CALLING HOME with Whitney Goodman, LMFT - My Parents Welcomed Their Estrangment

Episode Date: August 20, 2026

Content warning: This episode contains descriptions of domestic violence, child abuse, and suicidal ideation.In this Q&A episode, Whitney answers questions about families who respond with denial when being called out. In question one: a parent threatens suicide to shut down an argument. In question two: two parents shield each other instead of the kids.Whitney Goodman is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist (LMFT) and the founder of Calling Home, a membership community that helps people navigate complex family dynamics and break harmful cycles.Have a question for Whitney? Send a voice memo or email to [e-mail] the Family Cyclebreakers Club: https://callinghome.coFollow Whitney on Instagram | sitwithwhitFollow Whitney on YouTube | @whitneygoodmanlmftOrder Whitney's book, Toxic Positivity: https://sitwithwhit.com/toxic-positivitySign up for updates on Whitney's new book: https://cmnyyv4kpyt.typeform.com/to/PHMzjy0oThis podcast is for informational purposes only and is not a substitute for professional mental health advice. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Hello and welcome back to the Calling Home podcast. I'm Whitney Goodman. I'm a licensed marriage and family therapist and this is the show where we have honest conversations about the family relationships that are complicated, painful, and don't come with easy answers. Today I'm answering two listener questions. The first is from someone whose parents protect each other instead of their kids and they want to know how you stop a dysfunction that two people are holding up together. And the second is about a something we almost never talk about on the show, but I've been talking about a lot more, and I'm going to expand on a lot in my upcoming book, The Parent You Have, is being disowned by

a parent and that experience. But before we get into those questions, I have some news and it's some good news, so stick with me. Monthly memberships are now available at Calling Home. starting Monday, August 24th, you will be able to pay for your calling home membership monthly. This was the biggest barrier that people would share with us to joining calling home. We used to charge the six months up front. And we did this for a lot of reasons. We really want people to be invested in our memberships. We want you to be invested for a certain period of time so that we don't have people kind of

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calling home. So with this transition is also two new groups. And these are peer support groups with real people on a call that are going through the same thing that you're going through. They are really like the lifeblood and the heart of what we do at calling home. The first new group is going to be the difficult. in-laws group. So these are for adults who have a difficult, strained, distant, or estranged relationship with their partner's family. Might be the entire family, a mother-in-law, father-in-law,

sister-in-law, brother-in-law, whatever. Those are going to happen two Thursdays a month at 10 a.m. Pacific, 1 p.m. Eastern Time. About six months ago, when I was out on maternity leave, I took a poll about what groups you all would be interested in, and this was the number one or one of the top groups that you all really requested. I think so many questions come in about in-law relationships, and nobody really talks about how marrying someone means inheriting a family system that you had no part in building, and now you need to navigate. The second group that we are launching is the adult-civling relationships group. This is our number one topic at Calling Home that we've ever launched. We have an entire topic module dedicated to this with all the worksheets, articles, videos,

etc. already up on the website. But now we are going to be offering a group for adult sibling relationships two Thursdays a month at 9 a.m. Pacific, 12 p.m. Eastern. These are for people who are navigating a difficult, distant, or estranged relationship with an adult sibling. There are likely going to be people in this group that are navigating a sibling with addiction issues, a sibling who they don't like their partner, a sibling who cut them off, a sibling that they feel like they don't want to have a relationship with. We think this is

really an under-discussed topic that a lot of people are dealing with and we're really excited to get this group started. We are also adding another additional time to the family estrangement group. This is our group where anybody who is estranged from a family member, whether you are the one that initiated the estrangement or is on the receiving end of the estrangement can come and discuss this issue. So this is a really good group if you want to be around people that are on a lot of different sides of this dynamic. Currently, the group meets two Mondays a month at 4 p.m. Eastern, 1 p.m. Pacific, but we are adding another Tuesday time at 1 p.m. Eastern 10 a.m. Pacific. So this is an additional time for those of you that could not make Mondays

work, we heard you, and now this group will be meeting three times a month. And just as a reminder, all of our groups are run by licensed therapists. They all meet virtually via Zoom. You do need to have your camera on to participate in these groups just so our members can see who is there. But you can come and just sit and listen. You don't always have to participate. And people are also really actively participating in the chat in these groups. The therapist always brings a set of discussion questions, and we also share those discussion questions on our private discussion boards. If the groups are not really your thing as part of your membership, you do get access to our private discussion boards where you can show up anonymously as well. These are not on Facebook.

They're hosted on Discord. No one else can find them except for actual paying members of the Family Cycle Workers Club. Love these groups. I share a lot of resources there, and you can interact with other members as well. And in September, Our next topic is going to be, so we look at a different topic at calling home every single month and we add to our content library. We have over 45 different topics that are already up there right now in September is going to be about healthy differentiation. So staying connected to your family while still being yourself. And that's a lot of what the questions are about today. So how do you stay in your family without totally disappearing or adopting who they want you to

be. And we're going to learn how to do that this September calling home. So I hope that you will join us if you want to wait until Monday for that new monthly payment plan and for that discount code to work. You can use the code monthly at callinghome.co. And we will see you inside the family cycle breakers club. All right. That's enough for my spiel for today. Let's go ahead and get into those questions. These are real questions that were submitted to me by listeners of the podcast today. I have both of those questions. written. You can always send them to me at Whitney at Callinghome.co in either a voice note or a written form, and I might choose your question to answer on the show. Here is our first caller

question. I recently sent a letter to both my mom and dad about our family dysfunction. To sum it up, my mom is an enabler who keeps herself safe by pressuring all the kids to keep dad happy and ignoring problems. My dad was emotionally and physically abusive when we were kids and sometimes is with the grandchildren now. My brother recently had a suicide scare in which my dad responded by saying he was overreacting and my mom responded by calling my sister and threatened suicide because she felt so much guilt about how she and my dad raised us and could no longer put up with him anymore. The very next day they were on vacation and my mom denied all her suicidal threats and was dismissive of our family problems. My hopes were shattered that finally she would wake up and

address these problems. My dad is still in denial about the abuse. My mom is sympathetic to me when I talk to her individually, but when she is with my dad, she denies the abuse and the dysfunction. Besides communicating individually with each parent, how can I stop the dysfunction when both parents enable each other's unhealthy behaviors? The first thing I want to do here is really like attend to this whiplash, okay? What you're describing here, I know I just read through this very quickly, but this is a big deal. You're saying that your brother had a suicide scare. I'm going to assume that that was an attempt to take his own life or something that was more of a threat because you're using the word scare. That is very difficult, not only for your brother,

but for the family as a whole. And then to have your mom then threaten suicide. side as well. And the next day kind of act like nothing is wrong, you know, that's not a normal week by any stretch of the imagination. That's a lot going on in the family that is very stressful, overwhelming, and disregulating. And I don't want you to minimize, you know, how that felt for you and what it's like to be in a family where that is the experience. That's highly stressful. And when I hear that this much, you know, suicidality, talking about suicide, then pretending that nothing happened, all of this whiplash is happening in a family in a short amount of days, that to me tends to tell me, like, there is a lot of dysfunction and stress and chaos kind of simmering.

under the surface here, if this is how the family is responding to overwhelm, big feelings, problems within the family, et cetera. So this is more than just what meets the eye. And what we're already seeing here at the tip of the iceberg is a lot. I would say that that is a high level of dysfunction in a family when we are seeing this level of suicidality and dysregulation in the family in a week. Okay? Safety has to come here before we talk about anything else. So you're talking about a grandparent that is potentially still being abusive to children,

to grandchildren. I need anyone who's going through this to pause and assess what does that look like. Is this grandparent caring for these children? How much interaction do they have with them? What kind of abuse are we talking about? hear how frequent is the abuse in what context is it happening and you need to make sure that these children are not being exposed to any type of abuse. That is the role of the parent to keep the children safe even from other family members, even from grandparents. And I know that that can be

difficult and challenging to do and you may not want to have to set boundaries like that, but these children are defenseless in the face of this type of abuse and they need to be protected. That might mean taking a break from seeing the grandparents, making sure that you're only seeing them under certain conditions where there is no abuse. But I need you to really be honest about what that looks like and what the children are being exposed to. We also need to take stock of the suicidality that's happening here in the family. I think you need to be sure that anyone who has been actively suicidal, threatening suicide, talking

about suicidal ideation, in the past couple of days, likely should not be left alone with children. This can go really, really wrong. There also should be considerable attention to their safety. Are there other supports that you have within the family that you can rely on when it comes to your brother and your mom? I think we often like to tell ourselves, my family member would never do that. They don't really mean that. They're just making threats. But we have to take mentions of suicide seriously. Unfortunately, you know, no one who ever had a family member pass from suicide really walks away saying, like, I knew they would do that. I always thought they would do that. I think that's actually quite more rare. You tend to hear a lot of family members say, I never. thought they would actually do it. It didn't seem like they would do it. I thought they were just kind of talking about it. And we still have to take these things seriously in the context of the family.

Now, that doesn't mean that you were responsible for it, that you should be the only thing standing in between them and that you might need to recruit other types of support. But there definitely needs to be a culture where this is being taken seriously. Now, I think also a parent threatening suicide to their child at any age is something that can be very, very harmful. Now, I don't know the exact wording or the context that was used here when you talk about threatening suicide. But an example of this that I'm thinking about is sort of like, if you keep talking about

this, I'm going to end my own life. If you bring this up again, I'm going to do this. And they're threatening harm to themselves as a way to get you. to stop bringing things up, to stop talking about things in the family. And it seems like it's happening more as a way to assert compliance rather than it actually being something that's going on with them. I also think if you have an adult child that is actively talking about suicide and you as the parent are also doing that, the parent needs to find some other support.

They need to have a therapist potentially do something inpatient, have the support of their partner, friends, community members, things like that, suicide hotlines to be able to help support them in this situation so that it is not all falling on their children, especially their children who are also struggling at this moment to manage their own mental health. I think that it sounds like your brother had a crisis and then the family already has reorganized itself to get back to sort of that equilibrium of like everything is fine, everything is okay, we're not going to talk about this anymore. So that's likely a habitual pattern in the family, right, where something happens. We don't really necessarily want to deal with it, deal with it or admit how bad things have gotten. and so we are going to reorganize ourselves and get back to this, like, status quo within the family.

And I think that this is like an honest truth moment for anyone that can relate to this question is that you cannot stop this dysfunction by yourself. There is no communication strategy, no letter, no perfectly worded confrontation that is going to make this all stop, then it's going to make all of your family members stop participating in the dynamic in this way. Everybody here is expressing some pain. Everybody here is uncomfortable with the family dynamic, it sounds like, but they do not know how to step out of it. They do not know how to utilize other resources or ways of dealing with their pain. And so ultimately, the best way to get back to normal is to pretend that nothing is wrong.

And if you're the only one kind of saying, hey, guys, we need to do something about this, this isn't right, they may reject your attempts at trying to change things in the family because it's ultimately too painful. And a lot of what you're talking about here is that your parents are colluding together. And that's very common. It's very, very common in dysfunctional families where you know, sort of like dad's denial requires mom covering up for him. You know, dad's mood is being managed. Mom is doing the managing. She's able to step out of it and see it when she's in interactions with you. But when she's with dad, she ultimately kind of aligns back with him. And you guys are in this like triangulation where you're calling things out. You are disrupting the

dynamic and your mom is sort of having to choose like, am I going to align with? my adult child or am I going to align with my spouse. They continue to align with the spouse. And then you're out here being like, wait, wait, wait, I thought we just had all these conversations about the issues that we're having in the family. I don't understand how now you are back to colluding and aligning with dad. And this is very destabilizing. And I think you're feeling like if I could just isolate each of them and get each of them to see what is going on here, then maybe I could fix this. But ultimately, everyone else in the family is really going to have to decide on their own that they want to change this dynamic. And this is where I think a lot of

cycle breaking becomes difficult and becomes estrangement in certain families. Because you can, yes, change the system by changing yourself. But that still requires. But that still requires, requires the other members of the family to be open to your influence, to want to change, and to embrace that change. And sometimes when those people are very hardened, they're afraid, they're anxious about change, they're not open to influence, they end up closing in with each other and they put you on the outside because you are the one that is ultimately disrupting the dynamic and making it feel uncomfortable, or that's what they think. They're not looking at the unit as a whole

and being like, wait, we've got a lot going on here. We have multiple people in one week saying that they don't want to be alive or that they want to take their own life. We then went on a vacation and pretended like everything was fine. And for us, it feels safer to insulate and continue pretending than to lean into the change that you are bringing here. Doesn't mean that they won't ever get there. but I want whoever is that person that's like, how can I change this? How can I be the one to be the disruptor to get everyone to change? You have to like take that pressure off yourself a little bit that like, yes, I can be different. I can influence them. I can model and show and be of influence, but I can't do more than that. Everyone else also has to have some buy-in and some receptiveness

to that influence. Now, I want to take a second to talk about mom and dad here a little bit further. You mentioned, you know, that there's pressure from your mom to, like, keep dad happy, ignore the problems. And I think that, you know, your mom has likely recruited you into that labor throughout your life cycle, right? So managing dad is a job that your mom has taken on. and she sort of starts to like subcontract that labor to the children. And you learn how to do this labor throughout your life. It's modeled to you. Maybe for some of you it's explicitly asked of you.

But you learn through both modeling and explicit telling that this is a job that you should be doing. Okay. And so maybe you're doing things like, you know, smoothing over his comments, warning your siblings about the mood that he's in, not bringing up the past, you're absorbing your mom's distress, and you're taking inventory of what she's doing and kind of assisting her in that. Now, mom is also doing something a little bit insidious here that I don't know if she knows that she's doing. Maybe she does. Maybe she doesn't. But I want to explain why this feels so bad for you.

Okay. And I'm just going to use like a general example. What you're describing here is sort of like private sympathy that feels like an alliance that then when it becomes public, you then get rejected. So let's say you go to mom and you explain what you're upset about. Okay. What's bothering you in the family, the dysfunction and the whole time she's like, yeah, I see that. That's awful. You're right. That's hurtful. I can see how that hurt you. Then you're like, okay, mom's on my side. Mom gets it. Mom and I see the family the same. That feels really, really good. It feels like I have an ally in the dysfunction. It feels like we are going to break through this together like I'm not alone. And that can feel really, really good in the face of dysfunction in a family. Then you

get around the family unit and you're like, okay, mom, let's talk to dad about this stuff or like, remember, mom, you were going to do something. You were going to leave. You were going to challenge him the next time he was abusive to us, whatever it is. And mom does not do what she said she was going to do. Instead, she just aligns with dad again. And she might be doing this just unknowingly out of habit. she might be doing this to maintain safety if there's been abuse that has happened. There are a lot of reasons why she might be doing this that are not just like all evil or a rejection of the child and the family. There's many reasons why this could be happening. And in that moment when that happens, that whiplash is insane because you are feeling like, whoa, was that all a lie? Did I make that up that we were

like on the same page and we were going to, you know, tackle this together and you were going to protect me and we were going to get out of this. And I heard you say all this stuff. I swear that I did. And now it seems like I made all of that up and none of that was true. And you're sort of looking at me like I'm crazy. And now also because you are aligning with dad for whatever reason, I brought this up and now I look like the bad guy. I'm the one that's doing something wrong in this situation. and now I also have dad glaring back at me being like, what are you doing, disrupting this family dynamic? And so for the child, because this happens in childhood and for the adult, this is like a constant reshuffling of the power dynamics in the family. And also this feeling of like,

I have no one who's going to stand up for me. I don't even know who to trust or what to believe anymore because you guys just flip-flop so easily. And so then you really get tired of bringing things up because you feel like no one is going to align with you and no one's going to agree with you and nothing's going to change. And so for this person, I can see how you're in this situation where you're trying to figure out, like, what can I do to make sure that people understand me,

that they support me, that we can actually fix this? You know? And mom and dad have to figure out this dynamic before you're going to be able to do that, especially because it seems like in a lot of these cases, you've already been explaining yourself and having these conversations with mom. And she's understood you and validated you and agreed with you, enough for you to feel like you had an alliance there. But something is happening for her when she gets around her partner that is making her abandon all of that. And you can't control that step. That's something that has to happen independent of you. The only thing that you can control is how you protect yourself from that constant reshuffling and how you protect yourself

from what's going on in their dynamic. So this is where my standard approach comes in, where you look at what can I control, what is totally outside of my control, and what needs to be like a safety issue. Okay. So the safety issues I brought up, we have a lot of suicidality happening in this family. You need to attend to that. And in the ways that you can and what is within your control, obviously if all family members could protect their loved ones from taking their own lives 100% and we knew how to do that, we would be able to prevent this completely. But there are, of course, things that you can do. And so I think, again, making sure that person has access to their on mental health care, suicide hotlines. You have regular check-ins with them. You know that they're

talking to other people. They don't have access to things. Do they have a plan? Do they have intent? You know, these are all things that you can evaluate. And I definitely recommend looking up these resources in your area, depending on what state, country, city, et cetera, that that you live in. There are a lot of great resources for suicide. And then, when we talk about what you can control, I really think like the best realistic case right now is that you have a clear, sturdy relationship with reality. This is where my family's at right now. This is what I'm going to get from them, what I can expect from them. What behavior do I want to model? What boundaries do I want to have around my own life? What type of situations do I want to

put myself in with my family. How can I support them, given my resources, my access, and my availability? And can I remind myself that I am one person in a system that is actively maintaining itself for a variety of reasons and that it is not my job to save that entire system and that this might be a tall order for one person and that I'm might need to recruit some help, focus on what I can control, and go from there. Thank you so much to this caller for calling in and giving this question. Let's go ahead and get to question too. Love your content and thank you for what you offer.

I was wondering if you could address parent-initiated disownment. I understand the reasons can be vast for this. I have not found many resources on this topic. I have worked through my father disowning me. This occurred a few years ago in response to me, confirmed. him for lying to me. My elderly father was arrested for domestic violence against my disabled stepmother. He called me from jail and told me a certain scenario had occurred. I told him what he told me did not add up. The next day, I obtained the police report and subsequently confronted him

as my instincts were correct. I have no apologies for what I did or how I did it. I think my father is disgrace and his actions toward me only further reveal who he is. His last words to me were, I'll be seeing you and he hung up on me. I called him two other times after and he hung up on me. I did not expect him to disown me. It is ironic as I went to great lengths to maintain a level of contact with him. My father has my brother as another child. My relationship with my brother ended previous to this incident with my father. My stepmother has reached out to me. I I have not engaged with her. I made a decision to exit these relationships as they were harmful to me.

As an added complexity, sometime after the disownment, I recalled a family secret that had been shared when I was a kid about my grandfather, my dad's father, having another family. I never really thought about it at the time. After the disownment, I looked into it on my own and discovered that my grandfather did have a previous marriage and another son who was 18 months older than my father. My grandfather abandoned this son. My grandfather's son, who is my father's half-brother, died in 2020. The obituary of the son said he was abandoned by his father as well as his siblings,

meaning my father and his siblings knew and also disowned him. This has been shocking to learn as well, and I feel sadness that my late uncle was treated so badly as well. I also see how easy it was for my father to sever his relationship with me. Now, you're absolutely right that this is a really under-discipline. discussed topic. And I write about this at length in my book, so I'm really excited for you guys to hear about this, that I think we talk a lot about these estranged parents that are desperate to get their kids back and they would do anything and they would jump through all

the hoops and their kids are cutting them off for unjust reasons. I have, at equal levels of occurrence, talk to adults who have been abandoned by a parent or who they estranged, themselves from that parent, and the parent did absolutely nothing to get back in contact with them. This is a big population of estranged adults. Their parents are not chasing them down. They actually don't really care, or they're not showing that they care. They're not beating down their kids' doors. They're not sending them letters. They don't call. And in fact, some of them actually welcome the estrangement and seem pretty glad that their kid was the one that pulled the plug on the relationship. Some of them have even said this, and I have received a lot of letters and text messages from people to that effect.

Now, I think that in this case, what it looks like to me is that we have a situation where an adult child called out bad behavior that was verified in a police report, and I've talked to you guys about this a lot. This is what really gets me going is that we've seen a lot of estranged parents deny that they did anything. And then that information can later be verified in police reports, CPS documentation, court filings, text messages, emails. I have seen denial of things that are on video and are recorded on audio or that the parent wrote themselves. And this is why I'm a little bit disillusioned sometimes to the whole, I don't know what I did, I did nothing because I have seen people blatantly and overtly lie about these things. Okay. So this adult

has no relationship with her father, presumably because she called the father out on what he did. And he didn't like it. He maybe felt shame, guilt, embarrassment, thought that that's not what an adult child should do. And so I'm not going to talk to you if you are not going to dig your head and dig a hole and put your head in the sand and pretend like I didn't do anything wrong. I'm going to make an assumption that that's what the brother's doing here and that the dad likes that approach and it's easier to have a relationship with an adult child that is doing that in this type of situation. Now, you are basically left here, this adult saying like, I'm I got cut off for essentially protecting a disabled woman that was abused.

And what I said was correct. And it's verified in a police report. And I'm saying this is my, you know, sort of moral obligation and my value system that like people who abuse others and get arrested for it, that's bad. And I think that we should have a conversation about that. And just because you're my parent doesn't mean I'm going to ignore that. and say that it didn't happen or that it was okay or that it wasn't something bad, right? And even though you're making the decision to exit this relationship, I think there is a level of grief in realizing that maybe your parent isn't a good person.

Maybe your parent is someone who lies and is abusive. And that is really difficult to sit with. You know, I think for people who have parents, and yes, people who engage in domestic violence, people who are arrested for violent crimes, like rape and murder and all of this stuff, they can be parents, too. And I think we forget to acknowledge that, that you can have a parent who does something that you feel is morally and ethically reprehensible. You don't agree with you. you don't validate, you would never spend time with that person if they were anybody else and they did these things, or if you did, you would want them to be accountable and remorseful

for what they did. And so I think that's the bigger piece here, is that if this person's father had said, you know what, I did that and it was wrong, maybe things would be different. But if you have a parent that engages in these things and they do not feel any guilt, remorse or take any accountability for it, I could see how you don't want to have a relationship with that person. And then on top of that, you're saying, wait, this person is the one that did something bad and they're cutting me off. That can feel crazy making, right? Of like, I'm the one getting cast aside by a parent because I'm saying, hey, this thing you did was bad and wrong, and I think most people would agree with me about that, and you're mad at me

for calling out the behavior. Now, I'm wondering here if when you're hearing this story about your grandfather abandoning a child and also your father not having a relationship with his brother, and you're hearing that there is this history of abandonment and estrangement and disownment in your family that maybe you're feeling like, am I a part of this? Is this my family legacy and my family history? And sometimes we don't get to break all of the cycles. We still have these things that happen and we have new things that happen in every generation of a family that the next generation kind of has to contend with and decide what they are going to do about it. but you standing up for, you know, standing up against what your father did in this situation

is not you replicating those same dynamics that have happened within your family. And I don't think that you were disowned for being a bad daughter or for doing anything wrong. This is a disownment by a parent for ultimately being the one to blow the whistle. and be like, this is wrong. And that is different maybe than the other things that are happening in your family dynamic. I think that you're the first person maybe in your family to call these things out, to look at them, to be like, this is sad, this is not the kind of legacy that I want to create. And sometimes when we do that, we also have breaks in the family tree with people who are being abusive and are in denial about their actions. All that being said, this still really hurts.

It hurts to be cut off or disowned by a parent who you don't even really like. It still hurts. And it's okay to feel that. Thank you so much to these callers for sending in your questions. I want to leave you with this today that, you know, you can be telling the truth about your family and doing something radically different and still not be able to change what's going on in the family. And I think a parent disowning you tells you who your parent is. It doesn't tell you who you are. And when you look at a pattern in your family that has existed for generations, you're not being disloyal. You're actually showing, I think, a great act of love and care towards your family that you want

things to be different in the future, especially when there has been abuse. Before I go, I just want to remind you that on Monday, August 24th, monthly memberships are launching at Calling Home. And from 9 a.m. Eastern time on Monday, August 24th until 9 a.m. Eastern time on Tuesday, August 25th for that 24-hour period, you can use the code monthly to take. get you 10% off. And if you're already a member, do not worry. You don't need to do anything. We also have those two new peer support groups, the difficult in-law groups, two Thursdays a month, the adult sibling relationship groups twice a month, and we've added a new time for the family

estrangering group. All of this is available at calling home.co. And in September, we are going to spend the whole month talking about healthy differentiation. So how to stay connected to your family while still being fully yourself. And I think that's a lot of what today's episode was about. So if you can relate, we would love to see you there. Thank you for being here. Thank you for trusting me with your questions. Please don't forget to like, subscribe, leave a comment, leave us a review on the podcast. It really, really helps. I'm so appreciative of every comment that we receive on Spotify and YouTube and all of the reviews on Apple Podcast. Thank you so much.

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