Camp Gagnon - How THIS Former Neo Nazi Actually REDEEMED Himself

Episode Date: November 4, 2025

Dave Franke joins us in the tent today to talk about growing up with hippies, being jumped as a kid by the Crips, joining a neo-Nazi group at a young age, turning his life around and leaving that group, pursuing higher education, being ignored by the CIA, contacting Russia to fight Al-Qaeda, and other fascinating topics...WELCOME TO CAMP 🏕️New York Times Article about Dave Franke befriending members of the Nation of Islam:https://linktw.in/ZcEHEsShoutout to our sponsors:Brunt, BlueChew, Morgan & MorganGet $10 off at BRUNT with code "CAMP" at http://bruntworkwear.com/CAMP👕🧢 GET YOUR CAMP DRIP HERE: http://camp-rd.com🎟️ 🎫 Comedy Tour Tickets Here: https://markgagnonlive.com🎩👽 Daily Dose Of History Here: https://www.dailytodayinhistory.comTimestamps:0:00 Growing Up w/ Hippies + Mom Visits Charles Manson4:34 Growing Up Being Bullied11:17 Facing 15 Years In Prison21:45 Addressing The SS Tats23:27 How Dave Got Sober39:37 Reading Malcom X + Continuing Education43:28 Leaving Nazi Gang + Ignored by The CIA48:18 Contacting Russia to Fight Al Qaeda1:01:19 Dave's Message Journalist’s In Mexico#podcast #gangster #foryou #documentary #faith #faithjourney

Basically, a set of lightning bolts is that you've shed blood for the white race. But I've been going to get my tattoos lasered off for a long time. They expect you to stab or kill people. And this is just our whole mentality at the time. And it's not any tough guy thing. It's just what it was. This is Dave Frank. And his real life is something out of a movie.

I myself in 91 was looking into attempted murder charge. And what was the nature of that case? Can you share it? There was a guy walking down the street. And so I ran across the street and I dropped the dude. Come to find out the dude was a dealer. We're trying to get the guy to go to his house. The person I was with wound up slit in the guy's throat.

Jumped by gangs as a kid. He got hooked on drugs and alcohol. He got pulled into a violent neo-Nazi crew and somehow found his way out. He read the autobiography of Malcolm X. He got sober and he made it his life mission to take on bad guys. I have zero regrets. And if someday, someday someone catches me and I got to meet a gruesome, man.

I can pay that 100. times over because you're not sending me any place. I'm not already going. This episode is fascinating. He goes through the entire story from hate to redemption from the streets to the front lines. This is Dave Frank's story. He is the real life American History X. So sit back, relax and welcome the camp. Dave Frank. Mark Gannion. How are you, sir? Very well. Thank you for having me back to your show, man. Of course, brother. Thanks for coming in my house, man. Thanks for having us in your home again. I really appreciate it. Dude, your guys is, you guys, I've been watching a lot of of your material online. You guys are just fire.

Thank you, man. I hope for those of you that don't know, these guys are the man, him and his whole crew. Thank you, brother. I appreciate you saying that. We spoke a little bit about your past working as protection for a Mexican general and

basically battling the cartels in Mexico and fighting on the side of the good guys. And today, I kind of wanted to jump all the way back because your story from the very beginning is fascinating. I mean, from you know, growing up in California to joining like a neo-Nazi gang

to then denouncing the neo-Nazis and the movement to then going off to Russia to go try to fight al-Qaeda. It's a fascinating wrap-up that I wanted, I wanted basically to start from the beginning. So can you explain where were you born and what was childhood like generally? I got a

I got a rep L.A. The San Fernando Valley where I came from, in fact, it's funny that you bring that up because right now if you go on to my Facebook thing, I've got several mutual friends that are right now facing a federal RICO indictment for being white power or white supremacists in the San Fernando Valley. I'm not going to get into it and throw out a bunch of names, but where I come from in L.A. is both the pornal capital of the world or was before they moved it to Vegas. When I was born, my mom was a pot-smoking hippie that was smoking pot with Charles Manson.

They lived up on George Spahn's ranch And Santa Susanna passed before the 118 and my grandmother found out that my mom was Smoking Pot and dropping acid with Charles Manson. So she made my mom go up there with an undercover L.A. cop. And my mom got afraid and she just missed being involved in the Tate Lobionca murders in 1969 and 70. So your mom was living on Span Ranch? She was up there doing acid and smoking pot every day. Yeah, she would go up there with her.

friend. I don't know of Debbie. I'm not going to leave her last name out of it. But Debbie lived in Seamy Valley. In order to get back and forth between the San Fernando Valley and Seamy Valley, you had to go along the Spawn Ranch because San Joseana Pass, which is where the Spawn Ranch was, so it was on that road. And so they were hitchhiking. They're two hippie chicks back to Debbie's house. And lobe old, who picks a home, Charles Manson. So that's my mom. Wow. Did she talk about Charles Manson? Yeah. Charles Manson used to fill up my mom's back. He would sit there and see if she was wearing a bra and stuff like that yeah for real man did what did she say about him like what did she say she had

hippie beads my mom like uh doing scrapbooks and stuff and she had hippie beads that charles manson gave her i think that when my mom died she died the day i got home from the baring sea but when uh my mom died i think my sister got all those scrapbooks but we couldn't prove that they were charles manson but we know they were just as a family and that was my mom so she would talk about going up there my mom just loved parting and dropping ass and and just the complete hippie. I mean. Did she describe him as being violent or did she describe him as just being kind of like a music guy?

No. What my mom specifically talked about Charles Manson was, and I'm going to be very specific, word for word, he would talk about them all dropping acid or she would talk about them all dropping acid together, him filling up their backs because there's all hippie chicks up there. And it's 1969 Summer of Love. And they would paint rooms in the Spawn Ranch black. and use glue and paste a styrofoam peanut packaging up on the wall and trip out on LSD looking at it like they're all stars. That's what they were doing.

Wow. It's the 60s. I mean, it was just basically like a drug community at that point. It was a total drug community, but it was a very violent underlying. You know, it's weird because we were talking about narcosetanismo. There are violent, evil people out there. And Charles Manson's whole thing.

In fact, one of the persons that's tied into my story about robbing drug dealers and stuff was locked up with Charles Manson and in Vacaville. They were at prison hospital in California. And they were talking about Charles Manson doing things for ice cream that are less than savory, we're going to say. Well, he's not a big guy. He's like really maybe comes up to here on my chest or whatever. But fascinating.

And then what was your dad like? I've got two dads. I've talked in the other interview about one of my fathers being a post-op transsexual. And I grew up. I've got a little bit of cauliflower ear left over. If anybody ever feels a certain way about it and they want to talk about it, we can. I try to be humble, but I'm not going to put up with any crap about my dad. I tried to understand that my biological father became a post-op transsexual. And I've read books on it. It's called Sexual Reassignment Surgery. my last name sounds like a synonym for homosexual and so I grew up my whole life fighting.

I'm not the toughest guy, but I've had to fight a lot in my life because of it. And he ironically was a very masculine man. He was a tunnel rat in Vietnam. And if you know anything about that, you have to go into the tunnels in Vietnam and dispatch people in hand-to-hand comment in the dark, being as quiet as possible so you don't alert any other people. be in the rooms. So that was my biological father. And so what people think, like, I'm kind of looped or whatever, going down, confronting drug cartels or being in Russia, that's kind of where it came from.

It runs in the family. It runs in the family. And I'm going to say this. I love my father's. I have two of them. I have my biological father and I have the father that raised me. I love them both deeply. And the father that raised you, what kind of work did he do?

He was a combat Marine. They wanted to court-martial. because he liked being in Vietnam jacking stuff up. So when my biological dad, him and my mom went and go see Jimmy Hadrick's, which my cat's named for, and he was shipping out of Fort Ord in California, which no longer exists, but used to be an Army base going to Vietnam, and my brothers and sisters' dad was getting back. And he had put in three tours, and they were going to court-martial him if he didn't

leave Vietnam. So he had to come back, and he met my mom, who's this hippie chick, and my mom was already pregnant with me, but he was a very, Leland was a very, and I call him dad too, because he taught me how to shoot by the time I was four years old. He was from Nebraska and Iowa, so when they got out, we went back and grew up on a farm. My mom gave me away. He was, both of my fathers are very logical, unfeeling, and I don't know if VA, mom had something to do with that and sometimes my wife complains about how I am and I try to be a

feeling and not emotional but just try to like understand or be empathetic if you will of what other people are going through but neither one of my fathers you asked about what he was like very hard workers both of them in their own right and when he came back he spent his entire life in the military and then even when he was done with one branch he went from that to army national He went from Marines to Army National Guard to Air Force National Guard, and he retired with all kinds. In fact, I buried my father. I was one of the, in fact, I literally buried my father.

There's a picture somewhere of me shoveling the dirt on top of them because no one's going to send my father home except for me. That's just the way it is. So you lived on a farm in Iowa for a little bit. Yeah, we're 14 and we came back and we're immediately dumped into gangs in L.A. So you go back to San Fernando Valley. Yeah, correct. And you're just like a skater kid in San Fernando Valley.

Right. And pretty immediately you're getting jumped by other games. I got jumped by six grips. They beat me up. And then no bones about it, I went back and brained one. They stole my, they beat me up. Six grips beat me up, stole my skateboard, punked me, if you will. I got punked.

And I went back to school the next day with a bat and brain the dude that was responsible for it. And it's just, it's the way it is. And I'm not being like, I'm not some macho tough guy, man. I mean, one of my favorite movies is the notebook. My wife hates it. I'm very in touch with, like, feeling affectionate. My mom was a very affectionate person. My fathers were not.

I believe in being responsible for your own security and whatnot. And again, I'm not tough, but I do believe in being thorough and responsible for yourself in every way. I'm very submissive and subservient to my God. But my father's taught me that they stuck us in church from a young age, taught us to work at a young age. But going back to LA, you're forced. They had a thing called busing. And so no matter where you lived. And as it happens, I lived right next to the projects off of Van Alden and Parthena or Wilbur and Parthena in the San Fernando Valley.

And there's projects there. And so you're going to run into stuff. They had one guy get his throat slit at Laurie's liquor. There was another guy that had one of his arms cut off with a machete because there was some altercation. So it was kind of a violent place. People will get into debates or have disagreements and arguments over what part of L.A. is the most violent. I'm not going to do that. What I'm going to say is that my brother and I had repeated run-ins with both Latino gang members and black gang members.

And I'm not fault in anybody for the color they were born. I mean, when I was younger, I got into skinhead gangs like I was telling you on the other episode. and I've tried a long time. There's pictures I can show you where these used to be a lot darker, but I've been going to get my tattoos lasered off for a long time. I've got these big old SS lightning bolts on my arms.

Had one ex-girlfriend tried to get me to cover them up and then midway through, I'm like, you're not going to be able to cover it up, just stop. And how old are you got the first tattoo? My tattoos, my first tattoos I got right about when I was like 17, I think. 18. So you're basically getting beat up by these gangs and then for protection you're like,

okay, who can I roll with to not get beat up? Yeah, well, I mean, well, you immediately decide whether or not you're going to be that guy because there are people that go through their entire life being bullied or refusing to confront whatever it is that they have to confront. I'm not, I'm not going to do it. I'm just, I'm not going to do it. I'm not a tough guy. So you immediately start falling in with like-minded people. It's more the way that it is. And so you start looking, and back then there wasn't online. I mean, we're talking like 1986, 1986, 1988. So you just start looking around and reading stuff, you're going to punk rock shows,

and you run into like-minded people. And then so you start forming associations that way. And then how do you actually, like, join into the gang? Like, what happens from just kind of meeting these guys? You start reading literature and stuff like that that comes out in magazines and publications, and that's how you enter. And back then they didn't. have the internet so it's not the same way and i'm a little bit older than you are um back then

there wasn't any of the internet i mean back then we had pagers beepers were a new thing back then but uh you'd start reading literature and stuff like that you'd correspond them and then you go to local meetings and stuff like that and even though it's california everybody thinks that it's liberalville or whatever like it's a very left-leaning place there's still a lot of that present in california right so how long were you in that gang for i was in that I wouldn't call it a gang, but associating with those type of people right until before I got sober, which was probably 25, 26. And what was happening while you were involved with that? Did you have to, did you, was there any crime involved?

Oh yeah, no, definitely. I have, I have members or people that I called friends that are serving life sentences in prison to this day. Other ones that are, have been shot and killed in Peklema, robbing drug dealers. as we, I myself and 91 was looking at an attempted murder charge. And what was the nature of that case? Can you share? Robin, yeah, Robin. Well, it's all public records. So, like, I'm not dog. I'm not covering my face up. And just this morning I was watching a thing where a lot of people will talk about things and you're not really clear on what their past was or not. Anyone that's really interested can go down to anywhere in L.A. and pull up the case file if they want.

But what it was is there was a guy walking down the street and we weren't sure if he was an officer or not. And so I ran across the street and I dropped the dude. And then a lot of police didn't come in and come to find out he wasn't a cop. And this is just our whole mentality at the time. And it's not any tough guy thing. It's just it's what it was. And the same's true for Latinos and black people growing up in L.A. too. So when we found out of it, it wasn't a country.

come to find out the dude dealt was a dealer and we're like no no way so we're trying to get the guy to go to his house and long story short we go to his house and um the person i was with wound up slit in the guy's throat and uh there's a misquote like i was in the la times and the reporter misquoted me saying that i slit it's in court documents uh no one told on anybody what happened was the guy spent so long in intensive care that uh because you'll see a lot of people they're talking about anybody online is a rat or whatever now there's no rats in this case what happened was uh the guy spent when you get arrested the government has a certain amount of time to a rain you give you a pretrial and etc in a certain amount of time and a lot of times they'll try you and a lot of times I want you to wave your right to speedy trial

and we refused to and the guy had spent like a month in intensive care because as I told you he had to So he's sitting in there. And originally they had arrested us for murder because they thought that the guy was going to die. And he didn't die. And to be honest, to the gentleman that they happened to, I'm going to pick up with the point, but I want to make this clear, to the gentleman that that happened to, if there was a way that I felt like I could reach out to you and somehow try to make amends for what you suffered that night, I would do that.

And nothing I can ever do is going to make what happened that night, okay? I'm not some tough guy. I've gone to school. I got my GED while I was locked up. I scored almost 100% in all the categories with the exception of mathematics. And to this day, now I do engineering. I've tried to make a better life and try to stop from repeating the mistakes of my past and prevent that from happening to other people like you.

And I apologize with all my heart. And you don't owe me any forgiveness or anything, but I want to make that clear. I mean, that's beautiful. No, that really, in case he sees it, because he might. And he got his throat slit and he was in intensive care for a long time. And so we didn't waive our right to an arraignment or anything like that to have any of that waived. And the very last day that they had to arraign us or give us pretrial, the guy wound up getting out of the hospital. And he was in court and he was incriminating himself for selling drugs.

and the judge told everybody that the guy that I was with and myself had separate lawyers. They wanted to see all the counsel in the judges chambers. And what had happened was the guy was incriminating himself on the stand for, and he didn't have any legal representation. So the judge was putting a stop to it. So basically what happened is the prosecutor. They were offering us 15 years of life plus an extra five years on top of it. They threw away the 15 years of life and they offered us.

in my case, the guy I was with had just gotten out of state prison, so he had to go back to prison. He didn't have any deal. And because I had never been to prison, and still to this day I've never been to prison, I got six years joint suspended and had to do a year in LA County jail. And what I was convicted of was ultimately considered a California wobbler. So a wobbler is something that the prosecutor could have tried as a felony or could have tried as a misdemeanor. and many years later I wound up getting a lawyer and getting all of my cases expunged. I'm not a felon.

I've done everything in my power to try to get an education, everything in my power to try to become a good person, everything in my power. And they'll talk about it a lot like people will be in prison and they'll, they'll, and L.A. County Jail is a very, very violent place. There's a lot of stories I could talk to about that. Well, I don't know if I should say it, but when people cut in line, when you're working in the kitchen, and having access to large can openers. And it's been a long time, so I'm pretty sure that if there was a statute of limitations,

hitting people in the head that want to cut in front of you in line with the can opener because members of a certain gang that are around Echo Park that beat the hell out of me, and I was in the hole. And I remember crying to my mom in the hole. I was crying. I'm like, hey, don't come visit me because my whole fucking heads lumped up because I just got in a fight with the whole bunch of Latinos. in LA County and you're locked up and everybody there is in there for murder.

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And it's a big deal. They expect you to either stab or kill someone. And I don't want to offend anybody, but I mean, that's really what it is. They expect you to stab or kill people. And if there's people that are being on a federal indictment right now, currently, it's going through the court system, you're going to be involved. in like robbing people, robbing drug dealers, selling drugs, manufacturing drugs. And I mean, I'm not going to name any of them by name because that's just out of bounds.

But they've made movies about this people. It's the San Fernando Valley. You can look it up and how many people are attached to that. And that's where I was born. That's where my cases were tried at. And that's where I'm reping the San Fernando Valley just from the, the fact that I'm from there and involved in that type of stuff. And so everybody there is serious about it.

And plus California's got one of the most violent county jails or L.A. County, one of the most violent prison citizens there are. So as soon as you get in and getting lightning bolts, it's because you were like actively confronting some of the premier gangs in the entire country. I mean, Los Angeles is a gang capital of the world. Did you get the bolts in prison? I got them right. Yeah, I don't want to leave that part out of it for certain matters, but yeah, it had everything to do with that. How do you eventually get sober? I got sober. I know I wouldn't die if you can believe that because you'll go to meetings a lot and you'll hear people to talk about if I ever drink or use again, I know I'm going to die. And I'd been through so much stuff. I'd been, my mom sent me to live with my uncle and

Santa Ana. I was in front of Father's Bar. It's not Father's Bar anymore. But I was having this issue with some gang members down there and I jumped over a Corvette and they were shooting at me. I remember thinking that this is how I'm going to die. And they left. They were in a white Jeep Cherokee. It was right there off of, it was in Santa Ana. Didn't die. And drug use didn't die. My first, my mom kicked me out of 16 years old. I had sold $500 worth of crack cocaine to a guy Jeff Jones that had gotten run over by a bus in Hawaii. And I got its firebird. That was my first apartment because I was such bad news.

My mom told me to get out of the house and not have anything to do with my brothers and sisters because I was just bad news, man. And I'm not bragging or up playing any of this. In fact, I wish I had a different childhood and had done everything right, but I did not. So I have to do the best I had. How did I get sober? I was a I had a daughter

my first daughter and I tried to get sober for her and I just knew it wasn't going to happen and I went out and I didn't think I was an alcoholic or whatever and I'd gone out and I decided I wanted to have a drink

and the book tells you to try some controlled drinking so you know I decided I was going to try some controlled drinking and I went immediately back to my old friends immediately back to everything and getting into one of the predominant California prison gangs,

which is an upper echelon prison gang. I'm friends with a lot of them or was. And it's kind of like a farm team or at that time was a farm team for like the premier prison gang for white people in the entire United States. I'm not going to name names, but everybody knows what it is.

And these people were for real. They had killed somebody and put them in a storage facility. I mean, when you involve yourself, either with Satanism or with violence or with college sports, little league, you get into college sports, when you dip your finger into a certain color of paint, sooner or later, you're going to have that paint all over you, if you know what I mean. And that's applicable to almost anything, studying art pretty soon. You're probably going to be an accomplished artist. Right.

Stand-up comedy, a few years go by, and all of a sudden, you're killing major, major arrangements. us full of people. It's the same thing with being bad and going down the wrong path. Pretty soon you're pretty far down that path. And I was. And I involved myself again. I couldn't get sober because of my daughter because I just didn't feel like it. And wound up again.

Drug dealers are a good thing to do because there's no law enforcement involved. You don't have to worry about it. You have to worry about people that want to kill you anyway. So you're not losing anything, man. Right. And was back in that thing. And there was a love triangle with my best friend, Danny, who is now deceased. God rest your soul, Danny Dog.

And another person who is also now deceased, it's a member of one of these gangs, Danny Boy. And I'm going to name them because they're both dead. And there was a love triangle between both of them. And one of the members, my best friend was not hooked up with this gang. And the other one was. And my friend beat up the other one. and his girlfriend was going to get a gun out of the car and shoot him, and I wound up smashing her because we can't be getting shot.

So him and another person who's now sober also, who I wanted to be friends with, his name starts with a B. You know who you are. They came back to this house to kill me and Danny Boy, or Danny Dog, I mean, and we weren't there. So we went to go get guns and go back to this house and kill him. It was on Lindley.

And that's the way it was. C.C. was there, an ex-girlfriend. And I was sitting in there on a counter, and it was at 1 o'clock p.m. July 18th, 1997. I'm sitting there with a weapon on the counter, and I've got some dope. And I'm looking out this kitchen window, and here this guy comes rolling up in his nova. He had a white Nova. And I was very, I was fearful. Man, I'm going to complete 28 years.

that I haven't touched a drop of booze or anything, man. And I know so many people out there, I got the best wife. I've got you, you were just interviewing Trump and he's in my room, man. This isn't my mom's basement, man. This is my own house. And I've been giving so much. And if you're a Crip or a blood or you're a Latino gang member, you're anybody watching this?

If you're in a cartel watching this, I want you to know that a miracle can happen for you too because it happened for me. and this guy's rolling up, you know, I'm going to kill this guy, but I'm afraid. And I'm afraid because I'm in a house full of witnesses. I'm going to have to smoke this. I don't want to cuss, but I'm going to have to kill him, man, because they just came there earlier that day to go kill us.

And we went to go pick up weapons. And Danny Dogg didn't show up. He wasn't there because he had to go get a flag check. And so there was me and a member of a major Mexican organization that I'm not about to drop their name. We were there. and I'm sitting there and I'm thinking is this is how my life is really going to go I'm going to kill this guy right in front of all these people

and spend the rest of my life in San Quentin or he's going to come in and kill me and that's just the end of my pathetic existence and when people think that like I think like I'm all that because I've been chasing or working alongside a general of Mexico I've been to Russia I govuru for Ruski

if we could have spoken someone for Russian, I can speak to you. If you want to speak with me in Russian, I can speak to it. Anaismid Dawud, my name is David in Arabic. I speak all this stuff. I've studied. I've had the opportunity. All started with the GED in Max facility in Wayside and then also in Supermax and Wayside

as we were fighting an attempted murder. And so how I got sober, I'm sitting there thinking I'm going to have to kill this guy on this day at 1 o'clock and I'll never forget it. And I know that there are black and Latino people out there. to go through the same thing I had to go through. And, um, Buiat Tribe,

I'm thinking, man, I love your guys as music. I watch all your videos. It's not a racist thing. It's a thing that you fall in with drugs and stuff like that, man. You get caught in this cycle.

And so Cecilia runs out there. And she tells this guy, hey, Byndog's in there with, uh, with a gauge and he's going to kill you. And Danny Boy wasn't a punk. He's a member of like a premier prison gang.

I don't know what she told him. him. She went out there crying. He got in his car and left. And I hit out of my sister's house and in my sister's apartment. We lived right there on Orion Street off of Robosco. It's a straight-up Latino hood that you can get shot. And I'm sitting there hiding out in my sister's apartment and I'm hearing these guys come to my apartment looking for me until Monday. And that happened on a Friday. You can look it up July 18th, 1997. It was a Friday. I hit out until Monday and got sober thanks to Russ and some other people at a sobriety house. And actually I'm in the paper.

I mean a nation of Islam guy because I was still racist as hell at that time too. And by racist, I mean unapologetically, because things have changed a lot now in today's world where, you know, people got to be worried about offending people. Believe me when I tell you, we weren't offended. We weren't worried about offending people because if you're straight up, if you're into that, you're not worried about hurting someone's feeling. So it was definitely not that type of thing. It's not a bravado thing.

It's just like the mentality so people understand. I go into this rehab, and there's this guy by the name of Andre there, and I think that he might have passed. He wasn't there, and I was reading a book on Dr. Joseph Menglin, had a great big red swastika on the front of it. And he comes in the room. He asks me, you know, what are you reading, White Boy? And immediately I told him, I called me N-word.

I'm not going to say it because I don't want to get the video zapped. But I called me N-word too. his face and big bluff black dude nation of Islam and they're they don't have the best relationship with uh white people in fact i like a lot of and this is going somewhere we get in a big fight and then we get in another fight and then we get in another fight and it's in the la times did a story on us and one day he comes to my room and he's telling me you know i was thinking about you last night because neither one of us were going to capitulate to the other guy because he didn't like white people and I didn't like black people and neither one of us scared. He told me if I'd

been born and he said something to change my life because I was listening to Amazing Grace on bagpipes. He comes in and I have this thing about denying people Jesus. He sits down and listens to it because he asks if we can listen to him. I'm like, yeah, you can listen to it and then you can leave. Comes back to the next day and he told me, you know, I had a dream about you last night. I'm like, are you gay or something? Real story. This is what happened. And Andre knows it too and other people that were there. And he told me, if I've been born white, I would be just like you. I'm like, whoa, man, because you got these, like, straight up racist black nation of Islam guy.

And when he told me that, and I realized if I'd been born black, I would have been just like him. And I thought to myself, everything in your life, every failure is your fault because even you've been blaming black people and Latinos for this whole time. You were gifted athletically. You did nothing with it. You speak all these languages, which you've lived. learned all by yourself without even going to school. You did nothing with it. You got straight A's in school and when mom and dad got divorced, you took the easy way out and went to drugs. You did

nothing with it. So you can't be mad at anybody but yourself and you hate everybody because you hate yourself. And to be honest, Mark, even all these years later, I still, fuck, man, my wife got straight A's in school. She's got two master's degrees, man. Oh, fuck, I got to keep it together. Because I went to Mexico to go fucking die, man. And I don't want to cuss. But, I mean, dude, she did everything right in her fucking pull it together, man. Take your time. She did everything right.

I'm not going to punk out, man. My wife did everything fucking right in life, man. And she saved me for myself at Mexico. And so, like, when people see my videos or whatever, I'm not some, like, better get that guy, dude. Oh. And she's right there. My wife is crying off camera, man. And you know what?

I've sat there in a cartel gun fight thinking about how I'm going to kill my wife because if they come in inside and see my uniforms, they're going to rubber and torture my wife and I've been through some serious shit, dude. And saying these videos, something could happen to my wife and I, and, you know, I worry about it while I'm at work, someone's going to come home and get my wife or some shit. This is real shit. So to the other people doing podcasts, it won't say your name.

You know what? This is my life and this is what I'm about. and part of me feels happy that I can like cry and open up because I've been really hardcore in life, man, and I love my wife deeply. I care about doing what my God says deeply. And if I ever have to pay some particular price, it's okay. But I mean, when I back then, I wasn't feeling anything. And so Andre made me know that I hated myself and not all these things.

other people. So yeah, I got these big SS Lightning Bolt tattoos that I've tried to get stuff taken off. And so that day when I got you asked me how I got sober because I have a looped roundabout way of talking. So please forgive me because I go off on a trail

but I want people to understand the details because I'm a very logical concise, unfeeling person sometimes and with work that's all I get paid to do. I'm all about results. In Mexico's results here to this day I still get paid for results. And I mean, by big major international defense companies, you know, right now I'm working. I showed you my lanyard yesterday.

I'm not going to get into who it is I work for or what I do, but I'm helping keep this country safe with stuff that's out in the water right now. Which is awesome. Thank you, bro. Yeah, man. Well, because freedom's an important thing, Mark. What's up, guys? We're going to take a break really quick because buying work boots is annoying. Take it from me, standard comedian podcaster, okay?

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Check out Brunt, and now let's get back to the show. But what happens with Andre? Andre tells me that, you know, that if I was black, I would be, if I was white, I would be born just like you. And it gave me the opportunity to start changing my life. And Malcolm X, so I get in this fight with these two other nation of Islam guys, because they ask me, what do you know about Malcolm X other than he's black? I'm like, that's enough. That's the only thing I need to know about him to dislike the guy.

No lie, no cap, if that's what they're using these days. And so I get in a fight with these guys, and we can't leave this place because it's kind of like a last stop type thing before you get in big trouble. And they give me a book on Malcolm X. In fact, I got that book upstairs right now. And I read this book on Malcolm X, man. Malcolm X, oh man, if I could say it, mine word. Hey, Malcolm, I don't care who sees it.

You help save my life, man. And I'm not, I'm not Muslim, not at all, man. I'm a fervent Christian. But I believe in what they told you when you got out of prison, they gave you a 30-in-and-it-old, it told you to do for self. And, man, you do for self. And if you're watching it, if you're white and black or whatever, Latino, you do for self. and all things do for self

and when you can't do for self anymore then your higher power your God will step in but I've seen you work Mark I went to your show and I saw you grind out another show and then I saw you grind out a whole other day and stuff and man respect

because your work ethics there too and in Brooklyn the thing that's great about New York and I'm going to Andre New York and L.A. are cities that if you don't produce you will get smashed it will grind you to nothing and I've seen at Madison Square Garden an epileptic sitting there having a convulsion and someone in glasses said, I'll never forget it, I just got back to the States.

They're like, isn't it your job to go off and crawl off in a bush and die somewhere? Straight up is what they told somebody. No one gives a, nature doesn't give a damn about you. So Andre gave me the ability to recognize that everything in my life was my fault. And when I learned that I had no one to blame but myself, I got to take a long, cold, hard look at your lack of education, your lack of finishing school, your lack of anything in life. And now many years later, like I told you, 28 years later in almost three decades,

I'm still enrolled in school right now, Mark. I can pull out a thing right now and show you. I've got a Harvard thing open on that laptop over there when I'm studying right now. And I went to law school in Mexico. I want to pass a bar exam. in the United States and become a lawyer here and fight for rights that I think that are important for us. And that's what Andre gave to me. He gave me the drive to do that.

And my wife continues to give me the drive to do that. Did you stay in touch with Andre after that day? You know what I did. And that's also in the paper too, because I would go back and Andre, I don't think made it. I think that he died. I would go back and drop him off cigarettes. He'd smoked Newport's. Andre had some of his own demons that he was wrestling with

And you know not all of us make it So anyone that thinks like I feel like I'm special or whatever I'm not I don't deserve this chair any more than any one of a million other people that are out there doing the fentanyl bend over I just saw I just saw someone on the other night Was it you doing the fentanyl joke someone was doing a fentanyl joke where they delivered a baby by being a bent? Yeah, yeah So there's a, I see it every day and that could be me. Mm-hmm.

And so like my life, so I wind up getting sober and it changes my whole life. And I'm sure at that point you started to realize like exactly what you said, that a lot of the problems were internal, which gave you the autonomy to fix them. But you're in an organization and hanging out with a lot of guys that still have a lot of racist ideals. So how do you step away from them? It almost cost me my life, man. in fact just recently i went to uh forgive me but if you just give me an indiscretion i'm not choosing any of you guys on

but i'm just going to say what it is it was at the van eyes air museum right there on balboa and the guy that i'm talking about whose name starts with a bee one of your homeboys was there and i'm not being all brave or whatever if you guys feel if because we run into each other mark we do we're all sober now and if you guys feel a certain way I love that you guys are sober but uh I run into these people they're real people and they have done serious stuff and a lot of them like I told you are still have life in prison I went back to L.A. recently for a dear friend Sam's birthday at the Van Nuys Airport Museum and a lot of these people weren't okay with me leaving white supremacy and everything that we were about.

And, uh, you know, some of them have wanted to kill me, man. I mean, um, I don't feel like I have a life or a risk of my life these days. But that night, there was a few of them that gathered around that wanted to have things a certain way with me. And I left because I don't want my wife around that because it's ugly, man. Mm-hmm. And it's savage. And to be honest, that night, I probably would have gotten. work because these guys one of them was on uh one of them was on soft white underbelly and so

you know the valley produces like a premium prison car this it's famous it's a sf v prison car in california is probably the biggest prison car with uh and like i told you at the beginning of all this with a major federal rico racket right now that's going through court with the eight one eight operation that's what's called a eight one eight eight eight because of a playoff on our area code for that sector of L.A. So now at that point, you try to join the military. I went down to the military to go, try to join the military seven different times. It'd be super clear for any of you feds watching this because you are.

I called you guys and was on the phone with Langley, Virginia for a half hour with a lady gentleman, or not gentlemen, obviously, but with a lady for a half hour trying to talk you guys into. Let me go to Nice, France. You have the recording. It's in your database somewhere. I'm on the phone with Langley, Virginia, trying to join the CIA because one thing I do know how to do is shoot and fight. I'm very good at both of them. I'm a professional.

Am I Sean Ryan good? Probably not, but do I feel comfortable with like bad guys coming into my house? I was talking with one of your crew members earlier today about just kind of how I roll. I feel okay with that. But I do go down to the military and I ace their as fat because I've always been gifted at school. and that's really disgusting if you think about it because God did give me a lot and I've done nothing with it. So I go down and ace the aspect, but they tell me, hey, you can be military intelligence, you can do whatever you want.

Oh, your record? Ah, you can't come in. And they have a thing called the captain's waiver for all of our military buddies out there. They know what it is to where if you past high school haven't got a prison thing or any felonies, they will work with you on certain things, but with the gravity of what I was involved, and they didn't want anything to do with me. I've been down to the Marine Corps several different times.

I've been down to the Navy, and the Navy, shame on you guys. You guys are really kind of picky. I've been down to not the Air Force, but the Navy and the Marine Corps and the Army, I went down to all of them. And seven different times I tried to enlist, and none of them were having anything to do with me.

So, long story short, I watched the Daniel Pearl beheading video And Daniel Pearl was a Jew For those of you that don't know That just think I'm like Got an axe to grind against Jewish people I do not Daniel Pearl is an American

And they cut off his head And there's some conspiracy About whether it was an American CIA video or whatever But the bottom line is I watched that video In my office at home And decided I wasn't going to let the American government

tell me what I could or couldn't do and if anyone ever wants to like try to like make me pay for trying to be a good person and do the right thing, I'm okay with that. You go right ahead. Daniel Pearl is a journalist that gets beheaded by Al Qaeda.

Right. But that Daniel Pearl moment, I think, is important because that to me is like the moment of redemption, right? Like you have this moment where like you're a guy that I think a lot of people assume. You're like, oh, this is just some racist guy, right? He's got these bolts on his arms. He's in this neo-nod.

cult but then you get sober you denounce all those sort of racist ideals you start reading malcolm you have a complete turn of heart you know towards people of other ethnicities or other religions and you start to acknowledge that people are just people that are born in circumstance we don't have any control over what color you're born dude right and that's it and then you see this video of an american journalist who happens to be Jewish who gets beheaded and it enrages you so much that you want to now go fight al-Qaeda I've always wanted to serve this country both my dads were military. My family's been military since before this was even a country. They hung my grandmother in Boston because of her religion. So my family is my great, great, great, great grandfather

started Rhode Island. So my family's been involved in this country for a long time. I wanted to join the military. They didn't let me. And I'm not going to let someone tell me that I have to have their permission to go do the right thing. So if I have to go to another country, I went to Russia and had Muslims joking about cutting off my head in the car as we were going to Mount Chai Khan to go learn how to do paragliding and other things I was looking at fighting al-Qaeda in Russia ultimately Sam Childers there's been YouTube videos of him they wanted to sell me a $4,000 visa to Sudan to South Sudan to go rescue child soldiers and I just wanted to go over there directly from Mexico Sam Childers if

see this, I wanted to go work for you. You guys wanted to sell me a $4,000 visa straight up. There's email and internet traffic to verify that. I wound up going to Russia to go confront al-Qaeda because I'm not going to wait

for someone to tell me I need their permission to do the right thing. So how does that work? Like, how do you get to Russia and then who do you talk to to you to try to join sort of like the Russian military to go fight al-Qaeda? So I got to be careful about how I say that because we're in an era where we're potentially at a point to where

where we might be having a war with Russia shortly. And, you know, I want to be kind of careful about how I say that. But I wind up in Stirlietamak, Russian. My second daughter is born in Soda Hospital in Strelita-Mak, Bashkortistan, Russia. Her birth certificates in Russian and Bashkiddi, which is a requirement there. And I'm going to say that if you did want to do something hypothetically,

like join the Fais Bay, which is the Federal National Natsluse, which is the Federal Security or Intelligence Service, that you would have to know somebody that was either a KGB member or a member of that service and have them vouch for you to get in there. And that Russia is something that I did that I'm going to, at this point in time,

And we can maybe, I got to talk to a lawyer before I expand on that some more, Mark. But if I do divulge more on that, it's going to be with you. But that's, I'm in Russia. I'm looking to like go look for bad guys. That makes complete sense. Did you learn Russian while you're there? I learned Russian shortly before I was there. And then I learned it back in the United States.

Well, I mean, living there, obviously, it's immersive. So you come back with a commanding language or a certain command of the language. And then came back to the United States and wound up. of all things going to work and trying to go to work in Mexico for the factory doing that whole thing and then wound up doing the cartel thing for my general right and that's in another episode that we did that people can check out that you expound on a lot of the the work you did just and there's even more i mean there's five and a half years there are stuff that you could go on i mean we've really condensed a lot of this but uh and i know that you're busy you've been

working and working and working well i also i don't want to dive too deep into the the Russia stuff before you speak with the lawyer. The Russian thing I really do want to dive into it because it's incredibly interesting and there's a lot that I can't expand on on Russia. But given the political climate right now with everything that's going on in the world and with the Ukraine thing, there are people right now, American soldiers that are going over and fighting for Ukraine and no one's saying anything about it. There are people in Africa that are American military or Eric Prince. I want to just be super clear. for the audience. I have applied for triple canopy. I've applied for Blackwater. I've applied for G4. I know

all these companies off the top of my head because they all have my resume. So I'm not hiding anything. And you said French Foreign Legion as well. My grandmother made me promise. Yeah, I called the French Foreign Legion. They didn't like my grill. The guy was the biggest jerk I ever talked to in my entire life because I called him. In order to join the French Foreign Legion, you got to go to Fort De Nochant in Paris, France. And the guy was talking about you have to be strong and by strong I don't mean just being able to lift weights but you have to be physically strong as far as endurance. Swassant-Disse is how you say 72. Swassant is 60. Dees is 12. But to say 72, it's not satant, it's suissant d'is. And they teach you how to count the six digits of your

weapon by duck marching and beating you in the back of your head. But they've got to have a good grill. The reason why you've got to have a good grill is because a lot of people went to the French Foreign Legion from Africa would get their teeth fixed and then they'd bail. But my grandmother, who basically raised me, made me promise not to go to grandma, God rest of your soul. I really would have loved to do the French foreign legion thing, man. I mean, man, the Kepi Blanc. I really wanted to do it.

I've done. I've been to Russia. I've been places where they're going to cut off my head, grandma, and I've been to Mexico. But this French foreign, the French foreign thing was my rooster. That's the one I really wanted to do. But my grandmother made me swear not to do it. And I did not do it because of her. And why was she concerned with the French foreign region?

She didn't want me to give away my American citizenship. She was tripping on that. That makes sense. So when you come back from Russia, you still have this strong sense of doing the right thing. I'm going to do my own thing. The cartels gave me drugs when I was a kid, Mark. And when I went to Mexico and I'm like my ex left my daughter in Russia, Yakatharine and the one I was talking to you about or talking about

in the other video. And my grandmother was dead while I was married to her. And I didn't do the French Foreign Legion because I've got my daughter at this point. When she left my daughter in Russia, I'm just, you know, just because I could really go on tangent on this and I don't want to. I was training at Gochorchievich and North Hollywood doing judo. I'm a judoka. I love judo.

I practice it to this day. I get a call from my ex and she's telling me that she's down at Tom Bradle. International Airport and I go to pick her up and my daughter's not there man long story short I offer my ex $10,000 in cash my daughter's lived in Russia for these last two decades

my ex has lived in the United States and I never got to be my daughter's father and that kills me inside man and so when they took away my daughter and the cartels gave me drugs and I have a commanding thing of Spanish because everyone

that works for me is Spanish I got like 200 guys. I'm like, you know, fuck you, man. I'm going to go confront the cartels. I'm not a little kid to give drugs anymore. And we're just going to fucking fight until I died. You know, if you guys ever want to take me up on that and kill me, that's still very much my sentiment. I would like to live a life and peace, but. But that feeling of the cartels giving you drugs when you're a kid, really I'm going to do so. I'm going to do it. But that motivated you. A hundred percent. So I wrote a letter to the PKK, general de la Republic. And they didn't tell me, though, they

just said not right now and I took that to be like a weble um which means like you know in spanish it just means like if can let's go i'm gonna go down there and i knocked on their fucking door man and they gave me a chance and uh my general gave me everything gosh man i feel like a pussy because i'm no not at all feel it my general gave me everything man and when you get in that truck and you're gonna die and fight these guys and protect your general my general gave me the opportunity to be with my wife he gave me an opportunity to be with my wife he gave me an opportunity to live in Mexico. He gave me food. When I was going through basic training, they fed us pork that was kind of rotten. I was going to spit it out, Mark. And I couldn't spit it out because

I'm sitting there eating this rotten pork with my brothers that have been murdered, with my brothers that we spend all night away from our home. Our families have been threatened and killed. We've been imprisoned. The Americans call us degenerate corrupt trash. And we get up and we do it for $600 a month. I've got my paycheck stuff right over there. And I ate that chunk of rotten pork because there's no fucking way. I'm going to let my brother's my own platoon eat that shit alone. And, you know, man, you know what? Hey, I have zero regrets.

And if someday, someday someone catches me and I got to meet a gruesome man, when I went to Mexico, I was afraid to have my head cut off or be shot in the head. Now this day, it's not bravado, but I'm not afraid to have my head cut off. I'm not afraid to be shot in the head because if you cut off my head, it's going to last about 60 seconds. And if that's the price of admission for everything that I've got to live, I'll fucking pay that 100 fucking times over because you're not sending me any place. I'm not already going. Fucking straight up.

And you know what? I'm just going to end with that, Mark, because that's just the way it is, man. And if people see my videos, then they're going to see this. In the comment section, do my haters, You didn't give me a chance to fucking begin with And if you think I'm going to regret something When talking shit Because you didn't want to give me a chance now

Thoma I had zero regrets, okay? And it's not me being bravado I'm a very humble fucking person But in any of you, I would invite you to dinner in my house I've invited all you guys to dinner in my house And stay in my house And that's kind of the way I am in real life

But I'm not going to put up with a scintilla of you guys bad-mouthing me because I've done the best I can with what I got and that's just the way it is Mark and I hope that I've given you a good episode and I hope that I've given people that see this a better understanding about our two countries and the way things are or about people with my background and the very last thing that I want to say I want to thank my mother I want to think my father Tommy I want to thank my father Leland I want to thank my dad. God for everything that I got. Thank you, Dave.

Thank you, brother. Genuinely, I see your story as one of redemption and one of really trying to do the right thing, right? Like, you were born into a tough situation and you did the best you could. And I think, you know, I've spoken with a lot of different people from different backgrounds, you know, whether it's, you know, black gangs or Latino gangs. And the stories are always similar, right? It's people that are struggling that need to survive and they try to find situations they can

survive. And the difference with your story is that I think you came out the other side a much better person. You know, you went through some real shit. I'm not going to quit, man. No way. I don't think you know how. No, if I have a one regret, it's that I haven't done enough. In fact, I got to get a bar exam so I can help people.

I want to help people, man. Well, you've done enough for me. And I really think your message is going to hit a lot of people that even if, you know, you're on the wrong side of something early on in your life. It's not how the game starts. It's how it ends. And it seems like your life, specifically in that moment, of getting sober and realizing, you know, that you control your destiny and that you've really

taken upon yourself to be a good guy and to do the right thing and to do the hard thing, even when it's really hard to do. I find really motivational and really inspiring. So I appreciate you sharing the store with me and with the whole audience. I appreciate you coming to my house, man. You guys are welcome all of you. I mean, I don't know if I should name your entire team, but I mean, I know all of your guys' names. I was ashamed because I didn't know them the first night when I met you guys the first time. No, no, no worries. But I know them all now and you know, what you guys are all welcome to my house anytime that you want. And my wife, that goes to sentiment.

I think maybe the most beautiful part of the story that you've touched on a little. I don't want to get into it more because I obviously know it's sensitive. But the relationship with you and your wife is really beautiful. And the way that you guys have been there for each other and support each other through the really difficult moments. I want to say one last thing in the video if I can't. Please. Every journalist that works in Mexico, a car one of you estes, that are working on Mexico.

I want to say to you that there's many people that are trying to to take a gancia in other countries, including Canada, among others. To everybody that's trying to make

money off this thing, there's a bunch of Mexican journalists out there, and my wife's one of them, working for Televisa. And my brothers and I will go toe-to-to-to-to with any cartel,

to-to-to with any evil that's in the world, and we're trained to do it. We've been trained to a very high level can repel off of buildings upside down with no hands there's videos of it to the reporters that risk your life and your families every day without all the weapons that we're carrying without your platoon with you by your side you have nothing but my deep undying respect and thank you for trying to bring light to the world a great evil that exists that destroys all of our children's

lives and to you i respect you you are the unsung heroes and to the doctors and people that are making the world a better place. We're not the heroes with our weapons. You guys are. And to the educators. And I would be remiss if I did not take the time to thank all those people. Because as far as I'm concerned, that's who I respect. The people that are doing that, the reporters that confront the same evil we confront,

but their weapons of pin. So that's what's up. Well, to both of you, thank you so much. And you both have my respect. Thank you for inviting us into your home to do all these episodes. Man, for a world. I'm excited to do it again. Hey, man.

Thank you. Thank you, bro.