Camp Gagnon - The Most Vile Betrayals of All Time

Episode Date: June 10, 2025

Traitorous Bastards! Today, we explore some of history’s most deceitful individuals—those who betrayed their countries, peers (for financial gain), or communities (out of spite) in the heat of battles and wars. On some occasions, they even betrayed three countries at once…WELCOME TO CAMP 🏕️Shoutout to our sponsors: Cymbiotika, Morgan & Morgan and BluechewCymbiotika: Go to https://partners.cymbiotika.com/CAMP for 20% off your order + free shipping👕🧢 GET YOUR CAMP DRIP HERE: https://campgoods.co/🏕️ Get Today In History Email Here (Free): https://camp.beehiiv.com/🎟️ 🎫 Comedy Tour Tickets Here: https://markgagnonlive.comMake Sure To Follow @History-Camp Shortbus Guest: David SanchezTimestamps0:00 Intro1:12 Shortbus Passengers, Job Hunting and ranking backstabbers 3:59 Benedict Arnold 11:13 Marcus Junius Brutus18:45 Doña Marina, Malintzin aka La Malinche26:14 Jonathan Wilde34:50 Mir Sadiq39:13 Robert Newton Ford aka “dirty little coward”46:37 Vidkun Quisling53:05 Harold Cole58:43 Eddie Chapman1:04:52 Juan Pujol1:09:54 Francisco Pizarro1:14:43 Robert Hanssen1:23:30 Aldrich Hazen Ames + the Jordan Stache1:32:14 Go See Mark On Tour

Stealing from the elderly, committing tax fraud, kicking a pigeon. All of these things are immoral, unethical, evil, but none of them are as bad as backstabbing. That's right, I've talked to many gangsters, professional criminals on this show, and all of them will tell you that no crime is worse than being a rat. Backstabbers have shaped the fate of empires around the world, and today we got a list of all of them, baby. That's right, we're going to be ranked at the greatest backstabbers in history. I mean, we got everyone from Brutus, who murdered Julius Caesar, his close friend and confidant in a thirst for power, inventing the term backstabing.

We've got Benedict Arnold who betrayed the American Revolutionary Forces and even led a British army to try to take back America. And we've even got people like Vidkun Kisling who sold out Norway to the Nazis. I mean, these people are very evil, but who is the most evil? Well, they're going to have to tune in and find out. So if you are interested in the darkest, most evil betrayals in history, this is the episode for you. So sit back, watch your back, and welcome to camp. What's up, everybody? Welcome back to camp. This is a show where I explain the most

interesting, fascinating, controversial topics from around the world and from all times to my dumbest friends. And oh boy, today we got a real helmet junkie, all right? We got David Sanchez. What's up? Enough. Gabe, how are you doing? Glad to hear it, my friend. I don't have my dumbest friend today. So you, at home, the viewer sitting at your cubicle or your shitty job, you can be my friend. I don't know. It's probably a shitty. Most jobs are shitty.

What's the average job of your listener? I think the average job of most listeners of podcasts are probably like you work in an office. Okay, but what job? Every job's in an office. Most jobs. Probably financial services, probably wealth management. You think? Right minds that are, that are fucking managing the money of this country or listening to

camp? If you look at the demographics of this podcast, it's primarily, 10 blocks south. Life insurance salesman at best. There's people cold calling 73-year-olds talking about their life care policy, life insurance policy. There's a lot of stockbrokers.

There's a lot of wealth management people. A lot of Goldman Sachs employees. And also a lot of con artists. There's an insane amount of con artists. And then there is just a healthy amount of schizophrenics. Everyone comment what they do in the comments, please. That'd be great. Comment what you do.

Also comment what you want to do. And if maybe I can pair you up with the job. Wait four years. and I'll hook it up. Yeah, I did that for David. David was walking around lost as hell. Hey, man, I just need some advice. I just don't know where to go, man.

I just, I think I'm destined for something great. I can just feel it. I was like, yeah, dude, I don't know. Anyway, guys, also there's some slight construction happening outside. That's going to be mitigated shortly, so bear with us. Is my collar popped, yes. Am I wearing a camo soccer jersey? Also, yes.

More importantly, there's merch available at campgoadso. We have hoodies getting restocker. any minute now. We also have whiskey bottles, barrels. Today we have an amazing topic. The greatest backstabbers in history. David, can you think of any off the top of your head?

Miles McCrary, for one. Yeah, let's get a fucking huge miles in the chat, please. Benedict Arnold's like the catchphrase. That's a classic. Do you know what Beidix Arnold ever did? Didn't he? He was like espionage, right? Wasn't he given our

secrets to the Brits or something or the vice versa. Oh, so naive. It's a good question to be honest. I have no idea because I didn't do the research for this. This was done by my dear friend, Zach. Shout out Zach. Good old southern country boy from Tupelo, Mississippi. He's a Protestant, but I still love him. And he did a lot of the research, so I'm going to be learning along with all of you at home. Okay. Now, let's begin with Benedict Arnold. This was a famous backstabber, a turncoat. During the American Revolution, 1741 to 1801, Benedict Arnold quickly established himself as one of George Washington's best generals. Realizing the strategic importance of security New York, Arnold mustered a group of men and headed toward Fort Ticonderoga. Coordinating with Ethan Allen and his Green Mountain boys, Arnold helped capture the fort for the Patriots. Arnold suffered two battle wounds for the American cause in 1776. The first in a failed attack in Quebec, and the second at the Battle of Saratoga. See, a failed attack in Quebec. That's what happens. French Canadians. Shout out to y'all. Arnold believed the Continental Congress insufficiently rewarded his efforts,

especially considering his sacrifices after being appointed Brigadier General. Arnold watched as Congress passed him over for the promotion to the post of five, of Major General five times in favor of his subordinates. Ouch! See, that's what happens. People are underappreciated. What do they do? They get crazy. Arnold had every intention of resigning from the military following these outrages but not for Washington's insistence that he stay. He was rewarded in 1777 with a promotion to Major General

and opposed as military commander of Philly. Dude, you're a commander of Philly? That's sick as hell. He was already... Philly people were already scumbags back then. It's insane. Wait, what do you have against Philly? We're going to keep doing this every episode.

I don't like Argentinians and I don't like Philly fans. They're obnoxious. Speaking of which, Benedict Arnold's behavior eventually came to frustrate his relationships with other continental officials. He feuded with several officers in the Continental Army. John Brown, James Easton, probably heard of those guys. Benedict Arnold lived extravagantly in Philadelphia and also engineered a variety of business deals that earned him a reputation for questionable practices in his desperate desire to impress Edward Shippen. Who's Edward Shippin?

He's a wealthy Philadelphia loyalist so that he could marry his 18-year-old daughter Peggy. Peggy, that's like such an old name. Peggy. Is that short for anything? Can we search of Peggy's short for anything? Peggathus. Peggosaurus. I don't know. Peggy is just such a wild name

to like name your daughter. Margaret? Peggy is a common, well-known nickname for Margaret. Let's break this down, shall we? What the fuck? How is that possible? It's like, how do you get Dick from Richard? Yeah, let's give me...

That's a wild statement. You just got to ask. I mean, that's... crazy. How do you get pegged from Margaret? Let's look down. Unlike Daisy and Peggy, it's definitely easy to see what a nickname Maggie comes from Margaret. Yeah, that,

what's kind of fucking over the years, Maggie morphed into Meg and Meg, likely because of accents changing vowel sounds, that continued to transform Peggy and Pegg, which we know today, simply based on the trend of creating nicknames that rhyme, same as Bill from William. All right, so he was lobbying this guy so he can marry his daughter.

and although he successfully secured Peggy's hand, Arnold's extravagance and imprudence ultimately drove him deep into debt. Continental officials could not confirm Arnold's suspected betrayal until 1780 when hard evidence of his treason was uncovered. The Americans captured Major John Andre, Arnold's British contact, who was in possession of paperwork revealing Arnold's treason. After receiving command of West Point 1779, Arnold willingly provided the British with vital information for taking control of West Point.

Andre was executed for his crimes while Arnold managed to escape to England. Arnold would continue to serve in the military. Only now he served the British agents against his former countrymen. In December he led a force of British troops into Virginia capturing Richmond and laying waste

to the countryside. Arnold would die in 1801, leaving behind him a legacy of America's most notorious traitor. So he was a soy boy that didn't get promoted and then... Yeah, this guy's just a scumbag. He's trying to bang out this girl, drives himself into debt to live a lifestyle.

You know what I mean? Trying to keep up with the Joneses. I get it. Trying to act like someone he wasn't, okay? Which that is really the, I think the core, the lesson here. Just be yourself, guys. And if that means you gotta marry

some dog ugly girl, that's life. That's fine. Is there any girl that you would betray your country for? Because she looks like a fucking piece. Look at that. Oh, Peggy Shippin.

Batty. I mean, she got absolutely I mean, did Ben and Arnold draw this? What is the other one? Go to that one. Yeah, come on. Oh, you can see some cleavage. She's hot.

Yeah, she's a whore. Are you kidding me? She's a northeastern wasp whore. She's a standard issue bar skank, and you're going to trade out your whole country for that girl? Gosh, you probably stink. I mean, box is probably crazy, though. So he got passed up for promotions,

and then he was trying to get Garner some credit with this loyalist and wanted to fuck his daughter. and in doing so put himself into debt. Yeah. And then with that debt, I guess he needed a little bit of a deal. And then I'm assuming that the British probably paid him. Oh, I get it. This guy gets a bad rap.

I mean, I get it, but also, like, don't go into debt. Other people wanted to debt didn't sell out their country. And it's not like he was just some low-level guy. He was basically about to be major general. And then not only did he sell out his country. Like, that I can understand. Sure, okay. You're in a bad situation.

You sell your country. He's leading a charge into rich. for the British. Yeah, but at that point, you got to dig in. Like, you're already a turncoat. You might as well play it. You don't have to dig in. You could go to England.

But you're not going to go back to it. You and Peggy, did he stay with Peggy? Can we figure that out? Because that's also this scumbag girl. Don't wait. She's a nice lady. She eats well. We got to see, wow.

I mean, okay. After Better Donald's defection to the British, Peggy remained together and move to England. Wow. even though they did face challenges in societal disapproval. Now, you get the reputation as a turncoat, but you get a lifetime of box from Peggy. Yeah, living in London. I guess maybe it's worth it.

Yeah, it's probably living in fucking Camden Town. He had seven children. Oh. Peggy died of cancer, huh? RIP. That's crazy, dude. I mean, that is a fascinating tale. Kind of a beautiful love story.

I like Benedict Arnold. No. You can't, look, it's one thing to sell out of your country with intelligence. It's another thing to start a raid and try to seize Richmond. You can't seize Richmond. Okay. You can't do it. I'm anti-Bedict Arnold.

Okay. I'm pro-Benetic. Who do we got next? All right. Also, should we rank him? How many do we have? We have like 13. Okay.

He goes at 13. No. I think, dude, he led a charge against the Americans. I don't care. How is that not an important detail? if you're going to go into a country. I think we've got to put him like eight. Okay, I can do eight.

We can put him at eight. All right, let's do another one. Do you know any other famous turn coats? No. Gabe, what do you say? You fucking genius. Et tu Brutei. The words uttered by Julius Caesar

after he was stabbed in the back by one of his closest confidants, Marcus Junius Brutus. Brutus was born 85, BC. It says here in the text, B.C. I don't say that. I recognize that Christ is the one savior of the universe.

He was born in Rome, and although there's many unanswered questions about the true identity of his father, it's believed to be the Roman commander Marcus Junius Brutus. The elder Brutus surrendered to Pompey the Great and was executed. His mother was an outspoken, outspoken Servia, step-sister, the prominent orator and statement Cato the Younger. That's interesting. he was accompanied he accompanied Cato to Cyprus in 58 BC

the historian Plutarch wrote that Brutus was proficient in all facets of Greek philosophy with particular fondness for the Platonists the students of Plato Barry Strauss in his The Death of Caesar wrote that his study of philosophy had added depth and garnered respect and allowed him to tap into time-honored ideals

and so he began his career into politics with Caesar's defeat of both the king of Pontius in the east and his success against Cato and Pompey, the Roman commander had entered the eternal city of Rome and a Roman triumph. Hailed as a hero, he was awarded the title of Liberator, named the father of his country, and made counsel, counsel for 10 years. With the overwhelming support of the people and the Roman Senate, Caesar initiated a number of reforms. Although praised at first for both his military skill and leadership, he gradually began to create fear in the minds of many people of those inside and outside the Senate.

he came to believe he became more of a divine figure than a ruler. So this is right at the moment that like the end of the republic, the beginning of the empire of Rome where like the emperors were taken over and Caesar was the first one to be like, hey, fuck this republic shit. I'm running, I'm ruling for all time. I am God. Okay. Gradually inching away from the traditional values of the republic. Even though the Roman people believe that they no longer had a voice as their beloved Rome was quickly becoming under the rule of this tyrant, the seeds of conspiracy were born. The four principal leaders of the plot were Gaeus Tribonius.

Was that your nickname in high school? He organized the siege of Massilia and fought with Caesar in Spain. Decimus Brutus was one of Caesar's former commanders. Gaius Cassius Langenus, Muhammad Ali. Muhammad Ali was his other name.

And then Marcus Junius Prutus. With the leadership established, they had to decide where to attack. On a highway, public space, while he was walking home, maybe a gladiatorial game. Finally, he was decided to attack him during the session of the Senate to be held at the theater of Pompey. The date would be March 15th, also known as the aides of March, you fucking idiot.

That's not a thing. The aides of March, you never heard of this? What is that? This is the... Without looking at your screen, what is the aides of March? The aides of March was the day that Julie Caesar was murdered. March 15th. If he left on his campaign, he would become untouchable.

Away from Rome and surrounded by his loyal army, the attackers had to strike quickly. they even chose their weapon, a double-edged dagger, a pujillo of about 20 centimeters. Eight inches, you could say. It's not that big. Double what, wait, what? That's not that big of it. Eight inches?

Yeah. It's normal. Soft? It's average. Before we continue, we have to remember. Brutus began his climb on the Curisus Honorium, the sequence of Roman government offices. As Caesar took his seat at the theater of Pompey, there were 200 senators in attendance that day, along with 10 tribunes, slaves and secretaries. Simber approached the unsuspecting Caesar

and handed him a petition on behalf of his exiled brother. Simber grabbed at Caesar's toga and pulled it back. It was a signal for the others to attack. Casca dealt the first blow with his knife. Caesar immediately tried to defend himself by raising his hands to cover his face. The remaining conspirators surrounded Caesar. Lastly, Brutus approached, drew his dagger,

and took a couple jabs at Caesar. Ironically, Caesar died at the foot of the statue of Pompey. Oh, wow. Is it Pompey or Pompey? Pompey, I believe, is the former, what was it, Roman monarch? Or maybe he was a senator, I can't remember. But yeah, Brutus, apparently one of Caesar's boys. They were friends for a long time.

But yet, wasn't enough to stop him from taking him out. This is a back stat, but it's not like this, it is a huge betrayal, but like none the worst way. It's not crazy to me because it's like, yo, Caesar was trying to become a god. He was trying to become emperor forever. So at a certain point you've got to be like, this guy's trying to become a tyrant. When you inevitably develop a god complex because camp is like the biggest show in the world

and you start doing your morals and your teachings to people around you and say, I'm God, I'm going to kill you. I would respect that. Because in my death, I'll become a martyr and I'll be praised for generations to come. Yeah. You can kill a man, David.

You can't kill an idea. But you could kill an idea, I think, if you kill all the people that have them. Right? I mean, there's probably so many ideas. I mean, there's all. these ancient religions that just don't exist anymore because all the people just got murdered. Some German leader said that in the 40s.

I forgot about that. Who was it? The Kaiser, Wilhelm? Yes. Oh, all right. Yeah, that one's, I don't know. Brutus, like, I know he's known as a backstabber, literally. Like, I think that's where the term stab me in the back came from.

Yeah. So I think he's just kind of like the OG, but I don't think he's even that bad. I think he's not as bad as Benedict because he didn't do it for any pussy. He just did it for the love of the game. And I feel like... Yeah. Like as far as backstabbing morals go, it seems like it's kind of principled. Yeah, it was warranted.

How close was Brutus and Caesar? Like how much boys they were? Yeah, like were they like homie homies? Like were they super, super tight? Like, this is interesting. How right or wrong was Brutus when he decided to kill Caesar? On a theoretical level, since Caesar was subverting the Republican government structure, you could argue that Brutus and the Liberators were in the right. They were eliminating an existential threat to the Republic. However, the Republic that they believed themselves to be restoring ceased existing sometime after the Butonic and the Macedonianian wars. Nothing in their plans even remotely addressed the problems that gave rise to Marius, Pompeys, and Caesars of the late Republic. Conveniently, as well, the primary beneficiaries of Caesar's death, the restoration of the public, would be the Liberators themselves, certainly not the Roman population. So it seems like, on the one hand, they were justified, but,

but not because they wanted to protect the republic, but because they wanted to become the emperors themselves. Okay. But if they become the emperors and then they restored, like, Republican values, then? If. But that didn't even happen. I'm pretty sure after that, the empire continued on. And then I'm pretty sure it was Caesar's son that eventually took the throne.

Who was that? I forgot his name. But I'm pretty sure after this, they had, like, four good emperors in a row. So everything was, like, actually pretty chill. You said Caesar usurped Pontius, Did that Pontius Pilot? No. Pontius Pilot was just a local consulate to the greater Judean area.

He's the real enemy. Right? Yeah. There's that one phrase, you know, you wash your hands with it. You leave it be. That's from Pontius. Yeah, exactly. I've washed my hands.

What is truth? Has this man sin against the Roman Republic? They thought yes. Unfortunately, they killed him. Who's they? Nothing. Donna Marina, also known as La Melinche. You ever heard of this?

Nope. 1,500s. There's little comprehensive documentation. March, sorry to interrupt. What's the ranking? That's a great question, Gabe. I'm going to put that low. I mean, like, 10, 11?

That's fine. Like, I don't think, like, look, he's just an OG. He started the whole thing, but I don't think is actually worthy of being that high in the rankings. Personal bias. Now, La Melinche. There's little comprehensive documentation

about La Melinche. What historians know has been stitched together through mentions of her in various contemporary writings. Cortez himself referred to her just briefly in his letters and only identified her as an interpreter. Her nun?

Her nun. Oh, I know this person. La Melinche was born Malinale, the daughter of an Aztec chief. This gave her the unusual level of education which she would later leverage as a guide and interpreter for the Spanish. After her father's death,

she was sold to slavers by her mother. Her mother then staged a funeral to explain her daughter's sudden disappearance. Damn. Whatever this girl does, I think is justified. She was the daughter of a chief and then sold in the slavery. I actually know way more about this girl than I thought. Well, feel free to chime in. Oh, I'm going to.

According to historians, the traders eventually sold Malinale to Kachike in Tabasco of hot sauce fame. Where she lived until Cortez arrived in 1519, the Kakiche presented Cortez with a group of young women to serve him, including Malinol. she quickly distinguished herself. The Spanish gave her the respectful name Donna Marina, while the Aztecs attached an honorary addendum of Zinn to her name, making her Malad Zinn. This episode is brought to you by nicotine. The greatest, the greatest, I mean,

the fact that Zinn is named after an Aztec chief, I mean, that's sick as hell. Melanzin. T-Z-I-N, that beg it's got to be Zen. There were two moments when La Malenian. directly saved the Spanish conquistadors from destruction once in, how do you say it? Chalaca. Chalaka.

Her astute observations led her to uncover the indigenous conspiracy against Cortez. Another time, La Melinche befriended an old woman who led her to crucial information about a dangerous impending attack from Montezuma. Armed with this information, Cortez decided to change his plans and circumvent Cholula before proceeding directly to Teno Chitlan. The change astonished the natives and further persuaded. them of the Spaniards' mystical powers. On these and other occasions,

La Malinche's presence made the decisive difference between life or death. La Malinche left no records of her own life. What we know of her depends entirely on secondhand accounts or historians' interpretations, but all the stories of La Malinche's life, both damning and sympathetic, ultimately revealed as a particularly intelligent,

resourceful woman betrayed, enslaved, and buffeted between two empires. I'll be honest, this doesn't even seem like a backstack. No, she's one of the... She's one of the most important women in history. I mean. No, seriously. Depending on important.

So when Cortez arrived on the coast of Mexico, they had found another Spanish conquistador from a prior expedition. Okay. Who was stranded and was like taken into captivity by another Mexican tribe. He spoke a certain language. They find him. They go on and defeat another tribe. They get the women, this woman as a prize.

And then she can translate from the language that the former conquistador speaks into hers and then back to Cortez. So this made it possible for this trip not only to be about trade, but diplomacy. So that's why Cortez is like, this girl's so important. Let's burn the boats. We're going to go to Montezuma and we're going to get all the gold they have. Wow. So without her, Cortez and the fall of the Essex Empire doesn't happen. But she's the daughter of a chief.

Who sold her into slavery? Fuck him. Yeah, why was she sold to slavery? Can we figure that out? She was just being a bitch. If that's the case, then I don't know. It seems like everyone's bad here. Well, Grettez loved her.

Like, she was a beautiful woman, and he kept her, like, he was his most trusted, like, advisor at some point. Can we get a photograph of her potentially? She wasn't that great on the eyes, but, you know. No. Can we, can we see? Wait, well, hold on. Whoa, hold on. That was important, Gabe.

Sorry. She was likely sold to slavery as a young girl Possibly by her mother and stepfather To cure an inheritance for her half-brother And then trade it to the Maya who later gave her to the Spanish Oops Can't do that That's dumb as hell

You have like a super important asset You're gonna trade It's a bad photo over No she looks Go to the one where she looks a bit Asian She looks hot in that Yeah she looks There you go

Oh I mean dude You've seen you've seen Rodel Dorado? Never. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That girl, actually, remember when I said Topanga was my first crush? Yeah. Not true.

Topanga is still my first crush. Chell. Chelle. From the road to Eldorado. Can we get a picture of Chell? My neighborhood growing up is Alderato. So that's why I watched that movie. Oh, really?

It's one of my all-time favorite movies. I think it's so funny. And this girl, oh! I mean, an absolute piece and a half. And, yeah, can you search Chell Rule 34? Can you look up Chell naked on... Chelle, Rule 34. Oh!

And this is what it's all about, ladies and television. We can't show this on YouTube. You can't show it on YouTube, but I will put a link in the description. That was me in my dreams. All the listeners, look, I'm chill 34. I mean, come on, bro. Are you kidding me? I mean, this girl was an absolute dime.

I mean, whatever it takes. I mean, this girl is fire. Are you sure if that's going to fit? It's disgusting. It's not what you guys think. Anyway, someone made this. Isn't that crazy? Like an artist, like put this all together.

You, bro. No, no, no. I don't have this type of talent. If I did, I wouldn't be here in this tent. I can promise you that. I mean, yeah, I put this girl low. I'll be honest. 14.

Yeah, like the lowest, the lowest, whatever it is. It seemed like she completely had a justifiable reason. Her own country sold her out. And then she just, I don't know, was resourceful and tried not to get murdered. It was funny. Cortez did it. So every time they came across a tribe, they had a field like where their loyalty lied. Or it's like, if it was a tribe that's like, yo, Montezuma's taxing the shit out of us, he's like, oh, we hate Montezuma. And if they came a tribe, it's like, we owe everything to him.

They'd be like, hey, we're going to trade. We love him. We're going to treat us nicely. Wow. He kept lying to each tribe as they get more inland. I mean, there's a good book about this. I think I gave it to you like a year ago. What's it called? Conquistador. Who's a buy? Dan Levy. See, you're going to listen to that account of history. or book Like who even Like what is you in? You know what I mean?

It's a great book Maybe I'll check it out I never finished it You didn't? When'd you stop? Buddy Levy Buddy Levy Buddy Levy

Buddy Levy Or Buddy Levi However you pronounce it It's a phenomenal book Buddy What's his real name? Margaret His real name is Richard

They called him They called him dick And he's like All right buddy buddy All right Jonathan Wilde, do you ever hear this guy? Nope. He was an 18th century English master criminal

who reigned over an underground kingdom of thieves and highway men in far-flung extortion rackets and was Britain's biggest fence for stolen goods. After he feigned reformed, the authorities turned to Wilde, given him the title Thief Taker and set him loose on the criminals running amok, terrorizing London. Oh, this is like a Dexter kind of vibe. This is cool.

Wilde took his new job entitled with a pass. passion, forming highly effective teams of thief catchers who fell upon the criminals with a will breaking, with a will, breaking up gangs and sending criminals into the gallows by the dozens. During his thief catching career, at least 120 were executed based on Wild's testimony and information he furnished the authorities. Wow. So that's crazy. This guy was a criminal that then was hired by the feds to catch criminals. So you turn his back to the streets. I don't care. William Abagnale. Yeah. Wait, what did he do? Catch me you can? Yeah.

But he wasn't catching criminals. Yes, he was. Are you stupid? Oh, I guess at the very end, he then started working for the feds. Yeah. But did he catch any criminals? Thousands. He got 120 of them executed?

Precisely. Maybe. He also set up a side business as a private detective recovering stolen goods for a fee. He failed to inform his clients that it was his thieves who had stolen their goods in the first place and their coverage simply came down to Wild's. shifting through the warehouse of stolen property. All right. That just seems like gang activity.

Yeah. Far from having gone legit, Wilde had hoodwinked everybody, and the thief catcher became an even bigger kingpin, ridding himself of competitors by delivering them to the authorities. Ooh, this guy is brilliant. I love this. I cannot believe this is not an HBO miniseries. He was finally brought down when a criminal double-crossed by Wilde accused him of fencing stolen goods,

an investigation confirmed this malfeasance and Wilde was arrested, at which point many of his underlings turned criminal. crown evidence against him until his whole scheme of simultaneously... Jesus Christ, bro. Guys, no, we can edit that, right? No. Of simultaneously being England's greatest crime fighter and greatest criminal came out. He was swiftly tried, convicted, and hung at Tyburn, where he had sent so many others to their doom.

I don't know. This one is interesting. I mean, it just seems like general, like, criminal behavior. It's not like, oh, you were my best friend and I turned my back on you. You know what I mean? Yeah. He was like a rival gang that he just turned in. It just seems like gang activity back in the day.

I mean, a sick story. I mean, this guy's cool as hell, to be honest. But as... Is he black? Let's find out. Jonathan Wilde in 18th century England. Let's see. Let's see if he's a man from the ends.

Nope. Gwan General. No, he was busted, though. He was a white Englishman. and a prominent finger in London's criminal underworld. The thief taker. I mean, this guy is awesome. I, I mean, I don't know.

The British should have been a little bit more shrewd to know, like, oh, this guy is literally still a criminal. Yeah. And he's going to keep on doing criminal activity and no one's going to look into him. I mean, completely stupid on their end, that if you're going to set up a criminal to do the job of the crown, you're not going to just, I don't know, look into it a little bit. Oh, you missed the important, the funny part. He would accept bribes to let these out of jail selectively arrest criminals and cause sexual services from Mali houses.

Whoa! What are Mali houses? Let's look at a Mali House, please. And search Rule 34. I can't believe you've never heard of Rule 34. What is Rule 34? I'm chronically online, I guess. Rule 34 is basically that if anything exists, that there's already pornography of it,

and if you just search Rule 34, you'll find the pornography of it. Okay. Like, no tears shampoo. You've heard of this? Search no tears shampoo. No, no, no. I want you to read what fucking Gabe just looked up

because it's hysterical. Okay. We're going to get back to Roland IV. A Molly House is a term for a meeting place, often a tavern or a coffee house. Yeah. Where homosexual men and gender non-conforming individuals congregated for social interaction

and potential sexual encounters. Whoa. You was a fun, no. You're telling me that John of the Wilde was swinging. in both ways. The thief taker was taken and giving respect. That is, uh, I mean, just to add to the interest and intrigue of this master criminal. Anyway, I'm going to put, uh, this guy wild, still low, probably like 10 or something. Yeah. I think 10 is reasonable. That's fair. What's up, guys? We're going to take a break really quick because, uh, your food sucks. That's right.

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of Mysore. In the fourth Anglo-Maisoor war at the late 1700s, he betrayed Tipu Sultan during the siege of a word that I cannot pronounce, paving the way for a British victory. During the siege, although the invading troops were starving, Mar Sadiq withdrew his troops, allowing the British to commence their attack on the fort. He betrayed Tipu, killing Tipu loyalist Ghazan Khan, and later arranged to have Tipu trapped behind locked doors. Sadiq was killed by some of the dismayed, Mysorian troops immediately following the defeat as he attempted to go over to welcome the British.

That is a direct, straight up... Yeah, that's a straight-up backstab. Yeah. That's crazy. He was the minister of the cabinet of Tipu, Sultan, betrayed him and let the British invade and take over. How do you spell this guy's name? M-I-R-S-D-I-Q.

Wow. That's S-D-E-K. Yeah, that's, yeah, you can't do that. That's going to put them high up on the list, to be honest with you. Wow, even today, Taurus pelt the spot where Mir Sadiq was killed. His mausoleum, also located in the city, has regularly been assaulted by shoes thrown by visitors over the years. Presently, is in a severe state of disrepair, rarely visited, and the lands have since encroached. Can you look up his, a, so this is his mausoleum?

Why was he honored with such high regard if he was a backstabber? Yeah, I don't know. We got to fear of why he sided with the... Following his death, Sadiq's body was mutilated, exhumed, and defiled for over two weeks by the angered general public, including women and children, dismayed at his betrayal of Tipu Sultan, forcing the administration to impose strong measures. Even today, Taurus pelt the spot where Mere Sadiq was killed. That would be a fun trip idea.

Like, hey, we're going to South India. We're going to degrade a tombstone. And we're allowed to. Like they... It's encouraged. Yeah, they actually want us to do this. This is great. All these, like, tourists

to go around the world and, like, do dumb shit. Like, oh, we've, like, you know, vandalized the pyramids. Or, like, we climbed the steps of, like, Tano Chidla or some shit. Yeah. Hey, just go to South India and ruin this guy's tomb and everyone, the cheer you want. Hey, babe, we're going to India. You're going to see Taj Mahal? No.

Even better. Yeah. We're going to see Mars Siddik. And we're bringing shoes. And we're going to chuck them over there. I mean, that's awesome. But unfortunately, I'm going to give this guy, that's a pretty high rating.

I'm going to give him like a three. Three big booms. I think that's three. I think he got to give him three big booms. I mean, look, he sold out the Indians to the British. Like, there's no worse people you could sell out. So apparently the Brits were like starving and they were like on the down before he did this. So they must have got, he must have gotten an incredible offer.

Must have. Hey, you want to live in Birmingham? We got a lot. We got a great house for you in Liverpool. It's going to be class. La. We got a flat. South Liverpool.

You're going to love it. Yeah. I mean, I cannot believe that he would sell out his entire country for that. That's got to be a high ranking. I don't feel comfortable putting him at three because we don't know what he got in return. How much does that change it, though? Like, okay, money. He got given money.

I would betray you for a free can of his ends. That's not true. That is true. What type of betrayal? I don't know. You would sell me down the river? Where does that come from? Sell someone down the river, yeah.

Gotta be racist. It's got to be in the list. Gotta be racist. Like there's no, like, every great American, like, little idiom definitely comes from some racist shit. Yeah. All right. So slaves being sold down the Mississippi to work as laborers and complications right again. Racist.

I'm telling you, dude, all of our little, like, long time no sea. What's that from? You never heard that? So, like, Helen Kelly. Search long time, no see. Is that some chat? Is that some Chinese? You've heard people say.

say long time no see, right? Yeah, of course. Long time no C likely originated from Pigeon English, possibly a loan translation from the Chinese phrase meaning long time no C. Or as a mimicry of Native American pigeon language. Robert Ford, 1862 to 1892. Best known as the Dirty Little Coward. Robert Newton Ford, dirty little coward. I mean, that's a sick. I'm going to use that tonight when I'm dirty talking. He was born in 1891 in Ray County, Missouri, one of seven children from James Thomas Ford. The Wire. The Wire. a young boy became enamored with the daring exploits of the outlaw Jesse James and finally got a chance to meet him in 1880. He and his older brother Charles began to hang out on the outer fridges of the James gang. By this time, the ranks of outlaw gang members had

been diminishing due to deaths, captures, and men going to Mali houses. Also simply moving on to other endeavors. That's hilarious that your gang is getting poached. They're just like doing like IT work. Like yeah, I'm just, you know, working in a cubicle. So when the two brothers wanted

join the gang, Jesse let them. However, neither played a very large role. 1881, Jesse moved his wife and family to St. Joseph, Missouri, renting a house in the name of J.D. Howard. Acting as a member of the respected community, Jesse had plans of taking up a straight and narrow life. However, he wanted to pull off one last bank robbery of a bank in Platt County, Missouri in hopes of making enough money to retire and become a gentleman farmer. He just wanted one more big hit, and I promise baby, we're going to be out of this game once and for all, okay? but the state of Missouri had had enough. And about the same time, the Missouri governor, Thomas Crittenden, put up a reward of 10,000 big ones for any information leading to the capture of Jesse James.

What year is this? This is 1881. So January 1882, two James gang members would height and Dick Little. There's no way that's his name. Dick Little? Can we get a picture of Dick Little? Little, L-I-D-D-E-L. Title 34?

Dick Little Rule 34, please. That's crazy. Make sure you put gang in there. Okay, thank God, all right. This guy, Dick Little. Looks like you sort of. Bullshit. I mean, better mustache, but everything else

kind of checks out. Checks out, man. He is on the run from the law and takes refuge in the home of Martha Bolton, Bob Ford's widowed sister. One day, at breakfast, height and little began to argue while Ford sat watching.

The dispute soon accelerated with the feuding pair drawing their guns. The sound of four rapid shots from Height's gun soon echoed through the room, one of which struck Little in the leg. Falling to the floor, Dick returned the fire, hitting Height in the arm. In the meantime, Bob Ford drew his own gun. Being Little's close friend, fired one shot, hitting Height in the head. Collapsing to the floor, Wood Height died just moments later. Ford then wrapped the corpse in a blanket,

carried outside and placed it on a mule, took it into the woods where he then buried height in a shallow unmarked grave. This killing coupled Ford's greed and desire for notoriety would be a death sentence for Jesse James. When word of the shooting reached authorities, Ford was arrested. But when he informed detectives that he had access to the much wanted Jesse James, he was released. Next, Ford secretly met with Missouri governor Thomas Cretenden, who told him that if he killed the notorious outlaw, he would receive a full pardon for the height murder as well as the killing of James and also receive reward money. Whoa. Ford agreed to perform the deed and next met with the sheriff of Clay County, where the two formulated a plan to get Jesse James. By March 1882,

a number of James gang members began to turn themselves in, leaving Jesse with little left to plan a bank robbery with other than Charlie and Bob Ford. Although he instinctively distrusted the Ford brothers, he followed through and on the morning of April 3, 1882, he was having breakfast with the brothers in his home. Afterward, the men went to a parlor where Jesse outlined his plans for robbery on this Missouri bank. When James noticed that a framed-nittle-point picture, done by his mother, was hanging crookedly on the wall. He stood up on a chair to adjust the picture. Suddenly, he heard the sound of Bob Ford's cocked pistol and turned just slightly. Bob then shot Jesse just below the right ear and Jesse toppled to the floor, dead. Jesse was just 34 years old.

Initially, Ford is charged with murdering both Woodhite and Jesse James, but true to his word, Governor Crotendon pardoned him while he stood trial for murder. As to the money, he received only a fraction of the reward. See, you can't trust these feds, dude. Returning to their hometown of Richmond, Missouri, Bob and Charles were not greeted kindly as residents found the killing of Jesse James so distasteful that they made life unbearable for the brothers. Charles Ford, when he heard that Frank James was searching for them and planned to kill them in revenge for his brother's death, began to move from town to town.

for the next two years he ran, changing his name several times until finally he could take it no more and committed suicide in 1884. Wow. In the meantime, Bob Ford was capitalizing on his betrayal of Jesse James, taking to the stage, appearing in an act entitled Outlaws of Missouri. Night after night, Ford retold his story carefully omitting that he'd shot James in the back, but this charade was short-lived as he was greeted with Cat Calls, Gears, Hoots, and Challenges. On June 8th, 1892, a man by the name of Edward O'Kelly walked into Bob Saloon with a sought-off shotgun. As Ford's back was to the door, O'Kelly said, hello, Bob. And as Ford turned around to see who addressed him, O'Kelly shot him with both barrels, killing him instantly. Damn!

This guy's a rat. I mean, yeah, he's a rat. You're doing crime and you kill a dude, and then to get out of killing the dude, you decide to kill a bigger dude. I don't know. I mean, this is just classic. like, you know, government fed story, you know? I like how public opinion was like, you're, you killed a criminal, but you were his criminal. Yeah, and that criminal was our criminal. You can't just go around killing criminals.

Especially in this time, I imagine. Yeah, that, like, your word meant everything. This is why I love looking into and researching, like, gang stories talking with criminals, because there is something that gets distilled to, like, the base core of what humanity actually values. And it's like, hey, if you're doing dirt, you're, stay true. You know what I mean? Everyone wants to be a night, but no one wants to bleed like one. Shut up. That is it. That is it. That's not applicable to this. That's extremely applicable. Everyone wants to be an outlaw,

but then the second you got to do outlaw shit and like stand on your phone morals. They stood on business, for sure. No, they did not stand on business. They did crimes. They did the ultimate crime. They did not stand on business. They were supposed to go, take the sentence, go to the gallows. You killed a guy. You killed height. You know what I mean? Yeah. And if you kill a guy, then yeah, you got to stand on it. And he didn't. He took a deal with the feds. And then on top of that, he didn't get to reward money like he was promised.

Yeah. So everyone's a rat here. But I will say, you know, he turned on one of his homies. That's got to put him at four? Yeah. The fact that it's his friend and that, like, you, yeah, four. And he idolized him. The reason he got into this type of line of work was because he likes Jesse James.

You know what I mean? I don't know if you read this, but for a period, Robert earned money by posing for photos. as the man who killed Jesse James in Dye Museums. He also appeared on stage with his brother Charles reenacting the murder in a touring stage show. That's kind of bitch shit. Yeah, he would go around and do these speeches and, like, get money off of telling the story

about how he killed the most famous outlaw ever. All right, let's move on to another one, shall we? Yep. Vidkun Kisling, 1887 to 1945. He was the Norwegian Minister of Defense between 1931 and 1933. Any idea what was going on at this point? Oh, yeah. He was a member of the Agrarian. party, when the agrarian party refused to appoint Kisling as party leader, he left to form his own party.

May 1933, he co-founded the National Samsling, the National Unity political party. Kisling also became the party's forer, or the leader. However, the Nasling smiling, Samling was not successful in elections. In 1933, Norwegian parliamentary elections, the party took 2.2% of the vote. And by 1936, the last election held before the outbreak of World War II, it took only 1.8%. Neither result was enough for the party to ever hold a seat in the Storting, the Norwegian Parliament. While the German offensive got underway in the late 30s, Kisling took to the Norwegian airwaves and the first ever attempted coup d'etat by radio. He announced to the Norwegian public that they should welcome rather than resist the advancing Germans. He also

announced a new government and declared himself as the new head of state. Two hours later, Kisling repeated his radio announcement. This time, he issued a warning that any refusal to cooperate with a new government should henceforth involve the most serious consequences for the individuals concerning. Kisling's coup only lasted six days. On April 15th, 1940, Nazi leadership forced him to step down. King Hakon the seventh refused to accept Kisling's government, meaning Germany had to continue the Norwegian invasion to solidify control. Norway fell to Germany in 1940. The king and prime minister, Johann Nengarde's Volt, went into exile in London. Hitler met Kisling in December 1939 and was generally impressed. His initial plans for the German occupation

had tentatively placed Norway under Kisling's control. However, Nazi leadership realized how little popular support Kisling had. On April 24th, 1940, Hitler thus appointed Joseph Terbovin to the district leadership of Essen and as the administrator. Von Fulkenhorst remained military control. In addition, all political parties other than the National Semling were outlawed. As the leader of the National Sambling, Kisling was given the position as head of the cabinet under Terbovin. In 1942, Terbovin appointed him as the prime minister of the national government. That was essentially a puppet state under German control. One of Kisling's first acts of this role was to reinstate the Jodin Paragrafen.

Do you know what that is? No. That is the Jewish paragraph of the Norwegian Constitution. This paragraph, which had been removed in 1851, prevented Jews from immigrating to Norway. Oops. We don't know about that little piece of history. Huh, Norway?

Oh, we're so free. Everybody's free. We're not racist. 1851. Oh, the Jewish paragraph? You guys forgot to tell us about that, huh? Also, how many Jews are in Norway? Not a lot.

Want to know why? There was a little paragraph they put in the Constitution. From October through November, 1942, Kistling signed a series of laws that enabled the arrest of all Norwegian Jewish men and confiscation of all Jewish own properties and assets the registration of all Norwegian Jews. There were approximately 2,100 Jews in Norway at the time of the German invasion, among them about 350 German and Austrian refugees who had sought haven from Nazi Germany.

A month after the mass arrest of Jewish men, Nazi officials working with the National Assembly in Norway, began to arrest women and children acting on plans that had been previously developed to the Norwegian police arrested Jews throughout Norway, and brought them to Oslo for deportation. Whoa. That is crazy. From Oslo, Norwegian Jews were sent by ship to German port of Stettin.

They were then transferred by train to Auschwitz. Most were killed on arrival, all because of this one scumbag that took over a public government in Norway. When World War II ended in 1945, the Norwegian government in exile returned from London and promptly arrested Kisling. He was charged with high treason, aiding in foreign government, murder, embezzlement, theft, and other crimes. In court, Kisling argued that he acted in Norway's best interest,

and always with the goal of restoring Norwegian independence. The court was unconvinced, however, and Kisling was convicted, sentenced to death. He was executed on October 24, 1945 in Oslo. What a scumbag. Right? That's going to put you at the top of my list, personally. He's number one.

He's got to be, right? According to my APAC handlers told me that I had to say that he was number one. That is crazy, though. I've never heard of this guy in my life. insane. What a scumbag. So the Nazis are coming in and instead of being like, we're going to fight, we're going to hold down for our country. They say, ah, it's fine, just let him in.

It's okay. He's got a good idea. Yeah, let's just see. And then you get a bunch of your own citizens killed. Yep. Not only killed, you get them exported. Excavated. Excavated.

You get them sent away and then killed under the hands of Nazi Germany. This guy's a scumbag. Can we get a picture of this guy, Kisling? Ugh. You can't do that. If people are coming to your country, just die like a man, be like, yo, you know what? I'm going to stand on it, and we're going to go out fighting.

See, I hate this. What a, what have... I don't even know what... Look at this guy. Vidkun Kisling. Yeah, he looks like a skum back. I don't even know Norway had anything to do with World War II. Well, I always thought they just got conquered.

I didn't even know they got conquered. Oh, yeah, all the, all the Scandinavians. I shouldn't say all. Was Sweden conquered? Can we find that out? That'd be interesting. What happened is Sweden and Finland? I think Finland was.

I don't know about Sweden. Um, was Sweden conquered by Germany? No, Sweden was not taken over by the Germans during World War II. They maintained a policy of non-belligerence. I mean, that probably added insults injury for Kisling. Yeah. But he was like, no, I was just trying to help. We're not in this together, guys?

And Sweden was like, well, you didn't have to do that. You could have just been non-belligerent. Like, that was always an option. What about Finland? Was Finland conquered by Germany? This will be. This will be. Finland was not occupied.

What a, see? like they didn't have to get occupied this guy just sold out his own country struck a deal with old Hiddy and then killed a bunch of his own citizens a piece of shit I would love to know if there's any Norwegians listening what do you guys think of

Kisling is this ever talked about in history it must be right I mean I don't like this guy oh we got another one Harold Cole wait where does your rank oh this guy's got to be high you gotta put him like two or something he sold out his entire country to the Nazis yeah you got to put

Melch 2. I don't know what's going to come after him that's going to take over, but he's going up there high. You better hope someone takes over him. Inshallah. Harold Cole, this guy dies in 1946. I wonder what he was involved with. An English jailbird who served during World War II in the British Army and the French

resistance, a double crossed and double crossed both by working for Germans during his extraordinary wartime career. I wouldn't call it extraordinary. He lied and conned his way into France. joined the Nazis and snitched on the resistance, resulting the arrest and execution of many. By his teens, Cole was already a burglar, Czech forger, and embezzler, and by 1939 he had served multiple stints in prison. When World War II began, he lied about his criminal history to enlist in the British Army and was sent to France, promoted a sergeant. He was arrested for stealing

money from the sergeant's mess to spend on hookers and became a prisoner of war in May 1940. He's coming back. Yeah, I mean, getting hookers and drugs. It's like, all right. When the Germans captured the guardhouse where he was jailed. He escaped and made his way to Lil, where he got in touch with the French resistance, claimed to be British intelligence, and sent to organize escape lines to get stranded and escaped British military personnel back home. And for some time, Cole actually did positive work, escorting escaped personnel across Nazi occupied territory into Vichy, France, when they slipped into Spain and got sent back home. However, he was also embezzling the funds intended to finance those operations to pay for high society. lifestyle of nightclubs, restaurants, champagne, fast cars, and whores. When his thefts came to light in 1941, the resistance arrested him and locked him up,

but while they deliberate what to do with him, he escaped. I mean, what a fucking insane life? On the run from the resistance, he turned himself into the Germans, gave them 30 pages of resistance members' names and addresses, and became an agent of the SS. In the ensuing roundup, over 150 resistance members were arrested, of whom at least 50 were executed, and Cole was present during the interrogation. and torture of many of his former colleagues.

Damn, this guy's evil. As Allied armies neared Paris in 1944, Cole fled in a Gestapo uniform. In June, 1945, he turned up in southern Germany, claiming to be a British undercover agent and offered his services to American occupation forces. Triple crossing, he turned against the Nazis, hunting and flushing them out of hiding,

murdering at least one. He was a good guy. He's coming back around. The British discovered Cole's whereabouts and arrested him, but he escaped the prison where he was awaiting... How do you escape prison five times in a row? What's going on?

Slight of him. I mean, what is happening? He's just like, ooh, look over here. He escaped the prison where he's awaiting court martial and headed to France. Their French police received a tip-off, revealing his whereabouts to the central Paris apartment, and on January 8th, 1946,

they crept up the staircase to seize him. Their heavy tread gave them away, and he met them at the door, a pistol in hand, in the assuming shootout, the fugitive was struck multiple times and died. Whoa. I mean, that's an insane little tale right there.

So he's a criminal, just embezzling. What is he from again? He's English. Okay. Embezzling, stealing from people, da-da-da-da-da. Goes and works for the British Army. Yeah. Steals from them, gets arrested, escapes,

goes to the French. Poses as British intelligence. Poses British intelligence. escapes, goes to the Nazis, sells out his own colleagues, gets them tortured and murdered in front of him, escapes,

goes to the Americans, sells out Nazis, escapes, and then goes to France where then he's killed. I think he just seems like a grifter. Yeah, I mean, he's not really,

he's like the ultimate backstab. He's the ultimate backstab, but also when you backstab everyone, you kind of backstab no one. yourself. I wonder how much of Inglorious Bastards was about this guy.

What an insane thing. Like, I'm, like, I'm shocked that there's not a movie about this guy. I mean, I don't know. I'm going to put him... So, like, it's all about how you finish.

And he finished. And he finished... Great. I think we need to look at the numbers. Like, he killed a Nazi by hand. That's more than I did. How many Nazis? Yeah, how many Nazis have you killed?

You know what I mean? I've killed zero Nazis. Yeah. But he also did get a lot of... people fighting the Nazis killed 150. I think he did way more harm than good, even though he did do some good. But because he did do some good,

I'm going to put him at like four. No. No. He ended with ratting out the Nazis. Yeah, just to save himself. He was never actually interested in getting rid of Nazis. He was just like, what can I do? Who cares about the intentions if the act is good? See, you were such a utilitarian

and it really grosses me out. Yeah, you might as well be. Harold Cole. This guy, I don't know. Let's let's let's let's what spots What's the highest spot we have open game One is still open No no no I'm at lowest sorry 13 is still open I know fucking ledge

No I mean I think we have a 12 No he didn't dude you can't sell out the French to Nazis You can absolutely sell out the if you're gonna work with the Nazis Sell out the French No I'm I think okay can we agree on This is a comedy podcast by the way Can we agree on six? Six is good

I like six We'll put them at six When I six. Eddie Chapman. You ever heard of this guy? British? Yeah. Also, just assume I've never heard of them.

Well, you knew about the freaking... The Aztec thing? Yeah, the Cortez lady. He was known as Agent Zigzag. He was a... Why is that funny? That's a great name. Agent Zigzag.

Yeah, yeah. He was English. He loves getting high. He was a safe breaker, thief, crook, and all-around career criminal, who became the only Englishman ever awarded a German Iron Crux. cross.

It was ironic on many levels because he was also one of history's most colorful double crossers and the false information he fed. The Germans derailed the effectiveness of their vengeance weapons and likely saved the lives of thousands of Londoners. See, this sounds like another, another herald. He looks like a crook. Look at that mustache. Yeah, Eddie Chapman.

I mean, what an insane. It's like a Lower East Side. Yeah, I mean, does he have like a dove on his forum, you think? Hey, what's wrong with patchwork tattoos? Does he have? just a tiny little hand on his bicep? Maybe. Just something elegant?

I don't judge. Raised in his functional family, Chabman was a delinquent from early ages. He enlisted age 17, but within a few months, grew bored and deserted the army. When the army caught up with him, he was sentenced to a prison stent and dishonorable discharge. After his release, he turned to fraud and crime to support a gambling habit and a taste for fine drinks. In World War II, Chabin was hiding in Jersey in the Channel Islands from a restaurant away. That jersey. It wasn't, you know, chilling out in Hoboken.

You know what I mean? A botched burglary earned him a two-year sentence in a Jersey prison where the Germans found him when they captured the Channel Islands in 1940. He offered to work for them so they freed and trained him in explosive, sabotage and other clandestine skills before parachuting him into Britain in 1942 tasked with destroying a bomber factory. He was soon arrested after landing, however, and immediately accepted an offer to become a double agent. an easy choice, considering that the other alternative would have been probably to get killed. Given the code name Agent Zigzag, a plan was concocted to fake the bomber factory's destruction, which convinced the Germans and raised Chapman's high on their esteem. From then on, his radio reports carefully fed him by British intelligence were treated as gospel by the Germans.

He was recalled and given a hero's welcome by the Germans, and soon after D-Day was awarded an iron cross and sent back to Britain to report on the effectiveness of German V1 and V2 rocket strikes in London. He set up shop and under British control sent the Germans inflated figures about the death from their rockets while deceiving them about their actual impact points, causing the Germans to shift their aim points with the result that they tended to fall on lower population density parts of London with correspondingly fewer casualties. After the war, Chabman lived a colorful life, went into smuggling, moved to the colonies, started a farm, and in violation of the official secrets act got his exploits published in the Eddie Chapman story

and had a bunch of other books written about him, which collectively formed the basis of the 1967 movie Triple Cross. I don't know, this guy sounds like a good guy. Yeah. Like, what's our lowest one that we have available? Also parachuting out of planes, diffusing bombs, kind of sick.

Kind of chill, right? Kind of chill, right? Like, sure, did he go over there and broker a deal with the Germans? Yes. Is that... That's what I'm saying. You got it...

How was the water, by the way? It's frozen. I don't know if you can fucking camera. Yeah, it's just a brick. Yeah. Sorry about that. It's okay.

Our coolers working well. Yeah, I'd put him at 12. Like, he stopped the Nazis, saved people's lives in England. I'm down with this guy. I got no issue with him. Seems like kind of a good dude. Yeah.

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Now let's get back to it. Juan Pujol, Juan Pujol Garcia, is his full name. An eccentric Spaniard out of a sheer desire for adventure and excitement hoaxed the Nazis with fictional spying during World War II. The hoax grew into the greatest double-cross operation of the conflict and played a significant role in ensuring Allied victory on D-Day and the subsequent Normandy campaign. Pujol hated fascists, and when World War II began, he decided to help the allies for the good of humanity.

However, when he offered his services to British intelligence, he was rejected. Undeterred, he posed as a Nazi- sympathizing Spanish government officer and offered his services to the Germans who accepted and ordered him to Britain, where he was recruited. rooted to a spy network. Instead, he went to Lisbon, and from there, made of reports about Britain with content cold from public sources, embellishing, and seasoned with his own active imagination, and sent them to his German handlers as if he was writing from Britain. The Germans swallowed it up and begged for more.

So Pujol invented fictitional sub-agents and used them as sources for additional fictional supports. I mean, so far, this guy seems pretty cool. Yeah, he has a nice smile on him, too. He looks like a little cutie. Oh, you think it was all sugar in the tank? Yeah, he likes his top of cold. Yeah.

Intercepting the decoded secret German messages, the British realized that somebody was hoaxing the Germans. And upon discovering that it was Pujol, acting on his own, they belatedly accepted his offer of services, giving him the code name Garbo. Garbo? What does that even mean? They whisked him to Britain,

where they built upon his imaginary network, transforming it into an elaborate double-cross operation that carefully fed the German a massive amount of often true but useless information mixed in with half-truths and falsities. The flood of reports were Pujol and a steadily growing network of fictional sub-agents transformed him and Germanize into their most successful spy in Britain. The moment for cashing in on that trust came during the buildup of D-Day and the subsequent Normandy campaign as the ultimate aim was to convince the Germans that the Normandy landing were but the first in a series of planned invasion. with an even bigger one against the Pard de Kallas. To cement Pujl's credibility with the Germans, the British intelligence had sent him a message

alerting the Germans to the invasion a few hours before its commencement. Knowing that by the time it worked its way from German intelligence to commanders in the field, the invasion would have already taken place and the warning would have done the Germans no good and served only to enhance Pujol's reputation. They then went for the kill. Building upon years of trust, Pujol informed the Germans that the Normandy landings where diversions and the real blow would fall upon Pazdikales. A few weeks later, that coupled with other measures whereby a fictional first U.S. Army group under the command of George Patton

was massed across the English Channel opposite the Pazdicales, convincing the Germans during crucial weeks in June 1944 to keep powerful formations in the region, rather than rush them to Normandy to help destroy the vulnerable allied beachhead. I mean, this guy's kind of a G, right? Like, he got turned down by the British once. We're looking at this in the terms of backstabbing no morals, okay? This guy's a fucking rat. In what way? He's an English guy, went to go...

Is he not Spanish? Or Spanish guy, whatever. Spanish guy tried to work with the English, tried to work with the good guys, hates fascists, doesn't get a deal, strikes up a deal with the Germans just to bleed them of money. he never actually intended to send them any information. So how's he a backstabber then? Because he got a deal with the Germans and said,

yeah, I'll work with you guys. With like a wink, though. With a wink, the whole time. Oh, okay. So I guess he's a bad backstabber, but a good guy. Yeah. As to Pooleho, he gained the distinction

of earning an Iron Cross from Germany, plus a member of the Order of the British Empire from Britain. After the war, fearing reprisal from the Nazis, he faked his death in Angola in 1949, moved to Venezuela where he ran a gift shop in a bookstore, let an anonymous life until 19, which he agreed to be interviewed for a book about Agent Garbo.

After which, he was received at Buckingham Palace was lionized in Britain, and on the 40th anniversary of D-Day traveled to Normandy to pay his respects to the dead. He died in Caracas four years later. I mean, yeah, put him low. Not really like a great backstabber, but a mensch. But a mensch, like a good guy. I mean, sold out Nazis. If you sell out Nazis, you get a gold star in my book. Okay. Again, I don't like to get political, but. It seemed like you're on the right side of history. I mean, that is crazy. If the Nazis had won, this guy would be like the greatest backside ever, ever, everyone would hate him. Yeah, fuck this guy. He's so stupid. These dumb Spanias.

I hate the Spaniards. Is that how you think Spanish people don't? That's how the Germans talk. Oh, yeah. I'm saying, if the Germans won, everyone would be speaking. Yeah, everyone was speaking German. Francisco Pizarro. Yeah, whatever the lowest one is.

Yeah, yeah. Francisco Pizzado. You ever heard of this guy? This one you have. No, I haven't. Spanish conquistro, Francisco Pizarro, managed to pull off a double cross against the Incan emperor Atahupah in 1502.

Oh, yeah, I don't know. That was even more dramatic and venal than any pulled off by Hernon Cortez against Montezuma a decade earlier. It also resulted in the destruction of the native empire and its replacement by a vast Spanish domain. In 1525, Atahulte had inherited

the northern half of the Incan Empire from his father while the southern half went to his brother, Huascar. Five years later, Atahulpah attacked his brother and by 1532 had defeated Huskar and reunited the empire. Already, this guy's cold-blooded.

His reign over the Incan Empire would prove brief, however, for Pizarro showed up shortly thereafter. Pizarro landed in Peru, 1532, and after establishing a small colony set off to conquer with a small force of about 200 men, en route, he was met by an envoy from Atahulpa, inviting him to visit him at his camp

where he was resting with an army of about a hundred, 100,000 men after his recent victory over his brother reunification of the Incan Empire. Pizarro set off to meet at the Hulpa with 100 infantry, 67 Calvary, armed with steel, a couple cannons, stuff like that. A meeting was arranged in 1532 in a plaza in the town of Kahamarka. And on the night of the 15th, Pizarro outlined to his men an audacious plan to seize at the an emulation of Cortez's seizure of Montezuma. On the second day, at the hoopah, failing to take precautions for his own security,

left his army camped outside Kahamarka and arrived at the town's plaza on a fine litter carried by 80 high-ranking courtiers and trailed by about 5,000 nobles and other courtiers richly dressed in ceremonial garments, unarmed, except for some ceremonial stone axes. The Spaniards concealed in buildings surrounded the plaza with cavalry hidden in alleys leading to open square fell upon Atahupa and his party at a signal from Pizarro. The result was a massacre. As the unarmored natives proved no match for the Spaniard steel swords and bullets and crossbows while the Indian ceremonial stone axes were useless against the plate armor. Thousands of natives were killed with the remainder fleeing in panic while not a single Spaniard life was lost. At capture, Atahulpah sought to buy his life by offering to fill a room measured 22 by 17 feet,

up to eight feet with gold and twice with silver. After the payments were made, Pizarro again double-crossed Atahupa and reneged on the deal, put him through a stage trial that convicted him of rebellion, idolatry, and murdering his brother, Huskar. Sentenced to death by burning, Atahulpa was spared that fate by agreeing to get baptized as a Catholic, and was executed by strangulation instead. Oh, my God. Not a great luck for the Catholics. Treachery paid off for Pizarra, who amassed considerable wealth and power after his double

cross about the Hulpa until some measure of karmic justice caught up with him in 1541. June 26 of that year, a group of heavily armored supporter of the rival stormed Pizarra's palace, and in the ensuing struggle, Pizarra was stabbed in the throat, falling to the ground. He made a cross with his own blood while gurgling cries for help from Jesus to no avail. he bled to death. Damn. That is, yeah, I mean, he deserved it.

Yeah, I don't like when backstabbers go against weaker people. Well, this is the thing. I want to know what the nature of like their initial, you know, meeting was, right? Like, Atahua, it was trying to be diplomatic.

He was like, hey, Pizarro, come through. We're not going to fight you guys. Just come say what's up. Yeah. And they agreed. They said, yeah, yeah, no, we'll just do a meeting.

And then instead of a meeting, he just killed all of them. Yeah. On the one hand, it's like, yeah, you're a scumbag. But on the other hand, it's like war. It's not like they're like the countrymen. You know what I mean? One of these guys is a conkey store whose whole job is to go to, you know,

South America and ransack the whole continent. Yeah. So, yeah, Atahupa should have been like a little more prepared. On the other hand, this guy is a complete scumbag and, yeah, deserves to have been stabbed later. Yeah. Also, like, I guess it's one thing to, like, get the guy, kill him, kill all the people, take the money.

Yeah. It's another thing to be like, all right, we'll give you your freedom. Syke? Yeah. All right, just become Catholic. We'll give you, psych. Like, that is the part that I'm like, oh, that's despicable. You can't do that.

So I think he's not going to be that high. What's our lowest one we have available left? Yeah, I think he's probably seven. I think seven is exactly where this guy is to go. Yeah. All right. Robert Hansen. You've heard of this one.

Mbap. No. Robert Hanson gave the Soviets and later the Russians thousands of pages of classified materials that revealed such sensitive national security secrets as the identities of Soviet spying for the United States, specific about America's nuclear operations and the existence of an FBI built tunnel underneath the Soviet embassy in Washington. You've never heard of them? This is like one of the most infamous and like kind of, you know, black eyes on the FBI's entire. historical record, this guy, Robert Hansen. I know about the Rosenbergs? Oh. That's all I know. The Rosenbergs?

They were allegedly giving like nuclear secrets to the Soviets. So like McCarthy. Yes. Literally killed them and they had nothing to do with it. I do remember that. Yeah, yeah. Oops. But this guy actually did do it.

Look at them. This guy. Oh yeah, yeah. Julius and Ethel Rosenberg. Yeah, I remember these guys. Yeah, they got a, they got caught up in the crosshairs. Yeah, they didn't do anything. I think.

Yeah, we've got to do a deep dive on them. But Robert Hansen, this guy is just a proper turncoat. I think he's going to go high, to be honest with you. It's against America already, so I don't like him. Hansen's double life began in 1979, ended in 2001 when he was arrested after the FBI discovered, thanks to help from an ex-KGB officer that Hansen was a mole. Church-going father of six, Hansen was thought to have been motivated by money rather than ideological beliefs. While covertly working from Moscow on and off for years, he was paid $600,000 in cash and diamonds with another $800,000 supposedly held for him in a Russian bank.

Hanson was only the third agent and FBI history charged with spying. Born in 1944 in Chicago, son of a police officer graduated from Knox College in 66, then intended dental school at Northwestern before quitting the program to earn an MBA. He went to work as an investigator for the Chicago PD, then joined the FBI in 76. he worked for an agency in Indiana and also New York City. Hansen's deceit began in 79 when he volunteered to spy for the GRU,

the Soviet military intelligence agency. Volunteered. He soon informed the Soviets that one of their generals, Dmitri Polankov, was in fact a CIA informant who had been spying for America since the 1960s.

The Soviets executed Pelikov. Damn, so just off rip, this guy just hands over information unprompted. Yeah, he volunteered. And gets this guy murdered. Yeah. So this guy's going to be

Yeah, this guy is definitely going to be Up there 1980, after Hansen's wife reportedly caught him with some suspicious-looking papers, he admitted to selling secrets to the Soviets But claimed the information he had given them was worthless. At his wife's insistence, Hansen promised to sever ties with the Soviets

And confessed to a priest Who told him to donate the dirty money to charity. However, in 1985, Hansen resumed his espionage activities This time for the KGB. He gave the KGB the names of three Soviet officers. officers collaborating with the CIA and the FBI, the three spies were arrested and executed. Damn, like what, like for $600,000, there's no way. Back done?

I, what is that? Two million, maybe. We know how much money you make now? Jesus Christ. I'm just saying to sell your country, risk your whole life. You're going to risk your whole life and your professional career. You're the father of six kids. Free Luigi, yes.

For 600,000, it just seems crazy. Like, this is the 1980s. Meanwhile, Hansen continued to rise to the FBI's ranks, eventually working in senior counterintelligence roles. By 1991, with the Soviet Union breaking apart, he stopped spying, possibly due to fears that he'd be found out. But in 1999, while serving as an FBI liaison to the United States State Department, he once again resumed his double agent career, this time for the SVR, a post-Soviet Russian intelligence service. Hansen's downfall came in 2001, the FBI, which by then suspected that there was a mole in its ranks, paid $7 million to an ex-KGB officer.

to procure information from SVR headquarters that helped identify Hansen as the turncoat. The FBI put Hansen under surveillance in the late 2000s, and on February 18, 2001, he was arrested at a park in Vienna, Virginia after making a drop of classified documents and a plastic garbage bag for the Russians. Nearby FBI agents discovered a bag

with $50,000 in cash intended as Hansen's payment. When he was arrested, he reportedly claimed, what took you so long? Legend. piece of shit. In order to to avoid the death penalty, he struck a deal with the government and agreed to cooperate. In July 2001, he pleaded guilty to 15 counts of

espionage. Following May, he was sentenced to 15 consecutive life sentences behind bars with no possibility of parole and never gets to see his kids again. It's crazy. Like, why would you risk all of that? Okay. 2.2 million? Nope. 2.3.

rounding up. You would take that. Six kids. You have a good, steady career in the FBI. You're making, you know, decent money. And you're going to risk all that for $2.3 million. Yep. Easy. Some people are so poor.

All they have is money. All they have is money. You got to remember that. You got to remember that, dude. You've got these beautiful kids. Where is kids now? Can we search Robert Hanson children? I got to know.

I mean, this was in 2000. Title 34. Rule 34 is adult children. Yeah. I wonder if you changed your last. name. Oh, he died. Oh, did he?

Yeah. In 2014. Wow. The butcher baker. Oh, wait a second. Murders and Capture? Wait, hang on a second. Hold on a second.

This is a different. Hanson is known to have raped and assaulted over 30 women and have murdered at least 17, ranging in age from 16 to 41. Although based on evidence, law enforcement suspect that Hanson killed at least 21 female victims. I mean, if your name is Robert Hansen, you got to buy your domain soon because, like, you have so many bad Robert Hansen's out there.

They're like, wait, wait, you're dating a serial killer. And he's like, no, no, no, no, no, oh, the CIA. Oh, I did espionage. No, no, no, no. I mean, that's crazy. You can say I'm a turncoat, but God damn it, don't say I'm a fucking. Yeah, he's in prison being like, you got the, wrong guy. I promise you. Who got

a longer life sentence, though? That's a good question. Oh, yeah, what's worse? Yeah, which Robert Hansen? Let's have this ethical question. What's worse? Turning against your country? Selling some secrets about nuclear codes? Or 21 women? Let's look at who got the longer sentence. In the eyes of the law. Let's look at the photos of the victims.

No, okay. We're not going to do that. He got 15 life sentences. What did the butcher baker? How many life sentences did he get? 461 years. How many is 15 life sentences? Much more than no. Yeah, easily more. 23 pubs. I mean, 15 life sentences.

I mean, I mean, what? Like, if your life is going to be... Oh, okay, so... Justice system got it right. Added that out. I'd rather fucking... Okay, let me ask you this. No, no, because clearly this is worse.

The butcher baker got more years. No, he didn't. How long did the butcher baker get? 461. Oh, the It's got more years. I'm going to say, would you rather turn in your country

or 21 women? Because clearly you said that. Why do you keep saying that? You said the former was a bit worse. No, I did not say the former was worse. We can roll the tapes. I mean, the eyes of the law.

Don't say Mark Agnon's a rapist sympathizer in the chat. No, comments don't say that. You already said, let's have this ethical question out as if something like this is fun. I mean, you proposed it. As if something like this is a fun, goofy thing to say.

That espionage is better than, no. You're putting words in my mouth, which is unconsensually for the record. So I feel like you sympathize. Don't do that. Don't listen to him, okay?

He's not even on camera. Wait, do you say his alias, which is funny, Ramone Garcia? I was zoning in and out. No, that's Robert Hanson.

Yeah, yeah, Hanson using the alias Ramon Garcia, which is so. If you're a serial killer, why do you need an alias? He's like,

nah, I'm a fucking Cuban. Oh, that's a CIA guy. It was a spy. Yeah, yeah, the spy. Yeah, yeah, the spy. Yeah, I mean, this is all Ramone Garcia.

Also, it was 1. $1.4 million in cash bank funds and diamonds. Whoa. You didn't say the diamond part. No, I did say the diamond part. You said you were zoning in and out. I was zoning in and out. I'm playing chess.

1,300 right now. Let's talk about Aldrich Hayeson Ames. Wait, what's his ranking? He's going to be high up. How many more do we have? Five. So we have one left? Also, there's one that I don't know if you're going to mention, but you should.

The Bush or Baker. That guy's going to go one. He's got to go one. But he did was foul. I think that's reprehensible what he did. Did you saw a god not empire not empire of the summer moon flowers of the killer moon I have not seen it but I'm familiar with it no you're not I haven't seen the movie I know everything that happens what happened we're natives we got oil oh no we're gonna give

it away the natives got so rich they turned Italian they used the oil to slip back their hair exactly hey we got some oil we got some servants oh no the servants are white they make good food yeah seasoned a little my eating corn again Oh my God, what am I poor? And then the fucking government comes in, takes all the money. No, that's not true. You're saying that that's not what happened? No, one of the white guys married the Native American for her money

and then murdered all of her siblings. Whoa. For the money. Spoiler. The movie came out three years ago. So I'll put him in number one then, knowing nothing else other than the two sentence synopsis. You never saw Empire of the Summer? I'm still working on Sopranos.

Are you serious? Yes. What season are you on? Episode one, season one. You're such a... I just watched the first part of it. with the ducks in the pool. So lovable, right?

Can you get that bottle out of your mouth? Yeah. This is the fuck. It's not dethalling. It's like thawing out at all. I mean, it's insane. All right, we got one more.

Can we wait to place him based off of what this guy does? You came up with that idea. Oh, no, no way. You wanted to wait. I'm all about the blind rankings. All right. We got one in five, and we have two guys left.

No, we don't. We have one left. But what if this guy, Aldrich Hayes and Ames, is not that bad? He probably isn't. I haven't seen one that's been bad. Even the butcher baker. Keep it in. We're not putting that out. Ames was a CIA case officer who spoke Russian and specialized in Russian intelligence, including the KGB. The USSR's Foreign Intelligence Service.

His initial overseas assignment in Ankara, Turkey, where he targeted Russian intelligence officers for recruitment. Later, he worked in New York City and Mexico City. In 1985, well-assigned at the CIA's Soviet, East European Division of the CIA headquarters in Langley, Virginia, he secretly volunteered to KGB officers at the USSR Embassy, Washington, D.C. Shortly thereafter, the KGB paid him $50,000. What year? 1985. It's not that much money. They're decreasing their money.

Yeah, they're like, hey, we can get secrets from this guy. Our funds are running low. Yeah, we only give you $50,000. Who gave you that offer? It's a race to the bottom. Interesting mustache choice, I may say. I mean, this guy looks like a fucking rat. In 1985, he was rocking the Jordan stash.

Respect. Wait, what? He's got a Hitler dude. Whoa, dude, why would you call it that? He's not going to demonetize us. I call it the Jordan Stash. Why Jordan? Look up Jordan Mustache.

You've never seen this? How do I know more sports stuff than you? That's crazy. Look up Jordan Mustash Saddle 34, please. Why do you keep saying title? What is it? Look at this, bro. You've never seen that.

I'm sure he had a good reason. You know, Stockton said he was better than me, and I found out he was Jewish. I took it personally. I showed up to game six. With a Hitler mustache. Dude, the owner of the pistons, he's a tribesman, you know? We had to show up and intimidate him. I mean, that's insane.

Jordan got to the Hiddy. All right. Back to this freak. In Rome, Ames continued his meetings with the KGB, including a Russian diplomat assigned in Rome and Moscow-based KGB officer. At the conclusion of his assignment in Rome, Ames received instructions for KGB regarding clandestine contacts in Washington, D.C., where he would be next assigned. In addition, the KGB wrote to Ames that he had been paid $1.8 million by them in the four years since he volunteered. 1.8 million is not bad, to be honest with you. I'll get you water. I'll do whatever you need.

This is bothering me so much, the loudest water ever. Upon his return to Washington, D.C. in 1989, Ames continued to pass classified documents to the KGB using dead drops or pre-ranged hiding places where he would leave documents to be picked up later by KGB officers. In return, the KGB left money instructions for Ames, usually in other dead drops. You're familiar with the dead drop, right? What's the dead drop? Dead drop is like, you know, I'm a citizen. You're the Russians. I'm working. working with the Russians. You tell me, hey, go to this tree and leave all the documents in a tree.

Okay. You walk by the tree, leave the documents. And they say, hey, we left you cash. It's in this bathroom stall underneath the thing. Go into that bathroom stall. You go in there, get the cash, get the handy. There's sex with the glory hole. Yeah. And you're getting paid a philatia. All right. Search brown shirts, Rule 34. Look up, glory hole for me. Yeah. Yeah. Can you look up, Soviet spy rule 34, please? Oh, it's rule? I thought it was title. No, why do you sound like a government thing?

In the meantime, CIA and FBI learned that Russian officials who had been recruited by them were being arrested and executed. These human sources had provided critical intelligence about the USSR and was used by the U.S. policymakers to determine the U.S. next steps. Following analytical review, the receipt of information about Ames Unexplained Wealth, the FBI opened an investigation in 1993. FBI special agents conducted intensive electronic surveillance of aims during the 10-month investigation. Searches of Ames residents revealed documents and other information

linking aims to the Russian Foreign Intelligence Service. On October 13th, the investigation specialist observed a chalk mark aims made on a mailbox confirmed to the Russians his intention to meet them in Bogota, Colombia. On November 1st, what? How does that signify like, hey, me and Medellin?

Because that's how they would talk to the I spoke with Jack Barski, a former KGB spy, and he said they would talk through chalk on the New York City subway. They would put chalk markings, which all indicated different symbols and other KGB spies. They find a chalk mark on the L train. There's hundreds of them. That seems stupid. That's how the Russians did it. They didn't have any other way.

Also, this is the second person in a row who volunteered to work with the KGB. Maybe we need to up the money for the FBI? No, I'm not saying we need to up the money for the FBI, but how are the KGB workers getting in touch with these people? I don't know. There must be a website. Like, Facebook? I don't know. I mean, if you have secrets, you probably have contacts. Sure. You know what I mean? When Ames planned foreign travel, including a trip to Moscow as part of his official duties, the plan to arrest him was approved.

Him and his wife both pled guilty in 1994. He was sentenced to incarceration for life without possibility of parole. Rosario Ames was sentenced to 63 months in prison. Wow. Do we know what secrets he was given away? I don't know exactly. I'm unsure Yeah, turning against your country's

fucking bitch shit So I don't know Him and Robert Hansen kind of did the same thing But it feels like Robert Hansen's was worse So I'm putting Robert at number one How's it worse? Than this guy? Yeah

I mean I don't even know what this guy Was it wasn't listening for the last two people So there you go Yeah Also this guy I think He only got one life sentence So it must have not been the better It must have been like that's all I'm saying

So maybe you know turning on your country isn't as bad All right We're going to have to blur all of those words out Oh fuck So no one's even going to know what you're saying They might think you're saying a racial slur I am Ladies and gentlemen

These are the worst backstabbers Human history Some of the worst fucking rats To ever walk this big blue planet And we ranked them all from 1 to 13th Yeah some honorable mentions Vidkung Kissling definitely should be number one I mean he sold out an entire nation

to the Nazis. Yeah. Bad guy. Bad guy. But Robert Hanson definitely should be up there. I mean, that guy sucks. The guy Empire of the Summer Moon. Fucking killers of the fire moon, sorry.

Whatever. Empire of the Sun. Buck in on's oil. And then the guy at the very bottom, or the girl at the very bottom, the, you know, daughter of a chief. Yeah. They get sold out. How is she even on this list? Right.

It feels like that's not fitting. She got sold out down the river by her own people. Not no racial way. It was politics. It's a different time. And yeah, I guess there you have it, folks. Thank you guys so much for tuning in to another episode of Camp. I appreciate it immensely.

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