Camp Gagnon - The Ancient Egyptian Aliens CONTACTING CIA Psychics

Episode Date: August 20, 2026

Today, with Joey Avery, we dive into the classified history of the 'Council of Nine'—an extraterrestrial intelligence that allegedly contacted military psychics and high-level researchers. From the experimental Faraday cages of the Roundtable Foundation to the involvement of the CIA’s MK Ultra, we explore how ancient Egyptian deities may have been communicating with the modern world. Welcome to Camp! 🏕️ Shoutout to our sponsors: MUDWTR, Take Ultra, Ekster and GLD -Start your new morning ritual & get up to 43% off your  @MUDWTR  with code 'CAMP' at https://mudwtr.com/CAMP ! #mudwtrpod -New Customers get 40% OFF With Promo-Code: "CAMP" When They Visit: https://GLD.com -Get Up To 40% Off Through August 17th AND Use Code 'GAGNON20' To Get An Extra 20% Off When You Visit http://partner.ekster.com/campgagnon #ad -Don’t sleep on ULTRA Pouches. New customers get 15% Off with code CAMP at takeultra.com! #UltraPouches #ad Want the even WILDER theories? SIGN UP TO THE PATREON: https://www.patreon.com/cw/CampGagnon 👕🧢 Shop CAMP Merch: https://camp-rd.com/collections/ufo 🎟️ 🎫 Comedy Tour Tickets: https://markgagnonlive.com 🎩👽 Daily Dose Of History: https://www.dailytodayinhistory.com Timestamps: 0:00 Welcome to CAMP 2:45 What Is The Council of Nine 9:18 Andrija Puharich + Non-local Consciousness 15:21 The Roundtable Foundation + Faraday Cage 17:01 9 Masters of The World 21:54 Project Penguin + Military Psychic Research 26:36 Contact With The Nine Entities 35:44 The Sacred Mushroom + MK Ultra 39:32 Puharich’s Tooth Radio 42:24 Uri Geller’s Psychic Abilities 46:19 The Ennead + Star Trek Connection 49:00 The Nine’s Cosmic Hierarchy 50:55 JFK Connection 54:32 Lab 9 + Psychic ‘Space Kids’ 57:39 The Lab Burns Down 58:47 The Ra Tapes 59:45 What Actually Happened? 1:04:06 Psychic Manipulation 1:17:22 Daily Horoscope 1:19:44 Is Hypnosis Real? 1:28:00 What’s REALLY Going On? 1:32:38 WATCH JOEY’S SPECIAL! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Two and five Canadians will hear the words, you have cancer. That's why every step and dollar raised matters. On September 19th, join thousands in Toronto for the Princess Margaret Cancer Foundation Walk. Challenge yourself, friends, and family to walk 21 kilometers in support of life-saving research. Together, we can carry the fire and help create a world free from the fear of cancer. Register today at pmcfwalk.ca. An established academic and inventor went on a journey to discover if telepathy and psychic powers were just a version of physics that we haven't yet figured out.

He even went to the Pentagon to explain how telepathy might be used in psychological warfare. And then on New Year's Eve, 1952, inside a copper-lined laboratory on the coast of Maine, a Hindu scholar went into a trance. And when he opened his mouth, the voice that came out didn't claim to be a dead relative or a spirit or even God. It claimed to be nine beings, nine intelligences outside. of time supposedly guiding the evolution of humanity. This is the work of Dr. Pujarak. And from there, the story somehow involves secret military experiments, psychedelic mushrooms,

radio you can put inside someone's mouth, Yuri Geller, psychic children, the gods of ancient Egypt, the CIA, and eventually a bizarre connection that gets us all the way to the assassination of JFK. And there's no other person I could do this with than my good pal, Joey Avery, to help me figure out one simple question. What the heck is actually going on here? Were some of these people actually contacting some kind of non-human intelligence, were they truly talking to some entities called the Nine? Were they slowly building a mythology together without realizing it? Or did Cold War science, occultism, psychedelics, UFOs, intelligence agencies, and science fiction

all get mixed together until nobody could tell where one ended and where the other began. Because whether or not the Council of Nine is a real thing, the ideas that came out of those rooms that Dr. Biharik was conducting, those ideas were real. And they may have even helped create the entire genre that we now call ancient aliens. I hope you enjoy my conversation with Joey Avery, so sit back, relax, and welcome to camp. What's up, dude, and welcome back to camp. My name is Mark Gagnon, and thank you for joining me in my tent where every single week we explore the most interesting, fascinating, controversial stories from all time forever. And always, that is what I do here.

Every single week, I find a different rabbit hole, a wormhole, different types of holes, and I jump in them, and I try to figure out what's going on in this world. And I explain it to you. Yeah, that's the point of the show. I'm like, I consider this campsite, the sports center of conspiracy theories. I don't believe all of them, but I think they are all fast-standing. And just maybe there's a thread of truth in each one, and I want to figure out what it is. Now, before we begin, I want to say thank you to you for being a part of this. Every time you click, comment, like, anything like that on our show, you tell the algorithm overlords that we're actually good guys.

We're doing a good job. You keep the lights onto the tent, and you keep the fire burning here at the campsite. Now, I also want to take my good pal, Crestos. Cresor. What's up, everybody? No time, Crestos, because we're also joined by my good pal, Joey Avery. How are you? I'm great. I had no idea you were such a big hole guy.

Yeah, yeah, black holes, white holes. Sure. I'm just interesting. Yeah, whatever color holes. And oh boy, do we have a hole to jump into today. Have you heard of the Council of Nine? No. Oh, this is... J.J. McCarthy thing?

Wait, who is that? The football joke. Only football fans will get that, the three. Yep, the three guys out there. Yeah. Now, this is a fascinating episode that we put out pretty recently. And the feedback in the comments was great. A few people pointed out of a couple things that I just want to address.

A lot of people were like, dude, literally Y Files and AJ just dropped this episode two days ago. That broke my heart because we recorded it like two weeks before we put it out. So for everyone that's saying we stole, we didn't, but it was convenient that it happened two days before. Yeah, I can back Mark up on this. Every time I do an episode, I have no idea if it's coming out in like one hour or like next quarter. Like, there are like seasons will have changed and then an episode will drop. Yeah, sometimes there's a little bit of overlap, especially with AJ because this show is so good.

I have no idea who that is. Why Files is just amazing. Okay. So fun. But we cover a lot of the same sort of stories. So as a result, there is occasional overlap. And also someone else, Christina Boothnot, said, Mark, if you're reading this, please give the people at camp your perspective on Jesus.

I'll put a knot in your booth. No, you can't, no, not about, we can't say that when we're talking about Jesus, dude. What should look like? There's no picture. Guys. One to time. No, we're not going to make it. I'm not going to objectify.

Now we're having fun here. It's loose camp. I know. It's Christian. It's Christian. Okay. What did she say? Did she ask what her thoughts were about Jesus?

Your thoughts about Jesus? I like them. Broad. Yeah, I was going to say, I think Mark's pretty proud. You're wearing some of his merch right now. Yeah, I mean, that's his best moment. But it is kind of the signifier, you know what I mean, of our Lord and Savior. Yeah.

And a great guy. So there you go, Christina. And someone else said, Wan, Wanoto Mendi 8-913. Get the F out of here. So in the end, the super civilized entity, all they want is peace in the Middle East, and that's the one thing they're not going to get.

If you listen to the store from the outside, they're evil. The only thing they want for us is to meditate about things, and they think we're getting rid of evil. They're doing a horrible job. So people are not happy about the Council of Nine. Okay. Now, I'm sure you're curious what they are.

I certainly am. It seems like they're maybe causing some issues in the Middle East. I guess we're going to find out. Yeah. So this is basically a story of a very legitimate doctor inventor who became obsessed with a question. What if consciousness is non-local? What if consciousness isn't just something that your brain creates?

What if it's something outside of your brain that your brain can tap into? Like a radio. If that is true, like, can you tune the radio to catch different interferences? Can you do telepathy? This is something I believe Michael Pollan's been talking about recently. Many people have.

Yes. And we don't know. We don't know the answer. Is it all within us? Or is it, are we tuning into something? And when you take like, rooms and you're vivin. Do drugs enhance the signal?

Maybe. Is that like when you put tinful at the edge of your antennas? Definitely taking a few things and met God a little bit. Yeah. Who knows? Is the military using it? I don't know. It doesn't feel like it.

But why not? I don't know. I've done shrooms a few times and I feel like shooting rockets is never really something I'm into. I don't really even like technology. But what if you're shooting shrooms into someone else's head is what I'm saying? What if you're able to shoot a sound wave into their brain and then make them think stuff? If the military was going around trying to increase people's vibes and connection to consciousness, I think I would be even, I'd support our troops even more.

Flower power. Yeah. Yeah, that's it. Yeah. And then more importantly, what is broadcasting the signal? Like, if we're all tapping into this thing, where is it coming from? So on New Year's Eve, 1952, inside like a copper Faraday cage, there's a Hindu scholar that goes into a trance and then says that there are beings that are controlling this whole consciousness. not just one being nine.

And 20 years later, people later claim that these nine entities, in a bunch of different sort of esoteric and occult circles, will claim that they are extraterrestrial intelligence that helped create humanity and are eventually coming back. And this story goes and it connects with legit, the Pentagon, M.K. Ultra, remote viewing, Stanford, the guy that made Star Trek, Atlantis, reincarnation, and even Lee Harvey Oswald. this would be a doozy.

Yeah. This would be the mother of them all, I think. We're gonna be hitting all of it. Yeah. Now, if any of this sounds familiar, it is because we did an episode on it recently. So if you want, like, all of the straight up details on that one, I implore you to go check out that episode.

I believe it is called something, Council of Nine aliens, something awesome that Crece has picked. But if you want the fun version, where I break it down to my pal Joey, well, welcome to the show. We're gonna get a little loose with it. Yeah. You could have it straight up or you could have it gate up. Yeah, exactly.

This is like the, this is the Scooby-Doo version. Yeah. I'm Shaggy, your friend. Okay. And we're in our mystery machine trying to figure it out. Hell yeah. It's Scooby-Doo, but no girls allowed. Scooby-Doo, we haven't met girls yet version.

Well, if you know Scooby-Doo, Velma's always the one that actually cracks the case. Yeah. And so without our Velma, we're just. Like, we're fucked. There's ghosts. Yeah. Get those sweater cannons in here, Velma. Yeah, exactly.

Velma is lokied. She was my favorite. Yeah. See, I was actually. an interesting thing. I think that says a lot about you. I need to see like the political compass of like Daphne versus Velma. Yeah. Because I think if you like Daphne, you're probably more of just like kind of just a straight up and down kind of jock. Yeah. And then I think if you like, I think if you like Velma, I think you're kind of like, you're in. I think Velma's a more popular costume now though,

because, you know, she's like undercover hot. Whereas like if you're a girl and you're dressing as Daphne, everyone's like, yeah, we get it. Yeah. Yeah. Happy Halloween. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. But whichever you are, God bless you. Yeah. Oh, wow, this is like updated. Oh, did they cover? I guess I was just remembering Daphne is sluttier. Vellifni?

Is this a Velafni? Vlafni. Is this like a Rule 42, Daphne, Velma, like relationship thing? They also have a movie together, Daphne and Velma. The mystery is that they're scissoring? I was going to say they for sure hooked up a bit. Yeah, I mean, in the fanfic. Which is, yeah, which is great.

Good for the, God bless. Zoinks, dude. Yeah. So, this whole story starts really 1918. A couple lesbians with a dog solving mysteries, dude. What a good life. That's us. What a good life.

That is us. Hey, real quick, most people who watch this channel aren't subscribed. And when you subscribe, you help the channel grow and you stay in the loop with every new drop. Religion camp, history camp, and camp Gagnon. Now, let's get back to us. So you have this guy, Henry Pujarik, who's born in Chicago, 1918, Croatian, immigrant parents. He goes to Northwestern and gets a medical degree in 1947.

He eventually holds 50 plus patents, mostly involving medical electronics and hearing technology. So he's like a proper academic. And then he starts going by the name Andrizha Pujarak. We'll call him Poharic for all intents of purposes. He's a doctor. He's inventor. And he's not like some crazy UFO guy.

But he does have a weird obsession where he's like, I don't think consciousness is local. I think consciousness exists outside of us. And I'll explain more in detail, really what that is. But like, he's basically like, dude, telepathy's probably real. But he doesn't think television is like supernatural crazy. He thinks it's just, this is science we don't understand yet. And he thinks that there's a way to figure it out.

So there's two ways you can look at non-local consciousness. Or I guess consciousness, broadly speaking. There's a ton of like subcategories. Either the brain creates consciousness. That's like your brain's a record player. Yep. Spin and a tune. And the machine is what generates the music.

So if you destroy the record player, no more music. But the brain could also be a radio. An antenna. An antenna that then is tapping into whatever the consciousness is that exists around us that unites the whole universe. Yeah. So one person dies, the brain gets destroyed. The signal's still there. Right.

And so that means, like, are we just receivers? So if this is something that can be... So we'd be highly personal receivers, though, because whatever we're tapping into is what makes us us. Sure. Right? Because everyone is tapping into something different. Yeah, vaguely. But there's something out.

there some intelligence perhaps this is like a whole deep well of like philosophy of the mind which is like a new cutting edge version of philosophy that really came out in like the 90s right and like the current philosophers of the day this is like from all my philosophy friends this is like the underlying question that everyone's trying to answer yeah like back in the day people are like okay what is truth like what does it mean to live a good life now it's just like what is consciousness and no one really knows right i like to think it's non-local i like to think it's outside of us that's way more of a fun right there are moments when you feel things that feel like that couldn't be just inside of me.

Yeah. But if it is, dude, but if it is, then you're more powerful than you think. Exactly. It's outside of me and inside of me. Yeah. And outside of me again. Exactly. Back inside of me. The rope. Keeps going like that.

Non-stop. A lot. Exactly. So he's like, how do I test this? How do I figure out if this is, if it's possible, if telepathy, remote viewing? You're familiar with remote viewing? Not really. Explain that. This is the idea of like, I put a drawing in an envelope. I hold the envelope. I close it. And then you being able to, to use your telepathic powers, are able to determine what's inside the envelope.

It's sort of the underlying doctrine that inspires like stranger things and things like that. Yeah, the problem is every time someone appears to be good at it, we realize they're just like a magician who's lying. That's what you think. That is what I think. But then you look at like Montauk Project, you look at even like Stanford Research Institute,

they're doing remote viewing, even within a military capacity, which we're gonna get into in a little bit, where they're having maybe not 100% accuracy, but above average chance. Right. So like flip a coin, I'm in a different room than you are, and you can guess to like 85%. So they have these freaks. Yeah.

They have them. They're just in Palo Alto. Exactly. That's so close to where I grew up, dude. You might be one. They're just, they might be watching me. You might have untapped power. Watching me having a crank from Stanford?

That's insane. Oh my God. Oh, what's he doing? Not again. Put the sock down. Wow. That is, so they actually have people, subjects, at Stanford. Stanford right now that can do this.

This is the claim. The claim. Now, again, it's difficult. It's difficult to verify. Well, there's many people. We're about to talk about him. Yeah. 1948, Poharick establishes the Roundtable

foundation at Glen Cove, Maine. And he opens an enormous seaside estate called Warrington. You can still go visit these places. And it's not just like a bunch of like random crystal chicks that are like trying to make this happen. He starts getting... There maybe was a nice way to spend a week. Get a couple crazy gals out there, give him a nice full brim hat and have a couple cocktails. Clothes are so much.

unnatural. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, free the nift. What are we even doing? Yeah, let me shave that pit a little bit, but sure. And basically, people start donating and, like, funding this. And it's not just like random crazies. So you ever heard of FDR? The president? Well, his vice president is a guy named Henry Wallace. He's a big financier. And then you have Alice Bouverie. She's one of the heiresses to the Astor family estate. And then you have Arthur Young, who's also financially supporting this whole endeavor because he's so curious about it. He's the engineer behind the development of the Bell helicopter. So these are the people involved in this. You have a legit doctor scientist that went to Northwestern that has a ton of credentials and patents. And then you have

all these other very wealthy, successful kind of aristocracy of the United States putting their money behind it, trying to figure out whether the mind can communicate without a normal sensory input. Pretty crazy. It's awesome. I wish our modern day rich people, like I wish our current billionaires were more focused on stuff like this. This would be more fun. Imagine Elon Musk was like, yo, did Dreamcatchers work? Yeah, exactly. He's just like buying Twitter

and like Bezos is sending women to space and everyone's doing peptides. It's like, why don't you figure out? Sending women to space is close. You think so? You're like, dude, can chicks deal with space? Can you? Yeah. What happens to boobs in zero gravity? Yeah. It's like

not far off. Find out. Not far off. Yeah. So. Yeah, he was engaged in some remote viewing. Yeah. It was crazy. Perry went to space before we did. It is. It is, but she is a firework.

Yeah. And, I mean, now she's with, uh, she's with Trudeau. It was Trudeau. Also. First brown guy, she's dated. I like that. Thank you. Thank you.

And that works on a few levels because, you know, he obviously did brown face, but also he's the son of Fidel Castro. Also that. Yeah. So, that's a double up right there. Yeah. So how do we test this, Joey? Great question.

Basically, you need to create a Faraday cage. So he taps knows of this guy. named John Hayes Hammond Jr., who's another great inventor. And the two of them are like, okay, maybe this is working based off like electromagnetics. So let's put one of these so-called psychics into a Faraday cage, block out all the other electromagnetic stuff, basically put them in like a yonder bag, and see if they can somehow make it work. And they put a psychic inside.

They start testing them and they're like, okay, maybe if we block out all the noise, we're going to start hearing the signal. They get this first girl, Eileen Garrett. And she's an Irish ESP expert. An Irish psychic is a, hilarious. I always assume it's like a Jamaican lady, you know, but no, it's just hoity to 82. I see a fatty in your future. You're going to die of lack of potatoes. So that's what they're thinking. And shockingly, it kind of, it kind of works. They suggest, at least from

Pujar's own documentation, that she has, once again, higher than average recall inside the Faraday cage doing this remote viewing tactics, specifically like coin flips and like drawing things into different envelopes and guessing. Did you just hold any yawn? Dude, why would you call that out? I did such a good job. Was this something I'm doing? No, it's great. That's why I held it in. Involuntary. Well, now I have to yawn. No, no, you don't. You have to hold one in. Okay. Is that how it works? It's contagiously being held out? Okay. Well, turns out they're like, well, maybe it's not that The electromagnetic is like, maybe it's not propelling it,

but maybe there's other noise interference coming for these psychic signals, so we put the Faraday cage in to block it. That's what they're thinking. So then where does the nine come in? What is this council of nine, right? Like, so far they're doing like, what seems like a pretty grounded experiment? Well, Pujarak kind of discovers the nine kind of on accident, but he's not the first one to talk about it.

So Theosophy, have you heard of this? Helena Blavatsky. She's like a great sort of mystic from Russia from early 1900s. And she starts developing this kind of idea that there's hidden masters around the world, like hidden wise people that have untold knowledge, secret knowledge that like are slowly guiding things. And so there's that kind of like happening

in the background that people are vaguely aware of. And then there's a guy named Talbot Mundy that publishes a novel about nine men in India secretly guarding, secretly guarding dangerous ancient knowledge and then also influencing human civilization. Why they're in India? I can't say. That's where they're at.

It always ends up there. Everyone's always thinking it's a mystical, you know, and maybe it is. I don't know, I haven't been. All the top CEOs, Indian. Yeah, that's maybe, yeah. Americans of the nine. America's kind of doing that.

They're like, dude, we need a Indian teacher. A secret. Yeah. A secret Indian teacher to get over here. Yeah. And it's also sort of connected to this guy named Nicholas Rorick.

Nicholas Rorick is a Russian mystic. And he's also tapped in with Theosophy. And he has a very prominent American disciple who writes him letters all the time saying, dear guru, give me guidance. That guy's name, Henry Wallace, FDR's VP. So FDR's VP during, like, his whole political career is, like, not only funding these telepathy experiments, but also going and talking to these wise Indian gurus, or Russian gurus being, like, Hellman.

Didn't people just get mad at Tulsi Gabbard for this? Wait, what do you mean? They found out she's, she's, like, been consulting, like, a cult leader on some. some of her, on some of her like foreign policy decisions and things like that. She's like Loki and a cult. She no longer has a job. Well, and. But what does she have, though?

A community of people that'll want to fuck your spouse. Yeah. That have never let her down. I barely know this story. I don't know 100%, but I do believe that that has been happening. Oh. I just think like maybe, yeah, I don't know if anyone who has a guru should be allowed to office. I think it's like political office should be a non-gourouro's.

A Hawaii-based religious group founded by conservative spiritual leader Chris Butler. It's called the Science of Identity Foundation. And by the way, by the way, but let's pause here. Chris Butler, also known as Siddhaswara Pannananda. Now, do we think Chris Butler looks like a Siddhaswara pananda? Or do you think that sometimes white boys get to fetishizing India when the second they start feeling a little nighish? No, it's a nickname, dude.

Sidiswar Patananda. It's short and catchy, dude. Yeah, I love that. Citizwaris Parananda. Yeah. My name's Chris, but you can call me Sidaswaris. We get a picture of Citteswara Pottananda. He's a white guy.

There he is. White boy with a... Yeah, and now he's shaving the hair. He's North Indian. Yeah, yeah, real North. He's probably Punjabi. Yeah, north of India. England.

Oh, I love it. That's giving me my second act. If comedy doesn't work out, just so you guys know, I'm going to be a fucking the suit of Sua Rparan. Have you seen the documentary Kumade? No. It's an Indian dude who's like, how hard is it to create a cult? And he basically, like, creates a whole philosophy,

documents it gets all these leaders, or gets all these followers, and then kind of forms a commune. Yeah. And the whole time, he's like doing cutaways, being like, it's working. It's so, I think it's so easy because people are missing something. And if you tell them you have it, they will be excited no matter what, because no one wants to accept that there's potential randomness. Yeah.

And the top end of like the, the, cult pitch is like pretty strong. Well, there's a lot of good things in there. Like if you've been living, if you've been, you know, a little dirty, you've been a little dirty guy, you've been fucking drinking, doing meth, dude, you know, who knows? And then all of a sudden someone's like, what if, you know, a few things I could teach you, eat healthy, try and be a good person. Community, purpose.

Meet a partner, treat them well. And like, you do these things. Sounds great. Holy shit, I've found the way. What's the catch? I'm fucking your wife. Ah, yeah, dude. You got to let Sruiswra parunana.

I'm not a plus, you know. It is. I knew nothing's free. I know. Yeah. It is a tricky thing because you're like, I kind of get it. Yeah. So guru free's on maybe, maybe the office. But we'll see. But how did Henry Wallace deal with it? Well, he has his own sort of history of this. It seems like it wasn't really that public for a really long time and only came out like a little bit later.

Yeah. But he's not the only person that's interested in what Pujarak has got going on here. Because eventually the military gets involved. So, again, this comes from Paharik's own testimony. It's difficult to fully fact check every single independent detail here. But he claimed involvement in an early Navy psychic research effort called Project Penguin. Like that. The actual name.

Yeah, that's good. You could think, maybe call it Club Penguin if you want. Sure. And that's its own thing. Now, there's an entire catalog of, like, ESP research in the military. So you've got, like, MK Ultra, Stargate, Blue Beam, all these different, like, grill flame, like, all these different things where they're trying. They, the, kind of the consensus from like modern academic scholars, they're like, during the Cold War, people were doing crazy stuff. They thought the Soviets were cooking up a spy program of psychics.

So we were like, we have to. We got to do it. So it became a psychic arms race. Yeah. And they're like, they put in. Two and five Canadians will hear the words, you have cancer. That's why every step and dollar raised matters. On September 19th, joined thousands in Toronto for the Princess Margaret Cancer Foundation,

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Now, according to all the official sources, they're like, eh, it didn't really work. Right. But that's not what some believe. Is there anything we wouldn't do if we thought our enemies were doing it? Nope. Yeah, I don't think there's any. And that brings up a whole other round of conspiracies, which is like, well, what if there are people who just want to do this, who just say, you know, China's going to fucking do this? Yeah.

Well, we have to do it all the time. That's how we exist. We hear a journalist like falls out of a window in Russia and we're like, yeah, you know, that's Russia. Of course that's going to happen. Yeah. And then a journalist goes missing America and they're like, what happened? Yeah. And it's like, what?

It's the same. We're all the governments are the same. We do bet. We should, but the thing is that, but I don't like this argument because it allows people to be the same. And there is some bullshit that we tell ourselves that's like American exceptionalism, but like I think it's actually good to hold those things. things as ideals even when they're not true. Yeah.

That's why I don't love it when people are like, oh, it's exactly the same. We do it too. It's like, well, let's not. Yes, that is the correct answer. Let us define ourselves as different. But I'm saying we shouldn't pull the wool over our eyes anytime something happens to like an American journalist and we're like, maybe he just fell asleep. Yeah.

It's like, well, no, we do dastrily things as well. Well, in fact, have you heard about the, uh, the, like, lawyer who just got killed in Ecuador who was investigating the boat that the Trump administration blew up. I did vaguely hear about this. Yeah. And how a lot of the people from this boat came back with the same story of specific torture that might be at the hands of U.S. or U.S. mercenaries. And then that Ecuadorian prosecutor is no more. But we wouldn't do that. But we wouldn't do that. But if Russia did it, they obviously did it. Yeah. China did. They obviously did. It's probably still Russia. But we definitely did. Yeah. So my thing on this is I think we should not blow up random fishing

boats and then kill prosecutors in other countries who are investigating it. What if your guru tells you to do it? If my guru though, if Siddhuswara-Padunandah told me to do it, then I would do it. Maybe you hear me out. And let him fuck my wife. Look, I'll blow up this fishing boat, but you gotta do me of solid and bang my wife. So yeah, exactly. Yeah, it's a different day.

Exactly. And it all smells like fish. Okay, moving on to Club Penguin. So the military gets interested, allegedly in Paharik, around. around like the 1950s. So summer of 1952, Lieutenant Colonel John Stanley from the Army Psychological Warfare Unit visits Pujarak's operation.

And then Pujarak eventually sends his findings to the military contacts. And then in November of 1952, Pujarak goes to the Pentagon to present to them. Basically, this guy, Lieutenant Stanley was like, hey, this is pretty wild, you gotta go talk to the boys over at the shape. And he goes in there with a paper that says, this is the title of paper.

An evaluation of the possible usefulness of extra sensory perception and psychological warfare, which is a pretty solid title. Yeah, at the Pentagon, that'll get the boys going. Interesting working title, right? If you hear that, you're like, I'm interested. Who's on the project? I'll show up for this seminar.

Yeah. Who's the EP on this? Like, how do I get involved? Yeah. And the logic here is like, look, even if 99% of psychic powers are BS, what if the Soviets are investigating the 1% we have to get involved to? And if remote viewing works once,

then we're in massive trouble. Because what if they're able to get one hit and they're actually able to see one of our missile silos or one of our nuclear weapon placements around the globe? That could be disastrous. And all of a sudden,

that one view is worth billions of dollars. So that's kind of where they're going. So he does the presentation in November and then New Year's Eve, 1952, the story here explodes. He becomes close with a guy named Dr. D.G. Venoed. Dr. Vinod is a Hindu scholar from India And Paharik claims that when they first met,

Vinod goes up to him and they're kind of chitchat and he's like, so you're a, you're a psychic. Again, Pujaharik is like, still a scientist, but open. He's a sort of a skeptical believer, you could say. And according to Paharic, Vinode grabs his ring finger and then describes extremely detailed, intimate, and personal details of Pahorick's life. And at this party, he grabs his hand and he goes,

your mom's name is this and she had this type of illness that she never told anyone about. you only found out after she died, then you never told anyone. And then da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da. You fell in love with this girl, but then you never saw her again, you're heartbroken about it. And Paharic kind of came away from it being like, holy shit.

This is the real deal. So then he calls a Venoed and goes, hey, get your ass up to Maine, buddy. So then December 31st, 1952, Vanode goes into this Faraday chamber and starts entering into a trance and starts speaking. And from Poharic's perspective, he starts speaking, as this other entity. He has, like, another consciousness basically receives the signal of his receiver brain and then starts transmitting a message.

And the message is, like, kind of these principles that there is an eternal collective intelligence that exists beyond ordinary human existence, working beneath the creator, sort of like the monad, like, universal consciousness. And it's helping guide the evolution of all civilizations and all humans. and they're not like ghosts. They are like the admins of the universe. Crazy. Yeah. That's what his story is. He's like, dude, this guy came in, started just explaining the secrets of the universe.

I don't know what to do with this. Now, the Wi-Files went deeper, and they said there was another seance in June of 1953, where Pujarak supposedly gathered nine people at the main estate. And they had one person that was supposed to correspond with each of these nine entities. Now, eight are described as like wealthy, connected, interesting, open sort of mystics, and then Puharag is the ninth. And Vinod acts as the channel. And so during the seance, each one basically grabs a different thread that is reminiscent

of like Hindu initiation ceremonies of like the Brahman sort of priest when they become a part of like the spiritual tribe. And the nine participants are then supposedly like they pick up the thing and they receive different messages about transforming civilization. And this is the part of the Y file's kind of connection. So I haven't verified that independently. But this is a part of apparently Park's additional sort of research into trying to figure out what's really going on.

So it goes even further. Now, these nine are not the nine, but it happens to be nine. There is, the nine. Nine intelligences that are going through. Right. But you said he gathered nine people. He gathered nine human beings to basically then communicate with each of the nine. That was his thought.

And will they rip an ayahuasca? Are they just vibing? The word is for most of these, maybe later there's like some drug use that we'll talk about, but generally it was sober. But they're just able to lock in. Doing meditation.

Doing meditation. I don't know, breath work. I don't know how it works. I've never experienced this. Yeah. But, 1953, Pujarak then joins the Army Medical Corps and gets assigned to Edgewood Arsenal, which later becomes infamous for U.S. military experiments

involving thousands of soldiers and substances, including LSD, mescaline nerve agents and other psychoactive compounds. So now he's joining the legit, like, military site where they're doing a lot of, like, the medical mind control sessions. And this is where it's like, this is like on the record, where it's like, yeah, he was actually a part of this as a scientist, doing, like, consciousness as, like, a weapon.

Like, it's crazy. Now, this is where things go even further, more into, like, the drug lane. In 1954, Pujarik hears about this Dutch sculptor named Harry Stone. Harry Stone has a crazy story. Crazy, right? There's like, there's no way this is real- Hairy-fire. Yeah, that's sick.

This stone's a bit airy. It sounds a bit airy. Maybe we'll clean it up a little. Yeah. Not a Dutch accent. But I imagine he's probably, you know, study. He had a place in London, certainly, right? Sure, yeah.

My Dutch accent's much worse also. Yeah, how you do that? It's kind of like, no, I just want to go like, Hansen, Fronson. Yeah, Dinkendorkin. Yeah. It's a little tough. But I can say a couple of things in Dutch.

Really? I'm not. Is that your guru name? No, that means I'm thirsty. Damn. I spoke Dutch for the first three years of my life. That's not true. Mm-hmm.

Who speaks Dutch? My, like, babysitter, caretaker, neighbor who lived next door and watched my brother and I taught us how to speak Dutch. Said, like, airplane. Fleetach. What? Chot for Dama. I never knew this about you.

It's goddamn. Well, yeah, but then I went to school. And then it's just, you know, white. And now I can't really speak it anymore. But I still like chocolate and ice skating. And ovens? Yeah, and ovens. You got scared there for a second.

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Now, this guy apparently is handling like Egyptian artifacts because he's a sculptor. He's into these Egyptian artifacts. You're trying to recreate them. And like, this is part of his art thing. And apparently, without any other type of experience in this, he starts, having like these weird sort of metaphysical experiences and like having these trances. And he goes into one of these trances

and identifies the entity taking over him as Ra Hotep. That is supposedly an ancient Egyptian entity. And Ra Hotep during one of these sessions with this guy describes consciousness as being separate from the body and that there is a sacred plant that you can use to communicate with spirits and gods and this general consciousness that you're already technically a part of.

And Pujarik hears about this and determines that it is Amanita Muscaria. Mmm, the red mushroom, right? The Super Mario mushroom. Yeah. And this is Christmas is supposedly based off of. That's what they say. Yeah. And it's the classic red mushroom, white daz.

You've probably seen a picture of it. And eventually, experiments with this, like, learned that there were altered states that you could get into using this medicine. And Pujarak is like, I think it has a connection to psychic function. And then that contributes. to the book The Sacred Mushroom in 1959, which is like a super famous book. Now, at the same time,

CIA is also digging into mushrooms. So roughly the same time that Pujarak is learning about all this, this guy, Gordon Wasson. That's the best job to get at the CIA. There's so many, like, horrible CIA jobs where they're like, you gotta go fucking, you know, do whatever.

Kill this guy. Yeah, ruin this wedding, do whatever, all this shit, go to someplace you didn't want to go. And then it's like, you get to be a trippy fun guy. Yeah, yeah. To go to some fish shows. Literally, a trippy fun guy. Yeah.

Look at you. Yeah. That's kind of fire, right? Yeah. This guy's a JPMorgan executive who becomes obsessed with mushroom use in 1955. A lot of those these days. Yeah, he's the OG. Yeah.

He participates in a traditional Aztec mushroom ceremony with a healer named Maria Sabina. This woman is like kind of an ancient shaman living in Central America that kind of preserves the entire ritual when a lot of the sort of mushroom ceremonies were like suppressed. She's like one of the few people that preserved it. And part of the reason we know anything about mushroom ceremonies or even like how to do mushrooms is because of her. Shout out. And this guy went down there and figured it out.

And then around the same time, because of him, a CIA researcher named James Moore gets involved. And he gets funding for a mushroom expedition to go down there and start collecting all these mushroom samples and analyzing them. And it's underneath a thing called the Geistikr Fund. And that is a subcategory of MK Ultra Subproject 58. So, MK Ultra is a legit project.

Underneath that is this Geshdicker fund, and that fund is legit doing mushroom expeditions, going to Central America trying to figure out, can psychedelics change our consciousness? Yes. Crazy. Yeah. Which, I mean, in my personal experience, they kind of can. Yeah, yeah, firsthand.

I've done the research. You can get buck out there. Yeah, I was recently in Joshua Tree. I communed directly with the desert spirits. It was crazy. Okay. I didn't even take that. that many. I just took a little bit and I was just slumped under a rock out there and I was like,

oh yeah, we're with desert spirits now. And what did you hear about? It was a lot about how beautiful and connected the entire universe is and to really not worry about life and death because you're part of something bigger. But then also because I was in the desert, I would get these like, almost like spidery like visuals and like, I was like, oh damn, these are the desert spirits. I didn't know about them. Whoa. But it just felt like some Joshua Tree shit. Sick. You know?

Yeah, it was pretty solid. It was tight. Yeah. We're all just waves in an ocean, you know? Yeah, dude. You see us for a moment. Are we not part of the ocean still? Yeah.

You can identify the individual waves, but when we come when we crash. Yeah. We had a good time. Pretty sick. Yeah. We should do it again. We should. And we might.

Foreshadowing. Now, there is a crazy detail here that if you are slightly skeptical, this is going to be the biggest source of skepticism in the whole thing. That is a very fun irony. Buharik is working on a technology. At the same time, again, he's a patent guy, inventor, yada, yada. He develops a technology capable of transmitting sounds through dental bone conduction mechanisms

and literally gets the patch in 1965. So the public use is like, hey, this is a hearing technology. If you can put like a transceiver in your teeth, you can kind of use like jawbone technology to then hear through your molars. Whoa. Cool thing. Yeah. He makes it possible.

Now, that's the public facing thing. Can you guess what the military use of this? Fucking put in your teeth. Secret communication. Yeah. And not only see your communication on you, but on someone else. So, like, hey, we're going to send a spy somewhere. We need to communicate with them over distance.

We're going to send a radio wave into their molar to then talk to them. That's fucking insane. Patented technology. Now, what if you're able to flip a dentist for some dictator in the Middle East? You get him on your side. Yeah. He does some dental work. says, hey, we got a root canal, puts in a little receiver,

and then all of a sudden, that guy starts hearing voices. Oh, shit, going crazy. It is a real technology that was patented freaking six, seven years ago. Whoa. Where is it at now? Who knows? Crazy. That could have been dictators of, like, random countries just hearing like,

you should suck FDRs. Literally, saying whatever. Make him weak in the knees. OG impractical jokers. Yeah. Yeah. Ask if she's pregnant. Yeah.

Ask if she's pregnant. And he's like, I don't want to do it. I don't want to say it. Damn. Yeah, crazy, right? They were doing impractual joker's vibes on scientists. And then in the last episode we did on this, we brought up Lucille Ball.

Oh. I love Lucy. Yeah. And she has a famous story where she's talking on the Dick Kavit show. Don't say it. I'm not. And she talks about... Just dick and ball hanging out.

Come on. That does it do it. He's like the Jordan penis jokes. It's truly unbelievable. I mean, he's like... Pump man. He's 10 for 10, dude. It's crazy.

And she basically says that she accidentally discovered an underground Japanese spy network by driving over a spot and hearing Morse code in her gold molars. What? Because she had fillings and she was like, yeah, I heard this. I reported to someone. They investigated it. It turns out it was a secret Japanese bunker where they were sending Morse code. Jesus.

Crazy. She literally had dental fillings that acted as a crystal radio to pick up audio broadcast and transmit them via bone conduction. What the fuck? So not only is the patent real, but there's also anecdotal kind of independent. Yeah, this isn't even about using that technology. It's just about what your molars can do. Accidentally, if you have some feelings, all of a sudden you pick up a signal. Damn. Now, we're going to introduce another character of this story. In 1971, Buharik goes to Israel to meet a 24-year-old mystic, a guy named to Yuri Geller. You ever heard of Yuri Geller? You ever heard of Nope.

Super famous in like the parapsychology world. Mm, not my beat. He claims that he can bend spoons, he can stop watches, read minds. It's always the spoon. He's the guy that they love to bend the spoon. He pioneered this. He's the spoon guy.

He's like, if you've heard of spoons, you've heard of you're a guy. I've heard of spoons. And basically, Pujarak like, kind of like regresses him. And you have to keep in mind for like, basically 15 years, Poharok was like doing the stuff and the psychics that wasn't really working. And he kind of stopped a lot of the research. He was like, it's not,

giving me the signals. Like some of the psychics are working, but he loses contact with Vinode, this other Irish mystic, she's not coming back. And I was like, all right, the case has kind of gone cold. But then he hears about Yuri Geller, brings Yuri in, and then the voice is returned. Picking up change from across the room.

I can hear money. I can sense an opportunity. Oh. That's just a fun show for the friends out on. Yeah, I know. It's such a low-level stereotype, but, you know, whatever. God bless the tribe. God bless everybody.

We love everybody here. It's just too funny, right? Just funny. So basically, the voice is returned, and Yuri Geller starts going through this process with Paharic at a young age, while he's also proving his psychic abilities on, like, a global stage. He goes on, you know, Johnny Carson and allegedly is able to bend the spoon with Johnny Carson, and stuff like that. And also, he starts talking.

to this entity, this spirit again, and starts communicating more stuff about this intelligence that Poharik did not know before. One of these things is that there is apparently a whole civilization of this intelligence that exists beyond our reality. And Geller is the chosen representative at this time, because they claim that his abilities are basically implanted

from childhood and that he's there to be the receiver of this information. So, Nuri Geller now comes the United States, goes to the Stanford Research Institute and researchers helped put off Russell Targ and then the Apollo astronaut Edgar Mitchell helped do research on him and he undergoes experiments using hidden images like remote viewing sealed targets like remote viewing and then possible psychokinetic effects like Ben Spoons and stuff like that and eventually Targ and put off published their results which are

like hey there's an above statistically random accuracy that this guy has that seems very strange they publish it in nature in 1974 this is a massive sign publication and it is you know it's not like in some random like alien pamphlet it's like in a proper thing and it becomes like massive news everyone's reading about it everyone's like holy shit this is crazy an actual scientific publication research that came out of stanford is now saying that remote viewing is confirmed that's crazy and then apparently skeptics all come out and then one of the main things that people are are pulling at is they're like did anyone check eury gillers teeth because they're like okay

Pujarak and Geller are working together. Pujarak also has a patent on the teeth thing. Could be feeding him the information. So now people are like putting in all sorts of skepticism around this. Poharik is like, no, I didn't, I'm just a developer. I do this on the side. There's no connection. Right.

And as a result, Geller starts becoming super famous, but also distancing himself from Poharik and creating a little bit of distance. Because he's like, well, I don't want to be associated with this guy if he's bad for my brand. Right. And so then that's another ripple to this whole thing. And then it goes even further because then there's this guy, John Whitman.

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She's a trance medium that's able to do trances. And she eventually starts to begin, like, channeling an entity known as Aitum. Aetum says that he is the Egyptian creator god, and that says that there are nine other gods. So there's Atom, Shu, Kefnut, Geb, Osiris, Isis, Set, Nefthesis, and Nut. These are the gods. Yeah. And they call themselves the Aeneid, which is literally like Greek, like N-E-A, which is nine.

It is nut. It's N-U-T. N-U-T. Okay. That is the Egyptian god. Yeah. That controls our life. Yeah, well, that's true.

Yeah. You ever big control Biden up before? Yeah, I know. I get that. You've done some dastrily things. Yeah. And so through this channeling that Parag is involved with, there's a bunch of revelations that come out. They claim connections to ancient Egypt and the sphinx and that there's secret burials underneath the sphinx paw and like extraterrestrial experience with all these ancient civilizations and all this crazy stuff, basically like ancient aliens vibes.

And then somehow that story gets even better because there's a guy. that is at all of these channeling sessions. Whitmore brings him into this circle to watch this woman like basically be the receiver for these entities. And his idea is like, oh, this is pretty cool. I've already worked on some film projects. I'm going to make a movie about this council.

So he sits in and he takes notes and he starts questioning the channelers and he's like talking to the intelligences and the entities like claiming to be an advanced intelligence associated with like ancient civilization and all humans. And that guy's named Gene Roddenberry. The creator of Star Trek. Oh.

So pretty crazy little term events. Now, he started Star Trek in 1969, and then Star Trek was kind of like, you know, struggling. And then he ostensibly is involved in this sort of like medium process and then uses that as inspiration. So Star Trek gets better after he communes with the mediums? People dispute this. Right. Like, for example, AJ from the Y file says that apparently Roddenberry is a little bit skeptical and kind of unimpressed with this whole, like, trance thing.

He's like, doesn't really believe it. But then he ends up naming one of the characters in Deep Space Nine, in a, like, one of the characters from one of his worlds. And he names him Vinode based off of the very first Hindu scholar that was involved in this whole thing. Yeah. So some people are like, oh, it's just like fun trivia. Other people are like...

Yeah, and sometimes you're just pulling from, I heard this, and I don't know if it's true, but it's a fun story. It's a good illusion. Yeah. You know. So basically from this, later sessions produce an entire cosmology where they're like, There's God. God is not a guy with a beard. He's a unified infinite consciousness. And there's now like an organization chart where like the nine basically oversees 24 civilizations. So God was like,

we got to build this org out. Yeah, of course. We're going to need an org chart. We're going to need some structure. It's just a business. God's a CEO. It's a consultant. Yeah. Exactly. The guy kind of just kind of makes things work. He wants to retire a little bit. He wants to spend time with his son who just got back. Exactly. He's looking for an exit. Yeah. He's like, I just want to spend time with the family. Yeah, he's going to sell it to a different drive. Exactly. You gotta, yeah.

So who can buy this? Everything is an acquisition. Yeah. Yeah. That makes sense. I think consciousness could be an IPO. If you understand M&A law, you understand the universe. You understand everything.

Truly. That's what it is. And so there's a bunch of civilizations. There's Altea. That's apparently connected with Atlantis. There's Ashon, which is connected with non-human intelligence. There's Hova, which is supposedly deeply connected to Earth's development. And they include a bunch of claims about, like, the ancient

and Israelites and Jesus and like early human seeding. And this is all coming through in these trances apparently. Right. And according to this worldview, Earth is one of the few places with genuine free will. Other civilizations have to operate with like a universal order, but humans are like, nah, which is why humans and the Earth is so important because we have like ego and fear and violence and greed that all these other civilizations don't have to deal with. Oh.

So according to again, Pujaharic's like work with this medium is that the aliens are waiting. And like, this is the cosmic revelation. And their advice is just like, hey, we should all meditate. We all need to take responsibility for our actions. We have to protect the planet. We have to generate love, promote peace. We have to pay attention to geopolitical conflicts, specifically the Middle East. And we need to raise our universal consciousness.

And then that is when, ultimately, the nine will come back into full communication with us. Crazy. It's always a comeback. Yeah. Now, the YFiles makes a connection here that I think is a little. bit of a, it's a little bit of a road, but it gets to JFK. Ah. So, this is kind of like a bonus rabbit hole, all right?

JFK loved a road, but he died doing what he loves. So there's this guy that named Arthur Young. He's the Bell helicopter engineer. He supported Poharik and, like, funded to his initial thing up in Maine. Arthur Young is married to Ruth Forbes Payne Young. And her son is Michael Payne. Michael worked at Bell Helicopter with his dad and the whole thing. And then Michael, Michael's separated wife was Ruth Payne.

Now, this is a different Ruth. But Ruth Payne's best friend is Marina Oswald, the wife of Lee Harvey Oswald. So Marina eventually moved into Ruth Payne's house in Irving, Texas. The Oswald rifle was stored in that garage. And so Ruth Payne also helped Oswald hear about the job at the Texas School Book Depository. So this whole chain here is like, you have like a Council of Nine Circle, Ruth Forbes Payne Young, her son Michael Payne, his wife Ruth Payne, best friends with Marina Oswald, Lee Harvey Oswald, and then kills JFK.

God damn. So maybe the aliens want JFK dead. I don't know. Kind of a run here, but that's... Yeah, yeah. It's hard to... Well, it's hard to connect any of it, right? I mean, it's like there's all, there's many, many stories of people saying, hey, I

finally figured out how the world works and the line between you're a lunatic who lives on the street or you're part of a conspiracy or you're literally regarded as a profit is very thin. Yeah. Yeah, that is fair. Yeah. Now, back to Baharic. He then gets a New York operation where he's like, I need more people to help channel more information about this cosmic consciousness. He's like at this point full here. Is he a good question? Yeah. He's just giving single energy. Can we get a fact check on that? I bet you'd bet you'd He's got a wife, but maybe it's a lavender marriage. Some point the wife would be like, enough.

Yeah, I got, how about you communicate with me? Yeah. How about that? Yeah. How about we take a trip to Amalfi? Yeah. How about we experience Italy for a little bit? It is hard, yeah, you can't really, you know, decode all the secrets of the universe

if you're just getting pummeled off sprits in the Amalfi coast. Yeah, it's definitely gonna, you know, affect your pineal gland. Oh, he's married to Rebecca Albán. And, uh... And Anne Israel. And who were the, okay. Oh, bro. Oh, spouses?

Let's go to spouses. Yeah. Okay, so Virginia Jackson, Rebecca Albin Hoffberger, and then Bep Herman's. Virginia, I assume, died. Is that what the red text means? I don't know. It means there's a Wikipedia page. Ginny Jacks.

But maybe she... Oh, okay, yeah, that makes sense. Well, it's looks like he only got divorced from one of them. Yeah, so maybe she passed away. Well, God bless. Yeah, shout to her. Hopefully he found her in the afters. Pulling up for the homies?

Yeah. Jenny. How cool would that be if reality and constance just had one big after? I think that's what heaven is supposed to be. Just an after. The ultimate. The ultimate afters. Everyone's vibe and everyone's there, but you never get sick of being there.

That's the worst part about the after is it's like 6 o'clock and you're like, I got to go home. Yeah, some dudes is yelling at you about something and you're like, I want to, you just reached the like, what am I doing? But the sun starts coming up and you're like, this is crazy. And you're like, I might as well stay here. And then you're thinking about like, should I get food right now? Yeah. And this guy's just talking about like, you're a yeller and aliens and you're like, my right.

Yeah, you'd be a menace at the afters. Oh, yeah, that's why I don't get. And we'd be like, we just play a game. You're like, no, dude. Secretitious. Remote viewing. So, Biharach's like, I need to come up with a way to get more mediums. So he develops Lab 9.

And then he's like, wait a second. As we get older, our ability to sense sort of extra sensory abilities. Our ability to actually channel these things gets calcified. And so there's a big sort of theory amongst a lot of these people that, like, kids have a natural sense. So he gets, like, roughly 20 kids and teenagers that become involved, and he names them the space kids. And I don't know if I'd let my kid do that. Sometimes he calls them the Gellerlings. Okay.

And the kids, according to Paharik, they remote view the Kremlin. They remote view the White House. They receive advanced information. They communicate with extraterrestrials, materialize objects, and some of which allegedly teleport. He even claims that several kids physically arrived at his property through teleportation, which the only evidence we have here is Biharck's own testimony for the record. Yeah, this guy's a little, a little too locked in to trust his personal testimony. It's also a little tough to explain that in a court of law. Yeah. Like, look, these kids teleported

in my house. I had nothing to do with it. Yeah. The judge is like, all the way to the island. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's, yeah. That's, That's a little suss. He's a little... He's a little too deep in the weeds. But it is interesting. I do understand this concept of I do think that as you're like, what is it, your frontal cortex develops and you become like so hyperlogical, you lose touch with certain

things. Like, I think a lot of people's most mystical experiences happen younger. People even are better at making music when they're younger because they're more tapped into emotional things. Yeah. I mean, if you look at like famous musicians, almost very few of them put out their seminal works when they're old. Now, that could be us not liking old people.

Yeah. But it could also be not being tapped into the, the Gellahoozy, what's it, even though you're more technically sound. Yeah. But people talk about this all the time where, like, little kids will, you know, talk about past lives, but they're like, you're my mom, but I miss my other mommy. And they're like, what do you mean your other mommy? And they're like, oh, the mom I had before you.

And apparently, like, kids will say this, like, not infrequently. And they'll just like make little comments like that. And it's like, did you see that from a TV show? What's your wife going to do if your child says that? Oh, I'd be so stoked. You'd be stuck. Fight a psychic kid, yeah. Yeah, you'd be like, come beyond the pod.

Yeah, be like immediately, okay? Put an emoji over his face the whole time and let him do the pod. Exactly, get a phone book, sit down and start yapping. Yeah, dude. Tell me about the aliens. What would your wife be pressed by that? Um, I don't think she would be like... She wouldn't be too upset.

I don't think she'd be pissed, but I don't think she's going to be like, great. I don't think she's going to send him to... I'm gonna fucking beat that your old mom's ass at parenting. How about that? Yeah. I don't think she's going to send him to Paharix's space camp. of space camp. But kids also say shit that makes no sense. Also true. You know. That's reasonable. Yeah. They'll be like I'm a fire truck.

And we're not like, holy shit. But maybe in his past life. Children's wisdom is beautiful. Maybe in his past life. Yeah. He was spraying protesters in Selma. That's maybe. It's possible. Maybe we never know. You can't say. So then tragedy strikes. 1978 at Pujarik's property in Austin and New York. That pretty I was that right, Austining? Yeah. Not in the original episode. A lot of people called you out on it.

I'm sorry. Basically, everything burns down. And the police report concludes arson. So like the lab, the notes, the recordings, all the research material becomes destroyed. And Paharik is convinced the CIA destroyed this. Now, according to the Y files and the research that AJ did, he states that Poharik was away.

The children were in the house and they escaped, but the family dog died in the fire. And also, Paharik already published major parts of his story before the fire. So, like, not all the CIA evidence was destroyed. Right. Or not all the evidence was destroyed by the CIA. And, yeah, this is like just a piece of the whole kind of puzzle. So he goes to Mexico for a period of time and then goes to Europe for a little and then eventually goes back to North Carolina and passes away.

God bless. Yeah. Hangs out in Mexico City. He's like, there's some probably mystical things going on here. That's probably awesome. Yeah. Yeah. But once again, these channeling media.

don't stop. So we did an entire episode on the raw tapes, RA, not R-A-W. I was gonna say, I see NUM. And that creates a whole thing of like the law of one, where there's another trance medium that interprets like an entire like full-on philosophy over like 158 recorded sessions from this entity claiming to be raw. And there's a whole thing. They eventually ask raw about the Council of Nine because they hear about Pujarq's research and raw during a totally different trance session, the park's not involved with, says the council exists.

There's nine members. Their guardian function is involving Earth, and they are associated with Saturn, and they operate beyond ordinary time. They're associated with Saturn. Perhaps it's where they live. That's where their connection is. That's their symbol.

Who knows? So we think their physical beings just posted up on. I think we can see Saturn pretty well. Yeah. You know. Maybe they're on the rings. I don't know. It's possible.

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from the campsite sent you. Now let's get back to the show. So let's go through some theories, okay? Like, Paharach's whole life, as well as the raw tapes and all that stuff. Possible theory A, something actually contacted them. Conscious maybe is non-local. There's a higher intelligence out there. Humans are interpreting those intelligences through, like, culture.

So like Egyptians are like gods. And then Christians are like angels. And then the modern person is like interdimensional beings that we're communicating with that's like an ancient consciousness. That's one. another one is that the human mind is collaboratively building a mythology. So maybe no one is like consciously lying, but like one medium says something, another person kind of interprets it, a researcher writes it down, someone reads a book, another medium

channels like another similar thing that she or he thinks. And then all of a sudden the repetition feels like confirmation, but no one is remembering where this original idea comes from, kind of like a meme. There's also like psychological experimentation, right? like there's powerful institutions that really did investigate, hypnosis or remote viewing and, like, psychological warfare. So the question's not like, did the government really do this? Because they did.

The bigger part is like how much of this is, how much of this mythology is overlapping with those projects? And like, is it possible that like we're tying in a bunch of different threads here to kind of like form one cohesive theory? Yeah. Could be any of us. Could be any. Well, I'm, where are you at?

Generally, I'm going to say, I think, I don't think consciousness is just in our brains. I think it's got to be out there somewhere. Like, you take mushrooms and you're like, dude, we're all connected. This is crazy. Right. So that's a, that's a thread, right? I also, like, believe in God.

Where I'm like, okay, well, there's something else out there. There's something going on. So we're not, we're not the only things, you know, thinking in the universe. So then it's like, is it possible to, like, fully receive information from outside our consciousness? Like, remote viewing? I'm like, I'm going to give, like, a 51% likelihood. where I'm like, I think low-key, one person maybe could have. But I can't just tell if I want to believe that.

But I also look at some of these research docs about the U.S. government, and I'm like, there's something going on. Yeah, it's very, there's very clearly something that we don't understand. And I think that in our attempts to grasp something that is beyond us, sometimes we report through, it could be, you know, years of storytelling or whatever. we report things with full certitude, like, hey, I figured it out, and none of those end up being reliable. Yeah.

But they're all trying to describe the same thing. Like, the one feeling I've got every time I've, and sometimes I just take shrooms and like vibe, but like the times that I've done it and like felt like, oh, I'm like experiencing some sort of other realm, it's always this thing of like, everyone is trying to describe something, but there is no way to fully describe it. And so whenever I come back and start describing it,

even that is imperfect. Right. But if you're trusting that whoever went over there to experience something is reporting back the exact thing, and then you get dogmatic about those exact words and lessons and whatever, then you end up getting into territory where, like, some of it was probably true and some of it's probably false, and then scientifically none of it adds up.

Yeah, exactly. But it's all, like, experience is also such a hard thing to try to. Like, all I can land out is like, oh, there's something. How do you describe, like, the experience of, love or like any other type of like subjective experience. It's like I can't be in your brain. You can't be in my brain. Right. Right. So it's like how do you even you like you can't even really know that. I remember thinking about this like since I was like five years old where I was like my brother liked orange juice and I didn't. And I was just like, what if it just tastes completely

opposite to us? Yeah. And we're having the same thing but our experience of it is so different. And even as I grow, get older, and like it, it could be. Who knows if it's totally different? Yeah. There's no actual way to guarantee it. And so trying to, like, put a scientific process, which I get the need for scientific methodology, but on like... It is important because otherwise you can't take any of this shit to the bank. No.

But even still, there's limitations to the process where you're trying to describe this subjective psychedelic experience. Right. And science has been very wrong in the past about certain things as well. About some things, right? But it's, you know. So it's... It becomes like hazardous in that way. But then the fact like the military is interested,

the governments are interested, other people are like using this kind of stuff. Like the Nazis were using the Pendulum Institute, trying to like find, you know, American ships out in the Atlantic during World War II, pulling psychics out of concentration camps being like figure out where the boats are. Again, did it work? No, the Nazis lost. But there's something in there where I'm like,

I can't imagine all these people are doing this for no reason. Right. But I've never experienced it, so I don't know. But I'm like, there's something. Now, as far as this specific case, like, is it possible Park was, like, straight up channeling something? It's hard for me to believe what I haven't seen, you know? Yeah. Like, without, like, actually being there, it's, like, hard for me to be, like, this is going on.

Now, I did talk to a friend of mine just recently, grew up in a cult. And in the cult that he grew up in, there was one of these trance mediums. And that was, like, the leader of the cult. And he would go to these trance sessions, like, once a week. And the medium would receive messages from a forlonged, sort of like human that was like a nobleman, like a doctor back in the day, and was also tapping into like, basically like this universal consciousness

and like sharing truths about the universe. And I asked him straight up. He's a very smart guy, very nice dude, and like a very like, generally like analytical, reasonable human being. Like if you met him, you'd be like, oh, this is like the most normal guy. Yeah. And he was like, sometimes it was true for me and sometimes it wasn't. So he's like, do I know for a fact that like this whole thing is BS?

No. but do I know for a fact that it was 100% true? Like, also now. So even someone that went there, he was like, I don't know what to make of it. Yeah, but you know, if you're tapped into the infinite truths of a being who knows the full reality of the universe, you should be batten 1,000.

You would think, right? You kind of have to be. Yeah. You can't be batting 500. Yeah. You know? But then I'm like... But then it's like...

It's imperfect. Maybe some of it is good information and you're tapped into something. and then sometimes it muddles up. And then as a possible at the medium is like, yeah, exactly. Is it possible the medium is like getting messages sometimes, but then sometimes not? And it's like, oh, man, I kind of got a-

Yeah, it's got a line. Yeah, I kind of got a line. I got, no, I was up late. I didn't have time to receive transmissions. Yeah. So now I got to kind of phone it in. Yeah. Then you had the telepathy tapes on top of that.

You should listen to that pod. Yeah. Where it's like these kids with autism that apparently have telepathic powers. And you're like, there's no way. Then you start like hearing the studies they're doing. You're like, what is it going on? Yeah, I heard there was some thing.

I haven't viewed the source material, but I heard there was some story about like a detective who partnered with, who was very skeptical, like, didn't believe any of this shit, but he was working on these cold cases. And then he partnered with the psychic and like immediately solved a bunch of them that he would have never been able to find any other way. So what's going on? But then it's also like I'm driving down the highway and there's like a fucking shack that's like, I'm a psychic. And I'm like, okay, well, you're probably not. for $20 you're a psychic? I don't think so. Yeah. I forget the name of that

specific case, the woman that did that. Yeah. But it's another crazy one. It is also the TV show psych. Something is sometimes true and you want to have a rigorous scientific mind about things. Because the problem is if you're too easy to believe, then you can get let astray.

And more often than not, people who are claiming this ability end up being full of shit. Yeah. But that doesn't... And so being skeptical feels good because you realize you're not a mark or whatever. No offense. Was that? No offense.

But over skepticism, I think, can end up reading to me just as dogmatic. Yeah. Like, I have friends who are, like, very confident atheists. And I'm just like, you know, I'm not religious, but it's like, someone who's like, I'm pretty sure there's no God. I've checked. And I know for a fact. And then someone who's, like, super religious and is like, I'm pretty sure my God's the only one.

And like, you know, why? I'm like, yeah, I'm like, I'm pretty sure I'm right. Yeah. Pretty sure how I've been thinking about everything is right all along. Yeah, I'm a little... Just do your best. I'm a little averse to, like, certainty, right? I'm like, there's too much, like, weird stuff for me to believe that, like, what we can see is the only thing that there is.

But I'm also... A lot of the smartest people in your life have no problem saying, I don't know about that. Yeah, yeah. But then also... Yeah, you could, because they're being rigorous with themselves and saying like, yeah, I can't say for sure, I don't know. But also a hyper-dogmatic believer that's like, dude, God's real and actually I've seen him.

I'm like... So intoxicating. But I'm like, maybe. Yeah. Yeah. I hold it. I reserve a little bit of... And it's easier to trick the weakest people when you have the strongest statement.

Yeah. It is pretty compelling, especially if you need something, you're like, hey, I talk to God and he actually only talks to me. So if you want to talk to God on the path. Right. And we don't have to make this political, but this happens in politics, too. People will fucking promise you the world and be like, this is how it is. And it's like, just finally, someone's just saying it.

Yeah. And then they're just full of shit. Yeah. I don't know. If you could do remove you in, would you try it? Absolutely. Would you try past life regression? Oh, like checking back on my past life?

Yeah. The first day I got it, I'd probably just be in creep. Remote view, you can see anything? No, remote viewing past leg regression is different. Wait, wait, remote viewing what? Remote viewing is different than past life regression. Past life regression, so you can see your previous life. Exactly.

This is under the supposition that reincarnation is real. Yeah, let's say it, I don't know if I'm a reincarnation guy. I have no idea, but like, I don't know. It seems like this is like the biggest cop out, but part of me is like, that'd be a little, it might be too intense. What if you look back at a pass life? You're like, whoa. Hey, stop doing that to him.

He's a good kid. I was Hitler? Yeah, yeah, exactly. That's tough. That's tough. And then all of a sudden, you're like bringing that up on a first date. You get a few too many drinks in yet. It's like, how was your week?

You're like, I found out I used to be Hitler. I'm not anymore. I'm not. I love everyone, but I used to be. Girls are like, I am undownloading hinge immediately. I don't want to do this at all. Yeah. I liked him.

I liked him. He has a good job. He has a good family. very attractive. Crazy what he used to be Hitler and he's not six feet tall. Red flag. So those two were deal breakers. Literally a red flag.

The reddest flag you can imagine. Literal red flag. Yeah, that is a little tough. I don't know. I feel this way. Like I have a friend, really good family friend, super close, love her to death. And sometimes we would like get together. We do like a family Christmas party every year and she's mystical and she would do like a card reading. You know?

And I don't really believe in any of this shit, but like I don't really believe in any of this shit. but like I love her, so I'm like, okay, she wants to do the card reading. We'll do the card reading. And we did it like a couple years in a row and like it was like kind of intense and like ended up being kind of spot on. And so it just got to the point where we were kind of like, she's like, should we do cards? And we're like, let's just do a shot. Twister? Just do a shot?

Do twist her. She's good. Yeah. But I don't know. I don't know if I believe cards or if I'm like, does she just know us and she just know. But a lot of, she just hit on a lot of shit. And some of it is, some of that stuff, I think, is built around, there is some sort of narrative storytelling built into all this stuff

that I think kind of like tricks the human brain and especially when you're hearing about yourself. It's kind of exciting. And it's like, you're going to have a big year, but there's going to be personal stuff too. And you're like, no shit. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's most years.

Yeah. But I don't know. It was enough that I was like, I don't, you know, maybe let's just keep it chill. That's how I feel where I'm like, okay, part of me is like just me filling in the gaps. Yeah. But then I talked to a guy one time. Like, this is a very high earning CEO guy that I know. And he went to a business intuitor. That's her job. Yeah. She's like, I'm not a psychic. I'm not a medium. I'm an intuitor. And he was like, okay. So he gets on a random Zoom call with this girl and describes intimate details about his life to such a degree that he's like, I don't know how you know this. She did? Yeah. And she like gets deep into his life and starts giving him advice about stuff that he never asked. for and was like, and again, this is like a academic Ivy League educated, like, wealth

manager that manages like hundreds of millions of dollars. And he walked away from being like, I don't really believe in any of this stuff, but it was a very strange afternoon. But like, so does like Nardwar, you know, like, he's, like, he's, he's, like, he's, he's, like, he's, he's, like, he's, he's, like, he's, like, he's, like, he has, like, he's, he has, like, some tricks, but people think some of it is also just, like, finding people in your life and doing deep research. Also possible. And if I was doing it for CEOs and the value of that client was high enough, I might engage in some private investigation and shit like that. She might just be, she could just be a hacker. Yeah. Well, gets into his phone. I had another friend that was like,

you know how some comedians are super good at crowdwork where they can just like know things? Like, they just are like, oh, you have this name, so you're probably from this place. Yeah. And you're probably of this religion. And you're probably dating a guy and your parents don't like it. And like, You're able to, like, deduce things with extreme certainty. Yeah. I was talking to a friend, and I was like, what do you think's going on with this? And he was like, I wonder if these people are kind of like that. Or they're like, oh, you're a high-powered CEO.

You're probably stressed. And also, your marriage isn't perfect. And also, you miss your kids because you don't spend a ton of time with them. The dirty little secret of crowdwork, too, is those people picked the clips where they look like a genius. Also that. They're not showing you the clip where they're like, ah, okay, you're from Wales, huh? And they're like, nope. And they're like, next.

Yeah, moving on. The next guy. Moving on. Forget this ever happened in. And as someone who posts a lot of crowd work, I know. Yeah, you just post the shit that hits. No, obviously I'm the best at it. Yeah, of course.

What's your star son? What do you think it is? This is the other thing is. Everyone who has ever told me they know all this shit about horoscopes and like I could be, I'm on stage talking for an hour. They've known me for years. I ask, they never know. They're never right.

Aquarius. No. That's a random guess. I don't know anything about horoscopes. I need to know, Capricorn. Well, do you want to know your daily reading? I would love to. I will also tell you this.

I, the funniest thing about Capricorn, too, is I'll be like, I don't believe any of that shit. What do you think I am? And they'll, like, guess three things. And then finally I'll be like, I'm a Capricorn. They're like, of course you don't believe it. Capricorn's never believed it. You can't do that.

Yeah. That's... Well, Capricorn. You can see where a loved one has been going wrong, but they are still blind to the realities of the situation. So they will have to learn from their own mistakes while all you can do is be ready to help pick up the pieces. Yeah, that's probably true for everyone right now.

Well, what's yours, Chris says? I told you the last episode, you don't remember? Virgo. Leo. Last day of Leo, so you're kind of close. All right, ready? Yep. Here's yours.

It's good to listen to advice, but sometimes the best advice comes from within and what your inner voice tells you over the next 24 hours will personally provide the answer you've been looking for for a personal problem. It could also be pure gold financially. Sounds like I'm pretty awesome. Yeah, that's also great advice for everybody. It's just good advice to take.

Does that connect with you? Over the next 24 hours is a little urgent, but you're going to get rich, dude. That's also the Virgo horoscope. It's not, that's not Leo. I read a different. By a day. Oh, so you're close. This is all just good advice. It should be on a day calendar. Yeah, listen to yourself, believe in yourself. Like, this is great. And so that's where I'm like, and this is where it goes a lot of this shit that's non-scientific but like probably helpful. Yeah.

What's yours, Mark? You want to, are you ready? Yeah. You're says you're a big fucking bitch. Yeah. Why all caps gay? You will push yourself too hard and you can strain yourself physically and have to sit out the fun and games over the weekend. Ignore what others say, ignore what others say you should be doing and embrace the lazy Libra tag, which is actually far from true.

I would not be surprised if he made that up because he doesn't want to have fun this weekend. I think I don't even know if that's true or if he saw the text for miles before I came in that was like, anybody eating or drinking tonight? And Mark was like, hold up. Let me just mix this in an hour and a half into the pod and be like, I got to lay low this weekend, guys. Look, dude, the scales of the sky said I got to take it easy. What can I say? What can I say? All right, well, one other thing for you.

What about hypnosis? Yeah, also skeptical. Really? Yeah. That's one that I'm like, I don't know if you. It is weird. Like I have seen like at shows. Mm-hmm.

Like hypnotists go up and do shit that like works. Yeah. So like there's something to it. I know there's like hypnotherapy. But like I don't know. I did crowd work. Two and five Canadians will hear the words you have cancer. That's why every step and dollar raised matters.

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No, he was a hypnotherapist, and he was explaining how it's, like, helpful. And then I was like, do you do it? And he's like, yeah, sometimes, so it's a little expensive. Whoa. Well, this is the thing that I don't get, though, because, like, I read a book about this. Reality is Plastic.

Mm-hmm. And it's an interesting book about the philosophy of hypnosis, where it's like, I think there's one tier, which is basically like fake hypnosis, where, like, a guy goes on stage, and he's like, you're a chicken. And the person that pretends to be a chicken and it's kind of doing like improv.

Yeah. And then there's another level where it's like, I talked to a guy that got hypnotized during a stage show, and I was like, what happened? And he was like, it felt like I was kind of in a dream where like I knew where I was, but for some reason what he was saying made sense, but it doesn't, obviously, when I look at the video,

but like, in the dream it made sense. You know how things happening in dreams? We were like, we had to do this thing and like, I don't know why, but it was super urgent in the dream. Oh, dude, I met gnomes in my dream the other night. And what they talked about? about. Well, first of all, I was like, these gnomes can't possibly be real, you know, the skeptics. So then I fucking dapped one up and it was crispy. I was like, yo, dude, now I'm dapping up these gnomes.

So I was hanging out with these gnomes, but like we were waiting for my mom to get home from this camping trip and it was taking forever. And so the next thing I knew, I was on like a daytime talk show with the gnomes. And it was just kind of like TV with the gnomes. What was the, I don't remember what had. That was kind of it. And then the next dream I was just ice skating. You want a viral clip? That's your viral clip. That's a viral clip right there.

So what do you do for words? You make cookies in a dream? Interesting. Interesting job. The gnomes. Yeah, it was cool. Most of my dreams are usually just about like baseball, but this one was fun. You have baseball dreams?

Yeah, because the worst is that, because I played baseball in high school and I thought I I was going to play in college and that didn't work out. And so I wonder if that's what the symbolism is because there's so many times where I'm playing baseball and I'm so excited because I get to go up and hit. And then I'll wake up right before I'm going to. get to hit. And I'm so fucking pissed. Because baseball is such a long game and really you're just trying to hit. That's all life is. That's all life is. Controlled by a nut. Shout out to Nut. Shout out to Nut one of the nine, dude. And if I don't Nut, I might as well join ISIS.

Two very different gods. Very different gods. Very different entities. Isis is big no nut November. That was kind of their whole thing. And then nut, I mean, kind of self-explanatory. Yeah. So, yeah, I guess with hypnosis, like, I don't know if I feel like it's connected to some deeper thing, but I do for sure understand that, like, people can put people into, like, sleepy, suggestive states. Well, there's also these cases that happen all the time of sexual assault during hypnosis. That's not nice at all. Crazy. But that, to me, indicates, like, something's going on. Yeah.

Where, like, these people are truly not... Investigate, hypnotists. Yeah, I mean, oh, your job is that you... control people's bodies against their will. Yeah, that is. Damn. But, like, there was a specific case of a woman that was leaving a hypnotic session. Comedy show with Bill Cosby.

Yeah. There was a woman that was leaving him. You're getting very sleepy. I can't know what it sounded like Borat. Fuck. I thought it was going to come out. It was very nice. The pudding pop and you're getting sleepy.

Yeah. If you don't start with put and pop, it's hard to stay. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. He is a doctor. He is? Dr. Huxable. Yeah.

Who was a gynecologist. Dr. Foxtable. Oh, my God, he was a gynecologist. Is that true? That is absolutely true. And do you know where his office was? In his basement. That's not good.

That's not good. Yeah. He was an OBGYN. And he ran a medical practice out of the office on the ground floor of his family's Brooklyn Brownstone. Well, that's not great. There are scenes of him in the Cosby show walking upstairs with gloves on being like, what you're doing, kids?

And like throwing the gloves down and then like eating a sandwich. And it's like, dude, you had those gloves on for a reason. A little wash. It's a little sketch. It's like, yeah, you don't want to shit where you sleep. Yeah. But there's all these cases of like women that claim to go in for hypnotherapy trying to like quit smoking. They come out of these sessions and they're like, my bra feels weird.

What the hell? And then they go in with a secret camera and they discover they're getting assaulted. And then the guy goes to jail forever. And there's like, I'm glad the guy goes to jail. Yeah, I mean, most of the time, some of the time. He starts hypnotizing dudes in jail and blasting them. Yeah, exactly. That's fucking crazy.

But there's all these cases. There's a guy in Michigan, 24, 73-year-old hypnotherapist who was convicted of first-degree sexual misconduct. And a jury found him guilty of a sexually assaulting woman while they were under hypnotherapy. 2026, a self-topped hypnotherapist went to trial for assaulting 14 women and investigators discovered that rather than relying purely on a trans state, he was sleeping, flipping pills into their mind. So that one does exactly. Just the date rape hypnotist?

Yeah. That is insane. It's crazy. Like what, like how effed up is that? These people are evil. It is horrible. And then on top of that,

this one is a crazy one. I've never even heard this one before. Lawsuit settles for $600,000 for families of three teens who died after being hypnotized by school principal. What? So principal Kenny was not a licensed hypnotherapist. This is coming from the DeMore law group. So I'm assuming it's true.

And, uh, He had been warned against hypnotizing students. And he had hypnotized many of the, before he hypnotized them, he had been told that he had to stop practicing hypnosis. This should have disqualified him from being principal. You would think, right? Hey, this is, we're going to give you three warnings. Yeah.

You got to, hey, first of all, you can be principal of the school if you stop hypnotizing. We heard you're still hypnotizing, and we would sternly like to say, cut it out. What if he's hypnotizing a bad kid for not doing bad things? Right. Did it ever work? But wait, so kids died under hypnosis? What did he have them do? That's what I'm trying to figure out. Three students. Kenny was his last name. Yes. I thought they were just calling him principal Ganey. 2011, three students at Northport High School in Florida die within weeks of each other from being hypnotized by their principal. So this 16-year-old student died by self-harm a day after the hypnosis session, another student died in a car crash after being reportedly self-hypnotized,

a technique that he learned from Kenny, and then a 17-year-old student died by self-harm after receiving hypnosis for test anxiety. So what's going on with that? Could be a coincidence. That like, hey, these are some kids with some troubles and I'm going to help him. He self-hypnotized while he was driving, which that's probably not a good idea. Not a good idea. But who knows? Maybe there's something with like disassociating someone's brain while you're hypnotizing them. Just a day after hypnosis. Not great. Uh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Not great. No. But I'm like, there's something with hypnosis that I think is a little real. Something with hypnosis. We get a picture of Kenny here. That's a good question. George Kenny. There he is.

Down. Oh, Jesus. That guy down. Scroll down. Dr. George Kenny. There he is. There he is. Just fucking hypnotized in kids.

Crazy. Now, what if he had an Indian name? I would follow him. If he had an Indian name. I would go with him till the end of the earth. I think if he was principal, Shuga-Waranananda, then people would be like, look, he, it's not his fault. Yeah.

He's just trying to show him the light. Yeah. All right, so let me ask you a couple questions just to button this thing up, shall we? Yeah. As far as non-local consciousness, then maybe there's some type of consciousness outside of us. Do you give it like not that weird or still pretty weird? I would say not that weird.

I think I ever the fence sitter, I think that consciousness might be both. I don't think that we're maybe just an antenna only receiving consciousness from outside. I think that there's very clearly some level of it that is, you know, exists within, natively within the brain. But I do think it is probably possible to connect to something else. And I think that us not knowing what that is is what leads to a lot of our differences of opinion on religion, matters of the extraterrestrial, what happens after people die, these sorts of things. Yeah. Because it's unclear. But I think that we all feel like there's something. We just don't know how to describe it. Remote viewing, one person being able to find a. target hundreds of miles away and being able to see it weird or probably solved it's weird

i this one i have a harder time with i'm not as read into it as you are but i i find difficulty imagining that that's been repeated in a scientifically provable space uri gell or benning some spoons weird or you think we got that one i don't know about yury i don't know about yury or dr pooh Yeah, what about Pujarak channeling these nine entities and basically performing seance to communicate with the gods that control all civilization? Again, I would say no on that one. I'm not saying that the nine isn't real,

but I think that the nine have a lot of other experiences that people have claimed that contend with them. And it's like maybe you clocked in with these nine, but the Greeks were clocked in with different gods. People have different gods for things. I don't know. Maybe they're all the same nine, though. Maybe. Maybe.

I don't know if the names are right. Yeah, I mean, do you follow? I don't know about nut. Yeah, I don't know about nut. Yeah. But where do you fall on it? I just don't know anything, dude. I'm trying to figure out the secret teachings of the universe.

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Yeah. I bet you someone, maybe a couple people did it, maybe Ingo-Swan, maybe even Yuri Geller at times. and they did something where they were like, we don't know how this is possible. Yeah. And I think maybe a couple. It's rare. Yeah. As far as like hypnosis, I think there's some versions of hypnosis where people are truly outside of their brain and they're not really, the lights are on and no one's home. As far as Puharic channeling nine entities that are actually controlling the world and

one of them is raw or something like that, or like A-tum is like hanging with a council and they're guiding all civilization. I'm gonna say probably not. Yeah. I believe that he believes it. I don't think he's a lot. I don't think he's a lot. I think that that's an experience. And I think the altered states of consciousness, whether you're achieving them through psychedelics or extreme meditation, which can get you there, it will make you feel like you're commuting

with some real outside entity. But then I think people have this need to come back and be like, I figured it out. I have met the entity. I have met the God. And now that I have figured this out, we can take this out, we can take, what I'm saying is fact and build truth surrounding it, I think that's where we get into trouble.

Yeah. Like, I do believe that they experience that, but again, it could be the, it could be the, you know, creative depths of our own mind. It could be that you're communicating with something else, but there's no way to prove it. Yeah. So directionally, it feels true, but if we're going to take claims this extreme as fact, it's kind of tough. It's kind of tough. Because if we're really saying we know this for a fact, it would need to change how we're conducting all of our That's, you just even, I think, put it better than I did. I think it's a great way to look at it. I view like someone that does like a transmedium ship

or like communicates with an entity the same way as I look at someone telling me a crazy mushroom story. Yeah. Where I'm like, I don't doubt that you saw something. Yeah. And I don't doubt that it was transformative for you or maybe even gave you like inside as to like your own consciousness or maybe the universe at large.

But I'm just gonna kind of take it as like an interesting story, file it away in the anecdote cabinet and be like, that's pretty interesting. Yeah. But I can't draw a conclusion. Yeah. I can't live my life around this. And if we knew these things were true, then you should.

Yeah, exactly right. You know. Joey, where can the good people find you? The good people can find me. Joey Avery on every social media. Joey Avery.com is where my tour is at. I have a ton of tour dates through the end of the year. Very fun, new hour.

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