CALLING HOME with Whitney Goodman, LMFT - Q&A: Why Your Boundaries Keep Getting Ignored

Episode Date: June 4, 2026

Q&A episodes are back after Whitney’s maternity leave. In the first question, a woman gets into an argument with her mom and sister the day before her daughter's first birthday party and starts to recognize a pattern of always being the one to apologize. Second, a daughter-in-law asks how her husband should handle a mother-in-law who keeps inviting extra people to agreed-upon meetups.Whitney Goodman is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist (LMFT) and the founder of Calling Home, a membership community that helps people navigate complex family dynamics and break harmful cycles.Have a question for Whitney? Send a voice memo or email to [e-mail] the Family Cyclebreakers Club: https://callinghome.coFollow Whitney on Instagram | sitwithwhitFollow Whitney on YouTube | @whitneygoodmanlmftOrder Whitney's book, Toxic Positivity: https://sitwithwhit.com/toxic-positivitySign up for updates on Whitney's new book: https://cmnyyv4kpyt.typeform.com/to/PHMzjy0oThis podcast is for informational purposes only and is not a substitute for professional mental health advice. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

I am your host, Whitney Goodman. I am a licensed marriage and family therapist and the founder of calling home, the community where we help you break cycles in your family and just create a better family and better family relationships with your adult family members. This is our first Q&A episode back from my maternity leave where I answer your questions. Moving forward, we will have these Q&A episodes on Thursdays every week. I pick two questions. I pick two questions. to answer. And if you have a question that you would like me to answer, you can absolutely submit a voice note or a written question to Whitney at callinghome.co. I always keep these anonymous. You can include as much detail as you would like. And just as a reminder, I am providing generalized advice

and information on the topic. I am not telling you what you specifically should do if you are in a situation like this and take everything I say with a grain of salt, apply it to your unique situation. And remember that I am a therapist, but what I am doing here is not therapy and I am not your therapist. Today we have two very interesting questions. The first one is about a woman who got in an argument with her mom and her sister the day before her child's birthday party. And they're having some disagreements around tone, assuming positive intent, and what to do when someone is just grumpy and overwhelmed. And I'm going to talk about how this probably isn't a new dynamic and why it might be feeling a little bit more triggering in at the moment. The second question is from a daughter-in-law talking about her mother-in-law who seems to be struggling a little bit with boundaries.

This mother-in-law keeps inviting other people to their agreed-upon time when they will be spending time together. And she also really thinks that the family is kind of blowing things out of proportion when they only want to meet in public places instead of at one of their homes. I'm going to talk a little bit more about what I think might be going on in this situation and how to deal with it. And if any of this resonates with you, you would probably love the Family Cycle Breakers Club at Calling Home. home, our online membership community where we have support groups, private and anonymous, if you would like, discussion boards for people that are trying to build a better family and heal from past issues in their family. We also have unlimited support groups with licensed therapists like me and our other amazing facilitators. We have groups for adult children of emotionally

immature parents, estranged adult children. We also have our weekly topic group, which this month, we are talking about the relationship between you and your father. And I will have a lot of great content coming out about emotional neglect with fathers, naming the father wound, creating a closer relationship with your father in adulthood, or moving on from the relationship, if that's something that you have to do as well. You can join the Family Cycle Breakers Club at callinghome.com. And we will put that link in the show notes as well. All right, let's go ahead and get to that first question. At lunch recently with my mom and sister at my sister's house, I was having a hard time. It was my daughter's first birthday and her birth was traumatic, so memories were sort of derailing my day. I was also dealing with

pain and bad fatigue from fibromyalgia, so I got overwhelmed and a little snappy. Throughout lunch, they commented on my irritated tone and said they have been concerned about me, which usually means we don't like your grumpiness. Familiar anger and defensiveness rose up in in me, and so I said, my brain didn't hear concern from what you said. I'm feeling judged. Can you please try different words next time? My sister quipped back. Can't you assume good intentions? And my mom, well, I can't be perfect. Nothing I ever say will be good enough for you. Things escalated further. Then they said, we've been walking on eggshells around you. This is why we never bring anything up to you. I told them walking on eggshells was their choice,

and they didn't have to keep doing that. My daughter's birthday party was the next day at my sister's house and she was planning it. Over lunch, she threatened to cancel the party because of my ungrateful attitude and then kicked me out of her house. The party still ended up happening the next day. My mom apologized later, but she finished her apology by telling me that sometimes I make her feel like a bad mom. My sister never apologized. Looking back at my life, I'm 30. they have been emotionally manipulative, especially my mom. I usually leave arguments with them

feeling like the problem or that I did something wrong. I usually apologize and they don't. It was devastating to have this cloud the joy of my daughter's birthday. I don't know how much resolution I can hope for if they won't apologize or if me advocating for myself threatens them. I have always been expected to just let things go and just move on, but I don't think I can anymore. I don't know what to do. Thanks so much for my. for reading my email and for everything you do. I want to start off by saying, it's great that on this day, you realized, okay, it's my daughter's first birthday. Her birth was traumatic. I'm dealing with some memories. I'm in pain. Like, this is an overwhelming day. You're going to have a lot of feelings,

right? And you're recognizing that I got overwhelmed and I got a little snappy. Like, that's something that all of us can own in these moments, you and me both, of like, sometimes. Sometimes, we get short-fused when we're overwhelmed and we take out how we are feeling, often unintentionally, on the people around us that might even be loving and caring and wonderful. In fact, sometimes we do that more to them because we know that they can like handle it and take it and that they're going to be understanding and we have that level of safety built up. Now, what I'm not seeing here is that maybe you didn't communicate that in advance. And so something I like to do personally that can be helpful, I think in marriages,

in close relationships, is that if you know that got some stuff going on and you think like tomorrow might be hard for me, it's great to even just send a text. It doesn't have to be this huge in-person conversation of like, hey, I think tomorrow is going to be a little bit hard for me. So if I'm snapping at you or I seem irritated, it's not you. It's me. It's me. You don't. didn't do anything wrong. I'm feeling a little bit overwhelmed and I'm really sorry if I do that. Like, could you just kind of keep that in the back of your mind? That way, the other person, when you are acting like that if and when, they can kind of say, oh, she told me that she was going to be feeling overwhelmed today. And I know that like this isn't personal and it's related

to this really traumatic or difficult thing that she went through or it's related to the stress of the day. And I'm going to try to cut her some slack. So that's something that maybe you did, maybe you didn't, but it's something I would recommend trying with the people that you are close to. Okay. Now, I think maybe this phrasing of someone being concerned about you, especially maybe these people, feels a little bit annoying or invasive or maybe like they don't have a right to be concerned. For those of you that feel like you need to perform all the time and like you're not allowed to be grumpy or upset in your family system or in this relationship, you might take this as being a little bit condescending or like

you're not even allowed just to have a bad day. It sounds like this person interpreted as like this usually means in my family that we don't like that you're being grumpy. And maybe that's accurate. Maybe it's not. But it sounds like you know what your feelings are here, right? I don't hear concern and I'm feeling judged. Can you try different words again next time? Now, the exact same thing I think is happening here then with the people on the receiving end of this, right? Your sister and your mom are hearing, why can't you just assume good intentions? That's what they're saying, which leads me to believe that they might also feel a little bit judged or like you're assuming that they had bad intentions.

And they either think that they didn't or they don't like that you're calling them out. It's very hard to know which one it is. But either way, the two of you are now kind of accusing one another of the same thing and talking past each other. And it's very, very hard to get anywhere in this moment, right? Which is likely why you're feeling like things escalated further. And then they felt like we've been walking on eggshells around you. And they're saying, this is why we never bring anything up.

Now, I don't know your specific dynamic. So I want to kind of draw two sides of a situation here. Sometimes people are really walking on eggshells around us, right? Because we are not doing well. Maybe you're dealing with depression or some health issues or you're on edge or you just haven't been doing well lately. And so people start to tiptoe around because they are afraid of, making it worse, that they're not going to know what to say, that they're going to upset you. And this doesn't always happen because you snapped at them or you told you were being like abusive or cruel towards them. Sometimes it happens because of their own feelings of inadequacy or like they just feel overwhelmed at their inability to help you. And they want to make things better.

And it seems like they can't. And they just want everything to feel quote unquote normal. Right. And so this. This can feel very not good for someone who is struggling to hear that people have been walking on eggshells around them. Obviously, you don't want to hear that. But sometimes we need to listen to what is being said in the subtext of that. Like, okay, are they fearful that they won't be able to help or to step in or to make this better for me? Like, can we get more information about that. Like how, what has made you guys feel like you have to walk on eggshells around me because I really don't want you to feel like that. And I know that I've been struggling. If you have this type of

relationship with this person where you feel like you can say those things, right? There's also the flip side of a lot of abusive people or people who are prone to cruelty and judgment and like they don't want to think before they speak. They will use this free. of I feel like I can't say anything around you. I feel like I have to walk on eggshells because they are no longer allowed to be homophobic or racist or rude or whatever it is around you without consequences, without you saying something. And so they don't like having to be filtered when we all have to be filtered from time to time, right? You can't say certain things at work that maybe you could say out at dinner with friends.

And there's a line to what is actually walking on eggshells and what is just like you not being an asshole, right? So in between those two poles, there's a lot of gray area. This is where self-reflection is necessary and not everybody has the capacity for self-reflection. So can you turn inward and ask yourself, am I doing something that would make this person feel like, they're not equipped to help me. Like, I'm going to reject their help. Have I been really on edge lately? Like, what is leading to this dynamic over here?

And maybe you find something. Maybe you find nothing. And then on the other end, like, is this person just upset because I won't let them say literally whatever they want to me in a way that is mean and cruel or abusive in any other context, right? Now, there's also this idea of, you know, there's some weaponization going on here and like a little bit of manipulation of like, now I'm going to cancel the party because you're being ungrateful, which I think speaks to a little bit of emotional immaturity, right? This party is being held for a child who seemingly has no role or responsibility. In all of this, it's kind of crazy to have this type of interaction and then just.

pull the rug out and be like, well, because you said this to me, I'm canceling the party. Right. And it seems like, yeah, the party still did go on. When the word ungrateful gets used, when you've just pointed out something that you don't like and the other person like doesn't want to hear it, I don't think that that is a really emotionally healthy or constructive way to have that conversation, right, by just sort of throwing a label on someone and saying, well, you're ungrateful. And so I have to walk on eggshells. And I'm not going to even at all contend with how I shared my concern for you. Both of you need to be able and willing to look at that. Now, you mentioned that your mom did apologize, but that she finished the apology by saying that

sometimes I make her feel like a bad mom. Now, two things can be true at once. Saying that you make me feel like a bad mom when someone is sharing their feelings can be dismissive and it can stop the conversation in its tracks and not allow you to actually move forward and repair. And it's possible that when a child of any age brings up their feelings about that parents' parenting, that it is going to evoke some bad feelings, shame, guilt, self-blame, whatever it is. The difference is that you can have those feelings without making it your child at any age, their responsibility to solve for those feelings or to make you feel better. And so there's some different ways that I think a parent could share this if their

feelings were coming up, right? So let's say your adult child comes to you and is saying something that is triggering to you. They're telling you a story about how you hurt them. And you start to feel that feeling come up with like, I'm a bad mom. You may even be almost about to say, I'm just the worst mom ever. You just think I'm a bad mom and you're going into that black or white thinking. I want you to try to take a step back and continue listening, really hearing what your adult child is saying. Then if you feel like you cannot get past this feeling, sometimes it can be productive to say, I just want you to know I am feeling some shame or some guilt or I'm feeling like I'm a bad mom right now. It's not your job to fix it or to take care of me, but it's kind of getting in the way

of me listening or having a conversation right now. And I really want to hear you and I want to talk about this. If you feel like you can't say that or that wouldn't work in your relationship, that feels a little bit too like therapisty for you, all you have to do sometimes when these feelings are coming up and you feel like you're about to jump on your kid for making you feel bad is say, I need a minute. I really want to listen to you. I care about you what you have to say.

But I want to make sure that I have. handle this well. And I know that that means that I need to pause right now. Because I don't want to say anything that I regret or that's going to make this worse or it's going to make you think that I don't want you to share this stuff with me. And so I need to pause. The pause is always better than trying to like push through and saying something you regret or not being able to regulate yourself in the moment. You do not have to finish this in one second. You do not have to stay in dysregulation. You are allowed to. to pause. Okay. And hopefully your adult child will be accepting of that. And for those of you listening,

I want you to think about like, what would you do if your parents said something like that to you? Would you be okay with that? Would that be a sign for you that maybe they were trying to slow down and approach this with care and really be thoughtful about it? Because that's what I see in it. So let me know what that would feel like for you in the comments because I'm curious about if that is landing. Now, I think what it sounds like here is that your sister never apologized and you feel like your mom's apology came with a caveat. Okay.

So now you're at this crossroads where you're saying that you feel like they've often been emotionally manipulative and that you leave. arguments with them feeling like you were the problem or that you did something wrong and you're the one that apologizes. This tells me that this is probably an existing dynamic in the family of how you all solve problems and get back to homeostasis. And sometimes we get stuck in those cycles where it's like, you know what, the way that I can get this to go away is by apologizing. And when I apologize, my mom seems to feel better. My sister seems to feel better. And we can all go back to feeling normal. And everyone likes that. And so sometimes we stay on this path of like,

they're kind of pushing you even maybe to get you to be the one to apologize because they also want things to go back to feeling normal. But this doesn't really ever solve anything for any of you. I would bet that your mom and your sister also don't feel that great about this dynamic, even if they can't articulate it. And they're saying that some in what you've given me. here, right? So, you know, they feel like they're walking on eggshells. They think you're not assuming good intentions. All of these things that they're saying to me demonstrate some level of discomfort or uneasiness on their end in the relationship as well. And I'm going to assume, you know, positive regard in this relationship that you all are, you know, hosting birthday parties

for children in the family. You're trying to spend time with one another that I hope and And I think that each of these family members probably wants to make things better. This day in particular seems like it was pretty stressful and high stakes for you and probably for your family, even if everyone couldn't articulate that. I know a first birthday is honestly, like, in my opinion, a thing for the parents, even more than the kid, it's like you've made it through your first year as a parent. You're a year postpartum. You're just maybe if it's your first child, you know, you're getting into the swing of being a parent.

And this can be a really overwhelming and hard day. You often have high expectations. You want it to go well. And so it's possible that things were said on this day and the way that they were handled was not perfect, right? And was representative of other stressful times that you all have had in the family. And so I would want to have this conversation again on a. day that was less high stakes and where there wasn't so much going on and give everyone an opportunity to maybe share why they don't feel appreciated, why they feel like they're the

one that always has to apologize first, why they're walking on eggshells, what you actually need from one another. And you'll learn a lot just from like trying to have this conversation, right? I think it's important in relationships that you want to repair. to try to lead with positive intent. So even saying, hey, I really want things to be good with you guys. I appreciate that you had the party for my daughter. And I know that that day was really stressful for me. I would love to talk about it with each of you. And this might be a conversation that you have the three of you, individually, whatever you feel is best for your family and for the dynamic. Maybe you do both. You know, you start with individual conversations and then you also talk together.

if as I'm saying all of this, for those of you listening, you're starting to just completely get like derailed by anxiety and thinking, oh my gosh, I could never do this with my family. Like they would absolutely just blow up and it would be a horrible conversation. Okay, that's data and you need to look at that. But if you haven't had this conversation outside of this stressful moment, it might be worth trying it again so that you can, get more feedback. And if it goes horribly and it's just more evidence that you feel like you're always the problem, they're being emotionally manipulative, they, you know, you guys can't work this out. Okay. But I do think that here there is an opportunity to do things in a way that is

less stressful. And the last paragraph I do want to come back to like that it was devastating to have this cloud, the joy of your daughter's birthday. I understand that. I think that is something that everyone needs to take responsibility for, right? Your mom, your sister could hopefully validate that for you and be like, we should not have said that on this day. We shouldn't have been fighting about this on this day. Like, we knew it was stressful for you. And we should, if we were really concerned about you and we wanted to talk to you about something like this, we should have brought it up on a different day. not right before your daughter's first birthday party because no one's going to react well to that in that moment, right? And I think that that's something we all can also do if anyone recognizes

themselves in this dynamic as the mom or as the sister, that that's something we can also think about and do. Thank you so much for sending in this question. I hope that it's helpful for you and for anybody who has been in a situation like this. And let me know your thoughts. Do you think that this approach would work in your family, it wouldn't work in your family, have you tried it out? What else have you tried? And what was successful for you? I'm writing to you, since this is your area of expertise. How does my husband handle his mother inviting other family members to meetups with him, me, and our children? She has done this in the past, even when he made it clear he doesn't want other family members there. Last time she did this, only one extra

person showed up, and she didn't get why the other members didn't show up too. This is a lot of the other members didn't show up too. This blew my mind. She's been talking bad about me and my husband for years. We only meet at neutral places because they have been rude and disrespectful at our home and have ganged up on us at their home. My therapist thinks his mom is likely BPD. I assume you mean borderline personality disorder. That would explain a lot if she is. It's always you are for me or against me. Both parents think they own my husband and his property. His mom said my husband, is keeping the grandchildren from her when she refuses to meet up at public places. She thinks she should be allowed at our house anytime simply because she gave birth to him.

There's lots more like sending people after me when he refused once again not to meet outside a public place. There is also a lack of empathy for health crises. Tried to sum it up. Thanks. This is a wife asking how her husband should handle a situation with his mother. right? And it sounds like there have been events that have led up to these boundaries. Okay. So this person is talking about, you know, the way that this mother would act in their home or when they would go to her

home around the family. When people act a very different way in private than they do in public, it usually tells me that they know that their behavior is not okay and that people would judge their behavior in public and also that they can control themselves and that they know when it's wrong and they know when not to do it. So if you have an abusive partner or parent who acts a totally different way when they're around other people, they have some level of awareness that they would be judged for that behavior. It would be illegal. You know, other people would have thoughts on it and they decide to only do it in private. So, then it's very odd then when that person is very insistent that they only want to have a relationship

with you in private and they don't want to meet up in public places. And then you're being accused of keeping the grandchildren away because you will not do exactly what they want. Now, I don't know this person's entire story, but I would imagine if you have made a decision that you were only going to meet up with this person in public places with the children. It's because meeting up in private has historically not gone well and you are trying to buffer against some of the negative consequences of interacting with them. And meeting up with them in public seems to improve your interactions because I don't really know anyone that would willingly choose and decide to exclusively meet up with someone in

public places with their children, like for fun. That sounds like a lot of work. Obviously, you would rather maybe do things at home, take your kids to their house, like people who have those kinds of relationships with their parents and with their grandparents, they like to be able to do that. This would be an odd thing to do without a reason to do so. And the fact that there is pushback on it is a little bit of a red flag to me of like, why do you want to meet up in this way that has historically not gone well for the family, where your adult son and his partner are telling you, like, hey, this isn't working for us, so we're only going to meet up with you in public. And this is the kind of stuff that people tend to do before making

any type of decision to become estranged, right? These are some of those behaviors that we're going to see of like, let me see if I can mitigate some of the damage. and the stress that we're feeling in this relationship by containing it some. I'm going to try only meeting up with my mother in public so that I can see if that works better. And if that works, then I can preserve a relationship with her and allow her to see my children because we are able to contain the relationship in a way that works for both of us. Now, when someone tries that and then they continue to get pushback and more of boundary violations, which is what's happening here, is typically then when the adult says,

I tried this, they continue to push the envelope, they did not respond well to these boundaries, and now I feel like I have to set even more boundaries. And I don't know exactly what the behavior here is. Let me see what she said here. Okay, it doesn't sound like the behavior was like clearly described of what this mother has done in the past. So I can only make assumptions that it was something that led to them saying, hey, when we meet up in public, it seems like she handles this better or let's see if she does. But now the next boundary violations that have been coming is that she keeps inviting other people

to these planned events with the grandchildren, right? And she says like that this mother-in-law has been talking bad about me and my husband for years. and we meet at neutral places because they have been rude and disrespectful at our home. Okay. This person also states that both parents think they own the husband and his property and that she should be allowed at our home anytime simply because she gave birth to him. So this is a common belief in hierarchical relationships, typically with authoritarian style parents. Parents who believe that for life, they are the parent, their children are their children,

no matter what their age, and that means that they get to have full authority over their children and their grandchildren and their children's partner for life. So when someone has this attitude, the way that they are going to display those beliefs is by asserting their dominance like this, saying, I should be allowed to do this. I have a right to that. And it will come out in that way. And you're kind of left being like, wait, aren't I the parent? of these kids, don't I get to decide? Like, when did we sign up to go into all of this together? And that

we all had the same amount of authority. And of course, in every family, the elders have different levels of authority depending on your cultural background, what works for your unique family, the skill set of the people in your family. But there are certainly families where the elder generation is using substances. They are emotionally immature. They are abusive. They are cruel. They're neglectful. And the parents of those children are trying to be a buffer in between the generations. Right. And that sounds like that's what's happening here. Now, back to your original question where this person said, I know it's up to my husband to ultimately make the decision. how does my husband handle his mother inviting other family members to meetups with him,

me, and our children? If you all do not want other people to be included in those meetups, and this is an issue for you, you can say that. You can say, mom, grandma, whoever, we would love to see you. We can do lunch at noon on this day. Just us. Does that work for you? Okay. agrees to it. Then you say, we do not want to invite anybody else. We are only going to come if it's just us and you. Does that work for you? She commits or she doesn't, and that's where you're at a crossroads. If she says, no, I have to invite all these other people. That doesn't work for us. We're not able to go. Let us know when you want to have a meal with just us. Or she agrees, you show up, there's three other people at the lunch. Okay, now you have a choice. You're either

going to set the boundary or show her that you're going to fold on it. So, okay, there's other people there. It's not what you agreed to. Mom, we told you that we were not going to have lunch. If there were other people here, we are going to have to go now. Now, sometimes people who are manipulative know that you might not make a scene or say anything in front of those other people. And she's banking on that. That if you show up to the lunch and there's other people there, you're going to want to appear polite and like you don't have issues with your mother. And so you're going to sit down and you're going to have the lunch and you're going to do it. And this, so this really depends on like what is going on here.

What is the dynamic? Do you feel like it's really important for you to only have interactions with her without other people there? What is going worse when there are other people there? Is there some benefit to having those people there? Because you are meeting up in a public place. I think that there's probably a lot more to this relationship dynamic that has led to this situation, right? These types of situations where you're having to only meet your mother-in-law and

your mother out in public don't happen overnight. It's typically because of a series of issues that have developed over time. And so when you look at the relationship from above, when you look at the whole history of it and not just this behavior, not just the fact that she's pushing back on this boundary and inviting other people and wants you to come to her house so that she can speak to you however she wants. What does the relationship look like? What are the common themes? What does the relationship feel like more often than not? Is this an isolated incident or is this the status quo? And sometimes you can get so dizzy in these relationships of trying to figure out like what is what that you need to step back and sit down and like make a list, you know, of everything that has led to this moment.

And the good parts of the relationship and the hard parts of the relationship and what are we actually looking at? What are we comparing here in terms of how this relationship functions? I think you are correct that your husband's got to make this decision. You could say I'm no longer going to come to these events with your mother. You guys could have a conversation about how much the children should be exposed to and what they are being exposed to. I don't know the ages of the children or anything like that or what's happening when the kids are around. But I think it's perfectly acceptable to not want your children to be exposed to people that are treating you poorly in front of them. It's not really the best message to send.

So can you and your husband have a conversation about that? I do like to always remind partners, spouses, significant others that it's going to take your partner longer to come to conclusions about their family than it might take you. And pressuring them or berating their family, saying all these things about them sometimes isn't very helpful. I can feel like you're trying to get them to come to a conclusion much quicker than they are ready for. And so even if what you are saying is 100% true, even if you're saying,

even if your spouse is being outright abused by their parent, sometimes the best thing you can do is be supportive, you know, be solid with them, show them that you want them to be treated well, that you believe in their ability to be independent and strong. And then the two of you also have to work out what happens with the kids because obviously that is a domain that is for both of you, right? And something that both of you have to handle. I want to thank these two people for sending in some really great questions. I hope that the questions were helpful for you and that you walked away with some advice and information that you can maybe apply to your own situation in your own unique way. And remember, these are anonymous questions. This is not therapy. I am not your

therapist. And everything that I say here should be taken with a grain of salt and used to apply to your own situation in your own unique way and used in your own therapy with. your therapist. I am Whitney Goodman. Thank you so much for listening to the Calling Home podcast. I hope to see some of you inside of a group at the Family Cycle Wakers Club this month. We will be back with another episode on Tuesday. Those are my like deep dive interview episodes. And then on Thursday, I will have another set of questions to answer for you. Again, you can always submit your questions to Whitney atcallinghome. dot CO in writing or in a voice note. And please don't forget to like, subscribe, leave us a review or comment on this episode. It helps me keep the show going. Thank you so much. Have a great day.

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