Camp Gagnon - AntiChrist, Dajjal, Kalki: Every End Time Prophecy EXPLAINED

Episode Date: August 6, 2024

THE END TIMES ARE NEAR?! AntiChrist, Dajjal, Kalki and many more prophecies have been foretold, so I did a deep dive on every major religions end time prediction. I tried my best to explain them and c...ompare them to our current days and to each other. We will survive the apocalypse haha WELCOME TO CAMP!TIMECODES00:00 Intro1:10 Joey Avery + all faiths have their end of times10:46 False prophecies throughout time16:36 When is the end? 2026?19:33 Mark & Joey’s view of religion22:51 Christiani...

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Starting point is 00:00:00 The end times are here. Well, at least that's what people have been saying for the last like 5,000 years. But eventually somebody has to be right. I mean, look, in the past decade, we've seen increasing natural disasters, more wars and conflicts, plagues and diseases, and many other signs that we might be in the last of days. And religious folks all over the world, they're convinced that we're in the end times. But what are the religious prophecies?
Starting point is 00:00:24 Well, today, we're breaking them all down. I've gone through and I've found every major religion's end time prophecy, and we're explaining the, whole thing. We're going through how they're all connected and how you can ultimately survive the impending apocalypse. I mean, whether we see the beasts and dragons from the book of revelation or the Dajal and the Yazjuj and Majouj from the Muslim tradition, or maybe if the Hindus are right and Kalki comes back and rebirths the universe into a new yuga. Or maybe if they're all right and we get some type of crazy final crossover religion episode. Who knows? But today, we're going to figure it out.
Starting point is 00:00:55 So sit back, relax, and welcome the king. Welcome back, everybody, to camp rituals or tent talk or whatever we call this. I don't know. We still haven't really zeroed in on a name. But this is the show where I explain some of the most fascinating, controversial, and interesting topics from around the world to my dumbest friends. And today, oh boy, we got a real dummy in a chair. Take a look at this guy.
Starting point is 00:01:34 Okay. So this is a real piece of worry. It's my friend Joey Avery, guys. Give it up for him. Don't be afraid to cheer. at home or whatever you'd like to do. What's up? Well, what a great, you know, introduction.
Starting point is 00:01:45 Usually you come on a podcast and people are like, he's a great comedian and whatever. No, this guy's... I didn't say you weren't. I'm a good idiot. I'm excited, dude. This is going to be fun. Here's the beauty is that we're all idiots, okay?
Starting point is 00:01:57 Because you might be dumb, but I am, by far, on this topic, I am much, much dumber. I basically got interested in this idea of, like, the end times, the world ending. Because obviously we hear people talk about this a lot. It pops up on my YouTube all the time where it's like, is the end. end of the world imminent. It's five signs that the world is ending. Like it just people keep on talking about this. You hear it all the time specifically within Christianity, but apparently this happens amongst basically every religion, basically since the beginning of time. It also makes a great thumbnail. Oh my goodness. I mean, why would never do that? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:02:30 Yeah, I can imagine what a thumbnail is going to be so. Six, six, six. Why the world is going to end right now. Yeah. So I've been found out. But I have I've done my homework. So I've been fascinated by this idea. And furthermore, I grew up Catholic. Okay. I'm not going to shy away from that. Okay. I'm actually quite proud of it. Shout out to all the Catholics listening. But I was like, I understand the Catholic slash Christian tradition for end times. But I was like, what do Muslims believe? What do Jews believe? What do Hindus believe? They don't even, they don't even have death. How does that work? It was like, my mind was like blown. And the thing that I love about this topic is that if you understand, five of the major religions end time, you know, stories, prophecies,
Starting point is 00:03:16 you basically can connect with every single human being on the planet. And all of a sudden, 8 billion people just, like, very easily narrows down. It's pretty interesting. Like, okay, all of India generally believes, like, this idea about end of times, and, like, it kind of influences how they live their life on Earth. I was like, oh, this is actually an interesting framework to sort of, like, compartmentalize and sort of, not to be reductive, but, like, kind of orientative. but like kind of organized people in a simple way.
Starting point is 00:03:42 This is perfect for me because I didn't grow up religious at all. Really? So I actually did not know that everyone had a plan for the end of the earth. I mean, pretty much. So like that is a general, like, fundamental idea behind like a life philosophy, specifically a religion. It's like, where did we come from? Why are we here? And where are we going?
Starting point is 00:04:01 Right. These are like the three questions that every sort of organized faith kind of has to answer, more or less. And so, like, you know, if you grow up in like an ignolyn, you know, tradition, you'd be like, I don't know where we came from. I don't know why we're here, and I don't know where we're going. And like, and neither do you. Yeah. It's the main, it's the main edition. Yeah, I also don't think you know. Yeah. That's a pretty reasonable. That's a pretty reasonable point. So, you know, there's like an atheistic idea about the end of the world, you know, where just there's a was that more scientific? Yeah, right. There's like a heat death of the universe and things just sort
Starting point is 00:04:31 of explode in a billion years. Yeah. That's possible. We freeze over. So that's one. It's kind of not very sexy. It's pretty interesting. But that's just kind of what it is. But today I want to go through specifically the religious ones. Again, growing up in a large organized religion myself, this is of supreme importance. Hey, what's up, guys? Sorry to interrupt this amazing program, but I need a little bit of help.
Starting point is 00:04:55 If you're watching this on YouTube, you can probably see our subscriber number right down here. And if you're able to, it would mean the world if you could subscribe. That is the best way to support this show. Because when you subscribe, I'm able to show it to potential guests or to different brands and stuff like that.
Starting point is 00:05:08 And it really, really helps grow the show, get us cooler guests, have cooler conversations, and it helps everything so, so much. So if you don't mind, thank you so much. Let's get back to it. What we're talking about is a thing called eschatology. This is the study of end times. Every religion, more or less, has a version of eschatology.
Starting point is 00:05:25 Again, this means basically like last. Like, it comes from Greek. Esca meaning last. Ology meaning fucking whatever the ology means. Yeah. And this is like the study of the end times. Okay, every religion's got it. And basically, ever since the beginning,
Starting point is 00:05:39 of written civilization. We're talking like, I don't know, 3,500 BC. All of our written records, basically from that year until today, people have been saying the world's going to end. Bit off rip. Everyone's got a story about how the world is ending. Everyone thinks it's happening immediately, and there's always been concern about the world ending. Someone's going to be right. It's going to end. That's what I'm saying. Everything that's alive will die. That's right. The Earth is one of those things. But it's kind of like how I have ideas about how I'm going to die. doesn't mean I'm right just because you know you can walk around being like oh I'm gonna get cancer or whatever you don't know but it happens if you do say you're gonna die you're basically guaranteed to nail it I mean yeah exactly there you go yeah so that seems like everyone's kind of like you know the world's gonna end yeah and I know why and that's why you should listen to me there you go so I want to go through all of them and it's actually interesting how so many of them tie together and they all kind of have like through lines and connections with each other and then I even want to try at the very end of this after we go through all of them to try to come up with a world where all of them are right.
Starting point is 00:06:42 And it's not as hard as you might think. I think we can potentially say all of them do happen and here's how they happen. Let's say all the prophecies of the end times from every disparate religion is true. There's a chance they could work. Okay. But we got to work out. I can even see, obviously we haven't done any of this yet, but I can even see the scientific concept fitting in with all of those because it's like the world will end.
Starting point is 00:07:07 they're just going to say, here's why it happened. There you go. I mean, the Big Bang was created by a Catholic priest. The Big Bang Theory. Not the TV show, but the actual scientific philosophy. Catholic priest, a little bit. What's he banging? You know what I mean?
Starting point is 00:07:20 He did make Young Sheldon. He was like, we got to make that. He's like, bazingo. Anyway, so it actually, yeah, it kind of is compatible where you're like, you know, God said let there be light, bang, huge explosion. The universe is created. The author of science and religion, he's not going to be at odds with each other. He's going to work in compatibility.
Starting point is 00:07:38 A lot of people have been saying the world's going to end. This guy, William Miller, 1831, he led these people called the Millerites. He was one of these big proponents. He basically did all these calculations and was like, all right, October 22nd, 1844, the world is ending. He based it off of a chapter in the book of Daniel, which is in the Bible, which is basically says, like, 2,300 evenings the world will end and the sanctuary will be cleansed. And he was able to calculate that from like when this happened something. and basically was like October 22nd, the world is ending. Mad people, like 100,000 people across the United States got these pamphlets and like congregated.
Starting point is 00:08:14 So specifically with him where he met up, like this is in the Northeast. Thousands of people congregated ready for Jesus to return. Yeah. The day became known as the Great Disappointment, which is also what Joey calls the first time he had sex. Okay. And that is an actual, that's an actual episode for this week. That is an actual fact about history. It's pretty crazy.
Starting point is 00:08:34 I love this concept because I feel like this is just how any of these things work if you make a claim that's that bold and you're that certain most people will say you're crazy and most people will be right but there's enough people that would be like I don't know let's see I'm of the camp of let's see yeah I'll read a conspiracy and it's like hey guys I think in the next two days some wild shit is going to happen like just save this post because it's going down yeah and I'm not the guy that's like oh this guy's crazy I'm the guy that's like
Starting point is 00:09:04 well, I'll save it. Yeah. Just see. But this is like me when I bet on sports, dude. Like I'll be putting together a parlay, you know, drunk on a Saturday night looking at six NFL games going, I'm just saying it's possible all six of those hit. I think the Jags are pulling it off this year.
Starting point is 00:09:21 You know? The Jags are pulling it off. It's a hundred bucks. We can make seven grand right now. It's kind of what he did. You just kind of go, hey, what if I'm right? What's crazy is that a lot of people left and they ended up joining a different organization where they started worshiping this woman. mother Anne Lee
Starting point is 00:09:36 they joined this thing called The Shakers and this woman's hilarious I only bring her up because this is the depiction of her that they use Oh Lord Yeah Megamond
Starting point is 00:09:46 Oh my 5 head We've all met a few girls like that That's okay Yeah You put down a couple of stella Also she starts looking pretty hot Damn So a bunch of people
Starting point is 00:09:56 Like went to the Great Disappointment You know what I mean Oh yeah Splash Zone Yeah Shammu baby They literally were at the great disappointment, and then immediately they joined the Shakers and start worshipping Mother Anne Lee.
Starting point is 00:10:08 Why? Because they're like, oh, this woman. She gets it. She's the real one. I love when people get burned by a false prophet, and then they're like, clearly we just had the wrong one. Isn't that crazy? Yeah. I was talking to this dude that infiltrated a doomsday cult, and he was like, they said that the world was going to end multiple times, and every time that it didn't end, they would lose like 10% of people.
Starting point is 00:10:30 But the 90% that stayed were more devout. and he would tell them, hey, here's why we got it wrong, we were just... This is why we got it wrong, and this is God testing you. Yeah. And it became more embedded.
Starting point is 00:10:41 But this is a specific... It's why it's so hard to change people's minds. I mean, this cuts across, like, politics, like, everything. It's insane. Yeah. There's more. Remember 2000? Y2K.
Starting point is 00:10:50 People thought the world was going to end there. The Mayan apocalypse, 2012. The world did not end. Haley's comment, 1910. People were like... For some people. What happened? Didn't some people...
Starting point is 00:11:02 Didn't some people, like, drink Kool-Aid and die with that comment? I think they did. I don't know, actually. I got to look into that. Some people, I think, because they thought it was going to go down, ended up killing themselves. So in that sense, I didn't read that. Those people were right. The world did end for them.
Starting point is 00:11:19 It's like the Heaven's Gate, cool. I could also be totally wrong. The Heaven's Gate people? The original Kool-Aid folks, right? Yeah, I mean, they kill themselves and they nail it. Yeah. What do you mean, Kool-Aid folks? That's what I said.
Starting point is 00:11:29 Sounds racial. Sounds very racial. the way you said that. Not what I meant, folks. Not those Kool-Aid folks. Okay. I get. Oh, yeah. Seen a lot of Kool-Aid jobs in this country. Anyway, that's racial. Was that a Trump reference? What is a Kool-Aid job, sir? Just look. Just look at the data. Haley's Common, 1910, basically people were like, Haley's comments coming back around. It's going to destroy the world. A lot of people, specifically in like the new era since like the 1900s, a lot of
Starting point is 00:12:02 end time prophecies are all built around like, like astrological collision. Mm-hmm. More like astronomical collision. Basically, this is like, oh, a comet's going to hit Earth. They're like, this great meteor is going to crush into the planet. Like, it's become like a real point of contention since like the turn of the 20th century. People are like, this is what's happening. Because it has happened.
Starting point is 00:12:25 But they're like, this is how it's going to really go down. So this comet thing really freaked a lot of people out. apparently a religious group in Oklahoma tried to sacrifice a virgin to ward off the impending disaster but they were stopped by the police according to a news report that I read it. God, damn.
Starting point is 00:12:40 Is the virgin a guy or a girl? I'm assuming. They always go girl. Right, but it's like... They don't just take some like school shooter in cell who just like can't get it done. Get rid of him. Let's just get rid of him.
Starting point is 00:12:50 Yeah. They never do that. Right. Male virginity just doesn't seem as valuable. I always wonder if they like ever sacrificed a virgin and hoping that something bad didn't happen and then the bad thing happened anyway
Starting point is 00:13:02 and they were like she was a whore got rid of it yeah 100% not only was she's a slut she's a liar god damn
Starting point is 00:13:10 now we're fucking getting invaded fuck the only time that would be that would that's how we do things you know
Starting point is 00:13:16 just fuck up blame the woman keep it moving right as things should be this is there's two more that are crazy like 1666
Starting point is 00:13:24 they had a really good point 1666 again this is the year that has 666 in it the mark of the beast which we'll discuss yeah the bubonic plague kills 100,000 people you gotta think we're cooking at this point in england specifically and then the great london fire destroys all of london basically happens in 1666 those people if they're like it's the end of the world i'd be like yeah you are completely justified and think yeah like that's a completely reasonable thing to think Yeah, for some people, they're watching the world literally burn around them while they're dying of a strange disease during the devil's year and feeling it. And they're like, oh yeah, this is it. Hellfire, plague. Yeah. The devil's year? Yeah, this all checks out. I always feel like heaven and hell are actual concepts that exist concurrently within people as they're alive.
Starting point is 00:14:16 It's very Buddhist. Is it? That is a Buddhist philosophy. Good. Which we'll discuss that. I will always end up backing my ass into some Buddhist philosophy. I'll just like figure it out myself. Yeah, some real text bro of a bullshit. I'll just see some dude be puking after a night out and I'm like, that is hell all right. Yeah, exactly. Your favorite band, Nirvana.
Starting point is 00:14:32 See, it all makes sense. Yeah, yeah. This is maybe my favorite one in the last one before we really get into this, all right? There's a woman named the Witch of Yorkshire, 1806. She had a bunch of followers. And she was a part of this greater group of what they call South Codians. Okay, this girl, Joanna Southcott,
Starting point is 00:14:53 she was like the leader of the whole thing. But this woman, Mary Bateman, all of a sudden was like, my egg is laying, or my chicken, my hen that I have is laying eggs that have prophecies written on them. On the egg is etched into the actual
Starting point is 00:15:07 hard shell of the egg, and it says, Christ is coming. She had many of these eggs that were laid, and she actually told a bunch of people in the city. She, like, told, like, judges and mayors. And she was like, Guys, this is insane.
Starting point is 00:15:21 Like, this, I think we have a divine hen. She ended up charging people a penny just to see the eggs. And ultimately, the hen was taken from her, confiscated by local authorities, and then no more prophetic eggs were laid. Not surprising. They later found out that she had written on the eggs using ink. I was going to say, she's just the woman who invented the pen.
Starting point is 00:15:41 Yeah. And reinserted the eggs backed into the hen's oviduct. That's so rude. Right? just fisting his hand with The hands like I just got rid of that I don't need it back in here Is that the origin of the Easter egg?
Starting point is 00:15:56 That is where it comes from That might be why we've been painting on eggs this whole time A little message on an egg? Yeah She later murdered someone and then was sentenced to death Strips of her skin were tanned into leather and sold As magic charms to ward off evil spirits The tip of her tongue was collected
Starting point is 00:16:09 By the governor of a local prison And two books were wrapped in her skin But they were later lost That is a crazy stat line right there. Everyone is basically like, yo, this chick is into some occult shit. She's being weird.
Starting point is 00:16:24 She needs to calm down. Let's kill her and use her skin for magic. Now this makes a lot more sense. 1800s were a weird time, dude. Sounds kind of lit, actually. I have great news, by the way. We have two big prophecies coming up in the next couple years for the end times.
Starting point is 00:16:41 Famous mathematician Heinz von Forrester. Definitely just a normal German guy. That didn't do anything weird. I haven't looked into that, but his name is Heinz von Forrester, and he did this prophecy in the 1960s. He's a brilliant mathematician, for all intents of purposes. It's just a very genius guy, and he says that the world... Good at coming to the final solution?
Starting point is 00:17:02 We have to look into that. He can't just call people Nazis, all right? Not all Germans, but many. He says that the world will end by Friday, November 13th, 2026. He predicted this back in the 1960s. But it's Friday the 13th. Yep, Friday the 13th. 13th November.
Starting point is 00:17:19 See, he's being goofy with it. I mean, did he use math to arrive at this? He did use math to arrive at this. In what sense? He said that there were 2.7 billion people in 1960, and by looking at the exponential growth of humanity throughout the years, it's almost certain that the human population will be infinite by 2026, and so everyone will be dead.
Starting point is 00:17:44 Well, he got that a little wrong. It's not feeling all that infinite. He's forgetting about like fucking cancer and the shit that we do to our cells and negative birth rates and yada yada. A little microplastics, turning your jiz gay or something. This was 1960.
Starting point is 00:17:58 He didn't know where fucking cumb was going to be gay. He didn't know. He didn't know. He didn't know. He was just a regular German that had no weird ties. And then there's another prophecy coming up. 2026. There's going to be a, two people have said 2026.
Starting point is 00:18:16 This is a guy, Riyaz Ahmed Gohar Shahi. He basically is from an organization called Messiah International. He believes, and he claims that he is the... I'll stop you right there. The organization is called Messiah International. Nothing worried about that. Nothing weird about that. What's the org do?
Starting point is 00:18:38 He believes that he's basically the syncretic fulfillment of the Christian, Muslim, Jewish, and Hindu prophecies of end time. Imagine the smell. He believes he's the Messiah for every one of these religions. For every one of them. Which, this goes back to my theory that I think you can tie them all together. He had a secret meeting with Jesus in New Mexico in 1997 and was told that the world. Jesus ain't got out of New Mexico. That's kind of what I was thinking.
Starting point is 00:19:06 He's not doing that. There's no way. I feel like if you're Jesus, you're like, yeah, you can meet me. We could do Paris. We could do London. Yeah. We could do some roof. We could do Soho maybe as long as you.
Starting point is 00:19:16 have a nice kind of spot. I don't see Jesus being like, yeah, let's go. Yeah. Let's go to Albuquerque. No, he chose Albuquerque. He was like, this is, remember the poor will inherit the earth, all right? This is a big part of Christian teaching. Then I'm out.
Starting point is 00:19:31 So we have those to look forward to. But the question remains, what does every religion believe about the end times? Yeah. Let's start with Christianity, shall we? Yeah. So, again, I'm going to kind of talk about this from sort of like a big picture, secular sort of view, despite growing up Catholic myself. Let me also just say...
Starting point is 00:19:48 You're not Catholic anymore, though, are you? What are you talking about? Are you? Yeah. I went to church two weeks ago. Okay. Counts. I go twice a month.
Starting point is 00:19:56 Full cath, though? No. I mean, well, sort of. So do you think that they're right, or do you feel like that it's just because you grew up identifying with it, you think you get valuable things out of it? Like, do you take it kind of literally
Starting point is 00:20:11 and feel like it's the correct thing to do, or do you like being a part of it and feel like you get good rewards back. I will say I really enjoyed my time growing up Catholic. I found the academic sort of literature of Catholicism. It would be really fulfilling. Like Thomas Aquinas, Summa, Theologica, I thought it was, like, brilliant. I really enjoy reading the catechism.
Starting point is 00:20:31 I was like, the Bible, ancient text. I was like, this is awesome. I love Catholicism. I do believe that you can basically judge a religion based off its fruits. And so I believe all the major religions specifically. That's why they get rid of them. All the major religions that we're talking about today, I think generally are pretty good,
Starting point is 00:20:53 and that's why they're still around. They've been around for thousands of years, and the only reason they're able to persist is because they do pretty good stuff. So I think by following any one of these religions, I think you're going to be generally a pretty good spot, and whoever the god is up there, I think will look upon us, you know.
Starting point is 00:21:08 So you're less like, because there are obviously members of each religion that are like, we are fucking right, and you have to be with us to be, Right. I'm not really on that. Yeah. So I told, again, I didn't grow up religious at all. I had none of that. I haven't even read a word of any of the text that you mentioned. But I have always found even growing up, you know, secular or agnostic, whatever it is, that in people turning away from religion, there was a lot of throwing the baby out with the bathwater where it's like, okay, I didn't like certain things about this organized religion. So we've gotten rid of the concept that you should have a structure in your life that, emphasizes being a good person that emphasizes following a moral
Starting point is 00:21:50 code that emphasizes giving back in your community. That's what I'm saying. I think prayer is good and if you are an agnostic person that has no one to pray to, then I think meditation is good. Yeah. And yeah, if you don't want to meditate, then I think killer's FAP. Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's some post not clarity, you know?
Starting point is 00:22:07 So that was kind of my perspective more or less. Maybe that changes one day. But as for now, I'm like... I think it's great. I think having a relationship with a higher being and praying and meditating maybe some type of like abstinence from food or dietary restrictions
Starting point is 00:22:23 to kind of I don't know like add a little bit of like difficulty into your day I think too much convenience is probably destructive to the human condition so all those things are hard to come up with reasons to get rid of it other than like I'm fat and then if you're just doing it for
Starting point is 00:22:39 yeah there's no reason I think practicing Ramadan is great like I'm gonna fast all day sun up to sundown for 40 days I mean, that's, like, I think, a very good exercise and self-control. Yeah. So, let's start with Christianity. Let's do it.
Starting point is 00:22:52 Now, every religion, again, I'm just going to couch this and saying, there is no one monolith that is Christianity or Islam or Hinduism. These are ancient religions that have a bunch of different subsets and sex. C-T-S, sex. Yeah. And, like, substrata and denominations within the greater umbrella. So, again, we're going to be here all. day if we try to break down every little
Starting point is 00:23:17 denomination within Christianity and how they view it. So I'm going to give sort of like a broad overview and also I'm going to get a lot of stuff wrong. I'm not a theologian. I'm not a Bible expert. I'm barely a podcaster. So we're just going to kind of go through this. I'll let you know if you missed it.
Starting point is 00:23:33 Yeah, exactly. I mean, fill in the gaps. Fill in the gaps for me. Christianity's understanding of the end times comes from all over the Bible, specifically the book of Daniel, Ezekiel, some of the Gospels, but primarily the book of Revelation. Have you heard of the book of Revelation?
Starting point is 00:23:50 I've heard of it. Not familiar with the full arc? Controversial book. Controversial book. Basically, Martin Luther, one of the reformers, kind of the guy that started. That's your thinking of, June, your third.
Starting point is 00:24:04 Yeah, you're thinking of the black one. I'm talking about the German one. Martin Luther, just the regular German guy. He's one of the reformers. He basically started Protestantism and evangelical Christianity. Lutheranism was like the first church he started. He was very controversial at the time. Big time. Controversial now if you ask me. But he tried to remove revelation from the Bible.
Starting point is 00:24:27 John Calvin, another early reform of the church, didn't write about revelation. There were very many church meetings, like early meetings, to decide whether or not it should be in. But alas, it is in the Bible. It was written by this guy named John, John of Patmos. We're not really sure if this is John the Apostle. the guy that wrote the Gospels or if this is a completely different John. It doesn't really matter, but I did think it was interesting that we're like, John of Padmos, who's this guy? No one really knows. Basically, he gets sort of like this vision, revelation sort of shown to him. So again, the word apocalypse in the Greek comes from the root word to mean like a revelation or
Starting point is 00:25:05 an unveiling. This is like basically apocalyptic literature that is very, very common amongst the Jewish people at this time. So people are aware of this type of literature. where it's sort of metaphorical and allegorical and has like all of these crazy symbols and meanings and calls back to other literature and books about a great end judgment. And that's what Revelation is all about. So this guy, John, basically gets this vision
Starting point is 00:25:31 and the book is pretty wild. If you ever read it, your mind will be blown. You're like, what does any of this mean? There's a lot of Christians that are kind of like, I don't like to, I don't like it. Like there's a lot of Christians that are like, I don't really want to read it. Because it feels weird
Starting point is 00:25:47 It's just it's hard to make sense of it If you don't understand really how to interpret it within the context It just sort of feels like a fever dream Yeah Like it's just crazy Like I'll give you just a little taste okay Wet my beak So it opens up by basically
Starting point is 00:26:01 You know Christ coming down He has like a His eyes are like glowing like fire His mouth is a sword His skin is bronze Like he looks crazy He comes down and he's like hey Here's seven legs
Starting point is 00:26:14 letters to seven churches in Asia Minor. And he basically is like admonishing all the churches, telling them the stuff they're doing good, telling them the stuff they're doing bad. And then all of a sudden, John goes up to this throne room where he sees 24 elders in a bunch of thrones and there's these seven lamps that are blazing. They possess the seven spirits of God. And then there's all these different creatures around. The first is a lion. The second is an ox. The third has the face like a man.
Starting point is 00:26:37 The fourth is a flying eagle. Each of the four living creatures had six wings and was covered with eyes all around even under the wings. So again, this is just part of it where you're like, this is pretty wild. And then they get these seven scrolls that are sealed up and no one can open them. And everyone's crying. They're like, oh, we can't open it. And then all of a sudden they're like, oh, wait, Jesus can open it. But Jesus isn't Jesus.
Starting point is 00:26:59 With his mouth sword. No. He's a lamb. He's a slain lamb. Again, representing symbolically the lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world. So he comes down and he opens the scrolls. And the scrolls all of a sudden are bringing in crazy things. The first four scrolls as they open, the four horsemen of the apocalypse.
Starting point is 00:27:19 Conquest, war, famine, death. So each one of these scrolls are just bringing in like the worst things in life ever. It's crazy. What happens when I scroll on my phone? Literally. Yeah, it's just, you want to talk about scrolls. These are, it's the whole, all the worst things, all the horsemen just coming out. The fifth seal, he opens up that one.
Starting point is 00:27:38 All of a sudden, John sees all the martyrs crying out. And all of a sudden the sixth seal, there's a massive, earthquake, the sun goes black, stars fall, mounds and islands are moved, all the living people retreat to their caves. And then the seventh seal introduces seven trumpets. The trumpets are all bringing destruction. Every time they play the trumpet,
Starting point is 00:27:58 there's more and more destruction. And then there's seven figures that show up at the end of the seventh trumpet. All of a sudden were introduced to these like seven different people. One of them is a dragon. Pretty sick. We got dragons in the Bible. I feel like not a lot of people talk about. I was going to say this book sounds amazing. It's crazy.
Starting point is 00:28:15 I'm like locked in. It's like a Ledlin song. You're like, what? Yeah. Basically, like, the dragon wants to devour the child. The first figure that we're introduced, I kind of skip that part, is a pregnant woman with a male child. I interpret this as the Virgin Mary. It seems pretty clear to me.
Starting point is 00:28:33 Some people would contest that, sure. The second figure that we're introduced to is this dragon that wants to devour the child. The third is a beast with seven heads that starts to kill everybody and starts to to eat all the people on earth. The next beast is what they call the beast of the earth. This is the Antichrist. This is a false prophet that tells everyone to follow the beast of the sea and wear the mark of the beast.
Starting point is 00:28:55 The beast emerges from the earth wearing two horns like a lamb, speaking like a dragon. He directs people to make an image of the beast of the sea, and he forces life into it. And he tells all people to bear the mark of the beast 666. And then the seventh figure then brings upon these, seven bowls. Now, I'm just going to stop right there, because all of a sudden we've just gone through some
Starting point is 00:29:17 crazy shit. Yeah, I was seeing that in my head. I was like a Lord of the, or a Game of Thrones sort of vibes right there. Crazy. So this is again where it's like, if you're reading all this literally, you're like, this is crazy. This is like pretty insane. I'm going to go through
Starting point is 00:29:33 all the different interpretations once I even finish this. So we're not far off. At the end of these seven figures, all of a sudden, we're introduced to the seven bowls. these seven bulls each one gets poured into the earth and they bring on seven more awful things
Starting point is 00:29:50 the first bull is a foul and malignant sore that afflicts the followers of the beast herpes exactly the sea turns to blood and then everything and it dies all the freshwater turns to blood the sun scorches the earth with intense heat total darkness and great pain overcome the beast's kingdom
Starting point is 00:30:08 the river euphrates dries up and this is pretty wild. This is where we're getting ready for the final battle at Armageddon. Again, these are all words you've heard. You're like, what is Armageddon? Yeah. Interestingly, a lot of people believe
Starting point is 00:30:23 that Armageddon comes from the word Har Megito. This basically means Mount of Megito. This is an actual place that's found in northern Israel today. There's been like many wars that have happened there. I've heard.
Starting point is 00:30:38 Not only in today's time, but in ancient times as well. Yeah. Har Megito. Tough neighborhood. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They've gone through it. They've gone through it.
Starting point is 00:30:45 That's like the OG Compton. Yeah, that's what they say. Then they're saying that that is where Armageddon comes from. Har Megito. And then the seventh bull gets poured into the earth. A great earthquake and a hailstorm. And again, just more awful things happen to the earth. And then judgment.
Starting point is 00:31:04 Again, this is all put in revelation in chronological order. Now we face the judgment of the two beasts, the dragon, and the dead. The beast and the false prophet are cast into a lake of fire. The dragon is imprisoned at the bottom of this pit. Resurrection martyrs come up and live and reign with Christ for a thousand years. So now we have a thousand year messianic reign. And then at the very end of that we have the last judgment. Jesus will raise all people from the dead, gather everyone before him.
Starting point is 00:31:31 Then he's going to individually judge each person by looking at their actions, feelings, thoughts, words, sins. And you won't be able to hide anything from God. at that point, Jesus will kind of divide everyone into two groups, the damned and the saved. And that is basically the end of judgment day. All the damned will then be cast into the fires of Hades and hell with Satan, with all the beast, with all the wickedness. And then all the saved will live in the final city, the new Jerusalem. This is basically a new heaven and a new earth to replace, obviously, the old heaven and the old earth. And there's no more suffering or death.
Starting point is 00:32:04 God comes to dwell with humanity in the new Jerusalem. it gives like this beautiful description of the New Jerusalem and how awesome it's going to be the river of life Singapore. It's basically Singapore. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, if you ever played like Mario Kart, it's like the Vancouver one where it's like all class and everything. Okay, tight, tight, tight. The river of life and the tree of life appear for the
Starting point is 00:32:23 healing of nations and people. The curse of sin is ended. Wow. That's basically how the Bible ends. Wow. You go through the whole Bible and all of a sudden you read that. Spoiler alert, by the way, everyone at home. Yeah, the good guys win. Yeah, that's the most. I've ever wanted to read the Bible. I think I probably won't because that was a great description right there.
Starting point is 00:32:43 But I was like, I was always as someone who hasn't read it, I was like, what sorts of tales am I missing out on? That's what I was hoping for. I'm glad that they let, now Martin Luther wanted this in or he didn't? He wanted it out. Martin Luther had a couple of books. He's kind of a prudish fellow. He's not with the fire and brimstone and dragons.
Starting point is 00:33:01 Not so much that. I think he wanted to remove a lot of books that talked about like Mary, a lot of things that talked about purgatory, things that he thought maybe. I don't know exactly why he wanted to pull out Revelation, but he did want to, he pulled out a lot of books that, like, the Catholic Bible will possess, but the Reformed Protestant Bibles won't possess. These are books known as the Apocrypha. These are where we got the word apocryphal. I see. So Catholic is the, is the OG. The one holy Catholic and apostolic church. Certainly, yes. The correct. What's up? Catholic. Key boys, you know what I'm saying? Capacy. Pable boys. Key boys. So, and then the Protestants Sorry, this is probably dumb, but I just don't know The Protestants were like, hey, let's fucking clean this up a little bit And have like a nicer version of it
Starting point is 00:33:47 And so they came later, but they've removed stuff, is that true? They came later and the way it sort of manifests in America today Like most Christians in America I would consider to be Protestant evangelicals That is like the term I would use. And most like presidents were Protestant That's why like it was a big deal that Kennedy was Catholic. Exactly. Exactly. So, like most, obviously because America is a colony of England, there's a lot of, you know, like, not anymore, but yes. Formerly.
Starting point is 00:34:12 There's obviously a lot of like Lutheran Church of England, evangelical type Christianity that exists in America. So they don't necessarily subscribe to the Pope. They don't sort of organize under like one specific type of leadership the way Catholics do. They don't necessarily have the same reverence for Mary. They've used. Catholics, I think, is like worshiping Mary. We don't. We honor Mary. And then they don't necessarily believe in the transubstantiation of the Eucharist. Probably in trans at all.
Starting point is 00:34:46 It's basically at church. They say this is the body and blood of Christ. Catholics believe that the spirit of those objects is basically imbued with the divinity of Christ and has to be honored as such. Whereas Protestants believe it's sort of symbolic. And so I think for me at least, I'm like, yeah, if you like Jesus, then you're pretty much in the club. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:35:05 You know what I mean? It's like when people look at a college campus and they're like, you're all frat bros and you're like, actually we're fucking Sigma Kai and we're like better in sports and the other thing. Let me put it this way. Protestants are big on Solis Scriptura. This is basically the Bible is the truth alone. We don't need to listen to the Pope. The Bible, the words in the Bible is what it's all about. Sola Fides, we're saved by faith alone.
Starting point is 00:35:30 We don't need to do anything to earn God's love. We don't have to be good. We don't have to, if you love God, you will act good, but you don't have to do a certain number of things to get to heaven. You don't have to be like, God, look at all the good things I did. See, that's funny. I had the exact opposite belief where I'm like, I didn't grow up feeling like faith was very important. So I feel like God will look down on me and be like, ah, he's a cool guy. He was doing his thing and he tried to, you know, he kind of figured I was out there and was trying to be chill about it.
Starting point is 00:35:59 You might be right. I might be. So that's some of the distinctions. all that to say, part of the reason why I think like reformed Christians love Revelation, or not necessarily love it, but look at it very specifically, is because there's a bunch of different interpretations. There's one interpretation that's very symbolic.
Starting point is 00:36:17 There's another interpretation that's very literal. And there's a certain subset of Christianity that doesn't like when you get a little too symbolic and metaphorical with the Bible. Because they think like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. The Bible is without error, which basically every Christian believes. and but once all of a sudden you start being like oh this is metaphorical and this is metaphorical and this is metaphorical they get a little uncomfortable right and then you can say everything is whoa whoa whoa whoa so as a result they kind of go the other way and they go no revelation is literal that would have been a wild time it's going to happen oh it hasn't happened yet it is all prophetic a thousand years of rain some people believe that we're in the time now it's been raining a bit not that much i'm just saying there's a bunch different ways to look at at this. So some of the ways people look at this, there is a preterist way. This is what they call it
Starting point is 00:37:07 within Christian eschatology. This is kind of an atheistic way. This is basically a way to say, like, everything that has happened in Revelation is basically being written about stuff that has already happened in the past. So the author, John, is writing about things that have already happened and putting in in like these big flowery metaphorical ways. And it's all just pure literature. It's all, you know, there's no great divine plan that's going to happen. There's a historical view which is basically saying some of it has happened and some of it is happening now and some of it will happen in the future.
Starting point is 00:37:38 And then there is a futurist way that is basically like all of this will be unfolding at a later time. So those are like more or less the three ways that people kind of interpret this. I do kind of want to go through some of the ways that people interpret this through like sort of a,
Starting point is 00:37:54 I would say like a historical sense where they're like, oh, maybe this is all metaphor for things that were happening at the time in order to speak to the people and, like, communicate the message to them. So one of the things I want to bring up is 666, the mark of the beast. This is a thing people talk about all the time. You see it in rock music, see it in rap now. You know what I mean?
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Starting point is 00:40:19 So again, what John is... Like, Lil Zan? Tricky Red. Yeah. What John is doing here is he's calling back to other books in the Bible. So Revelation is full of all of these callbacks to other parts of the Bible that kind of tie the whole thing together. So in Deuteronomy, it talks about having scripture on our heads. And that basically means that you're living a pious life.
Starting point is 00:40:40 You're close to the word of God. And you're basically, you know, one with the religious literature of Christian. humanity. Deuteronomy would have been a great name for the podcast. Deuteronomy. That's far. Yeah, it is. But it doesn't literally mean put the scripture on your forehead.
Starting point is 00:40:58 Right. It just means like, oh, just be one with the scripture. So when he's saying six, six, six, he's not like, oh, there's literally going to be six, six, six on the forehead. He just means, oh, this is going to be basically, you know, they're going to be living in a way that's antithetical to what Christians believe you should be doing. It will be clear to see. everyone will know, oh, they're living sinfully. You know what I mean? They're not honoring God in some capacity, however that is.
Starting point is 00:41:22 And then furthermore, there's a really, really interesting thing where basically the letters of the alphabet at this time can be also used as numerals. So this is a very specific thing that was happening both in Greek and in Hebrew at the time of writing this. So again, at the time of writing this, the emperor of Rome was this guy named Nero. Nero was not a good guy. He hated Christians. He was a crazy dude. He was persecuting people. He was killing people all the time.
Starting point is 00:41:52 Some people say he was part of the reason why Rome fell apart. If you add up the letters of Nero Caesar's name when it's spelled in Hebrew, the sum is 666. Apparently this is a very common thing that they would have done, that John understands that the audience would have read and been like, oh, he's making a reference to Nero here. He's basically saying the evil people at this future time, you know, when the world is falling apart, will be behaving as Nero. And they're not going to literally have 666, but they're going to have like the attitude and spirit of Nero in them at the end of time. So that's where 666 came from. People speculate. That's what they're saying. Because there's no other.
Starting point is 00:42:32 What actually emboldens this theory is that there's some Greek variance of the same writing. And they say the Mark of the Beast will be 6.1. And when you take Greek and do the same numerological breakdown, Nero Caesar comes out to 616. Oh, shit. So it gives more credence to this idea that like, oh, he's using a metaphor, again, that the people of the time understand in this very specific genre of literature that they're very familiar with, to say at the end of times, people are going to be behaving very evilly.
Starting point is 00:43:03 They're not going to be, they're going to be wicked, they're going to be sinners, and they're going to be behaving as Nero is right now. It's tough reign as a politician to get thrown in the Bible as a metaphor. for the devil. Right? It's a rough term. But also, he might have been a scumbag.
Starting point is 00:43:16 He might have deserved it. He sounds like he was not great. There you go. So I think that's, that to me makes a lot of sense. I'm like, oh. And a lot of the metaphors and stuff in here that I think we read nowadays
Starting point is 00:43:27 we're like, oh, this is crazy. What does this even mean? At the time, there was a lot of things that made a lot more sense to the people that are reading it, understanding the context. So, like, even for example, like, there's all of these things
Starting point is 00:43:39 where like, for example, they talk about Christ appearing with seven stars around his head. And this is basically immediately setting up some type of like relationship kind of like, counterpart with Jesus and Caesar, you know, the leader of Rome at the time. And so basically they're saying like you have coins in your pocket that would have, you know, the seven stars around Caesar's head. And they're looking at this saying, oh, he's basically making a comparison between Christ and Caesar to say that Jesus is the true king. That's what this metaphor is pointing at.
Starting point is 00:44:13 But we read it now. We're like, oh, there's like seven floating gaseous balls. Because our understanding of stars is different than what their understanding of stars were. Uh-huh. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. So, again, this is just breaking down, I think,
Starting point is 00:44:24 kind of demystifying some of the stuff. In my opinion, when I read Revelation, I'm like, it's largely metaphorical. It's sort of a beautiful tie-up of the whole Bible where, like, he's drawing from all of these different parts of the Bible and then summarizing things, and then the world basically ends the exact same way that it started. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:44:41 where all humans are living on earth and peace, the way Adam and Eve were, there is a tree of life, there is a river of life, and all people is good, and the curse of sin is ended. It's kind of beautiful where, like, oh, the final book wraps up exactly where, you know, Genesis starts. It's like, oh, this is...
Starting point is 00:44:58 With a bunch of callbacks, with dragons, so you're kind of ending on a flurry, a little grand finale. That's what I'm saying. Like a stand-up set. Exactly. Exactly. Yeah. And then a little point.
Starting point is 00:45:10 A little point there at the end. Yeah. So I look at it and I'm like, oh, this is actually not as mystical and not as crazy when you kind of break it down. But that's if you're assuming that it is metaphorical. Right. People, you know, as you know, have issue with. A lot of people dispute that. So again, there's a bunch of different ways to break this down, which is very interesting. And this is like a pretty nuanced, detailed disagreement that happened within specific like Christian biblical circles.
Starting point is 00:45:35 So there's this thing known as pre-mill, ah-mill, and post-mill. So again, we're talking about this messianic reign, right? where Jesus comes, a thousand years apiece, judgment day. People dispute when exactly this is supposed to happen, and they reference a bunch of different parts of the Bible and put them together to justify what they claim will happen. And this is where we get the idea of the rapture. You've heard of the rapture?
Starting point is 00:46:00 I have. So this comes kind of from this idea. And again, the rapture depends who you ask. Some people think it's biblically supported and has been around. Is this judgment day or these are different? a little different basically dude they used to have a
Starting point is 00:46:14 sorry for the side not here did you ever smoke spice no I remember this was back in the day I had friends who were like college athletes and they would get drug tested for weed so they couldn't smoke weed but we were in college so they would smoke spice and there's one called judgment day
Starting point is 00:46:28 and everyone who smoked it basically had judgment day it was like anxiety attack in a pouch and so like I had friends who were like I have a friend who played football at Cal and he was like smoky and like freaking the fuck out and like I've I've disobeyed my family like that's on them yeah it's on the package exactly it is it is so it's you know you should have been a real thing yeah like sometimes
Starting point is 00:46:50 I'll see those weed strains where it's like the final puff yeah it's like okay I don't think I want that yeah I want is there one called mildly high yeah right light micro dose would be an amazing weed strain for me all right back to the perfect right so there's it's again sort of technical but this is where the idea the rapture comes from which a lot of people have heard the rapture and they're like, what exactly does that even mean? So more or less, kind of what this rapture idea is, is it got really popular around like the 1800s. Again, in sort of like Protestant evangelical circles. Some people will say that it's been around and it is the true belief of people that read the Bible of Christians.
Starting point is 00:47:27 Other people dispute it and say the rapture is sort of a erroneous idea that doesn't really hold up. Again, I don't have a dog in the fight. I'm just explaining the details. basically if you believe that Jesus is here and then we're in this period of messianic reign where you know Christ is king and then we're going to have you know kind of like a degradation of society
Starting point is 00:47:48 and then Christ comes back he brings all the people with him we do judgment day and then that's the end of the story then the rapture idea doesn't really hold up but if you believe so for example there's this thing called the tribulation where basically there's going to to be a period of hardship for Christians.
Starting point is 00:48:08 And this creates the rapture. Basically, if you believe that Christians are going to be with God, which again, if you interpret the Bible in different ways, you can get this reading, that Christians are going to be with God prior to the tribulation, then there's basically going to be Christ, the people that go up to be with God before the tribulation, years of tribulation, and then the return of Christ in Judgment Day. That's where you get this idea of the rapture where basically the people that are devout will then go to be with God prior to the time of difficulty.
Starting point is 00:48:42 I do love how every religion has built in, it's like when you talk to someone about astrology and it's like there's all these little like built in things that will help people feel like they are where they're supposed to be. So like every religion has these things where it's like, just so you know, shit's going to get tough. Like it's built in for all these things where you know a group. of people are going to go through this no matter what. So it can end up feeling prophetic
Starting point is 00:49:07 when it's also just like, hey, just so you know, people aren't going to believe you, and times are going to be tough, and then it's easy to be like, see, it's in there, and it's like, of course that this would happen. That is in basically every religion. The ones that I've read, it's like, oh yeah, there will be a time where you are doubted.
Starting point is 00:49:21 Yeah. And it's like, oh shit. And then you justify it. I don't know. But maybe one of them is true. It's like when you read your sign and it's like, it's like, you know, for people who are born on this birthday, this is going to be a tough week.
Starting point is 00:49:31 Like, stuff's going to be difficult. then you've got to work hard. And it's like, I fucking do, dude. But who's to say? I mean, one of them might be right. And you're like, yeah, they are going to doubt you. You can't just ask the crazy things. You can't say it's not that.
Starting point is 00:49:44 Yeah. So, again, basically, there's going to be this time of tribulation. And so there's these things called pre-tribilatribus, mid-trib, and then post-trib. So if you're post-trib, this is, like, I think, what the classical interpretation is. Post-trib clarity. Yeah. It's basically like, okay, crazy. Christ is here.
Starting point is 00:50:04 There's going to be this millennia of, you know, Christ's reign or whatever. There's going to be this tribulation. And then Christ is going to return the second coming of Jesus and then all the stuff we talked about. Judgment Day, yada, yada, yada. But then there's some people, like I was saying, that are like, no, no, no, God is going to come get us before the tribulation or during the tribulation. And in which case, that means we're going to be with God in the middle of all of this before he actually comes back. And so there's a passage in Thessalonians where Paul is basically writing. and he says, and this is again, quote from the Bible,
Starting point is 00:50:35 for the Lord himself will come down from heaven with a loud command with the voice of the archangel and the trumpet call of God and the dead in Christ will rise first. After that, we who are still alive and our left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. So we will be with the Lord forever. And a lot of people point to this and say,
Starting point is 00:50:53 yeah, we're basically talking about the rapture. That prior to Christ's second coming before he actually comes back to judge everyone and there's, you know, a final victory over wickedness and evil, that the righteous are going to go be with him. And so they wrote this whole book, like the Left Behind series. It's like a very popular book that I think came out like the 80s or 90s that basically talks about this idea of the rapture
Starting point is 00:51:14 where it's like, you know, some people went with God and then all the people that are left on earth just have to like deal with this terrible time of tribulation. And it's kind of wild. Like you see like different memes where it's like someone's clothes or something on the ground. And it's like, oh, you just got raptured out of here. He's gone, you know what I mean? And so the concept is if this were to happen,
Starting point is 00:51:32 like if we were sitting here right now, you would just yeat out of here and just be gone, and I would just be like, I gotta finish this pot. All my own, where are the notes? Give me the laptop. So there's even references in the Bible where they say, oh, there's two people in the field,
Starting point is 00:51:50 and one of them goes to be with Christ, and the other one stays to till the field. And it's like, that sucks. That's all this work. Bomber. Right? It's literally this situation we're talking about. So it creates a very interesting dynamic.
Starting point is 00:52:03 I'm not really a big rapture guy, but there are a lot of people that do believe in it. And that's where it comes from, this idea that prior to the actual second coming of the Messiah, that there will be this time where the righteous just fly out of it. Yeah. Crazy. And again, the way you read the Bible, the way you interpret it, you might get a different thing. There's another element of this that I think is actually really important that actually affects geopolitics and foreign policy in America. So again, this comes from the literal interpretation of the Bible.
Starting point is 00:52:31 Yeah. Within the Bible... We're heading to Israel right now, aren't we? Exactly. Yeah. And even throughout Revelation, there's mentions to Israel. We talk about the New Jerusalem. Israel is brought up all the time.
Starting point is 00:52:42 It is fascinating because I know more about politics than I know about religion, and it is amazing how, like, the most fervent supporters of the Jewish state generally are evangelical Christians who want it to exist, not because they think the Jews will be saved, but because they think it has to be there so that they can go be with Jesus while the Jews get damned to hell or whatever. So there's some mention that once all the Jews congregate in Israel, that then Messiah will return.
Starting point is 00:53:10 So people talk about this. And so... To pick up a penny. So people basically like read the Bible literally. And some of these people that, again, there's a literal interpretation where, like, for example, in the Bible, there will be mentions where it says, you know, all the people of Israel,
Starting point is 00:53:27 If anyone is against you, I will curse them. And everyone that is with you, I will bless them. So me, a Catholic, I interpret this through sort of what I would consider a classical interpretation to say that Israel in this metaphor is representing God's people. This is basically a body of believers that follow God. So when he says Israel, he really is saying, you know, people, my disciples. The people that love Christ and that follow, you know, the Lord. If anyone's against you, I'll curse them. and anyone that's with you, I'll bless them.
Starting point is 00:53:59 People that read it literally say, oh, he's talking about the literal nation of Israel. And so this is where you get in America a lot of support for American supporting and military backing in Israel because they say, oh, he's, you know, the Bible says that we got to support Israel.
Starting point is 00:54:14 And so any government that supports Israel is cool with me. We want to be with them. So when the Jewish state was established after World War II... 48. Were they referencing the Bible when they were like, like, do you think that the people,
Starting point is 00:54:29 I don't know if you know the answer to this, but do you think that the people sitting at that table who were like, we got to give a Jewish state, were people who had this belief in the Bible that were like, yo, it's time.
Starting point is 00:54:38 We got to make Israel. Because I think most of those are predominantly Christian nations making that decision. Yeah, I can't speak to it specifically, but I can say that like growing up I would meet people. Like, again, I went to a Presbyterian school,
Starting point is 00:54:53 which again is a sub-denomination of Protestantism. And I would meet parents of my friends that are like, well, yeah, you know, we have to support Israel. We have to support Israel because... Where else are we going to meet up with Jesus? Literally. It was like baked into the religion.
Starting point is 00:55:07 It's like, of course, we must support Israel because God said all that are with Israel are blessed. And everyone that's against Israel is cursed. So we got to support Israel. We have to support Israel. And so that's where you get... I'm waiting for the text from Jesus that's like, pulling up in five come through. Yeah. And again, not to speak about like the greater political connotation.
Starting point is 00:55:26 This is not a commentary on Middle Eastern politics. Certainly, but it ends up being very interesting because it ends up that people who have these beliefs that, as we're saying, could be right, could be wrong. You end up affecting real people's lives quite seriously. Exactly. And with the faith and ferventness with which people believe things, you feel like any decision is justified,
Starting point is 00:55:47 especially when something tells you like, you have to stand with Israel or you ain't with us. So I think there's some people that look at America and they're like, why do they love Israel so much? Again, not all people, but there's a subset of Christians that do support Israel, largely because of a literal interpretation of the Bible as well as Revelation. It's pretty wild.
Starting point is 00:56:08 It is pretty wild. So that's more or less... What's your stance? Give it to the Catholics. Give it to the Catholics. Let the Catholics have another whirl, all right? Clearly, you guys, both that you had a shot. The Crusades weren't great, but I think we can really get it on this trial.
Starting point is 00:56:23 I think we should just give it to the fellas, dude, and just have a, you know. Sigma Chi. Yeah, dude, it should just be a frat. It should just be a boy. We should get some golf courses out there. Let live. Everyone just does their badge out there, just a bunch of fellas out there. Could be sick.
Starting point is 00:56:39 So people like to point out like, oh, the Antichrist is coming, yada, yada, yada. Again, I think if you take a more metaphorical approach to this, the Antichrist is a, is a black woman. Auntie. It's the opposite of the Uncle Christ. Yeah, that's right. That's right. But yeah, big Anties Christ, too, is a movie. Yeah, that's right.
Starting point is 00:57:02 It's a Tyler Perry. Yeah, Big Anties Christ too. It's a pretty... Eddie Murphy's everyone. It's crazy. But yeah, so there's like some wild theories. A lot of people try to point to revelation in other parts of the Bible to be like,
Starting point is 00:57:14 look, it's coming, it's happening now. But again, in the Bible, let all the Christians know that no one knows the time that judgment day will come. Not even Christ himself, only the Father knows. So, that's what it says. So I don't know if we should really be looking at Revelation. So Christ is just at the crib gaming on Xbox waiting for Dad to be like, it's time.
Starting point is 00:57:32 They say he's at the right hand of the father, just chilling. Just posted. Ready for action. Yeah, are they just hanging? I don't know, because I think God exists outside of time, so I don't really know how that works for him. Right, right. But, you know, like a good hang. We ain't looking at the clock.
Starting point is 00:57:48 That's a good point. We're five right now. I don't know how old. Yeah, I don't know what time. So, there we go. That's basically, more or less, the Christian end-time story. This is what Christians around the world largely believe. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:58:01 Elements of this, revelation, stuff like that. I have a feeling, this is my prediction. The threat of all of these end time is someone's coming back and they're going to know. It's like, I have a feeling that every religion's end times is like how children experience Santa. It's like, Christmas is going to come and we're going to find out who's been naughty or not. Nice. And you get gifts or you get coal. That's kind of a good point because almost all of them do involve the return of or the first coming of a Messiah figure that will save humanity. And then it's based on your behavior.
Starting point is 00:58:38 Ultimate judgment. Yeah. So if everyone thinks it, it might be true. But Santa is like, you know, Jesus for babies. In a way. I think we discuss another Abrahamic religion. Let's do it. Again, this is a religion that is based off of Abraham.
Starting point is 00:58:54 The same Abraham we talk about in the Bible. Lincoln. Not that one. The other one. The guy Abraham Lincoln is probably named after. That makes sense. O.G. Abraham. And this is Islam.
Starting point is 00:59:06 So, Islam, again, just to kind of give a little breakdown here, and like I said before with Christianity, Islam is an ancient religion, which has very many subsets. You have Sunni, you have Shia. I'm sure you've heard these terms. each of them kind of leaves subtly different things so far as how the religion evolves. And furthermore, how it even affects... And they haven't let those subtleties define them.
Starting point is 00:59:29 Not at all. But just like Christianity, again, there's a little substrata, there's Wahhabism within Islam, and again, that's even a subset of a subset. So all that to say, this is not speaking for all Muslims, is, again, a broad overview of how people like me that didn't grow up Muslim can understand, more or less what Muslims believe. and all the similarities and some of the, you know,
Starting point is 00:59:50 commonalities that we share as, you know, believers of an Abrahamic faith. Furthermore, I'm not going to get all this right. I'm not an expert in the Quran. I haven't read the Hadith. I don't know all things, you know, only Allah knows.
Starting point is 01:00:02 Certainly. But if this is interesting to you, then maybe, you know, you're someone that could research us more, look into it. Call up you're a mom. Go to a mosque. Maybe you can learn something.
Starting point is 01:00:11 I'll give you an mom a call. I said imam. It's an Arab word. Jesus. Shout out to him. Hey, don't say that in this portion. Well, I'll have you know. Actually, they do believe.
Starting point is 01:00:22 They just believe that they're there. They came later. And they love Jesus. This is why Muslims are tight with Jesus. Are the best. We have so much in common. So, basically, within Islam, there's two main doctrines that you got to look at. The Quran, which again is the Word of God.
Starting point is 01:00:38 And then the Hadith, which is basically a collection of thoughts and ideas about the Prophet Muhammad, Peace Be Upon Him. So these two things kind of will put together the general idea of end. time. So within Islam, the timeline is actually a lot more simple, in my opinion, just based off what I've read, than it isn't Christianity. I'll even show you right here. Basically, you're going to have minor signs. That's going to be the first thing that comes up. And these minor signs, again, from Wikipedia, they have a whole list. Many of them have already happened. So some of these minor signs is the sending of the prophet, praise be upon them. Death of the prophet, peace be upon him. Disappearance of the fire in the hijaz, which apparently happened,
Starting point is 01:01:18 in the seventh century. Splitting of the moon. A form of death will kill thousands of Muslims, which is believed to be the Amwas plague. Muslim conquest of Jerusalem. Muslim conquest of... I thought it was going to be a backpack, folks.
Starting point is 01:01:32 Wait, what is that? Something that kills hundreds of Muslims. Jesus. That is anti-Semitic. No. When did the moon split? I don't know exactly. I don't know.
Starting point is 01:01:44 I think if there's a Muslim Muslim, maybe you can explain what exactly that means. I don't know. So again, these are things that have had before. Musical instruments become prevalent. 30 liars will appear, each thinking that he is a prophet. Again, this is all sort of described.
Starting point is 01:02:01 Events that are then argued to have been happening now, so tribulations will continue to prevail. Zina, which is adultery, will become widespread, wine and alcohol. Was it not before? Is the argument? That's the argument. The argument. It seems like it.
Starting point is 01:02:15 People were keeping it in the old pantalonis back then. I seem like, I mean, if I was going to take a time machine at any time in history to get laid, I'd probably go like to the 90s. I was going to say to tomorrow. It seems like it's getting progressively easier. 90s, Wall Street. Yeah, martini, lunch. So I wouldn't go to, you know, 1,400 BC or whenever this is. Right.
Starting point is 01:02:39 And then there's again... I think people were smashing back then, too. Sure, but I think it was... I think the zina, the adultery, sex outside of marriage, I think, was much more common now. is the argument. Again, this is what they would say. Arabia will become a land of gardens and rivers. That's an interesting one.
Starting point is 01:02:57 That hasn't happened yet. So they say. But then you look at Dubai, you look at Abu Dhabi, you look at the Emirates, you look at Saudi Arabia, you look at Qatar. All of a sudden you're like, oh, wow, there's a lot of foliage,
Starting point is 01:03:10 a lot of greenery. Yeah. It's very interesting. There's even a prophecy in the Hadith about, You know, that Muhammad says, peace and blessings be upon him. He says when the prophet was asked about the signs of the final hour, one of the signs he mentioned, again, this is in the Hadith,
Starting point is 01:03:29 when you see the barefoot, naked, destitute shepherds competing in constructing tall buildings, then you will know that the final hour is upon us. Dubai. Look at Dubai. I'm just saying a lot of people point this out. So, to Dubai is the Muslim belief in the end times? I don't know. I'm just pointing it out.
Starting point is 01:03:50 He's smoking hookah and skydiving. He said this thousands of years ago. Yeah. It's a pretty solid prophecy. Barefoot naked shepherds? Yeah, I think he's talking about like Bedouin pastoralist, people that have like livestock. Who've never had Mexican food? Wait, what?
Starting point is 01:04:08 Pastorless? Okay. Okay. We're going to put a pun limit on you. Okay. I don't know. Because I think you hear words. Peace be upon him.
Starting point is 01:04:16 You go, that's a different. That's indebtorless. That sounds like a different word. It is different, yes, yes. So more or less, again, there's going to be like... It's the worst segment for me to be ripped off jokes during... At all. Let the record show.
Starting point is 01:04:27 Yeah, that you... I don't joke around with Muslims, okay? I think that is a smart move. When you get to the Buddhist part, you can make as many jokes about them as you want. We're going to go loose on those. Fuck, yeah. No, I'm just kidding. I'm just saying, okay, I don't mess around, all right, when it comes to...
Starting point is 01:04:44 That is smart. When it comes to my Muslim brothers. Yes. So more or less, basically, you'll see the minor signs where it's like many of them have already happened. They will continue to happen. There will be moral decay and degeneracy. And, you know, talk about a lot of like tall buildings and sort of urbanization of the world. Again, it's all described in the Quran and the Hadith.
Starting point is 01:05:04 This is where things get a little wild. The first sign, again, is what they talk about, the Sufiani. So this will come as one of the earlier, you know, one of the earlier signs prior to the big events that are happening. this will basically be someone that will rule over Syria. They will murder those from the household of the prophet. Peace be upon them. And they will kill children and rip out the bellies of women. And then we will get the...
Starting point is 01:05:33 Turn them guts up. Basically. But then we're going to get the Mati, the Imam Mahdi. This is a great leader. The Mahadi is an excellent leader. This is someone that basically will bring peace amongst all the people in the world. This is a common opinion,
Starting point is 01:05:53 specifically above the Sunnis, that the Mahdi is an expected ruler that will be sent by God before the end times to reestablish righteousness. He is to be held from among the descendants of Muhammad Peace be upon him
Starting point is 01:06:06 through the daughter Fatima and her husband Ali and his physical characteristics include a broad forehead and a curved nose. Sounds like me a little bit. Could be you. He will eradicate injustice
Starting point is 01:06:18 and evil from the the world. And yeah, he's basically going to be a great man. Do people believe that the poor Syrian regime that you spoke about has occurred, given everything that's happened in that country? I don't know. And is that Syria, the Syria that we know today? It's hard to say because these are like concepts that get thrown around and changed.
Starting point is 01:06:41 Yeah. And nations sort of change over time. So I can't say specifically, but I imagine someone's probably worked on that. But I'm sure some people believe that like the assumption. Assad regime and the civil war and all that has happened and then a ruler, I wonder if that had anything to do with the civil war. We don't know. I don't know. You and I don't, but someone does. I'm sure someone's talked about it. Yeah. But all that to say, the Mahdi is a great guy. He basically comes and restores righteousness amongst the people of the world.
Starting point is 01:07:07 So this dude's going to come through. He's going to come through. But this is not all good news. Right around this time, we're going to start getting major signs that judgment days upon us. and probably the greatest of the signs is what's known as the Dajal. The Dijal is the Antichrist. The Dajal, again, from Muslims and non-Muslims alike, this is the greatest fitna that we will experience in our lifetime. The Dajal will be the greatest trial, and he will lead all people astray.
Starting point is 01:07:41 And this, again, kind of ties into all the different prophecies. He's described as being well-built. He's massive. He has a bulging eye and only able to see from his left eye. On his forehead or between his eyes are the letters K-F-R, the root for Kfir, meaning an unbeliever, which every Muslim will be able to read. He will come from a place in the east. In the east.
Starting point is 01:08:04 Some people speculate that he might be Russian. Yeah. Throughout history, people have to be. People have talked about them potentially being like Genghis Khan, from Mongols. There's been a lot of speculation as to who the Dajal is. Gow Ming. Could be him. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:08:18 I'll check his record. I think you can see out of both his eyes, though. Yeah. I think it counts. Not as much as you'd like. He's the false Messiah. He is the Muslim Antichrist, and he will be one of the first greater signs of the apocalypse.
Starting point is 01:08:35 And basically, as the world is, the world will start going bad after the Mahadi is here. The world will start falling apart. There would be droughts. There will be problems. And then the Dajal will save everyone. everyone will join his ranks. It's said that he will appease a starving masses,
Starting point is 01:08:53 Bedouins, Weavers, children of fornication, and specifically Jews, because they don't have a Messiah. They've been waiting for Messiah. So they believe that the Dajal will come and he will basically get all the Jews on his side because he will say, I am the Messiah. I am Issa. And they'll be like, oh my God.
Starting point is 01:09:14 We've been waiting for you. It took you so long. We've been waiting all this time. You schlepped over from heaven. Didn't even leave a note. This guy is a... So that's what they believe. They believe that it'll be the Jews initially,
Starting point is 01:09:29 but then the Christians will follow because the Christians are waiting for the return of the Messiah. And the Christians will go, oh my goodness, this is the Messiah. And so now many people on earth will be following the Dejol. And then finally the bros will be like, fuck it, let's ride.
Starting point is 01:09:43 The bros will probably join in. Yeah. Again, any Muslim that is listening, or even non-Muslims, if you are interested in rejecting the fitna, again, this will be a difficult time for Muslims. The Dijal will tempt them. He will be very seductive. He will be able to offer them many things. The people that follow him won't be starving, but many of the people that don't follow him, the true Muslims, that don't subscribe to the Dijal's deceit, they might have a difficult time.
Starting point is 01:10:05 This will be very challenging. But the best protection is learned the first 10 verses of the Surah al-Khaf. This is... Do you have them? I don't have them specifically, but basically, it is... is scripture from the Quran that will ward off the Dejol, and it will keep you pure and on your way. Okay.
Starting point is 01:10:23 Following Allah and not being tricked by the Dejal. Again, the Dejal. In reading about this where you're like, maybe I should know these verses? One million percent, and I looked into it. A lot of it was in Arabic, so I have to learn that. It's a little tough. But I did find an English translation, and I'm working on it.
Starting point is 01:10:37 Okay. I'm going to dial it in. Because I think it is good to know. Just in your back pocket. You see a guy with KFR in your forehead. You're like, all right, maybe I should. But again, you were assuming this is probably a metaphor, right? Like they're like that you think that I don't know because if a dude has shit written on his forehead
Starting point is 01:10:51 It'll be like okay This is relatively obvious to see here So this is a thing I have read the Bible growing up and I've much more versed in Understanding metaphor and non-metaphor of the Bible I don't know if Muslims necessarily would see this as Metaphorical in the same way They don't strike me as being Down to play super loose with it
Starting point is 01:11:12 Yeah I don't know Muslims if you're listening comment I mean tell me do you think it'll be literal or do you think it'll be kind of a metaphor? I don't know. My assumption is that I think it's pretty literal. They're like, no, no, no, he's going to be blind in one eye. He's going to have a bulging eye. Like, he's going to come from this specific land. It'll come from, like, I think it's very clear. The Quran says it. Allah inspired it. This is what it is. Yeah. That's the way I understand it. So the Dajal will go around and he's going to get the whole world on a side. He's going to travel the whole world entering every city. Again, entering every city is specific. This is not entering. He's conquering.
Starting point is 01:11:46 city except Mecca and Medina. Holy Spaces. The Jews and the Christians will follow him. So he's going to go to like Ontario, California? All over the world. All of it. He's going to go to every city. That's what it says. He's pulling up to
Starting point is 01:12:02 Albuquerque. This is the prophecy. Okay. His army will kill and conquer until they corner and they eventually get in front of the Mahadi. Remember, the great Imam. And a group of 5,000 Muslim fighters in Jerusalem. this is a very, very important point, okay? Because this, basically around this time,
Starting point is 01:12:23 is when we get the return of Christ, Issa bin Miriam, Issa being Jesus Christ. Which, again, Muslims don't believe that Christ was crucified. They believe that someone else was killed and that Christ actually just went straight to heaven that he was never killed. Which, again, is a distinction from Christianity.
Starting point is 01:12:39 Yeah. But they see Christ as a great prophet. So Muslims, again, they honor Christ and they see him as a great prophet, that spreads the word of a lot. It's so interesting to me that the Jewish people don't have one considering they tend to love a good prophet. Maybe there's no profit good enough. Uh-huh.
Starting point is 01:13:00 Maybe that's what it is. Yeah. They're wanting the greatest profit of all. Uh-huh. Yeah. So this is when we get the return of Christ as this whole battle is basically heating up. You have the de Jal leading his people. and then you have the Mahadi leading the devout Muslims and the good people
Starting point is 01:13:22 and they basically have a great showdown the second coming of Christ he will come and he will destroy every cross basically saying like you know Christianity is is whack don't you know that would be a wild turn of events imagine you come down you're like Jesus you're here and he's like what are you wearing what are you wearing bro take that off your neck
Starting point is 01:13:42 yeah no more dangle earrings for the fellows so that's again that's what that's what's foretold in the Quran they'll kill the pigs again saying like hey don't eat pigs you know we have to follow you know you're going to kill them yeah we have to follow laws of halal you don't have to kill them it says okay and he'll abolish the jizya tax um which i don't know exactly what this means but the jiz tax he'll basically reinforce that hey islam is the uh the one true faith yes and then isa abin meriam jesus will destroy destroy the Dajal just by looking upon them.
Starting point is 01:14:23 He will kill the Dajal, all of the warriors, and all of those people will be cast away. And then ultimately, the Medi and Jesus Christ will rule the earth. Jesus has still got a big role for them. Huge role. Yeah. Understated, I feel. I think if more Christians knew, you'd be like, oh, yeah. This is just episode three of the trilogy.
Starting point is 01:14:46 I mean, that's why there's so much in Islam that's like, you can tell it came last because their whole thing is like, just so you know, we're the one, real one. I know we're all talking about the same thing, but no, this is the one. Like, this is it.
Starting point is 01:15:00 I think of more, like, racist Christian Americans that are like, oh, these terrorists. Yeah. If they were just like, yo, you like Jesus also? Yeah.
Starting point is 01:15:09 Clear up a lot of confusion. They didn't realize we were fans of the same thing. Wait, you all, you know what I'm saying? It's like, funny how you like the same band. You're like, exactly, it's like, oh, wait.
Starting point is 01:15:17 Oh, it's like when fans of the police meet Sting fans. There you go. It's like, oh, I just, I like his newer stuff. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So I think, I think there's a lot of disagreements
Starting point is 01:15:29 that could be settled. Yeah. Some people disagree, again, within Islam. It is a broad thing. It is not a monolith. Some people dispute whether or not that Dajal is human, whether it is a manifestation of the devil,
Starting point is 01:15:40 or whether it is partially human and then imbued with the spirit of the devil, Satan. It's not really clear. clear and again there's some dispute but all that to say basically christ comes down starts wrecking house and then uh saves the world classic but it's not all over yet because there's a very important thing in islam known as the jajuj and the majoujouj what's up guys we're going to take a break really quick because it's 24 and it's time to talk about something important when you are seriously
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Starting point is 01:17:51 dot com slash gagnon or dial pound law pound 529 from your cell phone this is a paid advertisement now let's get back to the show after the short disclaimer the azjus and the majouge is a very famous and there's actually some reference to this in christianity as well which is actually quite interesting it's mentioned both in the bible and a version and also in the koran basically the The Yazooz and the Majjouge is known as the most fearsome, brutal, tribal killers that are going to lead a conquest on Earth. And I'm not exactly positive the timeline of how it all works, but I understand it to be after the Dijal or concurrently with the Dijal, the Jash and the Majjoujah will basically be released upon Earth. And it will be up to Christ, the Issa bin Miriam, to destroy both the Dajal and the Yazjus and the Majjus. basically as it goes
Starting point is 01:18:44 there was a great Muslim king dual carnan some people believe this to be Alexander the Great dual carnan meaning two horns so basically this is a king that had two horns on his head some people believe this is Alexander the great because the parts of land that Alexander was kind of controlling
Starting point is 01:19:00 kind of symbolized two horns so if you look at geographically it's like oh yeah this is the man of two horns the base of the man of two territories or maybe it was a literal garment that he wore that had two horns we can't say but dual carnan was a good man, he was a great Muslim leader, and basically he was going around the world, this is a long time ago, and he meets a group of people that
Starting point is 01:19:18 say, hey, we need help because there is this brutal, you know, tribal group that's killing everyone, they're murdering all of us, they're killing our women, and we need to do something about this. They do, quote, great mischief on earth. They're cannibals to varying degrees of height and breath,
Starting point is 01:19:34 and there's something that we need to do. So, Dule Karnan, being a fair and good king, decides to build a barrier. but he tells the local people he says this barrier will only be up as long as Allah permits so he builds the barrier out of copper and iron
Starting point is 01:19:50 and puts Yazuz and the Majjus behind this barrier now they're cast away their location is indescript but it's believed to be on earth somewhere that basically they are behind a wall where they're waiting to be released and this again is the most fearsome worst tribe worst group
Starting point is 01:20:06 worst killers you can imagine it said that basically at the end of times God, Allah, will dissolve this wall. He basically take down the wall and the Yazur and the Majuz and the Majjuj will be released and they will be plentiful.
Starting point is 01:20:20 There will be millions of them. It will be like insects is how it's described. They will descend down from the mountains and from all places. They'll drink from the river and from the lake of Tiberian. They'll drink the water. They'll drink it completely dry.
Starting point is 01:20:30 They're going to be so plentiful and they're going to go around the world and they're basically going to be on conquest, destroying, killing, and pillaging many people. They're extremely terrifying. And yeah, it's going to be like an apocelior. Aocalyptic war scenario where these two tribal groups, Yejus and the Majjush, are killing and destroying everybody.
Starting point is 01:20:48 Pretty crazy. So these two tribes are going to come fuck everybody out, basically? Exactly. Until basically Issa and the Mahdi are going to stop them. They're going to kill them all, and then they will preserve peace on earth by getting rid of both the Dajal and the Yazjus and Majjush. There's, again, dispute amongst Muslims, whether you're a Si or a Sunni, to say whether or not the Yazurz and the Majjoujouj are human or not.
Starting point is 01:21:14 Some people believe that, of course, they're human. They're just like us. They're made of flesh and bones. Some people believe that they're not. There's apparently a Hadith that says that God has created 1,200 species of the land, 1,200 species of the sea, 70 species of the children of Adam, and the people are the children of Adam except the Yazurzeg and the Majjus. Again, children of Adam being humans, but the Yazur and the Majjoujouj, not humans.
Starting point is 01:21:40 Again, this is disputed. Some people believe that they're completely of human origin. Regardless, they're destroyed by Issa, aka Jesus, and the Mahdi, and they restore relative peace on earth. Now, these are the major events of Muslim Judgment Day. Again, you have minor signs, you have a time of trouble. The Mahadi comes. You have the Dejal, the one-eyed Antichrist. Christ returns, destroys the Dejal with the help of the Mahdi.
Starting point is 01:22:09 and then they take out the Yazur and the Majjuj, and then we still have continuous major signs, some time goes on, and then we have Judgment Day. Now, the spice. Yes, the famous judgment day. Yeah. Again, there's going to be peace on earth
Starting point is 01:22:27 for this time before the judgment day. There'll be interesting, again, major signs. The sun will rise in the West. And then ultimately, again, according to what I've read, I'm not an expert, a peaceful death of all believers, from inhalation of a lethal breeze will come across them.
Starting point is 01:22:42 A trumpet will blast from the angel Gabriel signaling to destruction of earth. A second blast will then kill the death of anything that is still living. And then we will enter into the divine judgment. The resurrected will stand in a grand assembly. Each person's book of deeds
Starting point is 01:22:57 where every small and great thing is recorded will be read. Sounds like a mess. Yeah, it's like the dean. Can you imagine the line? Yeah, my goodness. I hope it goes quick. I think it will.
Starting point is 01:23:07 Yeah. But I'm not sure. Now, again, this is Judgment Day where all the people are then, you know, resurrected and they go through all of this. If you die now, I believe as a Muslim, and people can correct me if I'm wrong, I very well could be. If you die now, you don't go directly to heaven or hell. You basically, depending on what your impending situation will be, is like you're almost in like this liminal kind of limbo phase. I love how even in the spiritual realm we just put in layers of bureaucracy that sound horrible to go through. through. Well, it's not necessarily
Starting point is 01:23:41 who's running this? It's not necessarily horrible. Okay. So there's some people that are awaiting paradise with Allah. And those people will basically be looking at how great paradise is. They can't enter it just yet because they haven't been judged, but they can see how great it is. But the people that are awaiting hell will see that horrors and the atrocities of
Starting point is 01:23:57 hell. And that's what they will see. You're in a waiting room. Basically, that's how I understand it to be. I don't know how long you wait for though. Yeah. It might be quick. It might be a 10 minute little short film. I don't know. Yeah. Regardless, you die, this is what you see, and then you're in judgment day. Yep.
Starting point is 01:24:13 With all people. So again, you basically get your book of deeds read. Allah judges all people. He's there alongside the Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him. And you then will walk a bridge of Asserrat. I can't help, but I'm seeing all of this
Starting point is 01:24:29 very clearly, and everyone's getting judged, and I'm just envisioning very, like, very entitled American, you know, Christian people waiting in line to get judged and you know some Middle Eastern guys like yeah no you're not with it no oh come on I think it's like let me speak
Starting point is 01:24:45 to the manager I think it's like I'm not gonna fucking put up with this bullshit let me talk to who's really in charge I think it's like global entry I think like in this case I think Muslims will have global entry and then we'll all have to be in like the foreigner line but I pay for clear I don't know if they accept clear I don't know I have the AMX lounge
Starting point is 01:25:02 most of the people that run clear I think they're Hindu so I think they would also be in line with us so I don't know exactly how it goes That's just my experience with clear. Maybe that's why they don't believe in death. Because they're like, we're not going to do all that. Yeah, who's going to run? Who's going to run the fucking, who's going to run it, dude?
Starting point is 01:25:18 No, we just got to keep doing this again. Yeah. So that's judgment day. Basically, we have to cross the bridge. All the people that are then worthy of entering the heavenly abode will be able to cross, whereas the damned will go into the fire falling off the bridge into the pit of Jahanam. And that's not a good place. You don't want to be in hell.
Starting point is 01:25:36 I may have a limited perspective of how this work. But like if heaven is all just super religious people, I'm like, it doesn't sound that fun. It's not about funness in the way we see it on Earth, though, I will say again. This is just speaking from... But I'm about fun. But what is more fun than being in perfect communion with Allah or God or Hashem? Having a good time. It doesn't even compare.
Starting point is 01:25:57 Okay. I'm telling you right now, it doesn't even compare. Any fun that you have on earth is just by the mere virtue that God created you. Right, right. Perfect communion. And hell is just, it's like a... state of just perfection but yeah i guess so and hell again is not oh there's fire everywhere there is fire but again it's not the fires it's the isolation like even in moments where i have felt you know
Starting point is 01:26:21 touched by a piece of divinity there's more levity to it than the way it's described in all these books you know like if i've ever felt like in a moment of like a spiritual moment like it's it's a little more light and vibes than the way everyone describes it. Yeah, I mean, it might be. Yeah. I don't know. I've never been to judgment day, but I imagine there might be some funny stuff about it. Could be.
Starting point is 01:26:46 You know what I mean? Imagine just sitting in the line, like, he's going to hell. Look at those Birkenstocks. You know what I mean? That's got a hell for that outfit. Straight to hell. It ends up, that would be amazing because that would just only be gay people in heaven. People with the right outfits.
Starting point is 01:27:02 Like, Steve would? You got this wrong. Wait, what? Put it together. Now, let me say, according to what I've read about Islam, not everyone consigned to hell will remain there. It's believed by both scholars and lay Muslims. You're on good behavior.
Starting point is 01:27:17 All but the musrikin. Mushrikan. Those who have committed the worst sin of all, which is the impunity of Tawid. Again, my Arabic is not perfect, but the impunity of Tawid is the most unforgivable thing in Islam, as I understand. this is basically disputing the oneness of Allah.
Starting point is 01:27:37 So if you are someone that believes in the monotheism and the oneness of Allah, then you have a chance of being saved from the fires of hell and ultimately entering communion with the law. I'm open to that. That would be me. I'm open to that. I'm a monotheist. I believe in the God of Abraham as a Christian. That may be Allah.
Starting point is 01:27:55 It may be Hashem. It may be Jesus Christ himself. So we'll wait to see. But according to this, again, from what I have read, I might be wrong here. Yeah. I'm a free agent, so I'm just kind of shopping around. I'm two for two right now.
Starting point is 01:28:08 Let the record show. Oh, you're in on both? I could be. I'm just saying. I could be. Again, within Catholic tradition, we kind of have a similar thing where we have purgatory. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:28:18 Where you go to purgatory for a little bit, and then you pipe up to heaven. Yeah. I remain unconvinced by either of these potentialities. However, we got some more offers on the table. I am open to it. I'm not saying that I am the all-knowing. We got some more.
Starting point is 01:28:33 offers for you. You know, that would be... So, this is again what Muslims believe so I've understood and what I've read. Hey, not that anyone's wrong here. You're all... We're all good. Seem a little bit concerned. Hey, we're all good. Seem a little scared. I'm open
Starting point is 01:28:49 to anything. Oh. Convinced me lightly. Please. When's your next show in Minnesota? When is that coming up? Actually, we're going to do one out there in January, I think. Sisyphus brewing, Joeyabry.com for tickets. Joehaver.com slash live.
Starting point is 01:29:05 I know a couple Muslims that live out there. Maybe they can convince you. At jojave.com slash live for now. We'll see if you said anything terrible. I'm open. I'm open to it. So this is what I understand to be the tradition of the Muslims. If you're Muslim listening, if I ruined anything or if I completely botched something,
Starting point is 01:29:21 please correct me in the comments. Let me know. And I just want to apologize generally to everyone. Let's go on to another Abrahamic faith. I think the last and third. There might be more, but I believe it's only because. You know who it is. The one the only.
Starting point is 01:29:37 It's the ones we all know and love. CAA. Yes. Yes. It is the landlords, the brokers, the bankers. It is the Jews. Yes. What's up, Jews?
Starting point is 01:29:51 It's cracking. Some of y'all just probably click this part of the video to be like, let's see how bad they fuck this up. Let's see. The timestamps led them directly to us. You can have some fun with them, I feel like. Yeah. I mean, depending on which way you slice it. I know which way, yes, right on the tip of the dick.
Starting point is 01:30:05 Hey, we're brissing right now. Yeah. So the Jewish, as far as I understand. You're already speaking. I do, I do do that. That is a very funny thing. Because you have to understand. The way I learned all this is like I listen to like pastors and priests.
Starting point is 01:30:20 I listen to imams. Yeah. And depending on who taught it to me is how I speak. How many hours of research we talked and went into this? Maybe like five or six. I loved it. I really enjoyed it. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:30:30 But like the Muslims, they speak like, uh, You should be a teacher. I mean, you are. You're just teaching idiots like me. Don't whoever's. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Welcome to it. But I would listen to, like, rabbis and, like, they would speak in a specific way.
Starting point is 01:30:42 Or, like, I would listen to, like, these gurus, these, like, Hindu gurus. And the way they talk is just so funny. So we'll get in that portion, too. But you'll notice even my manner is when I speak. The light goes out. When I speak about Allah, when I speak about the adjusimajus. You did. You hit a lot of peace be upon him, I think, respectfully, and well placed.
Starting point is 01:30:59 I've got a pretty good job, I bet. Let's talk about the Jews. So Jewish end times, there's not a ton. I'm going to be honest. Yeah. Aside from the wrong order. That is the ultimate end time. It's cold.
Starting point is 01:31:15 My soup is cold. This is my Armageddon. Yeah. Basically, again, Jews follow a couple different books. So you have the Torah, which is the first five books of the Bible, Genesis, Excellus, Deutarchus, and Deuteronomy. These are the five. They also have the He.
Starting point is 01:31:32 Hebrew Bibles. These are books like Ezekiel, Jeremiah. Many Jews and rabbis will then research these and they'll take inspiration. Again, not believing that it's divinely inspired, but helpful things written by very smart Jews. And then you have things like the Talmud, which from my understanding, again, I could be wrong here. And again, there's very many subsets of Judaism that all can I believe in different things because, again, Judaism doesn't have one singular, you know, organized leadership of the religion. So there's very many subsets that. kind of believe varying things, but there's general broad strokes that we're going to talk about now. So much of what we understand about Jewish end times comes from Isaiah, Jeremiah, and Ezekiel.
Starting point is 01:32:14 And basically, here's more or less the order of things. God redeems the Jewish people from their captivity that began with the Babylonian exile. God returns the Jewish people to the land of Israel. God restores the kingly house of David and the third temple, the temple in Jerusalem. God appoints a regent from the house of David, which again, this is the Messiah, that will lead the Jewish people of the world and usher in the messianic age. This is characterized by justice, righteousness, and peace. All nations will then recognize that the God of Israel
Starting point is 01:32:45 is the one true God. God will resurrect the dead, and then he will create a new heaven and a new earth. It's sort of similar to the other stories that we've talked about. Yep. So, again, Jews don't have a Messiah. They're waiting for their Messiah to come.
Starting point is 01:32:59 So this is basically the biggest thing is the rebuilding of the Third Temple. So first two temples have gone down. You've heard of this before. No. So can I just, is it simplifying the Abrahamic religions, Jews come along and they're like, just so you know this is the one true God. Christians come along and go, all that, but just so you know, this is the one true Messiah, Islam comes around and goes, all that great, just so you know, this is the one true religion.
Starting point is 01:33:29 Plus, Muhammad, peace be upon. Sort of. I think that there's, again, some dispute whereas Muslims would look at Christ and say, you shouldn't worship Christ. There's some dispute. You shouldn't worship Christ. This is, again, just a great prophet.
Starting point is 01:33:40 He's just a homie who's going to be there at the end days shutting shit down. There you go. So it's like that. I worship that. Right. I can't be a fan. I'm a Warriors fan. I can't love Clay Thompson
Starting point is 01:33:50 just because Steph Curry's got the hot hand. What are we doing? Shout to Clay. He's on the Mavericks now, but he had a good career. I think it depends because I think if you were to ask, I think if you were asked Christians, they'd probably be like,
Starting point is 01:34:01 well, you know, the Jews, they got it pretty much right, but then they didn't see or, you know, on with the divinity of Christ. Right. And then Muslims would probably say, like, oh, yeah, the other two, they got it mostly right, but they didn't see the brilliance of ultimately Allah, but also his great prophet Muhammad peace be upon him. So I think they look at these things and they go, you kind of got some of it, but you could have been true followers of the one true faith, but you just stopped part way.
Starting point is 01:34:26 You got a mulligan. You know what I mean? You sort of goofed it. So I think that's how they would probably see it. Again, from an outside secular view, you're like, oh, these are just the godfather. Right. Yeah. This is just a great trilogy.
Starting point is 01:34:36 Yeah. Again, it's... And then you look at the new religions, and it's kind of like these new, like, animated, like, Star Wars movies or shit. It's like, come on, dude, what are we doing? Stop. Stop. Stop. So, what's interesting about some of these things, specifically within Judaism, there's one thing that I want to talk about.
Starting point is 01:34:54 Again, this is completely from a left field. This is just a conspiracy. Yeah. And this is known as Therrater. red heifer. The red heifer situation of this actually. This is fascinating. Yeah. So again, what Jews need to happen is they're going to rebuild the third temple. I don't
Starting point is 01:35:08 know exactly if all Jews need to return to Israel or if only some or if it's just upon the recreation of the third temple. I know that the third temple is the ultimate element of Judaism. Again, they had two temples before. They were both destroyed. And now
Starting point is 01:35:24 you have the wailing wall where you see obviously Jews go now to Jerusalem, it's sort of under you know, contested management. Sort of. There's a mosque that's built there, Al-Axa. And there's a wall there,
Starting point is 01:35:41 and it's basically the closest they can get to their sacred site, and that's where they pray, they put their prayers into the wall. That's part of the religion. The red heifer situation is very interesting. So, Jews want to build the third temple. Now, in order to build the third temple,
Starting point is 01:35:56 now again, they want to build it because they want to usher in this new messianic age and create a time where the Messiah can return or the Messiah can come for the first time. Takes a minute. Yeah. Especially have you been boozing? Haram. This is Haram.
Starting point is 01:36:13 You need to create specialized tools to create the temple. And you also need to purify the workers that are working on the temple. In order to do this, you have to take the ashes of a red heifer. Now, this is very interesting. they are going to sacrifice a red heifer or so it seems
Starting point is 01:36:30 and they're going to combine the ashes with all the prior red heifers that have been used to purify and build temples over the past 2000 or so years. And they have these ashes. They have the ashes because they discovered them in a Bedouin cave where they found the Dead Sea Scrolls. That must have been a day. An unbelievable day for archaeology.
Starting point is 01:36:49 I mean, they found thousands and thousands of scrolls that basically had perfect translations of the Bible, of the Torah, of the Hebrew Bible, as well as a bunch of other artifacts, such as these ashes. Yeah. I know a lot of people who've gotten fired up after finding
Starting point is 01:37:06 some rolled up paper and powder. It'll change your night. It'll change your night. I don't mean to skip ahead here, but someone was telling me about this, don't they believe they have found, like, at current, a farmer or some shit who has a red heifer. Again, this is the relationship
Starting point is 01:37:27 with evangelical America and the ushering in of the Messiah. So let's take a look. A lot of farmers out there's what I'm saying, dude. So again, they need to build on the Temple Mount. Right now on the Temple Mount is the Al-Oxom Mosque.
Starting point is 01:37:40 This is a sacred site from Muslims because this is the site that Muhammad ascended into heaven, peace be upon him. Now, again, there's some people specifically Jews that would say, oh, he didn't specifically go on this site. He actually had a dream
Starting point is 01:37:52 where he went on this site. Again, it's contested amongst their religions. I have no dog in it. One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church, shout out to the Pope. So again, this is where it gets a little crazy. Fast forward to today. That's the prophecy. There is an evangelical Christian group of farmers in Texas
Starting point is 01:38:09 that have recently contracted and delivered five red heifers. Now, these are not just regular heifers, okay? These are- The picks of these motherfuckers? Oh, yeah. I'll show you. I'd like to see. They must be perfect in their redness.
Starting point is 01:38:23 They have to be perfect red cows. Perfect in their redness. They can't have even two hairs of any other color that will disqualify it. Even the hooves have to be red. It has to be three or four years old. Older animals could be used, but it can't be any younger. It must be of an adult age. It can't have any type of internal or external defect or blemish.
Starting point is 01:38:46 And furthermore, it can't have been used for any type of physical labor. It can't even have a blanket placed on it. It can't even have a person lean on it. Pretty crazy. Damn. Apparently, these heifers have actually been delivered to Israel. Apparently, they're there. Again, my research here is a couple weeks old,
Starting point is 01:39:05 but apparently they're in Israel. And again, according to something that I've read, and I could be wrong here, there was an actual Hamas spokesperson, which I don't know what it, Schultz brought us up. He was like, what does it take to be a spokesperson for Hamas? I don't know.
Starting point is 01:39:19 a Hamas spokesperson said that on the 100th day of the war, he explained to people that they opened the war because the Jewish people are preparing to bring upon the end times. They're looking to take over the al-Aksa mosque, take over the temple mount and rebuild their third temple. Again, this is what he believes. Jews would contest this, and they would say this is just a bullshit conspiracy. We can also rebuild our third temple potentially in other places.
Starting point is 01:39:43 We can also rebuild our third temple on the same mount without having to destroy the mosque. We can live in harmony. Right. again it depends you talk to there's a lot of you know shenanigans going on with all these things
Starting point is 01:39:55 there's a lot of shenanigans going on stuff going on yeah they're getting they're getting all wild over there needless to say so that's a very interesting part of this where again these evangelical farmers were like oh we would love to help rebuild this third temple because then the messiah will
Starting point is 01:40:10 come and it's going to be Jesus and we're going to tell all y'all to suck it yeah so they have a dog in the fight where they're like let's bring on the messiah And the Jews are like, let's bring on the Messiah. And then the Muslims... On the off chance that this isn't correct. Okay.
Starting point is 01:40:27 It is the funniest thing of all time that everyone has dedicated their lives there. So there are farmers who are like, we got to get these red cattle so that we can bring on the end of times. And an entire state of people is like, we need these, bring us these cattle. And then a whole other group is like, we got to do this because they got the cattle and they're trying to pop off. and everyone's freaking out and it's, what if it's not true? That's a hilarious way to be. So again, they could all be tied together. We could all be true.
Starting point is 01:40:58 The Muslims believe the Messiah is going to come. Right. But he's going to be a false Messiah. He'll be the Dejal. The Jews will follow him. The Christians will follow him. And then we have to wait for the actual one. The funniest thing is like, in picturing any of this in the social media era,
Starting point is 01:41:17 where like we would all just like get used to it and be like oh my god did you see the Messiah came down the other day and be like the memes are unbelievable it's like when Trump got shot it took like four days for people to just move on and like we're moving on I'll be doing an episode of it
Starting point is 01:41:32 yeah I'll try to get him on the pod yeah like have that if the Messiah does one TikTok it's over but also if the Messiah is missing an eye and has KFR on his forehead I'm gonna be like I'm actually Muslim now Yeah.
Starting point is 01:41:47 Because this is a pretty weird little quinketing. That would be a pretty strong quinketing. They kind of nailed it. And that type of shit would play on TikTok. Oh, 100%. You know what I mean? Face tattoo? That's a hook right there.
Starting point is 01:41:58 I mean, I'll stop a scroll. Yeah. Jews have a very interesting idea of judgment day. Which again, we talked about all these other judgment days. We've seen Christianity. We've seen Islam. It's just when you go to dinner with your Jewish mother. I don't like her.
Starting point is 01:42:10 I don't think she's good for you. Judaism, the Day of Judgment Day, again, it's disputed. There's nothing that's very clear within Judaism as far as this goes. But again, Rosh Hashanah, which we all know and love, is more or less a day of judgment that happens every year for the Jews. They actually blow the shofar, which is a horn. It comes from the horn of a ram. And this is intended to, quote, wake the listeners from their slumbers
Starting point is 01:42:35 and alert them to the coming judgment. So this is the thing that happens every single year. So they're like, we don't really need a judgment day because we have judgment day every single year. It happens all the time within the Jewish tradition. And again, different rabbis will contest this and different subsets of Judaism will have their own traditions. Some say that there will be a resurrection of the dead. Others say that there's no need.
Starting point is 01:42:55 And it's not super clear. Other rabbis hold that the last judgment will only apply to Gentile nations, not for the Jewish people. The Jewish people are already chosen, so they don't need any type of judgment. What's interesting here is that the Jewish idea of hell is very fascinating. So it hasn't always been clear to me. And again, I've been researching this. I can't find an exact answer. I don't know if Jews always believed in hell.
Starting point is 01:43:18 And then they kind of adopted later a different version of hell. It's difficult to say. I think people probably... It's like how Hanukkah's more popping now just because Christmas is going on. Something like that. But the idea of hell amongst Jews that I've been reading about and different rabbis I've been reading about is a pretty interesting thing. So, Gehinum. Gehinum.
Starting point is 01:43:41 This is a thing that's talked about all the time in rabbis. literature. It was basically translated to hell, but it's really more of like a Christian idea of purgatory. So basically, they maintain that souls are not tortured in hell forever. The longest that one is said to be in hell is for 11 months. They're basically like purged of their wickedness. And this is with the exception of heretics and extremely sinful Jews. They might be in there for longer. But ultimately, all people can then be purified and eventually ascend into Gan Idon, which is the Garden of Eden. So even Hitler himself might be in heaven.
Starting point is 01:44:17 Well, that's a take. I think he might meet the exception threshold. I don't know how long he'll be in there. But apparently this applies to how Jews actually pray. So there is something known as like a mourning prayer for Jews. This is what's called it known as the mourners Kadish. And this is a Jewish prayer that they'll do for people that have passed away. But they don't do it for any longer than 11 months after death because they believe that at 11 months,
Starting point is 01:44:41 99% chance that you will be in the new Garden of Eden with Hashem. That's a nice vibe. Kind of nice, right? Yeah. And then furthermore, to be a righteous Gentile, so this would be people like us, these would be people that follow more or less the Noah Hyde laws. So again, there's no clear, like, exact substrata that all Jews necessarily follow. The closest thing that I could find, again, correct me if I'm wrong, is the Noah Hyde laws.
Starting point is 01:45:05 So these are laws that were basically given to Noah. And I think we're doing a pretty good job. Do not deny God That's one I don't deny God Do not murder Do not steal Do not engage in sexual immortality
Starting point is 01:45:22 What does that mean Do not blaspheting Is that what sexual immortality You mean immorality? Damn it Oh Damn it I prefer your version
Starting point is 01:45:43 I'm trying to achieve sexual immortality, dude. Sprang forever. Bricked till I die. And then some. Sexual immorality. When you said, what does that mean? I was like, how do you not know what that means? I know what it means. Or sexual immortality. Don't do that either.
Starting point is 01:46:03 Don't blaspheme. This is a nice one, actually. Do not eat of a live animal. So no flesh taken from an animal while it's still alive. Looking at you, Chinese. Oh, dude. Sometimes you'll go over there in China and they're eating like a frog that's half dead or something. Yeah, they do that. They do do that. I'm sure other people do it also.
Starting point is 01:46:25 Is there any sushi that's kind of alive? I don't know. Like if you're doing like an omicasse, they ever hit you with like a fucking... None that I've ever had. None that I've ever had. I don't think I've eaten anything that's alive. Which is a good rule because you don't really think about that. I'm just kidding.
Starting point is 01:46:39 That's a thing that I've never really thought about. I was like, yeah, you should kill things before you eat them. I don't think you should eat them all they're alive. That's fair. Like on a moral basis. Like sometimes you see these videos from like a Chinese wet market where people are like eating a frog that's still jumping and you're like, whoa. It's disgusting.
Starting point is 01:46:52 But there's no, it is disgusting to this, but I'm like, why? And I'm like, oh, I think it is a little bit of. Well, it feels cruel because then you feel like a living thing is getting digested. Exactly. It's like not a great vibe. Not that getting killed is fun. But there's, you know. I'd rather die than get eaten alive.
Starting point is 01:47:06 Correct. And then the last one. Establish courts and legal systems that ensure the obedience of these laws. So basically create a church or some type of temple court That people will then not steal or murder or deny God It seems lightly the most chill Right? You're kind of reading it, you're like wait no hell Follow these very basic rules
Starting point is 01:47:25 Yeah seems pretty good Yeah And again there's not a very clear idea of what heaven is But it's given to us here In rabbinic, Talmudic ideas of what heaven is The first compartment is Basically like heaven is in Jewish eschatology
Starting point is 01:47:45 is described by rabbis. And a lot of it is pretty great. So it's like, there's paradise and then there's this double gate made of, you know, carbuncle. I don't even know what that is. I think it's like... Simon's partner. It's a deep red
Starting point is 01:48:02 almedine gemstone. Apparently it's beautiful. Get that for your girl when you propose. I'm married, but yeah. It's guarded by 600,000 shining angels. Like apparently this heaven thing is beautiful. Again, not mentioned in the Torah, but described by these rabbis. This is the part that I noted that I thought was quite funny.
Starting point is 01:48:21 There's kind of like different compartments of heaven. There's a compartment for Jewish martyrs. The second is for those who drowned. Oh, wow. I don't know why. Matthew Perry. Shout out to the king. I think that's just them getting a place for black people.
Starting point is 01:48:39 All right. That's racial. That's... It's okay. That's too far. You want to talk about a wet market. That's too cool about having a dress code.
Starting point is 01:48:52 Yeah. They're like, I want to have a place for people who drowned. Yeah. That's fucked up. And then the third is for Raban,
Starting point is 01:49:00 Johann Ben Zekai and his disciples, which I feel like he must have... Just one of the digits like... He must have written this. That's like when like a famous person buys a brick outside of a stadium. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:49:10 One of the... The fourth is for those whom the cloud of glory carried off. The fifth is for penitence. The six is for... What's penitence? I think people that have paid penance. The six is for youths who have never sinned.
Starting point is 01:49:27 So I think it's for young children before the age of region that die. That seems like a good one. The seventh is for the poor who have lived decently and studied Torah. So again, I don't think most Jews follow this. It's just from a specific subset of what... Drowning is just so specific.
Starting point is 01:49:41 So specific. and out of left. And you got to look at it. I wonder. Is there like a parting the seas like a sort of time? I don't know. I don't know. I wonder if it was written at a time where like there might have been a flood or something.
Starting point is 01:49:52 Maybe. And they're like and it's kind of contextualized through that. I don't know exactly. Again, this is found within the Talmud, I believe. And again, I don't know if there's multiple Talmuds or if it's just one Talmud, Jews, correct me, educate me. I don't know. The guy who wrote it just owned a pool.
Starting point is 01:50:07 You know, like a raging waters and was like, it's fine. It doesn't matter if you go... You got an insurance thing. Yeah, you're chill no matter what. Yeah, they're like, this is going to be a fortune to insurer. You're like, dude, they're going to go to heaven. They're like, wait a second. It's actually fun.
Starting point is 01:50:21 The wave pool. That's more or less the idea of what happens on Jewish Judgment Day. Okay. Jewish Judgment Day is probably the chillest of the three. Yeah, and again, but they're all, they're all like these three are not surprisingly connected because they're all working off the same source material. Exactly. You know.
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Starting point is 01:52:29 Hinduism. Okay. I don't know anything about Hinduism. I'm not either, aside from that they don't like eating cows. There you go. Yeah. Which is very different than Abrahamic religions, we love cows.
Starting point is 01:52:42 We like eating them. We eat them all the time. Yes, we do. So Hinduism is very interesting. So you got to think, judgment day in Hinduism, what does that even look like? If you're not going to die.
Starting point is 01:52:52 Think about it, right? All of a sudden, everything that we understand about Abrahamic monotheistic religions kind of falls apart once you think about it. That's right. They've got a bunch of gods. Crazy.
Starting point is 01:53:01 With a bunch of arms. Think about it, dude. So the whole thing gets wild. And Hindus, very beautifully, actually, I have a ton of respect for how the Hindu faith understands cosmology, time, and space. I think this is a thing that the Hindus
Starting point is 01:53:15 nailed from a long time ago. Apparently, the Hindu word for geography basically literally translates from like Sanskrit to mean round earth. And this is thousands of years old. Some say that Hinduism, with the exception of maybe Zoroastrianism, is like one of the oldest faiths. So predating, you know, Islam, predating Christianity.
Starting point is 01:53:35 Again, I'm sure people probably dispute this, but this is just kind of from the casual research. that I've done. Again, Hinduism is not one singular monolithic thing. There's very many subsets. People believe different things within it. Janeism is a part of it. There's a ton of different types of subsets of Hinduism. Not all Hindus believe the same exact thing. Some people would even say, according to one of my Hindu friends that I spoke with, Hinduism isn't even necessarily religion. It is a collection of ideas and philosophies that lead people to live their best, most enlightened life. It's a good pitch. Right? So it's like that. So it's like, so,
Starting point is 01:54:09 I don't even know if there's a specific one way to do Hinduism. I think it could just be a collection of ideas that then inform people to live their Darmic duty, which we will discuss and get into. I would just kind of like to start by talking about different texts that Hindus use to kind of inform their faith. Again, for anyone that's not familiar, I'm sure most people are, Hinduism is very common in India. This is where you get the name India.
Starting point is 01:54:34 You kind of have the Hindu stand, you have the Indus River Valley, that you kind of switch around some letters and you get the Hindus that are of this place. It is synonymous with the landmass of Southeast Asia. And these days it's also become a huge part of the politics with like Hindu nationalism and the, you know. Beyond. It is a major part. What Hindus typically, again, there's no specific which way, but generally speaking when you talk about texts that Hindus are going to read, some of the biggest things that you might be aware of are like the Vedic text, the Mahabharata.
Starting point is 01:55:06 So the Mahabharata is, again, Maha meaning great, barata, my cheese. Yes, it is Brata. Great Indian tale or great Indian story. This is the longest poem ever written. It's thousands of pages. It's like unthinkably long. You've heard of the Bhagvang Gita? Yes, I have.
Starting point is 01:55:27 I have a copy. It's within the Mahabharata. Holy fuck. That's how long this story is that one of the greatest epic poems is of a, The subset is the last tale of this greater thing, which again, these things all sort of inform what it means to be Hindu and sort of tells tales and stories and lore about the different gods that Hindus honor and worship. Another one is Ramayana, which is another text that very many people are familiar with. The Vedic text, the Vedas, is a very common thing. And then the one that we're mostly going to be talking about when it comes to end times is what's known as the Purana or the Puranas.
Starting point is 01:56:05 and there's very many types of Puranas. They come a little bit later in the timeline from some of these Vedic texts. So I just want to start with time. I think this would actually be a helpful way to contextualize what we're talking about because the way that Hindus look at time is very different than how Abrahamic religions look at time. Is that why they're always late? IST. That's what it is, dude.
Starting point is 01:56:26 India's standard time. You know what I'm saying? The time is different for them. It's fine. So this is a guy, by the way, I just want to point out when listening to a lot of these gurus, I've listened to very many of them. I've researched now. I have a ton of respect for them.
Starting point is 01:56:38 This guy happens to have what's known as an Indian accent. Okay. Okay. I was going to say, is that his name? We're going to put the camera on you, okay? And just out of respect for him and his religion and his faith, I would like you to not smile or laugh. Okay. Don't set it up like that.
Starting point is 01:56:53 That's unfair. No, well, I just want to be respectful for the billions of people, the 1.4 billion people that currently live in India and the probably billion of people that actually agree with this man and study. Hinduism and respected as their main faith. So just be respectful while we hear about Hindu's understanding of time. You're gonna get your mind blown in 90 seconds by understanding how Hinduism views and measures time. Here's the tea.
Starting point is 01:57:19 Firstly, instead of taking seconds, we have gone even more microscopic and our smallest units of time are called Paramano or Triti. Our day in our lives is called a tithi and 15 tithes make a pukshar. It's a 4-9. Stop, dude.
Starting point is 01:57:33 No, keep going, I'm sorry, I'm listening. Can you stop? And just be respectful. I am being respectful of the Gen Z God Fortnite. It was funny that he said. 15 titties is crazy, dude. 15, someone's got cancer. That's okay.
Starting point is 01:57:47 Respect and love. Titties is guy. 15 tithes, I like this guy. Titties was a little funny. Yeah. Now, he's going to say something here in a sec. He's going to say something known as a yug. This is spelled YUGA.
Starting point is 01:57:59 This is important for our discussion. So just clock it when he says. All right. That's the one you got to hold on to. Any such fuchs make masses? which are month which eventually make a worship a year. 4,000 such years are called a Kaliyoga which is where we're right now and there are three more yugas which are much longer multiples of this Kalioka
Starting point is 01:58:15 yoga called as the Dwapara yoga, the Tretayuga and the Satya yoga. These four yugas together make a Mahayuga or a Chatur yoga and 71 such Mahiogas make a manvang ruled by one guy named as Manu who's the first being of that particular phase in time. 14 Manvantras make one day in the life of a Brahma who's the architect of a unit and one Brahma lives for 100 Brahma years, which is inconceivable for us. Interestingly, the life of one Brahma is contained in the breath of a Mahavishnu who when he inhales and exhales creates and destroys thousands of multiverses. And this lifespan of a mega universe is 311,040 trillion human years.
Starting point is 01:58:54 Basically, we figured out that time is cyclical long before anybody else and this time dimension is something we call Shiv. So if you want to know more about it, hit that follow button. That shit makes so much more sense to me than so many other religions. Crazy, right? Like, because I remember having this experience one time where I was having a sturdy little acid trip. I was on acid at the time. This is how it happens. And it was like...
Starting point is 01:59:18 And we're all the Beatles. Everyone's the Beatles. No, it was like I felt like I was part of this big being that was like running. And it was like I was a part of the earth and the earth was part of the universe and the universe was all part of this one larger being. that also was like the shape of a human that was in a part of another thing and that it was just like stacking of all these different levels of multitudes, which I think is what he was saying after we got to the titty part. So that's basically the basis of... And I knew none of that going into this ascent trip. But now you do.
Starting point is 01:59:52 Yeah. So this is again the basis for understanding Hindu time. So the way that they interpret time is very specific. And one of the things that he mentioned that I think is important to consider is what's known as. as a yug. So it's spelled yuga, I think in plural it's yugas, and then if you're just speaking about one,
Starting point is 02:00:09 it's yuk. So there's something known as a Chatur Yuga, and this is 4.3 million years. Basically, the way that Hindus understand time and the universe to work is that every subsequent yug decreases by one-fourth. So they love math. Yeah.
Starting point is 02:00:25 That I know, brother. Love math. Satu Yug, this is 1.7 million years. Threatta yug, this is 1.2 million years. The Vapar Yug, this is 800,000 years, and then the Kali Yug. Now, each one of these Yugs basically descends into moral degeneracy. Things get worse and worse and worse as time goes on. Can you guess which Yug we're in now?
Starting point is 02:00:50 Are we in the Kali Yug? We're in the Kali Yuc. So they're saying this is like the worst of times. Of the Yucs smashing and being mean. Again, the way that they describe it is we're in the time of the Caliuch. Now, this is named after not the goddess Cali, but the demon Cali. So this is kind of all started when Krishna left Earth at 31,000 BC. Each person has seen a progressive decline in morality to the point that in the Cali Yuga, in the Cali Yuga, people are quarreling in hypocrisy as the norm.
Starting point is 02:01:29 This is cyclical. So again, each Galpa is 4.3 billion years. And ultimately, as the Ux kind of progress, things get more and more degenerate. So hypocrisy definitely is the norm. I just always, when you have like some understanding of history, it's hard to be like, this is the most immoral people have been. Because there are times when people thought they were being, like, the most high-minded, you know, period of Americans thinking they were moral, including.
Starting point is 02:02:00 fucking slavery, which is the most immoral thing that you could do. But just remember this yug is for 400,000 years. Right. So they're saying that we've been in this fan is for a long time. Okay, so just back in the day day, like pre-writing, people were just hell of chill. So we don't know exactly
Starting point is 02:02:16 where we are in the yuk. We just know that it's 400,000 years long. Yeah. So we might be in the middle of it. It might be somewhat close. We can't say for certain. But again, what we can say is that for this time, as it's told, in the Vishnu Parana.
Starting point is 02:02:31 This is the piranha about Vishnu, written 100 BC. Social status depends not in your accomplishments, but on the ownership of property. Wealth is now the source of virtue. Passion and luxury are the sole bonds between spouses, falsity, lying, are the conditions of success in life.
Starting point is 02:02:46 Sexuality is the sole source of human enjoyment. Religion and superficial and empty ritual is confused with spirituality. From the Vishnu Purana, written 100,000. It's not nothing. A thousand BC, or 100 BC. Yeah, I mean, that's the,
Starting point is 02:03:00 and description. So, basically, we will see that there is an infliction of death upon women and children, and rulers will rise and fall from power quickly. Undisciplined barbarians will receive the support of rulers, and will be in a time of disarray. And then we have the calchi. The calque is a fascinating figure in Hindu religion. So at this time of evil, there's no more Dharma on earth.
Starting point is 02:03:29 Again, Dharma is basically our duty as people. This is what each person individually is on the path to do. So a lion's Dharma is to go rule the pride, to support its family, to eat, to reproduce. The human's Dharma is, again, to live a pious life, to follow the rules of the Brahma, to read the Vedas, and to do whatever it is in your personal life that is most important that then brings the most peace and prosperity amongst the people on earth. Is how I understand it. There will be a time when there is no more Dharma.
Starting point is 02:03:57 people are not living their Darmic duty and basically the world is in disarray and then we will have the Kalki this is the 10th in final incarnation of Vishnu known as the Kalki that will appear on a white horse he will amass an army of those few but pious souls remaining these together with all the incarnations
Starting point is 02:04:18 of the godheads all the avatars which have appeared throughout human history will destroy all the evil spirits and sins of the world at the end basically all the sons will then come around the earth Calke will amass an army to establish righteousness and they will basically leave the minds of the people quote as pure as crystal
Starting point is 02:04:39 those left transformed by virtue will be the new seeds for a higher form of humanity and humanity will then begin again entering back into the first yug the Satya yug which will last 1.7 billion years So much as you continuously are reincarnated humanity goes through its own life cycle. Nothing is constant.
Starting point is 02:05:00 There is no stagnation. There is just death and rebirth. So as all people, again, are on this wandering phase, attempting to achieve nirvana by going through their basically carmic deeds. They're good and bad things that they do. The universe is effectively doing the same thing. And we go from the Kaliug, which is bad, back to the Satyug, which is good. And then we have a slow decay of the universe once again.
Starting point is 02:05:23 Damn. Wild, right? Yeah. It makes sense to me. I mean, I don't know that it's right, right? But if we're shopping around right now, I'm like, I see the, I see the trend. I see what they're getting at. All things are going through death and rebirth.
Starting point is 02:05:37 That's all it is. So overall, in the Hindu Sanathana Dharma, shows us that each person based on his or her free will, if pursuing a life of proper Dharma, again, one's true purpose, can alter his or her current life and influence the future destiny of their life. Our karma is our actions and deeds on earth, which will basically decide our future destiny. We hope to live as Darmic of a life as possible and to essentially attain nirvana, also known as Moksha, also known as Mukti. And this is a state of no more births where they essentially merge with the universe, with God, with Brahma, and with infinity. We ultimately can escape what's known as, excuse me, we'll ultimately escape what is known as samsara. This is known as the Sanskrit word for wandering.
Starting point is 02:06:20 This is the cycle of birth, death, and rebirth that people colloquially call reincarnation. It's insane. I have a friend who works at a tech company called SimSara, which is a wild name for a company that sells software to help salespeople or whatever they do. It's a little deep, right? Yeah, it's also kind of dark. It's a dark connotation. Well, more or less. Again, I think we're ascribing a moralism to this idea of wandering, which I don't think it necessarily is the case. I just think it is such that all things are basically going through these cycles, attempting to achieve nirvana, and then ultimately once you're, you do and once you have Mukti, then you are now out of the cycle of samsara. I see. I see. But many people might go through samsara for many, many, many, many, many,
Starting point is 02:06:59 many, many, many, you. Have you read the book, uh, Siddhartha by Herman Hess? Oh, I love it. It's one of my favorite books. And it starts with a guy who's, he's a Brahman. And his, like, whole thing is he's trying to achieve Nirvana through doing all the things that you're supposed to as someone who follows that tradition. When you say Brahmin, you mean like a high priestly cast? Yes, exactly. And, and, then yeah he's the son of a brahman then he becomes a i forget the name of the cast but it's like these people who like wander the forest and they like that that's a whole group then he goes and he tries to become a buddhist then he says oh screw all this and he becomes like rich he becomes a merchant and he learns from having sex and getting drunk and doing all these things and then he goes you know
Starting point is 02:07:43 what screw that and then he goes and he lives and he just lives with one guy and he learns from the river. And then what he realizes is that I've been focused on trying to achieve Nirvana by following a series of different dogmas. And actually, I needed to learn from every single thing all at once and not just follow teachers or teachings, but live all these things. And it's my cumulative experience that has actually helped me get to Nirvana. It's a good book. And it's short. That's nice. Yeah. I like short. Yeah. I mean, that sounds awesome. I would read that. It's great. It really does make sense, though. Once you understand the cyclical nature of within Hinduism, then you can't really base Hinduism based off the time that we use.
Starting point is 02:08:22 Like, they're looking at things in terms of like millennia and millennia and then like Brahma lives and then the Brahma ultimately is then gone because he's living within the breath of a Vishnu. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, it's refreshing to this is why this is really cool learning from about all these different religions at once. It's kind of refreshing because you get stuck in this one way of thinking about things and then you're like, oh, we weren't even doing time on this scale. Completely different. We weren't even doing multivision. We weren't even doing multivision versus on this scale. What is interesting is, again, we have the same idea of a Messiah, the Kalki, that comes back.
Starting point is 02:08:53 Yeah. What's interesting also is that the Kalki is an iteration. A white horse in 2024 is crazy, though. Some dudes like, I'm here to lead you on a horse. You're like, stop. He's also potentially blue. He's potentially blue. Olympics?
Starting point is 02:09:07 Yeah, I'd be there. That little Olympic twing. So Vishnu, if I understand correctly, is always depicted as blue because in one of the Vedic text he's described as being of the sky. So they describe him as being of the sky and the sea. And so some people are like, oh, maybe he's white like a cloud. And other people are like, maybe he's blue,
Starting point is 02:09:27 like the sea and the sky. So that's why he's always depicted as blue. So if you ever look at Indian art and you see a blue god, you can trust that's Vishnu or a different iteration of Vishnu's avatar, like Rama or like you know, uh, galki. Okay. Pretty interesting. Yeah, it is.
Starting point is 02:09:45 So again, this is again, cyclical nature of how Hindus understand time, which to me, I find very, very fascinating. You can't really understand Hinduism without understanding how they look at time, in my opinion. Yeah. A lot of respect. I actually learned a lot, and I was like, oh, this is very, very interesting. Yeah. Now, the last...
Starting point is 02:10:04 Will you hand me one more beer? I would love to. Uh-huh. The last faith. The final faith that we're going to discuss, which again, there's a lot of faiths. We could look at Scientology, but I'm also terrified of them. which also Scientology stuff wasn't that crazy. Mormonism.
Starting point is 02:10:20 What interesting thing about Mormonism is the church of Latter-day Saints. Yeah. These are people that believe we are in the latter days. Kind of cool. Makes sense. So baked into the faith is sort of this idea of end times. But nothing like that crazy. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 02:10:36 It's not like that wild. Right. But there is a part of them that I think that goes to like a celestial body with God. Or basically you're on like a different celestial. celestial plane. Yeah. But also after you read all this stuff, you're like, that's not that crazy. Like Christians, like, evangelicals, like, to look at Mormonism and they're like, these guys are
Starting point is 02:10:52 crazy. It's hard to go, no, this dragon is correct, and then be like, but you think that? That's what I'm saying, dude, just live a holy pious life. Again, when we talked about monotheism before. It's where, like, learning from all of it and then boiling it down to like what actually makes sense.
Starting point is 02:11:08 And I'm just like doing shroom some times and showing with the boys. Viving. Being a good person. It's where it all. comes down to it a shot living in the moment so maybe you'll like this one i might buddism yeah Buddhism is a big one so this is again i include in the top five because a huge portion of china is obviously buddhist i didn't know what the difference is between buddhism and hinduism were this is kind of lost on me i was like this is i don't know what it is and again i still don't really know i'm not a scholar in eastern religions if you're interested in getting a real
Starting point is 02:11:39 answer i recommend you chad shi pt it or look it up yourself i don't know What I understand is that one of the main differences is that Hinduism is a belief amongst gods. It's a polytheistic religion. So they actually have what's known almost as like a trinity, which is actually quite interesting. So you have the Brahma, which is the creator. And then you have Vishnu, which is the preserver. This is, again, the avatar of talcchi that we're talking about comes from Vishnu. This is a preserver.
Starting point is 02:12:06 And then you have Shiva, which is the destroyer. And again, all these things sort of work and balance. So you have the creator, you have the destroyer. then you have the preserver, which then, you know, helps things on its way. But again, nothing is perfectly stagnant. It is in a constant cycle. Pretty interesting. Buddhism doesn't necessarily have one central godhead at the core of its faith.
Starting point is 02:12:25 So it doesn't really believe that there is one God necessarily, believes in a universal oneness of all things that are connected, and that we are a part of this greater message of what it means to be divine. It's how I understand it. Again, I may be wrong. but that's like one of the main points of contention is the monotheistic thing
Starting point is 02:12:47 whereas again the Buddhist tradition is not it's not as God centric it's not monotheistic it's not polyseistic it's what they would consider monist or monistic which again is this idea that you know God is the whole thing and that we're all part of the universe
Starting point is 02:13:03 and we're a part of God and again I understand that Hindus believe that God resides within us that we are also God so again I might not be getting this perfect but I do understand that Hinduism and Buddhism have major distinctions. Yep. So, let's go on. We're talking again about eschatology. This is the end times of all the faiths.
Starting point is 02:13:23 So Buddhism believes in cycles in which lifespans of human beings change according to human nature. So according to the Buddha, this is what is prophesied, is that, again, our society will begin to decay, will have erosion in what's a text known as the, Kakavita Suta, the Buddha explains the relationship between life and the behavior of human beings. Basically, he says that unskilled behavior was unknown among the human race. So, as a result, people back in the day lived immensely long times.
Starting point is 02:13:55 80,000 years some people would live. But there's a time in the future where people won't live very long. And time spans of life will slowly decrease until eventually some people are only living 10 years. And they'll reach sexual maturity at five years old. Jesus. What? I mean, that's wild. Wait, why?
Starting point is 02:14:17 That's wild. What is your point? You're the Catholic. Whoa, whoa, too. Hey, hey. Are you trying to... No, no, no, no, no. Are you?
Starting point is 02:14:26 Of course not. This is the generosity of humankind. It's not good. I like it. I wish it was later. I remember getting bricked very young. I wish it was later. Yeah, I agree.
Starting point is 02:14:36 I wish we would go back to time spans being 80,000 years, and people have reached sexual maturity at a young age of 20,000 years. I would love that. 20,000 years to just focus on your grind and not even have to spray. Exactly.
Starting point is 02:14:48 That would be awesome. Don't even get bricky until like 10,000 years. That would be sick. 10,000 years old. 10,000 years to set up my drop shipping business? Think about it. Yeah. If you're a loser in 80,000 years of time,
Starting point is 02:14:59 you're a free loser. You're a fucking idiot. So time is slowly going to decay. People are going to get worse off. Dharma will no longer exist on Earth. And we will have basically a Messiah. Again, I don't want to call it that
Starting point is 02:15:13 because that's not what they call it within this faith, but that's how we can understand as people that grew up in the West that are more familiar with Abrahamic traditions. And this is a Buddha, this is a new Buddha. I remember, the Buddha that we all talk about. New Buddha goofing. That we all know in love.
Starting point is 02:15:27 Yeah. That's the OG Buddha. This is what's known as the Matria. This is the new Buddha. So basically, the Buddha describes that his teachings will dissolve, and they'll disappear within 5,000 years of his passing. So that'll come around 4,600 AD.
Starting point is 02:15:48 At this time, the knowledge of Dharma will be lost. The last of his relics will be gathered and cremated, and there will be no one in the new era that will be doing their Darmic duty. This will then be the era that the Buddha matria will come on, matria. The Buddha matria will come on. In this period, prior to the matriah, there will be greed,
Starting point is 02:16:10 Poverty ill will violence murder impiety physical weakness sexual depravity and social collapse and even the Buddha himself will be forgotten But then we will have a golden age The matria is then foretold to be born into the city of Ketumati this is in present-day Benares this is in Uttoprodesh in India Basically people will then worship this Buddha and they will come to become a follower I shouldn't say worship I don't know if they worship the Buddha I think they will become a follower of the word wisdom of the Buddha. Yeah, they're more into following, I feel like. At this time, he will teach humanity the ten virtuous deeds. Pretty good. Sounds like a Ten Commandment situation. The ten
Starting point is 02:16:52 virtuous and non-virtuous deeds are perfect, basically inversions of each other, foils of each other. So the non-virtuous deeds would be killing, stealing, sexual misconduct, lying, divisive speech, abusive speech, idle speech, covetous, harmful intent, covetousness, harmful intent and wrong views. Last one's a little vague, but we'll roll with it. The virtuous deeds are basically the exact inverse of this. So if killing is obviously bad, then protecting those that are attempted to be killed
Starting point is 02:17:22 or not killing would then be seen as virtuous. This is then what will be brought upon by this new Messiah-type figure. According to the cons, which is a Buddhist scripture, the Lord replied, Matria, the best of men, will then leave the Tuscita heavens
Starting point is 02:17:43 and go for his last rebirth. As soon as he is born, he will walk up seven steps where he puts down his feet. A jewel or a lotus will spring up. He will raise his eyes to the ten directions and will speak these words. This is my last birth. There will be no rebirth after this one.
Starting point is 02:17:59 Never will I come back here, but all pure. I shall win nirvana. This is the last Buddha. This is the last one that will come and basically save human. humanity. Basically reciting, he's currently reciting in Tushita, which is basically like a heaven of sorts that Buddhists believe. There's multiple different kind of places. And that's where this
Starting point is 02:18:21 new Buddha will basically be. This new Buddha will achieve complete enlightenment, will follow reawakening, and it will bring back the timeless teaching of Dharma to this plane. So it's not like a judgment day situation. It's not like, hey, people who don't get it are getting banished to or whatever, it's more like, hey, this is it. I'm achieving nirvana. What's interesting is that, again, Buddhists still have the same exact idea of samara, samsara, samsara, where there is a wandering. So they do believe in sort of this idea of reincarnation, but it's not exactly the same way
Starting point is 02:18:59 that Hindus believe it, which is really interesting. So there is a judgment day in Buddhism. There is an apocalypse, which is quite interesting. Ultimately, the Buddha describes the fate of the, world in an apocalypse that will be characterized by the consequent appearance of seven sons in the sky this is known as the sermon of seven sons each is causing progressive ruin until the earth is destroyed so excuse me this is from a buddhist scripture all things are impermanent all aspects of existence are unstable and non-eternal beings will become so weary and disgusted with the constituent
Starting point is 02:19:33 things that they will seek emancipation from them more quickly there will come a season o monks when After a hundred or a thousand years, rains will cease, all seedlings, all vegetation, all plants, grasses, and trees will dry up and cease to be. There comes another season after a great lapse of time where a second sun will appear. Now all brooks and ponds will dry up, vanish, and cease to be. Basically goes on through the canon that each progressive sun will then do another great calamity. This is again similar to Revelation where we see the different bowls. I was going to say new suns, rains and droughts. It's interesting.
Starting point is 02:20:07 and each new thing, which again seven is a very common number that we see in Christianity that we see in Judaism. I mean, we see it all over. Seven suns will come up. The third sun dries up the Ganges. The fourth will dry up the Great Lakes.
Starting point is 02:20:20 The fifth will drive up the oceans. And then finally the final suns will appear. The sixth sun will bake the earth even as a pot is baked by a potter. All the mountains will wreak and send up clouds of smoke. And then the seventh sun will appear and set the earth ablaze with fire until it becomes one mass.
Starting point is 02:20:37 of flame. The mountains will be consumed. A spark will be carried into the winds and go to the word, the worlds of the gods. Thus, monks, all things will burn, perish, and exist no more except those who have seen the path. The sermon basically consumes the planet getting engulfed by an inferno.
Starting point is 02:20:55 Except for those who see the path. Precisely. But from what I understand, I think that it's possible. And again, I'm not... Big if you're not in our club, your screwed vibe for everybody. But I don't know if it's finite. this is what I'm not sure about. So Buddhist reincarnation is interesting
Starting point is 02:21:09 because you basically go up and down a ladder. And it seems like Hinduism has versions of this. Again, I'm a little bit out of school right now. I don't know exactly the difference, but this is just based off of my brief reading here. Buddhist reincarnation kind of goes through different steps of a ladder. So at the bottom, you have hell. So Buddhists actually have hell,
Starting point is 02:21:29 whereas I think Hindus kind of, we exist ultimately in this plane of existence, and there's many multiverses. Whereas Buddhist, we exist on this plane, but we also exist in a spiritual plane. And depending on where you are in your sort of carmic debt, you kind of move up and down
Starting point is 02:21:46 from this plane to a heavenly plane to a hellish plane. Whereas in Hinduism... It can happen while you're living and suffering is life is the other Buddhist thing. Exactly. But within Hinduism,
Starting point is 02:21:59 I don't think that's the case. I think in Hinduism... In Hinduism, I think you're basically looking at one specific plane of existence within a series of multiverses, but you're going to bounce in and out of different multiverses of different spaces all within the time span that you're alive.
Starting point is 02:22:15 So look at it this way. Buddhist reincarnation, you have hell at the bottom. This is if you've lived an unjust life. You haven't been pursuing your Dharma. Your karma is bad. You could descend into hell. But then, after a time span in hell is undisclosed, you could become an animal.
Starting point is 02:22:32 Again, on Earth, maybe in this plane or in a multidimensional plane. And then you become a ghost. This is, again, described in Buddhism known as a gaki. And then you become a fighting spirit. This is, again, a spirit that I think is doing, like, work and putting yourself in danger in the spiritual realm. This is known as Ashura.
Starting point is 02:22:49 And then you become a human being. And then you can become a heavenly being. Heavenly being is at the top. And I think you can kind of move up and down this ladder. And I think that is another major issue, or a major piece that makes Buddhism specifically different from Hinduism. So at the end of this time, time where there's this apocalypse and this earth is destroyed, I don't know if there's now a
Starting point is 02:23:09 multiverse or different earths that then we will populate as human beings, or if we then will just go from heavenly beings to fighting spirits to ghosts to hell and then we'll just exist in a spiritual realm kind of going up and down that ladder. I'm not sure exactly. If there's any Buddhists listening, I'd love to know. Let us know. Yeah, all the Buddhists on YouTube hanging. I think that the other thing is, as we discussed, there's also the secular science Which probably also includes a hot sun drying a bunch of things up and everyone being punished for their sins Which in this case would be things that led to Global warming or whatever and this is where it's so interesting because all of these things are written
Starting point is 02:23:52 Way way way way way earlier. Yeah and they're saying that the sun heats up the earth and we all die Yeah, I mean that's pretty spooky and that we're all fucking and shit and we're all immoral and we We are. Which is completely true, or that Muhammad, praise be upon him, says that people are competing over big buildings. I mean, there's just a lot of prophecies from a lot of different religions that make you kind of sit there and go, huh, they got... That's not nothing.
Starting point is 02:24:17 They got, but again. Maybe they got lucky, or maybe... But so did the Simpsons. There's something going on. Who knows? So did the Simpsons as well. Sometimes... But maybe they know something.
Starting point is 02:24:26 Sometimes science fiction and sometimes fiction. I'm not saying it's all fiction. Peace be upon everyone. Is also prophetic because... the human brain is capable of insight into potential futures. And it doesn't mean that they're necessarily correct or not, but you can deduce possibilities based on the artistic process of envisioning what could happen.
Starting point is 02:24:53 Also possible. And it's possible that they all happen. Maybe a Messiah comes, tricks the Jews and the Christians. If the Messiah comes down and you're having a fap, you're like, oh, geez. I'm so embarrassed. God damn it, dude. Well, that's going to happen.
Starting point is 02:25:07 Hey, you guys are right. Hey, y'all right. And then maybe the Dejal is killed. Yeah. All the Christians and Jews go, oh, wait a second. We're actually waiting for the actual Christ. Issa bin Miriam comes down. And then all the Jews and Christians go, oh, that's the guy we met.
Starting point is 02:25:27 That's the guy. He's also Kalki, the 10th incarnation of Vishnu. Oh. destroys all the wickedness. Oh. And then is also Matria, the Buddhist Messiah, matria. I don't know exactly that. Yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 02:25:45 But maybe that one, Issa, the Messiah of the Jews, the second returning of Christ, Calci, and Matria are all the same. It's possible. And then the universe is reborn. You heard it here first. I don't know. That's a little far-fetched. all yet, but maybe. Who knows? Yeah. I mean, there's an innate desire to tie them all together,
Starting point is 02:26:13 because if you could do that, if you could unify it, then you're really on to something. And you know, it's interesting? It's what every one of these religions is trying to do. That's why Islam is like, no, no, no, you're right, you're right, you're right, you're right, you're right. Hinduism's like, no, you're right, you're right, you're right, but we're the unifying theory. We're going to take that and add it on top. It's crazy that they all kind of tie together where it's like, again, not literally tie together, but just that there's so much overlap in terms of like the religions, for example, the Abraham
Starting point is 02:26:41 religions are very clear overlap. And then you have Hinduism that's actually like, oh, Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, he is actually an Avatar Vishnu. And there's overlaps with random people who have a trip. Yeah. And I think that what it is is
Starting point is 02:26:56 we can only experience our dimension in the way that we perceive things, but every once in a while we're capable of tapping into something else. And when we describe it, we're talking about a lot of the same things. And it gets very grandiose and it's very insightful.
Starting point is 02:27:14 And we're like, holy shit, there's some other stuff going on. But then people get very dogmatic about then the description and saying, this is exactly what's right. This is exactly what's going on. And we have to follow this. And really no one is perfectly capable of describing
Starting point is 02:27:30 this window into another dimension that we don't really know what's going on. But we're all kind of talking about something that we've all seen glimpses of, perhaps. All this to say, I think certainly, in my description of this, I probably oversimplified a lot of stuff. I probably reduced entire books and, you know, religious passages down to single sentences
Starting point is 02:27:53 or just completely misquoted stuff. It's very possible a lot of what I've discussed today is erroneous. That's not my intention. I'm trying to do my best to go through every eschatological record of every religion and try to understand it as well as I can. So if I misquoted something or if I didn't get something completely right, my bad. Please, comment.
Starting point is 02:28:10 Let me know. Tell me if I can flesh out the idea to understand it better. Maybe I'll do a correction video where I describe and go through all the things I actually missed in this one, if people want it. And I am sorry. I don't believe you. I think you meant everything you said. But secondly, I hope this inspires people to want to learn more. I'm fascinated by the religions of the world.
Starting point is 02:28:29 I think it's really fun to learn about. So if there's other people that, you know, listen to this and they're like, wait a second, what's going on with Hinduism? I didn't know anything about Hinduism. I didn't know what they believed. I didn't know what they read. I just get so stuck in kind of like what I was raised in. I just assume everyone knows that. That you can actually understand people and how they operate in the world a lot better by understanding like, oh, they're, you know, operating with this karmic idea.
Starting point is 02:28:50 Or, oh, these people are waiting for the return of, you know, of Jesus Christ also. Like, I just think it really fleshes out our time on earth while we're here because that's one thing that's guaranteed. We're going to be here for a little bit and we're eventually going to die. Every religion is pretty solid on that. where we go after we'll see and there's so much emphasis on whether or not this or that thing is right when honestly it's like that's all very interesting you know like when you when you take the time to learn about someone you're like oh this is fascinating yeah who knows but it's it's a very unique insight into questions that we don't know the answer to exactly right so this has been
Starting point is 02:29:27 every major religion's eschatological record the end time prophecies of every major religion, billions of people on earth and billions of people that have come before and that will come after, have been researching these documents, they believe these things, and they know them and hold them to be true in their hearts. And maybe one day, inshallah, God willing, Baruch Hashem, will all know. So thank you so much for listening. I appreciate it. And furthermore, I have an actual episode coming out this week, Thursday of this week, I believe, with my dear friend Dr. Jeremy Hutland. There were books that were found in the Dead Sea Scrolls that were not canonized into what would be considered the Christian Hebrew Bible.
Starting point is 02:30:07 Yeah, that's right. The book of Enoch. Enoch is a very minor character in the Bible. The mysterious thing about him is it says, Enoch walked with God and he was no more because God took him. So he's one of two people in the Hebrew Bible who don't seem to die in normal death. You can imagine that if you want to write a work in someone else's name,
Starting point is 02:30:23 why not pick a person who was taken alive to heaven and could tell what he's seen? So this is why you have multiple texts penned in the name of Enoch. Enoch lived before Noah in the flood. So how would his books have survived? Isn't it a matter of telephone? That's an old book. What are the odds?
Starting point is 02:30:38 We've got the words and only the words that Enoch said. So what First Enoch's really known for is his story of what went wrong on earth. The more familiar stories, the story of the garden with Adam and Eve. Enoch doesn't have that story. In Enoch's story, they're called the Watchers, which means watching the sense of being always awake, the vigilant ones, decide that they want to descend
Starting point is 02:30:58 and take human women as wives, and they procreate with them. Their offspring are the giant. and the giants start devouring the earth, that's what elicits the flood. But after the flood, it destroys the giant bodies, but their spirits would continue to roam the earth as evil spirits.
Starting point is 02:31:13 I'm curious about the book of Revelation. There's all sorts of crazy visions and prophecies of end times. Yeah, so when God comes to Earth, it says the people were terrified because they just saw the fire, they heard the voice, they were scared to death, God's a consuming fire. He is a theological professor at Yale.
Starting point is 02:31:29 He studies specifically the Hebrew Bible, as well as the Christian Bible. He knows all about the Torah. He speaks Greek and Aramaic and Hebrew. Fascinating guy. He breaks down a bunch of books that are not included in the Bible. We don't really talk a ton about end times. We do talk about Revelation.
Starting point is 02:31:45 We talk about the book of Enoch. We talk about the book of Daniel and Ezekiel and crazy things in the Bible, mistranslations. And who really got it right? Is it the Catholics or the Protestants? All of that and more is explained in my episode with Dr. Jeremy Hutland, which if you're listening to this in a couple of weeks, it's already out.
Starting point is 02:32:01 You can click on it right here. And if you are listening to this rate when it drops, then it'll be out on Thursday. Thank you guys so much. And Joey, you learned something today. I did. You're leaving this tent a little less dumb than you came in. Yeah.
Starting point is 02:32:13 Thank God. That's really exciting. Let's do this again soon. Yeah, let's do it. Cheers.

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