Camp Gagnon - Drug Kingpin Reveals How He Made $3,000,000 a WEEK

Episode Date: April 11, 2023

Former NYC kingpin Unique Mecca Audio sat down with me to talk about how he made $3,000,000 a WEEK, dealt for Pablo Escobar, and how he survived 27 years in federal prison. WELCOME TO CAMP.Thanks to Morgan & Morgan for sponsoring today's episode!Mark Gagnon is our HostWill Schwartz is our Content Producer and Lead EditorSudhanshu Kumar Jha provides Additional EditingSpencer Weinstein & Gabriel Reyes are our Community ManagersKostis Zacho, Gabriel Reyes, & Theodore Bukvic are our C...

And so what happened in that deal, though? It went sour. They came running up on the roof, busing their gun, and I had to get up off of the day. You were selling or buying? No, I was supposed to be coping, but I was fake robbing. The robbery went sour. If they had it, I wanted it. What do you mean, fake robin?

No, I say fake robin because it didn't work. You know what I mean? It was a real robbery. You know what I said? I was faking because I got shot up four times and jump off the bridge, off the building. Right. But they knew that you were trying to stick them up. How did they know?

Yeah, they knew. I went and said, give me your shit. That's wild confidence. Were you alone? I was with somebody. They didn't make it, but, you know, it is what it is. You know, like I said, you win some, you lose some. That's the life on the street. That's why I tell the kids don't go on the street. It's not worth it. I don't have 30 cars at one time. I owned a big ass club with selling 25 keys a day.

I had all the jewelry, all the women. I house in Miami with swimming pool jacuzzi, bought my mother. I house big 750 BMW. BMW. I did everything you could dream of before I was 30 years old. And then I had to sit in jail for the same amount of time for 27 years. This is unique Mecca Audio. He is a legendary New York crack kingpin that dominated the New York drug market in the 80s before getting sentenced to life in prison. And today we're going to talk about how he got out, how he made nearly $3 million a week at the height of his crack empire. Why he sold Pablo Escobar's cocaine.

And lastly, why he thinks Donald Trump is the greatest president of all time. This conversation is just truly amazing. Unique is a master storyteller. So without further ado, enjoy my conversation with Unique. Welcome to Camp. This is the first podcast that I've ever done where we're popping a bottle of champagne. Okay, well, I do a lot of first.

Yeah. All right, you have a fascinating story, and I just want to get into it, okay? I want to start from the very beginning. So born in Jamaica, in the real Jamaica, not Jamaica, Queens. Yeah, Kingston, Jamaica, to realize. Yeah, Kingston. And you grew up there, and you lived there

until you were about eight years old, right? Yeah. So what was that like growing up in Jamaica at that time? time. That was the training point for survival. I basically look at it because they even told us this growing up that Jamaica was the dumping ground for the unruly slaves on the slave ship that couldn't come to North America, the ones that was acting up on the actual slave ship that they felt they wouldn't be able to tame that had too much buck in them, as we say today. They dropped them off in Jamaica because they didn't want to bring them amongst the other

compliant slaves. So they left them there, you know, in Jamaica. So it's like, you know, we're outspoken people and, you know, we just, we just learned to survive because we had nothing. So we just made the best out of nothing, you know? And what did your parents do in Jamaica? My father was a furniture maker and my grandmother was a baker, you know, it was a town baker. She used to bake wedding cakes and things like that. Oh, that's cool. That's you, she was baking for you when you were a kid? Oh, man.

I mean, I ate everything she baked, so it wasn't baking for me, you know? You were stealing it. Oh, man. I used to love when she used to let me take my finger and scoop it in and get the ice, you know, the filling out the pan. Yeah. You know, the mix tastes better than the actual cake sometimes. That's always how it is, though. So you already know.

Especially when grandma makes it. There you go. Yeah, exactly. And then what was your mom doing? Oh, you know, my mom was just helping my grandmother with the bacon, you know. But, you know, it's not like we had jobs down there where, and females wasn't even considered to have jobs unless it was, you know, domestic work.

You know what I mean? Like a maid for somebody or something like that. Right. Yeah, because there was no big businesses down there with it. Oh, let me go get a job doing this or a job doing that. Right. But strong Jamaican woman around you, though, growing up. Yeah, all, all the time.

Because the women is the one that hold the household down. Right. My mother's 88 still living. And it's funny you mention that because, you know, when I got locked up, And the first time I spoke to my mother on the phone, I was, you know, going through the process. I just got indicted and, you know, got my little phone call, talked to my mother.

And her mother said was, you know, you know what you got to do, baby. You know what I mean? And that was it. And that, you know, it didn't mean nothing but just be a man. Yeah. You know what I mean? And handle it. Like, I put myself in that situation.

I got to handle it. Yeah, own up. Yeah, that's cool. And so Johnny mentioned something. Johnny Mitchell is who connected us. He mentioned something in his bio, about you that you didn't really have shoes at all growing up. No, I didn't get my first pair of shoes

till I was getting on the plane to come to America. Wow. You know? Yeah, that's wild. And did you enjoy growing up in Jamaica? Was it, was it a fun experience? I mean, you know, when you're young, you don't have nothing to compare it to,

so I'll have to say I loved it. You know what I mean? I loved everything I've been through in my life. I love living in abandoned buildings. You know what I mean? I love living in the herb gates. I mean, you know, I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy, but I mean, at the time I loved it because, you know,

like I said, from the island, I was taught to just make the best out of a bad situation. Right. Yeah, make lemonade out of lemon. Was it a safe area that you were growing up in Jamaica at the time? Hell, no. I was in the heart. I was in Franklin Town.

Kingston, like, you know, Kingston is the capital. Right. You know, and that's where all the political wars was really going on. That's the capital. So, you know, they needed to vote for it. And that's where a lot of the violence came from. But we learned, you know, we learned about blood and violence just for my daily upbringing. Because, you know, to eat, you had to, you know,

kill what you eat, you know, and that's why at a young age, I learned the difference between, you know, killing and murder, you know, you all hear that and you just think it's one of the same. What's the difference? You know, you killed to survive, you know what I mean? Like, you know, you kill a goat, you know,

you kill a sheep, you kill a buffalo, and then you eat it. You know what I mean? So you're doing that for survival. Murder is premeditated, you know what I mean? You plan to do it. You know what I mean? For whatever, you know, me, gains, losses or whatever, jealousy, envy.

Like, I'm going to kill him because, you know, I'm gonna murder him because he did this. But we use the word so loosely that we'll quickly say, oh, he killed him, he's gonna kill him. No, killing is for survival, you know? Murders when you go rob a store and murder somebody. You know, say he robbed the store and killed the store owner. No, he murdered the store owner because he went in there to rob it

and knew that if he did something, he had to murder him to get out. He didn't have to kill him to get out. didn't have to kill him to get out. So the big distinction there is survival. Yeah, big distinction. But, you know, we learned these things grown up from in the islands. You understand to really put clarity to, you know, the madness that we was going through. Yeah.

And a lot of Americans, I think they look at Jamaica and they think, like, oh, Bob Marley. They think cruise ship to Kingston and, you know, drinks. I mean, that's Montego Bay, Ocho Rios. Those are the tourist areas. Exactly. That's what a lot of Americans think of when they think of Jamaica. but that's not the true experience. That's not really what I was like.

But that's why when you go down to the resorts, they tell you don't leave the resort. Because anything outside the resort, you make yourself free a game, you know? And the gang situation there, they respect the tourist areas. They don't really mess with it. No, no, they don't go around there

because they don't care. You know, it's the same all over the world. I don't have been all over the world. I mean, as far as just like in New York, when the cocaine first came, it was all right when, you know, it stayed in the black neighborhoods and blacks was doing it.

But when the whites came to the black neighborhoods to cop the drugs to do it to bring it back to the white neighborhood, now America have a problem. Right. But when you had the dope fiend shooting dope on 116th Street, you know what I mean? And cheese line 1006th, that was good. But when they start seeing white people on the lines, now we have a problem. Right. The government doesn't care if black people are killing black people. But as soon as white people get involved, then all of a sudden it's a big problem.

Because I mean, you know, look what's going on in Chicago. You know what I mean? If that was happening in Beverly Hills. or, you know, certain areas in... National crisis. Yeah. You know, like what was happening in Harlem. We couldn't come down to Midtown and do that.

You understand? Right. But we could get away with it up in Harlem all day. Right. You know? The government kind of turns a blind eye of the police. Yeah, because it's all about money. They protect the ones that's voting and paying taxes.

Right. You know, there wasn't that many people, you know, paying taxes or even voting, you know, in Harlem and the Bronx and all the ran down neighborhoods. Yeah, of course. Slick politicians came in. and said certain things to sell us a good dream to get us to the ballot box and then after that kicked us in the button

and said, get up out of here. Always, bro. You know, I'll see you in the next two years. Yeah, these politicians will tell you anything, anything you want to hear, you know? And, you know, that's how I look at it. It's like the politicians, they give out the food stamps, the EBT, back in the day the cheese from the cheese line,

and it's really just to keep them comfortable, you know, until the next election and give them the bare minimum to survive. Just placating everyone. It was not too bad. No, no, exactly. But bad enough. But it's terrible. But we don't know it's terrible.

Like, I didn't know it was terrible to not have a pair of shoes until I was seven. Right. Because that was the norm, you know, just like the people up in Harlem and, you know, South Bronx back in the day. They didn't know they was living in poverty. You understand what I'm saying? Right. They was just living and surviving. Right.

Because they had nothing to compare poverty to. Yeah, of course. You know? Yeah. And so you mentioned also in Jamaica that there was a political. affiliation with the gangs and that like the politicians would kind of protect the gangs a little bit and that there was the gang the gangs protected the politicians oh really you know the politicians came remember we're talking about white men came from england you know manly and siego right they come

down there and they in a third world country with a bunch of poor black people so in order not to get you know eating alive by them they came down and they you know bought what they called trinkets you know They brought them hope, you know, that we're going to build you houses, you know, if you vote for me, you know? And if the other party get on, they're not going to build the houses for you. So therefore, if anybody's going to go vote for the other party to put a ballot in a ballot box, you make sure you stop that. Whether you firebomb the ballot box or you kill the person putting it in a ballot box. Right. But we just want our vote.

Yeah. You know, and that's the way they work it. And were your parents aware of the gang situation happening in Jamaica at the time? Yeah, everybody was because we lived in it. We was in it. That's like asking somebody, like, I'm comparing everything to today so you can understand it better because you're a little younger from a different time. Yeah.

But just like you got the gangs, you know, in California, the gangs in Chicago, the gangs in New York, you know, the people that live are in the building amongst them. They know everything that's going on, but you just know to stay clear of it and try and keep your loved ones away from it. And your parents were cautioning you as a young kid, like, hey, don't get involved with this. Hell, no. I mean, nobody had those type of conversations because bottom line is we didn't have no money. So if you go get involved in something on the street and it brought home money, you know, bring it.

You know what I mean? Because, I mean, you poor. You're not going to say, don't bring the money because that's blood money. That's the TV crap. You know what I mean? When you ain't got a pair of shoes on your feet and somebody give you a chance to make a dollar, you're not going to say, how did you make this or where did you make it from? Yeah, this is the survival element.

Exactly. Whereas like, once it's survival, anything goes. Exactly. Exactly. And that's why you got casualties of war. You know what I mean? Casualties are survival. You know what I mean? Somebody going to stick up and, you know, one lose their life, you know, that's a casualty. Right. You know what I mean? We feel sorry for him, but I mean, we knew that was a part of the consequences when he went on the jokes. The same way you get picked up for, you know, selling drugs, you know, or robbing the bank or whatever you're doing. You already know that there's a chance of you getting caught and going to prison. but then you also know that you shut the fuck up yeah you understand what I'm saying

yeah exactly you made the choice to do that if you didn't want to risk on the prison you shouldn't have went and broke the law yeah and that's why on my YouTube a unique maker audio I tell them don't get involved so they don't have to make these choices you know I took 3,500 hours in a federal prison with the psychology department to find out why my mentality was like this and now I got to understand it on why I'm twisted, you know, because a lot of people, like when we was in prison, there was always people saying, oh, he burnt out, this one is burnt out, that one is burnt out, and dude said, man, I ain't burnt out, you know what I mean? Like, you know, like, I'm not crazy. You have to be

some type of crazy because they have us living in a cage. And that's an unnatural environment that God didn't create for us. We just learned how to survive in the cage. But we're not as sane or normal as those that haven't been placed in the cage. Yeah, of course. That's not the way we're meant to be. Exactly. But it is tough, though, if you're born into it, it's hard to know that there's any other way to be.

Yeah, but, you know, there's always choices. There's choices to go good, even born in it. Because, you know, we had lawyers and doctors in Jamaica, but we just didn't know any. There was none around us in our neighborhood. It was just like here in America, you know, grown up in Harlem back in the days, we didn't know no, no doctors or lawyers,

living next door to us. If they live next door to us, they went from point A to point B and then locked their door to lock us out. They never stopped to see us on the street as children and say, hey, you know, you ought to think about being a lawyer or think about going to school. Ain't nobody never said that. The ones that had that education that had those choices and made those choices, last thing they thought about was anything outside of their immediate loved ones. And that was the deterioration, you know what I mean, of the whole. hoods because you're like we had garbage men you know what I mean garbage man was looked down upon back then you understand if somebody said that their father was a garbage man he got teased

you know but that's a job right a legal job when he's paying the bills right and right now behind them being teased by it you know the government doesn't change the name from garbage men to sanitary sanitary you know engineers you know what does he do what is he engineer oh he's a garbage man he picks up the garbage sounds better though you can't call him that yeah exactly you got to call him a sanitation engineer yeah exactly and so you moved when you're eight years old why did your parents move to new york specifically no um or to jeremy all our family was up here in new york you know and you know jersey and you know Miami but you know my mother father they came up and both of them worked for about seven years before they brought us up so they had a little money and they had a one-bedroom

apartment in New Jersey and you know so we came up in Kennedy Airport we went there and it was you know me and my three brothers and sisters my mother and father and my mother and father was renting out the one bedroom and they were sleeping in the living room and then now they bought six children up so you know me and my brother slept in the bathtub and my sister slept pulled two chairs together you know I mean I mean we just we're survivors man we made the best of it yeah of course you know and then we got you know eventually walked up getting a house but I I started going over to visit my family members and friends that I knew from Jamaica at a young age and, you know, in Brooklyn. And they was into the drugs and the streets.

And that's how I picked it up. But to be honest, if I would have never crossed the bridge and stayed in Jersey, I might have been a doctor or a lawyer. Oh, really? You know what I mean? But once you come over here, it's like it was welcoming to sell drugs. It was an honor. You know what I mean? You was a hero for selling drugs

because now you can provide for your family. Exactly. So what are you thinking as an 8-year-old, getting on an airplane, leaving the island and all of a sudden stepping into one of the biggest cities in the world? Like, do you remember how you felt? Yeah, you know, I'm getting ready to go pick money off of trees

like they told me it was, you know? I said there was money grown from trees in America. So I was excited. I couldn't wait. I wanted to see the money tree, you know? But they just meant it was opportunity. Right. You know, but we was told that it was money grown from trees.

Right. And you believe them. You're like, I'm going to go find an oak tree. You believe in Santa Claus, didn't you? Of course. Okay, so we believed the money growing on trees. Wow. You know, as a kid, you believe what they tell you.

Remember, we're a blank sponge when we born. Yeah. What's it put in it? You know what I mean? If you put grape soda in it, you're going to have, you know, what's that grape-colored, you know, sponge. Yeah. You know, if you wipe it up with water,

you're going to have what looks like a clean sponge. Yeah, just absorbing everything around you. Yeah. Were you sad at all, like leaving your friends in Jamaica or anything like that? Hell, no, I was happy. You know what I mean? We are happy because we all heard about foreign. That's what we called it.

We didn't even call America. It said foreign. A lot of people went to England too. So we just said went to foreign to leave the island. And, you know, we couldn't even tell nobody we was leaving. Why? Because they'll put what they call, Obrowbrow, which is what you all called voodoo on them, you know, meaning people would, you know, pray for your demise, you know.

Just like when you're leaving prison, you can't tell people that you get ready to go home. Because when they find you get ready to go home, that's when, you know, misery love company. and they try and pull you in. And the hardest part of my 26 years, you know what I mean, had to be the end, you know, when the lawyer said, I think we're going to get them on this one. And, you know, that hope factor was strong. And people seeing that around me.

And it made them, you know, in so many words, put in layman's term, like, want to try you, you know what I mean? Just to see how desperately you wanted to go and to make sure you don't go. So it's the same way in the island. they don't want to see you leave the island. So when we were leaving, our parents said, don't tell nobody that you're leaving. You know what I mean?

And we just picked up and left the island. Wow. It's like, okay, like when they're five point, you know what I mean? You call it four point, you know, where they tie your legs and your arms down on a big concrete slab, you know what I mean, and force feed you and all this crazy stuff. And they might leave you there for a day or two. Looking at the ceiling, count the lights, you know,

and you find something to do to occupy your mind. because you're in an all-white room, you know, four walls is white, but they got a light on the ceiling. So you sit there and you stare at the light just to take your mind away. And, you know, some people went crazy from it. But me and myself, I just really just focus on that, you know, there's other people worse off than me. Like when they had the Gulf War going on, stuff like that, you know what I mean?

And I'm, you know, looking up at the ceiling, I'm thinking, you know, really the one that Bush was in, Iraq, when they went through Iraq and all that. And, you know, we saw on TV and heard on the news, you know, how they was bombing and, you know, how many civilians got killed, how many, you know, Moss got blown up and, you know, things like that. Temples, you know, I was thinking that, you know, they worse off than me. So I'm good full-pointed right now. Right. You know what I mean?

I'm a height. I ain't got to worry about a bomb coming and dropping on me, you know. I mean, that's amazing perspective, to be in such an awful situation and be able to think like, okay, what is going to keep me pushing through? Let me imagine someone worse off. Exactly. And almost have gratitude that you're not in a worse situation, even though you're in a terrible situation. No, but you don't know you're in a terrible situation.

If you think you're in a terrible situation, you're in a terrible situation. Your mind creates whatever happiness you want. You know, I was, you know, I was, I ain't going to say happy, but I was comfortable, you know, for my 26 years, you know, because I knew where I was at and I knew where I wanted to go. So I just focused all my goal. Right. which was getting out.

Four-pointing is crazy. I've never heard of that before. You never heard of that? I never, that is an insane thing. I mean, yeah, could you imagine that? I mean, take your feet and tie you now like how you see Jesus on the cross, but they lay you on a flat slab, you know what I mean, and, you know, just leave you there for hours

and you don't know when they're going to untie you. So you're sitting there and I've seen people go crazy just like, you know, like, I can't take it more. I got to get out, I got to get out. And if your thoughts are there, you're going to drive yourself crazy. But when they did it, I just laid down, count from 10 backwards. And, you know what I mean? If my mind was running a little too fast, I just started counting from 100 backwards.

You know, $199, 98, 97, 96. And now it's like a meditation sign. I'm blocked out everything. And why were they doing this to people? You know, I mean, you know, we didn't deserve that, but we was being punished. You understand what I'm saying? No man to deserve to be, you know, four-pointed. Like, no man deserved to be waterboarded.

You know what I mean? But they was waterboarding them. But when they do it to you, you know, you find a way to adjust and adapt to it, you know, whether it's how to breathe with the water being poured on your face with the towel over your head. You know what I mean? Or it's, you know, counting for a hundred, you know, down, you know, look at the ceiling. You know, you come up with a way to exercise your mind. Now I get why they call you brain in.

Yeah, yeah, because I know how to think. I can analyze things. Yeah. You know, I see things abstract. Like, you know, when I'm driving, I'm not just thinking, you know, okay, I'm going to make a left of the next corner, you know. I'm looking in both mirrors on the side, the one in the back, and I'm looking in the front of me and over the mirrors. And you know what I mean? I'm thinking, okay, well, if that person walk off the sidewalk, I got to be careful.

So, you know what I mean? And I'm looking at this car's close behind. So if I got a jam on the brakes, if they come off the sidewalk, you know, so, okay, let me tap the brakes twice in case that happened. And I got all these thoughts going on at once, and the traffic is moving smooth. Right. But you're over-analytical. You just constantly analyze it. You can call it that, but it's like chess. I learned to play chess when I was younger. To be a master of chess, you got to be able to think as many move, you know, above your opponent as possible. You know, if I move my knight over here, you know what I mean?

What is he going to do with his rook over here or what is he going to do with his bishop? Okay, he might bring his pawn over here. So you're thinking all of this before you move and with chess, I probably have speed chess. So you don't sit there for 10 hours playing one game of chess. You got to move. You got to be able to move. Who taught you how to play chess? Believe it not, it was a teacher.

I never forget her in sixth grade in New Jersey named Miss Ruaz. She's probably, she's got to be dead by now because this was, you know, back in the 70s when I was in sixth grade. And she went and got chess boards. She went got 16 chess boards for the 32 students in a class out of her own money.

Wow. And she bought it in. And she was getting ready to retire that year. And she said she, you know, just wanted us to show us what life. is about and that you have many different players in life and you know I took a lot of what miss Ruaz said which she didn't know it but you know our minds is is funny I took a lot of what she said that she was trying to give it to us in a positive point of view and I applied in a negative point

of view and that helped me to get to the top of the food chain when I hit the streets in the drug game because I knew how to you know say okay there's a car over there somebody's in that car that might be a cop it might be a sticker person somebody leading up on the wall that might be a a cop watching him or it might be a sticker person looking out for him. You understand what I'm saying? So you're using chess moves. Yeah, exactly. On the streets.

I do it right now. Like I see him over there on the keyboard and all that. So, you know, every once in a while I cut my eyes to the side, make sure it's not a setup and he ain't got a pistol to my head. You know what I mean? But that's where my mind goes. Did you learn that in Jamaica? Did you learn that once you got to the interview?

I learned it from everything. You know what I mean? Because from in Jamaica, they always tell you watch your surroundings. You know? And that's why I say when we leave in the island, they tell him don't tell no when you leaving right because even even your best friend and yeah you know your super neighbor they don't want you to leave because now you're going to go pick money from trees and they still ain't got to pay the shoes yeah so a lot of people don't want to see the next person get it yeah of course

but i was raised from jamaica for my grandparents because they always you know did good among amongst our poverty line and when my grandmother with baked cakes you know and she had extra batters she'll make you know donuts or you know what i mean or a car cupcakes and she'll give them to the neighbors. You know, she didn't sell them to the neighbors. Right. She was always giving. She was always given. So the object was, when you eat, you make sure everyone else eat. And I took that mentality over here to the States. And when I went up to Harlem, like I said right now, 59, I left Harlem back in 1993.

And there was kids that was five, six, seven years old. And I know their parents because I helped paid their rent and paid for the kids to have birthday parties and get school. clothes and you know and just did it because they asked you know and I had it and I could do it you're always paying for it you're always trying to help out the next person that didn't have but it wasn't even it it wasn't a thought it was just what had to be done you have it they need it you bless them and from me doing that you know now that I'm home after 27 years I go back to Harlem and now I see you know a grown man 35 years old 40 years old that say man I remember when you pay for my birthday party man

I always remember, you, man, I get so many flowers. It bring tears to my eyes that it's amazing that so many people remembered, you know, what I've done for them. And no disrespect to them, 90% of them, I don't even remember what I've done for them because it was done from the heart. It wasn't done to be remembered. There's something so pure about that. You weren't doing it to be remembered by them.

You weren't doing it for the accolades. You were doing it because it was the right thing to do. It was the right thing to do. That's how my grandparents were. Of course. I remember that there's even kids. There was a guy that I was. I linked up with like after high school and I hadn't seen him in years and he was like, bro, what's up man?

I was like, oh, what's up dude? Nice to see you. And he was like, I always remember you because when I was a new kid in seventh grade, I was sitting alone and you came and sat with me. Exactly. And I don't even remember that happening. Let me give you one, right? I'm even going to say his name, you know, because he's, you know, like one of my best friends. I say he's my best friend. It's a white Jewish kid, you know, when I was going to school out there in Jersey where Miss Ruaz taught me that, you know, was a white Jewish kid and he used to get picked on because he had allergies. So he always had boogers in his nose. Then when he breathed, they turned to bubbles and he was real disgusting. You know what I mean? Not to disrespect him. You know what I mean? So I'm not going to say his last name.

I'm going to say first name. Yeah, now you know what he is. No, no, no. I mean, I'm sure he wouldn't mind, but, you know, I'm just that real. You know what I mean? But I don't want nobody think I'm disrespecting anybody. But just to give you an idea, this kid used to get picked on. And, you know, my empathy side kicked in.

And I defended them. You know what I mean? Fort a couple of people for him, kept up off him. And I told him that this is my friend now. If you got a problem with him, you got a problem with me. And like I said, you know, he's alive right now. His name is Mark.

I ain't going to say his last name, but, you know, in case he wanted to come on. I'm sure he would because he don't have any qualms with it. You know, I love him to death. But we, he took me to his house. And it's the first time, you know, I went in a Jewish house, household. You know, and I saw, you know, how the family structure was, his uncle was a doctor, you know what I mean, he wanted to be coming a dentist and, you know, so it was, you know, the American dream that I never even heard about. You understand?

And I'm living here in America. Completely different lifestyle, though. Growing up in Jamaica, you don't know any Jews that live there. So for me, protecting this kid, you know what I mean, and looking out for him, everybody backed up off him, you know, but then at that same time, that same year, I left and started hanging out in Brooklyn and then hit the streets and picked up you know, my training to be who I am today, which I'm not proud of, but I'm just saying. But then here it is, I get locked up and now I come home and I runs into him from Facebook, the kid from fourth grade. And now he's a big doctor down in South Jersey, got a Tesla, you know, got big townhouse,

he's married, got kids, and he was just a goofy kid growing up. But he was my friend, you know what I mean? I didn't see the goofness. I didn't see the boogers. I didn't see all of that because he was a, You know, he didn't deserve to be treated like that. And, you know, he was appreciative, you know, of me holding him down. And what happened when, did you guys reconnect?

Did you see each other again? Yeah, we reconnect. He's my dentist. You know? That's why your teeth look so good. Yeah, you know, he's my dentist. You know, now, great, great man, you know, but grown up, he had issues. Yeah, of course.

And, you know, from people picking on them. But I was the one that I picked on the bullies. Yeah, you hate bullies. Yeah, now, I don't know, I can't stand that. Yeah. You know what I mean? Were you, like, bullied it all in Jamaica? Like, growing up?

Or was it when you got here? We was taught from Jamaica. If somebody do something, you pick up a bachla, a brick, or I stew, and I bust him in the bed. You fight back. We told that's from the door, so we don't have none of that bullying crap in Jamaica. Yeah, because everyone's retaliating.

Everybody's retaliating. That's why we so violent. Somebody get mad, and a kid gets, two best friends get mad, they're going to pick up a weapon to fight each other. You know, they're not going to sit, let me have a fair one and knuckle it out like they did in New York when I got up here. Do you think it's important for kids to learn how to fight at a young age?

Oh, yes, most definitely. Not to kill someone, but just to defend yourself. You didn't say kill. Like I said, I know there's between killing murder. You know what I mean? Like you said, to fight. Sometimes you have to fight for who you are, for your manhood, for your rights, for your womanhood.

You know what I mean? You have to fight in life. You know what I mean? Do you think not enough kids today are taught how to fight or how to defend themselves? It's a lot of them is being pampered. You know what I mean? They're being pampered and they're not taught that there's a real world out there.

So you're going to run across bullies. So if you're told a kid about, about a bully before he run into a bully, you know, then he'll, you know, now to deal with a bully, but you don't tell the kid about a bully, you just tell the kid how to do his math and his reading and study at home and go to school. But you don't say, when you go to school,

you might be somebody that's gonna pick on you because you're wearing those tights and you got boogers in your nose from your allergies. So you better not let him get away with that. You know what I mean? And don't go tell the teacher. If he say something, you know what I mean? You smack the crap out of them.

You know, in no disrespect, I tell my grandkids that. I got a granddaughter that was raised with her grandmother. her temperament is real humble and calm and she has an old soul and her old spirit you know she's only 10 years old you know but me from the street being this my granddaughter you know I love it at death but I see weakness you know what I mean

and like I say I play chess and I play the moves through my head I can see her getting picked on when she gets later so you know when I see I punch in a little chest and tell you tighten up what you're doing you better be ready to fight you know I mean don't go to school that nobody you know what I mean where her parents

they just shower with love. Right. You know, but when she knocked out her first bully, she'll say, my granddad taught me that. You know what I mean? That's cool. But you have to prepare them for life, man. Yeah, of course.

Because there's bad people out there. Yeah, exactly. And they got to defend themselves and avoid them. Right. Don't put yourself in situations where you're around bad people and you can be exposed. But when you do find yourself in that situation, you have to know how to fight your way out of that spot and get back on track. Right.

Don't get caught in that situation. and wind up getting forced in that corner and never know how to get out that spot until, you know, you wind up, you know, God forbid, like you see a lot of the youth doing now, committing suicide. You know what I mean? Because they don't know how to get out of that dark spot

that they found themselves in and their parents haven't talked to them about anything. So they don't know how to, you know, deal where they're at. And that's where they say, man, my world just ended all. Because they can't comprehend. There's no way out. They don't even know where they're at.

they don't even know how they got there because the parents never told them you could wind up in this situation that's why I believe this that's why I say I learned that from psychology I use eye words and me I believe that every child should be taught to defend themselves

and should be taught about bullies before they go out the household don't wait till they go out and they get bullied and say oh yeah well next time no ain't no next time if you go out there and somebody put their hands on you smack the crap out of them you understand and that's it

you understand and I'm going to defend you on that because they had no business putting their hands on you you know that's cool but you're supposed to try and avoid that of course but if you find yourself in that situation don't let them cut your face up or scar you up because you're trying to be nice like your mommy and daddy taught you remember granddad said don't let nobody put their hands on you and i'm gonna deal with your mommy and daddy but the end of the day i don't have to worry about you cover home with no scar putting no sheet around your neck or taking no pills in the house right you know because you can deal with these situations from that first one can be so much

much. Exactly. And they go like an introvert. They become inward. They don't even know how to tell anyone else what they're going to. Right. It's embarrassing to get to get beat up without knowing how to defend yourself at all. It's helpless. And just like a woman being beat, you know, believe that they did something wrong for the man to beat them. The kid would feel that they did something wrong for their classmate to do that. You understand what I'm saying? Right. They psychologically are telling themselves, oh, it's my fault. Yeah, exactly. I deserve that. I deserve. this. And then when bad things keep happening, they keep on telling themselves, well, this is my life. I deserve this. Exactly. But if you gave them the tools and said, no, you're able to push back.

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If you're ever injured, you could check them out. Now, let's get back to the show. Now, even if you get beat in a fight, like let's say you're, kid like when you moved to Jersey someone tries to fight you even if you got beat I won because I fought back even if you fight back even if you might get bruised up and cut yeah you still win because you fought yeah and the story you know I mean I got life in prison you understand but I was still alive so I won because I fought them you know what I mean and I looked at it like the fight was still on while I was doing life plus 20 you know I didn't look at like I lost the fight because I'm still

alive as long as you're alive you can fight another day yeah so I just still fight back in court another day. So how does that transition happen? I know you mentioned it going across the tunnel, but you go from a kid in Jersey, like Jamaican parents, you just moved here, kind of getting bullied,

but you're fighting your way out to then actually getting to the streets and making your first flip. How does that happen? I just walked up, you know, I went to visit my family members in Brooklyn and they was out there flipping and, you know, and it wasn't like they was hiding it

or saying, oh, don't do this, you're not supposed to do this. This is wrong. They said, nah, this is how we eat. This is how we make money. This is how we do this. This is how we do that. So, you know, we start doing it. You understand? And for me coming over there, I see them doing their thing. Like I was telling Johnny, you know, the first night over there, one of the first nights over there on the block, you know, dude came by and was shooting at, you know, shooting up the store we was at. Shooting at us trying to kill us in the store. And I didn't know this was even going to go down. But now I find myself in the middle of bullets being fired at me while I'm just chilling with my family members all the way from Jersey. after my mind was a gun, which is a bullet or a shot at me. You know, so I'm running because everybody else is running and I'm following them

and I'm ducking them. And when they run down the alley, I run down the alley, you know. But, you know, then I was like, y'all, I'm not going to be keep running. Give me one of them guns you got. You know what I mean? I need one to protect myself. And it was like, here, you know what I mean? Because they're not going to tell you no because you might save their life with that gun.

You know, you see a movie where the mother's getting beat and the little kid picks up a knife and stabs the father, you know what I mean, for beating the mother or pick up a gun and shoot the burglar, you know, just because you're small, you can still do something to protect someone else. You still teach them to protect themselves, but that's what they had around them was guns. So that's what I learned. Like we had ratchets, we call it, you know, which is the knife, like the 007, you know what I mean? So we learned how to use that because that's what we had. So whatever is around for your means of survival, you know, you master it, you know. Now, was your family that was over there, were they affiliated with gangs or were they just selling on the block?

It wasn't no gangs. It was parties, political parties, like Democrats and Republicans, no different. Even in Brooklyn? Even in Brooklyn? Yeah. I mean, what you call gangs came from the political parties in Jamaica, was promising each fraction something, you know, housing, you know, if they win. And then we got together in groups and would defend our area to try and get this housing that he's promising us. If that means destroying those over there, then that's what it is. You know? So they weren't affiliated with like, quote unquote, like a gang or anything.

They were just like. No, it became posse. See, we only had one TV channel. We had cowboy movies down there. You know, so, you know, round up the posse. We got to go get the bank robbers. you know, the posse. So that's why they started calling it like the gully posse, the shower posse, you know what I mean?

Gotcha. You know, things like that. Because that's all we had to look at was that one channel. And all we had was all those, you know, different cowboy movies. And was it separated by like a cultural group? Like, did you hang with Jamaicans and that was the people that was that you were set? In Jamaica? No, when you were in Brooklyn.

Oh, yeah. We definitely just hung with each other because we was getting bullied and teased by everything other than us. Of course. Just like Haitians was being teased for me and Haitians. and Panamanians were being teased and, you know, Q wins were being teased and Colombians, you know. So you hang in your, you know, amongst, you know, your cultural, you know, because outside your culture

would tease you because they felt you was different. And they tried to belittle you to make themselves feel higher. So this dude that was shooting at you when you were in the store with just your family, the first time you would ever... We were just shooting at us. But the first time you had seen the gunfire like that. Yeah.

Who was that group and why were they shooting at you? No, that was one man. That was Del Wauzi. You know what I mean? The boogeyman, you know. The boogeyman. The boogeyman. That's what I called him. The boogeyman. When he came around, you knew the duck. You know what I mean? But, you know, he used to go around taking herb gates, taking coke spots, taking what he wanted. He was the boogeyman. If you had it, he would take it. He was a real boogeyman. So he was just a wolf. He was just going around. Straight. Everybody knows him. He's in ADX now. He was the first Jamaican to be sentenced under the CC.

you know in the United States that they used for for a Jamaican posse you know he wound up getting like 600 years or something like that in the feds you know wow and then the crazy part is I ran into him in ADX you know and you know that's why I you know me and him talk in detail and I learned a lot about him in his mindset where he was at and you know he was just used just like the rest of us you know I mean because you know he was used in Jamaica to help get C.A. in office. So he was a political porn, you know, and, you know, that's why I say free Delroy Ousey. You know what I mean? We did what was, you know, what was, you know, what was there for us to survive. So even though he was shooting at you, even when you

met up with him, you still forgive him. It's nothing to forgive. Man, it's business, my dick. It's business. You know what I mean? It's survival. You know what I mean? We had what he wanted. He was coming to take it as he should because I wouldn't take it. I wouldn't take it. from other people that I felt was weak that wasn't supposed to have it. So because somebody coming to take something from me because they feel I'm weaker for whatever reason.

I'm not mad at them. I just got to defend that because like I said, before, you got to learn to fight. If you don't fight you, you know, you might not be able to take flight. You might get buried the way you stand. Wow. You know, but yeah, now, you know,

we laughed about it. We talked about it and, you know, it is what it is, man. I mean, like I said, you know, in the neighborhood, like, like, we got wolves. We got drug dealers. We got card scammers.

We got boosters. You got every got plumbers. You got electricians. You got a little bit of everything, but you just got to know how to coincide and mingle. You understand? And not rob nobody the wrong way and not give off any weakness to make anyone want to make you pray at the same time.

Because we can smell pussy. You know what I'm saying? So you know what a nigga a pussy. You can smell them. You sense it. Yeah. It don't matter how much a dude trying to act tough. And it's funny.

said that I was just talking to somebody from D.C. called for my YouTube channel. Name is Jojo from 14th Street. You know what I mean? A kid named Jojo. I think he said he was 27 years old. And I did 27 years. So he wasn't even born when I was out type thing, right? But I'm talking to this kid and he's asking me the same question.

He's like, oh, why nobody don't like D.C. Or why everybody beef with B.C.? I said, nah, it's not that they beef with D.C. They try and go amongst men from D.C. and DC's from another cloth like New York and Chicago and major cities where, you know, but DC is just, it's just on some straight man time on morals and principles. And they respect, you know, a plumber, a butcher, you know, they respect everybody. But don't come amongst them and say you're cut from the same cloth as them because they can

smell that you're not. You understand what I'm saying? And those are the ones that have the problems with DC dudes. And then they'll reject you. Nah, I mean, they crush you. You understand what I'm saying? Because you had no business around them because something would happen

and they're not going to respond to it on what we call man time. You understand what I'm saying? They're going to respond to it from the sucker time that they really are. You understand? So play by your rules and regulations in your sandbox and leave us over here in the mud.

Know your lane. No, your lane. Perfect way to put it. You know what I mean? And that's what it is. And that's why I love D.C. because they men. You just be yourself and they can accept you. You know what I mean?

For whoever you are, you don't have to be aggressive. You don't have to be this. Just like me, like I said, I didn't run around with no wolves, you know, to protect me on the street. You know, I handled my own business. But I stayed in my lane. If somebody violated me or crossed over into my lane, then I handled my business. And I didn't need to run and go get 10 home boys. I didn't need to run and tell nobody that dissoned my lane.

one did that and that one did this, I just handled my business and then went back, you know, with life. And if they survive, they survive and if they're a man and they survived, then they respect that. I handled my business. All my friends, all my friends I had a fight with. I got a kid named Jeff, right, from out of Jersey that I grew up with. That was last year I was in school, 10th grade, right? Like my first day or so I was up there and we gambling, playing dice outside to school and I lost about $400. You know what I mean? And, you know, back then that was a lot of money.

But I had a couple of grand because I, you know, but I lost like $400. Then I had like just some change in my pockets. You know, all I had was some 20s in my pocket. And it was a dollar game. So I told dude, yo, you know, all I got's 95 cent. He said, so somebody else that was with us. He said, well, if you lose, I give you the dollar.

So I said, I bet. So he rolls the dice and he rolled the ace. And at the same time, they started yelling that the vice principal is coming. A dude named Elmo. We helped in Jersey, T-Nat. Big shout out to Elmo. That was the vice principal, black dude. So he coming and everybody getting ready to run.

And he's paying the people, you know, that loss. And when it came to me, he talked about I didn't have a bet. He said, nah, nigga, I had a bet. He said, he going to pay you if I lose. And he said, nah, your money wasn't on the ground. I'm not going to go argue with him. I just went right in his mouth. You understand what I'm saying?

And punched him in his mouth for ass betting me. You know what I mean? It got my money in blood, you know? But up to this day, he's, you know, a very good friend of mine. You understand what I'm saying? Because he just understands that's what it is. Yeah, because, you know, like I said, you know, everybody that became best friends when I had to fight with. Some I won, some I lost.

You know what I mean? But bottom line is I knew that they cut for my cloth because we fought. You know what I mean? There's nothing personal in it. Nah, it's nothing personal. Survival. He knew he asked better, so he didn't need to be punched in the mouth. You know what I mean?

If I asked better, I expect to be punched. punched in the mouth. Like if I owe somebody, okay, if somebody owe me money and, you know, and I go stab them, you understand what I'm saying? Now, if I owe somebody money, I don't pay them. I expect to be stabbed. I'm not immune from the rules. Right. You know, like, if- And that threat of violence keeps people from stepping out of line. Exactly. Keep you in your lane. Right. You know. But then you got people, like you said, like you're from the suburbs. You got people from the suburbs that come across people like me, you know, and they're playing by suburban rules, you know, in my jungle, you know what I mean? And that's where the problem is. And that's

why they say that nobody gets along with D.C. No, everyone try and get along with D.C. You don't need to try and get along with D.C. You just need to be yourself with D.C. And they're going to accept you for who you are, whether you're a suburban kid or whatever. Because they're not bullies, none of us was raised as, you know, as that, you know. But we're going to be. But We raised some was raised as wolves because they're going to go take it. You understand what I'm saying? But it don't matter where you're from is where you're at as far as if you're going to defend yours. If you're not going to defend it, you don't deserve it.

You know? So how old were you got your first gun? That was when you were at the community store. By 11 years old. Yeah. About 11. And how did that make you feel? Did you feel powerful?

Oh, hell yeah. You know what I mean? It felt real powerful. I mean, the hardest part, you know what I mean? And the best part was the first time you shot somebody, the first time. he shot the gun you know i mean it gave you a rush it gave you a whole other feeling because you see that this is outside of the norm of what you could even phantom the reaction or the emotional feeling is going to be a like you know and you know it is what it is that's why they have uh if you shoot let's say

let's say uh yeah i don't want say no name but i know somebody that got robbed right and uh after the dude ran off he pulled a gun out of his dreadlocks out of his cap you know and shot the dude in his back like five times, emptied the clip on him. He went to court and pleaded self-defense because he said the dude robbed him, the dude had a gun, you know what I mean? And he was running away.

But still, you could turn around and fired a gun. So he fired and he shot him. But the judge said he couldn't plead self-defense because he fired five times. They said self-defense, you follow one time once you see that bullet going to be supposed to snap back to humanity and say that, oh my God, look what I've done.

Now, bang, bang, bang, bang. because now that's premeditated. You're trying to put him down. You understand? What do you think? Is that a fair judgment? Yes, very fair. One shot.

If you shoot somebody, the object is to diffuse the threat. You know what I mean? It's not to, you know, lay him down. Right. You know, if you're trying to lay him down, you're trying to kill him. You know what I mean? Really, you're trying to murder him. Right.

To use the proper terminology. Right, exactly. You know what I mean? And you just want to defend yourself. You just want to defuse the threat. Yeah, exactly. I forgot who was saying this is something that I think about sometimes where like my generation, like for me, I didn't really learn how to fight growing up. Like there's no real reason to. I went to like a private school. I was in a suburb. So I never came across people that were really trying to fight and I could use my words to kind of get out of it. But I look back on that. I'm like there's, I forget who phrased it this way, but there's a nobility in knowing how to fight and how to defend yourself and not doing it.

Because if you withhold yourself when you know how to hurt someone, that's noble. But it's it. If you don't know how to hurt anyone and you're holding back, you're not holding anything back. So it's just weakness. Yeah, exactly. But, you know, if you're fighting somebody and if you learn to fight, like I teach my granddaughter to fight, she learns to fight, you know what I'm saying? But I let her know, don't go out there and start with anyone. Right.

Don't go out there and pick on anyone. Protect people from bullies, diffuse situations. Yeah, you know what I mean? Granddad is showing you how to protect yourself. If someone comes to you want to fight, you have to know how to fight. Right. But I don't want them to come to you to fight And you don't know how to fight

You know what I mean? Because now you automatically lost Right And I don't raise no losers You know what I mean? Yeah, you can't just have someone be a target No, not mine's. Yeah

You know what I mean? Yeah. Not mine. I'd rather my grandkid come home Beat up with bloody nose and everything And say that he fought back Then come running in and say Oh, I didn't get a bloody nose

But I ran home. Nah, get your ass back out there Come back with that bloody nose Yeah, you know what I mean? I know you was fighting. Sometimes I feel like the school infrastructure will stop it though. Like now at school is like if two kids are fighting,

both kids get suspended. Even if one kid was defending himself and the other kids started. Yeah, I mean, just like in the prison, you know what I mean? Like one of my homeboys, a dude ran up on him and stabbed him. You understand?

And when he stabbed him, he grabbed him, wrested him, got the knife from him and stabbed him back. You know what I mean? Or, you know, one of the home boys is fighting. You know, somebody walk up to him and, you know, he punches him in the face and attacks him.

And then he fights a dude back and they wind up fighting. then the administration would turn around and charge them both for fighting. Right. Which they was fighting. But he was defending himself. Right.

You understand what I'm saying? What you want me do when a dude punch him in the face? What did you want him to really do? Turn around and run to the police? Yeah, just hide like... You know? Yeah. And then now he's prey.

Right, yeah, because you show that you're weak. Exactly. Someone touched you and you didn't do anything about it. You're going to get touched yourself. You ain't going to defend me. Yeah. Yeah, that's tough. But let me tell you a good, funny one's something for your show.

Please. You got these dudes out here running around with flip flops on. You know what I mean? And I'm sure you're one of them. You know what I mean? I've been known to wear flip-flops on occasion. Burkinstocks. Birkenstocks.

I mean, you said you're from the suburbs. I already know. But we're over here in the city. You understand? I don't respect y'all wearing it out there either. Come on, bro. In Florida, in Florida, you're a Jamaican dude, bro. But you got to understand someone where flip-flop.

But anything could happen while you're out in public. So you have to be prepared. Like I said, I'm thinking chess moves. You know what I mean? I mean, you don't have to do anything. You can say, oh, oh, nothing is going to happen. What if somebody is, loses control of a car and runs up on a sidewalk and you got to run to get out the way and you got on flip-flops something simple as that right you understand what if somebody's shooting you know what I mean you know you have these random shootings people going to school shooting kids you know what I mean and now you got to run and you got on flip-flops somebody's trying to rob you're trying to get away now or trying to fight you and you got on flip-flops anything could happen yeah so you have to always be prepared to defend yourself so what do you were to the beach

No, I mean, the beach is different. All right. No, no, no, but this is, but, yo, no, I'm giving you an hour. Because when I go to the beach, I wear the little joints you put on that look like little shoes that stretch on my feet, like the surfing shoes. I'm not going to wear flip-flops on the beach. Okay. I'm not going to wear it. Right.

You understand what I'm saying? Right. But if I see somebody wearing on the beach, that's different because everyone is an equal now and there's no cars over there and things like that. Gotcha. But when you're walking down the street, dudes walking out 8th Avenue in Harlem, man. Dude's walking out 125th Street in Harlem. And I even see dudes in the wintertime, you know, with big bubble, triple goose coat and flip flops in a pair of socks. Come on, dog.

Where do you do that at? What is the purpose of the flip flops is 20 degrees outside? Yeah, fashion, I guess. You're just following a trend and you're being hoodwink where you're thinking nothing is going to happen or can happen. but anything can happen. Yeah. You know? Look at how a dude get 25 years.

He's a psychopath. He serves his time and then they let him go. And then now he's a monk society and he decided to act out his psycho, you know, mentality and attack you or someone. So don't say like it can't happen because the police don't have it that safe. Because you don't know what's in a man's mind. That's true. You know, so you got to always be prepared.

So I say no flip-flops. No flip-flops at all. You know what I mean? Even at the beach, you got to wear the booties. You got to wear his shoes somehow. Listen, we wear our boots in the shower in prison. Yeah. You know, I'm talking about, the most we'll do is, like, cut the toes out.

You know what I mean? So your feet can breathe and get some water out. Yeah, but we wear our boots in the prison. Because you never know when something is going to jump off. You know what I mean? Right now, you know, I'd rather go on my shower barefoot than with flip-flops. You understand what I'm saying? I started with no shoes.

Right. You know what I'm saying to fret my soul. I know how to grip my toes in the hand of myself. Wow. You know? Can you tell me the John Gotti story? Oh, man. It's back in Marionian John Gotti's day.

We had homies. They putting in a ticket. So while they put in a ticket, everybody yelling through the balls because everybody's locked in the cells. So you got to yell through the bars when you talk. And you know, when someone's talking, you respect the person on the microphone is what we call it. You know, who was talking. So dude was putting a ticket, John Gotti's ticket, you know, team getting ready to play for his first ticket. So he's trying to hurry up and get his bed in.

before the game start. And of course, somebody else was already given their bet. So John Gotti said, man, you hear me talking. Dude said, nah, I'm talking.

You know, so John Gotti is like, man, I don't care who talking. You know what I mean? You know, like, basically like, I'm John Gotti.

So the Muslim dude told, you know, John Gotti, yo, just wait your turn. You hear them talking, you know, like speaking up. And John Gotti's like, I don't care what you say,

monkey. You know what I mean? I'm putting my bet in. So the dude said, oh yeah. So when the door's open, you know, of course now it's going to be on.

So the door's open. And, you know, John Goddy got the A.Bs around him when he come out. And, you know, like I said, D.C. go hard. They wasn't trying to see none of that. So, you know, when they had John God in the middle, so first chance dude got, you know what I mean? He gotten John Gotti ass. They got the fighting. And, you know, dude whooped him, but John Gotti fought back as a man.

When the joint was over, you know, John Gotti shook his hand and said, man, you got there. But I'm letting, you know, now we're going to have to fight every day. You know what I mean? Like, you ain't getting out on me like that. And everybody respected John Gotti behind that, even though he called Dude a monkey and all that. That was some racist shit. But, I mean, it is what it is. Dude, you know, stood up to him and he whooped him.

And then, you know, long story, you know, long story, short. And he'll be all day. Bottom line is, you know, he wind up putting a hit out on a black dude that that whooped them and, you know, with the A-Bs. And, you know, if you want to see the rest of it, go tune in a unique make audio thing. I can't give it to you everything right here. All right. So when did you make your first flip? Like, when were you making actual money?

And you were like, oh, this could be a career. The same night, they had that first shootout. You know what I mean? I told you my cousins was already selling drugs. And when they came to rob them, when, you know, Uzi came by, put his work in, after everything, calmed down, I'm, you know, I'm like, y'all, you know, I don't want to just be a lookout. I want to make money, too.

You know what I mean? And it was, like, give me a thousand dollars for the night to play lookout. But, you know, they're making, you know, tens of thousands. I'm like, I want to get the money you making. You know, so they said, I hear, you sell this in. You know, you keep, you know, $40 and give me $60. You know, that's a $60, $60 split. You know what I mean?

And, you know, got my little alto's can with the, you know, that we used to keep it in an altoid's can because, you know, it was firm. So, and they kept it fresh. Kept with that with the glassine bags or the little, you know, aluminum foil. And they might give you $110 papers. And they tell you, you keep 40. You know what I mean? And give me back the money.

for 60, you know, and 60-40 split. So that's how it all started from about 11 and, you know, from there and watching the elders that was giving me, you know, the packs to sell and seeing how they bag it up because, you know, I'm with them. You know, they're doing it because it's their business, but I'm there.

I'm watching them cutting it up. I'm watching them back in it up. And I'm watching the whole orchestration watching them, put the money together, putting the rubber band, putting the bag, go cop, go with the cop. And I'm seeing all of this, but I'm not doing none of this. But I get hands on training. Like I just said, like I just said, like I want to learn editing. So just for me sitting there watching the editor, you understand what I'm saying?

I'm going to learn. Right. You're a sponge. You absorb everything. Exactly. So I see a man sitting there sitting there and watching him. You know what I mean? And I'm with him every day and watching him cut heron, pick up heron, bag up heron and take the money from the heroin and go re-up. You know what I mean? Now, I learn how to do it the same way. I learn how to cut and pace. You know what I mean? For watching. Right. And that was the main drug that everyone was pushing then at that time. Back then, it was Heron. Yeah. Because, you know, this was before the crack era, you know, where Heron was more prevalent

than powder. You know, powder got prevalent when they started speedballing, you know, when they mixed the Heron to Coke, so when the dude shoot it up, he gnawed out, and then the coat kick in and he jumped back up. And that's where that went. And then the other people that were sniffing it, you know, and then it went to smoking it, which was freebase in it. Yeah.

You know? And then from there, then the government made it accessible to everybody, and it became crack cocaine, you know? And that's why Carol West One made that song that the pussy is free because crack costs money. Right. Meaning a girl do anything for a crack rock. You understand what I'm saying?

She only want money. She just want to rock. You know, and you had dudes that had killed for a crack rock. You know what I mean? And it's also important to note New York City at this time was not New York City now. Oh, hell no. Oh, hell no. Can you paint a picture of what New York City at that time was like?

It's kind of hard for a lot of people to fathom. Okay. Like even right now, even though weed is legal? You won't really see people walking down 40 seconds to be smoking the joint. You understand what I'm saying? Well, you know it's legal. I've seen them selling in front of the police and everything. But back then, you'll see a dude walking down the street and he's smoking the joint and he's drinking a beer that's not in a brown bag.

And you understand what I'm saying? He got his gun on him. And you understand what I'm saying? A dude, you know, nodded now and he got his knife on him. You see him with his knife. You see, dudes pull a knife out on somebody and, you know, they're arguing or whatever. And the police drive by and see it and keep going. You know, it was no law.

You know what I mean? New York was lawless back then. And literally like... Listen, when I came to Harlem, you had abandoned buildings that was burnt out. No families living in them because it was completely burnt out. And a lot of them were just abandoned, you know, where people... Okay, like when I got my building, I went to the neighboring buildings

and salvage what I could to make a building. You know what I mean? So I went got a window from over here on 53rd Street. I went got a door from 54th Street. You know what I mean? And, you know, went and got the wiring that was left behind in one apartment and got your crack head to put everything together, you know? Because these are dudes that's professional plumbers, electricians, mechanics, or whatever. But you paid them in crack.

Wow. You understand what I'm saying? And they're good at what they're doing. No, they're the best of what they're doing. You know what I mean? Because these are dudes that when they get high, they go into a zone and focus on what they're doing. And they know if they don't do it right, they're not going to get paid. So they're making beautiful stuff.

Oh, the best. Wow. The best. I got a whole, you know, two apartments built in one building for like maybe $200 in crack. You know what I mean? And I'm talking about the wiring ran where they got the electricity from the outside streetlight. You know what I mean? And got the plumbing from the building next door and went and actually got pipes to hook up to run the water from the building that still had water to come into your building and take the cable from this.

you know, a light poles and running straight down to your window, wrap it around the wire where it comes down the pole and it looks nice and neat. And you just plug your extension card in your building from the light outside and now you're not paying no electricity, but you're making thousands of dollars in this apartment. Wow. You know, because the Jews people that owned it, they abandoned it.

Because they were scared to come up there. And then it's a funny thing. It's back then, like now, if you want an apartment in New York, you got to go to a realtor. You understand? Back then, you went to the super. Oh, really? You just walked in. You just went right to the superintendent of the building, the person that maintains the building.

He says, hey, I'm looking for an apartment. You don't go to a realtor. Interesting. And he goes, yeah, I got one on the top floor. Yeah. And you wind up paying the super rent, not the landlord. You know, that's because the landlord don't live there. Right. And the super would tell them apartment 4B, 6B and 7A, you know what I mean? It don't work. It's going to cost $10,000 to fix the apartment. plumbing and the light because there's no heat coming up and then they're not going to put money

in the building and say, all right, we'll just close it up, you know, but the whole time they was lying or they got a crackhead to fix it. Right. And then in the meantime, the apartment's beautiful. Yeah. And then you come and you just move a neighborhood from the suburbs or from wherever and say, hey, I'm looking for apartment. You're going to talk to the super. He'll tell you, I got one right here and you pay him rent. And then not the landlord. Right. The landlord think it's abandoned. Right. And don't want to put the money into fixing it. But he's not even going to come to look to expect it. Wow. Because he's scared the death to come in our neighborhood. Wow. And so that, so you were living pretty good when you were in Harlem. Oh, I'm living excellent. Yeah. You know what I mean.

I mean, that's what I'm saying. You take what you want. That's how it was back then. You know, if you got a store and let's say you got a storefront and it's making money, I'm going to come take that. You understand what I'm saying? Right. You know, put your ass right out on the sidewalk or leave you where you lay in that joint, put you in the alley and then start selling drugs. And, When I said the first shootout we had, you know, Uzi was coming to take our spot, you know, but we fought back. You know what I mean? But they say he would have shot, you know, a couple of people and was able to get in the building, you know what I mean? He would have secured the door, locked the doors, and now we got to fight to come back in our own building.

It's literally like war. It was war. Yeah. You know what I mean? He takes the spot and it's his now and he locks it up and secures it. Until somebody else comes for him or you come back for him. Wow. And that's why a lot of times, like in the South Bronx, that's why they got so many burnt

out buildings. Because they were fighting over when people was getting ready to lose the building, they're rather torture it before they lose it. And it's not even their building. You know what I mean? So that's why a majority of, you know, New York back then was burnt out from, especially in the Bronx from a lot of the turf walls. Wow.

You know, it wasn't from a fire. That's how it was working. Dang. And so you went from a lookout and then you kind of moved up to like runner. You were just kind of like running. To a pitcher. To a pitcher. To a pitcher.

A picture is one that sells it. They're pitching the drugs. He sells the drugs. Okay. You know, a runner is what you all use nowadays in terminology. We talk about back in the 70s. Okay. You know what I mean?

So you had pitchers, you know. What they call them are pushers. You know what I mean? Be like the pusher man. Yeah. You know what I mean? You're the one selling the drugs, you know? But I mean, I wasn't selling no big drugs.

You know, I might get, you know, 10 bundles, 20 bundles, and it's 10 bags in a bundle. And offer, you know, every bundle, which is 10 bags, I get. get four bags, you know what I mean? So if I get, you know, 10 bundles, you know what I mean? I got 40 bags. You know what I mean? So at the early stages, how much were you making like in a day? About six, seven grand, eight grand, you know, a day.

Yeah. At like 15 years old. About 12, 13. Bro. You know? That is wild. And so what are you doing for a kid with no shoes in Jamaica for the first half of your life? And all of a sudden now, eight years later, or five, four years later,

you're making a legit salary, doctor's salary, a day. Yeah, I mean, but I didn't look at it like a salary. I mean, the first thing I did was I went and bought me some more shoes. You know what I mean? So shoes became the thing. I went and bought me some Clarks, some valleys and, you know what I mean? Some Adidas and my pumas and, you know, my ponies and, you know what I mean? And, you know, my slacks and, you know what I mean?

And my niche, Gansy and now, you know, I could afford to look good, to feel good. What was that first thing you bought? Do you remember that feeling where you were like, oh my God, I got these. I always wanted this thing. Oh, the first thing I bought, I said was a big radio, you know, those L.L. Kudjuri boom boxes because everybody wanted them back then, you know what I mean? So, you know, because we had the little, like the school tape recorder as if we had one, because they didn't even have the little Walkmans yet at this time, you know what I mean?

But they had these big ass boom boxes that, you know, JVC had one that had two mics on the top, you know what I mean, where you could actually mix me. with it. Like you could play a song and rap like karaoke. You know what I mean? With the boombox and that was the best one back there was like 475, 500, you know, 42nd Street is where we used to get them from because that's where that all the electrical appliance stores. But that was the first thing I bought when I felt like I made it. And my brother, my older brother took it to Jamaica and traded that same for $475 radio for a piece of land. Wow. Because the same way I treasure it in here in America, somebody in Jamaica, to get that, it's like, oh, man, you know, I give you a acre, give me that.

You know what I mean? That's crazy. You know? That's wild. So that was the first thing. And you were walking around with it, bump of music? Yeah, yeah. I mean, my man carried it because it was too heavy for me.

I was a kid. No I'm saying. Because this shit was like the size is, man, mic standing. Right. Two big speakers on it, two cassette decks, microphones coming off it. And it used like eight or ten, what's that? batteries right you know the big ones you got to slide in the back exactly and the batteries alone is heavy right you know i mean so you know i used just post up you know where we was hustling at we just

played the music the same where you blew through tooth of speaker now right you know so you're out there you're playing your little jamaicamaic and you're hustling and you know you're chilling you know right you're spliff and then but how does that not make you a target because at this time you're still young that's what i'm saying you're always going to be a target but you're so young and you're much smaller obviously like what are you using other than having that gun with you how do you protect yourself from just getting getting stuck up just like you said i got my gun with me if a nigga look at my shit funny i fired first i was taught to fire first and don't ask questions later i don't care who i hit what i hate uh none of that because i know i

hit my target right but whether he lived and die i don't care because he was not trying to kill me right and so how are you getting the the product at that point you know at the time we was copying from the Panamanians, you know, up on Eastern Parkway. Okay. You know what I mean? You know, went to the Panamanians. They had, they had the Coke, the Coke and the Heron back then. Oh, we was going over to the Lower East Side. If we went to Lower East Side, we got better quality. You know. Was it more expensive? No, it wasn't more expensive. It's just that, you know, it was more of a dope area. You got to remember Brooklyn, it was stickups. You know what I mean? It wasn't a hustle town.

You know what I mean? The dope fees left Brooklyn really to go to Manhattan. whether the blacks went up to 116th Street, and like the Puerto Ricans from Bushwick, they went over to Lower East Side Alphabet City, which was right over the bridge, right where we at. You know what I mean? By the Lansing Street, you know,

this was the big dope area, like those projects they got over there and when you go to Avenue A, D, you know what that? Oh, yeah, of course. Oh, man, I had a couple of shootouts just going to see females in there trying to get out the building because them dope fees don't play, you know?

And then I'm wearing change like this walking through the neighborhood, you know what I mean? They see it. They want it. You understand what I'm saying? So if they look at it, you bust them. Right.

You know what I mean? You know, ain't nothing to argue about it. Just like I said, when, you know, dude ass bet me, you know, when I was in high school and I went in his mouth. And he wanted to tell me I didn't have a bet. We're not going to talk about if we had a bet. I'm going to show you why they had a bet. Right. You know what I mean?

So. So these guys were just, they see you walk up. And immediately they're like, all right. You're on our turf. You have something I want. I'm going to get it. Yeah. They're going to take it.

But, I mean, like I said, it was a dog game. Who's going to protect you but you? You know what I mean? So if you don't want no problems, don't get a big chain. You understand what I'm saying? You don't want to go to jail. Don't break the law. But you were cool with the problems, though.

You like the big chain. Yeah, I mean, it's a part of the hustle, man. I lost my brother. My brother got shot twice in the head. You know what I mean? And, you know, I haven't even really even mourned him because, you know, he was a casualty of war. You know what I mean?

That's something that could have happened to me. It happened to a bunch of my homies. That's just what happened. You know what I mean? So it's like, you know, you don't cry over it. I mean, you just keep moving. You keep pushing because you're still here. And now you've got to show that it wasn't in vain by becoming something of yourself.

And that's why I push forward. So my brother's death won't be in vain. But I'm not going to see it. Oh, my God, I lost my brother. No, I ain't got time to do that type of morning. Because when you're doing that, then you can't go get the bag. You can't protect your other family members if you're crying about this family member. So now you start making all this money.

But you still live in Jersey. You're going back to see your family. Yeah, my family's still living in Jersey. But me and my pops didn't get along, so I really stayed over here in New York. Like I lived in Irbgate to the apartments that were selling weed was my house. Got you. You understand what I'm saying? Or my cousins, you know, dope spot in Brooklyn.

You know what I mean? You know, I go over there when I want to see my brother and see my, you know, my sister. And, you know, you just stick and move. And what do they think when you're 13, 14 years old making $5 grand a day, you got the boomback? Do they know what's up? Are you throwing money to them? Like, how does that work? I'm giving them money, but I mean, it's not like, it's, you know, I'm hustling.

That's all they call it. It's natural. It's nothing, you know, superficial. You know what I mean? It's nothing spectacular, you know? Like I was talking to Johnny, I was telling him, yeah, I got shot up on that roof right there, and that's where I jumped off. And, you know what I mean?

You know what? Get me, give me detail. Like, what did you get? I got shot on the roof and jumped off. You know what I mean? To me, it was just that simple. You know what I survived. You know, but he's like fascinated, like, you know, details.

I mean, what more details you want than that? Shit went wrong and I had to get out and get out of there. You know what I mean? I couldn't take the stairs and couldn't get to the elevator. So, you know, I jumped in a dump waiter and got my ass out of there. You know what I mean? A dumb waiter six stories up. So I jumped off a six-story building in a dump waiter.

That's why I say I jumped off the roof. But in the book, you know what I mean? I embellished it to not really put the people that shot me even in danger because I don't even want the niggies that shot me to go to jail. You know what I mean? That's the game. You know, because that's what it is. Wow.

And so what happened in that deal, though? I mean, you know, shit went sour. They came running up on the roof, busing their gun, and I had to get up off of there, you know. You were selling or buying? No, I was supposed to be coping, but I was fake robbing. You know what I mean? I was robbing them.

You know what I mean? And the robbery went sour. You know what I mean? They had it. I wanted it. What do you mean fake robin? No, I'll say fake robin because it didn't work. You know what I mean?

It was a real robbery. Right. You know what I said, I was faking because I got. I shot up for a time that he jumped off the bridge off the building. Right. So I was faking. I called it a fake robbery because, you know, I caught the bad end of the hot ones. But they, but they knew that you were trying to stick them up.

How did they know? Yeah, they knew. I went and said, give me your shit. Okay. You understand what I'm saying? Stick up. You know what I mean? Yeah.

And, you know. That's wild confidence. Were you alone? Now I was with somebody, you know. Yeah. Yeah. They didn't make it, but, you know, it is what it is. You know, like I said, you know, you win some, you lose something.

You know, that's the life on the street. That's why I tell the kids don't go on the street. It's not worth it. You know what I mean? At all, it ain't worth it. You know what I mean? I don't have 30 cars at one time. I owned a big ass club with selling 25 keys a day.

I had all the jewelry, all the women. A house in Miami with swimming pooled jacuzzi. You bought my mother house, big $750, BMW, big store. I did everything you could dream of before I was 30 years old, you know? And then I had to sit in jail for the same amount of time for 27 years. Yeah, that come up is crazy. So you start making $5, $6,000 a day. You're going back.

home giving money to your family like helping them out yeah but that that that money is you got it you spent it we because like i said i'm a kid nobody said oh save this put this up for later invest in this you wasn't taught that because the money it's like the money was never going to end because the city was never going to end right being and the police was never going to try and stop what you're doing right so you feel like you could just sell drugs forever you didn't know 2023 was going to come right put it this problem put it better you didn't know juliani was going to come you know Right. No, because that's who...

Fucked the whole thing up. For us, but he tightened up the city. Right. And it's a shame how he went out now. But, you know, Giuliani, when he came in, the first thing he did, I was in ADX when he came in in Supermax, me and Del Roosie. You know what I mean? And me and him used to laugh at that because he used to get the New York Post

and they were putting it in there how, you know, Giuliani, when the first thing he did was put 100,000 police on the streets in New York because it wasn't enough police. Right. You know what I mean? So the first thing put 100,000 police. So now you got police on every street. on every street corner.

Of course. So now they on foot could see before they used to drive through. You drive through Harlem, you're not going to see nothing other than the building. You're not going to see what's happening on the ground floor.

And that's what the police did. They drove through, they didn't see nothing with the buildings. Right. They didn't see what the ground floor and didn't care about it. All they wanted to make sure is that, you know,

the tourists was safe when they drove down the street. But if you shoot each other on foot, cool. But if you go shooting across the screen, you hit one of these tourists, now your whole neighborhood is a target.

Yeah. And it blows the whole, the whole block of. Yeah. I'm curious, tell me what happened. This happened to me one time. I was about to do a comedy show. I was like near Harlem and I'm standing in front of a building like on the phone. And I'm just dressed, however, and this Puerto Rican dude walks out and he's holding

like a pit bull and he walks up to me and he goes, hey man, you can't stand on this block. Yeah. He's hustling. He let you know. And I was like, what do you mean? He goes, you can't stand here, bro. You got to go you got to go somewhere else. Yeah. So what is happening in that situation? What's happening in that situation is they're selling drugs. You understand? You're a white guy.

Yeah. So now you stand out the police drive guy, they see a white guy standing in front of the building, they know there's drugs in the building, and then, which they already knew, but they know that now you're selling to white people. When you're sending it to your own, it's cool. But now you got white guys hanging out in front of the building. You understand what I'm saying? But if you were black, you know what I mean? They might have still told you to move, but you would have understood why and wouldn't have stopped there in the first place. Right. You understand? But you didn't know, I was oblivious. I had no idea. You know, but you know what I'm saying? But like back in my days, if you

did that. I'll tell you one time, yo, move you can't stand there. And if you open your mouth to say anything, I'm going to whip you down right there. Because there's nothing to talk about. Because in my mentality, this is my block. There's my building and you're stopping my money. Yeah, you're fucking the money up. Like the other day, I was in front of Legends Lounge. Big shout out to my man Toll from Legends Lounge. I'm in front of Legends Lounge and I'm coming out and it's a big, thick, older white dude walking by. He's about my age. I say old. me and he wasn't a young dude. He's about my age, but he come walking by,

and he's in really good shape. But it's white, you know, and we're in Harlem. And we're walking to each other, and he don't want to move out the way. You know what I mean? Like, he's walking like I was supposed to move out the way. You understand? But his mentality is he lives here now.

You understand? And this is his neighborhood, too. And my mentality is not. This is my neighborhood. When I walk down the street, you move out of the way like Moses' partner. the Red Sea. You know what I mean? So when he got close up to me, you know, I pushed him out the way because we're going to bump into each other. And he saw me and he knew what he was doing.

You understand what I'm saying? So right there, okay, now you want to fight. So let's get it on. And he said, yo, you see me. You're trying to bump into me. You know what I mean? And he went to say something and my man grabbed me and I just turned around and I walked away. He's like, yo, you was different now. You understand what I'm saying? Meaning you're walking into me so you're telling me you want a problem. Then I give you a problem. And now it's a problem. Right. Stay in your lane.

You understand what I'm saying? Yeah. You might walk down the street every day and walk the same way. You know what I mean? But when you run across the wrong person, you know, to move out the way. You back in the day, though. You know? Oh, man, I would just smack the crap out of them right there and stomped him out.

Yeah. You know what I mean? But, you know, I say all that to say that, you know, because like I say, if I'm walking in the suburbs, right? If I'm walking the suburbs and a white guy's coming down the street and I'm walking up down the street, you understand what I'm saying? I'm going to step aside because this is it. This is, you know, it's common courtesy and this is his neighborhood. You understand? But this dude deliberately walked up like I'm not moving, like playing chicken.

So that's the only reason why I pushed him. I won't just go around pushing anyone. Yeah, of course. But he wanted a problem. You know, and that's why I tell people, they say, oh, New York is safe. You got aggressive people like me that's out here. I just have common sense. Right.

You understand what I'm saying? But there's a lot of people that don't. And you don't want to run across those. And I don't want to run across those. Because, you know, I bleed too. Yeah. And at this point, you're like, I don't want to keep on getting into scuffles. Yeah, yeah.

It's not even a scuffle. You know what I mean? You know, a murder. Right. And I don't want to get killed. Right. Because a young kid walking out of the street. And because I'm old and I'm walking like if I own the street.

And here come a young kid walking up. And then, you know, I don't. I go push this kid out the way and he pulls out one of the big ass guns with their extra clip beside your arm and shoot you and everybody around you. You know what I mean? And I brought that all myself. So it's just respect. Right.

You understand? You know, I know that I might run across somebody like me. So if I'm walking down the street and I see somebody have that passage, you know what I mean? And we're getting me bummed each other. I'm going to step aside because he was already coming straight down. Now, I went to get around traffic and now I'm facing him. or what I'm going to expect him to move? No, then what if he says, you know, what I did

and he decided to push me? What if he decided to just pull out a gun on knife and stab me? And these are the things you have to think when you're out there dealing. You understand? That's just the way it is. Yeah, because the only reason I even pushed the dude

because, I mean, I'm just running the back in my mind now, is because he actually saw me and had plenty of time to get out the way. I didn't have no room to get out the way because there was people on both sides of me as I'm walking. But he had to stand aside and let all of us walk that was going by

but he tried to like walk through us you know what I mean don't put yourself in a situation you can't handle man you know and so that's just the way it was

like coming up you're on the block playing music and cops never came around ever that was just you never saw them that was just what it was they drove by

but they never got out and then you were just selling to people on the block uh you were just selling to other people on the block that you knew

no people came from other neighborhoods some drove in some walked in some took the train some took the bus you know what I mean they came from from all over but the police didn't care drugs was never a problem in America back then until you know violence was number one when violence came the feds came you know

I had like three four murders on my case not me but there was three or four murders on my case and that's what brought the feds in the neighborhoods I was in you know or my brother was in rather that we went down you know what I mean because of violence right you know what I mean and the second one is when white people come. Right. You know what I mean? When white people come in a black neighborhood,

police is going to, no, now you're violating. Kill each other. You know, poison each other, ruin each other's lives. But don't ruin our white people's lives. And that's how the mayor sees it.

That's how they all see it. Yeah. You understand what I'm saying? That's how they all seen it. They knew what was going on on 116th Street when they had the cheese lines from way back doing Bumpy Johnson and Frank Lucas days.

They knew what was going. But they didn't care because it was black, you know, poison in blacks. It was Puerto Ricans, you know what I mean? In Alphabet City, poison Puerto Rico, so it was good. You understand? Prime example, from what I've seen, I might be wrong so your viewers could correct me and put in the comments. Up in Boston, right before I got, right when I was locked up, I told you,

Uzi used to get the newspaper to it. And they used to show they had a park in Boston where all the people used to congregate and live in there and just shoot dope. and it would think it was right across from the courthouse so I'm not mistaken and they out there even the people that worked at the courthouse would go out there and sit in the park

and shoot dope where everybody's seen them shooting dope police and everybody and they never did anything about it you know what I mean but that was because it was their own you understand what I'm saying and it was white people too

right but it was their own and they knew they had a problem just like Obama everybody's crying about this Obamacare you know when it first went in remember when Donald Trump went in the first he tore apart everything Obama did you know what I mean

and he went after the Obamacare. You know why the Obamacare survived and they couldn't get rid of it? Because Obama worked in the suboxins, you know, which is the new methadone to get people off of those opioids. You know what I mean? Right.

That was the new methadone. So it's the white people, you know what I mean, that was on Heron in the white neighborhoods, meaning in Utah, Montana, you understand? Doing pills, doing opiates and something like that. And their parents is the ones that was voting. You understand what I'm saying?

And there was Republicans. Right. You know what I mean? And they didn't like Obama either. But they didn't want to get rid of Obamacare because they needed those suboxians to take care of their kids. To take care of their kids.

So yeah, school the, you know, excuse the line with school the nigga Obama. You understand what I'm saying? You know, tear apart everything he did to rip apart that. every, you know, the whole history of what he ever did. But, you know what I mean? Don't touch that Obama kid.

Because little Johnny is on fentany. That's what they're all thinking. No, that's because it's worked into it where they don't have to pay for it. Right. And don't forget, their poor too living below the poverty line. Yeah, of course. You understand? So they can't afford to buy suboxins.

Right. And Obama gave it to them. Right. You know, those same suboxys, they gave out like 30, I think it was like 30 a month. You're supposed to take one a day, you know, starts at like maybe N12 and work their way down. But like the N8s is like, you know, when you come off, because you take it, like an N12, and you feel like, you know, like you shot up 20 bags of dope. And this is government given.

Right. But then you take the N8 and it just gives you a high like if you just shot some dope. So you get the N8 in the prison where they're giving out 30 free a day. You know what I mean? 33 a month. They take those same joints and then they sell them back for like $75 for the 30. That's in prison? No, on the street.

Oh, wow. Seventy-five for the 30. So we'll get our girlfriends and our homeboys to go buy them from the people that's getting it from Obamacare. And then they'll send it to the prison. And now when it comes in the prison, each one go for as little as a hundred. hundred dollars a piece. So 30 a number. You're talking about three thousand dollars. Yeah.

Just from one. Yeah. And so that's how you're getting heroin into the prison or like getting this, getting the product into the, into the prisons. Getting the heroin high in the prison. Yeah. Could it give you the same high as heroin, but it's not heroin. Right. And that's why the people that get it, they'll sell it to go buy real heroin. But they just get on the Obamacare to get it for free. That's crazy. It's like somebody get Obama phone just to sell it. They don't even want it. They already got an iPhone 14. Yeah, of course, but it's free. It's free, and then they'll sell it and make $80. Right.

You understand? Yeah. But if you get that same phone that costs $80 in prison, that's $3,000 for a phone in the prison. So there's real money that you can start making once you're in the prison. Yeah, because it depends where you're at and how hard it is to get whatever contraband you want. That dictates the price. Right. Like right now, price of cocaine went up to, let's say, $40,000 a key, you know.

That's because it's harder to get it in past the price. borders and everything going. But back in the 80s, when they was freely letting it in, you know, 10,000 a key. You know what I mean? Now it's 40. When did you start buying product directly from some of the cartels in Central America? Oh, 88. Okay. So you had been in the game for a little bit. Yeah, no, because that's that, that was doing the crack era where the money was coming like that. Back then that I'm talking about in the 70s, this was the dope era. So it was a. So it was a selective fuel that was getting high on dope. It was a hell of a lot, but it wasn't everybody.

When the crack came, it's like everybody was getting high on for smoking crack. Right. But the hair around, everybody wasn't doing it. Everybody's not going to take a needle and put it in their own. Yeah, that's intense. You understand what I'm saying? Yeah, it takes a lot. If you see somebody shooting dope and they offer your needle, you're going to say no.

But if you see somebody smoking crack with a pipe or smoking, you know, crack rolled up in a joint or in a cigarette and they offer it to you, you know, it's more easier to say yes to that. You understand? Then to a needle going in your damn off. Yeah, of course. So it just explodes from there. Yeah.

So, you know, by the time it explode where everybody was doing it, now the demand was more. And you saw the transition. Oh, yeah. I saw the transition for everything. What was the main transition from dope to crack? It was just that you didn't have to shoot it up? It was cheaper. Crack with $2 and $3 or a hit.

Right. Dope was still $10 a hit. That's why a lot of dope fiends went over to crack. Because they still wanted to get high. And now they're getting high for $10. I mean, for $2 instead of, or $3 instead of for $10. You know what I mean? So you're buying dope from the Panamanians and then all of a sudden you switch over to crack.

Then I switched over to powder cocaine. Powder cocaine. You know, I went back to weed and then went to powder cocaine and then went to crack. You know what I mean? Do a lot of dealers, do they sell everything all at once or do they just sell one specific thing? No, no, one specific thing. Why? You know what I mean?

Because weed was too bulky. So a lot of people didn't want to mess with it. You know what I mean? You had to get 50 pounds to make what you'll make from one little kilo. Right. You understand what I'm saying? So you got to keep it somewhere. Like you got to transport it and she's just too bulky. I mean you know what they're trying to move 50 pounds around or store 50 pounds. Yeah, of course. And you know what it smells like when you have 50 pounds under a roof? Must there's one kilo under a roof. Got it's in a plastic bag already. So you didn't really mess with weed for that reason. No, I mean, I messed with weed. I used to sell weed. But I went to coke for that reason.

Gotcha. Because it was more money. And I wanted to convert into dope As far as, you know, buying wholesale dope And cutting it up and all of that myself But nobody would teach me Because my mentality was too strong Where they knew I would have took over the game And my money was too long

And the Coke money Like if we teach you how to sell dope How to cut dope You know what I mean? You know, I'll be working for you Right You know what I mean So they wanted to keep you out

Yeah most definitely Dope was an elite circle You know what I mean So you got to get like Almost tapped to get into it even. To get the connects. To learn how to really cut it the way you're supposed to.

And then when other people started getting in it and, you know, was trying to figure out how to cut it. That's where a lot of people was OD in, like how you see a lot of people dying from fentanyl now. Right. You know, it's not getting cut properly. Yeah, you know what I mean? Because you got to know the right amount of mixture.

Right. So it's not an overdose. Right. Because the more people that are overdosed. I don't know one dude that put a bad batch out there and 18 people died. You understand? For one bad batch. And that fucks up everyone's money.

Because you see 18 people die. The police are there. No, no, no, no. The 18 people that died, there was another 18 trying to find out where he got that dope from. That just means his system wasn't strong enough. But they feel their system is strong enough. Right.

And so as things are transitioning, now you get, how do you even get in? How do you get into the Coke Circle? Well, you could get it from any street corner. The whole Washington Heights, you drive up any block, 160th, 158, 156, you drive up any block. And you got about 20 dudes out there selling drugs.

So it's not hard to get it. You know, it was so accessible. You could walk out your door and say, I need to get some money to get some sneakers and go buy a gram, you know, cook the gram up and sell it to make $400 or $500. Off that, you know, gram, you just paid $30 to $40 from. Right. Now you got a whole outfit for that $30, $40 in 20 minutes. Right.

You know what I mean? And some people had the willpower to say, well, I got my. my outfit I'm good and you got some people said I want more I want more and you get addicted like me right because I had way more than enough to stop plenty of times you know but you know as I was getting it I was spending it you know what I mean let me buy this house let me buy these two Mercedes you know what I mean yeah you know let me go buy this you know this chain for you know 80,000 you know what I'm saying it was like that yeah you know and I know I'm gonna make it back you know I mean, so it's like it's never ending.

At what point was it starting to be like real money where you're like, y'all, I'm buying houses, I'm buying all the chains, cars. When that crack came in. That was the crack. Listen, I paid a dude $80,000 to teach me how to cook the crack the way he cooked the crack. 80,000. That's why I like on my YouTube, I tell him in a minute, you come watch my show. Okay, if you donate a dollar, you know, $5 and it's one of my subscribers,

pretty gangster that say $10 ain't going to hurt nobody. You understand what I'm saying? because the game is to be sold not told. You know what I mean? The game of cooking, crack cocaine to turn one key into 1,800 grams, you know, turn 1,000 grams and 1,800 grams. It cost me 80,000. Wow. But I made that back the first night.

But the game is to be sold not told. I didn't argue with them. I'm going to pay $8,000 because you know how to do it. I'm going to make money from it, so I'm going to pay for it. Wow. And that's just what it is. I mean, it really is business, right? Like, you make an investment in yourself.

Listen, they sit there and they watch, they watch, you know, power, Raising Canaan, Your Honor. You know what I mean? All these shows on Netflix and stars and all of this. And they pay a cable bill. Right. They're paying for the service. You understand?

Just paying for a service. But now they come on our YouTube channel and they watch our program. Right. And they expect to get that for free. You understand? Right. Like, I got 40. I got 47,000 subscribers on my YouTube.

47,000 subscribers, I tell them, you know, I need a new camera and, you know what I mean, I need a new laptop. You understand what I'm saying? So I give you the best quality. You understand? So I'm asking you to donate, whether it's a dollar or $5. Right.

You understand what I'm saying? Contribute to the hustle. Right. Because you go on a restaurant, you like the service, you tip. You go on the strip club, you like the service, you tip. You know what I mean? The Uber ticket driver take you for a drive, and you like the service, you tip.

But as soon as this service, everyone wants it for free. Everybody wants it for free. Yep. Nope. You understand what I'm saying? But the gamers will be sold at all. And I'm giving them jewels on my channel. Right.

For free. For free. Yeah. You understand what I'm saying? So I'm not charging you a subscription like Netflix. You know what I'm saying? Don't need. Right.

Whatever you can. Yeah. And I'm telling me if you can, if you don't have a dollar, give me an emoji and hit a like. You know what I'm saying? But give me something. Right. Yeah. You know what I'm satisfied with an emoji.

Yeah. You know what I mean? But show me that you respect the hustle. Of course. man that the game is to be sold not told so now how do you go from making all this money like at what point was your highest net worth where you had like just straight up cash because you probably can't put this in the bank either right I don't know I never even had a bank account of my life you know what I mean but banks you know I mean everything is cash and you know people ask that

question all the time that's not in the game but when you're making money then you understand that you don't count the money and you don't say I have a net worth you can just get what the fuck you want anything you want when you want you want you want you want you want you want you If I want a Mercedes, like, you know, I'm wearing this outfit. I say, damn, I like this, I like this beige color here. You know, let me go get a Mercedes to match this jacket. You understand what I'm saying? I don't have a Mercedes this color and say, let me get a jacket to match the Mercedes.

You know what I mean? I go get the Mercedes to match the jacket. Wow. It was something that I like and I want to put an outfit together, that includes a car too. Right. The same way you'll get shoes to match your shirt. You'll get a car to match your shirt. You understand what I'm saying?

It's just wild. No, I mean I said, that's what it was, but I wasn't the only one doing that. Right, that's just what it is. That's just what it was. But you made a lot more than most other people, though. Yeah, yeah, you know, and a lot of people made more than me. I was in 80s. It's funny you said that.

I'm in 80X Supermax with a dude, Mario Villabona. You know what I mean? Mario Villabona was the one that was supplying, well, we don't say allegedly because YouTube, was allegedly surprising. was allegedly supplying Harriot and Bo Bennett out in California during the freeway Rick Ross era.

Now, I run into him and I had plenty of money, millions on the streets and all that. But I run into this dude and this dude had airplanes. You understand what I'm saying? He had multiple Rose Royces. You know, he had like Ferraris.

I mean, he was on another level than me even though I was up there, but there's always somebody bigger than you, and there's always someone worse off than you. So when I was four-pointed, I thought about the ones that I rack. You know what I mean? When I started making money, I started thinking about Mario Villaboarder. And I'm saying, I need to get to where he had. Right.

You know what I mean? And now I set my sights to become bigger than him. Right. And that's what it was. It was a friendly competition, you know? My man Kevin Chowell's went out and bought a 190 Mercedes, right? 16-valve-red joint. Then he went and put the gold hammers on it.

You know what I mean? Then he put the gold trimming. And then he sent that joint out to California and got the whole roof cut off to turn into a convertible. Because Mercedes didn't have a convertible back then other than the little 380 sports one. Yeah. You know what I mean? This man sent the car ride at the top cut and brought it back to Harlem. Now, you know what that looked like when he drove down the street and that?

You understand what I'm saying? Now, me as another player, I didn't say, man, screw that dude. You know? I said, that's the shit. You know, I went to him, shook his hand. I said, man, that's drawing fire, nigga. But I'm going to see you next year. Can you shut it down?

You knock me out this year, you know? So I went and I built a wide-body BMW convertible and put a Tesoroza body kit on it and the back wheels was 13 inches wide. Wow. The front wheels was like eight inches. You know, where you could put your girl's foot in your front rim and you can put your foot in the back rim

before you even hit the rim. It was literally this wide. I used to go to car washes and couldn't get in the car wash because it was too wide for the belt. You know what I mean? But I had to outdo him. Right. You had to flex on him. Yeah, because he's flexed on me.

Right. You know what I mean? I didn't hate on him. You know what I mean? We played the same game. I went to flex back and you step your game up. Whoa. You understand what I'm saying.

And that's where it is. That's why I said like, you know, you know, you say net worth, man, we get what we want to get. So, and we didn't have a bank account to say I got this. You put a million over there, a million over there. 800,000 here, 600,000 there, 700,000 there. You just know you got access to that when you want it. And where do you keep it? Apartments, you know, friends' houses, girlfriends' houses.

Got you. Just wherever. Like, you're in the suburbs. I might bring you two million and say, you'll hold this for me. I'll hold it for you. And you're going to put in your garage. Right. You understand what I'm saying?

But how do you keep them from just kind of taking a little bit off the top? Yeah, because they could take what they want to take. You're giving what they want to get. They get paid to hold it. Yeah. They're the bank. The same when you pay your interest with the bank. You pay your interest and you give your money.

home. So if I take somebody a million dollars and I say, yo, here go $100,000, I need you to hold this for me. He's not going to say no. And he's not going to touch, you know, the other than $900,000. Right. You know what I'm going to take what you give him? And he's happy as hell for that. Right. He doesn't have to do with him. Yeah. And no one knows him. And no one knows his day. Wow.

Just when I need it and I tell you to bring it, you bring it. Right. You know, and that's it. You know, me on the block. I got a cop. You know, nigga pull up with a little whole buggy with the million dollars in the trunk. You know what I mean? You throw the duffer bag in the back and you go cop. And were you dealing with like million dollar duffel bags? Yeah. You know like me, listen, if a person wasn't buying 20 keys at one time from me, I wasn't selling to him. Wow. And how big is a key again? A key is like this, like a half of a psychopedia. Oh, that's just a kilo. That's a kilo. Okay, got you. That's a thousand grams. Got you got to buy 20 of those.

20 kilos? Yeah. You know what I mean? So when I go on a block, you got 30, 40 people hustling. You understand what I'm saying? And everybody's buying. And everybody's buying. you know, nine ounces, half a key, a key, buying whatever. So I'm not going to go on a block and deal with 50 or 60 different people. You know what I mean? I'm going to tell you y'all. I'll come out to the suburbs and you hustling. I'm going to tell you, y'all, get all your homies and put their money together

when you got enough for 20 keys called. Wow. And now I deal with you. So if the money's short, you're the one I'm going to kill. I don't have to go look for the other night. Yeah, it's just the one. You know what I mean? Just the one.

And how much is a key at that time? At that time, I was getting it for 10. It was going for like 15 between 15 and 17. 15 was even cheap. It went for under 20. They just called it that. And you had some people that were even doing more than 20 keys. Yeah, hell, yeah.

That's what I'm saying. I mean, I wasn't the biggest. Wow. Yeah, by far I wasn't the big. If I'm telling you, like, Marri Villabon, no, you got dudes that was bringing in tons. I was locked up in ADX with Juan Ramon Mata from Honduras. This dude was shipping in tons weekly, man. You know what I mean?

I'm selling a little 25 keys a day. That ain't shit. Still, though YouTube was or something. You know what I mean? But doing that error, that wasn't shit. Wow. You understand? Come, I know 25 a day.

I know all the homies that was selling a hundred a day. Wow. You understand? But they didn't know them, but I knew them. So they looked at me like I was the biggest from where they was at. But now I'm looking at my man selling a hundred keys. So I'm looking at him like he's the man. But I know there's somebody above him that's bringing that ton in.

Yeah, it's all relative. You understand what I'm saying? Because there's always somebody worse off, like I said, you know, like in Iraq getting bombed or being full-pointed in prison, you're thinking of people in Iraq. Of course. So when you out there on the street, you know, you selling, somebody's selling 100 keys, you're selling 25, you know, somebody else is selling 500 keys. Right.

And then what was it? What was the cartel that you were working with to actually get? The Cali cartel. That was the Cali cartel. Yeah. And they were in Mexico? No, they was right here in New York. Oh, really?

You know what I mean? But it was in Queens. They couldn't come over to Washington Heights where I was at, you know, because Escobar ran that. And if they came anywhere near there trying to pick a customer off or sell something over there, he didn't do nothing to them.

He just went back to Columbia and killed their family members and let them stay here and suffer. Oh, so the Cali cartel were Colombians living... They both was Colombians. So they were... Cali and Medell Young was Colombian.

Right, okay. And so they're living in... Columbia. Okay, got you. And I did a show on my YouTube channel about Escobar. You know what I mean? Everybody got it miscarus school

like Escobar was this vicious animal that went after the government in Mexico, I mean in Colombia. No, he went after the government officials that was trying to bring in extradition to extradite people from Colombia to America.

You understand? That's what the problem was. Eskabar figured if he come to America or Europe or wherever and sell drugs, he should be able to go back to his home and be safe with and nobody could come get him. And it was like that. But then the politicians started coming in like you saw on

Scarface, you know, with Sosa, the politicians started coming and saying they was running on, you know, not giving Columbia a bad name, you know what I mean, by extraditing these drug dealers. But it's the drug dealers with their money that was building the economy. Right. It wasn't the government. Right. Yeah. So the whole thing is sustained by these drug dealers that they're trying to extradite and get them

and take into the states and lock them up. Yeah. So Escobar is selling to the Cali cartel. No, no, no. Escobar is selling to Washington Heights. Okay. And the Cali cartel is like in Queens, freelancing, whoever they could pick off over here in Queens in the surrounding areas. Gotcha.

But the hub was Washington Heights. And that was controlled by Escobar. Oh, wow. You understand? All the way from like 207th Street to 135th or like 125th Street down to 110th Street. I understand that. I understand that. But Escobar's territory.

And if any of the Cali cartel went there and tried to, you know, supply somebody, because they had the same amount of weight as he did. but they try to deal with him now you're gonna kill your family back in Columbia oh shit you know he ain't gonna do nothing to you you know he gonna let you suffer right yeah yeah yeah yeah I've seen dudes that was multi multi millionaires multi millionaires over you know

I've seen them come try and sell up in my neighborhood Escobar go back and kill their family next time I see them in Queens they're homeless they lost their mind and they will to survive after their family members all got killed wow that's how serious this game is That's why I tell the youth don't get involved in it. They just haven't seen it.

Right. But this is still happening right here in America. Like, you know, dude sell on somebody's turf and the dude shoot his little brother. You know what I mean? Shoot his mother. You know what I mean? And they say, oh, he shot my mother.

You know what I mean? No, you should have sold on my turf. Yeah. It's a fucking evil game, bro. I mean, it's not an evil game. It's a real game. Yeah. You know what I mean?

Ain't nothing evil about it. Life is evil. When people's family start getting killed. When you put a man in jail for life plus 20. You know what I mean? That's an evil game. Yeah, that's true. But it's life.

That's a part of breaking the law. So you know if you break the law, you're looking at life plus 20. So that's why I tell the kids, if you all want to break the law, feel free to do it. But just know when you get caught to shut the fuck up because you chose to do it. You know what I mean? So I'm going to tell on your man, you know, your pet monkey bubbles. You know, you ain't got to tell on nobody because bubbles ain't tell you to do it. And bubbles ain't get caught.

You got caught. And so were you dealing with Escobar's people to actually get product to Washington Heights? Yeah. Oh, really? And I've had a lot of Escobar's cocaine because, like I said, he supplied my neighborhood. You know what I mean? But, you know, my uncle was dealing with the Cali cartel and that's how I met them through him. You know what I mean?

Because I was working for him. And, you know, when he decided to, you know, build a studio and get out the game because he's the one that put R. Kelly out. So, you know, he had his foot in the entertainment thing and knew the money. I think he sold him for like four. $475,000 for the contract. That's your uncle? Yeah, you know what I mean? So, you know, he sells it for a little 400-something thousand,

and he took that and was building the biggest recording studio in South Beach, and he was comfortable with that. So he turned to connect over to me. And then he linked to R. Kelly? No, he's the one that put out R. Kelly. And R. Kelly was who was getting him into the legal door. Whoa. But then he sold R. Kelly.

When R. Kelly blew up, the major record label came to sign him, and he signed R. Kelly over to them, like a slave. You know what I mean? He sold his property. I mean, that's a music business. That's crazy. And that's why I use that word slave, because that's all it is. Right.

All these little rappers, they're slaves to the big plantation. You know what I mean? It was the big record labels, you know, but, you know, what it is. Everybody got to eat and everybody got to play a position. Right. Data entertainer, the plantation master got the resources and the distribution. So, you know what I mean? And the marketing.

So you go to the plantation and say, hey, help me get my record out. And they say, okay, I'm going to give you these crumbs. and you do this, but the crumbs I'm giving you is going to make you live greater than the people that you grew up with. Because that little couple of dollars

that any one of these rappers is making is nothing unless you start talking about JZ and P. Diddy money. Right. You understand what I'm saying? But these little rappers that's all in there walking around

with stacks of money and all that. Come on, we don't did that with drug money. Right. You understand what I'm saying? And that little money compared to what your plantation master got. Nothing. From you, it's nothing.

Yeah. Yeah. When I realized it is doing the baseball lockout, and I'm giving you too much. We're going to be a much long, so we're going to have to wrap this up. All good. But look, the plantation master, get a good example. Remember when they had the lockout of baseball? You know what, that was over? I know you don't. Because they didn't want the regular people to know. The lockout in baseball was when they was bringing those dudes over from, like, Cuba. And, you know, because, you know, guys from Cuba are El Duque. You know what I mean? Doos coming over from Cuba, you know, they were. was living just as bad as I was living in Jamaica, damn near with no shoes. And then now they come over here and you get an agent that helped them sneak over to the United States. And then now he got them a $120 million contract for five years. Now he can buy the whole goddamn Cuba damn. You know what I mean with $120 million, you know? But then now baseball was like, now, we're paying

the players too much. They're not supposed to get that. So they try baseball try to cut the players' salary. But then if they cut the salary, who gets that cut? Exactly, the plantation master. So they held out for like 18 months. Baseball was one of the best sports in America, most popular sports in America, was one of them, not the best because the YouTubers be look for anything to complain at. But it was one of the most popular sports in America. Baseball as a hot dog in the summertime. I grew up playing baseball up in Washington Heights and out in Jersey and in Brooklyn. You know what I mean? Because baseball was that popular. But baseball collapsed when they had the you know that strike because it went 18 months without a real game right

and that that affects the whole league that affects the perception and it's all over just these guys getting now you have nothing to watch so now you lose interest the same as you do the same way if you don't continue to put our content on your channel they're going to go to another channel of course you understand I'm saying and then now you decide to you know put your channel back up now you got to build that back up well by then basketball blew up even more which was already popular and football blew a preview more which is already popular and even soccer snuck in on it and started getting more popular during that time because they didn't have no baseball games to put on it was putting soccer games and just whatever they could put right then they started showing the

the b league that's where michael jordan i know the whole history of this country man because i lived in the heart of it and it's all over just paying these guys too much money and then yeah if they're getting too much these poor people these niggas ain't supposed to get that right these foreigners ain't supposed to get that right You know what I mean? How are you going to give a dude that don't have a pair of shoes $100 million? You understand? This is how they looked at it. Of course, which is fucked up.

I mean, these guys are bringing all the money. Okay, so that's when they made a salary cap. Right. You can't get more. If you're a rookie, you can't get more than $3 million. Yeah. You know, for three years, five years, however they put it, this and that. Okay, then who gets over the salary cap?

Who gets that money? The plantation master. Yeah. So they tried to get together and squeeze them, but the agents that was getting a percentage of the, that $100 million, they fought for those guys, but it took them too long. Interesting.

I didn't realize all that. There's a lot of things you don't realize. That's true. No, because the media don't want you to realize that. But that's what was going on behind the scenes. The plantation masters were saying now, we give me these poor people too much money. Keep fresh out of high life, even Kobe and all that, basketball.

Fresh out of high school, getting $120 million in high school. No way. That's why they put the cap on it. And music is the same way. It all works the same way. And that's exactly what I was talking about. These rappers go up there and they give them a little two, three million, five million dollar signing bonus, but they're going to make a hundred million off of them.

That's why now the rumor is they're electrically getting these rappers killed after they start making money. You know what I mean? Because now they're worth more dead than alive because they own the catalog. That's the salary cap. That's the salary cap. Crazy. What do you think the relationship is with like now with rap music and the drug game?

Like, do you think it's, it perpetuates? It's always going to be the same. The drug game is the fuel, you know what I mean, for the rap game. You know what I mean? Because the rappers is talking about what the drug game is doing. Right. The drug game is not talking about the rappers are doing. We don't give a crap about the rappers.

Right. You understand what I'm saying, but they give a crap about us. They want to know what we're wearing, what we're saying, what we're drinking, what we're smoking, what girls are screwing. You understand what the girls in our neighborhood is dressing like, you know? Not what Kim Kardashian is dressing like. Could they not create any own fashion? They're watching. the people from the dope game

and getting their fashion from them. You understand what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And the time that you were living in like the Upper West, like kind of like Washington Heights area, that's also like the birth of rap music. It is the birth. And I created a lot of that.

You know what I mean? I had Club 2000. Right. You know what I mean? Club 2000 was, you know, the only club we had uptown in New York, you know, for blacks, hip hop, rap, you know? and I had Bismarck up there, Red Alert, Funkmaster Flex,

been up in there, Queen Latifah, naughty by nature, Andre Harrell, Puffy, Mary J. Blige, Father MC, SWV, Aunt Brian Nubian, Black Sheep. I can name names all day, Onyx, you know what I mean? All them was on my stage. And they were coming through the club. And just before they even started. Yeah, just coming up.

Yeah. So they had to come to my people because what my people do, meaning, you know, Harlem the Bronx, you know, Brooklyn, what the streets do. What we do is what dictate, you know what I mean,

what the world do. They come up there and I'm wearing this sweater, you know what I mean, that button up fly shit, you know what I mean? I got the joint like this next to you know

you're going to see Big Daddy can wearing a button up like this on stage or on a photo shoot, you know? But he'll never tell you, oh, I see a unique with it. Do you get mad if rappers bite the dope dealer's shit?

No, for what? You know what I mean? That's why we do it. We're trendsetters. Everything I'm saying is factual. Ain't nobody going to dispute nothing, I say. Because I was the hub for the rap game during that time, for the urban area. What about guys like Coke La Rock? Let me explain this one. Let me explain this one. I was the hub. You know what I mean? You got a wheel. Yep. And then you got a hub in the wheel and the spokes is connected to the wheel.

You know what I mean? If you take that hub out, everything collapsed. and that's what happened when I got when I got knocked and went to prison you know what I mean? Hip hop collapsed in New York you understand what I'm saying? It collapsed and that's what opened the door

for like Atlanta with Little John and you know what I mean in California and then you know like how now when Big Meach went down he was the hub you know after me you understand

he was the hub for the rap game for the entertainment for the drug game You understand? Doing that time. And he was keeping it all together. Meaning everything was connected to him. Right. And the same way everything was connected to you.

Exactly. We're just talking about different, you know, time periods. Right. You know what I mean? Different generations. You understand? So when Big Meets went down, Atlanta collapsed. But Atlanta's still trying to hold on to what Big Meach had.

New York never really recovered from it because everybody from New York, when I went down and Kevin Chiles and, you know what I mean, Lou Sims and. You know what I mean? Ferris and Peter Shoe and all the dope boys that was the hubs because I was the only hub. You understand what I'm saying? We all was hubs. And everything was connected to us.

And so how did the guys that came up in like the 90s, they recover from that hub getting cut off? No, that's my era that got from the 90s. I was from the 80s and 90s. Right. Early 90s. I got locked up in 93. That's right. So like Biggie and Jay-Z.

They came after me. That was the next generation. Gotcha. So they fell under the big Meach thing, even though Meets came a couple of years later, but I was already gone a decade. You understand what I'm saying? But had you not got jammed up, those would have been connected to your hub. If I wouldn't have got locked up, I would have been the puffier Jay-Z of today.

And they knew that. That's why they grabbed me. You understand what I'm saying? They knew what they was doing. They grabbed all of us. They knew it was going to take over. Right. Cut the head off.

the head off. That's why they have the kingpin law. That's why they got the RICO. The kingpin is, you get the person at the top, you know what I mean? Because everything else is going to fall. Right. Because the top is like a puppet master. And when did you know it was all over? It was never all over. You know what I mean? Because if it was all over, I wouldn't be sitting here talking to you. That's a good point. You understand what I'm saying? Yeah. It was never all over. A sucker felt like it was over. A lot of suckers counted me out and felt like my career was over. You know what I mean? But I was still making history.

Yeah. You know what I mean? Like I'm still doing it now. Look, I'm over here with you. Yeah, of course. You know what I appreciate it so much. I'm just like you know, but that's what it is. It's not over to your last breath.

I love that. You know what I mean? But suckers believe it's over. There is no ending until you can't breathe because you always got a chance. I had a guy that told me a similar thing. He was like, it's only failure once you quit. Exactly. But if you never quit, you can never be a failure.

You can never win unless you get in it. Yeah. if you don't play that powerball or that lottery, you definitely can't win. So you lost. But if you play, you know what I mean? You're in the game. So when you were getting sentenced,

what was your mentality? Were you thinking about, oh, all the stuff I lost? Or were you thinking forward? Like, all right, let's blaze this. I would think, man,

I got to come up with a plan. I got to get out of here. You know what I mean? While I was being sent in, I'm standing and thinking, and they asked me, oh, what do you have to say? You know, what do you want to say,

you know, to save yourself? And, you know, so this was a part where I both said, uh, I came from Jamaica with no shoes and it was hard. And yeah, man, screw that. You already know all of that. Because you did my criminal history report.

You did my PSI, my probation report, you know. So I told them straight up. I said, all right, because I'm thinking, you know, while I was in there before I got sentenced, that damn shit could have turned out different if I had an education. So I went in front of the judge and if I had anything to say, I said, yeah, send me somewhere I could further my education. So something coming down to pike later on,

I could go home and be a better, you know, father to my children. and, you know, and man for the community, you know? And the prosecutor caught me a scumbag, said, 40 years from now if this man, if you give this man 40 years, 40 years from now, whatever criminal activity is going on, he's going to be a part of. You understand what I'm saying? And said, I deserve to die.

You know, go read the newspaper, put my name in. Everybody watching this. Go Google. Unique Hall, you know, Virginia Beach, you know, Virginia, 1994. And they even put it in the paper. When I got my sentence of life, I was their exact words was I was unflinching because it didn't move me because I really knew that I was a prisoner of war I really knew what time it was so they thought I was crazy because I didn't break down in court and I didn't ask for

forgiveness or my freedom in court I just told him send me somewhere so I could further my education so something happened I come back and be a better person and then good old Donald Trump there's a lot of people don't like you know what I mean came in and he signed over the first step act and all my comments is coming home from Donald Trump. Not from Obama. Obama let out maybe 2,000 people, maybe 2,200 people is what came out under that, you know, I would get ready to say fake, because to me it was fake.

That fake clemency program that they ran. It was only fake because he tried to get bipartisan support. He tried to get the Democrats and Republican on board. Man, you're the president. Do what the hell you want to do. And a lot of people ain't going to like this, but I'm going to keep it 100 because I ain't going to be on here much long, I'm going to give it to them raw.

A lot of people don't like, you know what I mean, Donald Trump. You understand what I'm saying? But to me, Donald Trump is one of the best presidents of America ever had. Because he honored his word, not because he released me. You know, because he honored his word to his supporters, to his base. Go back and look at everything Donald Trump did. When he went in the office and he said he was going to do A, B, and C, he went with a checklist from he got in and did A, B, and we didn't agree with none of it.

I didn't agree with none of it. Let me get that straight. I don't agree with none of that that he's doing. You know what I mean? But he's doing for the people that voted him in. And everybody was saying, oh, you know, and they ain't going to like this either. Oh, he was supposed to be the president for the whole country. You understand what I'm saying?

The whole country didn't put him in. The whole country, half the country didn't like him. You understand what I'm saying? So does he abandon the people that put him in to try to appease the people that didn't put them in that don't like him? And that's what the difference with Obama and him was. Yeah. You know, Obama tried to appease everybody, even the people that didn't vote for him. But Donald Trump showed them a new way.

to run the government. You know what I mean? Worry about your base and the ones that put you in office. The same way you worry about your family and your friends. You're not worried about me living up in Harlem.

And then the viewer's going to say, but you're not the president. You know what I mean? But it's the same mentality. You know what I mean? Donald Trump is talking about the people that put him in office. So when he went in everything he wanted to do,

he did on his own, even the Republicans bucked him, all that he did. And first thing he did was something that no other president ever done. If I say he's the greatest, you know what I mean? He signed executive orders. He said school the Democrats, school to Republicans, school to Congress, school the Senate.

You know what I mean? I'm the president. This is what I want to do. This is what I told my supporters I was going to do. This is why I told the people that put me in office I was going to do. And I'm going to do it with or without you. Yeah. And that's why up to today, they can't stop him.

He haven't been in Washington in three years. He's still running shit. And he's still running. What they think is the Republican. party, which is the Trump party. Now, there's people comments in being like, oh, but unique. He's a Trump is racist and he blah, blah, blah, blah. It don't matter.

Listen, I don't care if you don't like me because I'm black or Jamaican. You know what I mean? Put money on my kids' table. Put money on my table. Pay my rent. And you cannot like me all you want. But that don't mean I'm going to like you back. Like I said, I don't like nothing that Donald Trump stand for.

You understand what I'm saying? But I respect him as a man because he honored his word to his people. Right. Any man that honored their word, I respect. Even a racist man. Not saying he's racist, but just saying that, you know, racist. I'm not going to get into whether he is or is it. Right.

But someone with bad tendencies, if they stick to their word, that's respectful in your mind. That's respect for any man's mind. Because a man that don't keep his word is not a man. Period. So because a man don't like Germans or don't like blacks or don't like Africans or don't like Jamaicans or don't like Haitians or don't like Cubans, you know what I mean? Because he stick to his word and he don't like these people. He's less of a man. He ain't got to like me. There's a whole bunch of people that I don't like. Right. But I still deal with. I don't like the

little corner Arab that I got to go buy from every day. But I still got to do business with him. Right. So you keep a cordial, keep a pushing. Yeah. And I respect his establishment. As long as he don't disrespect me. Sure. And that's what it all come down to. So I mean, people get caught up in this race thing because that's what the media put out there. It ain't about race, man. It's about coming together as a people. Donald Trump told him when he was running, he told the black people, man, I laughed like a mother. I was in federal prison. He told the black people, you know, it was compared by all the killer in Chicago and all this going on with the violence and this and that, you know, and it was below the poverty line, everything. Donald Trump said,

you know, vote for me. What do you got to lose? That was the best line ever. And it was perfect for the situation. Yes, it's so true. Your life has screwed up your whole life. Yeah. What are you got to lose? Yeah, it's so true. Why not, right?

You understand what I'm saying? Yeah. So don't by any means thinking I'm saying I'm a Donald Trump fan. No, no, no. I'm a man fan. Right. I'm an honorable man fan. When he got in office, first thing he did was handle his business for what his base put

him in office to do, even though the ones that didn't vote for him didn't like it. But he didn't care. He said, screw you. next time vote for me and I'll do for you too but I'm not going to do for you and forget the people that put me in office because then when it's time for re-electing

they're going to remember I didn't do what I was supposed to do but all those people that they running around saying is a Trump supporter Trump base he did what he told him he was going to do you think he wins if he runs again

he's definitely going to win he can't lose without a question he can't lose because even poor people that cause him racist know that the country was better off what he was dead. What is going on right now in the country? Yeah. Tell me anything that they done did in Washington the last three years.

Yeah, we got some inflation going on. But tell me, tell me one thing they did in the last three years. Yeah. No, tell me, do you have one or no? But that's the point. No one does. No one know what the hell they're doing up there. But everybody knew what Donald Trump was doing could the media stayed on them. Right. You know, but when regular Washington is up there, you know what I mean? they keep all that hidden from us. But Donald Trump is up. They say, oh, he's doing this for the white people. He's doing this for the supremacists.

He's doing this for that. But that's the same thing they're doing now. But they're just not publicized. It's just quiet. Exactly. Yeah. And what he did was expose both parties to get the people to see that both of them, you know what I mean, was the same. They didn't care.

Yeah, that's kind of how I feel. I look at these politicians, I'm like, I feel like they're both racist. I feel like they're both don't care about poor people. That's what Donald Trump pointed. it out. And that's what they don't like. That he tore report Washington by exposing the bullshit. The bullshit. And you could, you know, call him racist, call him whatever. Like I said, am I going to get into if he's racist not because I don't even care. Right. You know what I mean? Because, you know, I dealt with Barry Mills in ADX. You understand what I'm saying? The leader that,

you know, they're in the brotherhood and all that. Right. I dealt with them. You know what I mean? He didn't, he didn't have to like me. All he had to do is respect me. And I'm good with that. Did he respect you? Yeah. You all are cool. Yeah.

Wow. You understand what I'm saying? It's respect. Right. But I don't agree with his views. Of course not. No, and he don't agree with mine. But we could agree to disagree, but we must respect each other because then you have a problem.

That's a good lesson. I do think that in the current generation, there's a feeling that everyone has to agree and everyone has to be on the same page with everything. And that's what the problem is. It's not going to happen. It's not going to happen. And that's why when Donald Trump went in there, he went in there and said that this group of people in America voted for me.

I promised this group in America I was going to do something. And that's what I'm going to do. You know what I mean? And when Obama went in, this group of people voted for him. And then, you know, this group of people didn't. And then now it was a chance with the first black man in history to become a president. You know what I mean? Now he could be the Abraham Lincoln.

to free all the slaves. But instead he said, okay, y'all voted for me. So I know y'all want your people to come out of jail. But let me go get these people that didn't vote for me to come on board for me to get your people out of jail. Yeah, I can see that. I can see trying to play too nice, trying to please everyone. You can't please everyone, man. You don't get everything done.

Like everyone is not going to like what I'm saying right now. Right. I'm just giving you the facts. First of all, I don't care if Donald Trump is racist. You know what I mean? Not saying he is or he isn't. I don't even put the thought pattern behind it. Because whether he is or isn't, isn't going to put a dollar in my pocket.

Right. You understand what I'm saying? But if he's president, it might help you out financially. And that's all I care about if it helps me out financially. And then I still don't care what he does. I didn't care about, you know, Bill Clinton getting head from Monica Lewinsky. People wasted their time worrying about that when they pour and they got nothing to eat. But they're talking about Clinton is a this and Clinton is a that because he did this and did.

That's so what? Yeah, people are starving. We're starving, man. Yeah. What you care what a rich man do up in Washington with his privates? Yeah. You know what I mean? But America's so lost.

They put all their energy into worrying about what he was doing in Washington with his privates instead of, well, and when all that was going on, Clinton, he was not here, another great president. When Clinton was doing this thing, Clinton told him straight up. You know what I mean? You know, I'm not answering none of that. You know what I mean? I'm going to let the media deal with that.

and I'm going to do what the American people put me in office to do. And he continued to run the country. And that was it. And it was great when he was there, too. He was another good president. Yeah. You know what I mean? The only reason why I like Donald Trump so much is because he honored his word.

Yeah, you just can't get people trying to please everybody. Yeah. And like my judge, my judge gave me life plus 20. You understand what I'm saying? I both had die in jail with no chance of parole. You know what I mean? But when I stood in front of him, 27 years before, I told him, send me someplace I could further my education.

And when I went to jail, I became an assault. certified electrician, a certified cook, a certified plumber, certified h-back and refrigeration, certified mechanic. You understand what I'm saying? I learned about computers. That's why I'm doing YouTube so great. You understand what I'm saying? I mean, I went and I couldn't read her right when I went to jail. You understand I'm saying? I couldn't read it right, you know? And then you wrote this. And then I wrote my book, Aurora in Harlem. Yeah, I mean, that's crazy. You were telling me before you wrote it on toilet paper. I wrote that, I wrote, most of that on toilet paper.

Because they wouldn't give me regular paper to write on. I'm trapped in a cell in ADX. And they brought me toilet paper every week. So I had to write it on toilet paper. I got a box of toilet paper with parts of that book written in. That's the only way to stay sane and solitary. Yeah, that was my way of staying sane. Yeah.

You know what I mean? Because, you know, I didn't have anyone to tell my memories that I remember to that's in that book. I didn't have anyone to talk to while I was in there. Right. So I talked to my toilet paper in the pen. But you put it all down. You know what I mean? Yeah.

And then when I came out, I grabbed my piece of toilet paper together and I put a puzzle together and you got the greatest book ever. If you don't go by Roan Harlem, you're a damn fool. You know what I mean? Because you ain't going to know what really went on back there or really know who I am. Yeah. Because that's telling you everything from the 70s all the way up, you know, until 93 when I got locked up. That's like the Bible for the streets.

and it's been quoted as that. The Bible for the streets. The Bible for the streets. Like in the prison, we had a Bible. Right. You know what I mean? That was another novel, you know, by James Carr, you know, called Bad. That's another book.

I'm not just plugging my book. I'm giving you all facts and history. You know what I mean? And I got the idea from him. You got James Carr that wrote a book called Bad. You know what I mean? He told about what it was like him going to jail from the youth, going through the prison system in California and how.

the gangs came about with the Crips and why the Crips came about in the Mexican gangs and he broke it all down and he told all kinds of stories about different things that he went through while he was in state prison in California but the things that he told about those were the things that was going on you understand i'm saying those are the things that we're going to go through going to prison so you pick up James Carbad which is the same way when your life gets hard you pick up your Bible and you say a prayer you read the Psalms you get the blueprint for what's coming exactly and that's what James Carr book titled bad is so y'all better go get that I'm giving your good jewels you know I mean and that's what a roar in Harlem you know I mean that's how you know not to hustle

that's how to get out of the game exactly because that's everything that I did look at all this screwed up shit that I went through in my life if you read that read that read all the crap that I went through you're gonna love it because it's entertaining but if you think you want to go mimic that and then go sit in jail for 26 years by all means guthead but like I say it again just know to shut the fuck up because there's rules to this shit I sat in jail for 26 years did they try to get you to snitch yeah and I fired my lawyer for even mentioning the government to me wow they wanted you be like an informant no I wouldn't even go that for it they wanted me to they want me to plead guilty and then they wanted me to testify against my brother

Even after he got killed, they came to me and say that, oh, we'll just testify and just tell us what happened and give us that man. And I'm like, I had to fire my lawyer. I can't tell on the dead man. I can't tell on any man. Yeah, that's disrespectful. You know what I mean? To the game.

Yeah, to even bring it up. I've been in the game since in the 70s. So how could I violate that now? Yeah. For my freedom, then I'm showing that the game is not worth nothing. I'm the epitome of what the game is. If I would have died in prison, I would have died in prison. I didn't know I was coming out.

They knocked on my door and told me I was released. That's how I got out. I didn't serve my time. I earned my time with all those certifications and degrees I told you I got. I even been to college while I was in there. When they took the college program out to prison, I paid for it. Out of my own money to learn. You paid for your own college while you were in prison.

Yeah, because you got to. It ain't no more the government paid for it. They didn't took that out because they just want you to do idle dead time. Yeah, they don't want to rehabilitate you. They don't want you coming out better. They don't want you coming out. Yeah. They figure you ain't never coming out.

They taught me how to be, they don't talk me out to be a mechanic. I know how to fix hummers. I was in Victorville right before I left. They had me working in Unicorn how to fix it hummers for the military. Right. Oh, black man for me that couldn't read or right, I'm sitting here using these two hands to fix a hummer. You understand? Come on, Mark.

Yes. You know, it's a no-brainer. But that's why I say that the education is key. No one told me this. That's why I'm sitting here doing this interview so that the young people look at there's no. Education is key. So how do you get out, though?

If you're like if your family's in it, everyone's doing it, that's your only mentality of what the game is. And you're a watch out, you're a lookout. Tune in and subscribe the unique mech audio TV. That's how you get out. That's all I need to know. Bottom line.

If you watch my videos, I don't care. What's your family doing? What's your neighborhood doing? You watch my videos and me telling you the story. of the crap that I've been through and you still want to do it, that mean that you think you're a hardcore nigger like my dumbass was 30 years ago when I thought that, you know, it was worth it.

But here it's 30 years late, I'm telling you it ain't worth it. If you watch my videos and say you still want to hustle, man, got ahead. But just know when you get caught, I'm telling you also shut the fuck up. You know what I mean? You don't need to tell on nobody when you get caught. Hand of your own. Because you watch the videos and say, no, I'm still going to do it. So now that you get caught, say, okay, well, I'm going to do the time like Unique did.

Because I wanted to still sell drugs like Unique did. And then when Unique got caught, Unique shut the fuck up. So if you want to follow me in the dumb shit I did in the book, just know to follow me all the way and shut the fuck up and take it to your grave. Nothing more to be said. Nothing more to be said. And we can tap out there and do a part two. This is more than enough. Unless you got something else real quick.

But I think there's be a great ending. Unique. Thank you so much, bro. You know what I really appreciate it, man. Thank you. You got a lot of jewels. this is excellent bro i really appreciate it oh let me plug my man i got my man bouquet too i got a man from felon magazine got the big homie for felon we got we got loose sims on the cover this one of

our legends from Harlem that also turned his life around there you go aka the lynch mob with my man ferris make sure you get the book he was on vlad tv too that's my brother that's my family and you know we all try and help each other see this what it's like like i said when we's get money when my grandmother baked cakes when we was younger right my grandmother baked cakes And, you know, the extra bad as she made cupcakes. You understand what I'm saying? And different little bakery stuff. Yeah.

And she gave it out to the people. You understand what I'm saying? Because she wanted everybody to eat. This is your donuts. Giving them away. And this is my donuts to my brie, bro. You know what I mean? Love you, family.

And free jimmyfingers.com. There's, I put up my man. We got another good to own me that's still locked up that we're trying to get out. Name Leonardo, Costco. go. But you can just put in free jimmyfingers.com and sign his petition. He went in at 22. He went in at 22 and he turned 50 years old this year. He got three life sentence. He got three life sentence and 300 years. Yes. But he went in at 22. So everything he did when he was younger than 22. Now he's 50, but now he's rehabilitated. He got just as much certification

as I have. We changed our lives. around. College, everything. Yeah, don't count us out because of what we did back then, because every politician in Washington done violated one way or another the laws of America, and you all forgave them. So don't say you don't want to, you know, free Jimmy fingers. You understand what I'm saying? Because he did this when he was 18 and 19. Just a different game. It's just a different game, man. Everyone's hustling something. There you go. And just like I'm showing love to my brothers, that's what we do. And that's what y'all have to do. You know what I mean? If you make it, you help your brother make it to the next step.

You don't say, oh, I made it. I'm not going to mention my man Lou Sims. I'm not going to mention Jimmy Fingers. I'm going to mention all my brothers. You know, and when you in Harlem, my man Tone got a restaurant lounge called Legends Lounge on 146th Avenue. Good tourist spot. You know what I mean? But that's how I plug my family. I love it, bro. I got to check that out. Legends Lounge. Yeah, that's family. I'm going to go through there. You know what? Yeah, family. They got good food, good liquor, you know, that's the homie. But like I said, you know, I get a chance to eat, get on your platform, let the people know the word. I'm going to let them know. Read my main, uh, Felon magazine. Jewel got the magazine fell in with him, got a roaring Harlem right there,

and bad by James Car. And that book was written in like the 70s, the 80s. It still rings true. It still rings true. Unfortunately. In New York State prison system, they call that the Bible of the prison. When dudes come to prison, you know, back in the day, when dudes come to prison, They give them that book. Really? The new inmates? Wow. Your homies give you the book and say, go read this.

Because then you're not a move. You're not moving a nigga trying to make a sexual move on you. You're not a move when a nigga steal from you. You're not a move when a nigga violates you and invite you to his private part. You know how to do everything from reading that book because these are all the scenarios that he went through in prison from in the 60s and 70s that he put down. And here we're going in 2023. So you don't have to go through it to you know what I mean to know how to do it.

So when you come, we give you. you the book. You know what I mean? Just like, you know, I'm giving y'all the, you know, the jewels on my YouTube channel, you need make audio. You go over there, you watch that. You see how screwed up my life is. How y'all think it's, you know, the haters say it's glamorizing. It ain't glamorizing. My life was glamorous. But it wasn't worth it. I wasted it. If you could go back and redo it. Definitely, I would do, I would have went to school. But no one told me to go to school. Yeah. You got to learn for yourself. Had to learn for myself. It's a pleasure. Unique, thank you so much, man. Seriously. Thank you for the game, bro. I appreciate it.