Camp Gagnon - DISTURBING Proof the Nephilim are Real

Episode Date: October 1, 2026

Today, we dive deep into the fascinating world of ancient giants, lost history, and modern lore. From the legendary Kandahar Giant encounter in Afghanistan and eyewitness testimonies to biblical Nephilim, ancient Iranian mythology, and Alexander the Great’s encounters, we investigate the enduring stories of towering figures throughout time. We also explore the controversial claims surrounding Smithsonian giant skeleton cover-ups and examine where ancient lore intersects with modern fringe accounts. We separate myth from reality to uncover the truth behind these massive legends. Welcome to Camp! 🏕️ Shoutout to our sponsor: Brunt Work Wear -Get $10 off at BRUNT with code " CAMP " at https://www.bruntworkwear.com/CAMP #bruntpod Want the even WILDER theories? SIGN UP TO THE PATREON: https://www.patreon.com/cw/CampGagnon 👕🧢 Shop CAMP Merch: https://camp-rd.com/collections/ufo 🎟️ 🎫 Comedy Tour Tickets: https://markgagnonlive.com 🎩👽 Daily Dose Of History: https://www.dailytodayinhistory.com Timestamps: 00:00 - Welcome to Camp 02:09 - Christos YAPPIN 02:56 - Camp Joshua Tree Retreat 04:22 - Witness Comes Forward + Biblical Giants 08:11 - The Kandahar Giant Story 12:46 - Alexander The Great's Giants 17:44 - Iran's Ancient Giant Myths 20:18 - Giants in The Bible 22:50 - Smithsonian Giant Skeletons 28:34 - The Truth Behind The Giants 35:27 - Drop Your Thoughts #giant #giants #fyp #fypシ #foryou Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Sometime around 2002, a U.S. Army Patrol supposedly disappeared in the mountains of Canberhard. But when a Special Forces team went looking for them, they didn't find the Army Patrol. They found a cave full of shredded military gear, human bones, and allegedly something waiting inside. According to the story, a 12 to 15 foot giant with red hair and six fingers and two rows of teeth and a massive spear charged at the team. After taking out the giant, the body was allegedly wrapped in tarps and flown out to none other than Wright-Patterson Air Force Base. Today, we call this story the Giant of Kandahar. And here's where it gets really weird. Ancient Persians have told stories about giants in these very mountains for years.

Alexander the Great became connected to giant legends in this same place, and the Bible describes giants with six fingers and six toes. And for more than a century, American newspapers reported giant skeletons being dug up and then mysteriously disappearing. So was Kandahar just the perfect wartime legend, or did those soldiers truly find something that people have been talking about for thousands of years? This is the story of the Giants of Kandahar. So sit back, relax, and welcome to camp. What's up, dude, and welcome back to camp. My name is Mark Gagnon, and thank you for joining me in my tent where every single week we explore the most interesting, fascinating, and controversial stories from all time forever. That is what I do here as I find these crazy rabbit holes, and I just can't stop reading about it, and I deep dive

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there. Now, one last thing. I want to say what's up to my pal Christos. How are you, friend? What's going on, everybody? Cresos, no time because we need to jump into the Candaard giants, all right? This is a fascinating story. This is one of those things that comes out of like, you know, 2000s, you know, military kind of like Iraq intervention post 9-11. And there's a bunch of stories that come out of this period of time. Like, I don't know if you remember the Stargate of Iraq where there was allegedly a portal that was opened up under like a zigarat where like you know, there's like this, you know, the Ishtar Gate is what people will call it, where like, you know, they discover that there was like this portal and aliens were coming out,

and that's why America went into. There's all sorts of wild, crazy stuff. And I'm fascinated by these claims. And this story feels a little bit like that. So before we can really get into this story, we need to figure out where does this come from? Because this legend of the giant of Kandahar doesn't come from a leaked mission report or some type of official declassified file from the Pentagon. it seems to have developed through a series of anonymous military claims that appeared over more than a decade.

The earliest version shows up in 2005. That November, a Nephilim researcher named Steve Quayle appeared on coast-to-coast AM with George Norrie and told him about an email that he said he had received from a U.S. Air Force officer. Now, according to Quail, the officer claimed that he had seen the body of this enormous humanoid while stationed in Afghanistan, something roughly like twice. the size of a normal human person, weighing roughly around 1,100 pounds with like this kind of bizarre, strange odor. And according to that version, the body was flown to a secret military facility in Europe. And then in 2008, Quail went back on coast to coast with George Norie, and this time he brought on an anonymous military pilot with him. Now, the pilot claimed that while stationed in Afghanistan, he had personally helped transport the body of a giant that had been shot by the military. And he described it as roughly 12 feet tall, around 1,100 pounds.

And this time was six fingers on each hand. And this kind of like crude canvas-like shoes that he was wearing. And according to what the pilot said he was told, the body was eventually transferred back to a military base in Ohio, not Europe. And he never publicly identified the base by name, although later versions of the story would connect it to the infamous Wright-Patterson base. But even here, we still don't have the full story that everyone knows today. The version that we're talking about doesn't really arrive until 2016 when a filmmaker and Nephilim researcher L.A. Marzuli released an interview with an anonymous man known only as Mr. K.

This Mr. K. wasn't claiming that he had simply seen a body afterwards. He claimed that he had been there, that he had been a part of the military team involved in this very encounter. And his testimony would become the foundation for essentially everything that people now picture when they hear the words, the giant of Kandahar. So the story didn't suddenly appear from one anonymous caller. It kind of formed in layers over time.

So Steve Quayle was circulating claims about a dead giant in Afghanistan as early as 2005. And then an anonymous pilot added the military transport story in 2008. And then in 2016, Mr. K steps forward, claiming that he could finally explain how the body even got there in the first place. And this really matters because Quail and Marzuli, they're not like, hunted hunters looking for like Bigfoot or some undiscovered species. Their framework comes largely from the Bible. Yeah, from Genesis chapter 6, where the sons of God breed with human women and create what they call Nephilim. And when these Afghanistan claims emerged, they weren't looking at them as evidence of a new species. They were looking at them through a much older lens. What if the giants

of the ancient world never completely disappeared? I mean, if we take the Bible as you know, 100% truth. If the Bible is talking about giants, then certainly giants existed at some point. And perhaps these giants are still around. That is where the thread is coming from. Now, can any of these anonymous military claims be independently verified? Not right now. I mean, no, they haven't been. But by 2016, the pieces were in place that there was a giant that was in a cave and that the military had supposedly killed it and that someone had supposedly flown the body out of Afghanistan. And now, for the first time, a man claiming to have been on the ground when it happened was ready to tell his version of the story. So what did Mr. Kay actually say?

Well, according to the legend, sometime in 2002, during the opening phase of the war in Afghanistan, an American patrol was sent into a remote mountainous region near Kandahar. And then all of them disappeared. No radio contact, no extraction, nothing. So, of course, a special forces team is then sent into the mountains to figure out what happened to this group of soldiers. and eventually they reach an isolated cave. And before they go inside, they feel like something is wrong. Because scattered around the entrance is abandoned military equipment, supposedly belonging to missing American soldiers.

And then they start finding something more unsettling. They allegedly find bones. So when the team approaches the cave, this massive 12 to 15 foot tall humanoid being comes out. They describe it as having pale skin, covered in reddish hair, and they described it, having six fingers on each hand, six toes on each foot, and two rows of teeth, and it had a massive weapon, a giant spear. Now, according to the soldiers who supposedly told the story,

the creature immediately charged at them, and before the team can put it down, it drives the spear straight through one of the Americans, a soldier who is sometimes identified in later retelling simply as Dan. Everybody opens fire immediately, and after around 30 seconds of sustained fire, the giant finally collapses. But when the shooting stops, they're standing over something that in their mind it shouldn't exist. It's a body that is so massive that there is no way that these guys can carry it down the mountain themselves. Which brings us to the part of the story that is maybe the most telling. They call it the cleanup. According to the story, a Chinook heavy lift helicopter comes in under a communications blackout. The body, supposedly weighing somewhere

around like 1,300 pounds, gets wrapped in tarps, rigged beneath the aircraft and then flown to Bagram Airfield. It's then loaded into an unmarked transport aircraft and, transported to an undisclosed location. But in some of the later tellings of the story, that undisclosed location eventually gets a name. It's the same one that we mentioned earlier, Wright-Patterson Air Force Base, and Ohio. Now, that's a very important detail because Wright-Patterson isn't just a random Air Force Base. It's the home of the National Air and Space Intelligence Center, which is the military's primary center for analyzing foreign air and space technology. Its predecessor was literally called the Foreign Technology Division, and these are the people that were

tasked with studying unfamiliar aircraft and weapons and technology recovered or acquired from any of America's enemies. And if you've spent any time deep diving on any type of UFO lore, you've definitely heard of Wright Patterson because for decades, Wright Patterson has been one of the central locations in the supposed cover-up of recovered craft and alien bodies from specifically Roswell and even later Varginia in Brazil, all of which are famously said to have been hidden in the infamous Hanger 18. Now, does any of that stuff make the story more credible? I mean, not really. If anything, you could even argue the opposite, because Wright Patterson is almost like too perfect of a destination. If you're building a modern military legend about the government recovering something

that's like larger than life literally, that's the exact place that you would send it. It's like, look, they send Roswell there. They're obviously going to send the giant that we discovered an Afghanistan there. So that brings us to the part of the story that's actually maybe the most suspicious. Everyone involves supposedly gets hit with like the strictest classifications and non-disclosure agreements and all that stuff. So all the mission logs are altered or they're destroyed. All the surviving soldiers are told that what happened to them actually never happened. And the threat, according to the story, is pretty simple. I mean, hey, if you talk about this giant will kill you.

But underneath all the giant stuff, there is a piece of the story grounded in something absolutely real. In early 2002, the United States really was sending soldiers into the mountains of Afghanistan to, search and clear out caves. In January of 2002, American forces went into the Zawar-Kili cave complex, and they spent days searching and basically destroying the cave. That's the genius of this Kandahar giant story. The frame is entirely believable. I mean, the missing patrol, the team sent to find them, the cave search, all of that maps into real operations that are really happening. I mean, anytime there's, you know, patrolmen that are lost, special forces goes in to try to extract them. And we saw this in Iran just recently.

that there was a downed Air Force pilot and they sent in special forces to go extract him off a mountain. But when you add a giant into the mix, people start obviously asking questions. So instead of trying to prove if the story is real, we can do something here that's maybe more useful. Ask yourself why this specific story in this specific place hit as hard as it did. Around like 330 BC, this guy named Alexander the Great, you probably heard of him. He was marching east through a region that the ancient world called Erecoccia. And this is an old Persian province in the modern Kandahar region. And this is really the first weird connection to this whole story.

Later sources describe a city called Alexandria in Arcosia. And they supposedly founded or refounded this city during Alexander's conquest. And for a long time, people have connected that city with ancient Kandahar. Now, we can't say with certainty that Alexander the Great personally stood there and drew a line of the dirt and founded the city that became Kandahar. but we can say that Alexander marched through this exact region, and that later tradition permanently connected Arcosia and Kandahar with Alexander the Great. Fun fact, there's even a claim that the name Kandahar itself is a worn down version of Exander, which is the Persian and Arabic version of Alexander, Kandahar, Exander.

You can kind of hear the connection. And maybe it's not true. Scholars have proposed a bunch of different origins for that name, including a possible connection to the ancient kingdom of Gandhar, but even that isn't proven. So the Exander-Alexander connection is kind of like folk etymology, but the fact that people made the connection at all tells you something about how people generally perceive this region.

So for centuries, this part of the world has been attached to the memory of Alexander the Great Moving East into the unknown, conquering unknown lands. But Alexander didn't just leave behind history. He also left behind, I mean, an entire mythology. It's called the Alexander Romance. This is a massive collection of legendary stories about Alexander that spread across the ancient and medieval world, eventually appearing in Greek and Latin and Persian and Arabic and Ethiopic and dozens of other traditions.

And the farther these stories traveled, the less Alexander was just a Macedonian general kind of conquest in the world. And he started to look more like Odysseus, more like a character out of mythology. So the legendary version of Alexander, I mean, he journeys into impossible land. and he encounters monstrous races and gigantic creatures, and he searches for the edges of the world. And in some later traditions of these legends, he reaches a mountain passage and constructs this massive barrier to imprison these terrifying people who eventually became identified as Gog and Magog.

Yes, the very same Gog and Magog from the Bible, or as my Muslim friends would call it, Yuge and Majouge. So when someone tells you, like, you know, Alexander fought giants in the caves of Kandahar, we're kind of connecting two separate things. There's no surviving battlefield report from Alexander saying, like, we reach Candahard, we kill giants. That's not like verified history.

It's sort of the merging of Alexander's real campaign through the east, going through this region with legends and monster stories that accumulated around his mystique many centuries later. Hey guys, we're going to take a break real quick because this episode is sponsored by Brunt Workwear. I got the Marin Boot right here. And what immediately stood out to me, about this is the quality. They feel substantial. They are genuinely comfortable. And just being honest,

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stick with Alexanders because the region already had these monsters. Long before the Alexander mythology ever existed, Arakoja was part of the ancient Iranian world. The region even appears in the Avesta. This is the sacred text associated with ancient Zoroastrianism under its old name, the Harexvati. And buried inside the larger Iranian mythological tradition is a creature called the divv. And the div isn't just what we would think of as like a little demon. The word, could come to mean like demon, but it could also mean monster or ogre, or in some translations, literally a giant. And when Persian literature actually describes these things, the similarities are a little weird. So ancient Persian Zoroastrian legend around these giants, they describe

massive humanoid beings covered in thick hair. They have huge teeth. Some have monstrous hands or even claws or like abnormal bodies. And some of them eat. humans. So in the great Persian epic, the Shahnameh, heroes reportedly traveled into remote and dangerous landscapes to actually fight these beings. And one of the most famous stories is of the White Dive, a creature living in this almost inaccessible mountain strongholds surrounded by other creatures or demons until the hero Rostom goes in and kills it. Now, here is an important distinction. I'm not saying ancient Persians wrote down the Giant of Kandahar story 2,000 years ago. That's technically not true.

There's no ancient text describing a 13-foot-tall red-haired creature with six fingers standing outside a cave near Kandahar. But there is something fascinating happening right here because centuries before American soldiers supposedly encountered a gigantic man-eating giant in the mountains of Afghanistan, the cultures surrounding this exact part of the world, this exact region, are already telling stories about gigantic, hairy, man-eating giant monsters living on the outskirts. of civilization. And then Alexander comes through. Alexander himself becomes surrounded by these same stories about giants and monstrous races. And then eventually all of these traditions get layered on top of the same exact landscape. So by the time the giant of Kandahar story appears in the 21st century on coast to coast a.m. It doesn't arrive just in a vacuum. It lands on top of more than 2,000 years of monster and giant mythology about this exact place. And then Christianity gives the creature a completely different name. Christianity calls it the Nephilim. Now, like I mentioned earlier,

Genesis obviously talks about the sons of God coming down and mating with human women and creating the Nephilim, which many people interpret as giants. But that's not the only place. Because in 2nd Samuel 21, Israel fights a group of giant warriors connected to Rafah and the Philistine city of Gath, the same city associated with Goliath, the same Goliath that fights with David. The passage names giants like Ishby Benab and Saf. But there's one giant who's only described by his physical features. And the verse says verbatim, and there was yet a battle in Gath, where there was a man of great stature that had on every hand six fingers and on every foot, six toes, four and twenty in number, and he also was born to the giant. And then even in First Chronicles chapter 20, verse six, the passage names the giants

of Sipai and Lami, who actually is the brother of Goliath. But The giant with six fingers on each hand and six toes on each foot shows up again in the exact same way only as a description, which is weird because it's almost the exact same detail that we find in the Kandahar story, six fingers and six toes. But technically, he's not called a Nephilim. And this is where modern Nephilim lore starts blending with different biblical traditions. So you have the Nephilim of Genesis and in the book of numbers, and then you have the Anakim, descendants of Anak, including Ahiman, Shishai, and Talmai and Hebron. And then the Raphaim giants of Gath, including Goliath, Ishbi Banab, Saff, Lami, and that unnamed six-fingered, six-toed warrior thing. So the Canterhaard giant is kind of a collage. The Nephilim gives the identity and the rooting that this is a thing that

happened because of, you know, sort of something going wrong within God's law, the sons of man breeding with human women. And then the giants of Gath give these six fingers and the six toes. And then later giant folklore gives red hair and teeth. And then the Persian d'ave stories give the giant monster lurking in the mountains of Kandahar. So either all these traditions preserve pieces of the same ancient phenomena or somebody knew exactly which pieces to stitch together to create the perfect war story. My name is Siyaya and I live in the most beautiful place on earth. Seven months ago I blew up my life and a lot has shifted since then. Everyone is moving forward.

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So if giants are real and the military really hauled one out of Afghanistan, well, then the next question is like, well, where's the giant? Like, where's the giant right now? And this is where the Kandahar story plugs into a much older American mystery. Because long before anyone was talking about the giant of Kandahar, newspapers across the United States were reporting the discovery of giant human skeletons. Perhaps the earliest, most notable story is in 1897. The New York Times ran a story out of Maple Creek, Wisconsin, claiming a burial mound had been open containing the skeleton of a man measuring more than nine feet tall. But not only that, he had this enormous skull and copper artifact. facts buried beside him. But other newspapers published similar stories throughout the 19th

the 20th century. I mean, you would see stories of seven foot skeletons, eight foot skeletons, massive skulls, strange teeth, bones pulled from ancient burial mounds, and sometimes the story ends exactly where you would expect. The remains were sent away. They were put in a museum or a university or sent to an institution to be studied further. And then decades later, no one seems to know where they went. Now, the newspaper report isn't the same thing as having the bones sitting like on the table right here. Some of those reports absolutely could have been exaggerated or mismeasured or just been straight up hoaxes. But here's where the story gets really weird because it wasn't only newspapers reporting these unusually large

skeletons. The Smithsonian's own 19th century archaeological work also contained them. In the 1880s, an organization associated with the Smithsonian called the Bureau of Ethnology. They launched a massive investigation of the ancient burial mound spread across the Eastern United States. And in one of the published reports, there are several descriptions of unusually large human remains. In multiple amounts, the team recorded unusually large skeletons measuring more than seven feet tall. So yeah, by today's standards, that doesn't seem like an insanely impossible thing, especially when you just watch the NBA. You're like, yeah, there's like three guys in the court right now. They're taller than seven feet. But when you're talking

about a civilization that lived centuries ago, didn't have the same resources available that we do now, the same access to nutrition or protein. It does raise some questions. But the most famous case came from a mound in West Virginia. Deep inside a timber burial vault, investigators discovered a skeleton that they described as being unusually large size and measured to be around 7 feet, 6 inches and 19 inches between the shoulder sockets. Now, the burial itself was amazing.

The body had been apparently wrapped in bark, and there were six heavy copper bracelets on each wrist, a copper ornament on the chest, plates of mica, hematite tools and multiple black flint spearheads, including three placed directly in each hand. Now, obviously, seven foot six is not, you know, the 13-foot monster from Kandahar, but there's still a remarkable discovery to find this massive human being, specifically for the time. And more importantly, it means something that gets lost in the whole story, and it kind of gets reduced to like, oh, people on the internet are inventing giant skeletons.

They're not. I mean, sometimes they are, but not always. because people have been reporting these things for over a century, and federal researchers were genuinely excavating thousands of ancient burials across the country. I mean, the Smithsonian today acknowledges that its collection contains more than 30,000 sets of human remains. Roughly half of them are Native American. And that's essentially the historical basis for, like, the Smithsonian has giants hidden in their vaults conspiracy. The idea says that whenever unusually large remains appear,

the Smithsonian quietly collects them, removes them from public. view and eventually they get destroyed or, you know, they bury the evidence, you know, in their vaults because giants for them don't fit the accepted story of North American history. Now, can we prove that theory? No. There's no verified order saying like, hey, destroy all the giant skeletons. There's no inventory showing like, hey, here's the secret warehouse filled with nine foot humans. But the weird thing with this part of the story isn't that the whole thing's fabricated. The weird part is that there really was an enormous 19th century mound excavation program. there really were human remains that were being collected, and there were old reports of

skeletons exceeding seven feet. I mean, going back hundreds or even thousands of years, which is very unusual. And there really are newspaper archives filled with claims of even larger ones that the New York Times of all publications ran. But the question of what happened to every individual set of bones in these stories is way harder to answer. I mean, you have thousands upon thousands of human remains passing through institutional collections, and you of modern military legend where another impossible body is supposedly recovered and then never heard from again. That's the connection Kandahar believers make, because the giant of Kandahar for them isn't the beginning of the coverup. It's just the latest version of the coverup.

It's just the latest giant to disappear into this archive that gets buried up. And the last piece of this story is the man who supposedly watched all of it happen. So remember, the strongest version of the Kandahar giant legend leans on a small number of alleged insiders. Mr. K plus various unnamed contractors and operators whose testimony supposedly brought the 2002 event into public view over the following years. The Department of Defense position, I mean, they just say it never happened. It's just flat denial. There's no record, no casualty, no engagement matching that description in Kandahar province in that time frame. Now, people who believe in this story, they say, yeah, of course the military in the Department of Defense.

or Department of War, like, they're going to deny it because that's what they do. That's what compartmentalization is for. Modern militaries do run programs that are so tightly walled off that, you know, people that are two deaths away have no idea what the other person's working on. So the official record showing nothing is exactly what a real cover-up and a total fabrication would both look like. It's a little bit of like a Kafka trap, you know, it's like, hey, military, you got giants, and they're like, no.

And it's like, that's what the military with giants would say. And so that's unfortunately the honest, frustrating heart of the whole story, that the denial from the government doesn't settle anything and neither does the testimony. I mean, in this case, like, on one hand, you have a handful of anonymous claims about this crazy, crazy story. And then you have a government that says nothing ever happened. And with no physical object anywhere in the middle, it's kind of hard to break the tie. I mean, you compare this story with, you know, a case like the recent government UAP file release where you can actually pull up. a document on a federal website and then just read it yourself. The Kandahar giant story doesn't really have anything like that. It has never produced a single artifact that you can independently

examine anywhere. So when you strip it down, here's basically what you're left with. Every piece surrounding the giant of Kandahar has something real underneath it, right? Like the mountains are real, the caves are real, the ancient giant traditions are real, the newspaper reports of giants are real. The Smithsonian excavations are real and the military operations in Afghanistan were obviously very real. Now the question is whether somewhere inside of all of this, the giant is real too. Because that's the one piece that we can't know for certain and it is the most interesting piece. So maybe the soldiers really did encounter something in these mountains that shouldn't have existed. And what happened afterwards was exactly what people claim. Like, hey, the body was wrapped up,

flown out, buried somewhere inside the military system, never be seen again. Or maybe somebody took the dave in the cave story and the giants of the Bible. Where some see heroes and others see egos. Bloomberg sees the era of billionaire athletes. A fad to some, the future of money to others. We see crypto's trillion dollar swings. The end of jobs or the end of human struggle. We see the endless funds fueling the AI hype.

While others follow the noise, we follow the money. Learn more at Bloomberg.com. The monster stories around the Alexander the Great Legend and the lost skeletons of these American newspapers and the very real secrecy and violence of the war in Afghanistan. And of course, I mean, the total secrecy of the U.S. government in general and stitched them into a perfect story. And that, my friends, is the story of the Giants of Kandahar. I mean, this is one of those I remember reading about. again, I brought up the Iraq Stargate earlier. It's like, on the one hand, so fun.

Like, if I saw a movie about this, have they made a movie about this? There's no way. I feel like I would have seen it. I'll look into it. But if they did, it's like the perfect movie. It's like, hey, we're going here to like fight the enemy. And then all of a sudden we discover a way worse enemy,

a way more terrifying enemy. Also, I feel bad for the giant. Hot Tick. He was just in his cave doing nothing for thousands of years alone, ostensibly, no one else around. He's the last of his race still living in these mountains where he's inhabited them. He's indigenous to these mountains. Like as a woke liberal ally of the indigenous peoples, he is the indigenous that's living in a cave, minding his own business, doing what he does. All of a sudden, these patrol guys show up. He eats them. One, he's hungry. Two, they're trying to

probably attack him. And then more special forces guys show up. And he's like, oh, my goodness, I got to take these guys out too. Valiantly tries to kill one with a spear. And then they kill him. after 30 seconds of gunfire, mind you. I mean, he was taking some spray. So if this giant is real, justice for the giant of Kandahar. Let's get that slogan gone. This guy is completely misunderstood.

Imagine a guy like Wembe just being shot at. That's what I'm saying. Like, that's the thing. If Wembe existed in Persia in like 500, he would be a giant. I mean, he's a giant now. Yeah. So, like, that part is not crazy to me.

Now, as far as like the, you know, remains that were actually discovered in America, like 7 foot 6 is tall, very tall, but not impossible. And people are like, yeah, the averages have gone up, I get it, but like, LeBron James is very tall. Wembe's super tall.

Like, Wembe probably had a good dive. But think about how many American basketball players that grew up, like, just eating like ego waffles and gummy bears all day, and still grew to be like 7 foot 8. Probably some of them. Bam out of bio. How tall is he?

He's 7-1. 7.1. Like, where'd he grow up? I know he went to Kansas for college. I don't know what his home life was like, but I can't imagine he's eating like, you know, just raw protein every single day from the ages of like two to 15.

You know what I mean? Like, correction, Bamatabaya 6-9. Dang, dude. Short, I got short, dude. Also, there's a adventure documentary called Colossil, Fallen Angels and the Giant of Kin, the Horror, 2025. Fine, I'll watch it.

On the Roku channel. All right, I'll check it out. Now, I'm just, like, okay, so they've discovered remains. The remains are pretty tall. Again, not for sure giants, but like they're tall. That's really cool. That's like sick. I love that. But it's not like super compelling me that they're full on giants. Now, you get into the biblical account with the Nephilim, as a Christian, I'm like, all right, there's something going on. Maybe. Maybe it's a metaphor. Maybe that's like a flowery interpretation. It's an ancient text that kind of gets transliterated over time.

and the context is sort of lost. Maybe this is sort of a symbolic thing. I don't know exactly, but I'm like, as far as my ranking of this, I'm like, Kandahar Giants is an all-time story, an amazing legend, but it's difficult for me to fully substantiate, you know, without seeing any type of evidence or even getting some type of like firsthand account from someone, even if it's anonymous about what happened, you know. If I could actually talk to someone to be like, what's going on, show me a credential,

then I'd be a little bit more compelled. but for now, I want it to be true, but my skepticism is getting the best of me. Also, they only have one extra finger than us. That's funny. And one extra toe. Yeah, you're like, dude, that's giant, having an extra finger. Which I've seen some people that actually have that.

But it's not useful. No, it is. Oh, really? I saw a guy recently, he posted on Reddit where he's like, yeah, I have six fingers. Greatest place for all the truth in the world for Reddit. Awesome, right? I mean, I'm assuming it's true. I mean, he did like a whole Q&A.

This is like years ago. pre-AI. And he like had, he had another appendage that was like functional, which is kind of sick. Maybe annoying because like gloves don't work and like there's certain things where you're like,

these scissors are like just so annoying. But kind of cool if you can just like, be like, yeah, check it out. People would think your AI in every picture they take. You should be a great piano player. You would think, right? Yeah. Get to work.

Now, that's just my take on Canterhar. What do you think, Christos? Are you compelled? Are you fully a believer of the giants of Candahar? I think the fact that it's very conservative, the number of fingers, only two rows of teeth, only seven foot six,

it's kind of believable. Keep in mind, that's a biblical account as well. So you're leaning on something there that the dude listening is like, as a Christian, you know what I mean? You kind of got a roll with it. Yeah. So I don't know.

I'm like, let me say, maybe at some point, giants are possible, maybe. Mm-hmm. But what was discovered in Kandahar and allegedly flown to Wright-Patterson Air Force Base, I'm going to say it was not a giant until I see more evidence. That's just my take. What do you think, dude? Comment below. Please, I would love to know your thoughts.

If you were on this operation, I'm sorry for denying your truth. But please, I mean, let me know. Shoot me a DM on Instagram. Write me an email. Or just comment below YouTube, Spotify. I read all the comments. Even if I don't get back to you, someone else will and it will be productive for the conversation. Just be nice about it.

And if there's anything about the story of this legend that I miss, please let me know. Like drop a comment. Maybe I'm completely missing the point. And if that's the case, I will absolutely redo this episode with more factual information if you can supply it. I am not immune to the truth and I am wrong all the time and just consistently a dumb guy. So maybe that's what's happening right now. Please let me know.

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