Camp Gagnon - REINCARNATION: Kids Who Remember Their Past Lives

Episode Date: August 20, 2024

PAST LIVES: we discuss the mysterious and unsettling world of reincarnation through the eyes of children who claim to remember their past lives. 🌌👶These are some spine-chilling stories of kids who describe haunting experiences from previous existences, leaving families and researchers baffled. Whether you're a skeptic or a believer, this episode will challenge your understanding of life, death, and everything in between. Prepare for a journey into the unknown that will leave you questio...

I was murdered with an axe before I knew you. Mommy, where are my children? I miss them so much. Mommy, I used to be a Nazi. Yeah, these are pretty strange things for a three-year-old to say, but kids have crazy fantasies. Sometimes they believe that they're astronauts or that they're dinosaurs,

but sometimes they believe that they have dark and disturbing memories of another person and another time. These children have what's known as past lives, vivid and bizarre details from another lifetime. And I'll be honest, these cases seem crazy. I'm kind of a skeptic. These stories have been investigated by professional psychologists, and to this day, they cannot be proven or debunked.

But they are certainly strange. Maybe their parents are making it up, or maybe our consciousness lives outside of our minds and our souls can actually live on. And today, we're going through the most famous cases. I have scoured the internet for the most fascinating cases of children with past life memories. And I explain all the facts and the scientific theories around them. So sit back, relax, and welcome to camp. What's up, people, and welcome back to Camp the Rituals series. I think maybe tent talks, we still don't really have a name.

This is the show where I explain the most interesting, fascinating, compelling stories to my dumbest friends. And oh boy, we really dumped out the short bus for this one, dude. We got Shubin Miles. What's up? What's up, guys? What's up? Now, one of my guests here today is a believer. The other one does not believe.

just by looking at their faces and their skin color, who do you think believes in reincarnation? That's Miles, dude. He's lived so many lives. I have lived a lot of lives, but no, I hate these kids. Yeah. I fucking hate them. If you guess Shubb, your racism has proven you correct.

He is a firm believer, you could say. I mean, how many siblings do you have are cousins that believe that they were someone else? All of them. Yeah. And all 400 of them. It's just a thing. Yeah. Has this ever happened to you?

Did you ever say anything? when you were a kid and your parents like that's your uncle yeah no there's a thing that you get like competitive about your past lives with your cousin it's like oh no i was a king oh no i was an emperor no way oh yeah oh that's hilarious strike one for being fake so this is a thing that is a very interesting phenomenon this is children with past life experience this and basically the way this manifests is you'll have like a kid typically between the ages of like two and six that will go to their mom and be like mom what happened to our old house and mom's like you've only ever lived in this house so the kid will be like mom i miss my family

I miss my other family and the mom will be like, what? And this is like a very real and well-documented phenomenon that kids will say this. What it means is up for debate. But this is a very genuine thing. And there's two researchers that have sort of like dove into this and been like sort of spearheading the research. And again, let me just say this before. I'm kind of a skeptic on this for the record. Yeah, how do you feel?

I want to know your opinion on this. So on the one hand, I'm like a Catholic kid, right? Like I don't know how reincarnation fits into my worldview. You know what I mean? If you know You guys are supposed to go to hell forever I'm like I don't know how you come back So on the one hand I'm like I don't really know how reincarnation fits

But on the other hand I'm sort of like I don't Fully believe that consciousness is exclusively endogenous to the brain I mean like I don't think consciousness is necessarily a manifestation of like a three pound muscle on your head or organ But it might be something that exists sort of like outside of us in some way I don't know I just think like the nature of consciousness is too mysterious to rule out that there is some other type of spiritual component happening on Earth. So is it possible something could come back? I mean, maybe.

You read some of these stories and you're like, it's just pretty weird. I don't know exactly what's going on. Like it could be coincidence. It could be like linguistic programming to convince these kids that they're seeing stuff. I don't know. But it does make me just kind of scratch my head and go, no, this is interesting. And I'm not doing one of the things this. There's a gentleman named Ian Stevenson.

He's a researcher from the University of Virginia. He was the founder and director of the Division of Perceptual Studies at U of V. He was a professor at the university for 50 years until his death in 2007 when he was tragically stabbed by a group of lesbians. Okay, the last part's not true. But everything else in there is true, actually. He was like, he's like a legit. No, no, you just died. He was asleep, I think.

I was going to shake that guy's hand. His next life would have been interesting if he got stabbed. Imagine that would have been pretty fucking pretty. That is another. It's always trauma. That's the weird thing with all these cases. It's like typically the people that reincarnate as or the claim to reincarnate as are people that had like significant like tragic deaths.

They're also always heroes, which is annoying as funny. Not always. Not always. Oh, this is what you think. Not always. Some of them are very mediocre. Yeah, which is the funniest part. There's a couple of these that are just bangers.

But his work was carried on. This is Dr. Stevenson, he's, like, written a bunch of books, and again, is a legit professional. I, like, try to research people debunking him. Like, I thought, like, oh, Dr. Stevenson, he has, like, a doctorate in, like, Germanic literature, and then all of a sudden is, like, a reincarnation. No, no, no, he's, like a legit psychologist and was, like, a child psychologist for years.

And then his work was carried on with this guy, Dr. Jim Tucker, another author in the space that writes about these kind of things. And, uh, they're both pretty skeptical. They go into everything basically with the assumption that, like, oh, this is probably not some type of, like, bizarre coincidence or some type of, you know, Paranormal thing. This is probably just a kid that's making up stuff and his parents want to believe something And with that kind of Sort of scrutiny most things get ruled out

But the ones that stick around are the ones that we're gonna be looking at all right? These are real These are real doctors. I mean do you have a PhD? No That's so weird I know But these guys both I had one in my past life Probably one of them and your parents wanted you to have one in this life and they're like god damn Too late Hey what's up guys. Sorry to interrupt this amazing program, but I need a little bit of help if you're watching this on YouTube you can probably see our subscriber number right down here.

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So we're just going to start some anecdotes. These are just like random stories I found on the web, specifically from a Reddit thread about, oh, do your kids say weird things? Apparently kids also, I don't have any kids, but kids apparently say weird shit all the time. Like they'll just be like, Mom, I don't want to go to bed. There's a guy in my closet. Yeah. And the parents would say, what the what?

And so kids just say weird stuff all the time, apparently. So this is just a couple little anecdotes just to sort of wet your whistle before our delicious mail of information. In 2006, my best friend Nick was killed in action in Iraq. We used to wrestle until one of us submitted these sessions would start randomly and always be initiated by, quote, showing your fangs. This involved pointing your pointer finger and middle finger into the front of your mouth while growling like this. And so they would do that and they would wrestle all the time. And then a couple weeks, Pat went by after he died. And some family from the other side of the country that we only see, you know, every

couple of years was coming to visit. And my cousin's son, who was about five, who I had never met prior to this visit, comes over. He runs over to me, gives me the same exact fangs with the same pointer finger and middle finger and said, hey, let's fight. And I looked at him, shocked and said, where did you learn how to do that? And he says, your friend says hi and then runs away. He went into the room and cried for a little bit. that's just one story. That sounds like a really elaborate prank.

Could be a great prank. Could be a hilarious way to be like, yeah, his friend just got fucking murked. Yeah, the show hates America. The math doesn't matter. What, two weeks and five years? That's what I'm saying. So this is not technically a reincarnation. This is like a, I don't know, a spirit telling them something.

I support our troops. So there's a... That one's totally real. There's a bunch of these. So I'll tell you one more. My five-year-old daughter said to me, I was in your belly twice, Mama. The first time I died before I came out, but I came back.

She lost two pregnancies. Oh, no, she lost one pregnancy eight months before getting pregnant again, and she never spoke about this with her two-year-old daughter, obviously. Like, you're not going to tell your kid about a miscarriage. And somehow she knew that it was true. Very strange. Some people think that General Patton, yes, George S. Patton, the great World War II general, that he was reincarnated.

He apparently was a firm believer in reincarnation and talked about it all the time and, like, was someone that was like, no, this shit is 100% factual. And he claims, again, there's a book on this, someone else read it. didn't, that the reason that he was so victorious in Europe is that he had a bizarre and unnatural familiarity with the battlefields. That's what he said. So look into it. I don't support our troops anymore.

I'm on board, dude. Who rock? Other people think that Trump is the new reincarnation of General Patton. Apparently they died. They were born within like a year of each other or something. I'm back off the boat. And some people think they look somewhere. I'm just saying we can look into it, okay?

But enough of these silly stories. Let's talk about the real ones, all right? This first one is about kidding, Ryan Hammonds. This one might be my favorite one, because it's genuinely insane. In my opinion, this story specifically has the most, like, research and actual, you know, like journalistic integrity to it and also has the most documented claims

of any of these other stories that I'd ever heard. Okay. And again, most of these stories that we're going to be going through specifically in the West, specifically in the modern time. I think anything too old is kind of like, well, who really knows what's going on there, you know what I mean? Makes sense. You can't trust an old text.

You know what I mean? Some guy 3,000 years ago, wrote something down. What year was this kid? This is like 2005. Okay. And when was his past life? His past life was 1920, 1930, something like that. Old Hollywood.

His name was Hollywood Hammonds. I'll tell you why. So this little kid, he's living in Oklahoma. This is 2010. He's like... Is he white? Three or four. He's a white.

Always. Living in Oklahoma. Always are white. See, I wonder about this, actually. Because most of the stories I looked up, sometimes it's white kids remembering that they were black people. Oh, that's funny. I've never seen that. That's kind of sick.

It's just sick, right? Yeah, yeah. They're just super fast. They're like, dude, I think I was black before. No, they're just like, they'll have these memories. And they're like, yeah, I had black hair. I like, I listen to Stevie Wonder. That's actually a hilarious story.

This kid was like, no, I'm a black woman that died. And they're like, how do you know? It's like, I love Stevie Wonder. I'm like, dude, I might be black. I'm having a past life trans kid. That's awesome. Bro. That's wild.

That's wild. But yeah, most of them, it's typically that they believe it's the same gender, but sometimes I think they're switched up. All right, so, Ryan. But it's never the other way, which is actually a good point. It's very rarely, from the cases that I've looked at, is very rarely like a black kid that's like... Yeah, because black parents aren't fucking goofy. White parents are goofy, I'm like this is my biggest complaint about all of these. I don't know, though. I don't know.

Like, I wonder what it is. I think it's just like, I think it's like you're, if you're Christian in America. Yeah. I think like Southern Baptist black people are just like more hardcore they're like First of all you're not you're not reincarnated that shit is not real and secondly You're not a fucking white devil get out of my kid white parents are goofballs did Tell me about these parents and how goofy the fuck they are we'll see He starts having nightmares okay this little kid he starts with again this is around like two or three

He also had a like a lymphomal disability where he couldn't speak or here basically for the first like two three years of his life He gets his adenoids removed and now he's able to speak freely. Within a couple weeks of the surgery, he's able to speak in perfect sentences. And immediately starts having nightmares and telling his mom about these nightmares where he would wake up. And he'd be like, oh, I miss my house with the big pool. I miss my children. Where are my kids? Which, again, kids fantasize and say crazy shit.

But when it's like extremely morbid or extremely specific, that's kind of when it reaches these researchers. And they're like, this is bizarre. So he's waking up. He's like, dude, I miss my family. Where are my kids? Where's my dog? Like, he's like literally mourning. His mom described as like grief.

Um, and then he also around this time gets a fascination with old Hollywood, specifically like 20s, 30s. He like sees the Hollywood sign on TV and points to him and goes, mom, let's go home. That's home. And the mom's like, you're from Oklahoma. You're never going to go to L.A. There's too many Jews. They're wearing, he's like wearing suits and old clothes all the time.

And he literally is telling his, his, his friends like yo call me Hollywood Hammonds he has friends yeah yeah yeah he would tell his wife who would be like hey call me Hollywood Hamans he would make like fake movies at school

that's the way he would play with his friends he would be like all right action you do that like he was like that was like the way they like played make blue and he was doing this for years until ultimately his mom knew that he loved you know old Hollywood and stuff and was starting to get these weird inklings

that there was something weird and he started She started kind of researching it. And one of her friends was like, oh, maybe it's a past life. And she was like, this, okay, no, it's definitely not that. She told her husband, who's like a lieutenant in Oklahoma for the police department, it was like, it's fucking not that. Yeah. But despite this, basically she was like, I just want this to stop.

I want her to stop having night terrors. And apparently one of the treatments for these kinds of things is, like, exposure to the thing that you're close to can kind of, like, you know, pacify it. So she gets this book on old Hollywood and starts showing him the book. And he points to one of the pictures and goes, that's George. And she's like, what? And he goes, that's George.

That's my friend. I know George. And she's like, oh, that's weird. And then he went flicking through the book. And then she points to another picture of this guy, George, and then points to a guy in the very, very back and goes, and that's me. And the mom's like, what? So she reaches out to a doctor and she's like, okay, this is bizarre.

She hits up Jim Tucker from the University of Virginia. A doctor with a PhD, went to a lot of school, a very smart guy, Miles. And basically was like, hey, there's this weird thing that's happening. He's claiming that he's this guy in a book. We don't know anything about him. I tried Googling the movie, but his name is not into credits. I tried Googling the scenes, but his scenes are all cut out. I watch the movie.

He's not in it. It's all very weird. The doctor basically gets a film archivist and goes through and does a ton of research on his end and gets a bunch of information to say, all right, we're going to go visit the kid, visit the family. We're going to show him some pictures. We're going to just kind of like talk to him about his experiences. And then we're going to try to validate, you know, what's real and what's not real.

So they fly down. He goes from Virginia to Oklahoma. He brings a bunch of pictures that the film archivist had pulled out and he lays out four pictures. He's able to fully identify the guy in the image that the young kid, Ryan Hammonds, was like, that's me.

And it was this actor named Marty Martin. Nice. Not his real name. Is that great name? Are you sure? Ukrainian Jew that had to change it for some reason. I don't know. But this actor, Marty Martin,

he was like a fairly popular, like, agent who was like involved in Hollywood, kind of on the production side, but was occasionally an extra. Why? Why? Why? Why?

It's such a funny day for it. I'm Martin. I'm Marty Martin. I'm going to make your dreams come through. Yeah, yeah. It's a cartoon name. Yeah, no, it is a stereotype of the 30s. There.

But he, yeah, he was like an extra and occasional movies that, like, his friends were doing. But he was not really, like, you know, a leading man, so to speak. But was very successful in his time. So basically, this researcher, Dr. Tucker, takes all these images. And he has one image. of Marty Martin and then four other images of other actors from the time and he puts them in front of

young Ryan who again at this time I think is like four or five and shows on the pictures and goes all right what what is University of Virginia a publicly funded college probably because our tax dollars are having a guy a five year old all right continue I'm sorry

wait why is it bad at these five it's just fucking crazy you've never talked to a five year old Yeah. They're insane. Yeah, they're weird. Yeah, because they're talking about their past lives. Oh, God, continue.

So he shows them four pictures. All right. One of them is Marty Martin. The other, you know, this one I think was five. The other four are just random actors from the time. He goes, do any of these pictures look familiar? And he immediately picks up the picture of Marty Martin and goes, yeah, that's me. He goes, okay.

And now he shows him eight pictures of eight different women and goes, do any of these pictures look familiar? And he picks up this picture, immediately and goes, I know her. And that was the one picture of his wife. The other seven pictures were of just random women from the time. He shows him another picture. So at this time, Ryan had been talking constantly about this guy, Senator 5. He had been talking about Senator 5.

Well, I want to go see Senator 5. He lives in New York. Can we go to New York? I want to see Senator 5. And the mom was like, what do you? No. I don't know what you're talking about. So what the archivist, the historian, and the research you kind of put together,

is they were like, there was a guy. He was a senator of New York at the. the time his name was general ives and he was like right let's take a picture of general ives and or senator ives and show him so he takes eight pictures gets a bunch of politicians at the time one of them is general is i keep saying general ives is uh senator ives and he shows him and ryan picks out senator five he was like that's him so he goes three for three on those and then they go through all of his claims he's one of these cases where his mom wrote everything down and also Dr. Tucker got involved early into the investigation, and he took a ton of notes.

So all of this is logged and charted. 94% of his claims were correct or otherwise unverifiable. Only six of them, only 6% of them were proven incorrect, and he made over 200 claims. Here, someone. Well, one of the claims was that the guy's name was Senator 5, and he was a whole letter off. You're not going to give him that? No. He knew what a senator was at the age of 5.

Did you know what a senator was at the age of 5? but I could name... No, I just... I'm not gonna get it. That's crazy. You're not gonna give him Senator 5? No. Why?

Because that's like a crazy draw... That's a crazy line that we're already crossing in this story. One letter. Imagine my kid before he ever meets anyone, just all of a sudden walks out as like, oh yeah, you're friends with the producer from Flagrant, Mike. And I'd go... Wrong. Miles?

And yeah, exactly. You're the parent that wants your kid to be right. But if he knows everything else and then goes, oh, Mike, I'd be like, the producer from Flaker, my friend, that he's never met, doesn't know anything. And then also his name is like, yeah, and I'd say you're wrong, kid. My name's Miles. Sorry. I mean, I know that's not true because I've seen people walk up to and they've been like, oh, dude, you're Kyle. And I go, yeah, I don't want to deal with this.

And you go, yeah. My name's Kyle. And then you pretend to be Kyle for eight years. How many kids do you know how to pronounce names properly for the first four or five years? Five-year-olds know every. They don't know how to pronounce them. They know every dinosaur ever, and they can point them out in a book and tell you that's... They're like little geniuses.

They just can take in all this crazy... Continue, sorry. Here's some of the claims. So he says he lived in Hollywood. He said he lived somewhere. His street had the word rock in it. Nice. He ultimately lived on Roxbury Street.

All right. He said that he was wealthy. We're wrong again. Rock, Roxbury. It has rock in it. It's R-O-C-K and R-O-X. We're still doing this thing. We're like...

The sound, it's the sound. The kid can throw a thousand darts at a board and sometimes maybe hit the board. Continue. He said he's very rich. His house was big. He said that there were three boys. He missed them very much. He had a daughter.

He brought coloring books home for his children. He had a large swimming pool. His mother had curly brown hair. He had a younger sister. He hated cats. He knew Senator Ives. He knew that Senator Ives lived in New York. He had a green car.

He hated... He hated FDR. He didn't let anyone else drive his car. He had many wives. his bosom That's a man. That's a man. This guy Marty Martin, his daughter confirmed. It was like, yeah, he was like a Flander and had

many girlfriends and wives. In the fucking 30s in L.A.? God forbid. Weird, right? A little weird, miles. A pool in L.A. I can't fucking believe it. In Hollywood. He tap dance on stage. The stage was in New York City. All of this was true. Again, Marty Martin was a tap dancer early in his career. He loved Chinese food.

He ate at Chinatown frequently. Marty Martin's favorite restaurant was in Chinatown in Los Angeles. Surprise, surprise. A Jewish guy that likes Chinese food. Fuck me. How does this kid know that there's a Jewish guy that likes Chinese food? How was he aware of Jewish stereotypes at five years old? Explain that.

He had an African-American maid. We're going to glance over that. In the 30s. No. He said this is paid. This is a paid occupation. Yeah, I didn't say sleep. I'm just saying that's good.

Don't slander Marty Martin. He said that he was a smoker. he would often walk around like a pipe. In the 30? I'm just saying. You're losing me. Gone. Sorry.

I'm being so did. Continue. Okay. He died. So this is interesting. So a lot of his claims were, some of them were initially wrong and then proven to be right later. And this is where it gets a little weird.

So he said, oh, I had a younger sister. And then they went through the record and they were like, nah, technically Marty Martin didn't have a younger sister. So that's incorrect. And then they went through. another record through the same hospital and found he did in fact have a younger sister that his family didn't know about. So they talked to his daughter and they're like, did you know he had a younger sister? Look at this hospital record.

The mom had kids. And the sister was like, I had no idea. Or the daughter was like, oh, I had no idea. So even the own family wasn't aware of this and then he happened to know it. Another one, he said that he died when he was 61. And the family was like, no, he died when he was 59. but then they looked at the death certificate. They looked at marriage records.

They looked at passenger records from aircraft, and they verified that he actually did die when he was 61. So he knew something that the family didn't know. Pretty significant. Again, none of this information is available on the internet at the time. His IMDB was like one of the few things that was there, and even that was incorrect when it was later fixed after Ryan's revelation. But he did have some incorrect statements.

He said that his father died when he was a child, and Marty's father died six years before Marty Martin. So now when he was a kid. His wife enjoyed putting their daughter's hair in pigtails or in a ponytail. If he did, it must have been she was very young because the daughter had no recollection of this. He gave his daughter a watchdog she didn't like. Marty did buy his daughter a dog, which she did not like, but it was a Yorkshire Terrier, which is not really a washdog. He died when his heart exploded.

That's what he said. Marty's death was unwitnessed but as the cause of his death was it was a brain hemorrhage so nothing having to do with any cardiac issues and he also said that my body got burned up when he died. Marty's death or tribut a state that he was buried

not cremated. Fraud. This sounds all metaphorical, heart exploding, maybe he was heartbroken. See? I know talking. His body was on fire. Maybe he had fevers when he was going through his hemorrhage or whatever.

There you go. Miles? Fucking hater. I'm a eater professionally. So what's interesting is not only did he talk about his past life, but he also talked about death in general. He said that in death there was an awesome light that we should all go towards, but he came back in a new body to live again. When he died, he went to a waiting place and didn't see heaven or hell. On another occasion, Ryan told his mom that he had seen her from heaven and that he had known her from an earlier life.

He said that he had chosen her to be his mother so that she could take care of him or that he could take care of her in this life. What a loony bin. Ryan said that he recalled being in the womb and asked why she wanted him to be a girl. And the mom said, how did you know that I wanted you to be a girl? And he said, well, I remember seeing you cry for a long time when you found out that I was going to be a boy. And the mom eventually apologized and said, I'm so sorry. That is true. I did cry when I found out of you're going to be a boy because I really wanted to have her.

You can pick any mom in the world. You're the one lucky kid who's going to get to pick. I'll take the looney bin in Oklahoma. How about we all pick? What about that? You just don't remember. No, he picked the one that would believe him. That's true.

This is my favorite ripple of this whole story. He followed politics. So this is, again, Ryan. The five-year-old? No, no, as he grew up, as he grew up. So now he's like, at this point, he's probably like in his 20s. I think he went to college. And again, he's kind of skeptical, which is interesting.

If you look at interviews with him, he's sort of like, this might all be a coincidence. I don't know what's happening. And he even says, which is interesting to Miles's point. He says, at this point, I don't really remember anything. I can go through the pictures and be like, oh, I vaguely remember. this or going to this place, et cetera. But this is not really my story. This is my mom's story.

His words. Great kid. I'm on this kid's team again. We're back, Ryan. He follows politics now as like an adult. He identifies as Republican, same as Marty Martin. Not only that, he's become interested in Judaism,

creating tension with his Christian family. I mean, that's awesome. Which is hilarious. That's awesome. His mom was like, you're God's gift. You can remember things you smet in Jesus. this, you went, you chose me, and then he's like, I'm Jewish mom. Yeah.

That's awesome. Yeah. Baruchashem, mom, he's doing to fill in every day. He's just super whining. Change me. I need you to change me, mother. I'm not going to put up with this. I'm stinky.

I hate to break it to him. He's Hindu. He might be actually Hindu this whole time. You can have him. I'll take him. I don't know. It's just interesting. It's just an interesting thing.

You're like, wow, there's a lot of verified things. This doctor wrote it all down. They cross-checked it. Now, people have pointed out, they're like, oh, you didn't do a double blind. they call it the doctor, Dr. Tucker. They say, you might have been unconsciously, you know, sort of priming the kid to pick certain things by showing him pictures. And because it's not double-blind, the doctor knows what the right answer is. And he's like, oh, what do you think about this one?

I'm financially encouraged for this. Like, this guy gets a call every three years. And he's probably tenured in the University of Virginia. It's like, do we want a fire? He's a quack. Apparently people have, like, gone at his work, and it hasn't really held up. Again, I'm not a scientist. I don't understand academic literature, but, like, I was looking for people to say, like, oh, this guy is wrong.

But even like... You don't have to look far. I'm across the table. But even, like, psychologists from Tufts that, like, read his research. They're like, look, I don't really believe in this. It's the difficulty here is that it's not provable or uncrow. Yeah, I... But he's, like, his research methods are completely sound.

I'm being rude. He's probably very good at research, and he's not a quack, but... Also, it's an insane thing that he is a tenured professor with like... I mean, this could happen to anyone, though. It just feeds into like our natural storytelling instincts. Miles would be the guy in the 1800s is like, oh, there's little men that go into our body and they make us sick. Like, it's the air, dummy. It is.

It's the air is bad. And you breathe in the bad air. And all of a sudden you're like, oh, I don't feel the earth is around. That's what it is. Miles, that guy. 100%. No question. Tell me about the next one.

Let me tell you about James Linger. I love this one. Go for it. I was waiting for this kid. Let's go. So he's born in 1998 in Louisiana. Just to a regular white Louisiana family. White family every time.

Goofy parents. Well, okay, we're going to just give it time. All right, black people didn't do gay jokes for years. And now they're on it. So it's like they're just getting there. So far it seems like they come out of places that there is much to do. Yeah. We'll see.

We're going to get there. Some of these people are from India. It's pretty busy. I'm just saying there's... Tell me about this fucking kid. So he would wake up with night terrors when he was about like two, two and a half years old

and just like screaming in bed. And the mom would run in and be like, what's wrong? And he's just like inconsolable. And then after a couple hours, he falls back asleep. And this would go on for months and months and months until one of the times the mom runs in the room

and he's saying basically like in his sleep in a murmur as he's writhing in bed. Planes on fire. plane crash, little man can't get out. That's what he says. And the mom is like, hey, James, what are you talking about? What is, what's the, who's the little man? And he goes, I'm the little man.

And he goes, okay. And what's the little man's name? And he goes, you're James. And he's like, yeah, I know, I'm the little man. And he's like, mom's like, well, okay. You are my little man. Yeah, literally. And then the next day, the mom's like, so tell me about this little man.

Does a little man have friends? And James is like, absolutely his friends. His best friend is Jack, Jack Larson. And the mom's like, it's a pretty specific name, but maybe he saw it in like a movie or something. He begins making bizarre drawings. The drawings are like pretty morbid. So as you can see here,

you got like planes getting shot down, bullet holes everywhere. And these are basically everything he's drawing for like two years. And his mom is like, why don't you draw some flowers? He's like, all right, I'll draw some flowers. And so he draws flowers underneath a battlefield. And the mom's like, all right, well, I guess that's secondly, right? That's awesome.

What's interesting is he starts signing everything James 3. James 3, James 3. And the mom's like, oh, you're, you know, you're three years old. So you're probably signing it James, the three-year-old. And he goes, no, I'm the third James. And mom was like, what? And he's like, yeah, I'm the third James. So even when James turned 4, he kept signing at James 3.

And when he turned 5, he kept signing all his pictures of James 3. And mom was like, all right, that's pretty weird. he would play with toy planes all the time and would crash them into the coffee tables they're just like what year was the kid born 98 hmm

hmm what he's very close to another that's a good point that's very good that's a fire point but uh he's three when that happens

yeah there you go that's three that's one that's my favorite Bible verse he might be involved we need to check his fucking passport um But they said, okay, what happened to you?

And again, his dad is kind of not really believe in him. And he says, oh, I got shot down. He says, who shot you down? He said, the people with the big red son. And he was like, what? It's the best way of describing that. It's a polite way of doing it. And so the dad says,

the dad says, where did your plane come from? He said, oh, my plane took off from a boat. And he said, what's the boat called? And he says, Natoma. And the dad was like, oh, that sounds pretty Japanese. And the kid's like, it's not fucking Japanese. It's American. traitor and the dad's like whoa all right my bad I just trying to yes and you right here

and the kid was like no it's American it's called Natoma so now the dad has a couple things he gets a book on Iwo Jima uh the famous obviously battle in world war two shows his kid the book and the kid immediately points to a map on one of the pages he goes that's where I died and the dad's like okay so now the dad has a couple pieces of information battle of iwojima natoma and this guy Jack Larson the friend friend of what whose son is claiming to be. Starts Googling. He goes on a military form and starts asking about the Natoma.

He's like, hey, does anyone know about this boat called the Natoma? Has anyone ever heard of this? He basically gets a historian from that specific war or that specific battle to figure out what the Natoma was. Again, it's like a very obscure thing. There's all these other hits. The Natoma, there's like a town. He went to the 300th hit on Google when he searched Google with Natoma.

Yeah, I mean, that's what he said. I think that's probably an exaggeration. Oh, he's a lot to exactly. Adurate there? Of course. I mean when you say oh yeah I got to the fourth hundred search or maybe I just want to make clear that he is allowed to exaggerate No, maybe it was okay, maybe it was but furthermore it was extremely hard to find so it's not like the kid just knew it Okay, but he said Natoma and it turns out that is an actual boat that was involved in Iwojima Yep, so he looks and he's like wait so the boat was at Iwojima and they go yep so then he asked the historian again Not publicly available record says who was on the boat was there anyone named Jack Lars and he goes that was the first

Armourman's officer on the Natoma. Wow. And he goes, that's, all right, that's pretty weird. So at this point, he reaches out to Dr. Tucker and gets him involved. And again, all of this is written down through his grubby little hands together. And he puts down another one. Some information. He ends up going to a Natoma reunion.

Yep. And he goes through a reunion and sees a bunch of the guys and just, like, vibe him with all these, like, old soldiers. And they, he was, the dad was asking, like, oh, did anyone die at Iwojima? And a bunch of them were like, no, no. Yes, someone did die. And he said, oh, who died? And he was like, only one person died. He was a pilot.

And his name was James M. Houston Jr. Yeah. And he goes, James Jr. That would make my son. The third, James. Thank you, Shubb. Pretty strange. They ended up going to Japan.

They went to where the plane was shot down. The little kid. No, no, no. You made that such a. Wait, what? You just said they went to Japan. Like, this is now the next logical step in the story. These lunatic parents got so involved in their kids' fake story.

They're from fucking Louisiana. They flew to Japan. Yeah. Kids do that for parents do that for kids that want to go to Disney World. Like, oh, I love goofy. Can we go to Orlando? Two states away, they flew across the fuck world. But you've got to imagine, though, if your kid, even if you don't believe it.

Let's say, hey. He also had three buddies. Here, he had three soldiers he'd play with. and then he would call the three kids, the three soldiers, the first names of other people that were in the squadron. So now they're all in this thing. So much so they fly in Japan. But this is the thing, though.

Imagine your kid has this. And he, it's all fake, obviously. You know what I mean? And he happens to know. No, it is. He happens to know the name of the first armament officer on this very obscure ship in this battle where only one person died and happens to also know his name.

Let's just say it's a coincidence. Yeah. And then it's pretty weird. and then your kid keeps on having night tears and he's inconsolable and he's crying all the time and he's obsessed with this thing and not really paying attention to school and a researcher goes,

hey, I don't know why, but when you sort of like bring them to the place or have them have some type of closure with the event that they're obsessed with, they end up releasing it. It's an imaginary friend and they say you have to let the imaginary friend grow and like, yeah.

And so the parents go, oh yeah, let's go to Japan. Yeah. We can save up some money and then we can cure our kid of whatever this, issue is. But also they leaned in heavy on it. What is leaning in?

They like, I just feel that they were, I just feel the parents want their kids to be exceptional. And then the kid has some like things and they like sort of lean in and they're like, whoa, this kid could be right. Like, just go, my kids talk and babble talk. And move on. Go, hey, buddy, it's awesome that you had that awesome life. I love that you're into warships and planes. Like every other little boy. You want to be a soldier. That's awesome. And just physicists.

And it'll fade right away. Unless it doesn't. Yeah, he just keeps having night terrors. And then what do you do? When was he having night terrors? From, it says the ages of like two till he was like five. It stopped when he went to Japan, right? Exactly the same trip.

Yeah, because he said goodbye to the other James. So it was a successful treatment. Yeah, it's a successful treatment, of course. But I do think that the parents leaned in on this too much to make the treatment have to be, will fly to Japan. is what I'm trying to get at. Worst they have flown just Seattle and been like, there's some Asians here.

They should have just at the beginning. We're like, dude, it's awesome that you had this awesome life. But like, you have a great one ahead of you. Do you like Pokemon? And he goes, I really like Pokemon. I'm Ash Ketchum. And then you'd move on. Until they go, I miss my kids.

Where's my sister? They're fucking two. They're having night terrors and they're terrible too. It's like, all right. I'm just saying it's a weird one. It's a weird one. And again, this one has been thoroughly sort of, cross-examined.

So there's a bunch of researchers, like, again, other doctors that have gone through this have been like, this is fake, this is fake, this is fake. Like, he was impressed by this. This thing was, you know, put upon him. He was three years old, and so he signed at James 3, and then the parents pointed out, then he kept on doing it. That's where I'm getting it.

Yeah, the other smart guy. You're like, yeah, that guy. Yeah, tag me on his shit. Yeah. So, again, it's... That's what I'm saying with the parents... Up for debate. They hear James 3, and then they're like,

oh, yeah, James 3, James Jr. like it sort of rolls all together. They built the sandcastle. I'm not saying that's not true. Yeah. But it is bizarre to me that he goes, I'm the third James. And then months later,

they found out that the guy he's talking about was also named James. And he was a James Jr. I'm like, Jack Larson thing. He knew the name. The Nautoma. What was the ship called?

The Natoma. Yeah, the Natoma. That's pretty crazy. That's not just the string of syllables that you put together? Yeah, continue. So it's an exact name. And then they actually have the printed out documents that the dad printed with the timestamps, which again,

it's possible the parents fake the timestamps. I think the parents are just invested. But they're printing out timestamps from a book or from a ship on the early internet and then sending that into the research with the exact timestamps. And again, one of the guys that's debunking it points out like, oh, well, time had passed in between when they printed it and when they sent it out. So it's possible it could have been fabricated. Da-da-da-da.

Again, I don't see a financial motive. No, I don't think there's any financial motive. Did they write a book? No, I don't have... Some of these people have tried to make movies and books. I don't have any financial motive to this. I think it's a child exceptionalism thing. And that's where I'm like...

That's why I think white parents are a little goofy sometimes. They also put their like short kid in AAU basketball. It's a overcommitment to the child. Now, what makes some of these interesting... I'm a hater, I know. But some of these occur in other cultures where parents are not. as doting with their children. I believe them way more.

Again, there's like stories in Scotland. Take me there. I'll believe them. Come in on that. All right. So again, this one, this one's interesting. This happens in England, but to this guy, Carl Eden Carr in the 70s. And this is also a hilarious one. So he's born.

He's a very difficult kid. He's the youngest of three. And as soon as he starts talking, he talks about how he crashed and led to death. How he died, how he crashed, how he bled. And he would just say this over and over and over. He said that he lost his leg when he died the first time. And the mom was like, what are you talking about?

Again, this is a British mom that's like, who the heck do you think you are? Why are you talking all this shit all the time? Survive the war. Yeah, literally. So the parents were born roughly after the war, but like, we're still obviously, you know, dealing with the post-England restruction. And the parents are like, what are you talking about? He claims, so he's going through his dad showing him books of like old.

planes and I was like oh do you like me these planes and he goes that's the plane I flew and it's called a master Schmidt and that I was like that's a German aircraft he goes that's the one I flew crazy right he goes that's the one I flew yeah this guy's got balls and he was like wait so you got killed flying this aircraft he's like this is not a fighter plane he and the dad and the kid was like oh no the dad goes this is a fighter plane so like you can't be flying a bomber and a fighter plane like what's going on and then the dad checks the book and goes oh no technically this book was a bomber. The kid was right and the dad was wrong.

So again, they're kind of like, oh, this is weird. He has a very detailed understanding of how cockpits work. So again, he's showing this deep expression from airplanes. And so his parents were like, all right, let's go to an aircraft museum. He sits in the aircraft of one of these worlds or two planes and he goes, this is all wrong. And the dad's like, all right, buddy, this is getting a little much. Like you can't be rude to the people that curate this aircraft museum. And he goes, no, this is all wrong.

And then the dad goes and gets one of the people and it's like, hey, what's up with this plane? Could you imagine pulling a guy over? Like, can you talk about the aircraft? Like five girls says you're wrong. Imagine how crazy that is. It's insane. And was it, were they wrong? He was exactly right.

So the aircraft museum curator goes, yeah, this one was modernized. And so a lot of the actual gauges and switches internally are all different. And we're working right now to actually put it back to its original, you know, condition and how it was during the whole. Your son to help us. Yeah. So this now becomes like a thing and it's very strange. And again, the family, they claim never watched war footage. They never really were interested in World War II.

They said it was kind of traumatic for the parents. So like they never had like a deep interest in it. But when they did watch a World War II movie, Carl pointed out the errors, such as the badge being on the wrong side of the uniform of the office. They go through the book and they check and they go, oh, yeah, it was actually on the wrong side. That's pretty weird. So they get a researcher to come over and be like, hey, can you just like take it, you know, an actual like journal of what's going on? And the kid, Carl, says, I flew at low altitude. I lost consciousness.

I crashed into a building. I lost my leg and I bled to death. I didn't die from the impact. There was glass everywhere and I died from the bleeding. The local paper eventually gets a hold of the story and the kid gets bullied, like relentlessly. at this point he's like seven or eight and is just getting ridiculed at school they call him little Hitler

wrong of them I can't tell I mean it is hilarious that's Miles in his past life he's just bullying the kids this is crazy I would love if one of my friends came out to me and was like dude actually I listen to that pod and I had past life regression I wouldn't bully the fuck out of him

I used to be Hitler it is crazy his kid's German in his past life and he's English and his reliable Life life. Awesome. Crazy. Who's crazy as he's admitting it?

Yeah. To his post-war parents. Yeah. I also like the last kid was like, yeah, got killed by the people with the rising sun. Like a guy, he was a 40s guy, correct?

Like a pilot in the 40s. Like he wouldn't have just used a slur immediately. Who killed you? The sun people. The sun people is so much funny. People were the sun's too bright. They got a squint. It is crazy.

This kid came back as a Nazi. Yeah, that's awesome. Which is hilarious. It's a doctor. I think my kid's good. Goose stepping. His first steps were goose. Like, what do we do? This is pretty weird, right? His first words, you know? If you're talking to a locator's like, I just, I hated the Jews in my early life. It's weird. Like, I would gas the Jews all the time. And the parents are like, that's pretty strange. I wouldn't call the research.

Do you got to kill your kid? Oh, I think of my kid. I send them back. That's the thing. Everyone's about killing baby Hitler. What about reincarnated Hitler? Yeah. Yeah. You might have to kill that kid. too. Now he's back to a tongue. He's back to a tongue. Let's go. He's trying to get to Nirvana. Yeah, exactly. It's true. Respect. How many cycles? Wait, did they take this kid to Germany? No, they didn't. See, that's where they messed up.

They didn't have to take him to Germany. This story gets wilder, okay? Shackled him in. He said, yeah. Yeah, they put him on trial in Nuremberg. No, he went to Argentina and then lived in great life. So this becomes like a new story in the town.

And he's like ridiculed relentlessly. And he stops talking about it. Virtually from that day, he's just like represses it, never talks about it again. But he does tell his brother he's like, I keep on waking up and I'm afraid I'm going to bleed to death again. He's like, I'm going to bleed to death. I'm so afraid. Like, I'm just like so on my head about it. And time goes on.

He's eventually stabbed to death by a coworker at the age of 22 and dies. This is the same age as the pilot that he claimed to be. Back to back. Weird coincidence. So years after he... Why does his co-worker kill him? I don't know. Because he was a fucking lunatic.

No, because he was a Nazi. That's why. It was like, dude, you're... Actually, he's a good guy. We got to look into that. Another reincarnated RAF pilot. Yeah, right? Hero.

So, like, a year after he dies, a year after he gets stabbed to death at the age of 22. Yes. Very tragic and sad. Shout out to him. They find a plane, an old World War II Nazi aircraft from the journey.

Air Force, they find it near his town in England. It had never been discovered before. Again, according to the record that the researcher took when he was giving his statement, when he was a kid, he said that he died in 1942. This plane that they were investigating came down in 1942. He always said that he had a brother named Peter, and they looked at the remains of three of the pilots that were in the aircraft. And again, who knows?

the one had a ring with a P on it. They tried to get in touch with this guy's family. They ended up discovering his name was Heinrich Rikna. And they tried to reach out to his family and they were like, hey, can you give us any more information? They couldn't get in touch with any of his family. I guess they were a little ashamed about that whole Nazi thing. But they never got any confirmation. So they found this guy died at the same time at the exact same age.

Heinrich Rikner was 22 when he died and his cause of death was flying into a building. Again, it's unverifiable to say what killed him if it was. him bleeding out or if it was the impact of the crash fuel or the jet fuel that melted his steel bones? No one knows. But when he... Did he have a brother named Peter? Heinrich Rikner.

They didn't confirm it. Oh, so we just had... No, I'm sorry. Heinrichner did have a brother name. No, he had the ring with a P on it. That's... All right. Yeah, but they never got in touch with the family. You never know.

They couldn't find the documents. All right, fine. A P ring is what we're attaching that to. I'm just saying. Okay. Coincidence? Um... So then later on, Heinrich Rikner was eventually buried.

His remains were buried. And Carl's parents went to the funeral. They were one of the few people at the funeral for this dead Nazi. They were like, it felt like our kid was buried again. You should make that movie, right? Oh, I want to make a movie where people to actually have past lives in this movie. It's a fantasy. You couldn't believe it.

But it's modern day set and they have past lives. And other people also have past lives. And they can recognize that the other person is going to pass lives. life. So one dude is a Nazi and the other dude's a former RIF pilot. And they fall in love. And they see each other and they just want to beef all the time. That's kind of far. I fucking know dude. And they're like kids baseball coaches? Yeah. It's like man this whole baseball beef is really

seems ethnic. This is the comedy version of past lives the movie. It's a movie. Yeah, the past lives is that movie about the two Korean people. They discuss that like Korean concept of Injun where it's like oh if you have like interactions in past lives and the more interactions you have, the more drawn you are to the next person and the next life. Wow. Okay, fuck my movie, I do.

It's actually really beautiful. It is beautiful, sure. It's not my movie. No, but it is beautiful. You're completely bright. What's up, guys? We're going to take a break really quick because I need to tell you about

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It just keeps you going through the day, all natural energy. Let's get back to the show. All right, this one's just a little pallet cleanser because this is the, this one might be the funniest one. I couldn't really find a ton of information on it. This is a, I believe, a Muslim kid living in northern Israel. this is recent this is like as of a couple years ago and his arabic is extremely slow he's again like two or three can't speak arabic at all uh or not very well i can't either so i don't blame him but happens to speak excellent english oh hell yeah no one in the family speaks english

and they don't have english television in the home okay and so they're like why do you know so many words in english and they can't figure it out no one in the community really speaks English. No one certainly has a British accent. So they yeah, they're just perplexed. There's no real answer to this as of now. Like it's possible it's like again another elaborate hoax. So this is a current current.

There's video? Yeah, yeah. This one is pretty recent. So it's like when you have a big tummy? No, a smooth tummy. So that's one of the excerpts I could find. There's a couple other little like little bonus. It's like those guys that wake up with the new accent after brain

trauma. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Which that's fun Did this kid have brain trauma? I don't know if he did I have to double check A Muslim kid in northern Israel I can't imagine how he would get brain trauma I don't know

Maybe he slipped On a banana peel or something I don't know I don't know what happened I don't know what could have happened The funniest part of this Is that apparently they had a linguist Go and meet with him

And spoke with him And listen to his accent And they said oh this is Clearly of a fluent South Londoner Specifically of Pakistani Pakistani descent I was like, why you've got to point that out? Why couldn't he just be from London?

And they're like, no, this is obviously. It's obviously a brown dude from South London that owns a store. Yeah, exactly. No question. A lot of chicken shop. Yeah, he's got a chicken shop. And he's been robbed. Like, yeah, this is who he is.

But I was just like, that's crazy that they pointed that out. That's really fun. What did he do in that life to end up in this place for the next life? Yeah, that's what I'm saying, dude. He probably was overcharging. Sigs or something. They're like, ah, you got to go to Israel. Enjoy.

This one's interesting. Three-year-old boy in Syria. And again, I can't find exact confirmation on this. So let me parse this one from the other ones with Dr. Stevenson and Dr. Tucker's work to say that those are, I think, are much more credible. This is kind of, I found articles and you can read articles about it, but it's a little harder to get, like, scientific confirmation or any type of, you know, scrupulous journalism.

I believe it's so much more. A three-year-old boy in Syria began telling his parents that he had been murdered with an axe in his past life. He even had a birthmark on his head where he claims that the axe struck him.

He led his family to the village that he claimed that he had lived in. And the family was very shocked that he identified a village was like this is where it is. He pointed out where his body was buried. They exhumed the body and they found a body of a man

who was killed with head trauma. And he even successfully identified the killer with such a convincing theory of evidence, finding where the body was found. You say that put the kid in jail. And they ended up murdering the guy that killed. No, but they killer confessed. Whoa. Apparently he pointed out the killer and the guy was like, yeah, it was me. And then they ended up having a trial in Syria.

He was found guilty by plea of guilt. That's a fun trial where the lead witness is a three-year-old. I believe this one way more I just want to be honest with you because these parents have other shit to deal with Yeah What do you think Syria is Wait when was it?

Yeah I mean this one The articles were written like 10 15 years ago Yeah they had some shit They had some shit And 15 years ago But not everyone all the time It's not like everyone's just like

Strapping on guns to their head And shooting people I don't think they had it that bad But I'm saying They had a little bit more to worry about than the parents in Louisiana. Louisiana's a war zone sometimes. So I've heard.

Yeah. Let me tell you about the woman named Shanti Devi. I believe this one. Yeah, believe this one. You've heard this? No. This one is wild. This one...

Vives. So here's young Shanti. Nice. She's an Indian woman born in 1902. And this is one of the early cases that like made national news. This is like one of the first ones where people were like, oh, what the hell is going on here? This is crazy.

so much so that it actually got all the way up to Mahatma Gandhi ever heard of him nice and a commission that's your yeah okay that's a guy and a commission was set up by him to investigate the case and you'll never you'll never believe what the commission discovered hmm they said it was reincarnation spoiler Mahatma Gandhi's Indian commission was like no it seems like

this really seems like it's gotta happen but let's look at end of it. She was born in Delhi, India, and as a young girl in 1926, she began to proclaim that she remembered details of a past life, which again, in Hindu culture is not crazy, but hers were super specific. She was about four years old. She told her parents that her real home was in Matura. Have you heard of that? Yep. Is that a UP? Yeah. Nice. It's one place, old ancient, ancient place. It's an ancient place. Yeah, yeah. Full of ancient mysteries. Hmm. Discouraged by her parents, she fled from home by the age of six.

Her parents kind of like tried to repress this. She left home at age of six trying to reach Mathura. Back home, she unequivably stated in school that she was married and had died 10 days after giving birth to a child. Interviewed by her teacher and headmaster, she used words from a Mathura dialect and divulged the name of her merchant husband, Kadarnath Chube. Chubei, I think. How's this spelled? Chubei. Yeah.

Come on, Mark. No, from my region of Florida, we described. I have it, Shib. This is a dialectical thing. The headmaster managed to locate a merchant by the name of Kedarnath in Matura, who had lost his wife, Ludgy Devi, nine years earlier, 10 days after giving birth to a son. As our coincidence.

Kadarnat traveled to Delhi, pretending to be his brother, and was like, okay, I'm going to go up, I'm going to meet this girl, but I'm going to tell her that, like, oh, Kadarnath's brother's coming. Again, she had never seen this guy, had only said his name. Immediately when Kadaarna. When Kadarath walks in, Shanti Devi recognizes him, immediately starts kissing his feet and knows several details of Kadarnas' life with his wife. And immediately, Kadarnath is convinced that this is indeed the reincarnation of Ludgi Devi. How old was she at this point?

She's, I think, like, six to eight. I don't have an exact year. You got a riot for your people, dog. This is when child marriage is still a thing, so I don't like where this is heading. No, it doesn't go exactly where. you think. It does not go there. The case was brought to the attention of Mahatma Gandhi, who set up a commission to investigate. The commission traveled to where she was, and this is in 1935, so she's about like nine or ten, and she recognized several of the family members from

Ludgi Devi's family. She found out that Kadar Nath had neglected to keep a number of promises that he made to Ludghi Devi on her deathbed. So she gets the report, they do the whole report, and they confirmed that this was a case of reincarnation. She goes so far in this specific case that she remembered crazy details of things that he had not lived up to. That's the part that is very interesting. So like the way that he was going to live, the way they're going to raise their child, the house they were going to live in. She ends up going to the house and points out where the bath used to be. She pointed out all the differences in the house, the things that had changed.

She even pointed out a spot where she had hidden money that was supposed to be used for their daughter. they went to the spot. They couldn't find any money. Again, this is in the home, like in one of the walls. They couldn't find any of the money. And they asked Kedar not. They were like, yo, where is, is there, was there money in the house? And he goes, no, no, not at all.

And they say, well, she's adamant that there was money. And he eventually confesses, again, on the record to the commission. Yeah, there was money. And I took it out and I spent it on, on my wife, which was again, against what her wishes were. Yeah. So I happen to know where money was hidden in a wall in a house, in a disinreasonry. region in India. I don't know. No, this makes sense.

Yeah, I believe this one. An Indian woman keeping her husband accountable. In second life, that is... Fucking in on this one. That is how it goes. Yeah, that seems like it's pretty much on the money. And that's the first thing she would do.

Yeah, oh, yo, where the fuck's my money at? Why haven't you taken care of the kids? Came back from the dead to be like, yo, you're buying your wife bags? See, when we get married in India, you're bound together for seven lives. So she's just back, like, making this happen. And he's going to have five more. You guys have cat marriage? No, no.

Two less. Two less. Wow. Awesome. That's great. You got to really be careful who you married then. That's why you walk around the fire seven times. It's one for each life.

God damn. If I was in there, I'd be like, yeah, we could do too. But you never know. You never know which one you're on. That's the thing, unless you're this lady, obviously. Oh, that's a good-ass point. So you could be on your last one. So what happens, though, if you marry someone and then in your next life,

you marry another person, you got six more with the other one, and then you got seven with the... Well, you wouldn't get married to the next soul unless your seven are already up. Oh, really? Yeah. So if you're, but how many Indians do you know that don't get married? Quite a few. There's a big, large tradition of at least Indian men going out and being celibate.

Oh, that's by other people's choice. No. Yeah. Is that in or is that out celibate? Yeah, yeah. I don't know if that's you guys be like, all right, I don't know. I'm going to take it easy in this life. Come on, it's mysticism.

I was such a puss hound in my old. old life. I got a really, I'm going to chill what you do. Get it easy this time. They're like, I don't know if I'd buy that. Sell my past life finger. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're like, whoa, all right. Jeez. But it's a pretty crazy story. This one apparently super well documented. Mama Gandhi was involved.

The government got into it and I believe that one fully. I don't know. You read that one. You're like, it's pretty weird. This is another one that happened in India. Again, a lot of Dr. Stevenson's work, this is the first guy from University of Virginia. He did a lot of his work in Asia.

and South Asia. Makes sense. Because, again, a lot of those cultures, they go kind of both ways. One, they have way more cases of past life experiences and reincarnation because obviously it's built into the religion. If you're Zen, if you're Buddhist,

if you're Hindu, that's a part of the culture. But it often becomes an issue when it comes to actually like taking down statements because a lot of it has sort of been tampered with the family where they're like, oh, if you said that, then you must be this. And so on the one hand, it's, you know, more common.

but on the other hand, it's like a little bit less accurate, some researchers would say. Because in the United States, you come from a Christian tradition. It's like, that I don't believe this at all. But if it keeps on coming up, it's like, oh, a doctor can get in pretty early and, like, take good records of it.

We also don't keep records. Push against that. Wait, what? I don't know. I just feel like you already believe in a higher spirit. You already believe in, like, some of it. So you're probably going to lean a little bit into like yeah well my

kids different special but a lot of people say no my pastor kicked us out of the church because I think uh Leninger's family like their pastor was like oh it's demonic like don't tell people about this like come in get an exorcism he's helping him I don't know it's

the Abrahamic tradition seem to breed this like sort of uh it's that fanatical risk reward thing right like oh if you do a little bit of bad you go to hell forever if you do a little bit of good you go to heaven forever And that leads to extremes, right? But like with at least the ancient,

Asian traditions or whatever, you go back and it's like, you have this measured, balanced version of it where it's like you can do a little bit of good, a little bit of bad, a little bit of good, and they come back equally. But also at the same time,

there's like a million other things that are at play that also affect your life. Such as? Like everything. You're in existence with the entire universe. So all of the things around you that are going through their own sort of cycles also affect yours indirectly

and you have no control of them. So that's why there's a big thing in India where it's like, oh, you know, these people are less privileged or they have less because, you know, they must have done something in their past life. That's not necessarily the case, right?

Maybe there were some extenuating circumstances or maybe there's other stuff at play because this is like thousands and thousands, maybe even millions of comic accounting that you have to take into place. Yeah. So you never know. That's the thing in Christianity.

Like there's actually passage from one of the gospels where they see a man or they see a kid who's blind. And the apostles are like, oh, Jesus, is he blind because of, is he blind because what his dad did? And Jesus was like, no, no child is accountable for the sins of their father. It's kind of like absolving like, yeah. Oh, yeah. Does karma debt roll over? Yeah. Yeah.

But it's attached to your soul until you're saying. parents. No, from past lives. Like, let's say you reincarnated. Do you sort of get that shit from... Your karmic debt and then also the circumstances around you. So your karmic debt makes up a certain part of it, obviously. Like, if you're a terrible person, chances are you're not going to come back very privileged.

But sometimes you do. I met a girl who said she had a very high karmic debt from her past lives. What did she say? She had the highest karmic debt ever, and she needed to do nicer things in this life. That sounds like a good motivation to live. Yes. I mean, what's you doing nicer things? Probably.

Wait, what does that mean? She's probably doing great things. Yeah. So then there you go. There you go. I mean, look, you can only do what you can control, right? Like, if you do good, hopefully good will come back to you. But sometimes bad things happen to good people.

And, you know, that's a result of everything else around you. You're not alone in this. So if there's a kid that's got cancer or he's dying, you don't have to feel bad for him because he's probably a dickhead before. Not necessarily Yeah, that is crazy You're poor because you're bad When you weren't around

That's what I'm getting from I'm like oh thank God Yeah That's not the case I like rich kids that reincarnate As other richer people I'm like oh that's sick Yeah

They're like you were somewhat rich And you came back even richer I'm like dude nice There's no Economic mobility in reincarnation That's what we need to look into No I don't think there is

Can you reincarnate up the cast I'm sure you Yeah But you're more likely to reincarnate into, like, a plant or an animal just by law of numbers. Don't. Because souls account for everything that's living. But is that down? Not the key.

Some people on Earth probably live worse than, like, my cat. Probably, yeah. Yeah. So those people could go from living wherever they are, having a terrible time, to be in my cat being a huge upgrade. Yeah. Yeah. That definitely happens. They always say, you know, the best person to be reincarnated into is an old white lady's dog.

Yeah, like a golden retriever and like a Indian Tucket. Yeah. Not my grandma. She gave her dog away and then called my dad and was like, I need the dog back. Got the dog back from the pound. Dropped it off at the house and then she was like Nah, take it back. Never mind. Gave it away twice.

Or she just made the dog travel. Hardcore. Yeah, yeah, the dog got to go on a little trip. Yeah, exactly. Went to prison for all. He was like, God, damn it. What's up guys? We're going to take a break really quick because if you're anything like me, you like a little caffeine kick. You like to maybe grab a coffee. maybe one or two during the day, but you can't always access it.

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Good or no, but it's okay. She began describing her previous life in a nearby village when she was a child. Her parents didn't pay too much attention to, you know, her weird snake phobia or her fascination with Bengali culture, which is quite different from their Marathi culture, which is, again, the place we're talking about. When her past life personality, Sharada, emerged,

she spoke perfect Bengali, a completely different language. And they kind of became concerned. Again, her whole family, no one really spoke Bengali. She named 25 people she had known from the previous lifetime, her relationship with each one, and how she interacted with them. Sharada lived 150 years earlier and nearly 600 miles from Mutara's home. Sharada claimed she had been bitten by a snake on her foot and had no recollection of her death after that.

Dr. Stevenson and his team of researchers learned of the case and they went there to do the research. And they had found when investigating the reincarnation stories that many of her instances, the people that she knew, how she died, where she lived, her dialectical understanding of Bengali was all verifiable. And that's where the case ended. It's pretty crazy. Marathi and Bengali are as different as Lithuanian and English. That's crazy different. Yeah. And apparently, again, they had a Dr. Stevenson brought a Bengali researcher and was like,

yeah, she speaks Bengali. Like, it's good Bengali, too. This late in life. Yeah. Yeah. 32. That's crazy. Yeah.

So, again, I don't know when her things first started coming up, but yeah, pretty interesting. Another thing that's interesting with a lot of these stories is they don't give the people's real name. So, like, when they do the research on them. them. It's unknown who they are to the public. So like the family will be like, hey, we're down to cooperate with this like public journal that you're going to put out because your research needs to be publicized, but we don't want our names to be involved in it. And this is, say again, why? Because you get so much scrutiny. If people know in your community, then, you know, they can

scrutinize you if you're growing up in America and they're like, oh, you're Hindu now. That makes sense. Or even furthermore, it'd be, you know, a lot of pressure on the kid to be like, hey, you used to be something and now you're different. So this is one of those cases. And this one's a little bit fun because it has to do with golf. Nice. So in his book, Return to Life, Dr. Tucker, again, the guy that we're talking about, which is actually a good book. I got halfway through it on audio.

I read the Wikipedia. A three-year-old boy who identified himself in a photograph of Bobby Jones. Yeah. And was like, that was me. The child knew a bunch of, like, bizarre... It's good. Say again? They're always good.

I'm not the Nazi. Unless you're a Nazi in England. It's still, like, technically war here to his own people. Everyone's good to someone For a brief period They're good None of them are gonna commenters This is my annoyance

Well there's a ton of commoners We just don't talk about those stories There's one where a kid was like Oh I was a What was he? He made olive oil Nice So he'd an olive mill

That's fun And it was like Oh yeah I lived in this town And I was a I made olive oil And the family was like What?

I like that way more And then they went And went to the olive mill And they found Where the grove was Where all the olives Were growing like in the vineyard and they were like oh was there a mill here and they go oh yeah it's over on the

on the block and they showed the mill and the kid was like this is my mill and then stopped having those recollections that's beautiful i like that one way more tell me about bobby jones junior here so uh this is again detail in the book bobby jones the famous golfer from the 20s and they do the same exact study so they show them a bunch of golf from the 20s and say you know do any of these look familiar and immediately the kid whose name is going to be hunter for this story again it's not his real name, picks up the picture and goes, this is me. And then he looks at a picture of Harry Varden, another famous golfer and goes, oh, this is Harry Garden, my friend.

Again, his name is Varden. He says Garden. I mean, Harry Garden's like a hilarious name for like a bad guy in like 007. Yeah. Mr. Harry Garden. That's an Austin Power's name. Yeah. So he's basically going through this whole research and he has like all these references

between the ages of 3 and 7 that point to having a bizarre understanding of who this obscure golfer was Bobby Jones. This kid himself was an obsessive golfer. So he gets a pair of plastic, you know, Fisher Price clubs and is immediately good. What year is this? This article was written in 2016,

and the kid at that time was about like 17, no, he's about 12. So I think all this was happening probably. Early 2000. Yeah, mid-2000s, probably 2006. So he ends up being like a prolific golfer. The kid, and he's like phenomenal. And I think that's how he eventually got and saw the picture of Bobby Jones.

Like he was golfing all the time and then was in like probably like a country club and saw a picture of Bobby Jones. We're like, oh, that's me. Wait, so he was like a golf prodigy before? I believe so. I can't really get the timeline from this one article. That fits in with Hinduism. Yeah, we say like, look, if you have accepted.

skill before you become an adult at something. It's likely because your past life, you were interrupted as you were developing those skills. Hmm. That's interesting. So this kid went on to win 21 golf tournaments in a row and clearly has an unusual ability to play golf and it's still golfing to this day. Is this name actually Tiger Woods?

Who went a crazy amount of tournament? Yeah, it's crazy. I mean, no, he was a kid. So again, he's probably like. 18, 19 now. And yeah, he's excellent. So now people in the golf world are kind of like trying to figure out, oh, who's the kid?

So they're like looking up like golf records around the country to find like young kids that keep on winning tournaments. And they found a couple. Like one kid, this kid Ty from California, like fits the bill. Tie from California. Tiger Woods was born in California. Oh, really? Oh, hilarious.

No, apparently this kid didn't take up golf until he was eight years old, which doesn't fit with the profile of the person. they're trying to find. I'm curious actually how Bobby Jones died. Probably smoke and drink himself to death. He was a famous golfer in the 20s. I wonder if he crashed into a tree. He retired from golf at the age of 28.

And then in 1948, I'm not sure exactly how old he was, he was diagnosed with shrignamilia, a fluid-filled cavity in the spinal cord that causes crippling pain and paralysis. He was eventually restricted to a wheelchair. He died in Atlanta in 1971, three days after converting to Catholicism. Let's go.

You got him at the end. dude. He was baptized on his bed, on his deathbed. And yeah, that's how he died. Such a cheater. That's the thing. That's the craziest part about Christianity is right at the end. You get to fucking claim it. Oh, I'm sorry.

All people are welcome to sing in the choir of the Lord. You guys as well. You guys are included in this. Oh, God. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'll see you in the next life. Yeah. If you're interested, you guys are more than welcome. We got a couple more.

Some of these get good. And then I want to tell you about the theories that Dr. Tucker has us to like how this might actually work within some type of like scientific framework. Okay. Half my own theories. All right. I got a couple more for you. These come again from Dr. Tucker's book.

He uses again, none of their full names. So a lot of the parents ask to be anonymous. So this is a story about Lee. This is another story that involves a famous person. Lee began talking about his memories when he was two and a half years old. He said that his middle name was Co. C-O-E. Which was also his mother's maiden name.

He had a daughter named Jennifer. He insisted that his birthday was the 20-5. of June rather than the 21st of June and he developed an obsessive fascination with Hollywood and wanted to return there to go to work. He said, although he had another house elsewhere. Can you guess who it is?

So far I got Lee and Coe. I'm thinking it's a Korean dude. It might be... Jennifer is also sort of a Korean... Yeah, Jenny. Jenny is a very Korean name. It might be Jukele and Lee, bro. We have to see. The famous... He's a member of BTS, actually. He claimed that he had a tractor in his house,

but people had not taken care of it, and that he was 48 when he died. So Lee's parents hear all of these claims, and they're like, this is all pretty strange. Lee's parents asked if he had acted in movies. He replied that he had written them. In response to a list of titles, he identified Gone with the Wind as one of his screenplays.

His parents determined that this had been written by Sidney Co. Howard, whose birthday was the 26th of June. Coe was Howard's mother's maiden name. His eldest daughter was named Jennifer. Howard died at the age of 40 years. an a tractor accident on his Massachusetts farm. A hired hand had left the tractor in gear

when Howard was trying to start it with a crank in the front. It lurched forward and crushed him against the stone foundation of the garage. This helped explain Lee's fear of tractors and his aversion to having anything tight wound around his body. He even disliked being hugged tightly. When he was a toddler, he often had nightmares. Sometimes he awoke crying,

and when his mother asked him what was wrong, he said that his arms were broken. Jim Tucker, who investigated this case, arranged for Lee to meet Howard's daughter, Jennifer, on the farm where he died. But by the time this had happened, Lee was almost five, was no longer talking about Howard and showed no signs of recognizing either Jennifer or the farm. Another weird one. You just got to read it and be like, that's pretty weird.

Yeah. The phobia thing, again, is like another Hindu thing where it's like, oh, if you're scared of something in this life, chances are, that was the cause of your demise in the past life. So no there was one that I'd read about a a parachuteer that died after he like wrapped up in his parachute again another military story. So he's just scared of cloth. Well, he would wake up in the night and have like rashes on his arms in like what looked like rope. Like it would just be like stripes across his arm. He could never use a blanket.

Literally. It just like was freaked out all the time. And then later in his life. Oh no, that one. Yeah. He would like have these like bizarre vivid memories. Another one was a kid that was born who his. father had died in a, again, in a military scenario for exactly what it was and had died after

his health after his parachute had malfunctioned. And he was raised by a stepdad and never really told about his father's death in any significant detail, especially at a young age. He ended up growing up and had like a fascination with airplanes and then even slept in a paracord hammock, like into his teenage years. Again, without knowing the details of his father's death. He was told that his father died in war, but didn't know the details of how horrific it was. Pretty weird. Yeah. Pretty weird.

Again, there's also an element here where people might attribute this to, like, what they would call genetic memory or, like, epigenetics. So this idea that, like, you can have trauma stored into your DNA and then when you have children that they possess that same trauma, which you can sort of look at through, like, human phobias. Right? Like, people would point at, like, a fear of heights. It's sort of irrational, right? You're on the edge of a building, looking out a window, and you're, like, terrified. and you have to like grab the ground. And it's like,

that's rational. Well, you have no actual chance of falling. You're inside a building looking out a window. Miles has a big fear of heights, on you. But I would also say it's very rational to be afraid of snakes or like anything that could hurt you. But a deeper phobia of snakes versus hippos is obviously irrational. Those hippos go more people here than snakes.

So it's one of those things where you've got to look at it and be like, okay, we have this deep aversion to this one thing. The hip ones get more people in snakes? Yeah. Deadless animal in the world. Scary. That's a big claim. Hippos kill more people and snakes.

I think the stat you're thinking of is like sharks. No, I believe this is hippos. Hippos kill a lot of humans. Snakes are everywhere. Yeah, but not all of them are venomous, and not all of them can kill you with their venom. It's like spiders, you know? Hippos kill more people each year than snakes,

according to BBC's science focus, which is estimated that hippos kill 500 people a year while snakes kill 138. That's an insane number. That's not counting all the snakes in India, to be fair. That's what I'm saying. There's snakes all over the world biting people. There's no chance.

chance to hundred three. And the BBC is a historical inaccuracy with Indian statistics. Life wasn't even going there, but I'm on your team, dog. I'm on your team for me sounding right about shit. All right, hang on a second. I don't know if this is true. There's just no fucking way that hippos kill more people and snakes in the world. In Florida, there's like 45 snakes that could kill you. In Australia.

Okay, according to this thing, it says it's difficult to say exactly how many hippos kill each people a year, and they estimate that hippo deaths are far below those caused by snakes. Yeah. It just statistically is fucking impossible. There's hippos in one continent and also sort of South America. How do they kill humans?

I don't know. I just always have heard that stat. Trampling? I genuinely have no idea. They kill more than lions I could get. They kill more than X, Y, Z, like other scary animals, sure. Definitely more than tigers. Snakes is fucking nuts.

Yeah, I don't believe that. We got to look into that. I don't know. I derailed us. This one's on Miles. All that to say, you have these. fears that are like genetically passed on cats are terrified of cucumbers because it looks like a snake. Isn't it something to do with like RNA?

I don't know the exact details to be honest with you. There's something. I don't know if anyone does, to be honest. There was something from college that I remember people discussing that like DNA doesn't actually like carry information with it or some shit, but RNA can transfer actual like knowledge and that the soul technically could rest a tiny little bit within the heart. RNA and like there's people that get their like liver transplant from another person and then they immediately get new either like phobias or like um they love peanut butter and they never like

peanut butter before because there's like sort of RNA baked into those those like major organs and it can like affect your brain that's interesting yeah i mean i don't know i kind of again this is where i'm like open to the idea yeah i'm looking about the nature of genetics and consciousness this. And, which again, there's an interesting theory on this that we'll touch on in a second. But you just hear these stories, and you're like, this is just so bizarre. I don't know. I don't know what it is. We'll give a couple more. So this is another case that was independently investigated by Jim Tucker, along with Ian Stevenson, the two researchers we've been talking about repeatedly. So there's a kid, James, who had been in good health until 18 months.

His cancer took hold. He began to have trouble walking and fell, fracturing his tibia. He walked with a limp, and this neuroblastoma was confirmed by an autopsy taken in the swelling of his scalp above his right ear, his left eye protruded and was thought to have bled slightly because of this he had trouble eating. He had to have an intravenous tube in his throat leaving a linear scar across the left side of his neck.

By the time of his death, seven months later, James was blinded his left eye and his facial features were distorted from all the operations that he had undergone. Good to the good parts. Yeah, it's so sad. So the mother ended up having another child. This child's name was, again,

we'll go with PM. He was born blind in the left eye and his face was asymmetrical. He had a linear birthmark resembling a surgical scar across his neck. He also had a cyst on the right side of his head behind his ear in the place that the biopsy had been performed on his late brother James.

When he began to walk, he had a limp, even though he had no physical reason for it and doctors couldn't find any reason why he was limping. They claimed that it was in some way psychological. And starting about when he was four and a half years old, he related many memories of James. He gave an accurate description of the apartment in which he used to live.

live where James had used to live and wanted to return to where James had played with his toys. He accurately described the biopsy on James's scalp and recalled not being able to drink without vomiting. He identified a picture of James as one of himself. So when showed a picture of his late brother, the mom was like, oh, that's me. I look so cute. And the mom was like, that's not you. That's your brother that had died. His mother followed the advice of one of the journalists and basically was really resistant to this and was like, no, we're not doing this. Like, we are going to absolutely push this down. And he acknowledged his link to James and sort of let him sort of like work through this process.

They had gone to the house that they had lived in prior. They found some of the toys in the attic that James had used to play with and showed them to their kid. And once they started doing this, their child PM had developed some sight in his left eye and slowly actually regained part of his site. And then at the age of six, no more had memories about James. again another bizarre thing I don't know I don't know if it's specified in the book It seems like it's like fairly recent

Because it was Dr. Tucker that took the lead on it So it must have been like post-90s About a mother who lost your child All that shit So I believe that one Why not? I believe that one That seems weird

I mean all these people died and lost children Yeah I believe that one Because if it's recent I don't want to deal with it Oh she's still alive Yep I don't know she's still right She's actually a huge fan of this podcast

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That's terrible. Let's go through another. This is an extraordinary case investigated by this guy James Matlock, and it was reported in one of his papers, signs of reincarnation. And Rylan appeared in an episode of a television program called Ghost Inside My Child, which is like another really popular documentary series that covers a bunch of these stories.

Basically, there's a bunch of written statements and behaviors about Jennifer Schultz, who was identified as Rylen's previous reincarnation. Rylen's mother had been in contact with a bunch of producers months before Rylan related the memories that led to the case being solved. and it's been detailed on a bunch of different like psychological encyclopedias. So before she began talking about her previous life, Rylan showed signs of extreme emotional distress. She sleepwalked most nights and complained that her shirts hurt her neck, her shoulders, and her back. Her pussy and her crush.

It felt we got to, that's crazy to say. I think there's a child. Was this the same time as the song by any chance? I think it was right around the same time. as a song that this shirt was hurting her neck and her shoulders and back she said that she felt as if her skin was burning her family could not understand what was wrong nothing in her short life could account for these actions in her interview with matlock when she was 10 rylind said that she thought that jennifer had been electrocuted while talking on the telephone sitting in a swing

in her home's carport unable to confirm this through information available online the researcher went to kenner louisiana where jennifer had lived and talked with some of her friends he determined that not only that many of Rilin's memories were accurate, her personality and habits also matched Jennifer's. The researcher obtained Jennifer's autopsy report, which stated that her body had been recovered from the floor of a carport.

On the document that he got, it says that she had died in a fire. But there was no suit in her trachea and no discoloration of her blood, which indicated that she had died before the fire had engulfed the house after the lightning strike had actually hit her home. Jennifer might have indeed died from electrocution,

as Rylan had asserted, although since the fire left her body completely burned, this could not be confirmed. So rather than the phone causing the electrocution, it was the lightning? I believe so. Wow. Again, another weird one.

It's all very strange. So here's one of the theories that Dr. Tucker puts forward that I find quite interesting. he basically says in like a and this is an oversimplified version quantum physics shows that at the most basic levels of the universe events involving even the smallest particles such as electrons and protons only occur once they are observed

so this is like the double slit experiment right so you take a light you shine it through a screen with two slits with a cut behind it behind the screen you have a plate that records where the lights hit and with the double slits it creates like a wave pattern where there's interference and when it's not being detected, then it creates just a very clear two-slit and there's no wave pattern. So these light waves are behaving whether or not it's being observed effectively that consciousness is making an effect on the physical reality and not necessarily only the other

way around. Okay. The physical reality making an effect on consciousness. Kind of, again, alluding to the idea that consciousness exists somewhere outside of our brains or interconnected between brains inside and outside and not only inside, which is kind of what people can. observe. Other people have pointed out the like the double slit experiment

is faulty. It's actually an interesting I didn't realize. That by detecting these specific electrons or like these photons going through these slits, the light that's required to observe them is actually disrupting

their pattern where they go. Interesting. So in order to measure it, it requires light that it requires another variable added. Which on the smallest level, can actually disturb the state of an electron or a proton. Of course. Yeah.

And so some people have pointed that out. Other people, again, I'm not a, like a, I'm not a scientist. Well, yeah, we can't fix all the variables in every experiment. That's, yeah. I don't know. That's interesting, though. That's really fascinating. The way it's framed to me is that, like, you basically have these interference patterns.

And so even when the timing of the light going through the double slits is slowed down, this is actually a really fascinating thing. So basically, you have the two slits, you're blasting light through it, and it's creating this interference. wave pattern. You can imagine it like water going through two slits and like, you know, like a dock or something. And you can imagine kind of how the ripples wave out and double the ripples. Exactly. So it creates like two sort of like cone things and where they intersect. You create interference. And it kind of creates that pattern across the back. So they said, what if we blast

the photons with more space in between them? Almost certainly the interference pattern wouldn't persist. But even in that case, when they were spacing out the shooting of the proton, they somehow still made an interference pattern, even though they weren't going at the same time to interfere, indicating that it was some way aware of where it was going to go. Okay. So again, the research is really, this is strange, we don't know why. And to my knowledge, there hasn't been a conclusive explanation

as to why when it's observed that the double slits act in a different way than when it's not being observed. Yeah. But very strange. I mean, these other ideas like quantum entanglement, where you have basically two you'd have like two electrons that would somehow be entangled

so they would come in close proximity and then when they remove them and they actually separate them when one of them is inverted the other one instantaneously inverts opposite side of the world it's crazy opposite side of the universe

faster than the speed of light yeah and again this is a massive over simple location this is the speed of information I think is what they call it it's the fastest oh right right it's faster in light

it's literally the information so it's somehow knowledgeable of what the other one is at and instantaneously changes farther than light, faster than anything. That's crazy. So somehow they're suggesting that this could be you know, like these two things are somehow entangled

on a quantum level where this could be in any place in the universe. It could be 100,000 light years away. And when one of them is manipulated, the other one will then respond in kind if they have been quantumly entangled. So again, there's sort of these mysterious things that maybe there's a very simple benign explanation or maybe there's something that's deeply unsettling

about the nature of how our universe works that we don't really understand. And if that's the case, then it could suggest that the material world may be derived from consciousness or could be affected by consciousness and not the other way around. Although that idea is debated by many, it is a belief that's been shared by a number of quantum physicists, including Max Planck, the father of quantum mechanics. If consciousness creates the material world or has a very real impact on it, then it may not be dependent upon that world to exist. It would follow that consciousness does not depend on a living brain to exist if it's able to exist outside of the brain. Yeah. If consciousness doesn't require brain, it may continue after the brain stops working.

It could then get attached to a new brain and continue on in another life. Or just exist in some type of, you know, ethereal, liminal space where no brains exist at all, ergo, afterlife, heaven, etc. Hmm. I don't know. That's, yeah. This is just what Dr. Tucker has put forward. And to me, I'm like, I'm a believer in a soul. I believe there's a soul in us, you know what I mean?

And people have some type of, like, thing that exists in some afterplace. I don't know what it is or where. Right. Could it come back to Earth? I'm like, maybe, perhaps. I don't know. This also could just be like, I'm sure some of these are coincidence or some people just know something and then you look back enough in history and you're going to be like,

oh, we found a match. Right. That's possible. I think it's also possible that parents are sort of subconscious. consciously imprinting information on their kids through like their excitement and their attention. Yeah, I'd like to apologize that I call these parents goofballs. They are fucking goofballs, but I also think they have kids who are like crying and say they're in pain and you want to solve that. And then you also want your kid to be extraordinary.

Yeah. So they're goofballs, but I do apologize. Porque, no lost those, right? Yeah. But with that being said, I don't doubt that any of this phenomenon is real in terms of like what the parents are reporting. And anytime a kid is talking about like a fantasy world that is involving. like, oh, my kids are dead. I miss my family.

I died in a house fire. I'm like, these are either too specific or too dark to make me think, like, why is this kid saying this? Kids are dark as hell sometimes. You're saying, kid, like, draw something scary and you're just like, oh, God. I mean, kind of, but no, I have 15 nieces and the nephews, and, like, there's not a, like, there's not really a sense of, like, darkness in this, in the way that these kids talk about. Like, waking up with night terror is, like, well, I was murdered.

it'll be darkness in the sense of like oh the bad guy tried to get me or like there's a monster under the bed but like it'll be sort of fantastical and not like oh i was in an aircraft that got shot down and i bled out i mean i guess but if you go that way if you like subscribe to this whole reincarnation thing then maybe not all reincarnation stories are going to be as fantastical only the craziest ones will lead to the craziest effects right right so yeah the theory yeah i guess to back that up is like there's probably if this is what you believe in, there's probably a bunch of kids who also had past life thoughts

when they were two, but their lives were normal and they didn't have like some awful trauma. So it just sort of like, as it phased out of all these other kids by like 6, 7, 8, it also phased out of those kids

and they just didn't talk about it because they were like, yeah, my past life was fucking unaccounted. Yeah, I died of normal, very benign death. It's like less like brutal on the brain. And it doesn't leave that trauma on the soul. Right.

No. And then also you could talk about, you know, oh, I had an imaginary friend. And your parents are like, that's so cute. And my imaginary friend is just a regular person. But like, for example, one of these stories, a girl, you know, talked about her imaginary friend Nina all the time. And that the bad guys were coming to get Nina. She was afraid of the bad guys. And she was afraid they were going to come get her and that Nina had numbers on her arms and it made her so sad.

And basically it was like your imaginary friend was a Holocaust survivor? Or like Holocaust victim rather? Like, how do you know about the Holocaust? and like they talked about it they showed her like pictures of like tattoos that people got during the Holocaust and the daughter like was crying like inconsolable wow and she was like that's what Nina has and then she was also like sounding out songs on the piano like she would do like twinkle twinkle little star and like other little songs havinagila and uh she's gonna say what song did she twinkle little star yeah exactly yeah yeah to you know put on the star and uh yeah and she was

telling her parents like oh Nina taught me how to how to play the songs and the parents were like that's pretty weird. Twinkle to me a little star. Yeah. What if she's just sort of good at finding notes on a piano? That's also possible. All right.

Yeah, but how else would she know? So yeah, I don't know. You just read some of these stories about the theory of consciousness and you're like, oh, is this bigger than this? Are these phenomena related to all other phenomena

relating to like, oh, near-death experiences, past life regressions? Like, you're familiar with the idea of past life regression. Like, Alex talked about this on flagrant. Like you do this, like hypnotic experience that then you see like you're fully conscious in your actual body but then

you see this other life this alternate life this past life that you had experienced and uh apparently it's very vivid from the people i've talked i talked to a handful of people that have done past life experiences or past life regressions and they're like it's extremely real you can feel the skin on your face and it feels different your beard feels different like yeah so i don't know i don't know if it's all touching the same thing i don't know if it's like we have little remnants of some type of explanation that we'll never fully know. But you said this is connected to like the Hindu idea of consciousness. Yeah, what we were just talking about,

like the idea that your consciousness creates the reality around you is kind of like the concept of Maya in Vedic Hinduism. It's like everything around here is an illusion and it's all up to the self-centeredness of your bodily function as a human, essentially. Which I kind of think it's like a healthy way to live in general. Like even if it's true or not. not. Like, let's say it's completely not true. And like our material world is completely independent from our consciousness, which is just purely created in the brain, which, again, to this point,

as far as my understanding of neuroscience goes, no one really knows where consciousness is created in the brain. We don't know what the organ is for consciousness. We understand that there's, you know, executive function happening in the frontal lobe. There's fear happening in the amygdala, but we don't necessarily know where consciousness is or even what it is, which I think is like a pretty significant thing where it's like yeah i mean thus far and again we as far as neuroscience goes we're still at the starting line of understanding anything about the brain but consciousness is still like a great mystery but i think that idea is probably helpful to live as like i'm going to have a positive attitude and like try to quote manifest good things in my life and i'm going to visualize

good outcomes and the people i talk to that do that on a regular basis tend to have better outcomes and better results so i'm like even if it's not true even just living that way like that's how i about like in my opinion like christianic catholicism that's why i like it because even if it's completely all not true it's just man's explanation for what you know science or what nature has done organically and we're trying to ascribe meaning to you know our existence i'm still like it's a pretty good way to live yeah like be kind to your neighbor no you know you know you be communal with people pray and be spiritual in some capacity reflect on yourself at who you are don't steal lie cheat murder. I'm like, these are all good things.

So even if it's not true, it's on like, almost some like Pascalian wager type shit. Yeah. Yeah. Wager's right. You're making the right choice. Yeah, I think both for the afterlife because you get potentially, you know, eternal salvation, but also in our current life, because I think you're just also a better person. By living a better life, I think you're probably

happier as a human on earth. Yeah. So I'm like, I don't know, the Hindu idea of like, you know, your conistist actually impacts reality, I think, is probably helpful to live as. Yeah, it's the same thing ultimately Like the more good you put in

The more good will come out of it I think It's also functionally true Right like everyone I talk to that successful Is like I visualize good things happening I don't let the bad stuff get me down I just like you know what I mean Like everyone there's some hateful successful people

Yeah but then they visualize destroying their enemies And it's not positive Yeah yeah yeah but there is like a visualization component of like I don't know Oh yeah I think I think visualization and like Positive self-talk is some of the better things people can do for themselves, like, immediately. Yeah, no, 100%.

And, like, not only positive self-talk, but just, like, mitigating the negative self-talk. Hmm. Oh, God. Yeah, right? Such a bad self-talk. Yeah, exactly. Such a bad negative self-talk day today. That's what happens, dude.

That's what happens. But apparently, it's like the positive self-talk is, like, only minorly effective. Yeah. Like, constantly telling yourself, I'm great. I'm the best. Yeah. It's only, you know, it's like a marginal impact on overall happiness where it seems like a cornerism of studies I read.

It's mitigating the negative self-talk, sitting there and being like, I hate myself, I'm so stupid, I'm an idiot. That is actually far more destructive. Just making that neutral will be better for you in the aggregate than constantly telling yourself how great you are. We're all just building stories for ourselves, right? And ultimately, if the story you build for yourself is like, oh, no, I suck. You will suck. Yeah. But it's crazy that that is the reality.

Yeah. And then it just makes a bigger question for me where it's like, is our consciousness affecting reality? like I like certainly it is in like an indirect way where it's like yeah you know you create an idea then you manifest the idea in real life through work and you know product development and then that thing now exists yeah sure but like on a subconscious level like can you think things into existence like I don't know if it's as direct as that but like no I don't know you just I hear people of vision boards I've never done a vision board my life but I see people of vision boards and it's like yeah you went 10 for 10 on your vision board like I don't know what to tell you

It's a numbers game, right? Yeah, I think it's positive to do positive things. I don't know what begets what, though. Yeah. Not everyone's path is always going to work, but oftentimes the root of it has to be good, I imagine. If the root of it is something positive, then maybe it'll work. Yeah.

Or at least has more chances to work. Yeah. This past life regression stuff or past life experiences reincarnation, to me is also if you believe in it it's real type thing like if I imagine these parents and these children

believe that it is real and like they go to Japan and like it is necessary to like do all of these things because it is real in their reality of their life and their family and like their day to day. So it is real to them. And I don't doubt the reality of like that.

Like if you feel, if you tell someone you're in, pain and you feel pain, but they can't tell that you're in pain. Like, your reality is you're in pain. So I do understand that it is real to them. Do you know what I mean? Like, as much as I'm a professional hater on this topic, I get that it's real. Yeah.

If you're believing it's real. Right. Yeah. I mean, like, a schizophrenic is like, oh, you're like, oh, you're really seeing stuff. Yeah. Like you saw the dude with the dog. He's like a support dog. Oh, yeah.

I love this. This is crazy. No, what happened? So, like, is it a guy on like Instagram or TikTok? Yeah, he'll film himself in his apartment, and he'll post these videos where he's like, yep, this is how my dog supports me. And the video will just be him, and he'll go, like, hey, Cooper, Cooper, greet, and it holds up his camera. And then the dog just looks at him like, yeah, what are you telling me to greet? Because he's seeing someone else in the room with him.

And he's asking the dog, the dog is trained to greet who he points out. So if you're in the room with him, the dog over, hey, nice, meet you, put his paw up or whatever. It's fascinating. He also uses his phone. So he'll, like, film, like a selfie film video, because in the video, apparently, it won't be there. Checkmate, schizophrenia. iPhone's what happened.

Boom, solved it. Yeah. Literally an iPhone. Your eyes are better in the phone. But it's like, yeah, the dog is able to support but being like, oh, this thing is actually not there. That's a great dog. No, imagine if the dog

just starts getting tired of them. Talk to them. Yeah, it starts going wild. Just barking and nothing. Yeah. That's what I'm saying. My dog, like, back home would be the worst dog ever. He just barks all the time.

My cat will do weird shit. We're like, oh, dude, your cat's so weird. Well, we have a black cat, bro. My wife also is a midwife. She delivers babies, which, like, 150 years ago was like witchcraft. Yeah. So she delivers babies and also has a black cat and then, like, cooks all the time and, like, only gives me homeopathic medicine. Hmm.

So I'm just, like, drinking potion. I might live with a witch. Yeah. The cauldron in your apartment's really weird. She has a black cat and is just making potions and then delivering babies in, like, South Williamsburg. It's weird. The cat will look into the mirror at you. So the cat doesn't do a lot of eye contact with you.

The cat's a little non-eye contact. Yeah. But if you find the cat staring in the mirror and then you sort of look into the mirror and you're like, oh, we're looking at each other. You understand that the reflection. It's insane. I have video of it. Yeah. I want to know what that cat's past life was.

Yeah. I don't know. I'm trying to think if I have any weird things. This is the only weird thing. My mom thought about that's me. I like hung up my mom this weekend and she was like telling me stuff. I was like, what? So like my mom obviously, I talk about this a lot.

She loves conspiracies. And I remember telling her, I was like, yeah, of course my conspiracy. She'll also listen to every episode to be very kind. Yeah, but I was like, Mom, I was homeschooled by a conspiracy there. That should be illegal in America. Like, I was homeschooled. I was in fifth grade by a conspiracy there. So she was like, yeah, but you have to understand, Mark, like, you kind of got me into conspiracies.

I got my dad into it, too. I was like, what? And she was like, yeah, you told me about the Freemasons. I had never heard of this. And I was like, what? And she was like, yeah, you were like nine years old Googling Freemasonry and, like, learning all, like, the hand signals and the 33 club, like, all this shit. and then told me about it than I got into it.

I was like, what? And then there's another thing that happened. I was one time sleeping in my mom's bed and just like taking a nap. This is like probably four in the afternoon. And then around like six, seven o'clock, my family is like starting to have dinner. And we used to do like family dinner basically every night.

And so everyone's like kind of cooking and like setting up the table and stuff. I, this is what I remember. I'm like sleepwalking, but I'm in a dream, but I'm in my house. And I walk out of my mom's room. and go into the kitchen, and I go and get a plate from the, like, from the cabinet. And I get a bunch of ice from, like, the ice maker and put it on the plate.

And then I pour water onto the plate. And now there's, like, water spilling everywhere. And this is kind of where I, like, come to. And I'm, like, sort of embarrassed. And I'm like, what am I doing? But before I come to, my sister looks at me and goes, Mark, what are you doing? And, like, almost angry. I looked at her, I was like, I've got to, I'm worshipping the bonfires.

And then that's when I came to And I was like, what am I? What? I looked around confused. This is the only time I ever sleepwalked in my life. Wow. And I looked at the plate and there was like ice on it. And then my sister's like gonna be.

And my mom's like laughing. And I was like, fuck you guys. I was just like, threw the plate on the table. Probably like 12. Okay. I don't know. 12, 13, maybe. I was like, I wasn't like a little kid.

Yeah. I was like probably like right around teenage years. And I just like went back to the room and went back to sleep. And my mom was like, what were you doing? And then years later, just like last week. My mom was like, have you looked into the vanity of the bonfires? I was like, no. I haven't even Google this yet.

I'm still, I'm yet to Google. She's like, just look into it. I mean, there might have been some weird. Just look into it. She's like, such a good thing. She's like, there might have been some weird stuff going on. So I don't know. But maybe if I had ice and water, I was trying to put it out.

So maybe I think, I don't think you should be worse from bonfires, but I think putting out bonfires is probably good. Hmm. I don't know. Do you have any weird things when you were a kid? Nothing like that. I mean, this, it makes me think that you were a Freemason back in the, and I was, day.

You know, like, maybe you were one of the kids just hanging out. Nothing really significant that caused you any trauma lead into this life. But my grandfather was a Freemason. They called me once and they were like, hey, you're like a legacy. Do you want to end? And I was like, I'm all right. Why didn't you go just to like look into it? I don't know.

It seems like a lot of work to look into. There's a lot of layers. I'm also of the mind, which people disagree with me on this. And I haven't done a ton of research. I've been lax in my free. Mason re-researched since I was 10. But with that being said, I don't really think that Freemasons they're doing anything now.

Yeah, I think they're fine. I think back in the day, they had a disordinated amount of control. Yes. And my explanation for this disorder was like, it was a club that all the powerful people were in. And they would do sort of like these ritual things. And whether it was tapping into a higher power or not, I don't know. Yeah.

I'm a little skeptical. It's the same thing as Skull and Bones. Like, everyone's like, dude, there are so many rich, famous, like, wealthy people that were in Skull and Bonds. I'm like, yeah, exactly. It's like, you know, it's like, Yale. Yale in 1908. Every frat does like weird

fucking, you know, like, oh, you're inducted into the frat now. And it's like, you happen to know people in the frat and then you become friends with them. Any weird shit? Yeah, they made me dress up as a chaplain, like a 16th century chaplain with like a robe. I had a sword.

We had the night kids. Every frat. For a film frat. Every frat does. So fun. You can be Pike at Georgia. Exactly. They're one day being the shit out of you and making you throw like a whole can of dip in. And then the next day they're like, okay, we're going to do, oh, you're going to

a monk in the 17thous hundreds. Neophyte come in the room. They do some weird shit. Every frat does it. So I'm like, okay, there's like a ritual component plus you happen to know people and if you go to a high power Ivy League school back to the day, you're going to be well connected. And then you work your way up in politics and so of course everyone is involved in it. With that being said, nowadays I meet Freemasons. We actually went to the Free Masonic Temple in... San Fran. We went to San Fran because we just showed there, but we also went to the one in

Boston. There's a really, really old one. That was the one where like everyone was members. Yeah. Oh, yeah. And yeah, we went, we, like, looked around. We saw all the rooms. And, like, there's weird stuff. There's all this, like, weird, like, Egyptian imagery and, like, ancient mystic mystery religions and stuff.

But my suspicion now is, like, if you're a Freemason, it's kind of like, it's just like, you're an old dude in a club. Yeah. There's weirdly, like, shriners. There's huge contingents of, like, black freemasons. Like, you'll meet them, like, in the south. And they're like, yeah, I'm 33rd ranked. Like, they'll grip you.

And you're like, whoa. I don't know. My grandfather was, I think, 32nd. Is he a black-free mizant? Yeah. No way. That's crazy. Yeah.

Actual black or black face? Just black face. Gotcha. That's how you got to get in. Robert Downey Jr., Travec Thunder could have infiltrated the black freemasons. I, uh, when I was a kid, when I was fourth grade, I for some reason, I don't even want to say for some reason. I know the answer. When I was in fourth grade to make it mystical, I wanted to change my name to Carter.

Don't know why. Ever since I was like a little kid, I was always like trying to find a new name. I don't do not know. No. Past life. Well, well, well. That's what I'm getting at. So, here we go.

So because my mom's not a fucking looney bin, we let this go. When I was in fourth grade, I wanted to change my name to Carter very distinctly. And I fully went to my fourth grade teacher. I was like, dude, I'm Carter. I just want to let you know. First day. Aaron Kyle. And yeah, that's the real reason.

So he goes, yeah, dude. He goes, Miles. I actually go by Carter. He's like, cool, Carter. Now, he would go, Carter, what do you think's going on in this math problem? And I would just not pay attention. He go, Carter, Carter. And so I go.

So I was going to go. it the name thing. I was not like committed to the name change and I sort of gave up on it truly like halfway through fourth grade. But my grandma on my mom, my mom's grandma, so my great grandma was called Grandma Carter. My mom was like, oh, isn't that so sweet that like you did that. You chose that name because of Grandma Carter, who I'd never met. There's no chance. Everyone in my family dies at like 48. Has you ever heard of her? I'm sure through like passing. But no, not that I know of. But I chose that name and my mom was like, oh, like I sort of thought it was nice. Like maybe it was about that, whatever.

Because she's not a fucking looney bin, we just let it go. And we moved on. But it was because Aaron Carter. I thought he was sick. I also had fucking blonde tip. So just know. What about Grandma Carter?

Have you looked into her? Nothing about her. No, nothing. Might be worth looking into. It might be. And maybe because your mom just believing reincarnation, she's like, oh,

you're just making up stuff. Yeah. Because you never got closure on it. Now you're a repressed woman. Makes a lot of sense. That's true. Makes a lot of sense, right? From a Midwestern woman from 1896.

Yeah, exactly. That tracks almost perfectly. It works completely. You have womanly tendencies, more than many of my other friends. I sort of am a woman. You hang with women a lot? I love hanging with women. Right?

Like, you like architecture. It's kind of gay. That's not womanly. That's actually so not woman. No, that's weird. You're trying to show a girl, that's a really cool building. No, the way you do it, though? Yeah.

You're like, do you know who designed this? I'm like, okay, that's pretty gay. I had a dream when I was a kid, a nightmare that there were snakes in my parents' bed. I slept in my parents' bed scarily too long. And there were snakes in the bed, and I woke up, and one of the decorative pillows in the bed had, like, you could tie it together. And it was wrapped up all around my arm. So I want to let you guys know that Carter, I'm sure my grandmother, died of snake bite or something. Maybe.

It's one of the most popular nightmares around the world. Snakes? Have you heard this before? Yeah, I've heard this. Like in the West. It's like teeth falling out, falling, things like this. Oh, yeah, you've seen the map where it's like the whole map is all the, like, countries and what their most common. Everywhere else in the world.

Everywhere else. Like, even like Belgium. Like some, like, like, westernized European countries, like, it's like snakes. It's all snakes. That's crazy. All of Africa virtually. Well, yeah, no, I mean, Belgium makes sense that, you know, something from Africa is terrifying them. They're haunting them in their past life.

Yeah. Yeah, exactly. It's pretty wild. Anyway, I don't know if we're going to get to the bottom of it today. It seems like you've been fully converted to a true believer. I'm a huge true believer. There's at least something happening where you've got to go, this is pretty weird. No, you don't.

Don't end the pot on that. That's where I'm ending it for me. Okay, my final thoughts are, it's pretty strange. I don't know if we know the answer. I don't know if it's necessarily reincarnation. I think it's probably a mixture of things. But the small subset that we can rule out is not like parents trying to prime their kids, which I think there's some of them certainly are.

some of them could just be straight of coincidence and then we're retroactively fitting like a great story and narratives kind of like what we were just doing and then you know and maybe there's some subset where it's like there's something happening in the universe maybe we are all connected in some capacity

and maybe our souls live on beyond when we die I don't know do you have any closing thoughts I don't agree well strong statement difficult to debate that yeah Shibber are you still Hindu yeah no I mean like

My reincarnation thing is always like, oh, okay, we're carbon and when we die, if we become carbon again and that becomes part of the universe. Oh, it seems like you're believer of Isaac Newton's theory. Yeah. That energy can't be created or destroyed. There you go. I'll play on that one. Right. And just because we don't know why doesn't mean that the phenomena isn't possible.

Exactly. And if we have a soul, we have a soul. If we don't, we don't. Who knows? Who knows? But maybe, you know, maybe some people have reincarnated. I talked to a guy that's going to be coming out on Thursday. this guy NEMS.

Fuck your life. Gorilla Nems. Bing Bong. And maybe he was something before. Who knows? Did he talk about it? No, he doesn't really talk about it. But he does have mob boss energy.

You meet this dude. You're like, oh, this guy's a... Oh, that's cool. This guy must have been Al Capone or something. I might be my grandmother or my great-grandmother. No, you say it. We're going to do a recap. All right?

We're going to find out. Thank you guys so much. If you have any past life experiences or you know someone that has a weird story, or maybe your kid just said something weird. Let me know. I would love to hear. what y'all think.

This has been camp, tent talks or rituals. Who knows exactly what I'm calling it? Maybe fireside chats. Maybe past life tent, something? I don't know. Thank you guys so much for tuning in. I appreciate y'all. We'll see you next week.