Camp Gagnon - BLOODY CULTS: Ant Hill Kids, Manson, Jim Jones AND MORE

Episode Date: October 17, 2024

Charles Manson, Ant Hill Kids, Jim Jones, Heavens Gate: These are just some of the truly evil and diabolical cults that have ever existed, and today I'm chilling with my homies and exploring all of the craziest ones. So come chill a while, and welcome to camp.🏕️ JOIN S'MORE CAMP INNER SANCTUM HERE (FREE): https://camp.beehiiv.com/Edited and produced by: Christos PapastefanouThanks to our sponsors Proton VPN, Morgan & Morgan, Prizepicks and BluechewGET UP TO 64% DISCOUNT OF PROTON VPN - ht...

Charles Manson, the Branch Divideons, Jim Jones and the People's Temple, Heaven's Gate. These are just some of the most feared and morbid cults in America over the last 50 years. And today, we're breaking down all. That's right, I've gone through all the cults that have ever existed in America and around the world, and I've broken down all the stories, all the interesting and morbid facts, what the cult leaders have done to amass of following, how they abuse their organizations, and how they eventually were caught, killed, were taken down. If you were interested in the dark, morbid stories of the occult,

how leaders consolidate power, how they manipulate their followers, and how they eventually get taken down. This is the episode for you. So, chill out in the tent for a while. Grab a drink with the boys. Put your feet up. Maybe light one, if that's your style. And welcome to camp.

What's up, people, and welcome back to camp. This is tent talks. This is a show where I explain the most fascinating, interesting and amazing stories from around the planet to my dumbest friends. And, oh boy, tighten up your helmets, ladies and gentlemen we got some real cran eaters in here today

David, David Sanchez, welcome What's up guys? You help out with flagrant stuff and do ads, but also just a friend from Florida. Yeah, it was just a Florida. I mean, at this point, yeah. Thank you for joining the program

for the first time. I'm honored to be here. And I would also like to introduce. I need a theme song, dude. I mean, yeah, 100% God. You've been on probation for a month. Yeah, why?

Because everyone hates you. You try to ruin my show. Why do they hate me? Because you're being, a scumbag. I haven't read a single comment. What are they saying? What are they possibly saying? To this day. I mean, it's been like a month and some change. If I'm drinking, I'm reading this comment. It's like crying, laughing with people because they're still happening. Two days ago, they'll be coming up. You're a piece of shit, I want you not. Okay. That's fine. But today I've

decided to reverse the order against the council of all of the people listen to this program. All seven of them. I said, you know what guys? Overridden. I'm bringing Miles back on. He's going to redeem himself. Yeah. I bet you he's going to be very open-minded. He's going to be not so smug. And he's going to... Don't be so judgmental. He's going to be, I think he's going to be a little bit more of a truth secret today. Yeah. All right, let's go for it. I don't think we're going to be talking about goofy white people, right? Oh, my God. You know who became one just recently? Who? Me? I've been goofy. What do you mean? Now, but now you've got a kid. You're about to be one of those goofy white parents I was talking about. Oh, yeah. That's probably true.

A thousand percent. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm going to have to talk you down from some like weird places. My kid already, I think he's like exhibiting signs of past life. Yeah. Of a past life. Oh.

It's either he's going to be a genius or he's got a past life. He has a, he's both. Okay, cool. What's his past life? He was a smaller baby. About five days ago.

Yeah, he's like, I remember I was in a dark place. It was in the womb. But no, I, yeah, I'm fully radicalized from this moment, from having a child. Is this the first time

you're announcing on your show that you? Yeah, for all the people listen to this show, I have a kid. I did it. Not gay. Not gay. It's awesome. The kid? The kid is not gay either. Neither those are gay.

Well, this is the thing. I want to support your kid just in case. I was having this weird dilemma yesterday. I was like, do I move to like a farm upstate or something and bring my kid and raise him up there? No. Because on the one hand, I was like, you raise him up there. He's like working on the farm. He's like moving, you know, logs and stuff. Yeah. Or something. He's a logger. Yeah. Yeah. We do like illegal logging.

And like he would kind of earn his stripes. that way. Or I was like, do I raise him in the city and make him like a little city kid? And I was like, I think he's more likely to just be on TikTok all day up on the farm and then just become trans or something. On the farm. Yeah. I think farm kids have a higher chance of just being weird than someone that grows up in like Park Slope or Brooklyn. Yeah, I would raise your kid in the city because then it's going to, they're going to turn out like Archer. And Archer's sick. And Archer's sick. It's kind of a sick, swaggy kind of guy. Yeah. Yeah. All right. What are we talking about. Yeah. We're talking about

Colts. Nice. Nice. We're talking about the craziest Colts in history. I've been fascinated by Colts, obviously. Why is the smile? Because I know you guys are up to something. It's fucking pissing me up. No, me and Miles, me and Miles love the Colts. Yeah. Are we

talking about like Peyton Manning? You think I'm talking about football? Are we not? You did the bit so bad. Yeah, I know, we didn't rehearse. We didn't rehearse at all, but you gave, I was not going to do it. You were talking about the Indianapolis football team? The Colts? Yes, formerly of Baltimore.

I set him up yesterday because I didn't think I was going to be on this pod. I was like, dude, you got to go in and just be like, did the craziest Colts? Oh, dude, I know the craziest Colts. Oh, six. Pat McAfee. Yeah, you guys go back. Marvin Harrison. Went into the river.

You go, ah, the Manson family. He goes, no, no, Manning family. But you let the book. But what's great is that? But why did him do that? He goes, are we going to do the bit? I was like, all right, well, it's over. But we didn't rehearse it.

I didn't think I was going to be on here. It was supposed to be you. Yeah, but I couldn't have done this without you. That's a good point. I couldn't have done this. So that's, yeah, Colts. Nice. What's up, guys?

We're going to take a break really quick because I'm coming on the road. That's right. Pots Town, PA, Friday, November 8th, 2024. I'll be at Seoul Joles. You can come see me do one hour of stand-up comedy, nothing more and nothing less. It's going to be an amazing time. And if you're not near, if you're not near Potstown, don't worry because I'm coming to Stanford, Connecticut. I'm going to New York Comedy Club.

That's right. They have a bunch of amazing clubs in the city. And also, an amazing one in Stanford, Connecticut, November 13th. If you want to come hang out, come hang with me, say what's up. I'll be talking to everybody after the show. We'll be doing an hour of comedy, guys. Stand up comedy. It's my passion. It's what I love to do when I'm not inside this tent. So come kick it with me. A bunch of crazy stories. We'll have a great time. You can find the link at my Instagram. Get it in the story. I'll put it in the description.

I can't wait to see you guys there. Let's get back to the show. Hey, guys, really quick. Did you know that on this day in history in 1582, Pope Gregory introduced the Gregorian calendar which most of the world still uses today. Or that in 1957, the Soviet Union launched Sputnik won the first artificial satellite into orbit. This event triggered the space race between the USA and the USSR. I learned these facts pretty recently, actually, on the Smoor Camp newsletter. That's right. Smoor Camp, the inner sanctum. For this kind of show, we do a ton of research. I have different researchers and friends that help me find information and not everything can make the episode. Either it's like too crazy, it's too like weird or

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check it out in the description or this QR code right here. Now let's get back to the show. Do you care about cults? Have you ever been in a cult? Do you know anything about cold? No, they're cool. They're very cool.

Good. This is a good start. They're interesting. I went to a Buddhist temple once that was kind of cultish. But I just a religion. It isn't a white Christian. No, I went, some guy used to work out with name Aki, this Japanese guy.

That's not true. I swear to God, I tell him his number. The Aki Way? The Aki Way. Sashimi? Sashimi? The Akiways, he flips the shrimp. Dancerp. And he invited me to the Buddhist temple every Saturday.

And then one week he's like, you like the strokes, right? I'm like, they're my favorite. He's like, well, the bass player runs the temple with me. And you should come next time. You know the strokes, right? Well, I'm going to go out in the basement. at this Buddhist temple. But I went and it was a bunch of people crying

and it felt cultish. Oh wow. It felt very cultish. I love Buddhist Buddhism though. Yeah, I feel like you don't. I feel like you said as a cult. No, no, no. But you bring me up into a great question.

What does the difference between a cult and religion? Size. Size matters. Size matters. I think there's a couple things. According to the definition from, I don't know, Google. Yeah. US Cove.

Authoritarian leadership. That would make something a cult versus religion. You got to have like, one guy that's like, hey, I'm exerting myself into your life. Jesus Christ, okay. I don't know he's a thwarted. Yeah, he flipped tables one time. Yeah, he had that, I like that story in the Bible.

He had that one meltdown in the market. Yeah. He had a meltdown. Oh, he had a big meltdown. Legendary moment. He goes in the temple, they're all selling goods in the temple. And he starts flipping shit. And he's like, you're really selling shit.

And my father's Alex Jones. I think they'd be a sick video. It's like, like, that scene. Do punked where we're going to public? dressed as Jesus and start flipping shit. Yeah, that'd be a sick scene in a movie, it sounds like. Like a guy pissed off that is like his thing is being used poorly. You know what they made...

Jesus is... His most famous guy ever. There's a book, but it's not very well written. There's passion of the Christ. He's like, dude, they should make a religion about this guy. They should make a better book about this guy. Or you know something? This is why everybody hates you.

Isolation is another big component of cults. So we kind of like pulling people away from their families. Some religions do that. Yeah. Unorthodox beliefs, like some type of like apocalyptic visions, extreme ideologies. Some religions do that. That's kind of a crossover. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You're explaining religion right now. Yeah, maybe I...

Yeah, you can be the bad guy. I'll be the bad guy. Yeah, what the hell? That's fine. No, Mark, you sound so smart. Control of information. Mm-hmm. And basically having like one sole leader who is effectively calling himself a prophet in some capacity. So it sounds like it's just like a dictator

over a small subset of people. Yeah, I think that's probably right. Yeah, size wasn't... No, size is generally true. I mean, some people disagree, but like every early, early religion, even the ones we have now, if you look at them like way back in it,

you'd be like, it's kind of a cold. Yeah. But then they get big enough and get some infrastructure and they're not maybe so like autocratic, and you're like, oh, maybe this is all right. How many Mormons are there in the world?

It can't be a lot. A couple million? I think Mill? And they're doing a real hard work and more. So, yeah, I bet there's, more. Yeah, of course. Over under 5-mell. Under. Over. Worldwide? Worldwide? Under. Easy. Where do Mormons exist outside of the U.S.? Everywhere. That's their whole point? 17 million. Yeah, thank you. Worldwide? Yeah. Suck my... How many Jews are there worldwide?

Okay, see, this is how it starts. All of our conversations always go this way. No, but like, there's like not that many Jewish people worldwide. Over under? Over under 50 million. 30 was under. Under. Under. I'm going on. You also have to forget the Catholics dominate this shit. What? What is it? Is that just in America? Because this seems very small.

Exactly. There's not that many Jews in the world. Yeah. How many? They're all in Boca Raton or Israel. 15.2 million Jews. Wow, there's more Mormons. Wait, say it again?

15.2. Worldwide. Yeah. More Mormons. You're more likely to run into a Mormon than a Jew. What are the odds? Well, it depends on where you are. We go 10 blocks south.

Yeah. Very likely. Very likely. Maybe they might hit you. They don't drive that good. They're horrible drivers. No, they're horrible drivers. So you got to be careful.

Head on a swivel down there. Okay, so Colts. Colts. We're going through the 10 craziest ones. Have you heard of the Ant Hill kids? No. Some of these Colts are crazy. No, they covered smooth criminal.

Oh, alien and hill kids? Yeah, alien antin'al kids. Yeah, they're a great band. I mean, I like that. I thought that was nice. It's just funny. He looked at me from... We talked about it two weeks ago.

You looked at me for the joke. You went to trivia with your mom in Sarasota a month ago. Oh, that was a question. That's the second place. There's a big alien. And I could have got first place. And I put Alien Ant Farm. And for some reason, I thought they changed the title from Smooth Criminal to Annie,

are you okay in my head? Fucking Bozo. Got it wrong. What? Yeah, I got it wrong. What was the question? Like, what is? They played the song.

And then they were like, what's the song? And my mom's like, I think it's Smith Criminal. I was like, no, I swear this band changed the title, like as a cover joke. and I got it wrong. But we did get second place. What? Why would, why would you do that?

I don't know. Because, okay, you saw how we did last episode. He's like, no, I'm right. Oh,

yeah, that is a good point. No, mom, you don't know what you're talking. That is a good point. Actually, I was five years old

when this came out. Goofy white lady. You don't know anything about Michael Jackson. Okay, you're not cultured. Yeah. Speaking of what shit,

do they survive? Is everyone alive? Yeah, everyone's alive. I still have not talked to my father. Oh, No, I talked to him late last night. He was like, it was crazy.

I slept in the hall. And I was like, nice. Did he have to sleep in the other? The second half of the storm, apparently, it was like pretty brutes. Oh, really? Mm-hmm. My grandmother's still alive, but she thinks that the government's withholding FEMA funds for illegal immigrants. Oh, yeah.

I have an uncle who said, why are there no pictures out of the Yucatan Peninsula of this hurricane? Interesting point. What? He thinks it got started. by Mexico. They're not sending their best. They're sending hurricanes. It's like a U.S. government ops that we started a hurricane to hit Florida twice. I'm willing to learn about this theory, but I also want to learn about this cold. I'm open. I'm open. We're distracted. I've literally texted my mom yesterday. I said,

hey, do you have any information about the government creating storms? And she sent me a whole doc. She was like, I'm not even joking. Look at this. She was like, yeah, look at this. If you ask you a birth certificate, what would come faster? If you ask those two questions. There's three photos of me as a baby. There's hundreds of threads She's like looking to this guy The markets, Figilant Fox She's like if you get you gotta get Dane Wigington on

Get Dane Wigington and he's gonna explain to you why And I'm like, all right, maybe This is probably fucking true That's the crazy thing That's a crazy last name This is just three Floridians talking Yeah Our three families are from different parts of Florida

But we all have the same beliefs Yeah The People's Temple The People's Temple Have you heard of that one? Florida Yes What do you know about that?

No, no, Jim Jones? Jim Jones. Jim Jones. Went to Guinea? Yeah. Fuck yeah. You fucking are nailing this. All right, perfect. Have you heard of this?

This is the famous one. I know how it ends. Don't drink the cool. This is Jones Towns Massacre. Yes. Got it. I didn't know the original name. I thought that was Children of God or something.

Mm. People's Temple. I mean, it's kind of a good title. Like, most of these Colts have great brand. Yeah. I thought about this. I was joking with a friend recently about like, Colts have the coolest names.

It's like awesome. Yeah, the big ones. I mean, we're going to go through. Marvin Harrison. Yeah, fuck, I was going to say it. I was trying to do a setup. We're editing all this. This guy, Jim Jones, he founded the people, not the rapper Jim Jones.

This is a different guy. Founded the People's Temple in 1955. Mike Jones? I guess where he founded this cult? Florida? Wait, what? You mean Mike? No, I mean Jim Jones.

I don't know the rapper Jim Jones. Oh, is that the only? Yeah. Oh, I don't know. Did you know? I don't know. I don't know. Mike Jones?

I thought you're doing a joke about it. Mike Jones? Who? Mike Jones! Oh, wow. It's like we planned it. We're never going to get through this. Guess what this guy said of this cold.

Just if you had to take a wild, wild guess. Flata. Flada. Flada. No, Indianapolis, Indiana. Home with a Colts. And he had a message of racial equality. When I first read this, I thought it was racial inequality.

I was like, hang on a second. It's a strange platform to run on. But now, racial equality and social justice. And he painted. a division for a utopian society where everyone could live in harmony, free from discrimination. It's hard to make a cult back in the day. This is in like the 50s and 60s. He's just got to go door to door and get people to join his cold and be like, hey, we don't hate black people. And they're like, all right, fine, we'll join. Do you think they're peaked at a certain point,

cults? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, I think they're just got to Scott Jennings. And I think I told you about on Flayor. And he's like, yeah, they're just all Facebook mom groups. Oh, okay, fair. Oh, yeah, yeah, this Utah mom thing. I bet you there's more cults now. I mean, like, fucking Q-Anon. Yeah. Like, they have some great points. But I feel like Colts back in the day used to fucking ride for them. Yeah, that's a little bit more like, I'm in a cult. Yeah, like, they would never, you know, storm the Capitol on Jane 6th. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You can't do that today. So this is older than I expect. I, for some reason, thought Jones Town was like the 90s. Well, it started in 55. How long did they... But it really started cracking around 78.

Jesus Christ, with 23 years. Yeah. Okay. The people like being in a cult. That's what they don't Tell you about Colts. That shit is fire. There's usually that tipping point where, like, everything's great. And then everyone you know dies. And then everyone you know dies. But right before that is where it's the best. Yeah.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's darkest after the dawn. Is that what they said? Anyway, basically, he goes on to do this little church, and he's like, you know, growing his personality is extremely charismatic, and then he's got to move it. And I think he ends up moving it to California, and then he's got to move it again. I think they're in San Francisco and he's like, you know what, fuck it, we're moving it. Because of prosecution from the local area?

Okay. Okay. And so they got to move it to Guyana in the mid-1970s. This is one of those three like northeast provinces of like South America. Exactly. Okay. And he's got a lot of people. Like I got to look at the exact numbers, but it's like 900 followers that go with him from America to Guyana.

And just from door-to-door sales. Literally. Door-to-door, yeah. And he's fucking like all of them. I think so. I don't know. I mean, I don't know why he'd be a coal leader and not smash. I think that's the whole benefit of being a cool leader.

Colt leaders that you're so impressionable on these young women that you get to just fuck them. See, I wonder if... Sounds like a good gig. I wonder if Hinge stopped cults because it's like, oh, I can just get pussy easier. Yeah, that's a good point. I don't have to go to Guyana and murder everybody, you know? Yeah. It seems way easier just to go on Hinge.

So basically, he goes down to Guyana, which is kind of like, yo, Ghana, like, get your shit together. Why are you just letting anyone go in there and start a cult? I think they had other things to deal with. Like, what? colonization. Yeah, colonial. This is colonization. It's like, hey, we're going to come into your land

and kill everybody. I mean, that's not what they... Yeah, they brought their own to kill this. Yeah, yeah. That's actually kind of awful. And that wasn't the angle. Say, hey, we're going to be our own people. Sure, fucking, who cares?

There's a field over there. Don't kill our guys. And basically, when they're in Guy on it, this is where things go crazy. He creates, like, this atmosphere of constant surveillance. People are, like, afraid for their lives. And then it basically culminates

in November, 1978. congressional delegates visited Jonestown because they got a tip that there was like abuse happening and a cult like what are the odds

they go down there they have 900 people where they sort of like a known like famous cult before this in America because there was like news coverage

sort of like in local communities but obviously news is much more fragmented I don't think they're like mainstream like you know Sunday night ABC news but like

the Indianapolis star is covering and then like the San Francisco Gazette is like these motherfuckers. Okay. And then the Guyana fucking coconut squirrel. I don't know. I don't know what they have down there. Sorry, Guyana. But basically, they

have this delegate go down there. The second the delegate lands on the plane, I bet you they're having a conversation on the plane, like, okay, we're going to go down. There's, isn't it a cult, let's just go see and exonerate them and keep it moving. The second they land. Just bullets flying. Just get, everyone gets shot. Yeah. Oh, really? Yeah, they attacked all the officials.

The delegates get murdered. And then they're like, oh, shit. They try to fly away. They, they mow them down. They, like, send, like, soldiers from the cult to go shoot them in Guyana. Kill them on the tarmac. Yes. Wow.

On the tarmac. I've seen that, that... Have you ever seen what that area looks like, what Jonestown looked like? It's literally just a landing strip and then, like, just tense. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's gnarly. Yeah. In the middle of, like, the jungle.

It's like Bonaroo. Yeah, yeah, yeah. If you just put a DJ there, yeah. But it ended, like, the country festival in Vegas. Fuck. thought that would get a false flag is that what you mean let's just look into that

okay let's change this whole episode have you ever looked into that too much too much is it please go back a crazy guy and arms deal gone wrong who knows MK Ultra victim

coming next wait I don't know they killed the so this is where it bucks off basically yeah that day Jason Aldean was on stage and they land the plane yeah and

They already had heard that there's a congressional delegate company. Yes. And they'd like rally the boys, go out there with guns, shoot the- Murder all of them on the-tarm. Jesus Christ. There's like women, there's like assistants that are like secretaries to the delegate or some shit. They get mowed down. Like, I think the pilots get, like, everyone just gets clipped.

Like, they just kill everyone. And then I imagine news gets back to America. Yeah. I mean, then it's like a national story. Yeah. And then you send the actual, like, yeah. And then they're like, all right, let's send the actual boys down there. Yeah.

Send the, you know, let's form a banana company. Yeah. Go into Central America and maybe we can take it over. No, they were like, all right, let's go down there and see what the fuck's going on. Yep. And that is basically the exact moment that Jones decided, you know what? We're going to make a concoction, a cyanide-laced flavor aid of grape drink. Yeah.

And everyone's going to just have a sip. It actually wasn't Kool-Aid. It wasn't Kool-Aid, which is the- Great, great branding from Kool-Aid. Or the worst? No, of course. because it has to be good. They weren't drinking Kool-Aid,

and now the phrase is, don't drink the Kool-Aid for the rest of time. Yeah, but I feel like if you're a Kool-Aid brand, you're like, no, drink Kool-Aid. I think any publicity is good publicity. Yeah. I mean, both points do make sense that, like, it is bad, but awesome.

Oh, yeah. That's so good. So, the Jones Town guy hears that the military is coming. Well, they don't actually have plans in the military, but after he's like, oh, we're under investigation and we just murdered U.S. delegates, we got to all go see God immediately. That's a little preemptive, honestly. I thought

they were like banged down the door. He thought it was going to be Waco Branch Davidian. They literally just stepped off the plane. They could have played it cool for an hour and a half. Weekend at Bernie style, like, hey, everything's fine, and then they would have left. Yeah. So on the, basically within the same weekend, they kill everyone? Yeah. Yeah. Wow. Okay, so this is sort of

like, I'm not even joking, like, preemptive a little bit. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Things go fast. I'm assuming that they probably had other tips like, hey, the Guyanese government's kind of curious. Like, a lot of people are looking into you. Got it. They also, yeah. I can't imagine, like, everything was great harmony. Like, there's, like... There's also probably, like, levels of escalation that were about to happen. The American government calls and says, hey, can you send, like, a couple of paramilitary guys down there now? Like, securing the border. Like, yeah, okay. Crazy. I have a question.

Were these cult members majority black? I don't know what the racial demographics are. There are a handful of black people because again his like platform is like racial unity and parody so like it was attractive But it just sounds weird that it's like hey We're gonna live in a That's Kool-Aid

You fucking racist piece of shit I was waiting You fucking scumbag Why can't you just let something be Why can't you just let something be a historical fact? It's weird that he's like He's preaching racial equality And then just gets like 90% white people

To live in the same community Um 45% of Jonestown's residents were black women 70% of Jones Town's population was black. Okay, there you go. Then this makes sense. But fucked up though. But

has it fucked up? He was trying to give them like a better life. He murdered 900 black people. I mean, what was their afterlife thing? Like there had to be like Yeah, what was the promise? Let me find out. Also, Mark, did you and I might be mixing this up.

Didn't you give like a high school report on Jonestown that went pretty south? I did and I was in a bad place. Emotionally mental, I was just in a really dark spot in my time. Racially insensitive comment. No, basically we had to give. This is a great story. I'm in like a scholarship group. Oh yeah, this is in college, yeah?

I'm in college. I love this. And to get scholarship money, we had to do this program, okay, where it's like a social justice initiative. Basically, take like another class. You take another class, but you also do an X amount of volunteering hours. Yeah, yeah. Basically on probation. Okay.

Like, I just have to like serve the community for a certain amount of hours. And I volunteered the coalition for the homeless, which is a great organization in Orlando, Florida that helps homeless and unhoused people. They used to do stand-up sets for homeless people, right? Yeah, it doesn't matter how I helped them. No, but you did. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. I bring Mark to the sauna and he's doing bits.

Oh, yeah, I was working some of that. But didn't you actually do stand-up, like, actual, like, stand-up nights at the homeless shelter? For the homeless? That's how I do it. That sounds so fun. Hey. Is there any video of this? There's probably some video.

We have to find this. There is some video. And some of the guys walked out. I remember during Marcus Crespo's set. He's in the homeless shelter. And Marcus Crespo looks like he could be homeless also. They were like, oh, one of us. One of the members of the community.

Walking homeless people at your comedy. That's hilarious. He walks out, bust out of the room. He's like, this is bullshit. I can't believe this. And I was like, what's wrong, man? And he's like, the profanity. Wow.

And I was like, you do heroin. He's like, I'm not going to let this film. people are pretty stuck up. I remember I gave my leftovers to a homeless guy and he's like, did you eat this? I'm like, yeah, he's like, I don't want it. Well, that's not stuck up. He still have dignity as a homeless person. I'm not going to eat what you ate. Yeah, how proud, how proud are you that you're not going to take free food? Right. How much, how much of them was left? Half. What kind of food? What was it? It was fresh kitchen from Florida? You'd be in a fresh kitchen. But was there like bites out of it and shit? No, it's like a bowl. That's,

Dude, that's so weird that you're thinking that, like, because... You're totally in the wrong. But every time I give a homeless guy weed, they're like, yeah, sure. But food, they just don't take. Decent point. I kind of like the weed thing. You kind of brought me back along there. Yeah, I'm back on.

Sorry, please tell your story that David keeps interrupting. You interrupted, no? Basically, in this class, we had to do a presentation as a great leader. Okay. Hey, do a presentation about a great leader. Oh, God. And I was like, it would be funny to do like a bad leader. So I went down the list and I was like, oh, can't do that guy.

You started at the top. You started with him. Whoa, I'm not going to say who, okay, but I started with a Viennese guy and I was like, well, I can't do him. Vienese. And then I went down the list until I got to Jim Jones. I was like, oh, the rapper? I was like, oh, no, it's actually a cold leader. So I go with that and I didn't, I procrastinating on the whole event.

I did not prep for it at all. And then I was like, oh, shit. Did you know who, like what he did, though? I knew he was a bad guy. But like the whole story. No. Okay. That's fine.

But I had to submit who I was doing it on the week before. So I submitted it. I was like, yeah, I'm going to do Jim Jones. He's a pastor, preacher. And they were like, all right, great. And then the day rolls around. The person who you submitted it to didn't know. I think they were like, all right, sure.

This is Mark being wild. So it's a generic name as well. Yeah, right? Yeah, it could be. And then I don't do anything until the night before. And then I'm like, oh, shit, I have to write a whole research paper and do an entire. presentation in character.

So I decide to start at like two in the morning, stayed up until like 10 in the morning, didn't sleep at all, walk into the classroom, sleep deprived, wearing a collar, like a pastor's collar. Oh,

and I give the presentation. Did you do that as Jim Jones? Yeah. I did the whole thing. I looked exactly like him. Drinks? Purple drink. I almost did,

but I was like, I think this is crossing a line. Oh, that crossed my own personal barrier. And, yeah, there's a photograph of me as Jim Jones. So that might be my black face.

When you were doing the research and writing the paper the night before, was there at any moment you were like... No, you're too committed at that point. Yes. Every time. But you're also too, your pot committed. Like, you have to play. And I'm like, I could switch it around, but I don't know if someone else already has Mottma Gandhi.

So I can't just be like, oh, I'm doing Gandhi now. And it's like, oh, we have three Gondis already. And like, oh, Gandhi touched kids? I should go back to Jim Jones. I don't know what their afterlife was. It was probably pretty sick if you're going to get 900 people to jump off the deep end. Have you ever heard... Have you ever heard his final speech?

Oh, it's... It's eerie. Haunted. Yeah, I've heard this. So eerie. Is this the one where they all put blankets over themselves and, like, there's photos inside the bunk houses? You're saying in a heaven's gate.

Heaven's gate. We're going to get down. Don't even worry. Okay. Yeah, it's eerie, the way he does the whole time. I've seen photos that. They're just bodies laying around. Yeah, it's literally...

Woodstock 99, but everyone's dead. Yeah. Well, people died at what's up 99. Yeah. How many people? Some. Not, you know, 9-900.

Over under five. Under, under, under, five. No, I think, dude, Woodstock 99 was a disaster. Five. You're gonna go, I'm under, I'm under, no, I'm not playing. This is such fun day of over unders. Yeah, sponsored by a prize pick. Three deaths occur at Woodstock 99.

Oh, okay. That's three too many. David DeRosa collapsed in the crowd of watching Metallica and died of hypothermia. It's a good way to go on. It's a fucking sick way. way. Yeah, I also like that his old

obituary rhymes. Can you name every group? DeRosia at Metallica of hypothermia. Yeah. Tara Weaver was struck

and was struck and killed by a car leaving the concert and then Scott Stanley died of cardiac arrest at a campsite from heat exhaustion. How do you die of heat exhaustion and heathermia?

Yeah, the second one is just just a vehicle man's slug that's just an accident. Happened at the concert. Happened at the concert. After, leaving. It doesn't count.

It's like someone dying on 9-11 in a hospital. Uptown. That happened. Oh, there's a crazy one. There's a wild one. There's a guy.

There's two, I think. There's three technically, but the one is crazy where this guy on September 11th is murdered uptown. Like he's like near Harlem. Okay. And he's just like shot in the back and then ran away. Nothing was stolen from, nothing was taken from. And basically the prevailing theory is that this guy, he was like a Polish immigrant or something.

Okay. He was wearing like a camo jacket and saw obviously the tragedy. of September 11th was like, I'm gonna go uptown and kind of just maybe, you know, get some air. Maybe give some space to this. And some guy saw him, was like, oh, are you a terrorist? You have a weird accent, and you're wearing camo. Bang, headshot.

Whoever killed them is the dumbest person alive. There's a woman who like went missing the same day. Yeah. Snieha. Yeah. Wait, did you talk about this, this one specifically? Yeah. Yeah.

That was such a good episode. Oh, thanks. Appreciate it. I mean, compared to this one. Yeah. That one was a banger. I can't wait to see the comments. No, but going back to his speech,

There's this song that I really like, and they intro it with a line from his... You know what I'm talking about? Go outside by... I think the band's called the Colts. And it's... If we can't live in peace, then we will die in peace.

And it's just so weird. Yeah, it's very strange. Like, convincing that many people to kill themselves is a dark thing. Yeah, you're probably a great leader. And I got an A on the project. So, anyway, Heaven's Gate. Heaven's Gate.

Heaven's Gate. This one is just a fan. favorite. Okay. Heaven's Gate is just a classic. You've probably seen some of the branding stuff. I've never heard of it. Let me show you. You've never heard of Heaven's Gate? I've never heard of Heaven's Gate now. You've probably seen sick merch. Like this guy? I've never seen that guy. You've never seen that guy? No. Oh my goodness. I mean he looks like a stand-up guy though. This right here. Yeah, the merch is a little oozy vert. I'm pretty sure made an album cover. Oh, it's, oh my God. Eternal a Take. Exactly. Yeah, yeah. It's based off of this logo. The 90s such a banging album.

And yeah, Heaven's Gate was basically like a they call it technically a UFO religion. Okay. Sick, right? Yeah.

And yeah, they were a popular sort of cult in the 1970s. This guy, Marshall Applewhite and Bonnie Nettles. Great names. Great names. They blended elements

of Christianity, New Age beliefs and peculiar fascination with extraterrestrial life. Okay. And formed this, like, new little religion. And this guy,

Applewhite, was like a real charismatic sort of guy. He himself is a prophet from God, and he had the key to humanity's salvation. Basically, the group's teachings were this. The Earth is a temporary vessel, I believe that, and true believers could transcend to a higher existence aboard a spacecraft hidden behind the Hail Bob comet, which became the focal point of their apocalyptic predictions. Members believe that their earthly bodies were mere containers for their souls. I agree with this.

And to ascend to the next level, they needed to shed their physical forms. I'm on board. The second point really throws it for a loop What? Shed your physical form? No, the comment Sure, the comment You can look past that Where did they start?

I wish Dude, if it was in Indianapolis That would be insane I mean, let me find out Let me tell you right now I don't think we got any good ones Their headquarters were originally in New Mexico And then they moved to San Diego

What's near New Mexico Area 52? Roswell Is the Halebop comet Hallie's comment Am I incorrect in that?

I think so Without searching it or Googling it other than the fact that they're two different names I'm gonna go ahead to say incorrect I don't know

I'm just wondering if like it's shortened No I don't think so I don't know How do you neither How many people were in this cold Over Under No we're not doing over under

350 Well the last one was 900 Yeah, what do you want? Over under? Let's do over under 500. No, 350's also. All right, 500. 500? Under. I would refuse to believe that you can convince 500 people that in a next life you're going to live on a comet. I'm going behind a comment.

Behind a comment. What do you mean behind? Are they on it or behind it? I don't. Are they on the dark side of the comment? 39 adherence. 21 women, 18 men between the age of 26 and 72 are believed to be the ones who died in three groups. over successive days

at the end of this Colts existence. Yeah. Okay. So I would say 39 people died at the height of the cold. Probably there was like some more people. But, I mean, 39 to actually go through to the end. And how did they convince these people?

Like, who are these people that are going to convince? Is there like a maybe like a makeup? I know you talked to this other guy that explains sort of like Colts, maybe newer ones. But like, what would be the general through line? of a cult maybe like member. I think it depends on the cult.

I think there is a perception that like people that join colds are like losers that have nothing going for them or just like out of their minds. I would imagine it's almost like you're looking for meaning

and this is what you've found. Yeah. And oftentimes they're just like regular normal people that are looking for community that are kind of disenfranchised with their current religious subbring. I also imagine they get pulled

like they might be yeah it's almost like yeah yeah. But they also have tactics of like love bombing and shit that like once you get into the cult have you heard of this idea of like love bombing david's a cult leader i'm a co-leader you know have you heard of this like love bombing yeah yeah do it every day okay good but like so like you basically get introduced in this thing by a friend and a lot of these cults basically have recruitment tactics where they're like it's almost like MLM like every person you get in you'll get like you know more benefits with the leader

and you'll have closer proximity yada yada take them out for drinks get coffee exactly yeah And then there's usually like Yeah Yeah Then there's usually like an inner Colt I'm sorry like an inner group Within like the first group you get in

Yeah they have the sea suite Yeah it's usually It's usually masked in the idea that you're like Dude just join us like we just get coffee and talk about stuff Yeah And then you find out like oh there's actually like a cooler inner group That I really want to be a part of And the way to get into there

It's like bring more people to the coffee Yeah And be a more devout follower Don't need more money It's pyramid scheme A lot of ways Yeah So that's

kind of what they were doing. The heavens good people. Yeah, and so they were like going out trying to find people in San Diego too. Join Colton, San Diego. That's the dumbest thing over. That's how gosh said, killing itself in San Diego. Yeah, but don't do that.

The members, this is where like the thing in pop culture that got a lot of attention. They lived a very strict lifestyle with austere rules. They adopted... Osterity measures? I don't know what that is. It's like simple or bare bones, you could say.

Yeah, yeah. They adopted unisex clothing and adhered to a regimented schedule that included meditation, communal living, and the renunciation of personal attachments. Sounds like Buddhism. They're literally all wearing the same Nike track suit in Nike. I swear to God. They didn't wear Nike tracksuit. This is 100% true.

I see. I will show you. Those are cool stuff. As the years past, the isolation grew. They lived on the fringe of society, moving from place to place, and they always connected through the internet where they disseminated their beliefs. Heaven Gate operated as a sort of digital, Commune, one of like the first cults that like really like exploited the internet.

And using technology to recruit new members and spread their message of impending transformation. This started in the 70s. Yeah. And then they made it to the internet age. Yeah, it was founded in the early 1970s. Awesome. What? Websites still up.

Really? This is like one of those like fascinating like 1990s websites. Are they still going there? That is still existing. They have like a bad ending. Oh, that's so great. This and like, uh, Space Jam are like the two

Still existing This and MJ baby This is like the mini clip website You ever buy me? That's what I'm saying so if you go to the space jam one also It's that like really great 90s Internet aesthetic Yeah, it's right

One baby I mean look they hit you could buy some of their videotap still Video tape one last chance to evacuate Earth Before it's recycled Wow Oh yeah you have to imagine they would like If you join this you pay money you get a VHS You'd put the VHS in and then like sort of get indoctrinated

Have you seen the videos of the guy? Yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah, but for some reason, I forget that they, that those videos of those guy that's like talking to you was given to you not digitally like a link. You know what I mean? Like, because of the way that I interact with it, I forget that they would have had to send. Synonymous with the kingdom of God, the kingdom of heaven. You pop this in your VHS. We're going to talk to you about the most urgent thing that is on our mind and what we suspect is the most. Little editing would have helped.

But yeah, I think a little preparation would have helped. How do you not know the title of the video? It was awesome that they kept all the same. I've got in there. I love like that this is all data. It's a little time capsule. That's so cool. Yeah, it's insane.

This sounds goofy, but it doesn't sound bad. Well, in March 1997, the Haley Bob Comet. Hale Bob Comet, okay, it's not the Haley's Comet, obviously, duh. The Hale Bob Comet made its closest approach to Earth. Applewhite convinces followers that is this is their moment of ascension. The time to leave the earthly vessels behind. They meticulously planned an act of mass suicide. 39 members participated in the ritual that involved taking a lethal dose of phenobarbital

mixed with applesauce and washed down with vodka. They wore identical outfits, brandishing arm band badges and symbolizing their commitment to the group. As they lay lifeless, the scene was haunting. A serene facade that masked the underlying horror of what had transpired. Some members even placed plastic bags over their head as a grim touch to ensure their departure from the physical world. Their bodies were discovered in their bunk beds, stark contrast to the Utopian Vision Applewhite. Have you seen these pictures? No.

They're all in like Army barrack bunks laying there with blankets all put over them. So like... They are wearing the tracksuits maybe, but they all have blankets over them. You can't see them. Jesus. But apparently like some of them would die first. They got the Nike's on my feet. Make my sight so complete. I mean, it's like crazy. It's fucking insane. Yeah. And they were all like in bunk beds and they had blankets on them.

and then the first group would put the blankets on the second group and then the second group would drink. I'm sorry, do whatever it was that killed them and then so on and so forth. All them just got Nike's fitted the fuck up. I mean, how creepy, like you respond to like a crime scene. Kind of Nike's, go by.

I don't know, but they go hard as hell. Yeah, it would be sick. That'd be great. That'd be such a good, like, low effort Halloween costume. Yeah. Lined up purple just over, like, on your shoulders. people like, what are you? And you're like,

Heaven's Gate, baby. Museum of death, a way team. That's so tough. It is tough, right? It's tough. I mean, the fits are great. The slogan, I think the branding, the website's great. But, like, why does every cold have to have, like, this mass suicide at the end?

Because these guys could still be rolling today. I'd be in it. I mean... Yeah. Oh, wait, you're telling me there's a track suit involved? We can wear baggy jeans and Birkenstocks. Yeah. Catholicism is so strict.

I mean, only the priest gets to dress up. But they all... Most like, dude, I took that Zinn. I'm trying to... Holy shit. I thought I was gonna yak right there. Are you seeing stuff right now? Have you ever seen Miles put in a Zinn?

Yeah, one time. It's like this. No, I don't. Yeah, you fucking pull this way. We have video footage. We'll run a... We'll run a... We'll run out of the taste back.

Don't do that. No, we will. Instant replay. Instant replay immediately. Fuck. All right. Was there any... I'm sorry, before wean,

was there any, like, crazy fallout to that? Like, it was just the comic coming by and, like, this is it. Yeah. Are there, like, like, still people that sort of rock with it, like... I don't know, let's find out. Go on Fortune?

Like, was it a global phenomenon? People talked about right after they killed himself? Was there a lot of news coverage leading up to it? Nothing leading up to it. Oh, okay, okay. And no, there's no longer any members of Heaven's Gate. Fuck, do you guys do. No, they just got three more.

Yeah, no, it looks like there's no more members of Heaven's Gate, and that was basically it. And then the news covered it heavy. Yeah. Well, what did they do this, suicide? 97. 97. I was here. I remember it.

I was just about to be here. Maybe I was the comment. Whoa. Do you have a past life regression? Out of respect for Miles No. Thank you. I was going to say it sounds awesome and believable. We should definitely tell you.

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Seven Day Adventists, but a lot of these Colts have branched off from them. But Seven Day Adventists may be branched off from Catholicism, so at the end of the day, I'd take responsibility. Are these the really racist ones? No, Seventh-A Adventists are job witnesses, correct? Different, I think. Isn't there like some YouTube series about... Over-under? Let's find out. I think it is different.

I think about Respects? I think so. But Branch Trividians, A, awesome name, B, there's a lot of great documentaries. about this one. This one is like heavily covered. The second you said Waco, I think I know who you're talking about. Yeah, they're different. They are. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, yeah, there's a bunch of differences.

I won't take us down the path, but, yeah, 7th Day event. I knew 7th DayVans has grown up. Yeah, we had like church on the street. Yeah, it's like a pretty like regular kind of thing. I don't know if they're in South Florida, maybe, I don't know. Yeah, I don't know if they made it all the way down. I don't know if they got all the way there. Say my name.

Where am I from? Why? No. Plantation. Oh, wow. Okay. Which is, I told you. That's where my parents lived.

Yeah. And we used to play them in soccer. They would fuck us up. Plantation FC or fucking nasty. No, I doubt. No, no, I play it all the time. No, I don't. I wouldn't play.

I'd be on the bench. Yeah. Because I'll tell you something about Plantation FC. A lot of Dominicans, a lot of Haitians. A lot of Haitians. And they were nasty. Nasty. Nasty.

I would play them and be like, how was Haiti not the best country in the world that song. How do they not win the World Cup every year? That's really funny. Because I'm getting wrecked by these guys. That's actually really funny. It's insane. We would play Brazilian teams and beat them and be like, yeah, these guys are fun. No, Brazilian Americans. One of the Mill Broward Haitian is the greatest art player I've ever played in my life. Yeah. I don't know. They're fast, dude. Shout out Andrew Booth. Who's that? USL. Some guy played with. And Jonathan Lewis, MLS player. My boy. Can you please go back to the Colt? Anyway, Branch Divideans, all right? In the heart of

Waco, Texas. Splinter Group from the Seventh-day Adventist. have probably the most crazy ending of any cult story ever. It gets led later, and it starts in like the 50s, but then really like gets going with this guy, David Koresh. Another David? In 1980s, Koresh takes over

the group and the group starts to gain some notoriety. He believes that he was the final prophet of God. He interpreted the Bible in a way that resonated deeply with his followers, and he preached that the end of the world is imminent and only those who followed him would be saved. This message of impending doom ignited a fire in his followers, drawing them into a world of fervent devotion and unyielding loyalty.

Life within the compound, known as the Mount Carmel Center in Waco, was pretty intense and pretty isolating. He had strict control over his followers, daily routines, an environment where obedience was paramount, and believers believed that they were part of a divine plan preparing for a final battle between good and evil. A belief that intensified his Koresh's teachings became increasingly apocalyptic. And then they even went beyond spirituality. This is where he's like, okay, we need to stockpile weapons. and we need to like stockpile food because when the end of the world happens,

we're going to be the ones that need to repopulate. Because of all the weapons that they stockpiled, they basically had this giant armory in their compound in Waco. And this drew the attention of federal authorities who then began to investigate the group for illegal activities.

ATF, correct? 1993, the ATF, alcohol, tobacco, and firearms, an explosives team. It's a great group, which is a great combo. That's all you need. They're like, hey, the whiskey Zinn guns guys. All right?

Let's just put them all on a thing and let them figure it out. they attempted to execute a search warrant on the compound. What followed... For sought off shotguns, correct? That was what they were going in for. Because there was like a sting set up operation where they sold them sawed off shotgun.

Yes, exactly. And then... I don't want to like... disparage them, but they sort of like set them up a little bit. Oklahoma City bomber right here, dude. Do you know that's tied in with this? Yeah.

We'll get that. Now we're in my... This is fun. I didn't know the pre stuff. Yeah. The 70s and stuff. So they eventually get kind of set up by the ATF. But also, they're doing fuck shit.

I think there's like abuse happening. Oh, yeah. So there's wild chicken. They basically do like a little cult Rico where they're like, hey, let's just sell them some shotguns and then go to a search warrant for these shotguns that we set them up with. They basically go on with these guys and this results in the death of four ATF agents and six branched divisions. They have like a huge shootout. Yeah. The ATF agents are walking through the woods.

Don't identify themselves, if I'm correct. And two of the Waco guys were also walking through the woods with a woman. Mm-hmm. They start a shootout in the woods. woman gets shot? Maybe. If I'm not mistaken, and the ATF guys

get shot and then all hell breaks. But in the beginning it was like almost a it was less, it wasn't like they were like at the in the beginning they didn't have a hundred and fifty like agents waiting out front for them. It was a couple guys, there was a couple girls.

It was like four. It was like Thanksgiving. It was like four. It was like four. It ended the same way too. Yeah, exactly. There was like four ATF agents that were like sort of walk through the woods, like sort of scoping it out and stuff. And the other guys also were out there. And then it turned sort of south. And then that basically started a 51-day standoff

between the group and the federal law enforcement. And these people like bunkered up in their little houses. Literally. I have just that one image in my head of like cloths covering the windows and just... Yeah, they locked down. Yeah. And this was big national news. Yeah, 51 days.

And every day, it was like almost like the first OJ where they're like, every day there's like ongoing news. who's like today in the Waco standoff. Supporters showed up from other like churches and different things that were like, you guys fucking killed that woman. Because now there's like information leaking. To the press about what actually happened.

And there was like, there was something going on about trying to get the body of the woman either like back from the ATF or down from the compound to other supporters down there and not the ATF. And there was a lot of negotiations going on. They wanted to bring up like water and food. He wanted to

wanted a phone to call someone. I wish I would have done a little bit more. I didn't do any research for this, but I wish I would have like... We're fucking around. It's fine. But I know it's a really fascinating, like, it's an awesome story. There's documentaries on this one,

and I highly recommend, like, watching some of them. It's really fascinating. Even like the whole ATF, like, selling them shotgun thing, was pretty disputed. This whole thing is really fascinating. They planted like a bag of weed in a car and they're like, oh, you know, they did buy the guns, but like, they like scratched off some of the numbers when they had sold the guns to the people, which makes it even more

illegal. It's a whole, it's just, I don't know, the whole thing's really, really interesting. Sorry to go on a diatribe there. Basically, after 51 days, the head of the FBI is like, all right, you can go in and rate it, because they're just at a standoff because, again, there's all this social pressure where it's like, oh, is this like a freedom of religion thing? Like, this is just like a church that you guys are trying to take down because, you're you can't control it, da-da-da-da, or are they doing some terrible cult shit and we got to get rid of them.

It's a whole thing until finally 51 days later, they say, all right, go ahead. Inside the compound, as negotiations are getting fucked up, Koresh, his influence is intensifying. I can only imagine that month being in the compound while you're going to stand off with the federal government. Yeah. And basically, he's just like getting his people fired up. Like, yo, this is the end. This is part of the divine plan. This is what God wants. They're persecuting us because we're right. and you need to deepen your commitment to me and to our belief system and the outside world doesn't matter

like they're trying to kill you. April 19th, 1993. Remember that date, April 19th. February, no, April 19th, the FBI launched a final assault on the compound. This was what could be considered as a catastrophic fire that engulfed Mount Carmel resulting the deaths of 79 branched Divideons,

including a lot of women and children. Scene was devastating and it basically ended the saga and the obviously the Waco branch of the branch of the branched divisions dissolved and it changed

like people's fundamental belief in like the government they're like oh you guys just did like a terror attack against your citizens is what people felt they were like

this cult wasn't doing anything wrong they were a religious group and then you guys set them up and tried to kill them what were they doing wrong let's find out

abuse and shit were these kids born into the cult a lot of them I believe so yeah a lot of them were some kids got dragged in

oh god yeah I mean there was never any confirmation because obviously everyone died. But what they assumed to be happening is that basically this guy, David Koresh,

was like marrying and banging everyone in there and was committing child abuse and that is what contributed to the siege by the ATF. Basically, this guy, David Koresh, suggested that he had ties to the biblical King David and Cyrus the Great. Koresh is the Hebrew version of the name Cyrus.

And he wanted to create a lineage of new world leaders, which is why he was impregnating and banging him. So what should have what should the ATF have done differently? Because obviously they fucked it up. You can't kill women and children, but like if people are just kind of like secluding themselves in houses and you need to like stop this abuse.

Beginning is where it sort of all went south. And then like the escalation was pretty crazy. Yeah. I don't know. I don't know necessarily how they would do it different. If it was up to me, I'd somehow like try to isolate the leader and then like parse through the membership

and be like, okay, who's a victim? And then who's enabling the victimization? and then put everyone on trial. But no one knew what they were doing. Like, did they know who the leader was? I believe so, yes. Because Koresh was like somewhat public being like, yeah, I'm a prophet. He did like a radio show, if I'm not mistaken.

Yeah. Did they don't have snipers back then? They had to. I mean, probably was 93. Yeah. So why do it all out of assault? Just have a couple of snipers on a hill. I mean, they definitely did have snipers.

They had like 200 agents or something on the ground. And this is the militarization of the police, David. If you want to hear the real reasoning, of this. So then, flash forward, there's a guy called the Oklahoma City Bomber. Yeah. Real name. Timothy McVeigh. Yes. And he was kind of like inspired

by this event, but also kind of radicalized by it. He was like, oh, the government is like overstepping. These guys are fucked up and what they're doing is wrong. And we got to take them out. And so he basically then blows up a postal office in Oklahoma City. What year? Two years later to the day. April 19th. April 19th. 19th. 1995.

95. And yeah, he was inspired by them. What was the Oklahoma City bombing? I know the name, but I don't know what happened. This guy rented a U-Haul truck, drove it to the base of the postal office building in Oklahoma City, if I'm not mistaken, it's like the large,

it was like, let's say like the, it's postal office, I'm not mistaken. It's a giant building. He parked the U-Haul truck at the base of it, and blew it up and it was like him trying to get back at the government it was like his... By getting the fucking postal office?

Yeah, I imagine it's like he's trying to make a statement against like bureaucracy or like towards the federal government in a way so he blows it up but the sad part was he blew it up at a section of the building not only the sad part but like one of the sadder parts is he blew it up at a section of the building that was closest to

the daycare that was in the building. 168 people died. Yeah, it's a huge thing. Have you never seen the photo or the front of the building? I've seen that photo, I just don't know like, I didn't know the story behind it or like how he did it.

Yeah, I'm almost certain that's exactly what he did. He drove a U-Haul at the base of it. And he stayed with the ship. Blow it up. No, he went on the run. Oh, he's pussy. And I think that's...

Didn't he get caught like on a random traffic? stop. Maybe I'm mixing that up. It's always funny how these like guys who commit these atrocities that get away, they get caught just doing the stupid as shit. Yeah, who's the guy that was making the Unabomber got caught? Ted Kaczynski. Yeah, got caught because he wrote words in a specific way in his letters and his brother noticed like, oh really? I didn't know that. Yeah, Ted Kaczynski was writing the letters and he wrote letters in his manifesto in very specific ways. And they said, and he made a deal that he would get his manifesto published in like the New York Times or

like Washington Post or something, and he would stop killing people, whatever. There was misspellings and words that were only specifically used by the brother of the Unabom bomber. And he noticed it. And he sort of told his wife, he was like, hey, I've got some feelings that like my crazy brother might have been the guy who did this. And he ended up telling his wife and his wife convinced him to tell, like, the government. And there was actually, like, I think Ted Kaczynski got caught because an IRS agent, weirdly enough, like, had noticed the same patterns and was the one who escalated through the government.

That's the thing with, like, these serial killers that would send mail to the police, they would always, like, leave a hint because part of them, like, wants to get caught. Yeah. Yeah. Also, I said postal office. Technically, it kind of had postal connections and shit.

It was just a federal building. Okay. Thank God, dude. If it was the postal office. And it contained regional offices for Social Security, Department of Housing, United States Secret Service, Veteran Affairs, DEA.

Got it. So it's a massive giant building probably for the Southwest. Yeah. That is like the headquarters of a region of the United States. Yeah. But the FBI killed kids is the end of that cold. ATF killed kids. I thought it was the FBI.

Did the last raid. No, ATF, but I think the FBI called them in. Okay. Yeah. Sorry, we went on a lot of. Yeah, I like that rant, though. That was a fun little tangent. I want to talk to you guys about the Ant Hill kids.

This is maybe the most... This is the most messed up one. that I feel like no one knows anything about. The An Hill Kids, okay. This one is insane. Four for four on names, by the way. Yeah. These are phenomenal names.

Bangers. They're all bangers. Yeah. Recent or not recent? I mean, relatively recent. Okay. It was like the 80s. Oh, okay.

It's insane. So let me just kind of go through this part, and then I'm going to have to pull up some other stuff because, like, I was even reading deeper into this. I was like, this is crazy. We won't interrupt you. A fringe spiritual movement known as the Ant Hill cult, or the Ant Hill Kids Colt.

Basically, it started by this guy in Canada, okay? Hell yeah. Oh, yeah. It's nice to have a Canadian one, right? Cross-border. Let's go. This guy, Roach Theralt. His first name is Roach, R-O-C-H. That's fire.

Another banger? He basically, like, drops out of school and starts teaching himself the Old Testament. And he's convinced that a war between good and evil is about to come. He converted to the Seventh-day Adventist Church, lived by the rules, no tobacco,

no unhealthy food, no drugs. He was a charismatic man. and he basically gets kicked out of Seventh-day Adventism and is basically like, you know what? I'm going to start my own church out in the woods. He's like a pastor in this church and he's like super popular. Everyone loves him.

And he eventually gets ousted. And, uh, say him. Do you know a part of Canada? I believe he starts in Montreal or in Quebec. Oh, cool. And then eventually goes to New Brunswick or something. Okay, okay. Yeah, Seven Day Adventist kicked him out for his weird behavior.

And he basically's like, all right, guys, you know what? We're going to start drinking and we're going to the woods. Fuck yeah. And he goes out to the woods. He gets like 12 people to follow him out there. A lot of them are women. And he's just banging all of them. And he's basically like, we need to repopulate the world.

Okay? La bat blues with the boys. That's awesome, dude. It's bat blues. It's like a Canadian beer. No, mostly women. Mostly women. And they basically start to go out to this like plot of land.

Yeah. That's like sort of un, like not federal. It's just like a random plot of land. I guess, I don't know. Yeah. And they start building. And he's like, all right, we're going to build. And he just kind of sat back and let everyone else build,

which is where he came up with the name Ant Hill. Because he's like, yo, you guys are like ants. Like, we're all communal. This guy's the roach. Exactly. He's Bob for Roach. Exactly. He's pop for roach. He's like, all right, get to work.

And, yeah, they start building like little like tents and cabins and shit. Yeah. And that's where they live. He ends up having within two years, like, 22 kids with these like 10 members of the cult. You know who's a new Ant Hill King? Anthony Edwards. I got it, but I'm gonna let you eat that. He just had another kid.

He's four, his four baby mamas. Is he really? Yeah, Anthony Edwards is fucking left in, right? Oh, wow. That's the new aunt. That's the thing ant right there, baby. This guy's basically just a maniac.

Yeah, it sounds like, he's basically a maniac gets arrested, goes to prison, gets out of prison, and then goes back to his cult. Does he escape prison? Or he just gets released. He gets released. Okay.

They were still aunt and ended up. Yeah. The hill's still hillin? His hill was hilling. Wow. And he gets arrested for like child abuse. And then basically like the way it goes down initially, they hire this guy who's like a lunatic drug addict to be like babysitter for all the kids.

One of the kids is crying. He ends up like beating the shit out of the kid. And then this guy is like, actually I can heal the kid. And beats the shit. Roach is like, I can heal the kid. So he tries to heal the kid. The kid dies. And then they're like, we need to put the babysitter on trial.

So they bring this guy into trial. They find him guilty. and they castrate them. They put them on like their little communal trial. Their communal trial. Okay. Oh, I'm sorry. I was thinking the, oh, wow.

So they castrate him within. Roach, the leader of the cult is the one. Within their little society, they have like a law system. And they have their own trial with him and all of his like concubines, basically. Okay. And they find, they find him guilty. Yeah. And then they castrate him with a knife.

They cut his dick off. Wow. No, that would be. Yeah, they cut the balls off. Yeah, castration's ball. I think the whole thing. The whole thing gets cut off. Root to stem.

Yeah. That's, he's a eunuch now. Yes. And then he runs away. He's able to escape and goes to federal authorities and is like, hey, this guy cut my dick off. Prove it. Come on. Show it.

And they're like, eh, you weren't born in his way. He's like, no, they cut it off. They arrest him. He goes to prison and then eventually they release him. And he goes back to his cult. And he's like, you can cut a guy's dick and balls off and go to prison for a short enough time that when you come back, no one has left your like sphere of influence. It's crazy.

Prove it. Let's see it. I've always been so curious about what it looks like after you cut it off. Do you have, you have access to the internet, correct? Me? Yeah, I'm not going to Google it. I don't see.

I want you to one day to come in and be like, yo, look. Don't be so curious. I'm not. How do you pee? It's still there. You still got like a urethra. Like, I want to know what the urethra looks like with no dick.

Just a hole, probably. there probably doesn't you definitely can't control it's flow no I don't think it even flows I don't think it's laminar flow anymore I think it's more like a like how women piss

it's just like a water it's just a it's like you're out of water park in the bucket the bucket finally yeah exactly it'd be so funny if you drink water and it immediately just comes out

that'd be a good party gag yeah yeah I mean you can do that I've done that drink a beer or you're peeing oh that's one of the greatest feelings of being drunk yeah

um when he gets out This is when things go crazy. Okay. For the third time he gets up. You think, no, the first time. He only goes to prison once. Well, it goes to prison twice, but we'll get to that.

Yeah. Basically, he goes back to his cult and then just gets more abusive. And just like, the level of abuse, I don't even know if I'm allowed to, like, read this. Like, it's insane. Basically, if people tried to, like, leave the commune, he would tie them up and then just, like, literally just torture them. Like, flog them and shit and, like. Beyond. Like, and he would force other members to do the torture.

Ah. And so he's just literally in the woods, just torturing people for, like, yeas. King Joffrey. It's the most, I think, in my opinion, from the ones I've read about, the most disturbing one. One of his wives basically says,

like, oh, I have a stomachache. He says, I can fix your stomachache. At some point, these women, or anyone who's in this cold has got to be like, you're like 0 for 5 on these healings. Right?

Well, they also can't leave, sadly. The thing is, they could have when he's in prison. Yeah, that's true. I get the psychological torture, but like, they had it now. I have no. What were they wearing?

They actually all had to wear tunics. They had to wear matching tunics. No, Nike fit? No, no Nike. Three stripes. This is in the 80s. Yeah. This is the most fucked up bar.

We have to cut this out. We can say this better for YouTube. You guys will still laugh, dude. It's so fucking ridiculous. So they open up her jar. Yeah. Let's do it for YouTube. Okay, let's do it for YouTube.

They crack open the coconut. Yeah. And then they put his life force into the coconut. His lime. Yeah. Coconut. But the. that's great

yeah so he jacks it he put his pee pee in her coke and she doesn't come back to life I can't believe it and then one of the women is like so disturb us one of his other wives sees this and is like yo this is crazy he ends up basically

like abusing her and like chops off her arm he amputates her arm and this is when she's like you know what I've had enough. This has gone too far, okay? She's about to not stand for it. She's not going to stand for it. She's not going to lean. Her name was Eileen actually. She flees the commune,

goes to the police, like runs through the woods. Not very fast. Sort of in one direction. She's just leaning to the left. A little at an angle. But she eventually gets to the police. She's alive. There's no doubt in my mind. Probably. I don't know. No, there's no.

I bet she's... I've looked into this. A lot of the survivors and shit, like you can't find them much on them. Thank God. Like, they have hopefully gone to like therapy or some shit. They have lives so they can live. Best cases they're done. Honestly, I don't know. It's like so effed up.

I'm like, it's insane. This episode was like kind of jovial. Did you just say effed up? I don't want to cuss. I don't want to be rude. This was so freaked up, dude. What the freak were they doing? What the frick.

This episode was so fun. They're like racial equality and Kool-Aid. What a tasty drink. And now it's just amputations. I thought that part is effed up too, I'll be honest. And you get back to the effed up parts, dude. He's just abusing everyone. One of the women basically escapes, goes to the police, and then he gets arrested.

And yeah, he's in prison. And then even in prison, like, you would think, oh, that's got to be the end. He, like, has conjugal visits with the remaining female members. That's crazy. We let people do that. Right? That sounds like the least craziest part of the story, that they were. would still

fuck with him. You know, like they would visit him. Of course, that's their guy. They're fucking him. And the gut in the, what else are they going to do?

Uh, just crazy. Yeah. Uh, he ends up getting put into, uh, Dorchester penitentiary, a Canadian,

uh, prison. Oh, don't you know, Dorchester. Oh, they're gonna say Dorchester in Boston. No, he's not in Boston.

He's in Canada. And, uh, they reject his parole. They're like, no, you can't go in parole. And,

uh, he pleads guilty to second-degree murder, uh, for Solange Ballard. This is the one with the stomachache. And then gets life in prison. Nice. He tries to sell his artwork once he's in prison

at murder auction.com in 2009. Murder auction.com. He's like trying to sell his stuff and they're like, no, you can't sell your drawings and your poetry. And he's like, oh, come on. In America, there's, like, laws against us. You can't profit off of your notoriety in prison.

No, really? Yeah. I don't know it. Well, apparently you can't do it either. They try to do it. And they're like, no. Okay. And then finally in 2011,

fairly recent, 63, he was murdered by his cellmate. This guy, in prison for life for murdering someone else, stabs him in the neck and then says, the piece of shit is down. Here's the knife. I sliced him up. Bar. Yeah, it is a fucking bar.

Kind of the hero of the whole story. Is this murderer? They should free that guy. Look into it at least. Yeah. See how much bad he did, then how much good he did. What do you think they call him at prison? The guy who killed him?

Yeah. Raid. Ant, a killer. All right. I'm not definitely up for that. I got a laugh from Christos. This guy doesn't need to speak English. Christos is fully great.

I got out of the room laugh for that one. The delay ones are always the best. But yeah, that's probably the most messed up cult that I've ever read. The next one's happier. Yeah, the next one's happier. What is it? We're going to Japan. Hey, what's up, guys?

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Yeah. No. This is where it all started. He created it? He's the one that did the sarin gas attacks in Tokyo. Oh. Wow. It was a cult guy.

Wow, I never knew this. Crazy, right? I thought it was like Yakuza or some shit. Yeah, I thought it was like a terrorism thing. So it got put on this guy. I'm assuming that he was like, they had ample evidence. But basically this guy, Shoko Asahara, in 1984, begins a spiritual movement that morphs into this cult,

this like apocalyptic prophecies just like everything we've seen so far. He basically blends like Hinduism and Buddhism with Christian, like, eschatology and paints a picture of the... this impending apocalypse. His followers are drawn to his claims of enlightenment and divine purpose, believing that they could achieve spiritual transcendence through meditation, devotion, and ultimately making love to this guy. We have a gay one.

So fascinating that they're all basically the same through line. End of the world's coming. Yeah. People for some reason, like, latch onto this. I wonder what that is. Like, do you want, do you have like this sense of impending doom that you're looking to, like, place somewhere? Is it this like

apocalyptic thing? It seems to be so candy to these people in a way. Yeah, I wonder if it's like trauma mixed in with like the super charismatic guy that starts to just like pour into you on a very deeply personal basis. Like you're going to like

these churches. And then you just start believing him. Yeah. Got. And then you just like follow him. And then you have community and like then you have kids with him and then now you're like your whole life is tied up with this one person. You're basically going to listen to every says. Yeah, okay. For some reason, I first thought that they're like, oh, dude, this guy says the world's ending. I feel the world's also ending. Yeah. And they do similar tactics where like they love bomb them, but then if you try to leave, then they do the opposite of love bombing,

which the worst case is torture or it's like ostracization. Or it's just, you don't really have a friend group. You also want this person more than anything else. Yeah. And if they start to even just do like the slightest bit of coldness, too, I imagine it feels like the end of the world. Yeah, so there's like Stockholm syndrome. It's an abusive relationship where like one day, he's, you know, chastising you or torturing you. Then the next day, he's like, I love you so much. You're the best of the group. You're going to have the child that's going to take over the group,

and you're the most special one, da-da-da-da. And, like, you're just going back and forth and, like, I think your brain literally gets, like, warped from this guy, like, loving you and hating. It's like every toxic relationship. Like, domestic abuse acts the same exact way. Okay. And then he's basically, like,

taking this through the 80s into the 90s and today. Does he say when the world's going to end? Are they, like, one of the, like, final date people, or is it, like, I only, No. I think they have a couple days that go wrong. And he's like, oh, there's a miscalculation. Which again, anytime these doomsday colds have days that they say the world is going to end and then it doesn't end, weirdly the group gets stronger.

Yeah. Because people leave, but then the people that stay are more devout. That makes sense. It's bizarre. So, like, you basically, like, call the herd every single time you do, like, one of these false prophecies. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So you have two or three of them, and now you have, like, the most devout. Distilled liquor of the group.

Yeah, you have the dabs of the group. not to make a political point but that could be true about like yo Jan 6 we're overthrowing democracy and then the second you don't do it it's like weren't you there I'm like you're the guy I feel like you on brand of J6

but like you were you were on the front lines stand back and stand by that was David's whole Twitter feed the group begins stockpiling weapons specifically biological and chemical weapons believing that a catastrophic event would trigger their ascension

to a higher place of existence this is interesting so in a society where there aren't access to a lot of guns a stockpiling is a different version of stockpiling exactly so they can't really access weapons and there's also an element of like japanese culture based of like one documentary i saw that like there was there's so much rigidity where it's like okay you're going to graduate school and you're going to do really good in school and then you're going to go work at this corporation and then you're going to get married and you're going to have three kids and that's going to be your life and he kind of gave them an out he was like hey you don't have to do this you can live in this commune where everyone's happy and there's like higher utopia that you can enter into. Got it. And so I think he's finding people that are disenfranchised with that. So they're stockpiling biological and chemical weapons.

Yeah. Wow. Like what? So sarin gas is the one that eventually use. Okay. March 20th, 1995, they carry out a coordinated attack

on the Tokyo subway system. They release sarin gas, a nerve agent, in several carriages during rush hour, resulting in the death of 13 people and injuring thousands. The attack was horrific,

chaotic, leaving survivors grappling with their psychological and physical scars of that day. Panic erupts, commuters are struggling to breathe, their lives are shattered in an instant by a group that had once claimed to seek enlightenment. Basically afterwards, there's like a huge police crackdown. They find the guy, they were already investigating him for like other stuff and like stockpiling all these like biological weapons. And then they're eventually able to like arrest him.

He faces 27 counts of murder in 13 separate indictments. And yeah, they basically give him a charge of trying to overthrow the government and stall himself in the position as Emperor of Japan. What year is this? this is 93, 95? Something like that. Yeah, yeah. Okay. And, uh, what?

The charge of trying to install your, instill your, or whatever, put yourself in, as emperor, it seems like a stretch, but I imagine that's how you throw the book at him. But also, I think a lot of his doctrine was like, hey, I'm going to become emperor of Japan. Got it. Um, and there's like a nuclear war and in order to stop nuclear war, we need to get ourselves in charge. And so we need to cause, you know, chaos within the government. And this was like the biggest trial in Japanese history called the trial of the century. During the trial, a bunch of disciples testify against him.

And he was found guilty of 13 to 17 charges, including a family murder of other people that were inside the group before this event even happened. Wow. And then four charges were dropped. He wasn't a good cult leader then. Because his own people testified against him. Yeah. I guess people flipped. and then in 2004 he's sentenced to death.

Wow. How? I don't know. Katan. Sapuko. Yeah. What is that called? Sapuka.

Yeah. Hari Kari. Hari Kari. During much of the trials, he doesn't really say anything. He's like silent, mutters to himself and he's just like sitting in the courtroom. Like, he looks insane. Like, long-haired Asian, I always said is like my favorite kind of guy. Oh, I love him.

Kind of a G. Yeah. Minus all the murdering. Um, and then he eventually, like, is able to, you know, appeal his execution and then dies in 2018. Oh, in prison. Yeah. Wow. Oh, no.

Oh, no. So he beat the case. In a way. Oh, no. No, he actually gets executed in 2018. In 2018. Oh, wow. By hanging. along with six other cult members.

Oh, wow. How do they do executions in America? Lethal injection, but they're trying to bring back, not trying. There's the possibility they bring back, uh, the shooting one. Yeah, I think the last, like, uh, uh, firing squad was like in the 90s. Yeah, so it was like Utah or something. Apparently it's more humane to use the firing squad

is like one of the arguments that's being used in America right now to bring back firing squads. Maybe in certain states, I don't know if it's federally. But yeah, federal ones are lethal. So like firing squads like you give, let's say like five people guns, six people, some are rubber bullets. Some have no bullets and then one has a bullet in them. to give deniability, like, oh, I'm not the one that killed them.

And none of them know which one did it. No, but if five of them don't have bullets, then you wouldn't know. I thought it was rubber bullets. Maybe. Something has to come out. You can't see the bullet coming out. Yeah, if you fire a blank, it feels like a bullet. Yeah.

Never shot a gun. I wouldn't know. You've never shot a gun? Never. Whoa. I'm scared of guns. Huh. Surprising. Yeah, that's really surprising.

I mean, but everyone should have them. Yeah. Okay. Nice. And we're back. But yeah, crazy life, crazy guy. and a pretty insane little cult sprouted up out of Japan.

Wild. Manson family. Yes. Maintings. The Manning family. Manning. I forgot. I had to get the joke up.

1962. Archie Manning. Archie Manning. Archie Manson. Charles Manson. He's at the center of the Manson family cult. Twisted ideology and manipulation tactics that lead the group in this Manson family

that basically is just doing like violence against people in the local area. Failed musician, unfortunately. Apparently he, like, auditioned for, like, the monkeys. Oh, wow. Like, he, like, was, like, trying to get into, like, a bunch of stuff. He was, like, into, like, the Beatles. He was convinced that he convinced his followers at a race war,

which he called Helter Skelter was imminent. A conflict that would ultimately lead to a new world order where his family would reign supreme. Have you ever heard of Helter Skelter? The song? Like, if you listened to it. Yeah. Okay, this is the best.

I did a little bit of research when you sent me the document. So I'm ready for this, all right? So it was more than Helter Skelter. There's two other songs on the White album that aided his beliefs in the race war. And it was Blackbird, which is a song about racial equality for black women during the civil rights argument.

And pigies, written by George Harrison, and it's about three little piggies. And apparently it's about like George Orwell's animal farm. But what's funny about Helter Skelter is that the Beatles were like, let's make it just like a fucking heavy song. Yeah.

But the song is about a slide and a theme park. And it's just about them going, when I get to the bottom, I'm just going to go right back to the top and ride the ride again. So it's really cute. And then Manson's like race war. I mean, the album didn't help. Yeah, wait, which album is that? That's a white album? The white album.

Could have called it the black and white and brown and all equal. All Lives Matter. All Lives Matter album. But they didn't. Life from the Manson family was a communal living, and sort of like utopia sort of idea. But Manson exercised absolute control over his followers, who are often referred to as the kids.

And he was using the same old tactics, love bombing, emotional manipulation, and create a bond between them. And he also used a lot of drugs, specifically LSD. Where are they located? California, right? Yeah, California, but they bounced a couple of different places. Okay.

It was mostly West Coast. And they were using LSD basically almost as like a ceremonial thing to like strengthen his bond with them. Isn't the rumor that Manson was part of MK Ultra? Some people have suggested that. Yeah. And he also had connections with weird organizations as a kid. Like he was like a proper like drifter his whole life.

Yeah. Interesting. And they were able to get like some attention because he was able to like, he was like a more public, I guess. And it was like gaining some notoriety within the local community. The most notorious of his acts against the people in the community, basically that he believed was like trying to overthrow the world order

and the main one that everyone talks about is August 8th, 1969, they carried out an attack on actress Sharon Tate. This is the most fucked up thing ever.

There's a famous picture of like the husband in front of the house like after the murder like what the fuck. Wasn't the husband Woody Allen? Yeah. Let me find out.

Or this was like Woody Allen sidepiece. Roman Polanski. Roman Polanski. I was going to say it's the other guy that had some, he's the other great director who also did some weird fucked up shit. What did Roman? The Roman Polanski openly admitted to having sex with an underage girl. I think she was 14.

He fled to France and now he can't come back to America. He's still in France. He's still in France and he still directs movies. Let's separate the art from the artist. He can't accept any of the awards in America that he went. Why is he winning? award still. I mean, have you seen the movies? I've never seen any of his movies, to be honest with you.

You like Billy Jean, right? The tennis player? No, the song. That's really cute. That was a fun little back and forth. I don't know anything about Plansale be honest with you. No, but I was trying to make a point, like Michael Jackson allegedly did stuff, but his music's banging. That's why he can receive awards. Allegedly, I think Michael Jackson was also convicted. Correct? No. No. He went on trial. Oh, okay. Did he go on trial? I didn't think he went on trial. So, like, We're more or less the same age. So, like, when we grew up, we just remember Michael Jackson in court,

looking scariest out. The only thing I remember Michael Jackson was blanket over the balcony. You know where that was? Berlin. Fun fact. Oh, wow. Basically, they carry out this attack on Sharon Tate. They, uh...

She is pregnant, and they have four other people staying at the house, and all of them are murdered. The following night, Manson ordered another gruesome attack, resulting in the death of Leno and Rosemary La Bianca. Same exact thing. They go in, murder the whole family. And in the wake of the murders and investigations, is revealed that Manson is basically influencing his followers through drugs, but also all these cult manipulation tactics to get them to carry out these murders. The trial that followed exposed a disturbing reality of the group, blend of devotion, manipulation, higher power, apocalypse, and then ultimately,

them taking over the, you know, the ultimate reign of the New World Order. Yeah. And he did the attacks on Tate, Sharon Tate, to hopefully instill a race riot. Yeah. Basically. And then he was hoping that race riot would destabilize, like, the country, basically. Like, it would, like, spread over the whole course of the country. Yes.

So a white man killed a white woman, and he thought it was a race war was going to happen. Yeah, I don't get why that was going to cause a race. Is he, like, racist? or does you want racial equality? Racist. I would say he wants racial inequality to happen so that he can take over. So he killed one of his own?

I guess. I don't know why the murder of Sharon Tate was going to cause. That's another interesting point. Did they know that was Sharon Tate? Yes. Okay. She's like a famous actress of the time. And her home address was like no.

Yeah. Okay. Like it was on like star maps and like people would go do like celebrity tours and like go see her house. Oh wow. Like once upon a time in Hollywood. Yeah.

Another great movie I never saw. Really? Nope. It's phenomenal. He's eventually convicted of murder, and then that becomes, like, a massive moment, and he's, like, a symbol of the dark side of, like, 1960s, like, hippie counterculture.

Yeah. And there's, like, a music element, and then his trial is publicized and his depositions are released, and you just see him and these depositions looking crazy. You've seen the videos. Dude, the videos are objectively hilarious.

Yeah, he's insane. He's like... Like that, and then he does the little jig. You think he's doing it on purpose? Like, just to, like, play up the media thing? I think he's crazy. Did he already have the swastika tattoo? When?

Like, you know how he has that tattoo right in between his eyebrows. Did he have it already? I don't know if he got it there. Did he get it in prison? I wonder if he got it in prison. Okay, then obviously he doesn't want to show quality. I would imagine they don't let him in general pop in prison, but I have no idea. Yeah, that one's crazy.

And he's probably the most famous cult leader. Got him. Him and Jim Jones, yeah. They have to be. Yeah. He's like the most iconic one. Like, in terms of like his. reach and touch on culture specifically. Can you pull up the video of him on trial?

Because it's so funny. I don't think I've seen this video. Dude, this video is so goddamn funny. It's like he's on Adderall three cups of cold brew from Oslo and he's just like bouncing off the walls. I have no idea what you're about. Tell me in a sentence who you are. Oh wow. Oh wow. Yeah, I think this is just a fucking crazy guy, dude. right here if it get too close to me. Wow. Bar. Crazy. I mean, yeah, that's crazy.

Like, terrifying. Yeah, yeah, that's like one of those where you like, you know he's not, he's aware of the world around him, but he's just, he's in a different plane than you are. He's not there. Yeah. And I don't know if it's just like he does drugs all the time and it's like, maybe Rada's brain out or something. Yeah.

Yeah, well, if you do LSD and you have like a history of mental illness, that'll like expedite it coming to life. Yeah. He's also, according to this, a proper white supremacist. Yeah, I think he was like cool with the KKK. He said that black people would rise up and kill the entire white population except for Manson and his followers. He's talking about the NBA.

I don't think he was talking about the NBA, I'll be honest. But he did say that they were going to need a white man to lead them. And so he was like, they're going to take over, and then they're going to need us, and then we're going to serve as like the leader of this new country that's basically created after a race war. Wow. This is what, 60s?

Yeah. I mean, yeah. So there was civil rights is at a peak. We have Vietnam. Like the country is so chaotic. I'm like, you can, like, during COVID, this shit was crazy. But like back then we're fighting an endless war. We have, you know, Selma and what happened there.

And the country was just so fucking messed up. And then you have like these hippies trying to like bring everything together. Then you have these fucking mansions. And he's a symptom of like the dark side of like that cultural relationship. Isn't that a conspiracy that they sort of. sort of let him run free. The CIA, FBI, like, let him get larger and get bigger and sort of, like, they knew about him and they knew that he was, like, sort of a problem instead of, like, sort of, like,

cabashing it when it was smaller. They were like, let's let him sort of run with that kid, long hair. He was a hippie. Like, and it was a good way of, like, sort of painting the hippie movement is bad. And, like, this is the bad side of it. Yeah. This is, oh, these are the anti-war people that actually murder everyone. Yeah.

And so I've heard that before. I haven't been able to get into any of that. but I have heard that and that's like one of the talking points when people talk about this. That's the story. And he goes, he gets into prison

and he goes into a bunch of parole hearings and lives a long fucking time. In prison? Yeah. I wonder what prison they had him in. Did he die during our lifetime? Yeah. Yeah.

Corkran prison is where he is. It's a male only prison in California. And in 2017, he's being held there. And they basically, TMZ reports that his doctor's considered him too weak for surgery and he basically gets ill and then he dies of cardiac arrest and resulting

from respiratory failure brought on by colon cancer November 19th, 2017. Wow. Long time. That's crazy. How old was he when he died? Let me tell you, he's old as hell probably. 83. Wow.

83 years old. This guy had a long life after murdering all these people. I mean, that's crazy. And did he have any like notoriety? Like, you ever hear those stories? or like they're in prison and they like still have power or like still have control of anything.

I don't know what his power was in prison but obviously becomes like a like a cultural icon. Yeah. Yeah. Or like people like are using him in songs and they're using him like the Rolling Stones like runs him as like a cover story in the 70s. Like he's like famous, famous.

Yeah. For running this cult and all these murders. But when he went to prison, I think the Manson movement kind of you know, trailed off. kind of, but then some of like the survivors and the other members like now are, you know, sort of in

culture and like they're doing media and like press and stuff. Really? Yeah, like the ones that did the murders got arrested, and there's other people that are like connected to it that don't. And yeah, he lives in prison from the 60s all the way into, you know, a couple years ago. Wow. What cult was Walking Phoenix born into? Oh, yeah. Was that children of God? Walking Phoenix

was in a cult? Yeah, so Walking Phoenix, River Phoenix, all the brothers. came up in a cult. Children of God. Yeah, they came up in children of God. And then they fled young and they moved to California to get away from it.

And they used to have a different last name. And then their parents let them pick their own first in last names. Maybe the first names. No, I think it was just the last name. And they were phoenixes because they rose from the ashes and started their own lives again.

That's so tough. Sick, right? Also, I'm glad they didn't choose their first names because that's kind of arrogant. You give yourself a sick name. Joaquin, River, and Leaf was the third one. Think so. And then

Joaquin, River was like the original actor, I think, if I'm not mistaken. He was like the biggest of the group. He was in,

Stand by Me. Yeah. There was a thing he was in. Joaquin was in standby me? I think so. And I don't think so. Maybe I'm incorrect, but River then dies

tragically of an overdose. Yeah. And then Joaquin now is like carried in... Joker. Yeah. The Joker. River was handsome.

Yeah. It basically started in 16 to 70s by this guy, David Berg. Now they're David. This is Children of God. Children of God.

That's the Fort David. Also known as the family. Yeah, yeah. That's why I was getting confused with the Mansichita. I was like, I think this is the one. The Manson family and then the family. Exactly. That's why I was like, I was hoping you were going to get to the Phoenix stuff.

And I was like, no, it's a different cult. He positioned himself as a prophet, claiming to receive direct revelations from God. His initial teachings attracted a diverse group of disillusioned youths, drawing to his, drawn to his vision of communal lifestyle and rejected traditional morality. He preached that love was the ultimate expression of faith and that his followers embraced a radical reinterpretation of Christian doctrine. At first, the message of love and freedom resonated deeply promising a life of unfettered

unfettered social norms. However, as the movement gained traction, it takes a dark turn. The family embraced the practice of flirty fishing, which encouraged female members to engage in sexual relationships with outsiders as a means of recruiting them into the fold. Honeypotting. Basically.

This disturbing tactic blurred the lines of consent to parade on the vulnerabilities of both members and unsuspecting individuals, turning what was meant to be a message of love into a tool of exploitation. And then there's a bunch of child abuse, like life within the family's like strict control, hierarchical dominance.

The members were isolated from the outside worlds and doctrine to believe that only within the group could they find true salvation. His charisma and leadership created an environment where questioning authority was seen as betrayal. Those who dared to dissent face severe repercussions, including emotional manipulations shunned by their peers.

And as their life kind of becomes, you know, more and more publicized, they start getting investigated and reports of abuse and exploitation. emerge, basically detailing a culture that prioritized loyalty to the group over individual rights. Children raised within the family were subjected to

rigid discipline, often indoctrination from young age to accept the cult's teachings. Many grew up grappling with psychological scars of their upbringing, struggling to reconcile their experiences with the outside world. There's a clear blueprint for cults. Yeah. These stories are all the same. That one has

the most prolific membership? Membership? Yeah, membership, though. Are they still going to this day? Well, they just had two great actors that came out. Actually, the Nexium one had some fucking members. Yeah, but they were brought in later. I mean, like, Joaquin was born into it. Yeah, that's true.

They're the best farm team. They definitely, they drafted well. Nexium did a great job at like bringing some high... Allison Mack. Yeah. Who? Allison Mack from Smallville. Yeah.

Did you guys? I used to love that show. Okay, so did you not know? No. Okay, so the woman who, played the love interest. No, not

Lana Lois. Isn't Lois the one that's known? Lana Lang was a different thing. But if I'm not mistaken, and I might be incorrect, sorry everybody, don't send me bad comments. I'm trying hard this episode. Allison Mack

joined a cult called Nexium, which is spelled very weirdly, N-X-V-U-R-M or something. It was like a sex cult, and she was one of like the highest profile members of it and it was based in

California if I'm not mistaken I'm a state in New York oh I'm state in New York and within nexium so there was like damn there was nexium and then there was a smaller group within nexium that had

like the women that you expected yeah not the dark character but within nexium there's a smaller group that was like this like elite almost like all woman's sorority on the inside that was like the like the top tier thing to get into, but you had to do really fucked up stuff

and there was like a sexual component to it that you had to sleep with the lead member of Nexium to get into the higher group. He was branding them with his initials? This is like actual brand. Yeah. And the crazy, yeah, which he had like a really good cover story for.

I think his, I don't remember his exact initials, but it was something that he was able to cover. Keith Reneery, his name. Yeah, and he, the brand looked a little bit like something else. It was a symbol, but his initials were hidden within the symbol. They didn't know his initials. Yeah.

So then Allison Mack recruited people to join the inner group and there was sexual abuse that came on or whatever. And she ended up going to jail for like 13 years. Is this during her fame? She gets put up. No, no, no. She gets put up in 2013. Yeah, 2013 is when it all kind of starts to dissolve. 2013, 2014.

So she went through Smallville. Such a good show. Yeah, great show. But yeah, apparently the name nexium comes from the ancient Roman system, like the ancient Roman numeral system that basically translates in Latin to the system of debt and bondage, known in Latin as nexum. Okay. Interesting.

And he like kind of switched around the letters to make it nexium. Which is also, I think, like a prescription drug, if I'm not mistaken. Sounds like it. Try nexium. I think it is. That was so fun. Look it up. But yeah, that's like the more,

not most famous, but like one of the highest profile people. Nexium is a prescription PPI using adults for healing and symptom relief of acid related damage to the esophagus. Yeah, acid reflux. It's like a purple and yellow box. You don't remember these commercials when you were a kid? No. I did not know this is, do they change the name? They have to. No, but that's weird that you guys... I've never heard of nexium.

I've never heard of the drug. The Villages commercial, but you don't remember nexium commercials? The Villages 1-800 588 2,300 It's so weird Nexium today

Nexium commercials were sort of memorable to me I don't know So the difference was like Walking Escape This girl was a star

Yes And they got recruited On the best show On television On 2002's Hit CW show Smallville Did they

I feel like they had Like a memorable theme song I forget how it went Smallville Bank Smallville Dude the elite actor I

He was in Wait what Tom Welling Was that his name He was in a cheaper by the dozen. Yeah, Tomlowe. He's like the old son. Honk.

So handsome. Oh my God. And even later in life, super handsome. No, he got chubs. Fuck off. He never joined the cult. Yeah, he never joined the cult. There's another woman.

The Bronfman sisters who are like very wealthy heirs to like the Seagram family. Like basically the family made like Seagram's ginger ale. They also have like a bunch of beverages, billionaires. And they were. Gingerill? Yeah. They were allegedly, I should say, allegedly involved in, uh, sort of like funding this group.

There was one other actress, and I can't remember who it is, Allison Mack, and maybe there was another woman from Smallville, but there was one other actress that she brought into the group, but then sort of was like, I'm not cool at this group. Like, I don't really get what's going on. She never made it far enough to see the abuse. She can get the intersanktham. And she is still a famous actress to this day.

Kristen Cruick. Yes. Can I see a photo? And Nikki Klein was another one person. Christian Cruick is the woman who played, I think the woman you're thinking of. She had more... Law of Lange. Yeah, no

I didn't see the cast of small book Because there's one person I'm thinking of That's crazy, I'm sorry I'm on my phone Are so far off but uh Yes, nexium's like a crazy cult though Yeah I don't know exactly the It was Keith, what it was it?

Keith Reneery Okay, and it was a sex thing Yeah, yeah big time And he would like kiss all the members And like he would pull them away from their families I am thinking of Allison Mac There you show me a bad photo Okay, that's on me

I'm not her publicist Okay, obviously hot And then what happened to Keith He ends up getting convicted. For a long time? Yeah, he's in prison now. Oh, he's in prison? Yeah, I'm sure going through like an appeals process and stuff.

But yeah, they started like an Albany, upstate New York. Wow. Yeah. And one guy basically Frank Parlato, Frank Pallardo, Jr., who's the one that took him down. He used to work for them. He got hired to, like, do some work, like consulting work. Oh, wow. And then he ends up doing...

He, like, notices it's fuck shit? He does the work that he's asked to do. Okay. And then they oust him and don't pay him. Wow. And then he basically makes his life mission to take them. down. So he's owed like probably a couple hundred thousand dollars for doing like some thing for them. Basically. And then they try to sue him and intimidate him and then he ends up

taking him down. Wow. He actually came on the show. Oh wow. Yeah, that episode would be coming out in a few weeks. Damn, what's the October 11th right now? Just to bring it back to a former tangent, how did Joaquin and River escape? Their parents left the cult or the mom left the cult. Maybe the dad didn't, but the mom left the cult. They ended up in California and were homeless, if I'm not mistaken. And then the kids got into community theater programs maybe through the school

or like through the LA sort of like system and we're noticed just like good actors and then we're children actors like pretty young early into their lives but they got out

matterly through the mother if I'm not mistaken. Yeah. Remember Joaqu did that interview on like Jimmy Kimmel or like Seth Myers and he was just like noticeably quiet

and he's just like the guy saying jokes and you're just like I don't No, I never saw it. Oh, yeah, he doesn't want to be there. He doesn't want to be there. And that was my first exposure to Walking Phoenix. Michael, this guy's insane.

He's like contractually obligated, I think, through certain movies to do pressers. He was promoting her. To do like these things. He's also a method actor, if I'm not mistaken. So he's doing a presser on like Kimmel. I think it is Kimmel. And Kimmel's like trying to be funny and like get him like to laugh. And Kimmel's like one of the OGs.

He's been doing this shit forever. He's a pussy. And. Thanks, Greece, those. leave that shit in. Kimmel's like an OG and is trying to get him to like laugh and stuff and he is just fucking Stonewall. Wow.

Like it's a crazy video to watch and he's like a dick and then the news goes nuts about it. And they're like, walking Phoenix is like they just go nuts. Like it's just such a big story. It was like 2011 probably. What movie was you? It must have been her. I don't know. Because I feel like after this press run he wasn't in Hollywood for like the

longest time. And then he came back. You got to take himself out of... Yeah, and then was his first big movie The Joker after all this? I think so. And then Napoleon. And Napoleon was horrible. Did he watch it? It was horrible. It was horrible. Really?

Yeah. It was just all about like the love interests. Are there any other cults that you can think of that you know about now that are like maybe more recent? QAnon is a cult. Kind of, but it doesn't have like the same enigmatic, like charismatic guy. It doesn't have like a leader at the top.

Like it has like this one. They have like this mystical guy on Q and on Qan or on a 4chan, but like he's not like a person necessarily. And they also, it seems like a lot of Colts now are like digital. Like that's what this guy Jennings was saying that I talked to. He's like, What's an example of one? I don't know any. The Rizzler.

The Rizzler might be a live family or whatever. Yeah. I mean, there's a couple. I don't necessarily want to say their names because again, they haven't been prosecuted. Okay. So like if you call them a name. Well, don't. Don't even say it.

But like there are, are they names that we would know? No. Okay. But they're, but they're. put their, and the way like they work, I think I explained part of it to you, but like literally it's, you have a Facebook group that's like,

hey, heal your kid. Like your kid has eczema. We can help him. And then they give them like holistic natural healing methods through this Facebook group. And then they're like, oh my God, this is amazing. Like, can you help me with like my marriage problems?

And they're like, yes, actually. The fact that you healed your kid is just one thing. Like, that's just the physical part. Now you need to cure your soul. And so now pay $10 a month to join like the group of this Facebook group. And you can't talk to other people in the group. You can only talk through me.

And so, like, they literally use, like, different social media platforms to, like, control the flow of information. And then they escalate more and more and more. And they're like, oh, your kid is, like, a latent bedwater? It's probably because he's being abused. Who's abusing him? Who else is in the house? Oh, your husband's in the house?

It's probably your husband doing it. Oh, wow. So they flip the people against each other. Against the people in their family in Iceland. And also, I imagine already the husband's like, honey, you got to get off the internet. like, I married you because you were like a cool, like, funny girl in college. And now you're just like already telling me crazy shit that we should like give our kids some. And then the cult leader is like, by the way, when you tell your husband, he's going to think you're crazy.

He's going to think you're crazy and he's not going to understand you. But we understand you. Yeah. And so then the woman tells her husband and the husband's like, babe, what are you talking about? And then they're like, see, he's already controlled by the opposition, by the spiritual underworld. You got to get out. And if you love your children, you have to take them with you. Yeah.

And then they set them up with like other people in different countries or different cities. Florida in the panhandle was like a spot for this one specific cult this guy Jennings would tell me about. And it's like, yeah, go there. They have like pretty free, like, you know, religious laws. They're not going to prosecute you. And you can live in a house with eight or nine other people

that all have gone to the same place. And then meanwhile, the cult leader, the woman is doing it all remotely in Hawaii. And so she's living out there, getting money from everyone and then controlling everyone through these, like, media platforms. And there's so many Netflix documentaries. Like, there's one that I just saw the other day. It's like, I forget the name of it.

But literally is like a bunch of people living in like the middle of the country. The thing was like Wyoming or like Arkansas. Yeah. And what? Just so far from different. Yeah.

Middle. Yeah. It's middle-ish. Yeah. But I forget exactly where it was. I'm like conflating two cults. But basically like they had this woman in this house and they were doing like the bunch of social media stuff and recruiting people to come in and join for like a session

and then all the same cult tactics. And then this woman ended up dying. She like got sick and like didn't do any medicine. She just did like, what do they call it? Colloidal silver. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And she basically, like, embalmed her body from the inside. Wow.

And then her, like, dead corpse was still in the house for, like, three weeks or four weeks because she was going to resurrect. Wow. And then her mom was the one that was like, hey, I haven't heard from my daughter. She's, like, running this organization. I don't really know what the deal is, and the police go in and investigate. Person is just dead. I feel like Colts would be more popular today.

Because I feel like there's more impressionable people in the world now. And the reach is way higher. And the reach is way. But I don't think these people, like, sort of want to ride with it. Like, it's sick to be a part of a couple of a car. cult online or it's sick to be like sort of questioning shit online but if they're like hey you got to move to new me and live in a dirt hut with me a lot of people who are like in the comfort of their home being like is this even real like questioning stuff online or like yeah my guess is there's

probably more cults but they're not as deep yeah yeah because back in the day if you were willing to like move to guy or like have children with this fucking guy like you really had to be like a very specific person and the tube is so skinny but also so deep. Nowadays I feel like the reach is wider but it doesn't go as deep. And there's also other alternatives. Like if you are an isolated person in the middle of the country, you don't necessarily need to join a cult. You can just find like a Pokemon group. You just ship post online. And like you have other connections and like more stable, less cult-like relationships you can build on the internet in the same vein. Yeah. Yeah. Pretty wild. What's the what's the one, and I just want to bring this up

because I think I was conflating Waco. You were just explaining that you were conflating two cults. I think I conflated a little bit of Waco with the one that was up in Washington State or Idaho or Oregon where there was like a major military, not military,

a major like ATF standoff. Oh, is this wild wild country? That documentary? Is it the Indian guru that it was controlling it? No, there's a similar to Waco. There was a guy like up in the and they wanted to come get him. I can't remember where. Damn, I'm not gonna remember it.

There's plenty of cults. Like, this is just like a short list of like hundreds that I was like breezing over. Yeah. Like there's some that happened in like Ghana that like 800 people died. Like these were like New Testament guys. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

They were basically like... Catholic? No, they were like, again, kind of like an offshoot of kind of sort of postmodern Christianity type thing. And they were like, we are going to follow the Ten Commandments perfectly. Yeah. So perfectly that they were, like,

they're like, okay, we don't want to like lie or speak ill of someone, so we're just not gonna talk. So none of them, it's like, a lot of them took a vow of like silence. So they're like, we're not gonna talk. And then they were controlled by like one major pastor and ultimately like 800 of them died. There was a cult once that talked about not,

like there were a purity cult so they wouldn't have sex. And the cult just died out over time because none of them were having kids. hilarious. That's so funny. Horrible planning. Yeah. But it is very funny that like,

because they can't recruit at the same time that they're dying. like they just slowly go away, fade it out. Yeah, well, I kind of feel like that was like a lot of like old, like old like old like mystery schools and stuff

like from way back in the day. Like they were like prominent religions at a specific time. Like the Mitherean, the Mithras. It was like a famous like mystery school that was like populated by a bunch of generals in ancient Greece at the time.

And again, it was a similar thing where like, it was so secretive and so like they were operating within like caves and stuff and like they weren't really having kids and they were just so dedicated to this guy.

Mithra that eventually they just die out. There's also so many people that are like these like crazy stories of really committed people in history who are really dedicated to their own brand of like quote unquote crazy or whatever their dedication is. But they don't seem to have the want to bring other people in. There's a guy who like lived on a tower his whole life. There's the other guy who like held his arm up. Oh yeah.

Oh, yeah. Yeah. Oh, I love that photo. That level, he's still alive. That level of dedication. He's still rolling. Of just like having your arm above your head. rotting away above you is the same amount of dedication that it takes to probably create a

fucking good cult. Yeah. He just didn't have the want to spread more or like the ideology that he's like God himself or whatever and then others should follow him. Yeah. Yeah. He just was like, I ride with my God and he's asked me to do this. Yeah. Yeah. You need like a combination of a couple things like which is like almost a sociopathie. You need to be yeah, you need to have a pathology. Like you need to believe that you are God in some form. And you want to. And you want to people to follow that you're God. Yeah, and then a desire for like intense control. Yeah.

And then also mixed with like a proper delusion that you think, oh God is talking. Charming and social and like. Yeah. Yeah, it's fascinating. Colt leaders are like a very specific thing. And then I imagine cult followers are also like a very specific pathology. Yeah. And once those two things fall together, the magnetism is like too big.

Yeah. And if you know someone that's in a cult, the advice that I got from this guy Jennings, he was like, just ask. Don't tell him not to go. don't tell them to get out because that's a part of the cult programming and that if you say oh, don't go to that,

this is a cult, that's a part of the program that they tell you that people are going to say about you. Don't do, yeah, yeah. They're like, people are going to think you're crazy, don't listen to them.

Yeah, so he's almost like, be supportive. Like, be curious. Reverse psychology. Yeah, be like, oh, how was your meeting? Like, what did you guys talk about? Like, if I'm interested,

like, what are the tenants of it? And then they start to notice, like, I don't want to say what it's about because it can be feeling comfortable. Like, oh, why can you share it? like ask like actual questions. And ultimately the hope is that, again, they're not reasoned into this place,

so you can't really reason them out of it. Yeah. But if you're able to like ask sort of leading and inquisitive questions to get them to a position where they're like, is this a cult? Yeah.

That's really the most effective way to get people out. Yeah. Okay. Who's your favorite cult leader? The man, nah. Whoever fuck the most. Nice.

Mine's Tony Dunjee. Who's that? Is he on a football player? Tony Dodgy was the coach. I'm out. on the Super Bowl. All right. Guys,

thank you so much for tuning in to this, our poorly research episode about cults, okay? Next week, we got something else.

Give it up for Miles for redeeming himself, finally. You did well. Thanks. Yeah, I think I'm not going to comment

negative stuff. And hopefully this turns... I'm gonna... You'll see me top comment. Yeah, I mean, maybe that would be fun. Let's just comment

who we think is better this episode. David or Miles. I didn't, I put in a poor performance. Also, I'm going to have that's creesos

to cut a bunch of racist things, I said. well including that that might help actually it might want to leave those in anyway thank you all so much this has been an episode of camp