Camp Gagnon - Bernie Podcast Reaction & The Mexican Ship Wreck | Camp #174

Episode Date: May 20, 2025

Sup dudes today I sit down with the homie  @JoeyAvery  and talk about the great Mexican ship wreck in NYC, my recent pod with Bernie Sanders. Shoutout to my dad for sneaking me to a Paul Oakenfold show at 3AM and then taking me to Sunday Mass at 9AM…WELCOME TO CAMP🏕️Shoutout to our sponsors: Cymbiotika, Morgan & Morgan and BluechewGo to https://partners.cymbiotika.com/CAMP for 20% off your order + free shipping👕🧢 GET YOUR CAMP DRIP HERE: https://campgoods.co/🏕️ Get Today In History Email Here (Free): https://camp.beehiiv.com/🎟️ 🎫 Comedy Tour Tickets Here: https://markgagnonlive.comTimestamps:0:00 Joey Is Back In The Tent + P.T. Barnum7:07 No One Puked In The AirBnB + Joey’s Worst AirBnB Stay11:09 Koreans Don’t Sleep w/ Fans + Mark 13:37 The Mexican Navy Crash21:38 Power Going Out At Newark Airport 26:16 The Bernie Sanders Interview41:23 Did Kamala Harris Beat Trump?45:25 Joe Biden’s Cancer + Trump's Tweet To Joe50:46 The Philosophers King59:02 Joey’s Special1:02:18 Wedding Vows Should Be Legally Binding 1:09:13 Mid LIfe Crisis + Mark’s Dads Chrysler1:15:53 Applying Your Own Ego To Others1:18:55 New Parenting vs Old Parenting1:24:53 Thank For The Recent Love

What's up, people, and welcome back to camp. Today is May 20, 2025 in the year of our Lord. We have a lot to get into. We're talking about this Mexican boat crash here in New York City. Joe B. Biden, that guy, has cancer. RIP, shout out to him. I talked to Bernie Sanders. But before we do all of that, I would like to introduce you, my friend today, Joe Avery.

How are you, sir? I'm well. Great to be here, Mark. Last time I saw you, I think we were having a wonderful time in Portland, Maine. Yes. Yeah, that is true. We had a little double headliner mini tour where we went up to Maine, which it was great we were there together because I don't think Maine is a strong goal for my fan base. I think both of us have a small number of fans in Maine, and when we're together, both of them were like, we don't want to go. Yeah. So we alienated everybody.

But it was fun. We had a good time. Yeah, yeah, we did have a great time. It was interesting. Our first night, we had kind of a tough billing because we were in the same building and head-to-head with. a literal fucking circus. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, we had the... What was the circus? Actual circus. I don't think he even had a name. It was just circus. I was like,

whose circus is, like, Barnum and Bailey? Do we have a circus leader? They were like, no, it's the circus, you idiot. Which is crazy how far the circus has fallen. It used to be a big deal. It was the deal. It was the thing. The greatest show on earth. Yeah. And P.T. Barnum is one of the

most fascinating characters of history. I should have known you'd know that. I'm glad you brought this up. He used to do this thing where he would like go out on the street and he would like he would create like these spectacles as like just a guy on the street

basically like drum up business for the circus coming to town like he would like cause like antics and fights and like stir up local communities and he was like just to just to get interest in the incoming search so he's basically the Kanye of his time literally he might have that might be the best way to describe him he is like the Kanye of his time let me search like he would cause local

fights and things as promo. Yes, yeah, yeah. He was out in the street. He's a dude that came up with the quote there's a sucker born every second. Yeah. Like, he's that guy. But he was like a proper marketing genius. Then like the OG marketing genius. That's crazy.

Grado's show on Earth was him. He invented the Fiji mermaid. He like tied like a capuchin monkey to like a fish and then like smirkated as a mermaid. He found a mermaid. He had a 161 year old woman. That obviously was not true. Yeah, she was just like, he just grabbed an Asian yeah. Yeah, yeah. She's old as fuck. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, yeah, yeah. She was a 35 year old Asian

woman. Yeah. Look at, look at her. Yeah, so he just, he knew what a lot of people who came after him know, which is that a great way to get attention is to absolutely lie. Yes. And appeal to, like, our most base instincts, which makes me feel like I'll never be a great marketer, which is, I don't like that vibe. Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, I'm not really particularly good at that. Like, I feel like I do a pretty good show. And then I tell people, I'm like, yeah, it's not that good. Yeah.

I'd rather you'd comment to be like, holy shit, that was amazing. I'm like, yeah, it actually was pretty good. If it was up to me to market my tour, it would be the most pretty good show on earth. Come on out if you want to have fun or not. It's totally fine as well, whatever. Just let me know if you think you'll roll through or not. Yeah, meanwhile, this guy's literally lying and is like, and then he calls... We have a mermaid.

And then he calls them suckers. Yeah. That's the best part. You're the idiot. Yeah, he tricks them. I want to do this as a sketch. I wanted to do like the super condescending magician. that's great so like you do a car trick to someone and they're like bro that's crazy I'm like yeah you

dumbass yeah obviously yeah you believe in magic you idiot yeah you don't know I did that you fucking moron stop dude oh man you know who we're missing in in Maine when we were there oh my good friend miles we got miles in the studio the return of miles hi everybody if he's now outside of the tent he's been relegated due to uh fan demand the the fans can't have miles in the tent yes the camper said if he steps foot in the tent we're not coming back to the show he is kind an outdoor cat. Oh, 100%. I feel like, it's like, we'll leave food

out for miles from time to time, and he does belong to us, but he will be nowhere near our couch. Yeah, like a beat dog. I show back up. Yeah, exactly. I always make my way home. Exactly. So if you guys don't mind, but we can just get a fuck Miles in the chat.

And the amount of people after each one of my shows, I want you to know Miles, that will dat me up, be like, dude, great show, really enjoyed it, also fuck Miles. The amount, the amount of people. What do you think my DMs look like? I just had Bernie on. And I'm still getting, yo, fuck you.

Socialist pig, fuck mom. It's got to be tough because you're opening your DM and it's like, oh, does someone want to fuck Miles? It's like, nope, just fuck Miles. It's not a pitch. This is just what's up. Yeah, which also let the record show before there was ever fuck Miles. There was Fuck Mark. I had a shirt that I would wear sometimes in college that just said Fuck Mark Gagnon on the front of it.

Really huge letters. It was top to bottom, like from the neckline to the bottom. Yeah, and I would just, like, wear it to parties and shit. And people just come up to and be like, who's that? And I'd be like, nice to meet you. Dude, you're the original, the PT Barnum. That's an incredible, that's an incredible straight. You knew exactly what you were doing.

That's actually. There's a sucker born every second, and all of them want to fuck Mark a head nod. You're trying to suck. Like, here, this is, you can't, it's, here, there you go. That's me at a party. Oh, my Lord, it's like, it's glowing. Me and my friend Connor and Emerson. That is incredible.

We can put that on the screen for the good people at home. But yeah, and recently I FaceTime my wife while she was at home with her family holding my son, and she was wearing that shirt. Really? She should just change amended to say, I fucked Mark Gagnon, and now I have this baby. Yes, one time. Yeah, I fucked Mark Gagnon one time. On the record, one time. Yeah.

And she was just wearing it around the house with her mother. And what did her mother think about that, you think? Like, you guys are just whacking. Yeah, Brooklyn kids. We never did this back in my day. Yeah, never. All righty, don't skip forward, guys, because I am on the road. World's Fastest Ad Read coming at you.

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And if you come out to a show, I'd love to see you sporting some of the threads that we got up online. I'll see you guys there. But no, that Portland time was fun until we got absolutely rinsed by the Airbnb. Did they? I don't know. I don't know what the current status is. You are the reason that has happened for the record. That is not true.

So, Miles, here's what happens. We are in Portland, Maine, okay? Which Portland, Portland, Oregon named after Portland, Maine. Yeah. Yeah, there's a bet, right? And both equal level of homeless vibes. It's shocking how similar cities they are. Yeah.

I'm pretty sure Portland, Oregon was named after Portland, Maine, because of Lewis and Clark. There was like a bet between them, right? Or whoever got something first? Yeah, whoever, like, discovered the land first or some shit. Oh, got to name it after their hometown. Yeah. Portland was way cool with a Bangor. Respect to Bangor.

But I think they know that. I think everyone in Maine knows that. Yeah, yeah. I mean, you couldn't even get through without yawning. Yeah, that's going to tell you anything about the area. But, yeah, so basically, we are leaving the hotel. I have to fly out at 7 a.m. or something like that, so I leave at 5 a.m.

And Joey's like, hey, don't worry about it. We'll lock down the Airbnb. No issue, right? There was no issue. So Joey leaves. I don't talk to him. All of a sudden, I get a thing from Airbnb saying, hey, the owner of the Airbnb is disputing your recent stay.

And I was like, what's going on? I had a great time. We were there for maybe four hours. Yeah. Like literally, we got there, did the show, went back, slept, and then left. Had some bomb-ass Chinese food. Incredible Chinese Empire Chinese. Shout out to them, Portland, Maine.

Yeah. I mean, the empire. You didn't even have it. To be fair, because you didn't believe that you were worried about insulin spikes. I was worried about insulin spikes. I don't know if you're still on this. Absolutely, I am. I am an ardent accolite of Dr. Jason Fon.

Okay. And I'm an ardent accolite of his uncle who made the face. fantastic Chinese food that I enjoyed eating. It was great. Sylvester Fung, the famous chef, the insulin spiker himself. But yeah, so we leave, and I get this thing that says, hey, there's vomit in the sink. The pipes are completely clogged, and you have to pay $200 to fix it. Did not puke.

So that's the thing. Right before. I didn't puke and I used the sink before I left, and it worked. Right before we started. So there was no clog. there was no vomit. Before we started recording, Joey goes, I love partying, dude.

I do love partying, but I didn't party in Portland. I'm just saying, I don't know what's going on with the dispute. This is still open. If the Airbnb people are going to use this against me, let the record show. Neither of us have puked in the same. There was no puking. Look, there's a lot of Airbnbs I've stayed at in my day that if they came and levied a puking allegation, I would just have to charge it to the game.

And I'd be like, you might be right. Worst Airbnb. This was not one of those situations. What's the worst Airbnb you ever said? The first Airbnb I ever stayed in was when I came out to help you guys write on Schultz Saves America during the pandemic. And I came out and I was like, I told Andrews, like, I won't fund my trip. I just want to help.

So I came out and I got an Airbnb not realizing, I don't think New York's the greatest Airbnb sitting in the world. It's a legal. The place looked like, it looked like an artist studio. So it looked great in photos. And then I get there. dingy, dusty mess, no air conditioning in the middle of summer. So it's super hot and the only, the bed is in a loft.

So you're at the top of an already hot room. So I'm sleeping up there and the only thing to bring you any sort of coldness was a fan that looked like it was like on a fucking World War I Warthog plane. That green one? And it was, dude, it was like, yeah. And it was like so loud that I felt like I was having dreams that I was like taking off. I thought I was an airplane. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And it was horrible. Nice. It was awful. And then my friend was like, oh, you can just stay at my parents' place. And I was like, bet, I'll do that.

That's wild. It was really like one of, it was like a finger chopper type fan. Yeah, it was like that, but it was like huge. Hell, it was like this big.

And it was just like, and I was just like, this is horrible. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. You should have done the Japanese way. Which is what? On the floor.

No. The Japanese don't sleep with fans. Well, no one should these days. It's really tough with Instagram and social media. Hey. Hey.

You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? Oh, is it Koreans? Type shit. But yeah, the Koreans don't, they don't sleep with fans. They get the superstition about it. Really? Yeah.

Well, they're wrong. I sleep with a fan every night. What do you want to say? You know what I mean? Sometimes they're right. Sometimes they're... That's an interesting... I love how they can just be like,

yeah, no, we're not doing that. is that sleeping with an electric fan running can cause death. While there's no scientific basis for this belief, it remains prevalent and has passed down through generations. Boy, doesn't that apply to a lot of things? Right. That last sentence? Yeah, yeah, yeah. There is no scientific basis for this. Hey, I feel like you're calling out a lot of my dieting stuff. Let the record show I have two jars of raw honey on the table. Yeah, wow. What do I gain from this? This one, I mean, there's a, this is a panacea.

Yeah. Truly. This can solve all your problems. It will make biscuits taste very yummy. And also potentially help with seasonal illness. I love that. But I don't think you are a guy who eats biscuits. This is where I'm going to call you on that.

No, I don't. Right. Not the present moment. I really got it for my wife because I was like, I think she'll like this. It's hard to go on the road and go to like our favorite. It's eating biscuits all the time. I'm going to help her out. Exactly, dude.

Spiking her insulin. Not mine. But yeah, I mean, we do pass down. dumb things. There's a podcast in Korea right now where these two hosts are like, yeah, dude, they think if you eat food and swim, you're going to die. Like, these fucking idiots? Yeah, yeah. And we're over here like, yeah, I guess, yeah.

Bizarro world to us just in Korea. Yeah, don't do it. Don't. Well. Also, local honey only helps with allergies in the area. Yeah, exactly. So, New York City and Indiana, honey is not going to help. But there is immune boosting. No.

Immune boosting. A moon boosting. I have honey in my mouth right now. I keep a tuck like a zen. I bet this is fire, though. Yeah, it's quite nice. But were you in the city when the Mexican Edmund Fitzgerald crash? I was not.

For the record, some people passed away, okay? So I just want to acknowledge up top that's very sad. It's a tragedy, and we're going to pour Medella out for those boys. We will. Absolutely. Because it is sad. and the people who passed, because I was curious about this, I wasn't sure if they were, like, people on the bridge or whatever.

I think it was people standing on the masts. There was a guy that committed suicide jumping off the bridge, just coincidentally. Yeah, it was... Actually, that was due to the stock market. That was completely unrelated. Dude, imagine there's a Wall Street guy just hanging on there. He's like, actually, maybe I won't.

And then just a ship hits him back. He falls off. He goes to kill himself, and the ship puts him back. And he was like, fuck, dude. He lands on the sail, like Jack Sparrow. Just fucking knifes his way down. He's like, all right, fine. I guess I'll stick around for a while.

But yeah, it was a crazy thing. I'd really stop the city for a little bit. Yeah, I was out of town. I was in the Catskills at a wedding, and then I just woke up and saw it on my phone. Yeah, I mean, it's crazy. And Miles, what was the thing with this? It was basically a Mexican Navy training ship?

Yeah, basically. It's like a ship of goodwill or like a peace ship. And they use it for, like, they use it as like a marketing almost you can imagine and they were headed to Iceland if I'm not mistaken right and they lost power yeah the prevailing theory is they lost power they were like going into the harbor and then they were going to not go to the harbor and as they were doing their turnaround they lost power damn and so they had all these guys up on the mast yeah and then it hits like of all the ships with giant mass to hit this one was stacked full of

Well, that's because at first I was like, did they just not do the math? That's insane. But, yeah, it looks like they weren't trying to go under the bridge. They just lost power. Yeah. And then... I mean, such a bummer, dude. There's some poor guys.

But also, the giant Mexican flag on the front is sort of funny to me. Like, yeah. It was so big. It's for a boat that was designed to bring good PR to the Mexican Navy, it has had the exact opposite effect. But it has definitely generalized. up conference. It's kind of a PT Barham sort of experience here where, and maybe, you know, I would imagine search results for Mexican Navy have never been higher. That is true. And so we like get a few more in there. And obviously respect, it is a tragedy. But which it's so sad

that it is a tragedy because it's sad anyway, but it's also unfortunate that it can't just be purely hilarious. I know. Like, which, like, you see these things and you're like, oh, people passed away. Yeah. That is so sad because now it's going to be hard for me to make jokes about it. Correct. Yeah. And so who's the real victim? Yeah, exactly, right? It's us. Yeah, it is. My friend said

he went out for a run that morning and he saw the boat and he, like, took a picture and was going to send it because he was just like, I'm all for everybody, but this feels like an invasion. Because he's like, the flags were so big. I was like, dude, I wish you had sent it because you would have had this, you know, ominous, like, precursor.

I already know Trump had a tweet lined up prior to the bridge hitting it. Prior to Trump was like, we got to build a moat. We need to build a water wall. They call it a bridge. Beautiful Brooklyn Bridge. The Southern Bridge. The Mexicans out. Swatted them back like Yao Ming.

It said, no se puide. Oh, dude. I saw one comment that just said, Cinco de Mayo. Ah. Yeah, that's pretty good. That's pretty good. You got there, dude.

That's tough. What's funny, I mean, I guess the boat lost power. You're fucked either way, but that boat looks like it was built to, to, you know, work without power.

That thing looks like, it's fucking four, this was for the 1,300s or something shit. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Of all the boats, you're like, that's the one that kid doesn't, I didn't know it had power.

Yeah. I thought there was no power involved. in the boat at all. Yeah, no. It's just powered by just dudes with oars or something or just the wind. It's such a colonizer-ass boat, too. You'd think that Mexico would be like, fuck this. We don't want this boat.

I looked it up. I was like, when was this built? And it was like, 1987. Yeah. What? Like, who, for why? Thriller was already out. Yeah.

To me? And they were like, yeah, we need an old armada. Yeah. You know what I mean? We're going to recapture the armada. We need to. I'm going to give it back. to them, dude. Yeah. Yeah.

Shout out to them, dude. Sorry. Shout to them. It's too bad. It's too bad. Because it was a fun boat. Was. You know, I don't know if it'll, I don't know if they're going to keep, is it going to go to Iceland? Well, that's the thing I don't know, because it seems like a lot of the damage is superficial, right? Like, you just put the mass back up. Yeah. And if I know anyone that can fix it.

It would be, yeah. It probably be some. La Rasa. You know what I mean? Pulling up to a Home Depot. Getting the voice. Always back involved. So I'm saying, dude, I think they could fix it a little duct tape. They'd be like, yeah, it's fixed.

I think it might already be fixed. They probably already did. Find out anything about Mexican workout. They're probably on it. Yeah, they fixed that boat. But with it said, I don't know if given the calamity, it's like, yeah, we've got to retire it. Yeah, calamity really is the right word for this. Because it feels like it's like an old-time equality to this disaster.

Oh, it's a calamity. So I don't know what you do. Do you just sink it, turn to a reef? Yeah, yeah, let it rejoin nature. I think you just fix it and you just... Keep it moving? You got to keep it moving. You can't just freak out because the power went out one time.

You know, sometimes that happens at the Newark Airport. FAA, sometimes the screens go dark. Do we stop flying? No, we just really try not to think about it every time I fly out of Newark. What's up, guys? We're going to take a break really quick because we have a new sponsor with the show that I'm so excited about that I need to tell you. So listen up.

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that the air traffic controllers were, like, in the hallways, like, shaking. Because they don't know, like, planes are going to crash into each other. So they had to take, like, it was such an intense thing. They had to take a mental health, like, time off, which is what led to further staff out shortings. Because the people who were working during that were, like, so rattled by. They were, like, all that not working really made me need to take a break. Not working for 30 seconds.

I got to take a day off. When they moved it to Philadelphia. What do you mean? All the newer. Yeah. air traffic is run out of Philadelphia now. I mean, Miles' bitch ass knows everything about infrastructure. I can hear Miles in the back going, that is correct.

These were in the long island. They moved them to Philly. They're already understaffed. It's supposed to be like 44 to 50 people. Did they move them to Philly because they wanted the air traffic controllers to use more slurs when the planes? You got to go down, you fucking quit. Oh, my God. Go birds.

Yeah. Middle bird. Come on, man. Metal birds. Fly, eagles. Oh, my God. So has it been going well in Philadelphia until this? Do they even know what happened?

They basically lost connection with, like, Philly. So all the air traffic controllers in the tower for like 90 seconds didn't have it. And then, yeah, like you said, they took trauma. Damn. What's going on with water traffic control? Is that who was in charge of that? Like, no, I think you'll make it. Should be good.

Yeah. Send it. Send it. Oh, dude. I mean, yeah, it's kind of a scary thing. I was flying this week in Indianapolis. And old burn dog, old Senator Sanders. Yeah.

Made me miss a couple shows, but it was all worth it. Wait, what do you mean? You had to come back early? So he was going to come on Thursday and had a show Indianapolis on Thursday. Yeah. And I was like, I'm going to push it to Friday. So I'm just going to cancel a Thursday show. Yeah.

Sorry, Indianapolis. It was for a good cause. We had to tell the people about socialism or something. Yeah. And then Friday. Friday came around, did the show, or did the pod with Bernie, which was awesome. Like, what a legend. I want to talk about that.

Yeah. But then the flight was at three, gets delayed until 6.30. Yeah. Terrible insane flight. Like the whole time we're taking off. We wait three hours in the terminal, wait an hour on the tarmac, get up in the air, no AC on the plane. They're finding turbulence. I don't think they're trying to avoid it.

I think they're just flying directly into turbulence the whole time. It builds, yeah, build spirits. Yeah, exactly. Like, we were on spirit. Yeah. It was just basically trying to find, like, whatever the worst flight path was. We added another hour in the air because they were trying to get around the storm. Oh, my God.

The show was supposed to be 7 to 9 30. I ended up landing at 8.30 or 9 or something like that. And then immediately booked her from the airport straight to the show. And then they just consolidated the shows into one and just, like, pack people in. Oh, how? In that tiny room? Yeah. Holy shit.

It was like 75% sold for both shows. Yeah. Just, like, just like, just do that. And then some of the early show people just dipped. Yeah, I think that this is going to be happening to a lot of show. I mean, like, I'm in Dallas this weekend, Dallas Comedy Club, come on out. But it's like it's Memorial Day weekend. I'm flying out of Newark.

Thankfully, my flight's at 6 a.m., which I usually hate, but I'm like, I'd rather be first one out. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And, like, just fucking get there and take a nap. Also, it didn't help that I watched the rehearsal, Nathan Fielder's program. It's so good. I really enjoyed it. It is, I mean, see the episode. where he speed runs Solie's life

is probably the funniest TV. I think that's the hardest I've ever laughed at a television show in my entire life when he walked out as the baby. I was like, oh my God. And then the takeaway at the end, which I won't spoil, but like wake me up inside.

How good is that? I don't know what was happening, but my guess. Yeah, if you're not watching the rehearsal, I guess it's a very particular type of show. I could imagine some people not enjoying it because it's not just like a fun normal TV show but

fuck is it the closest thing we have is the comedic genius happening right now. Yeah, I really enjoy it. I mean outside of this podcast but yes, I agree and it's the all-time show for your wife to fall asleep halfway through because she was falling asleep and she was like oh that's funny, he's trying to fix aviation safety

and then woke up like maybe 20 minutes later and she's like he's a baby? Yeah, you really missed a couple building blocks. Yeah, yeah. There's a lot of story progression that's going on that she was not not privy to. Yeah, absolutely brilliant. Now, I am interested in your pod with Bernie.

Oh, my goodness. What a ledge. Now, for the record, let me just say, I don't really like any politicians. Fair. Which is kind of like a dumb take to have. I know it's like borderline conservative just to be like, I don't like politicians. In general, I just... It feels like it sounds dangerous, but in practice it's very safe.

Sure. Like, it sounds like you're being like, dude, fuck the system, man. then in reality it's like actually this is the easiest take to defend it all time yeah exactly and it also gives you a cop out for not participating i'm not saying that's what you're going for but it's just like i get this sense where you get these like politicians like you're like okay like i just kind of accept corruption it's also weird to love politicians too yeah maybe equally is as strange of a take but it's like i just sort of like i'm i'm inherently skeptical yeah with that said Bernie exceeded my expectations.

Like a very principled guy. And then even just doing research on him, obviously I was familiar with him through 2016 kind of onward. It was like kind of who he was existing as in the political atmosphere. But I didn't know all the details of his personal life that I got to dive into during, you know, prep for the pod. And I was just, I was, I'm so impressed by like,

I don't know, like his record. You know what I mean? Like he's been, it's seemingly a, like a solid, honest person for the better part of like, 60 years. He's very good at communicating his stuff too. Like, I watched the episode today, and it felt like I was like with my cousins, like, after dinner at Grandpa's house, like, with everyone asking him questions and just hearing like, oh, wow, that's how the system works. Yeah, literally, that's how it felt. It had a cool quality to it. And one more thing.

Let's just, let's take a deep breath. Socialist grandpa's talking again. We need to listen. It was so fun, and I just really enjoyed his aura. It's funny. It's funny. not that this is the most important thing but I'm always it's always interesting watching feedback on different platforms because like I was just curious what people's comments would be it's a politician you guys are a comedy show like it could be inflammatory so I'm looking

and like on YouTube everyone's like amazing best ever and then I think Schultz posted on Instagram and people are like better call this fucking hypocrite out and I was like I didn't know people thought Bernie was a hypocrite I guess they were saying because he took money from big pharma is what people said Yeah, which even looking to that, it's like he was taking donations from many pharma employees. Right, which is totally.

I mean, Miles, can you fact check me on that? Am I off there? Like, that's my understanding is that he was accepting money from pharma employees. It seemed in general, though, that it was a very well-received episode. I thought it was great. Yeah, I appreciate how he communicates. Yeah, I like him and I like his energy. So, like, the criticism that people were giving also were kind of annoying where it's like,

you mad that he flies on a private jet so that's the one thing it's like he sometimes flies on a private jet it's like yeah he is a politician and has to still do stuff you know what i mean it's like i'm opposed to slavery but i have a phone that was probably built a slave labor you know what i mean like but like that doesn't negate the fact that it feels a bit like fishing when compared to like the criticisms of other politicians yeah i mean no one gets mad at other politicians for also being on a private jet it feels i mean in to use your fishing metaphor yeah it's like someone calling out like overfishing or like you know killing sharks and cutting off their fins and being like yeah but you fish in your pond right it's like all right like it's not really the same thing

I don't think that that's a valid criticism like it's the person that's like oh dude Bernie flies on a private jet so it's fine that people die of not being able to afford insulin right I'm like I don't see how I think people give it to him more because they're like oh he's a socialist I don't know his at least his talking points now and what he was talking about with you guys seemed less about like full tilt socialism and more like there's a clear and ridiculous situation going on with the amount of billionaires we're able to manufacture while the average person's getting angrier and angrier. And you can let that play out and see what's going to fucking happen or not. Yeah, it's like wages aren't going up and people are struggling and

like America's getting very wealthy and it's not getting redistributed and it's not trickling down. So I'm like, okay, is there a way to address that? Is there a way to get people like at least access to some type of health care while preserving a private system like public schools and private schools. Yeah, we're getting wealthy. We're also in debt somehow. It's all very confusing. And again, I'm not some political genius.

I don't know any of this stuff. But this is just like, based off a simple Google search, it's like, oh, he has three homes. And it's like, yeah, he's 83 and he's sold, like, bestselling books. And he also has, like, a good income as being a senator. Like, to me, that's like, I don't know. I have, like, friends that, you know, their parents own two homes. Yeah.

Like, I don't know if that makes them in the billionaire class. Right. Like, sure, they're doing great financially, probably better than 90% of people. But I don't know if that's really who. Bernie's talking about. I think that was something that clicked with me too is for the longest time I thought people who were making these points were against like anybody who like has a vacation home or something and it's like, no, there's a group of hyper, hyper rich elites that actually run everything. Yeah. In our government and like that's who we should be talking about.

I mean, you've seen the comparison of like a million versus a billion. Yeah. Like this like to me, I think is a worthwhile thing to examine where like a... Because in your head it feels like you're going from 1 million to 2 million almost. Yeah, no, that's what I do. And I think it's like a human thing where they kind of like mistake it. But like 1 million seconds versus a billion seconds.

Have you seen this? No. So 1 million seconds is about 11.5 days. Okay. One billion seconds. 31 years and eight months? Yeah. Yeah, that's crazy.

Just to put it in scope. Or like could you look up like a million grains of rice versus a billion grains of rice? Like, again, it's one of these like, it's like our brains I don't think can really comprehend like the difference. but it's I don't know

it's one of those things that I think people kind of miss when it comes to burning they're like oh he doesn't want anyone to get rich and like no and also I think maybe I think to give some credit to folks like so yeah here's like a visual representation of like a million percibility yeah getting mad someone has an extra house

when they're talking about the fact that like Jeff Bezos is sending women to space on a rocket randomly it's like it's kind of a slightly different yeah space I'm not the guy who's blasting bitches to space Maybe we look into that level of... Now, if you just left them there, no problem.

Makes sense. Now it's just some peace and quiet. Yeah, exactly, right? But no, I don't know. It's just like... To give credit, I also think that maybe some of the folks on the Bernie side, maybe oversimplify things. And there's kind of like point out problems

without necessarily having a very clear-cut solution because most of these problems have very complex solutions, right? It's kind of crazy that you have spoken face-to-face with Bernie Sanders and Donald Trump. in the last within my son's lifespan. Yeah, that is insane. Yeah, yeah, it's a pretty...

Different vibes from the two of them. Yeah, both pretty likable. Yeah, like in the room. Well, so that I guess that's... Both are really likable. It's easy to, you know, let's put aside their political perspectives for this... I already have.

Question. And I've watched both podcasts. But, like, in the room, is there, like, in aura that either had that you felt was like, God, it's, like, you could just tell immediately why they have been so successful in their own ways. I mean, sort of like, they light up a room. I would say Trump probably has, like, a more charismatic aura.

Yeah. Where, like, you meet him and you're like, oh, wow, this guy is, like, one of the all-time, like, most famous humans has ever existed. Yeah. It's a pretty, like, bizarre aura to walk around with. And he's very charming and charismatic and, like, shaking everyone's hand. And he's, like, how are you? I mean, he's just, like, ribbing people.

I'm like, Bernie seems very straight to business. And Trump, I could imagine. being like, look at the hair on this guy. Yeah, which he did. Word for word. And yeah, Bernie was like, you know, just like an older sort of like curmudgeony guy. Yeah.

But it's his principle that I think is like the most compelling thing where like you see how principled he has been. Which is not Trump's strength in my humble. Yeah. Yeah, probably less so. Yeah. But yeah, Bernie's just like so, yeah, he was just like so sharp too. That is maybe one thing that they do share in common is that despite their old age, they're quite sharp.

Yeah. And I've got some big laughs out of Bernie, which I feel like was not like a normal, like, Schultz got an autistic joke laugh out of Bernie Sanders. A big one, dude. That was even one of the things. It must have felt electric. That was one of the things that was funny is like doing the prep for it is like we just discovered this fact that part of the reason that he sort of started to analyze corporate greed was because the Dodgers left Brooklyn. That would be heartbreaking. I mean, the guy's listing off, you know, who's batting third and he's doing fucking Abbot and Costello.

You know, like, and that is a real thing. That era, it's so interesting to me how important baseball was back then. My grandpa was the same thing. He would, as he was, he ended up having dementia. As he was like sliding into dementia, we'd still be like, hey, grandpa, can you do the lineup for the whatever year it was Detroit Tigers? And he would just batting first, second base and just rattle through the whole thing. like it was important. When my wife was doing her clinicals

to become like a nurse practitioner, she was doing, she was working like a retirement home, like an old folks home, and the amount of old men that she would like, that was like, you know, like advanced Alzheimer's that were waking up out of their bed

being like, where am I cleats? Like where... I always want a fucking ball, dude. Like the end of your life. Put me in, coach. I'm ready to play. There's some. Something poetic about that, but like for a dude's life, like, by the end of it, all you want to do is just play ball.

Dude. And hang with your kids. I resonate with this all the time. My friends will get mad of me because, like, my wife, I'll be like, oh, God damn it. She's like, why? I'm like, I woke up. I was about to hit. She's like, what do you mean?

I have baseball dreams all the time. And the most frustrating thing is when I wake up right when I'm about to hit. Everyone knows baseball is all of us waiting around trying to fucking hit. It's my turn, and I want to drop bombs. I say the same thing, but it's just a wet dream. Yeah, I'm like, sorry. Let me hit. Yeah, babe, I was about to tap that.

I was about to smash that. That's about to hit. Come on, dude. I have way more sports dreams than sex dreams. Yeah. I had a dream I was a goalie the other night in the NHL. Yeah, dude. It's just like it's fucking game six.

We've got to tighten it up, boys. What a funny position I have a dream of, too. And I played hockey, but I wasn't a goalie. So it was a really. unique life experience to get to step into. Oh, it's so funny. But yeah, dude, Bernie, like, that was, like, a pivotal moment. Like, think about, like, his...

There's a fun open. I was wondering how you'd approach the pod, but getting him onto a personal, like, a fun, nostalgic story and a side of him that I think no one had seen. I thought it was great. Yeah, dude, it was so fun. And, like, his... Like, the two things that he's, like, rode for in his life, it's, like, wealth and equality, racial justice.

And as like a 14-year-old kid. That has really worked out. No, he hasn't fixed it, but I'm saying like those are good stances to stick to. Yeah, yeah. And he's been there the whole time and it started because the Dodgers left Brooklyn and he saw Jackie Robinson hit a home run. It was like, you got to get these guys in the league. How do we get more of these guys on the Dodgers?

Yeah. So it was like that one moment that is like so pivotal. And then we just kind of came across it in research where like definitely to talk about this. How much time do you guys spend researching for a pod? I mean, it sort of like depends, but like for a guess like that, especially if it's like a high

sort of like status person with some stakes involved. Yeah. It'll probably be like, you know, like a week and a half. Wow. I mean, it's not like every moment of every day, but it's like, hey, this is just a spectrum of podcast prep. And a lot of podcasts, like, I'll see podcasts that are like

so successful and it's literally just two dudes like, yeah, fucking. And it's then, you know, meanwhile, I'm doing mine. I'm, like, writing songs and doing sketches, and I'm like, no one's watching this. But you guys, I can always tell, like, it's a conversation, but I'm always like, you knew what things you wanted to get to. Oh, yeah, for sure. Especially with someone like that, he is, like, a very tight schedule. Yeah.

Like, he's on tour. Yeah. So he was like, yeah, we got an hour. Yeah. But he was like, I'm also on tour, Bernie. Yeah. Make it 45 minutes. And I'm missing my show in Indianapolis.

Yeah. But yeah, he ended up enjoying himself, did like an hour and a half. He seemed like he did have fun. I think so. Yeah. And it is crazy how, I guess the Democrats are starting to figure this out. But it struck me that like that real honest, good conversation. I was just trying to think of how many people on the Democratic bench, like, could do that or would do that.

And it is. I think most of them. Like, politicians are, again, for all of their faults, generally, speaking are very likable. That's like their job. They are professionally likable. Right. And so I think most, if not all of them, could sit in a setting, especially with our show. Like, we're not

particularly like, we're not trying to catch people. You know what I mean? You think they just feel like it's a risk-reward thing or they're just late to the party? I think historically like Democrats and progressives in general have had more like social guidelines as far as what they're allowed to do.

And so the risk of like, okay, do I go on the show, someone makes an inappropriate joke, and then if I don't react accordingly, my entire political career goes on the books. I was literally like, damn, Bernie might get flamed by his side for laughing at the autism joke. Well, now Bernie's side, like, his side was always sort of like its own thing. Like, he's an independent, right? But, like, his side is like, yeah, we make a joke, who cares? Like, maybe you think it's inappropriate, maybe you don't, but ultimately, like, you know, people are dying of fentanyl overdoses in the streets. Like, can we focus on that?

which is kind of where I land where it's like, yeah, I like to make fucked up jokes and if you disagree, that's fine, but that's also, I don't think should be anyone's highest priority. Right. Right, right, right. Yeah. People can't afford food. It's just,

I don't know. Yeah. So it seems like I think more progressive in the Democrats, kind of on the wave of like, okay, we don't have to be policing what everybody says and it's more important to get our message across. Yeah. Which I hope is the trend for the future because ultimately I think long-form combo with many different

people and viewpoints and perspectives is good for public discourse. I think people are like forced to loosen up a little bit where it's like, okay, policing things didn't work and no one likes to be scolded. Not only did not work, I think it like, backfired. Determintal and backfired, right? Like, say what you will about comma, but like,

I think she's probably pretty likable and it's a fun hang and, like, has cool stories. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like when she told Oprah, like, yo, I got a gun and I'll bust a cap. I was like, let's go, dude. She has an odd spectrum of like eating shit and absolutely killing it. Like, people do not.

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What's your favorite verse? All of them. Yeah. It's great. He apparently, too, like he walked into, I think he walked into the palace in Qatar and was just like, what a great house. I mean, that's exactly what I would say. Yeah. It's exactly what I would say.

Word for word. Did you see, I know I'm just throwing out funny Trumpism, but you saw the fat shot drug. No. You didn't even see the fat. Oh, where he's talking about his friend. He's like, I have a friend. Very neurotic. Very fat.

One of the fattest guys. His friends at home, like, bro, what? I told you this in confidence. Are you fucking kidding me? Did you see his tweet for Biden getting cancer? I thought it was a very measured Leno capital letters tweet. Someone definitely took his phone. Yeah, it's not him.

I wonder how they found it. I would love to know what he said, like, yeah, to the people in the room. And they're like, we got to get out a statement. And then they do the statement. and then he's like, we'll do that one. We could. Sleepy, Joe, he's going to sleep forever. He's not surprised.

Not the first liberal with a weird prostate. They milk them. How many fingers, Joe, did it take? Something's metastasizing in his back. I'll tell you that. It's It's It might be

Hunter's laptop Might be Yeah But dude It's Yeah I don't know I kind of feel bad

For old Joey Old Joey Biden Yeah I mean I There's obviously Conspiracy Surrounding everything

But I think now One of the things Is like I think a doctor said like Well for this Cancer to be This stage

He's had it For a long time So the question is Were they not Testing it On purpose? I mean While we're on

Conspiracy vibes Yeah They definitely knew while he was president, right? They must have. I mean, I don't want to be too. It certainly covered a lot of things up, although I will say their ability to cover up things is not great,

considering Jake Tapper just wrote a long book about it. So if everything else is coming out, I don't know why they would have been able to keep this one a secret. That's a good point. But is it? I don't know. I have no idea. I don't know if they knew or not.

I mean, part of me is like, you're probably getting medical checkups on a regular basis to be the president, and if it's that level like they probably knew and they can't say it, da-da-da. Yeah, I think that they weren't testing his, I don't know if it's a PS or I was just hearing all this for the first time, but there was like one test that checks that,

and they weren't doing that test for him. Apparently, sometimes they don't do that test in old people because if you're going to get this certain type of cancer, like you're probably like in a dead race with old age. So you can't get it if you don't test type of. Yeah, it's like an STD. Yeah, it's like, yeah.

But it just would be odd to me to assume that we are skimping on the tests for the old commander-in-chief. That's what I'm assuming. But I also, you know, Trump's doctor keeps coming out and being like, he's killing it and he's insanely healthy. And it's like, well, you know, he's got a lot of energy. But, you know, I don't know. When I get my blood work done, there's usually areas for improvement. So you tell me, you know. Yeah, I don't know.

I am glad to see the most people are being nice about it. Like, you hear someone's got cancer and you're like, all right, I'm sorry. You know what I mean? No matter what you want to say politically. It is nice that we still have this level of decorum, which Trump doesn't usually wield. But it is nice that there's this level of like, all right, hey, we leave it in between the white lines. If you actually got some shit going on, like, we wish you the best, which, you know, it's a nice perk afforded to the elites. when they make decisions from their desk

that just decimate families in third world countries and no one really seems to care then but I'm sure there are people in some parts of the world that are not like ooh let me get out a nice calm tweet for Biden that's probably a great point yeah yeah that's probably an excellent point

that is a tough I don't know why anyone want to be president like I don't I need to be like too much I have no interest of it kind of start cooking and then it's like like think about it that like I agree It sounds kind of horrible. But then, like, imagine if you were in a position where it was actually possible for you, and you're already catching shit if you're that famous anyway,

and you're going to bed one night and that the thought creeps into your head, and you're like, me on Air Force one? Dude, me in the White House? I guess. But then it's like... Me and all the oil paintings and the placemats of children. Yeah, right? But, like, me sending a bomb to some wedding?

Right. But I think you tell yourself, oh, well, I mean, obviously there's going to have to be some unfortunate decisions, but I'm probably going to be better at making them than other people. Yeah, I guess. You just have to believe that. You have to. If you're not, don't do it. Yeah. But then I'm like, is that the guy when you run on the country?

The guy that's like, I'm the best. Yeah, no. Yeah, no, not really. But, like, that's who you get. Yeah, I guess. You don't even get there. Maybe we just got to go back to the philosopher kings, you know. man go back you tell me go back on some some play-to vibes right like just get like just some young

kid pulling from an orphanage uh-huh random kid from an orphanage and be like we don't even want to know what plato would do to that too you turn him into plato dude that's what the amount oh what's we're doing back then that's why that is crazy succorities dude then all these guys were pitos and then we named a children's goo plato that is okay spelled so differently but it's the same way word, dude. Dude, Plato's like, they're gonna... Kids are gonna play with me forever. That's crazy, bro. Just want their tiny hands on me.

Just pushing me all the time. It's one of those historical facts that I think, it's, like, it's, you know, it's a joke, kind of. But, like, I'm like, they weren't actually doing that, but they were. They were. But it feels like they were, like, when I hear that, I'm like, come on. You guys writing all these books,

you mean to tell me they were banging dudes? Go on. Kids, they didn't think they were. turning these boys into a human fleshline. Legit, bro. And their rule was that they stopped once they grew beards, because then they were men. That's horrifying. I still can't grow a beard. I'd be getting pummeled right

now, dude. I'm fucking 34. That's horrifying, dude. I'm so glad I wasn't born in ancient Greece. That's the allegory of the cave. It's just Joey getting dogged out. You see Plato's dick shadow on the wall? You're like, oh, shit. Is that the dick, or is that the form of the dick?

Oh, no. Plato's dick shadow on the wall is horrifying. He was chained up. Oh, my God. Called ditty. But they didn't view it as a sexual thing, right? Well, I'm sure it was sexual, but I just don't think... I think the...

I hurt people, hurt people, because it happened to that one. Yeah, probably. Yeah. I just think the lines that are paying for what actually was peder-ass to was probably different. Well, it's just crazy because they were... But they weren't like, I'm gay. They were like, no, I'm married to a woman, obviously. Yeah, I'm pretty sure if my

freshman level philosophy class serves me correct. I had a philosophy minor in college. I don't think we covered this realm. No? I don't think we discussed this. Dude, I was a philosophy minor. You know what I mean?

Nice, dude. Yeah, shout out. Favorite boy on a team. But, like, it was, like, rooted in misogyny. Oh. I'm really sound like a lib this episode. For the record, I'm a fucking... You're an independent.

I'm a staunch independent. Look at my voting record. Okay, I'm in the state of Florida. Independence is day one. All right. Lifelong independent. Uh-huh. That's what I tell you.

I'm doing a lifelong independent. A lifelong independent. Born. Came out of the box. As a lifelong independent. Um, it was like some misogyny shit where they were like, okay, women are for, like, the home. Right. But like, and women are for reproduction.

Right. And we have to bang them for reproduction. But, like, actual relationships can only be held amongst the, cerebral intellectual sex. Holy shit. That is where they were putting... So they loved these boys. I thought they were just like

trying to release. No, I'm pretty sure it was like an intellectual bond. Like the only way we can connect is like with another man intellectually. That's why I'm in fantasy leagues. What's your fantasy? I guess it depends. You know what I mean? All right. Loser

of the league has to suck me off. Random punishment. What do you guys? thing. Why are there only two people in this fantasy league? I'm like, shut up. Let the commissioners speak. Go back to your quarters. Go back to the cave. I get

the first, second and third draft picks. The deck is stacked against you, all right? That's the fun of it. Yeah. That's the fun. But yeah, dude, it was a different time back in ancient Greece. God damn. Yeah, them boys were wild. Them boys were wild. But that that was played those whole thing.

What would be a crazy place to just visit a Buffalo Wildland? All the boys are just pummeling each other. Watching the match, watching the game of rocks or whatever. I don't know what sorts of games they were watching. The Olympics? Yeah, oh, yeah. That's basically rocks. That is shot put.

It's just rocks. Yeah, they would run around naked. Yeah, yeah. But that was their whole thing. They were like, this is who's going to run the country. We're going to get the genius philosophers. And, like, we're going to raise them as kids and teach them all the rules of civics and how to run a republic.

and then they will be the kings. And then they will anoint a new child king that then will grow and then take over the... And now we don't even care of people are smart or alive. Doesn't matter. Like, just stick them in there. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And some people running it from behind the scenes. He can't climb stairs, put him in. Put him in. I'm sorry, he fell upstairs. Is that not impressive to anyone else? That was one of the questions we were going to ask Buttigieg as a transportation secretary under Biden.

Yeah. Where, like, was it your fault he fell off the bike? That's funny. That's like one of your main jobs, right? planes, trains, and bikes. Yeah. And the old Presente popped off on that one, you know? Yeah.

Yeah. I feel like that should have been his, like, should have been tandem. Miles, you had a nice moment with Pete. I like trains as well. That was so good. And everyone laughed at us. And I was like, no, dude, we're trying to talk. It was so good.

It was so earnest and it was such a beautiful moment. But I laughed and I was like, okay, everyone got laughed. We were trying to talk shop. and you guys are being children. I mean, that really is, like, Miles' like, dream guests, I feel like. It's just, like, just a lib politician. Yeah, guys who runs trains?

Fuck Miles, dude. Drive a fuck Miles in the chat. But that really is. It's just like, I want a guy that's, like, just loves trains, loves infrastructure, and it's just, you know, for the boys, you know? Yeah. I had so many infrastructure questions. Miles could have done a five-hour pod alone, Pete.

I would love that, actually. I would just, Miles, you should start a infrastructure weekly podcast where you just talk about. It is the one thing that everyone like, if you asked people the problem with their local town, everyone's going to be like the roads or shit. Roads and traffic. Yeah.

Roads and traffic. And then construction if you're in the north. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. People in the north hate construction. So the infrastructure pod might be at the, you know, the beating heart of what the people really want to discuss politically. The problem is once you hear...

It'd be a crazy arc for Miles to become the most successful podcast. and media personality out of everyone in the... Just ranking on Spotify. It could work. Honestly, it could work. But the idea that if everyone has this problem, then I'm like, oh, no one has the problem. Like, I hear this thing every time we go to a city,

like, oh, I hate construction. I hate the roads. The fact that it's so pervasive makes me say, we don't need to change anything. It's like ancient Greece. If that was happening to one person, it's the worst thing in the world. If everyone's doing it, that's just life now.

Yeah, that's life. We live in cities, and sometimes the roads suck. so get over it. Yeah. That's how it was, dude. Even down in Orlando, where I grew up from, Miles and I met all types of road traffic and all sorts of things. Orlando feels like a crazy little place. It's the best.

It's a wonderful town. You were telling me that. You were waxing poetic about Orlando when we were in Maine, and I was like, get me out of these maps. I don't know what the fuck this is. But you were like, I just got to get you down there for one day and show you how to, like, really do Orlando. And I do appreciate that because I'm a humble. hometown guy. Everyone's always shit on the Bay Area in San Francisco. I'm like, first of all, you come with me, we'll take a shit in the street, we'll do it our way, we'll do it our way,

but there is, call me Dorothy, but there is no place like home. There is no place like home, and I'm, you know, I'm all for the Bay. I ride for the Bay. You of all people would love Orlando. You're built for Atlanta. I bet I would love Orlando. Day drinking and golf. Yeah. Right? I mean, what else do you need? Sign me up. A nice couple of restaurants, a cute little downtown. I'm down. I'm going. I'm Going to... How far is Orlando from Tampa? Because I'm going to St. Pete. You're a drive-away.

Probably two hours. In July, JoeyAray.com slash live. Two hours. That's not meant. What club are you doing? I'm doing coastal creative in St. Pete. While we're talking tour dates, though, if you are in the Bay Area,

San Francisco, Punchline, I'm filming my first special. June 6th and 7th. We also have a show June 5th. That one's going to sell out, though. But... How are you feeling about it? I am excited.

Like, it's like, it's like a professional wedding. You know what I mean? It's like, I got so many people who are coming out. It's going to be like a huge thing. So it's super stressful, but it also like makes me want to be a better version of myself. So I'm like, okay, I got to like. Getting to get slim. Yeah, diet and work out and make sure that I'm in a good spot for it.

And watching more of the, watching more of my sets and like actually like making sure things are punched up. But it's a lot of material that's been with me for a while. and it's time, and it's like, it absolutely has to be at the punchline is where I want the first one to be filmed, so it's all coming together, and I'm trying not to get to the place where it's easy to be like,

oh, I can't wait until the day after when I can relax and I'll have it done because the special is like a stressful thing, but I'm trying to just like be stoked about being in the moment. Yeah, looking out of like a wedding. It's kind of an interesting way to do it. Because you're on the road doing these shows every weekend, and it's very much a solo endeavor.

It's you, out there trying to make these people laugh. And then with the special, it's like, oh, my parents will be there. My grandpa's going to go. I told my parents, because I have a lot of friends coming, I told my parents, I was like, maybe just sit this one out. I got a lot going on.

I mean, that's also, because that is the, like, a wedding is stressful. Yeah. And you don't really have to do anything. Yes, but with the wedding, it's also, like, it's not the same as, like, obviously, a special is so much, but the wedding is scary because it's one shot.

Like, at least I can film, I have four takes, to get this one right. I mean, you can get four takes and your wedding. I mean, I wouldn't share that. I wouldn't say that at the wedding. A lot of wealthy men have preferred times four, five, six.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I do like the idea of men treating of marriage like a special. Like on the fourth one, they're like, I think we got it. We got it. I think we got it. Do you like the late show?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Should I do a wild card one more? We should do a crazy one. Let's just do a crazy one. I feel like we got it. We have the buttoned up version. I'm going to take some shots and do it crazy.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's what I'm going to tell my third wife. Like, hey, let me just do a crazy one. I think if you're getting married for the third time, it might be like, let's just get a fucking psycho. Like, although maybe that's how you get to three is you already did two of those. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Should that be illegal getting married for the third time?

I think after a certain point, the state has a step in. It's kind of to save you from yourself sort of thing. The state should step in and be like, hey, you're just not the type of person. The state should mandate that you're just boyfriend, girlfriend. Which really, who does that benefit? It kind of benefits the guy. If he's been married three times And the girl's like, so we can't get married?

And he's like, legally, I can't. I want to. The state doesn't want it. I would have proposed you on day two. The state prefers you as a side chick, quite honestly. That's how we got into this situation. Federally, you're a whore. Yeah.

Look, it's state rules. It's not up to me. I talked to a judge and he said, you're a whore. So, you know. It's above me. Anyway, you want to suck you to do? I'm for that. If I became president, I would say

third marriages are illegal. I would say your wedding vows are legally binding. Yeah. That's another big one for me. Don't lie in your wedding vows are legally binding. I hate when people do it. I will laugh when we watch friends together.

You like want to make sure that that happens. I hate going to a wedding and then people are like, oh, like, I'll love you forever and ever in sickness and health. And then they get divorced. Yeah. Don't. Because that guy was so. dick.

Like, don't lie to me. Just be like, hey, I will love you as long as I want. Or until it gets really tough for like, I'm going to give this a real college try. I love the honesty. Just go, make your wedding vows honest. That's my one way. I will probably love you always, but let's be honest, who the fuck knows? Life is crazy.

Let me stand up here and tell you, I'm going to be this or that. Who knows it? You might not like me. I could be fat in 20 years. You might not like me. You just give her doubt. Yeah. You might not want this at all.

Yeah, and then her vows, I want the same level of honesty. I just want people to be honest in their vows. If you get married and you're like in sickness and health and forever until death do us part, that's it. Yeah. Until death do you part? Kill there. Or kill them. That was the theory.

That is the concept of the wedding was that is what you're doing. And somewhere along the line, people were like, you know, but you know, come on. But if you're not about that life, then switch it up. What are we all going to just make these work? That's my point. Switch it up. Just change the vowels. Do you think less people should get married?

I can't speak to that because it seems like everyone that gets married 50% are just going to split up anyway. Yes, I wonder if that would be less the case if people took it more seriously. I would say if you're not going to have kids, like if you're just like, yeah, that's not for me. That's a completely valid lifestyle choice. Why get married? Yeah. Like to me it's like marriage is kind of for the kids. Like, hey, we're going to have like this family unit.

We're going to get our money sorted out. We're going to have one name. The kids will have one name. that gets it all sort. I also think that some of the commitments that you make during a wedding do increase your chances of solidifying the relationship. Like once you do have, you're under one name and you're doing all this, you're like, oh, it does feel different. It does feel like, yeah, like, I never thought, I was like, oh, it doesn't matter. We're committed. We're committed. And then like, once it happens, you're like, oh, it does hit a little different. Yeah, you need,

it does hit a little different being like, well, my wife, you know. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Once the split of requires more than an Uber, then it's like, all right, there's a little, online and there probably is something good about staying in front of your community and professing or love to another person. I think it, yeah. A healthy social institution. But generally speaking, like if you're just like, yeah, we're not really going to have kids. Like, I'm not religious. Like marriage doesn't really mean anything to me. Like I'm fine when people, yeah. I'm just like, yeah, just like, or just do like a party. And just be like, hey, we're just kind of a big party and everyone's going to come out. We're going to drink. The party, yeah. But like all this like

pomp and circumstance for something you don't even believe. I'm like, what's the point? You think people don't believe it? I mean, if they don't. Like, if you're, like, not religious, like, you just, you're not going to have kids or, like, you don't do the other marriage type things. Yeah, the wedding really has become beyond the, like, I know it's a religious thing in nature, but for people who aren't religious, it's just become, like, a social, like, touchstone. I don't, I don't even know what you would say. Like, it has taken on its own meaning. Like, the wedding is its own institution, whether or not you're religious, you're like, oh, no, this is like. I also have this theory that no one.

This is our thing. This is how we know we're serious and everyone can see. I also don't know if anyone even gets married at the wedding. No one gets married at the wedding. Women get married when they get engaged. Men get married when they have kids. This is my working thought. Did you make that one up?

Yeah, yeah. There's a working part of-res. A lot of dudes who don't have kids yet are like, fuck yeah, dude. Well, that's the thing, because if you're a dude, let's say you get married, you're 28, 30 years old. No kids at all. You get divorced. Like, you never miss a step.

Right. Whereas for a woman, she gets to show all her friends. She's like, I'm engaged. I got married. like da-da-da-da, he loves me, I got chosen. Right. And I don't think it's right, you know what I mean? I'm just saying, this is a social institution, this is what happens.

Right. That's kind of my working theory right now. And so you think until you had the kid, you didn't feel fully like you were married? No. Because I was just like, at any moment this could like end. I mean, not really. I didn't think my wife and I were ever going to split, but because I'm married before God, the one true God. That's right.

What God is bound. Man can not separate. But there is an element socially where it's like, if you just walk away, there's, I could just tell someone in 10 years, like, oh, yeah, I was married back in the day. Yeah, you could do that, but I think that, like, the absolute destruction to your life that you've built together and your, like, families

and your friends, like, it would not be that easy just because you don't have a kid. I think it's easier for dudes, that was my point. Oh, for sure. Because you're like, well, this sucks, but I can smash. Yeah, whereas for women, I think there's an unfortunate social more that if they get divorced, there's like a stain. Whereas for men, they don't have that

stain because of, I don't know, whatever you want to insert there. Oh, that's interesting. yeah I don't know I think I think it depends on like your community and how people feel about it like we live in New York if I found out like I'm obviously not single but if I was like dating and the girl's like yeah I was married

I'm in New York and fucking cares you bet you'd be like and then yeah I'd be like why'd you nag him so much that he left what did you do wrong he was a psychopath who was abusive I'm like but why

Yeah. But why do you think that was? Two sides of every store. Obviously, I wouldn't be like that. But yeah, no, I think it just depends on your community. If you're in fucking Salt Lake. Oh, yeah. Yeah, this is, we're speaking from, like, a very, like, generally white coastal world.

Like, I imagine if you're like any... It's my favorite clothing store, by the way. It used to be called Paxon, but now it's called White Coastal World. And I can get all my favorite billabong gear there. and they always play my favorite white reggae. Dude, sandals with a bottle opener? I was looking for this. Come on, dude.

Thank God. Come on, dude. How else am I going to open my beer with the dirtiest thing ever? Great amusement park, dude, white coastal world, and it's just fucking slightly stupid and sublime bumping. Yeah, dude. Every guy is just like a formerly jacked fat dude and a flatbrim hat who's like, my favorite burrito in San Diego is Rigoberto. I'm just describing San Diego, and I do love it.

And I do love it. In comparison to, you know, minority immigrant world. You know what I mean? And that is a very different social marital structure. It is. You know what I mean? So, like, they probably have different rules. I'm sure there's probably some Muslim did listen to being like,

that's not what- That's not what marriage is for me. Yeah. You know? So, yeah, I don't know. I think that very much, like, Western coastal marriage world is, different, a completely different thing. Yeah, that is true.

It could be different. I heard there was a Mexican guy whose wife got mad at him. She shut off power to his boat. Dude. That sounds like an unfortunate thing to happen. That's a very unfortunate thing to happen. She caught him cheating, dude,

and she shut off power to his boat. That's a little bridge there. My old 1700s Mayflower. That is like the most divorced dad item to have. I feel like, oh, how's your dad these days? He's really into this boat now, ever since mom left. Which also, can we talk about that? The midlife crisis thing?

Yeah. I think is a complete misnomer. You're not going to get a vessel. I am going to get a vessel. But it's like, it is unfair to me that, like, dudes work their whole life. You know what I mean? They're working hard. They're trying to make it in the world, right?

And then, you know, they start a podcast, you know? Yeah. Strike it big. And they try to buy a Corvette. And they finally... Was this desperate? They get enough money to buy a Corvette. Everyone's like, you're going through something.

It's like, no, I was poor for 35 years. Yeah, I can finally have this Corvette. It just looks weird because it's such a pussymobile, and I'm not allowed to have any. It does look odd, though. I remember when I was a kid, I was telling my dad, I was like, he had, like, a solid car, but I was like, dude, why don't you get a Corvette? You know, because I was like, oh, Corvette would be amazing. He's like, well, it's like the same price as mine.

I'm like, then why don't you have it? Then why don't you have it? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Driving a Lincoln like a fucking idiot. Yes, right? And then, like, when he got older, finally he was like, well, think of next car, maybe I get the Corvette. By the time he said it, I was like, in no sense. Will I allow that?

Travesty. Dude, my dad, his dream car was a Bentley. Still, still is. Yeah. But he was always like, you know, I have seven kids. An heir of class in that choice. He's just like, I can't. Bentley.

I mean, it's just crazy. And so he got the Chrysler 300. That is the working man's best. Bently. lived out the Cat Williams bit. I R.L. I watched that bit and I was like, Oh my God. Am I black? I couldn't believe it.

I was like, I have a black dad this whole time. What are the odds? He wanted a Bentley and was like, I'm getting the core of it. Or I'm getting the fucking Christ of 300. And then I inherited it. Really? Yes, I inherited. I drove miles around the shudiest price of 300.

I'm in a fuck Mark Gagnon shirt. Literally, dude. With a, my dad, the one thing that he did to change the car is he put the biggest, like, 18-inch kicker. in the trunk. Black Dad. Yeah, dude. Just to listen to Cascade. That is awesome.

Just to listen to like... I love Cascade. Like early Deadmouse and Cascade. Yes. He was just playing, I remember, in the Crisis Rund to drop me off at school. Fuck yeah. Sick as hell, right?

Yeah, that's incredible. And then I inherited it and then just played Codac. There you go. He just drove miles around playing. Circle of Life. Really, truly. It was the Florida Circle. Yeah.

You have like... I can imagine my dad putting on I remember. remember like that was like you know that was like my formative drug years no oh yeah no you're like this is dad's music that is dad music that will be my child's dad yes i want to open like an old french canadian restaurant i'm gonna name it francois an honor of my dad and it's just gonna be it's gonna be fucking chicken waffles and then cascade yeah and be like yeah it's an older time you know what i mean i'll go to that some people play like sinatra no no no no no dance music cascade one of the greats the classics see my dad took me to go see paul o'clock

When I was like 16 years old, he snuck me into a nightclub and was like, yeah, dude, this is music. Just check this shit out. This is music. That's sick. He got a table for the whole family. Family table at the nightclub. My dad would get family tables regularly. Does he still go out and party?

Yeah. 100%. Your dad rules. He's the man. Yeah. He's an all-time legend. Bro, he, I'm almost positive. I've met your mom.

Does your dad come out to shows and things or no? Not too regularly. You're not a DJ enough. I mean, he comes out to, you know, MSG. Right. I guess he wasn't at Radio City because I swear about your mom. No, he's busy that weekend. He was working.

But no, my mom never goes out. She's up at 8 a.m. to go to Mass. Yeah. So we would go get a table with my dad at 3 in the morning, downtown Orlando. My sister throws up, like, in the backyard, like just shit-faced. And then we'd wake up at 8 a.m. to go to mass with my mom.

Oh, my God. You had to do both? If that doesn't explain me in a nutshell. That is awesome. That is awesome. and that's how you got this podcast, folks. Literally, dude. It is a wild thing. And then, I don't even know.

I was always, I've been trying to think about where, like, the medical neuroses comes in. Like, my, like, because I was, you're mom. I think it is. Yeah. I was talking, is that where it always comes from? Oh. Because I was talking with my buddy Christoph, Christoph, G, a very funny comedian that's been on the road with me. And I was like, yeah, I'm just, like, trying to think, like, he was like, yeah, dude, one day, you're going to, like, he's like, you're going to speak for,

like a, I don't know, like a whole swath of people that are like into, like, health. I was like, what? He's like, yeah, you're going to be like a health guy. It's like, no, no. And meanwhile, what are you reading? Actually, there's a thing with insulin spikes that, uh... I'm, like, coming through my HRV every morning. Yeah.

I'm just like, I'm so hooked and he's like, yeah, no, for sure. But I think it does come from my mom. She's, like, supplement stacking, like, crazy. Yeah, that's where it comes from. I don't know if it always comes from the mom. Mine came from the mom. The funny thing is, like, my mom is an absolute health freak. She's, like, in her mid-70s, she walks, like,

miles every day. She'll like go for a three-hour walk with a friend and then come home be like, does he want to go for a walk? And then like take off. She's, you know, like lifted weights. She was like a yoga teacher and she like studied in India like way back in the day with Iyngar and did yoga stuff. And then my dad likes a drink. And so I kind of have both. So like I party last night and I went to the gym today. That's it. That's a decent balance. That's what it's all about. Trying to try to do both. Work hard, sweat hard. Yeah. Yeah. That's the, I think that's actually strange.

We have that in common. It's always a mix. I mean, like, you're, like, you're obviously your own self, but you have things that you get from your parents via nature and nurture. And then I also believe that, like, some of it is, you know, ingrained. And then some of it is your job to choose the good parts and be wary of the bad parts. And if you can take the better sides of them and move that goalpost forward. and then your kid will do that with you because you're going to have some annoying fucking shit as well.

Dude, I was actually just thinking about this in light of having a young babe at home. I kind of, I've been thinking about it. As well as a child. Hey, you know what I'm saying? But the way I have been thinking about it is like I see it as like a board with all these different dials on it, okay?

And when you're born, everyone's got this big board of dials. And some of them are frozen and they can't move at all. And some of them are not frozen and they're completely malleable depending on the input that you put on them. and so like introvert extrovert your dial might have been frozen

I'm assuming you're an extrovert you would consider yourself an extravert you would be an extrovert in every scenario whether you were adopted by a completely different family or not but for some people that dial is malleable and they're born into a family that's maybe very extrovert and then they kind of dial it up or they're born to a family that's not and their dial goes down

and I think it goes for every personality trait down the board where some of them are just frozen where that's what they're built with and then some of them is external and nature and nurture and then you don't know which is which that's fascinating and it's all reminds me of a Buddhist concept, which is basically like you have a bunch of seeds of everything.

And it's like your duty to decide which ones you're going to water and not. And so like you have seeds of good behaviors, bad behaviors, parts of you that you could unlock or not. And it really depends on what you decide to water and nurture. Yeah. It's weird when you have a kid too

because you're looking at it. You're like, did you get that from me or is that just you? I talked to. Like what level of this do I need to like put effort in to like, I want you to be the best possible, but how could I do that in a non-annoying one? Because you also don't know what they're going to come downloaded with. Right.

So like my son might be just like a malleable introvert extrovert dial. And if I am like, oh, should I think about making a more extroverted? Is that a more positive quality or is it just what it is? My wife is more introverted. Like I don't think it's a negative quality. But like, just by being around me

will that dial get changed? Right. Or is he just a fixed introvert or a fixed extrovert and nothing I do will change it at all? And it's like you have no idea. You have no idea. I talked to this anthropologist that adopted a daughter, and she had made this comment where she was like, it was really nice adopting because every trait that my daughter had, I just saw it for who she was.

At no point was I inflicting my own ego onto my kid being like, you're stubborn because of your dad, or you're stubborn because of me, or whatever. It's just like, you're just stubborn. Right. And you can kind of remove yourself, which I actually think is like a help. Yeah, you can kind of, you know, with your partner, be like, well, those biological parents are the fucking problem.

Yeah, those folks in Wisconsin. Boy, we got some wild jeans on this fucking lunatic, huh? Exactly, which I think is almost a better way to approach kids. Just like pretend they're adopted. Stop applying your own ego to me. Just be like, hey, you are your own human, and I'm going to do my best to make you the best human you can be. Yeah.

And not inflicting my own self or like, oh, I hate the things about you that are similar to me, that bring up my own insecurities or vice versa. Right. So I'm like trying to do that now. I'm like, okay, I'm just going to try to make you. That's tough. I mean, that's the thing that happens with, you know, a lot of parents. Of course.

You see your kid is so much like you I mean I feel like most kids do this with their parents Like the parent that you're most like Is the one you butt heads with You know what I mean? Yeah And so I'm like okay I'm just gonna just accept you

For whatever the thing is that you are And then try to make you as good of a human as possible Do you think your parents were like Considering these sorts of things When raising you? I think psychology was invented in 2007 Dude okay right I don't know if these comments

conversations were happening. I could be completely wrong about that. I'm speaking out of school, but, like, yeah, even the concept that a dad cares enough to think about it, it feels potentially new. And I see these articles that, you know, I can never totally tell if it's true or not,

but there will be these articles every once in a while that are like, you know, millennial dads are spending, like, 95% more time with their children. The bar is so low. I'll walk around my baby strapped to my chest, and the amount of, like, men that will come up to me, like, old dudes and be, like, man, I wish I did this.

Really? And I'm like, what do you mean? They'll just come up to you and say that? And then women will come up to me and be like, you're the best dad. And I'm like, you're like, all I did is not drop it and brought it to a coffee house. Little do you know, I was gone for three days and I got shit faced on the road and now I'm back. You know what I mean? Like little duped in a Portland main Airbnb. Allegedly. And they blamed it on my friend. But like, they'll see me and be like, oh, you're the best dad. And I'm assuming this is like from a bygone era where women just raised kids and the dad's worked and they never really conflated them.

There's a guy that goes to the coffee shop that we go to. He's an older dude. And he was like, yeah, I never did this with my kid. He's like, I never even crossed my mind. And I wish that it did. I wish that I... Just bringing it like to a coffee shop for just the morning. And just hung out with my baby. Like I only like invested time to my kid once they were like eight, nine, ten. But prior to that, it was just like, oh, you are your moms. Boy, how layoff. nine years of like that's woman stuff that was the whole

that was just like it needs to throw a ball now all right finally that was like all of America until very recently I think I think also some of some of it is we've become more emotionally intelligent there's more information

there's more demands but also like for a lot of people I mean I think about my grandpa's era it was like they were at war and then like came back and were the only sole provider

for the house so it was like you go make all the money you go do all the kid shit yeah and uh yeah probably a lot of that is due to the fact like women couldn't really work back then so it's like you had to do everything right and so if you can't work then you have to take care of the kids it didn't strike me that

like they were off fucking off you know what I mean like it was yeah they were busy yeah but it was just like a completely different like like structured how kids should be raised, I think. Yeah. And so now I walk around with the kid

and everyone's like, wow, you're the best. And I'm like, you have no idea. I'm a real piece of shit. A little do you know. And that's all it takes.

You've got to walk around with the kid in your chest. Also, people are so nice, specifically in the city. Like, it's shocking how kind people are. You're the only one with a baby.

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, there's a couple. Every now and again, like, you'll do like the dad and head nod. Yeah. You're doing a dad thing in New York City?

Yeah. Yeah. You see another dad. you're like, you're like, you're like a black dude abroad. You know what I mean? You see another black guy like, what's up? You know what I mean? So it's like me like seeing a dad.

Like, hey. And yeah, you just walk around with them and people are, I've never been respected more. It is crazy. Like little kids are celebrities. Yes. Like they have a celebrity aura around them. Just being a cute kid, people see you. They're like, oh my God.

And it highlights like a version of if someone's in a coffee shop and they just see you, they're like, it's a fucking hippie. And then, but if they see you with a baby, They're like, that's uninvolved father. That's a good, yeah, yeah. But I'll walk around with the baby, and people are so respectful. Like, I'm crossing the street. There's this dude, face tattoos, sitting in his car, blasting music.

Yeah. 7.30 a.m. I'm walking across the street. He sees me, stops the car, like at the crosswalk, stops, turns the music down. I walk past. Thank you, sir. I felt like A-Rod, dude. People just like.

Yeah. Tip of the gas. Dude, it was amazing. I feel like the mayor of New York. Everyone was just so nice. I think that's a Jeter commercial. What's the difference? It was a large difference.

Name the starting lineup. Batting second. Derek Jeter. I watched some of the Subway series at a bar last night because it was Yankees Mets. And it was fun. It was fun getting into baseball. It does feel like old-timey. Yeah, yeah.

It's like watching. And then like the Yankees won and they're playing Sinatra. in the bar and I was like, that's five. That's cool. Is your first baseball season in New York? It's not. I actually watched the Yankees losing the playoffs at that same bar last year, but it's fun. I want to go to some games. I actually am thinking of going to the Knicks like playoff game one watch party on Wednesday. Where? I think that outside of MSG, they have like hundreds of people standing out there.

And I'm kind of curious to like check. I don't know if I'll want to watch the whole game there, but I kind of want to just check it out. It's free and just see the energy out there. Joey, if you show up outside of MSG to the next watch party, you're going to watch the whole thing. And I would love that. And maybe I will do that. I don't think they'll let you leave.

They'll be like, no, no, no, you have to watch this whole thing. Get in here. Yeah, good. And you're going to be stuck in the most mosh. It's exciting. Like nothing awakens a city like some sports success. Yeah, I'm weirdly getting invested. I feel almost...

Do you want to go to the watch party? You won't go. I want to. I want to do everything. Yeah. You have to be a father. I hang with my kid and do pods and do stand-up, and that's all. Yeah, so you don't have the kid.

Yeah, it sounds nice. Yeah. Oh, let's bring the kid. Yeah. That would actually be crazy. What time is the game? It's late. Yeah, it might be.

Probably like eight. Yeah, it's past his bedtime. Yeah. But you can sleep on me, right? Yeah. Baby where he sleeps. Yeah. That's fine.

Yeah. Well, Joseph, thank you so much for joining me. Thanks for having me, Mark. Yeah, come out and see me on the road. Joey overreverre.com slash live. Check out my podcast, The Joey Show. This was great. Any time.

Yeah, this is fun. And this is kind of a deviation of our typical format. Again, the thought process of this for anyone that's still tuned in is doing episodes that are kind of a little bit more topical, a little bit more current. And just kind of like, I don't know, talking to the folks. I'll be honest, I was very happy with some of the feedback on some recent episodes. We had this guy, Honest Ave in here last week. You got one in here this week, too, brother. Yes, you guys are both superstars.

from very different backgrounds. But, yeah, dude, Dave was amazing. The feedback I got from the episode was really sick. So I appreciate everyone that dropped a comment or even came to the show. There was a guy that came to the show

that was like, dude, I never heard of this guy, Honest Dave, and I listened to the pod, and I thought it was cool. So I checked out the music, and I listened to the whole album alone in my truck and cried the whole time.

Whoa. And I was like, whoa, that's sick as hell. Like, the idea that I put someone onto something that unlocked a feeling for it. I'm like, dude, that's the coolest thing ever. It's incredible. People have come out to my shows and been like, I heard you on camp. No. Yes.

Really? Yeah. I'm blown away by that. Shout to some of the homies at Zany's Chicago. Yeah. They were like, love you on camp. Dude, the hands-free fleshlight, I think, resonated across. The hands-free fleshlight was, yeah.

I guess I got a flashlight reference in this one, too. Human fleshlight this time. So we're really building a beautiful... And we're looking for sponsorship from fleshlight. If you guys want to keep these references wrong. Nolan. And then even the episode I did my buddy Christoff on the road out in the patch of grass somewhere, we recorded outside of a hotel in Alpharetta, Georgia. It turned out to be a great combo. We talk about Universe 25 and the feedback on that was great as hell. I'm trying to think. Universe 25. That seems like a long question. I'll send you the link. I'll send you the link. But yeah, I mean, the people, people are being very funny. They're like, this is the closest pod we've had to actually camping outdoors. Yeah. That was from Chafat 2, 19. 3-28. And then I'm trying to think

there were some other funny ones that people liked. People were like, yeah, when are you interviewing the Pope? It could happen. Yeah, he's like a, he's a homie. Chicago boy. Yeah, he's from fucking Shideon.

White Sox fan. The fact that he went to Villanova along with like some of the worst girls from my high school is so fucking hilarious. Which is just proof that he needs to be Pope. Yeah, 100%. If he can survive Villanova, if he can handle Villanova, he won't be tempted

by anything. Yeah, I mean? Yeah. Finally found the zipper for the tent. It says Terriaki God. Well, I would love to know what you guys thought of this episode. Please drop a comment. I will be reading all of them, the good and the bad, and the sexual.

So try to make them all good or sexual. Thank you guys so much. There's been another episode of Camp. I'll see you later. Peace with you. What's up, people? Quick announcement. If you are a fan of Camp Gagnon or Religion Camp,

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