Yeah, so I do think here he was maybe struggling a bit. Yeah, I have a little sympathy, I suppose. I had to do the hosting duty this morning on way too early for MS now. And the teleprompter got kind of janky on me towards the end. And they just, like different script was loaded in. It was like, you know, instead of loading actual, you know, teleprompter stuff, it was like an article mixed with teleprompter stuff. And the words just didn't make sense.

And I was just reading it like Ron Burgundy. and looking like a total lunatic while reading it. And I was just saying words. And they just did not compute. And anyone who's actually listening must have been like, what is Sam talking about? It makes sense. But that was live.

That was live. This was clearly not live. Yeah. You know, look, I mean, I think he's a guy who has a complex relationship with faith. And with that in mind, let's dive into Eric Metaxus. Okay, yeah. You set it up. Who's Eric Metaxus?

Eric Metaxis is a prominent evangelical. I think he's a talk radio host. He's definitely a podcaster. He's like a prominent evangelical Trump supporter. My brush with Eric Metaxus or the story that always rings to mind me. After the first Trump inauguration, you know, the Trump people were out. They were celebrating in the streets. And a guy went by on a lime scooter.

And I think he said like F Trump. And Eric Metaxus just clocks him or kind of like to whack him. Yeah. And so, you know, I mean, totally unprovoked. Did he connect? Oh, yeah. I mean, he whacked the guy. So this is your man of faith here.

All right. Let's watch them. Hard to believe that I would take two centuries for the Lord to raise up a great man to bring that ballroom finally to stand where it needs to stand. It's extraordinary. We only had to wait 200 years. I can't believe it took two. The Lord kept the ballroom for us for 200 years. I mean what?

What are we talking about? God's great plan is for this ballroom to be constructed clearly. Do people realize how they sound when they do these things? It's crazy. I mean, I don't know how you could say that with a straight face. I mean, I love that, you know, I guess the previous ballroom argument that it's for safety after the shooting and everything. That's been discarded. Maybe that didn't have the juice. Now it's like a Noah's Ark type type of, God said we got to build it. I didn't thought about it as Noah's Ark.

That's a good point. God said a party's going to come and you need a ballroom. You need to be in the bomb for the flood. That's what's going to happen. They got to save, and two of each magotype has got to be in there so that you can survive the flood. Between this and the big golden Trump statue, it's getting a little bit wild on the conservative religious right. You know, I do think it's one of these things where, like, in retrospect, where you may be like, that was pretty crazy that you may be something. I mean, they are really, I mean, obviously Trumpism has been a cult of personality for a while, but at the point where,

you're saying, you know, God picked this man to build, you know, his, his toy ballroom. And, you know, here's the golden statue. I mean, it is, I don't think the optics are great there. Well, what's also wild is how they, people applauded? They're like, it was like, you know, cattle. Yeah, ballroom. The other thing, I guess with the ballroom, let's just stay there for a second. So the money that they tried to get for the ballroom in that reconciliation bill, the $1 billion, got Nix.

by the Senate parliamentarian over the weekend. Basically, long story short, you can only put like budget-related matters into those things. And I guess the parliamentarian ruled that this is clearly not related to budget. It's, you know, about Trump's ego. Now, I imagine they're going to try to recast it to make it parliamentarian friendly so that it can get in there. But there's no guarantee that it's going to get passed through the Senate.

There might be four Republicans who are just like, nah, we don't need to spend a billion dollars on this. So that's where things stand now. And it left me wondering, like, what if there's just like a big gaping hole that's just there for a while, like, past his presidency? That's like not, I wouldn't put that at a zero probability at this point. I mean, we're talking like, what, two and a half more years? Greg, me, if I'm wrong, wasn't the ballroom supposed to be funded by donors? Yes, obviously.

And so now they need like a billion dollars for it? This is crazy. Well, maybe this is what the settlement is for the IRS. Yeah, I mean, honestly, I would rather the settlement go towards the ballroom. You know, I mean, if they have knocked it down like that, I think, yeah. Well, I mean, if the, if the options are like slush front for the J-6ers or the ballroom, yeah, I'd take the fucking ballroom. Sure. But I feel like that's a binary choice that I don't need to have.

I feel like this would be like, don't you feel like we should have other options? Like maybe don't knock down the fucking East Wing and then hope to hope that the money somehow comes up. up, it's insane. It's crazy. I would just say, that's the third or fourth time you said, it's crazy. And that's got to be your catchphrase now. Oh, my. Well, you know, what can I say? It often is. I mean, but we could end up with like a big gaping hole where the East Wing once was and just no way to figure it out because Trump's private funds haven't come through. Well, I think that's right. And, you know, I think the idea, I mean, this is very kind of Trumpian move. And clearly they were kind of trying to make this fate a complete where they, you know,

knock it down and then they say well you know we got to put it back together i mean it's kind of like when they dumped all the potentially asbestos stuff on the on the on the east potomac park when they just said here you go i guess we got to remodel it because there's a bunch of asbestos on it now or when they started filling the reflecting pool with like what they call american flag blue and then it started changing colors because they're doing it at the wrong time and like i'm all shit we got to keep going because it's only halfway filled man it's crazy and now they're going to build a helipad Did you see that this was this morning? Yeah, what's okay.

I will say this about the helipad. It's the one upgrade that I can kind of get in my head around. Like if these marine ones are actually burning the grass, then yeah, get a helipad. That I'm not going to lose sleep over a helipad. That makes sense to me. Am I crazy? No, I just think sort of the renovations, goodwill, the property flipper, whatever. He's burned through his goodwill on fixing up the White House, I think.

Because like the previous stuff, I mean, even going back to the, The Rose Garden. We don't even talk about that anymore. I know. It's gone. They paved that over. Everything's getting paved. And, you know, they're changing the parking, the Pennsylvania Avenue right in front of the White House.

Although I guess that's temporary just for parking now. But yeah, I was playing this game with my family. Like, what's the next thing he's going to renovate in D.C.? And you want to know what they guessed? What's that? The Martin Luther King Memorial, making it the Martin Luther Trump Memorial. Yeah, I don't think. Put Trump.

right next to him. You know, two civil rights icons. I got to share the property, I suppose. It's fucked. We'll see if he's got any other designs. At some point, you think he'd be like, all right, I have a few projects, like, going. Maybe I should finish one before I get to the next. Well, you know, we're still waiting on the arch, right?

And so that's coming. Well, so that was the other thing. It's like maybe it's happening currently because they were looking out at the property and there's doing something over there. And a congressman who has some oversight went over there last week to just check it out. And he was pretty convinced that they actually had started. Oh my gosh. All right, I got to go over there.

I want to see it. You know, I was thinking about that. Someone should go over there, but also someone should go to the asbestos pile on East Potomac and grab a little sample of it and get it tested. People have done that. There was a test. I think the park service said that there's some chemical stuff in it. Oh, okay.

Never meant. Well, there goes that. I was going to make Jared go over there and eat it and then see what happened. See how we'll check on Jared in a week. Yeah. He didn't like document what happens to you, Jared. This is called immersion journalism. All right.

Cash Patel, our boy. Look, he loves traveling. Our favorite FBI doctor. That's the other story I wanted to do. We got to document all the... Cash is living like a great life. He's doing insanely fun things that, you know, if I were in my 20s and wasn't tied down with kids, and I had the opportunity to do those types of things, that'd be all right.

That'd be awesome. Like, you know, go to concerts. Check out the Olympic hockey team. Snorkel in crazy locations, like all this stuff. But he's the FBI director, and it's causing some problems. So last week, obviously, the story broke that he'd gotten some sort of VIP snorkel at the USS, Arizona. Now, I would encourage people to read our own Mark Hurtling's piece about how sacrilegious is and how absurd it is. And apparently this happens every now and then, and dignitaries get this.

But it's not a great look. Someone compared it to playing like a game of flag football in Arlington National Cemetery. It's just not a little gauche. Caches, people are really mad about this, naturally. They don't like it. But the New York Times story kind of delivered the goods. They also had this little nuggy about his girlfriend, Alexis Wilkins.

What do we call her here? The country music sensation. Satan, yes, country music sensation, Alexis Wilkins. She went to apparently some fentanylil briefing. with him. Did you read that? Yes. Well, you're kind of skiing. Yeah, I was like reading the article that it's like, oh, there's Alexis at the closed door meeting. Yeah. What was that about? She said she was, she worked for some anti-fentanyl group. I couldn't even follow the logic.

Yeah, I mean, I think that's the argument. I mean, it is just so, you know, one thing that I think is worth noting here about the Hawaii stuff is, you know, he often has sort of a pretext for this. Like, for example, in this Hawaii trip, I believe he also went to Australia and New Zealand. to visit the FBI offices there. You know, I'm not seeing a lot of trips to maybe less exciting locations to visit the FBI office in Algeria or wherever. Like, it's a lot of just like, you know what?

It also coincides with, you know, maybe my girlfriend's country music concert or where she lives or a wrestling match we want to go to. So it's a bit of a pretext. Well, in this case, there was also the, it was a George Strait concert that they went to? I'm trying to get that data.

Yeah, yeah, so George Strait, you big George Strait fan? I like George Strait, but I'm not a huge country guy. Yeah, me neither. But apparently, you know, cash is. And so he was in this like private box. The time said it would have gone for 35 to 50K. I mean, pretty crazy.

And it's unclear who paid for it. So it's, look, as you said, I mean, he's living a sick life. There's no doubt about it. But people will say, what, you don't think cash should be able to chug a beer with his boys on the hockey team? I'm not really. I think it's fine. But, but he is the FBI director. You know, that's kind of the one.

The one wrinkle, his defenders often skip over. Yeah, and that and then he also had very publicly criticized his predecessors for using their jet for unofficial business. And he's just absolutely burning the jet fumes going from place to place. And you're right. Like he's not going to like anywhere that seems kind of unfun. It's like I got to go check out the Hawaii office. Yeah, the New Zealand office. It's going down with the Kiwis.

Yeah, the Milan office needs a visit. I'm coming up. Got to do it. I'll be the guy for the job. I don't want to do it, but I got to do it. You know, and if I were him, I guess at this point,

with the preponderance of evidence that you're just kind of using this as a junk kit, I'd stop doing it. I would just kind of like dial it back a little bit because I don't want to get caught in another one of these instances. But it doesn't seem like he's really dialed it back at all. Well, you know what?

He clearly is a cosmic. He's a jet-setting kind of guy and he loves the snorkeling, you know, you just can't snorkel at the graves. I know people have done it in the past, but I think if you're going to be the traveling FBI director, you probably want to avoid that one. Yeah, just say no. Like you don't have to do it. You can just do your job and that's that.

And yet he's a survivalist. We talked about this a bunch. He is just sticking around. Others may have fallen, but cash is just keeping on, keeping on. And that's that. All right, let's take a little quick break. We got to fund this bad boy. so we're going to take a quick break from our paid sponsor that would be Zock doc.

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He's probably going to lose. It doesn't look great. But, you know, he's fighting a fight. And what's very telling is just he has got the kitchen sink being thrown to him by basically every trumpist out there. Benny Johnson's taking a real liking to go. going after him and it's causing some stir with Marjorie Taylor Green. We haven't really, we could talk about it. You want to talk about that quickly?

Like that is some fiery stuff there. And then we'll get into the Lumer stuff. Have you found that, TG, Ben, anything? Yeah, so basically, you know, Marjorie Taylor Green is very supportive of Massey. She resigned from Congress, as we know. She was on a trip to Costa Rica with her, her fiancee, who was a right wing media character, White House reporter. And Laura-

Ex- White House reporter, he retired. Yes, he retired out of love. Yes, it was very romantic. is basically, I think it was difficult to be around Trump. And so they went to Costa Rica. Laura claimed they had bought a house and essentially fled the country, which, you know, would have made a great story. But Marjorie Taylor Green claims she has not fled and then she really got into it with

Benny, who, you know, he's going to do kind of whatever Trump world wants him to do. So he was really tearing into her. Yeah, and she tore right back. But the, I mean, this is all part of like what is just an absolute avalanche of APA being thrown at Massey right before the election. It's usual stuff. Almost always involves some sort of weird sex scandal and things like that. In this case, I think we alluded to this last week,

but there's a woman named Cynthia West who was in a relationship with Tom Massey after Tom Massey's wife of like 31 years passed. And suddenly a week or two before the primary, she comes forward and says all these things about Massey and the husband, the husband of Cynthia West, says old tweets, like, hey, stop having sex with my wife and stuff like that. And anyways, Lumer now apparently is talking to Cynthia West and has some incredibly wild accusations. This is Laura Lumer. So take your salt shaker, rub it all over them.

But Will, can you give me the top lines? This is an interesting one. So yes, as you said, so Laura claims that she's interviewed Cynthia West. She's going to be debuting the video, I think, later today. One thing, there are clearly like a lot of like kind of political operatives in the background here. You know, Cynthia West claimed to have visited Mara Lago a few months ago. Yes, she tweeted it. So this is not new.

She had tweeted that she was on her way to Mara Lago. Guess who's headed to Mara Lago, parentheses, to spill the beans about my ex-boyfriend Thomas Massey. And so the, so there's something going on here. But basically, now she's talking to Lumer. And so in the initial video she put out, she was like, I broke up with. Thomas because I was uncomfortable with some sexual things he wanted me to do. Now, look, I don't know. But now Lumer claims, Lumer claims that it was like, sort of like some, he wanted some,

like, kind of like dirty talk about, like, having sex with, like, a 19 or 20 year old. And then he wanted them to meet up with a couple that Cynthia felt were swingers and maybe cocaine users. And so, I mean, look, this, this is like, you know, this is like baseline stuff for a libertarian, right? But, you know, yeah, let's see here. These baseline stuff for a listener. This is Lumer.

I asked her if she was suggesting Massey was asking her to engage in Swinger meetups. And she said, yes. They were going to meet up with the couple. He demanded that she sexualized in stories while they were intimate intimate, intimate. And then when she said, no, I'm not into that. He said, you are selfish for not satisfying my needs. It is, it's a strange situation. And they're really, you know, like we talked about before, this is, I don't think there's anything necessarily wrong here that Thomas Massey did. But it's sort of, again, not what you want. coming out right before your kind of desperate battle for re-election. I mean, I'm just blown away that she did what she's calling a two-hour exclusive. Two hours. Like, how do you build out two hours of material off this shit? We're at 31 minutes and I'm exhausted. I'm just really curious about what is motivating this woman to do it. I mean, because she, at the point where you're like sitting through the rumor.

It's journalistic integrity. Laura Limer just cares about the story. Oh, I mean, I know it's motivating Lumer. Oh, okay. But what is, you know, that she is now just so like on the circuit? Because she started out with this kind of Kentucky activist lawyer. It was very weird. And now she's like plugged in.

I'm going to sit down for the Lumer Unleashed interview. Yeah. Okay. So the idea here is that Tom Massey likes to talk Dernie and watches maybe porn and potentially did a little blow and had sex. And I mean, okay. He's into the pineapple. culture as they say is that what they say what can that's a swinger code word like if you ever are on a cruise and you see people with like a room decorated with pineapples you know that's going on there

well we did that whole maga cruise story we never mentioned that on the maga cruise story that i should have clued them in why did you not i mean i don't at some point like i would like to believe that people see through this type of shit right this happens all the time right before an election, there's always some shoe to drop. You know, Hunter Biden laptop was like right before the election. It's just, this stuff is constant. And, you know, this one is particularly transparent where this woman is just out of nowhere coming forward.

But like, is the accusation that Massey did something terribly wrong or that he is like kind of a kink? Like he's got some kinks for like, you know, swinging. Yeah, I mean, I think it's the latter. I mean, look, I do think that this is somewhat of a judgmental group. I don't think these are people who are sort of like, you know, whatever gets your rocks off, particularly. Why are they judgmental? They're the king.

Well, they're often the most twisted of them all. Yes. I mean, give me a break. Like, we've gone through the transcripts. We have the text. These guys are freaks. We're going to get into one of the situations with the Roy Pett. You know, talking about, you know, Marjorie Taylor Green with the Arby's in the pants.

I mean, these are some twisted characters. But, you know, yeah, I mean, look, I think it also kind of dovetails with, Obviously, we know Trump was really hitting Massey, feeling that he got married to, by the way, another woman, you know, too soon after his wife died. I think it was like a year. And so now you say, well, Thomas Massey wanted to go to allegedly sort of a swingers, cocaine swingers party, you know, two, three months after his wife died. You know, it's a little, you know, unpalatable. What do you think is going to happen here? I mean, Massey, it looks like Massey's kind of sputtering a little bit.

And then combine that with what happened in Indiana, with the state's sex. senators who got just annihilated by Trump and then Bill Cassidy this weekend, who obviously lost Trump. Maga must be like flexing their shit right now. Yeah, I think they're pumped. And, you know, he would be a big, big head for them to chop off. So I think they're, and, you know, look, I mean, and the Bober thing, we didn't talk about that.

Bobert. He went up, Trump went after Bobert. Yep. Says, let's get her a primary challenge or happen to be that it's like two months after the filing deadline, but whatever. I mean, it's just you cannot, again, if you are, it doesn't matter. You cross the guy once and you are just done. Now, Massey's crossed him a bunch of times.

But no one's arguing that Tom Massey is like unprincipled here. You know, it is, it's pretty good dirt, though. I have to admit, it's pretty salacious. Yeah, that's why we're talking about it. I will say, Lumer, look, Lumer, this is her, this is her bag. We're watching a master at work. Yes. And if she knows, she knows what it's like to be caught in the moment.

and we can play a little evidence of that. Let's do. All right people want to put me in a gas chamber. I think they're just meming on you, but it's okay. It's okay. I don't care. I love it. It'd be like that sometimes.

I know. They're just jealous because I have big tits and an Oshkinaw's not the IQ. Yes, that's what it is. You got it. Anyway, next time you're in New York, let me know. We'll all hang out. We'll go to, like, really cool restaurants and hang out. We'll have a blast.

Yes, I will bring my girlfriend. Yeah. I want to meet what's Becca? Yeah. Of course, that was Laura hitting on future eco-fascist Mike Ma. Bring your girlfriend, Mike. We'll hang out. See, maybe Massey will bring that back up. All right, we got a few more to rock through here.

They're all good. Let's just very briefly, I want to talk about Matt Walsh. Just an incredible post about Rosa Parks. And I'm a little bit worried that Matt is just discovering US history in real time and just figuring that no one else has made these discoveries. But this is what he had to say about Rosa Parks, civil rights icon. Mark's story you were taught in school was fake too. This was not just some woman on her way home from work. Civil rights leaders thought Parks would make a sympathetic face for their lawsuit and then told her

a longtime NAACP volunteer to create a situation where she'd be arrested. This gets sold to the public as totally organic when actually it's play acting to create ideal conditions for a court case or scandal. The iconic photo of Parks on the bus was staged months after the incident as part of a press campaign. The white man sitting behind her in the bus photo was a journalist, which you probably didn't know. Wow. I did know. You know, that's pretty messed up to put some planning into your campaign to desegregate buses. It was all fake.

Oh, my God. Who knew that about Rosa Parks? that she was actually an official at the NAACP? I had no idea. You know, that's a big Matt Walsh thing. He goes on these campaigns to like, you know, I'm going to, you know, tell the real civil rights truth. Does he know about Iwo Jima in the photo there?

Do you think, or should he tell you, should he blow that story up too for us? Let's tip him off. Jeez, who are these people? All right, clavicular. Clavicular. I'm setting the stage for you. Give us, give it.

What actually, why was he in court? Who is this judge? What happened? This is your canvas here. Clivicular, you know, the famous looksmaxer. He's facing a lot of allegations. But most recently, he was in court last week on charges of discharging a, you know, illegally discharging a weapon after he shot a dead alligator while on a swamp boat ride

with another guy who's, you know, I can't even remember. He's a crazy name. It's like Atlas or something. And so it's like two looks maxers on a fan. boat and look things are going to get a little crazy and so they just charged their weapons into the alligator and so then they were brought up on charges and they met a very handsome judge well what's the so the judge is where in florida judges in florida yes and he's determining whether clavicular has to do like community service yeah yeah so clavicular entered entered a plea to avoid jail time and then the judge is

going to sentence him to like probation or community service clavicular is really you know he's he's got nine lives this guy. He is avoiding jail time left and right, but he's coming close. Well, you know, clivocal, and we'll get to, you know, the Chud the Builder situation shortly, but like, but basically clivicular is one of these guys who he is, he's living life on a razor's edge, right? I mean, he had the overdose, as we wrote about, he's cozying up with affiliates of the Israeli mafia. So he's sort of headed to what one imagines as sort of like the lengthy prison term that will bring everything to a halt, or perhaps worse. But, you know, for now, you know, he's living that lifestyle.

I thought he said he was going to try to clean it up a little bit, or is that not true? Well, you know, the things I've been hearing from the clivocular camp suggests that, you know, and not a direct comment on the drugs, but just sort of that, you know, he's unlucky. You can turn on his live stream at click dot kick.com slash clificular. You know, he's still having fun out there. Definitely is. All right. So this judge comes in and he puts him into, gives him probation or whatever it is.

And immediately the commentary is, oh, no, this judge is good looking and he just mugged the fuck out of clavicular. And it's not great for clavicular. But clavicular fans are like not having it. And they are dissecting this judge's jaw line in ways that is, I will say, fairly homerotic. But maybe that's just me. Loving. Yes. Yeah.

Yeah. I can't even read it. What are they saying here? Yeah. So the thing to understand. Just the face of the picture. So, yeah, so they have all these like kind of like, like plotting and they're saying, you know, like how far are his eyebrows apart? I mean, this is something if you ever, there are these guys on Reddit who are very into this.

And like if you post your picture and it'll be like a good looking person or like sort of a classically like thought of as a beautiful actress. And they'll say, yeah, she's like a five because they have these like very specific ways of like analyzing. They're saying like brow line balanced. Good. Yeah. So the philtrum length, so the philtrum being the area under your nose. They're kind of hitting the judge here. They're saying his filtrum is short.

He has a minor asymmetry on his face. I mean, he's like a pretty handsome guy. There's no doubt about it. But they're saying the clavicular mocks him any day of the week. Yeah, I'm looking at what they say is bad. And I guess the eye width is average, which is fine, I guess. This is what we call predator eyes versus prey eyes. So I think if you have the eyes far apart, it's a predator.

If you have them too close together, it's pre. Face length width is ideal. What else? Chin height, proportionate. He's got some good scores. Chin projection is ideal. Overall, pleasing facial harmony. So they're not saying, look, I mean, he's certainly handsome for a judge,

but is he handsome enough to be a loxmacher or be maugging? You know, maybe not. The symmetry analysis, left-right division is minor asymmetry. That's not great. You don't want that. You don't want that. I think he's a good looking judge. I feel like he mugged him.

Well, you know, it was smart of the judicial system to pick this guy because I don't think Clivicular would have taken a normie, a high tier normie. He wouldn't have respected that person. But like, I think if you have another maugger in there, Clivocular is going to say, okay, maybe I do need to clean up my life. Leave the Gators alone. All right. Well, what's next for Clavico then?

He's got you service? Yeah, I think he's facing some community service. You know, he's got to stay on the straight and narrow by the state. standards of clavicular. You know, he's got a, you know, maybe. When he's doing service, does he live stream or is he not allowed to do that? That's a pretty good idea. They probably wouldn't let him. But I do think if his probation officer, someone could be a character, if he could do the chain gang and then they could send in the super chats, you know, and say, clavicular, there's trash over there, pick it up. Might be a good idea. I mean, it would probably be a public service.

You mentioned Chud the Builder. We talked about him, or you wrote about him last week. This dude shot someone because he's a racist and goes around trying to provoke racist racial clashes. What's the status of his case situation, etc.? Yeah, this guy makes clavicular look like such a good guy, like a Boy Scout. But basically, as you said, this guy's whole deal really unplanned, like one of the worst people I've ever covered. I'll just say that. Yeah. And he just goes around and he, you know, says the N-word to black people and they get mad and he goes, oh, you know, here, this proves what I'm saying, folks. And so ultimately this climaxed with an incident on Wednesday outside of a courthouse.

I think he had a civil date and he showed up. And then some guy, you know, their dispute began. And then Clevica, or excuse me, Chud the builder shot the guy. Unfortunately, the guy survived. He got life-flighted. But you know, as you can imagine, a shooting outside of a courthouse. People are also freaking out. Chud also shot himself, you know, sort of grazed himself.

And so now he's basically or accidentally? Accidentally, accidentally. And so he's facing attempted murder and some other charges. And so the big, the big moment was his bail was set at 1.25 million. And he said, oh, no, he looked, but basically, we're seeing, unfortunately, a real groundswell of support for Chud on the far right. You know, he's raised 200 grand just since the shooting. It's really awful. There's like a free Dalton.

That's his real name. Isn't this why they made the IRS settlement? Oh, man. This is all going straight to Chud to bail him out. Whatever's not left. Whatever's left over from the ballroom construction goes to Chud. Fuck. Don't get any ideas. All right. So is he going to make bail now? He's only got $200,000.

Yeah, well, he's only got $200,000. And there, I think, are some efforts to prevent him from using the GoFundMe, or I shouldn't say go fund me, the give send go to bail himself out. I think we have video of Chud hearing his bail in court. At 1.25 million. Based upon the fact that many people in the courtyard. We got it. There's just a moment where he's like, I want to do it. I want to do it. Did I do it?

This is a guy who everything, I mean, it was truly crazy. Like he would walk around and then when people got mad at him, understandably, he would say like, watch out or I'm going to shoot you. And like, you know, as we talk about, he had tweets being like, can't wait until I can shoot a guy in self-defense. And, you know, I think a lot of his fans were convinced that there was a big loophole in the law that allowed you to murder people, you know, willy-nilly. And it turns out that's not true. You can't just shoot people. Provoked. And there's also-

Shoot people being on self-defense. There's news reporting that has come out since then, suggesting that he had the gun before the guy attacked him. So actually, the guy was the one acting in self-defense. Okay. Well, look. Bleak. Yeah, not a great situation.

Of all the stories we've talked about, that is the worst. And we've talked about some bad stories. All right. We're 45 minutes in. Time. finally for the dessert. So I'm not going to be able to keep it together. So just go ahead.

All right. All right. So this one is a collision between Groyper, so Nick Fuentes fans, and sort of the Miami, Miami, what they call like dating podcast scene. So this is like a lot of live streamers. Clivicular is kind of in this world. I want to put on our comments section, because I want to watch people just absolutely become.

sort of enthralled by this and also mesmerized by why you walk in these waters. Go ahead. So this is a world where people may have seen these clips. Whenever I say people may have seen these clips, people go, no, I haven't seen those clips. So they get like a bunch of women, women who are, you know, kind of like nightclub ladies, maybe only fans ladies. And then they have guys like, there's one called Fresh and Fit. And so they have a guy named Fresh and Fit. And then they say like, what's your body count or like, how much do you want a man to make? and they'll say a million dollars, and they'll say, but you're a ho. It's really like enthralling content.

It's great. So then there's a guy named Sneiko, who's a very popular live streamer who's kind of part of that world. He, I believe, was in the clavicular Hale Hitler nightclub incident. But it's okay, so there's that set, right? Then also we have this woman named Amy Dangerfield, who is a great pet, and that's a lady griper. And so she had the conference a few weeks ago. We talked about that was like Nick Fuentes disowned it.

It was the guy with the daft punk mask. And so the fallout from this now, is that there's another woman named Zena the Witch. And she used to date. I think she dated Sneko. I think she dated Fit maybe from Fresh and Fit. But basically, so she's kind of like, she's kind of a loose canon in this world,

even by the standards of this whole universe. Zena the Witches. She and I have been in touch before because she's always threatening to blow up the scene. I was looking at my DMs with her, and there's a lot of her just not answering me being like, hello, Zena the Witch. I'd like to chat sometime.

But basically, Zena said, well, Amy, the Groypeth, who's now married to another guy, to her podcast producer, basically she said, Amy and I had a threesome with Sneiko. Now look, I want to, again, let's get out the old Laura Lumer Salt Shaker here. But Zena posted some text messages where basically she's saying, hey, Amy, reminder, don't tell anyone about our threesome with Sneco. Or Sneco's not, and then she goes, I'll never discuss our thursday. threesome with Sneco. And then there's another one where she says, you know, Sneko just mentioned, mentioned our threesome on his podcast. And she's like, what? So, so this is like, this is like the drama that's playing out. And also Zina says that she had

threesomes with a couple other trad girls. This is also kind of part of like the Elijah Schaefer, Sarah Stock universe. So let's just say there's a lot of trad talk going on. But there's, there's also, you know, when the, when the sun goes down in Miami, you know, some interesting things may be happening. Oh my God. Okay. So the threesome is now public record, I guess. I mean, public to the extent that Zena posted about it.

It hasn't made it to a court case yet. But I think it's, I mean, it's, let's just say that. I mean, the Groyper's, the Groyper's are eating today. And they're leaving no crumbs. I thought Groyper's were like not into this shit. Is it just like, maybe. Well, they like, well, because they don't like Amy because they feel that she tried to overthrow Nick Fuentes as the leading griper, right? Because she gave a speech or she gave a quote

to the New York Times where she was like, Nick's just podcasting. I'm out doing real stuff. And buddy, it turns out, you know, allegedly. You were doing something else. It's real, all right. It's real. It's really real. Oh my God. All right. I got to read some comments. This shit's too real. All right. Ann Bridges says, losing brain cells listening to this one. Well. So as well. Super Bruce says, I'm here for Lady Groyper. He also says, we'll need a live show called Ladies of the Groyper.

Someone's mostly mom says, hello, Zina the Witch is diabolical. We also get Douglas Trappaso, 344, whatever. Who are these people? And then my man, Joe Mullen, who I think I've read a comment. from Joe before I have to say he just writes I hate my life and Joe let me tell you I'm with you I don't like this but you know sometimes Zena Zina the witch has the receipts and that's when that's when you got to tune in all right we got to keep on this story this is too good I'm saying it's like if Lumer's gonna go after Massey she's got to turn her fire on on Zena the witch obviously I mean that's just

well you know Laura wades into this territory occasionally and she's sort of you know she I think she's been on fresh and fed and she she doesn't like what she sees You know, I think she sees it as sort of a decadent community. Robin with O.Y says, honestly, I often feel bad that Will has the job he does. Will, do you want to address that? Yeah, you know, a lot of people say, oh, Will, I feel bad for you. The bulwark should you give you a raise, which, you know, whatever, fair enough. But, like, but broadly, like, you know, that Will's like, you know, pickling his brain and formaldehyde or whatever.

But, but, you know, I, you know, my wife, was talking about this recently because someone said, oh, Will, how do you do it? And she was saying, she was like, he loves it. You know, he's just like, you know, I'm just a pig in my mud. And, you know, occasionally I bring some stuff out for y'all to enjoy. Yeah, you do sort of love. Let's just be real about it. And I have to read this because it's a $10 question. Although I have no idea.

This is from 1022. So it's a while ago. But Desert Navy says, you should wear an orange suit to the fight. Well, I'm not sure what that's in reference. But she did pay $10 to ask that stuff. Maybe the UFC fight? I'm not sure why. We didn't mention the UFC fight today.

So we didn't. Can't be about that. All right. Look, we didn't make an hour. One day we're going to make an hour on one of these Maga Mondays, but we just didn't do it today. But I'm proud of you because you didn't have any technical difficulties. This is a big step forward for you. Yeah, you know, it's held together with with bailing wire and you know, whatever else.

We pulled it off. So good. All right. Hey, also, folks, if anyone's out there in San Diego or the nearby towns and cities, you might not know this. But Will's coming out to do the last show with us. us. He's going to be there. It's going to be me, Will, Tim, so the trio, along with Sarah Longwell. We got the mayor of San Diego joining us, too. He's going to weigh in on Zena in the and the workplace, I'm assuming. He's dying. We got to ask the mayor. Mr. Mayor, what do you

make of that threesome that Zena was in? See, Zena the Witch, just to be clear. No, we're not going to ask the mayor about that. But it's going to be a great show. So if you haven't got your tickets yet, now has your chance because it's happening on Wednesday in San Diego. You're in LA, it's happening in LA, although Will's not going to accompany us there. We have too many people on stage already. You can get tickets at the bulwark.com slash events. That's the bulwark.com slash events. And one last time.

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All right, Will. Brother, looking forward to your fantastic false flag news letter this evening. He already teased it for us a little bit. It's about the slush fund that may or may not be happening with this IRS settlement and the race to lawyer up and get their hands on that money. We'll be watching for that. And for those who tuned in for all 53 minutes, really appreciate it. We promise one day we will get to an hour, just not today.

Take care. Peace. Thank you, everyone.