Bulwark Takes - We Suffer Though Trump’s Ritual Humiliation of His Cabinet
Episode Date: August 27, 2025Tim Miller and Sam Stein react to Donald Trump’s marathon three-hour cabinet meeting where he made several references to himself being a dictator, cabinet members sucked up to comical levels, and RF...K talked about windmills and whales.
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Hey, everybody. Tim Miller from the bulwark here with managing editor Sam Stein. Boy, we have had a day.
I just want to be candid with you guys at the start. I've been in the content minds here,
you know, doing a lot of interviews. And Donald Trump gave a three hour and a three hour long
televised cabinet meeting. It was longer. Three hours, 10 minutes. Something like that.
So Sam was, Sam was dipping in and out. I have had our team here pulled together some clips,
which I've watched. So I just, I want to be candid with everybody. I did not.
watch 210 minutes
of Donald Trump's cabinet meeting today
I've had other things to my plate I went to yoga
so anyway
we're going to react to the clips but before
we do I'm going to do something
totally unexpected for the Borg page Sam
is that okay okay yeah sure
I got to throw the guy
a bone
I mean
where is his energy coming from
I just I would love to do the dead
the Donald Trump's like on his
on his last legs the hands coverage
and the ankles.
I love the Alex Jones' ankles coverage.
They are like really big.
His ankles look like they're about 15 inches around.
And I think that we should be honest about kind of the evidence on both sides of the plate here.
There are some physical ailments that are notable.
But like, when does this dude fucking sleep?
Like he does an hour of makeup a day at least, you know, to put the orange face on.
He did three press conferences yesterday.
By all accounts, he's on the phone a lot.
People are calling him.
I mean, he's not sleeping.
He's bleeding like at late hours of the night.
Yeah.
It's, it is no.
I just, do you have to.
The guy can't do you?
I mean, it's notable.
I get tired.
I'm just myself, if I have a long day, I do three content activations.
I'm on Nicole.
I do a podcast.
I do a YouTube video with your dumb ass.
I got to read the news so I know what the takes are.
You know, you got to do bedtime with the kids.
But by the time 9.30 rolls around, sometimes I'm a little tuckered out.
And Trump, like...
And then you add to it, you add to it that his diet is atrocious, right?
It's not like he's got like the world's worst diet.
He's eating McDonald's and shit.
Like, he should be petering out.
Sure.
I'll hand it to the guy.
Anyway, go ahead and clip this, Bannon's War Room.
Go ahead.
Go ahead and clip this.
Now we'll have it for posterity.
You can have this, Greg Gutfeld.
Okay.
Anyway, that's going to be the last compliment, I think.
because the three hours and ten minutes weren't exactly a sign of mental.
Well, you know, I've come to think of it, though.
He's the president of the United States.
Like, shooting the shit with the press, I'm grateful for it.
Don't get me wrong.
Great content.
But I would imagine there are other more pressing matters on his plate.
Well, sure.
Again, there I have many critiques of Donald Trump.
It's what we do all day on this page.
So the most part, his judgment calls, his prioritization, you know, what he cares about and doesn't.
sure. But like, I mean, just blabbing there for three hours. I don't know. I know, I've got some
less than 80 year olds in my life that start to kind of doze off a little bit by our, by our,
our, you know, whatever, three. Okay. All right. Let's do a clip highlight reel. We're doing
the sports center style. We're going to go rapid fire. Section one here is the dictator soft launch,
part two. Yesterday, me and JVL did a YouTube on how he's doing kind of this, you know,
it's got a dictator. A float. Yeah, it's a float. It's a float. It's a
trial balloon. Let's play clip number one here. So the line is that I'm a dictator,
but I stop crime. So a lot of people say, you know, if that's the case, I'd rather have
a dictator, but I'm not a dictator. I just know how to stop crime. I'd rather have a dictator, Sam.
Yeah, he's been doing this one. You know, people, he just thinks people are yearning for a dictator.
And, you know, he doesn't want to be it. But if they ask, it's like Ron Burgundy, you know,
whipping out the jazz flute from his pocket.
Yeah, I couldn't possibly do this.
Oh, shit.
Here's the jazz flute.
So I'm a little bit nervous about this one.
It does seem like he's just priming the pump a little bit.
The fact that it's like day two or three of this is adding to my anxieties.
Yeah, well, here's another thing that should add to your anxieties.
Here's another club.
He's talking about what their plans are for Chicago.
I think crime will be the big subject of the midterms and will be the big subject of the next election.
Think of it.
They are, instead of saying Trump's right about crime, it's really bad in Chicago.
You have a guy in Illinois, the governor of Illinois, saying that crime has been much better in Chicago recently, and Trump is a dictator.
And most people say, if you call him a dictator, if he stops crime, he can be whatever he wants.
I'm not a dictator, by the way, but he can be whatever he wants.
So there it is again.
People are saying if he stops the crime in Chicago, he can be whatever he wants.
Sure.
He does the I'm not a dictator, by the way.
No, no.
But I don't.
Just to be clear.
Just to be clear.
I'm not addicted.
Yeah.
I find you here.
There's a real, a serious, I mean, there are a lot of serious reasons to find this alarming.
But just like a couple of the specific things I've noticed as a follower of this person now.
And I'm curious.
And I'm curious.
And I'm curious your take.
Is it like several times there have been things that he was floated really
extreme things that then came to fruition
like the other side of this
like what's all kinds of shit all the time like the Muslim
ban at first was kind of a
was kind of a lark like a
rally thing you know
and then we ended up banning Muslims for the country
for a little while so but then there's some stuff he does
that he doesn't do like we haven't conquered
Greenland we haven't conquered right
right but I don't think there's enough of a track
record of him being like well you know
we might have to do this where
then it becomes reality
that that's alarming.
And the other thing I find alarming is
there's just this asymmetry in the dialogue
on the Magorite world.
This is something that won't be clipped over there,
which is like, there's a handful of people who are like,
yeah, I think we need a dictator, Tucker recently.
Then there's a category of people who like, like the troll.
They're like, oh, yeah, Trump doing that dictator troll.
The libs are mad.
Let me show you a cup of Sam Stein on Morning Joe crying.
You know what I mean?
So that's positive.
And then you've got Trump saying it.
And then on the anti-dictator side, the only thing you hear from people is like, well, those lefties are a little bit alarmist, all right?
Like, he's just joking.
He's obviously joking.
So there's no one in the whole ecosystem that's like, you know what, actually, this is bad.
We shouldn't have a dictator.
We shouldn't joke about it.
And I think that eventually that, like, creates an environment where people start to acculturize themselves to it.
Is that too tedious?
No, no, I agree with that.
And I think he knows that.
I think this is just touching the stove type stuff, like seeing what kind of reaction he will engender from this.
But like, you know, it's the same thing with like, you know, of course he won't fuck with the Federal Reserve, right?
He's never going to fuck with the Federal Reserve.
Like, no one would do that.
And then he's like, actually, I'm going to fire Lisa Cook.
And then it was like, ha ha ha, ha, that's never going to happen.
And then he fires her.
And then you're like, well, you know, do I care enough?
Do I need to like get mad enough about this stuff?
And I think you properly diagnose the three types of reactions that they're.
this usually gender's on the right.
And it's sad that there aren't enough people out there who are like,
actually, this is not good.
I mean, there are a few people here and there,
but I think people are just kind of, I don't know,
beaten down by it all.
And they just can't get,
they can't stomach the outrage and they don't want to have to deal with it.
Well,
we've got one more clip from the dictator section.
This one is interesting because he doesn't actually use the word dictator.
And I think this clip is almost more telling.
So let's watch that clip four.
Not that I don't have the right to do anything I want to do.
I'm the president of the United States.
If I think our country's in danger,
and it is in danger in these cities, I can do it.
No problem going in and solving, you know, his difficulties.
But it would be nice if they'd call and they'd say,
would you do it?
So I want to just read you the quote there.
I don't just heard it, but just like,
I have the right to do anything I want to do.
I'm the president of the United States.
It's very Nixonian, a post-Watergate with Frost Nixen, you know.
And yeah, that one actually struck me as the most alarming of the bunch, because it wasn't him, you know, trying to provoke if that's what you think he's trying to do.
He doesn't do the thing. He doesn't do the thing like, maybe I'm a dictator. Maybe I'm not.
He's like, if I have a rationalization for doing it, I can do it. And that's clearly how he views his entire second term presidency.
He's talking about like, you know, we're going to give the death penalty to people who can murder in Washington, D.C.
Capital punishment. Capital capital punishment. If somebody kills somebody.
in the capital, Washington, D.C., we're going to be seeking the death penalty.
Also in this three-in-half-hour extravaganza.
And, like, no, you can't just make up your capital punishment law in Washington's, you know,
criminal code.
Like, that's not how it works.
But I think he thinks it's how it works.
And that's why that quote stood out to me.
It's just like, that was the most revealing of his mindset about how he doesn't think there
actually are or should be checks on his power.
yeah that's i think that's the key point like that is his mindset right so he might not you know
like in their in a head like a dictator is something different like that's something from another
country right that's goddafi like there's a costume and you know you kill your foes and stuff right
and so like i'm just hang him by the nipples yeah i'm just like i'm just joking about that yeah but
when it comes to what i want here i am a president who can do whatever i want right and so
like that is not really a meaningful distinction from dictator it's not a meaningful distinction but in his
head it is right he's like i can be a president who gets dictator powers but i'm still president
versus i am a dictator which everyone knows you don't really want you would think a couple small
government conservatives uh when i think something about that people who care about federalism no federalism
remember we're so far past that remember we're a republic yeah yeah i remember that one all right uh well
this is not the dictator's section this is the licking
Trump Balls section, but that's kind of related to the dictator section.
I love this.
I love this show.
This is why I watch the cabinet meetings.
It's for this part.
Yeah.
It's the best.
The team pulled together a clip reel of all of this that was just too long for me to bear.
I just want to be out like my vicarious embarrassment for all these people was so acute.
I started sweating.
My hand started sweating.
And I'm like, we can't make the people watch four minutes of this.
So we both picked our favorites, which I think is more, it was a more fair thing to do to
you guys and we'll watch.
You have to remember that every member of the cabinet did a version of this.
So it takes a long time.
Before we get into this, I think I've asked you this before.
But do you think they rehearse this shit in the mirror before the cabinet meeting?
Or do they write it down to be like, I know I have to do the praise section.
Like here's what I'm going to say.
I have an answer to that question.
And we so we'll go to my person first.
Here's Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent.
As we've said very often, economic security is national security.
And our country has never been so security.
thanks to you. You have brought us back from the edge. You have the overwhelming mandate
from the American people. You're restoring confidence in government. A topic that is on the
front of everyone's mind, the Federal Reserve. The Federal Reserve's independence comes from a
political arrangement between itself and the American public. Having the public's trust is the
only thing that gives it credibility. And you, sir, are restoring trust.
to government.
Mr. President, your return to the White House,
mark the return of the American worker.
Thank you for reclaiming Labor Day
for the American people.
You're growing the economy for everyone,
especially the middle and lower income households
who suffered disproportionately
under the last administration.
And it's an honor to do this under your leadership.
Like the longest 40 seconds of my life.
It's like, it's like, it's like, I just,
It's, it's like he's praising a special need to child and, like, selling them out good.
They're doing, like, a child that's, like, done a very poor, or, like, maybe not special needs.
Maybe a child who's, like, done, like, very bad at soccer.
You know, like, you have the soccer team and you let the worst kid on the team score a goal at the very end.
And you're like, yeah, look at you, Freddie.
And it's nice.
It's nice in that moment because the kid needs that.
But this guy's the president of the United States.
But you notice there, Besson's got notes.
Like, he is, he has prepared this.
Yeah.
He's looking down.
He's made some notes.
The tone of it is like, oh, the economic strength is a currenty strength.
And so he's planned the language.
It's not off the cuff.
And I don't know.
It's humiliating.
It might be a BDSM thing.
It's humiliating for BASM thing.
It's also, I mean, he doesn't give a shit, but it's humiliating for Trump.
It's so humiliating.
I mean, like, if you had a set of, like, a shred of dignity to, like, the sort of, like, to demand that your, your cabinet and go through this.
this entire process.
It's just,
it shows how, like,
I don't know.
I'm not built.
You're right.
I don't, again,
Donald Trump is very different than me.
I'd be embarrassed.
Yeah.
And this is not,
this is going to seem like a humble bag.
It's not,
it is not,
it's like a weakness,
because it's actually a good thing
to be able to take genuine praise well.
And I, like,
really don't like it.
It makes me very uncomfortable
when people are complimenting me.
And so I'm like,
please stop.
Well, I'm not used to being complimented,
especially by you.
So I wouldn't know.
Right.
Well,
this is why we get along.
Yeah.
I show love through shit talk.
You know what I mean?
Like a little negging.
You know, it's like, I wouldn't neg you if I would, anyway.
Yeah, yeah, okay.
This, I just feel like that's a normal, more normal way for bros to deal with bros.
Okay.
And the Scott Bessent Trump relationship is a little ick for me.
It's fascinating.
All right.
You pick yours.
Who is your choice?
So I thought Wiccoff really hammered at home because Wiccoff, he knows exactly what?
Yeah, that's watch.
Your team is nothing short of incredible.
And there's only one thing I wish for.
that that noble committee
finally gets its act together
and realizes that you are
the single finest candidate
since this noble award
was ever talked about
to receive that reward
beyond your success
is game changing out in the world today
and I hope everybody one day wakes up
and realizes that
okay so like it's just
this whole Nobel Peace Prize thing
I can't take it
I cannot take it anymore
part of me wants to just call up the Norwegians who handle this thing and be like just do it just do
it so we can just end this shit like there's five of you you know he wants it maybe we can
extract something in exchange for giving it to him like you have some leverage here just give
the man what he wants so we can move on from this i just can't deal with it anymore i don't want to
give it to him i don't know what told i like that i thought you're to say let him know and have
them send of a letter and say because of these these reasons from your actions in the past you
will never receive this award you're disqualified from the award and so stop asking about us
stop calling i don't know norwegians if you're listening consider one option it's so it's so
obvious like every world leader that now meets with this guy's like you know what it's present you
probably you probably should get that no bell all right uh we're going to move on to the ukraine
clips, than Russia clips, really.
I thought there was some stuff here that was worth to...
This is like actual news again here, but yeah, go ahead.
I don't know if this first one's news, but we'll look at it.
Here is Donald Trump condolending himself about Operation Warp Speed and relaying an
endorsement he received about Operation Warp Speed from a very important individual to him.
We did a great job with it. Never got the credit for the job we did.
Operation Warp Speed, people say is that
one of the greatest achievements ever in politics
or in the military,
because it was almost a military procedure.
But everybody, including Putin,
said that Operation Warp Speed, what you did with that,
nobody can believe it.
And we did a great job, but it was still,
it was a horrible, horrible pole over our country.
We had a very dark cloud over the world.
That was a very, very bad thing that came out
Wuhan, which I said it came out of Wuhan. That's where it came from. And China suffered greatly,
but everybody did. But we did a good job with that, as good as you can possibly do. And we came
back, and now we're stronger than ever before. All right. Everybody, comma, including Putin.
Including Vlad.
Said that it was great. Well, not your base, actually, but Vlad, Putin thought it was great.
Do you think Putin brought it up in Anchorage?
Is that what happened?
I don't, why does this, why do you mention that?
Is there random?
I mean, they talked for a while.
Like, did they talk about Operation Warps here?
Think about all the random things.
Like, hey, remember COVID?
Vladimir told him that he shouldn't do mail-in balloting anymore.
But maybe they did talk about it.
He complimented Operation Warps speed.
Vladimir sent him the picture.
Have you seen the video with the picture?
I thought you'd all like to see it.
That's a man named Vladimir Putin,
who I believe will be coming,
depending on what happens
he may be coming
and he may not
depending on what happens
we have a lot of things
happening over the next couple of weeks
but I thought it was a nice picture
yeah I saw that
it would be funny
if they just spent a lot of time
reliving like 2020
remember those days
COVID
mail and balloting
that was a weird campaign
it's interesting that comes to his head
it is that you notice this
when you're talking for three and a half hours
yeah right
And my friends are this on the pod, they're like, okay, if I keep mentioning somebody,
it's usually a sign of care, you know, that I'm like, I have somebody on my mind.
Like, I'll just blurt them out, you know?
Sometimes I'll get a complaint from someone.
It's like, did you have to tell that story on the pot?
I'm like, it's a nice thing.
It means I was thinking about you.
Yeah.
Anyway, Trump's been thinking about Putin quite a lot.
A lot.
A lot.
All right.
A couple other clips.
Why don't we just put these together here?
Right.
Because they both, they both covered, Trump's reiterating in his warped view of, like,
the nature of the conflict here.
Let's watch.
With war, you never know, right?
War's very tricky, very horrible, but with war, you never know.
Things change.
People go into war think they're going to win the war, and then they get their asses kicked
and they lose their country, they lose millions of lives.
Nobody goes into a war thinking they're going to lose.
They go in.
I'm sure that Ukraine thought they were going to win.
It's going to be, you know, we're going to win.
You're going to beat somebody that's 15 times your size.
Biden shouldn't have let that happen.
Biden shouldn't, I mean, the man was grossly incompetent.
He should have never been there.
That would have never happened.
But you don't go into a war that's 15 times your size.
Now I have to also see because not everybody, you know, Zelensky is not exactly innocent either, okay?
You know, it takes two people to tango.
And I say it all the time.
You got to get them together.
I get along with Zelensky now.
But we have a much different relationship because now we're not paying any money to Ukraine.
You know, stop that.
We're paying money to ourselves.
What's happening is NATO is buying all of the equipment and paying in full.
But he just can't get over the fact that he just doesn't like Zelensky.
I don't understand it.
Why does he think he started the war?
Jew?
Short?
Short, more likely.
Yeah.
I don't know.
Taking his money?
Doesn't want someone taking his money.
But he said in the, he's like, we're not sending him a single cent anymore.
So, I mean, he doesn't think that.
But, yeah, he, like, he has it in his head that Zelensky started this.
He's not exactly innocent either.
Yeah.
It takes two to tango.
What did he do?
They did nothing.
The thing that is the most comparable to is his view of Me Too allegations.
Honestly, this is comparable to that.
Trump always sides with the predator in Me Too allegations.
And you could imagine him saying this.
Oh, so Zulinski falsely.
falsely accused
you can imagine
Zelensky being a woman
who's like oh but I mean
she kind of wanted it
in this case though we all saw the aggression
it wasn't it wasn't he said
she said it was we saw it
you know I'm just telling you how he sees
the world the uh
and then there's the part of it where he talks about
again
he seems to be confused about
how Ukraine got into the war
like he keeps talking about how
Ukraine thought they were going to win
and how they got into the war with someone 15 times their size.
They didn't get into a war with it.
Zolensky didn't bomb Moscow thinking that he's going to take him down.
Like he was invaded and he defended himself.
This is not like one of those Trumpisms where it's like, well, you know, maybe he's just like kind of confused about the math.
Like how he's been like talking about, well, I'm going to reduce drug prices by, you know, 14, 100%, which doesn't make sense.
Where I'm going to be reducing drug prices by 14, 1,500%.
Like, this is just like, it's out there.
It's plain clear as day what happened.
And he just can't either he deliberately is not getting it right or he's just an idiot about the origins of the war.
I don't get it.
Well, for Ndua, cabinet meeting run down, we do have to have a nut lick clip of the day.
Yes, your boy.
We'll do this one.
Let's watch.
The Biden administration had given $11 billion to Intel, giving it to them, done.
Corporate just gift.
and you turn that into really, you know, it was like less than five minutes of conversation
and Intel agreed to give us 10% of their company, which of course was worth $11 billion.
So it's not socialism.
This is capitalism.
If you give someone $11 billion, who's just building in America, they're not doing something special,
they're building in America.
And their CEO told the president, he didn't need the grant.
And you said, well, then why don't we get something for it?
It's not socialism and this is capitalism.
Yeah.
Yeah.
How do you figure?
I don't follow the logic on this one, to be honest with you.
I don't know if he thought this one through.
We took over a stake of a company.
That's capitalism.
Yeah, I don't know.
This whole intel thing's hilarious to me.
You have to explain the Republican mindset to me on this one,
because this seems like so obvious.
There was never a universe I existed in
where Republicans would be cool with this.
And yet here we are.
I think that the answer is Donald Trump did it,
so it's cool.
The most substantive defense I've seen of this
from the right,
from like a couple of serious people on the right,
is they do this thing.
It's like this little three card Monty
where it's like, well,
if you gave me two options, and one option was the Biden option, which is you give a loan to Intel for $700 billion or whatever it is.
Right.
And then the other option is that I get the government takes $9 billion, you know, gives them the money, but takes the stake back.
I guess I would take the Trump plan over the Biden plan.
Like, that's like the logic that they would crop.
Then you're not a conservative.
Right.
Well.
That's fine.
You're a Bernie Sanders type, you know, Democratic.
You want a government-run economy?
Yeah.
You don't know that.
Cool.
This is capitalism, says nothing.
All right.
One more.
Well, it's a double.
I don't know.
People have seen enough of Trump.
We had a double clip on the windmills.
Windmills came out multiple times.
Let's do Bobby.
Yeah, so Trump mentions, we should just say,
Trump says, windmills, we're not going to allow them.
We don't allow windmills.
We're not allowing any windmills to go up.
They're ruining the country.
Trump fucking hates windmills.
So a dictator of fiat.
rule that there'll be no more windmills. We'll see how that gets enforced.
Bobby Kennedy, though, also
who is, what's his job again?
HHS Secretary. Secretary of Health and Human Services.
So I received this text when I was not watching the press conference,
and I knew it was a good one when I got this text. It was,
why the fuck is the Secretary of HHS talking about how many whales
have allegedly been killed by windmills? And I was like,
I'm not watching, bro. I don't know what you're talking about. Let's watch together.
I wanted to talk because you mentioned the wind farms.
We now have an inter-departmental coalition, a team, which is Doug Bergham and Howard Ludnick and Chris Wright and Pete Hexiv.
We're all working on this issue.
And Lee.
And Lee, we're all working together on this issue.
We're meeting together.
There are right now 11 wind farms plan that we're launched during the Biden administration between many.
in Virginia, it's 1130 towers.
These towers are twice the size of the Washington Monument.
The blades on them are-
Massive, it's so crazy.
The blades are 350 feet long, one blade.
One of these blades blew up on Nantucket last summer
and the water is filled with shards of glass,
of sharp glass, so it's dangerous to swim.
And to close the beaches,
but they have indemnified themselves
the local communities can't sue them.
None of these projects are bonded.
If you build an oil, Derek, in the Gulf, you got to put a bond down.
This one confused me a little bit, but then I did a little bit of Googling.
Because I thought, I was like, Kennedy, that doesn't make sense.
Like, he was an environmentalist in his past life.
Like, surely this is a contradiction of a past position he took where, you know, because
you would think environmentalists actually want to harness wind power.
But no, he's always been pretty anti-windmill.
And I think it has to do, of course, with his times out in Nantucket, because he mentioned Nantuckin in this.
And I think the windmills out there have, like, hurt the marine population, marine life population in whales.
And so he's like super against it.
He also had a big riff about radioactive shrimp during this press conference.
So, you know, he's drifting a little bit out of his lane here.
But, you know, that's Bobby.
Didn't Bobby decapitate a whale?
Yes, I think so.
He's had an odd relationship with animals.
Let's Google this here live.
RFK decapitated.
Didn't we do a video on this?
It's hard to remember everything.
We did a bear video.
The bear video was great.
The end of the dinner, it went late, and I realized I couldn't go home.
I had to go to the airport.
And the bear was at my car, and I didn't want to leave the bear in the car.
See, Federal Agency closes investigation to RFK over dead whale carcass.
So, yeah, there was an investigation against him about his treatment of a whale carcass.
there's some weird allegations
they beheaded a whale
apparently allegedly
an alleged whale
beheading in 1994
so I don't know
I mean I guess in his past maybe
hasn't been such a strong advocate
for the whales
I don't
it's strange
I continue to insist
that he is unique
among the cabinet officials
in terms of the weirdness
here's what this is
this is rich guy shit
yeah this is bobby is in nantucket he thinks the windmills are an eyesore trump and has his golf courses
like turnberry there are windmills they think they're an eyesore kill the birds this is what this is
this is not like forgotten man man of the people i want coal back like this is just simply
yeah i when i when i'm at my resort and golf club i do not want to have to look at the windmills
yeah and here's and bobby was talking about like these big you know blades that have to go up there
and they could fall off and kill whales.
And it's just like, is that,
this can't be your lane.
Like, this just cannot be your lane.
Focus on, actually, don't focus on vaccines, please.
Maybe it should be your lane.
Yeah, because that's not that thing we should have had that couple of weeks.
We could get it in post.
We had one more.
They did.
The autism one?
Yeah.
Yeah, because this wasn't his lane, which is a little bit more fucked up.
So we'll close with this one.
Let's go ahead and watch it.
Autism, if I could, just, I don't want to go too long because we have a lot of people,
but the autism is such a tremendous horror show what's happening in our country.
There's something wrong when you see the kind of numbers that you have today versus 20 years ago.
And those numbers, what are those numbers?
This is not good.
Trump seems like Trump in the past, I was saying this during the campaign.
I don't think people who does this.
Trump has been kind of an autism conspiracy vaccine.
curious for a while.
Like, he, like, he, you know,
in his random, like, word salad over the years,
like this has been something he's mentioned a couple of times.
It's not been like his main thing, like tariffs or whatever,
but he's been he's been an autism vaccine curious for a while.
And he,
and so I think it's pretty alarming there in that room that it's,
they're like next month,
RFK is going to have some kind of announcement on this.
This has obviously been his hobby horse for a long time.
Yeah, I'm sure.
That was pretty ominous.
I'm sure it's going to be, you know,
dutifully researched.
and thorough, right? Like, this guy has had a decade-long charade against vaccines causing autism.
So he's going to come up with the research to prove it in four months, despite, you know,
years and years of scientific research disproving it.
Trump's totally bought in, like totally bought in. And it's pretty profoundly scary to think about
what's going to happen in September when they make this recommendation. Already, they're making
major changes or previewing major changes. Cohn, John the Cohn, has got a newsletter
that looks at how they're going to potentially scrap liability shields for manufacturers of vaccines, which could, you know, really have profound effects.
So we're in, we're in a bad spot here.
I know a lot of damage has been done in eight months by Kennedy.
That has nothing to do with windmills, but it's going to get worse.
It's going to get worse.
And, boy, like, I shudder to think about what's going to happen with the anti-Vex movement.
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Exciting stuff.
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