Camp Gagnon - The Most Wanted Criminal in History: The Legend of DB Cooper

Episode Date: April 18, 2025

🚨Make Sure To Rate Us 🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟 Who was DB Cooper? Join us, as we talk about one of the most infamous cases in the United States. We will cover various individuals who were once alleged to be this mysterious criminal and try and resolve any unanswered questions… WELCOME TO CAMP! 🏕️Shoutout to our sponsors: Zippix, Morgan & Morgan, and Bluechew. Ditch the cigarettes, ditch the vapes and get some nicotine infused toothpicks at https://zippixtoothpicks.com/ today. Get 10% off your first order by using the code GAGNON at checkout.👕🧢 GET YOUR CAMP DRIP HERE: https://campgoods.co/🏕️ Get Today In History Email Here (Free): https://camp.beehiiv.com/🎟️ 🎫 Comedy Tour Tickets Here: https://markgagnonlive.comTIMESTAMP: 0:00 Intro1:00 D.B. Cooper’s Take Off7:28 Cooper Demands $200k14:36 D.B Cooper’s Jump22:45 The Search For D.B Cooper34:28  Is Luigi Mangione The Modern Day D.B.?38:34 Woman Sucked Out of Plane40:52 New Evidence of D.B. Cooper + Ransom Money Found49:07 Dwayne Webber Confesses To Being D.B Cooper53:45 Dwayne Takes Wife to Ransom Money Location57:48 D.B. Might Have Been Transgender1:03:14 Robert Rackstraw1:06:44 Richard Floyd McCoy Jr. Hijacks Plane1:09:18 Kenneth Christiansen’s Brother Snitches on Him1:12:46 L.D. Cooper1:17:03 D.B. Cooper In Prison Break1:18:17 Scientist Study The Ransom Money + Cooper’s Parachute Possibly Found1:21:00 D.B.’s Cigarettes Lost + Cooper Con

Picture this. A man in a suit boards an airplane for a short flight. Made way through the flight, he hijacks it, demands $200,000 in cash in a parachute, and then in the middle of the night, jumps out of the plane and vanishes with all of the money. Sounds crazy. Well, this actually happened on Thanksgiving Eve, 1971, and over 50 years later, the culprit has yet to be found. Some of the money has shown up, but yet what has happened to the infamous D.B. Cooper. Did he survive? Where did all the money go? How did he escape? Many people have confessed to being D.B. Cooper.

And many people have been alleged to be the famous criminal, but yet no one has ever been convicted. Well, today we're going to try to solve it. That's right. We're going to be diving in to America's only unsolved hijack. So, sit back, relax, and welcome to camp. November 24th, 1971, day before Thanksgiving. the Northwest Orient Airlines Flight 305, which is a hilarious name for an airline. The Northwest Orient? What is that?

This is the Asian airline? They prepared for a routine 30-minute trip. Portland is Seattle, you know, two wonderfully mediocre cities. Actually, let me tell you back. Seattle is nice. Portland is, you know, worse for wear. The weather is dreary, right? Typical.

With low cloud, steady rain. The Boeing 727 is less than one-third full. You know, great flight. Everyone gets an aisle. And it's only carrying 36 passengers just trying to reach a destination before the holiday. All time, you know, one of the worst days to fly, the day before Thanksgiving. And you're sitting on this flight. You have a whole road to yourself.

You're like, dude, this is amazing. I'm on, literally trying to go see my family in Seattle. I live, I'm a barista in Portland. I work at a strip club drive-thru. And I just want to go home. And then what happens? There's a guy seated next to you. It seems a little shifty.

He's a little, you know, he's got a hat, he got glasses. And his name is Dan Cooper. You ever heard of Dan Cooper, David? No. Never heard of him. I know, DB Cooper. Oh, really? Oh, you know his alias.

Yeah. All time. Is that actually his first name? Well, that's the name of the person that booked a ticket. Back of the day, air travel was like, is fake. Like, you just show up with like a suitcase and they'd be like, do you have an ID? You'd be like, I have a picture of myself. And they'd be like, yeah, good enough.

Polaroid. Just trust me. Just take my word for it. Like, why are you being all weird? Chrysos, have you heard of the DB Cooper story? It's all time. I'm the one petitioning to do an episode on it. Oh, that's right.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You are the one that has been trying to figure it out. Do you think you have a theory about who did it? That's easy. I think it was Dan Cooper. Well, who was this guy? Imagine this. Nondescript man, you know, he shows up,

buys a ticket using the name Dan Cooper, and he's assigned to seat 18C. There's probably, I think it's an aisle seat. near the rear of the aircraft It's window 18C, A, B, well I'm thinking it's 3 and 3. Exactly. Oh, yeah.

ABC, D-E-F. I don't know. He's wearing a business suit, white shirt, nice black tie, overcoat, it's got a briefcase and an attachet. Which, can we get a picture of an attache?

Because I've heard this term so many times and it's a great word to throw out there, but I don't really know what it is. It's the yellow hats that Jews wore? Is that what it was? Yeah. that the Pope made him wear? No, an attach.

It's like, oh, it's like a, oh, yeah, they wouldn't. Briefcase? It's like a, oh, no, where you put your suits in when you travel. Okay, that's nice. So he's walking on. Just looks like a regular guy, just going to Seattle, right? Flight attendant Florence Schaffner, noticed something unusual about Cooper.

So as he's getting on the flight, takes off around 250 p.m. ascending through the rainy skies. Trying to get to cruising altitude. Shortly after takeoff, Cooper catches this flight attendant's attention. Hands her a note, thinking it was his phone number. Typical, right?

The most, like, womanly thing, she's like, oh, my God, these men are pigs. What year is this? 1971. Okay, yeah. If this was in the 50s, you can just, like mad men, just fucking, yeah, exactly.

Just as she's coming through the drink cart. So, that's not what it was on the piece of paper. No, not at all. She basically smiles and, puts it in her pocket. Cooper eventually leans closer and says something that would change aviation history. He says, miss, you'd better look at that note. I have a bomb. To what she says, fine, I'll call you back. Like, I'll go on a date with you. I mean, geez, like you are being so persistent. You're going to blow up this plane if I don't just call you. She basically retreats

to her jump seat, opens the note, written in neat capital letters and a felt tip pen. It says, I have a bomb in my briefcase. I will use it if necessary. I want you to sit next to me. You are being hijacked. I mean, that would suck. The ultimate Riz. Dude, Riz God. I have a bomb.

And you were being hijacked at this very moment. I'm going to use it as an opening line. Hey, you're being hijacked right now, all right? You want to go on a date? She maintains her composure. She sits down next to D.B. Cooper. Cooper then opens his briefcase just enough for her to take a glimpse at what appeared to be cylindrical red sticks attached

to a wire. So apparently he's trying to bomb the planes like Looney Tunes. I can't believe that she thought that that was actual. Just red sticks with a wire. It's crazy that you could just get on the plane with a bomb.

And they didn't think to stop this until like 2000. Right? Like, I feel like there was no TSA. You could just go on a plane with anything in your briefcase and they're like, yeah, it's fine. I don't want to get ahead,

but I don't think it was a bomb. No. He just like put like cans on like wires in there and he just like. Yeah, and he was like, hopefully this girl doesn't know what a bomb looks like. Yeah, hopefully this girl's retarded.

Yeah. He's like, oh, I know what to do. I'll get red tape and write TNT. The briefcase has like a giant T thing that's top of it. It's a piece of tape writing bomb on it. Look, it's a bomb. She's like, prove it. Oh, shit.

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$200,000. Okay, yeah. Why would I say the wrong number? It makes no sense. Because you're retarded sometimes. Well, double check the tape because if I said that, then I apologize. And he also wants four parachutes,

two main shoots and two reserve shoots. I don't know why he wants four. Like I guess like He just wants to be in the air forever He's like dude my dreams rich and flying around I mean that's insane You need four I guess he's like oh what if they give me

Like a faulty parachute I don't know If they give you one faulty parachute What's stopping them from giving you four Right? Yeah So his demeanor is what strikes the crew the most This is the most unsettling part

No shouting no waving of weapons No threats The flight attendant Tina Mucklow Even said that Cooper spoke softly when ordering a bourbon and soda. And he paid for it, which makes sense. I mean, he has the money now. Right?

Like, he's about to get the cash. He also asked if he could leave a tip, but he was denied because she said it was against policy for flight attendants to take money from passengers. Ooh, ho ho, ho, D.B. Cooper has great taste. Yeah, Tina Mucklow. Shout to her.

Oh, she's on X? Oh, hold on. DM her immediately and get her on the pot. I mean, that's crazy. That would be sick. So, this guy's robbing a plane. And meantime, he's, like, ordering a bourbon, he's chilling. And, yeah, it's just kind of like a little transaction.

So Schaffner, the main flight attendant that's sitting next to D.B. Cooper, is then told by D.B. Cooper that he demands access to the cockpit. The pilots contacted air traffic control, who then alerted authorities. And as the plane circles the Puget sound, is that he pronounces it? I don't know what that is. It's like the little piece of land over Seattle, I believe. But I don't know. Can we get a picture of the Puget Sound? sound. I also don't know if that's how you pronounce it. I think it is, though. FBI agents and police in Seattle scrambled to meet Cooper's demands. During the tense waiting period, flight attendant Tina

Mucklove replaced Schaferner as Cooper's liaison. We also should definitely get a picture of Schaeffner up here, just to see. Just to see. Just to know what's going on. Right now, I'm envisioning D.B. Cooper's like James Bond. Like Sean Conner. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Hold on, hit that, hit that pronunciation one time. Puget Sound. The Puget Sound. That's what I said. Yeah, exactly. Right? Double-shake the tape.

And if I didn't say it that way, I apologize. So, yeah, let's get a picture of Schaffner up there. So basically, for two hours, Mucklow sits next to Cooper in the passenger cabin while the plane circles the airport. She would later describe him as courteous, thoughtful throughout the ordeal. I mean, why, like, you kind of have to be. I mean, like, if you're making these insane demands and you're threatening them, if you're acting like Charles Manson just like all loony, tuny. Yeah. Like, I doubt they're going to capitulate?

Yeah. I guess. Also, if you're like, yo, I have a bomb, you don't really need to be acting crazy. Which is actually a good lesson. If there's a guy acting crazy on a plane, probably doesn't have a bomb.

Mucklow observed him chain smoking, Rowley cigarettes, and answered his various questions about the aircraft, questions that revealed his interest in specific technical details about the plane. I mean, this guy's,

like, I get why there's so much fascination around him. No, people root. He's an easy character to root for. The most G thing in the world. You're sitting on the plane next to this cute flight attendant ripping darts, drinking bourbon.

Yeah. Got a bomb in the suitcase. So while all of this is going on, people on the ground are scrambling. They're trying to figure out, okay, how do we get $200,000? So the Northwest Orient's president authorizes the payment immediately.

The company's insurance would then cover it and passenger safety is obviously, you know, the priority. Yeah, 36 people. Got to protect them. So, I mean, I guess, I don't know how you get insurance for hijacking. Like, that's in the insurance policy.

They're like, yeah, just in case we ever get. hijacked. We're going to need cash. So the bank employees quickly gathered 10,000 unmarked bills, many with serial numbers beginning with the letter L from the Federal Reserve Bank of San Francisco. The FBI photographed each bill before placing them in the knapsack. Meanwhile, authorities collected four parachutes from a local skydiving school and the Air Force base nearby, which it's just insane that this is like someone's job. How long did this take? Two hours that they're flying around. And so that's insane.

hours that like some intern wakes up and they're like, hey, go to this skydiving school, get a parachute. If they ask why, just be like, yeah, they're being hijacked. Just explain what's going on. How do they just comply with all this? Because they're like, yo, this guy's going to explode the plane, he's going to bomb it. Yeah, but that wouldn't be procedure now. No, probably not.

No. Now we don't negotiate with terrorists. So 539 p.m. more than two hours after being notified of the hijacking. Flight 305 lands at Seattle-Tacoma International. Cooper instructs the pilots to go to a remote, well-lit area of the tarmac and darken the cabin to prevent any potential police snipers from targeting him. But after circling for hours, the aircraft's low on fuel. So Cooper demands a full refuel before takeoff, which is crazy.

They're already on the ground. And there's nothing that they can do. So when the first fuel truck arrives, he refused it until he had visual confirmation it wasn't a law enforcement decoy. Finally, the knapsack of money and the parachutes are delivered to the aircraft. Cooper then allowed all 36 passengers, flight attendant Schaffner, senior flight attendant Alice Hancock, to then leave. He keeps the remaining flight crew on board, William Scott, William Ratazik, and then the flight engineer, H.E. Anderson, as well as the flight attendant Tina Mucklow. While on the ground in Seattle, Cooper outlined the phase of his plan, the next steps. He instructs the flight crew to go to Mexico City with a potential refueling stop in Reno. His then-flight specifications were extremely detailed. Maintain an altitude of 10,000 feet, which again, the standard is like 15 to 20,000, keep the landing gear down throughout the flight, set flaps at 15 degrees, maintain a cabin speed of under 200 knots

slower than the normal cruising speed, and the cabin has to remain unpressurized. So at this point, they're like, oh, he's definitely going to jump out. Which I don't know, at this point, I'd be like, okay, let's do all this, scramble fighter jets, and then the second he drops out, we just go full Tetris on his ass and just try to, I know, space invaders. Go space invaders and just try to, like, blast them, right? Yeah, like duck hunting season.

Like, I don't know why that's not the next step. Again, these aren't arbitrary, right? Each requirement revealed Cooper's, you know, understanding of aviation and also his ultimate plan. The specific altitude would keep the plane low enough to prevent the need for oxygen mass, but high enough to clear the mountain range. The landing gear in flaps would be set low enough so the speed would then make his parachute jump more survivable.

And the unpressurized cabin would ensure that the rear stairway could be opened during the flight without causing explosive decompression. So pretty well thought out. Yeah. The crew then realized that they were dealing with someone who possessed detailed knowledge of the 727's capabilities and that this wasn't some type of amateur operation. So now by 7.40 p.m. Darkness has fully descended over the Pacific Northwest. flight 305 takes off from Seattle with its crew of four and the lone hijacker. Where are they headed to? Technically they have a restop in Reno if they need it, but they're going to Mexico City.

Hell yeah. Kind of sick, right? Yeah, yeah. $200,000 and you just jump out. South of the border. Dollar goes a long way there. Right? See the pyramids?

1.4 mil? Yeah, damn. Crazy. So what does the American government do? They deploy the fighter jets, the F-106 from a Corpsed Air Force Base. to follow and maintain a distance to avoid detection. A third jet trailed far behind with a heat sensing camera ready to track any unusual activity.

Cooper had flight attendant Mucklo show him how to operate the stairs. This is a unique feature of the 727 that could be lowered during the flight from inside the cabin. The rear stairwell was designed for passengers boarding at smaller airports without jet bridges. But Cooper clearly had other plans. As the aircraft heads south into the stormy night, Cooper ordered the crew to remain in the cockpit with the door closed.

So now this guy that's just been like chugging bourbons and ripping darts all day is now sitting in an empty plane with 200,000 in cash, four parachutes, and he's just chilling there with his sunglasses on. The last image that Mucklow had of Cooper was him sitting calmly in his seat. Money beside him, unbothered by what's going on, just completely chill. The door closes and Cooper's now alone in the cabin as they continue through a violent storm. And what happens next is maybe the most insane getaway. to ever happen ever that leads to the FBI's longest manhunt and changes aviation security forever.

The 727 is now heading south, and here's what he does. The crew unsealed the cockpit as Cooper had ordered, continuing flying the precise flight path that he had demanded. The plane maintained 10,000 feet altitude, flapsed down at 15 degrees, the exact conditions that he needs. In the passenger cabin, he's just chilling. The only people who could possibly see what was going on are the pilots in the military jet trailing at a distance, but the darkness of the storm makes tracking almost impossible. And then 8 p.m. comes around, 20 minutes after takeoff from Seattle, the cockpit crew notices something strange.

A warning light goes off indicating that these stairs have been deployed. Duh. The guy's up there with four parishes. They're like, wait, is he trying to jump out? He's got parachute. What the hell? So, but the first officer, William Bertagic, later recalls thinking he's got the stairs down.

Okay, that seems pretty obvious. You see a giant light come on? The stairs down, and he's like, I feel like the stairs. The pilot communicates this development to air traffic control, but then continue their assigned instructions. 13 minutes later, the crew felt a sudden upward movement in the tail section. Sounds like a sudden Thursday, right? Motion consistent with the weight of a person suddenly departing the airplane.

Almost simultaneously, they noticed a change in cabin pressure suggesting that the door had been open. Somewhere over, the densely forested area of southwestern Washington State, between the towns of Castle Rock and Ariel near the Lewis River Cooper makes a jump. According to the flight engineer, we felt a bump. We thought that was it. We couldn't see anything. It was pitch black. The conditions Cooper faced upon exiting the aircraft were extraordinarily harsh. Temperature at 10,000 degrees is about 7 degrees Fahrenheit. 10,000 feet is 7 degrees Fahrenheit. Not accounted for a wind chill and also freezing rain. The sustained winds of 170 miles an hour.

The night is moonless and overcast creating basically. no visibility. He jumps into the storm in a business suit, loafers, and a raincoat. He takes with him two crucial items, right? $200,000 in ransom money and a parachute. I mean, how funny if he forgot the ransom money? He's

like so busy with all this and he jumps out. He's like, wait, checks his pockets. Fuck. I mean, that would still be a sick story. Right? No. I didn't think they go out there. They just see cash on the seat. They're like, what the hell? this fucking idiot.

But no, he takes with him. And he had a few different parachutes available to him, the civilian reserve parachute and also the military issued one. What he does is he takes the civilian one and not the military one, and this potentially saves his life. As investigators later discovered that the military shoot was a training model that had been sewn shut and couldn't be deployed. That's wild.

They tried to set up my boy. You think that was intentional? I'm assuming definitely intentional that they're like, yeah, let's give them a military parachute, so it's shut. Yeah, but you want the money back. You don't want him to die.

Yeah, you do. What do you mean? You don't want them to die. Why? You want the money. I mean, look, the money's gone. $200,000. Insurance covered it.

Bang. So then you would want him the last question? Sure. Maybe you want to question them. Be like, you know, what is the deal with this? But also, I just assume

you want, you know, punishment for the guy that takes the money. It's the coolest way to die. Arguably. And you don't want to give him that. Yeah, that is a good point. So who knows whether Cooper recognized this or just, you know, picked correct, right, dealer no deal style? And the money, it said, was secured to his body using cords fastened from the parachutes reserve lines, a technique that showed some knowledge of parachute equipment. When searching the plane, police discovered that Cooper left behind his tie, his mother-of-

pearl tie clip in two remaining parachutes. We need to figure out where that tie and tie clip is, because if we can bid on that, that would be the sickest thing in the world. I'm sure that's, I'm sure that's hung up somewhere in some museum or, I don't know. No, there's for sure, like... You think the FBI auctioned it off?

No, I'm sure some FBI agent wears it to like Christmas partisanship. Oh, that's actually such a six. It'd be so crazy. Yeah. Yeah, this tie, you've ever seen this before? Of course not, idiot. So this then becomes used as a potential DNA testing,

which at this time DNA was not where it is now so I don't even know if they knew that but I wonder if now it's in 1971 they don't know shit but now if they still have it OJ's case in the 90s was like the first time they were using like DNA testing as like factual evidence

sure but in 1971 wait where is the tie where is this tie right now wait it's a clip on yeah I mean that's so funny I didn't realize that he looks so suave but it's just yeah I mean that's hilarious

that he had a clip on wow okay so after his last legendary disappearance. They left it on the seat. We've got to figure out where it is today, though. What's up, guys? We're going to take a break really quick because I want to talk to you about the most

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The terrain below Cooper is the worst possible place you could pick for a parachute landing. Dense forest, mountains, ravines, and rivers. After feeling the bump, the flight continued towards Reno with the crew following Cooper's instructions. The pilots were uncertain if he was even still on board or if he had jumped as they had been ordered to remain in the cockpit. It wasn't until they landed at Reno that they confirmed that he was gone. 1015. Upon landing, FBI agents immediately surround the aircraft, and when they enter, nothing in there. The Moni and Cooper were gone, except for his tie left on the seat.

I mean, just baller. Everything was pretty well thought out, except the weather. Yeah, but I don't know if you can. Also, like, the logistics of, like, what the weather and the wind would be like at whatever altitude, what was it, 170 mile an hour winds, it's seven degrees He's up there not accounting for wind chill, and he's just wearing a suit with loafers and goggles. Yeah. I didn't know. I thought I knew the story pretty well.

I didn't know those details. He's dead. For sure, dead? For sure. Let's find out. The FBI now has to figure out where he's at. The search area is enormous, anywhere between the flight path from Seattle to Reno.

And this covers approximately 196 miles of some of the most rugged terrain in the country. So the exact location of his exit couldn't be determined with precision and the special agent Ralph Himmelsbach, who would be the lead of the investigation for many years, called it a search area problem of incredible dimensions. Nevertheless, the Bureau launches what would become one of the most extensive manhunts in history. Within hours, the FBI establishes Operation Norjac, Northwest hijacking.

By the next day, the search effort includes 800 military personnel, multiple aircrafts, helicopters, local law enforcement, and the National Guard. The initial search has faced, you know, faces a lot of obstacles. Weather had deteriorated further overnight. Visibility remains poor, and the dense forest basically obscures any view of the ground below. Which at this point, you're like, maybe it's the most genius thing ever, right? Yeah, now I understand why he wanted them to stay in the cockpit.

Stay in the cockpit and then you jump out at some point. And then if you can figure out, I bet you, here's my thing. So far, he has such a clear story. Like, he has such clear, he knows exactly what he's doing. Yeah. I bet you he has a clearing that he lined out, and he knows I'm going directly over this flight path, and there's a little safe house or something that I can go into.

Because my thing is if he's dead, they would have just discovered, oh, here his remains. Oddly enough, this plan is very well thought out, but I bet you part of the plan was like, once I get on the ground off him now, I have $200,000 in cash, like, I'll figure it out. I'll do something. But if he's in the middle of the forest, I bet you he knows that there's a clearing. I bet you knows, like, oh, there's a little pocket that I can,

can land into. I'm assuming he's like former military. No, I bet you like the plan was perfectly thought out until he jumped off the plane. Then it's like, you think he's not going to plan out that part. He knows the degrees to put the flaps on. He knows to keep the wheels down. Yeah, I mean, how well can you plan like where exactly you're going to land? Sure, you can't plan that exactly, of course. But you can get a general idea. And then if you could land in the forest, then you're free and clear. You're good. They can't find you. There's no way. So then you can coordinate with like an escape guy or like some type of driver. It'd be like, hey, meet me out here with an ATV.

Meet me roughly from anywhere from Portland to Utah. Yeah, just stay in the region of, you know, Portland to Mexico City and then just pick me up. So despite the massive effort, no physical evidence is found in the days and weeks following the hijacking. No parachute, no money, no clothing, no body, nothing. And by early December, snowfall covers the entire search area, bringing the ground search to a halt. But the FBI continue to pursue leads. They're conducting interviews, but the physical evidence that they needed

remains unfound. So here's what they know about him. White dude, probably 510 to 6 foot. You know, those height ranges are difficult to really narrow down on, you know? What's the difference between 510 and 6 foot, right, David? Fuck you. There is no difference.

That's my point, okay? Somewhere between 170, 180 pounds. He's probably on a cut. Mid-40s, he's probably fasting. He's probably fasted for days before us. It has immense cognitive benefits If anyone's interested. Mark, at the time of recording,

how long have you been fasting? 42 hours. That's insane. He has short cut hair dressed in a black or dark brown business suit, white shirt, and a black tie,

no longer, spoke in a calm, polite tone described as a northwestern accent. So he's probably just a lib. He's probably a huge lib, right? What's a northwestern accent? Just like,

I just Trump, like, it's just like a narcissist. Like, that's probably what he was saying. whole time. You're just like, like, ooh. Can you just sit down next to me? Yeah, just sit. Oh, my God. Oh, you think I'm just like a toxic male? No. I hate white men. That's probably what he was saying. Who does he look like? He looks like someone. He looks like, uh, like Miles with the chin. He's not even here. Can't do that. By the way, fuck Miles. You can drop one of those in the chat. Please. Um, an interesting thing about the case emerges early into investigation. The press initially

reported the hijacker's name is D.B. Cooper rather than Dan Cooper, the name that had actually been used to purchase the ticket. This error was never corrected. Never, never was changed. There is no such thing as D.B. Cooper. It's Dan Cooper. I wonder how much of the fandom he's received is based off of his name being D.B. Cooper. Because D.B. sounds sick. If it was Dan Cooper, people would be like, whatever. Is there another famous D.B? My brother-in-law, I call him D.B. His name's David Biner. That's pretty cool. DB. Yeah, DB's sick.

There must be a famous, like, I don't know, like a basketball player or some shit. Wait, why? Why is that? It's D, E, E.B. First name. Okay, yeah, it looks like he's maybe the only DB. Hold on, click that show more. Oh, D.B. Sweeney, well-known American actor.

And then D.B. Woodside. Oh, that's an all-time name. D.B. Woodside. That's a sick name, dude. I should have named my kid DB. You're going to have another one, so. That's a good point. Here's my daughter, DB.

As the investigation continues, the FBI begins to focus on Cooper's knowledge and expertise. And several aspects of the hijacking suggests that this was not amateur, right? He knows everything about the 727. He has super specific flight requirements, the knowledge of the parachutes, and the selection of the functional reserve shoot rather than the military one. His awareness of the Seattle-Tacoma Airport and their procedures of aircraft refueled. and then also his calm demeanor throughout the hijacking. So far, I'm like, look, this guy's former, like, probably military.

Yeah. Worked in aviation in some capacity. Like so many different, you know, like pilots and captains were former like Air Force. So I bet you, like, that would be my initial thing. It's like, this guy definitely knows what he's doing, worked in aviation in some capacity, and then created this plan and be like, oh, there's no safeguards? mid-40s, 1971, he would have fought in the Korean War? Yeah.

Pacific Theater and then knows how to jump out. And that's why he probably wanted to go on the Orient flight. He's like, I'm used to this. You know what I mean? He's like he's been fighting Koreans for the last five years. 1950 to 1963, 53? Yeah. Yeah.

So he was definitely deployed in Korea. Yeah. My suspicion, I don't know. But by 1972, the FBI had interviewed hundreds of potential suspects, process thousands of tips. Over time, they would investigate 800 serious suspects, including detailed background checks

and in-person interviews, but none would be definitively identified as Cooper. I wonder if his inside job. Look into the pilots. I'm telling you, look into the pilots. Like, you don't think one of the pilots would be like, you know, come on the plane, demand the money.

There's been hijackings like this before this happened where like they got the money and then... Oh, that makes sense, yeah. You know, like it blows up. There's some type of like issue. Some of the people, like, in these hijackings, would get the ransom money and then they would just dip and they get caught later. Yeah, but if it was an inside job with the pilot, don't you think they would have been like,

hey, I'll get you to Mexico City. Don't worry. Like, hey, say we're going to Utah, wink, wink, and then we'll go to. But then you get down to Mexico. Like, again, that's the original plan with a refueling in Reno. But you get to Mexico, then what? You're just flying out in Mexico? Or they're like, oh, you're going to be leaving in daytime?

There's so many different issues. Unless if he's from the area and they're like, hey, we know how to survive out in the wilderness. who would know how to do that, former military. Okay. So initially, survival experts start to question whether or not he could even survive the jump. So they bring in a bunch of survival experts, parachuting professionals, and they consult their opinions, and there are many of them. People suggest that the freezing temperatures would have caused hypothermia for someone dressed like Cooper. Yeah.

Not only through the air, but then also as he lands on the ground. We need to look at maybe he was wearing something under a suit. Wet suit. He might have had a wetsuit on, right? He could have been wearing something. There's also powerful winds. And a lot of the parachuting experts that they talked to said it would be basically impossible to land in the winds,

definitely not able to land in an area that you wanted to land in. He died. Let's just say, let's cut the video. He died. He's going into the dense forest at night, which would result in probably a bunch of injuries. And who knows if he had navigation tools to see where he was going? He didn't.

I'm going to be the biggest hater of the rest of the episode. I'm in a bad mood. Just because it's cold? It's so fucking cold. Are you fasting right now? Why are you so mad? They also say that Cooper has no survival equipment. I don't know about that.

What do you think? What do you think? What survival equipment did he have on him? He's wits. He has a suitcase full of cartoon dynamite. Who knows what that could have actually been? Maybe it was a Swiss Army knife and a can of tuna. That's all you need.

On the other hand, some people note that the altitude being less than 10,000 feet would have been less time for a free fall. The slowed aircraft speed and the shock hitting the airstream would have potentially, you know, given them a chance at viability. and the Columbia River and Highway I-5 are relatively close to the jump area providing potential escape routes. He calls up his buddy,

yo, Tom Sawyer, meet me on the river in a raft. I'll jump on, take the river out. Oh, I'll just get to the highway and then pick me up in a car and a van. I'll throw all the shit in and we just go down to Mexico. He died. Cooper's meticulous planning suggests that he might have been prepared

for conditions and ways that we don't know about. To this day, it is the only unsolved commercial airline hijacking in American history. Must a no. He died. Oh, I thought you were going to say it's not the only

unsolved commercial hijacking. That's because George Bush never faced the consequences for what he did to the American public. Despite one of the most intense man hunts ever launched, the FBI was outsmarted by a man who vanished without a trace.

Outsmarted, he died. They were not outsmarted. What about all the people that claimed to have been D.B. Cooper? Yeah, that makes their lives interesting. Well, let's look in to some of the claims, shall we? Yeah.

Let's just also point out the prior to his capture, the American public loved him. There was a time of growing anti-establishment sentiment and Americans viewed Cooper, not as, you know, just some criminal,

but a daring anti-hero that pulled off the perfect crime against the system. Regular old Luigi Mangione type shit, you know what I mean? He was, I mean, basically he's Luigi Mangione.

He's like, oh, I'm going to take money from a insurance company? Right? Like, this guy might just be just a, right? I'm telling you, he's a socialist. How cool would it be if Luigi was still on the run? Yeah, that would be wild.

Like, because he got caught, like, this happened on a Tuesday. He got caught like Thursday or Friday. Also, you think he did it? Look at the eyebrows. Can you pull up the eyebrows of the guy that's at the hostel? Eyebrows Luigi Mangione and then hostile. Is there any way he gets out? I think so.

With these high-profile cases, there's so much, uh... What's the word I'm looking for? Like stakes? Not stakes. Like the court of public opinion, like it's such a hot story that people can't help if you feel like, like have emotional stake in it. So it's like it can be characterized as like a mistrial. God, he's so hot. Look at his eyebrows and then look at the eyebrows of this person.

Zoom in? Go up. Ooh. Yeah, that's. Those pictures were taken, what, like two weeks apart? I don't know. I'm just, I'm reserving my, my thoughts until we see more evidence. This happened.

I remember I went, I was in that area the day it happened. But I, like, it, this happened. I gave him an alibi. No, this happened in, like, early December. Like, imagine, we're recording this April 11th, like, four months. And we're like, you know, this would be sick. Yeah. He got caught in the lamest way, too.

Do you also believe that McDonald's story? What is it? That he's at McDonald's in Pennsylvania and then some worker there is like, you look like the guy that killed a CEO. Dude, I love Eric Adams so much. Yeah, what a legend. What a legend. He perp walked him.

No, it wasn't the McDonald's worker. It was like the people also on the bus, they took a stop. I'm assuming to like, at a gas station, there was McDonald's attached to it. And the people were like, hey, isn't that? And then he's just sitting there the whole time waiting to get arrested? How confident can you be that you see? Like, maybe let's say you're so enthralled in the case that you see an alleged photo of the guy in the hostel. and you only see his nose, eyes, and eyebrows,

you can't be like, oh, that's Luigi, let's call the cops. Yeah, I don't believe that. I think what happened, if he is, in fact, the person that did it, which, again, I'm going to reserve opinion on. If it is him, I'm assuming that the government just, like, called up the, you know, like AT&T, and was like, whose cell phone was at this location at this time.

They illegally tracked him, and then they can't illegally track him because of, you know, it's against... It's not the Patriot Act? Does not allow that? I don't know if it would allow something to that extent. So I'm assuming that they legally track him and then they put up the story and they go,

hey, some guy saw who it was. Chris says, can you know the photo to the right of him in the taxi? Bloodshot eyes. Yeah, up, up. Yeah, that one. Zoom in. Have you ever been in a taxi

and have ever had just like done that, like put your head through the window and say something? I mean, if you're about to murder, someone, and you'd be like, man, I hope I'm not on camera. Oops. Like, how great would it be if he got pulled into the cash cab? He just jumps into a cab. Ben Bail was like,

beow, boom, boom, boom, meow. And Luigi's like, oh, fuck. That's a funny sketch. That's such a funny sketch. He's like, all right, we're going to be answering some trivia. Which animal can't walk down the stairs? He's just sitting there like, what is that? A cow.

Really? I mean, I think so. I don't know. I just kind of made that up. Um, so the Joe Biden But um What so what

So people were obsessed with DB Yes Okay Because he was like He's an anti-hero No one got hurt He made off with the money I mean I like the guy

Everyone There's no one that hates D.B Cooper It's a victimless crime Well one Who Killed himself He

He, okay I don't think that's the case Okay The mystery gets even crazier I'd fought nearly a decade After his leap The case is like Dead in the Water

No one knows what's going on, maybe like D.B. Cooper. The initial search had yielded nothing. There's no parachute. There's no evidence. There's no body. They don't know if he's dead or alive. You would think if he just died, what? Like, he never deployed the parachute?

And they just went headfirst in the ground, like a fucking... No, it's possible, like, the parachute didn't deploy well enough, and he was going down at such immense speed. He gets content trees, his body. Like, if you descend onto Earth at that speed, your body just explodes.

not necessarily. There's stories of women that have there's one woman specific. Can you look this up? The world's longest free fall. Give me that water, please. The world's longest free fall. There's a woman that survived a plane crash landed in trees, no parachute

from like 20,000 feet. Serbian flight attendant who survived the highest ball without a parachute. 33,000 feet. Would a DB jump out of? No, no, it doesn't matter. Yeah, but she had the plane as like a buffer. She's not in the plane when it crashes.

Where was she? Like, she got sucked out. Yeah, for real. She's going between Stockholm and Belgrade and the plane explodes into three pieces. The explosion kills everyone except the flight attendant. And, yeah, she ends up falling. She's 23 years old.

Keep going down. Bad. As the cabin depressurizes, the passengers and other flight crew believed to have been sucked out of the plane the freezing temperatures falling to their deaths. She survives as being pinned down by the food cart and the tail end of the aircraft's main body.

All right, so she was in the plane. Nice. Okay. The fuselage separates, okay? And the crash lands in the thick snow. And that's potentially what saved her life. All right, so she's in the wreckage. I thought she flew out.

Yeah. Regardless. There's no evidence of this guy. There's no body. There's no parachute in the trees. Then in February, 1978, the first physical evidence, since the hijacking emerges. A hunter stumbles upon a weathered placard

in a remote wooded area near Castle Rock, Washington. But it's not just a regular placard. It was a specific instruction card detailing the operations of the aft stairs of the Boeing 727. Oh, bullshit. Investigators confirmed it had come from the exact aircraft that he had hijacked six years earlier

in this discovery was significant because it helped narrow down his likely exit point from the aircraft. So seven years after this happened, Yeah. A placard. So I'm assuming like a no card. Yeah.

Was it like... Was it laminated? Something like that, sure. Okay. Seven years in the Pacific Northwest, just in the forest. Mm-hmm. Where it rains constantly. There's a ton of moss.

There's dirt. It could be mud. Just perfectly there. It's frozen. Frozen? We find bodies of people in bogs. It goes through seven summers. Okay.

Sure. Mild summers. Temperate. Beautiful. Oh, God. This person... It's laminated. We found Pompeii.

It's been under the fucking rubble for thousands of years. Yeah, but at least it's preserved under. Who knows where this was? This was preserved. Do you think this was planted? Yeah, I think this person, whatever, continue. There is, I know what we're going to get to. And that's more concrete evidence of what happened.

But I don't believe that the placard survived seven years in the forest intact. Well, how about this? 1980, there's an eight-year-old. Brian Ingram. He's on vacation with his family on the Columbus. be a river. Okay. While digging a fire pit, Brian uncovers three packets of deteriorating $20 bills bound together with rubber bands. Yeah. These kids like, oh man, that's awesome. Sick. Okay. The money's in poor condition, water damage, partially decomposed, but still

recognize it. Say that again? The money's water damaged. Water damaged. And partially decomposed. Awesome. What does that prove? The, it's a placard, bro. It's like landed. What is it? You've never been on an airplane. You open up the little backflap and then you pull out the safety stuff and it's all laminated and nice? Yeah, no, I get what it is. I'm saying, like, it has to be damaged. Sure, it's damaged, but you can see... How can you see...

How it operates there. ...the perfect, you see the perfect instructions. Whatever. It's not perfect. It's deteriorated, sure, okay? That wasn't included in the one line that I read about this, all right? I'm sure you can... Who does your research?

This, my friend, Zach. Fire him. Because he didn't put deteriorated on there? Yeah. So here's what the parents do. This part is slightly unbelievable to me. They contact the authorities after five. finding a bunch of money.

Their son finds like, I don't know, a few thousand dollars. What was it, 5,800? Yeah, $5,800. A small fraction of the 2000 that, you know, D.B. Cooper. You said it again. There you go. Oh. We're going to edit that out.

All right. The serial numbers matched those recorded by the FBI before the money was delivered to Cooper. He's dead. Thank you. The discovery made national headlines and rekindled public interest in the case. If he's dead, why is there not more money wrong? because it's not all going to fall in one spot.

The discovery rather than solving the mystery only makes it deeper. The location where the money was found created a geographical problem for the investigators. The place where the money's found is 20 miles downstream of Cooper's estimated jump zone. How do the money travel that distance? Did it fall out of a plane at free fall speeds and a storm?

Who knows? If you put like a little, imagine dropping a dollar bill outside of a plane in the wind Why isn't it just fall down Like directly down? Is this a riddle? It's not a riddle? It's a rhetorical question.

Actually not rhetorical. I wanted to answer. How does it fall straight down? No, why doesn't it fall straight down? I don't know. Air resistance, a storm? Exactly, wind. Of course it's not going to fall in the same spot. It's wotted up. You've just never seen cash in that quantity.

Okay, that's probably what it is. A little broke, blah. FBI agents and forensic experts then start to examine the bills. The money packets were still bundled together with the original rubber bands, which seems odd if the money had been carried by river currents, wouldn't the rubber band have been deteriorated?

The rubber bands appeared to have remained intact despite years of exposure to water and sand. The bills were then discovered stacked together in their original sequence. They hadn't been shuffled or separated. I guess it is possible that part of it flew off his body. The location of the find was on a sandy bank that was regularly submerged during the river's spring flow.

The bills were buried several inches deep in the sand that geological experts determined had been deposited there after 1974. This suggested that the money had arrived at the location at least three years after the hijacking. What? Oh. That makes no sense.

Yeah, I don't get that. I guess the thought is that it's possible that he was still out there. And that he just left it at this location for a rainy day? Perhaps. FBI goes all out on the search area. Forensic geologists were brought to analyze the sand layers.

They even ran simulations to figure out how the money could have drifted downstream, but nothing turned up. No body, no trace of D.B. Cooper. This guy, special agent, Ralph Himmelsbach, who had been investigating the case since the beginning, hypothesized that Cooper probably died on the jump. What? Oh, you'd think the guy whose job it is to go out in the woods every single day

and search for this guy is like, oh, no, he's dead. We can just pack it. Yeah, I would be so pissed if I was on, like, this investigating team. She'd be like, hey, look in the forest, and you may find, like, a wad of cash. He says that, you know, potentially his body decomposed, the parachute had broken up, and most of the money had disintegrated or washed out to sea with only a few of these packets becoming lodged in the riverbank. What's this guy's name?

Ralph Himmel's back. Immortalize him. Give him the... He's dead, but, like, I hope he got a raise. I hope he's in charge of everything. Perhaps he survived the jump, and some of the money had been, you know, taken off of him during the escape. maybe he even intentionally buried some of it as a backup stash. Despite the FBI's best efforts,

Brian Ingram's discovery yielded, you know, little useful evidence. There was no way to actually get DNA from it. It had been handled by too many people before it was recognized as evidence and the sand and water had washed away any other trace of evidence that maybe had been there. One of the craziest aspects was that none of the remaining 9,710 marked bills from the ransom had ever been surfaced in circulation. FBI had distributed the serial numbers to banks, businesses, and law enforcement around the world. Financial institutions were on alert to flag any of these bills if they had appeared in circulation, yet decades passed without a single one of them being detected.

No, you're done. Okay, nice. Thanks, everyone, for your time. This has been another episode of Canada. After years past, the FBI continued to apply new forensic technologies to the limited evidence that they had. In the early 2000s, they extracted a partial DNA profile from Cooper's clip-on-tie. Sick. The DNA sample, while incomplete, allowed them to rule out some of the suspects

wasn't comprehensive enough. FBI agents requested that the Cooper case materials be examined for fingerprints using new technology. They discover that the partially undetected fingerprints on one of the hijacking notes, however, this fingerprint didn't match anything in the FBI's database. The FBI official suspended active investigations in 2016, citing the need to focus resources on more current threats. While the case was never officially closed, the Bureau announced that they they would no longer actively pursue the investigation unless some physical evidence emerged.

Even the FBI's reduced involvement, the mystery of D.B. Cooper of captivated amateur sleuths, with the 5,800 recovered at the Tina Bar, you know, Sandy Riverbank, being one of the only tangible links to one of the most fascinating crimes. So, there you have it. When did they close the case? What year? 2016. Oh, my, oh my God. Yeah, Trump's America, dude.

Wait, what month? Um, May? Technically he wasn't. No, July. It's Obama. How's the good point? Was it? Yeah, Trump gets inaugurated Jan 2017.

How do you know that? I was there. No, sorry, 2020. There are a few people that have claimed to have been D.B. Cooper. Oh, of course. It's like when a serial killer's on his deathbed, he's like, all those other unsolved murders, yeah, I did that. Immortalize me. Like, I want to be.

be the second serial killer ever. Chris, so you're not in your head. Yeah. Well, let's just look into something, okay? You got this guy, Dwayne Weber, D.W. D.W. And his widow, Joe Weber. And they make a wild flame.

Whoa. What? Dwayne and Joe? Yeah. Who's gay? Joe, Joanna. Oh, okay. Get your head out of them.

1995, her husband is dying in Florida hospital. He grabs her arm and whispers, I'm Dan Cooper. At the time, Joe had no idea what she meant until she saw a TV special on the hijacking and put it together. After her husband's death, she begins to connect the dots

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company in the Northwest during the period of the hijacking and also had a knee injury he claimed to have claimed to have happened in the vicinity of the jump zone. Joe also claimed that Duane frequently traveled to the Seattle area and according to her had particular interest in the annual DB Cooper days the celebration held in Washington. When Joe presented her evidence to the FBI, they investigated Weber thoroughly but couldn't conclusively link him to the crime. While DNA comparisons with samples from Cooper's tie

were inconclusive FBI agent Ralph Himmelsback, the laziest FBI agent ever, who spent years on the case, found Weber to be one of the more credible suspects. His physical appearance also amatched key aspects of witness description, who is approximately the same height and weight, and despite being a black man,

held all of the other He had Like yo I'm DB That's where it comes from I'm TV They're like I think it was a white guy He's like Nah

These fucking white devil's always taking my fucking Always taking my credit Can't ever let a black man be great I'm DB He buys the plane ticket He's like, I'm Dan, but you can call me DB. Yo, sit next to me.

He's actually black? No. Yo, sit next to me, pink toes. A little pink toe shorthy. I mean, this guy looks a lot like DB Cooper, bro. But that is a great sketch. The black guy on his deathbed, and he's like, baby, I'm Dan Cooper. And she's like, he's white.

And she goes, shit, shit. It's the last word. I mean, that's wild. Oh, my God. That's so funny. I mean, that's if it's just a black dude. Just like a, just, I mean, that's all time. They did find $200,000 at a local strip club.

He blew it all. On lottery tickets. We're being racist. We gotta stop. All the backwoods at the gas station, please. We got. We got. That's a great sketch.

We didn't do that. Oh, my God. What does a black D.B. Cooper do with all the money? We're being racist. I don't condone any of these jokes. But it is unfortunately very funny. One of the particularly compelling details from Weber's knowledge was the term negotiable currency,

a phrase that Cooper used. used during the hijacking that wasn't widely reported in the press. So yeah, he apparently had knowledge of the term knowledgeable and negotiable currency. I don't know. If this guy's obsessed with the D.B. Cooper days and he's like going to D.B. Cooper days all the time. There's a D.B. That's something that I miss.

There's a D.B. Cooper day? Yeah, yeah. They celebrate Ariel Washington every year. God, what fucking losers in the Pacific Northwest? If you're watching this show and you're in the Pacific Northwest, we don't want your eyeballs on this spot. I'm also coming to Portland in August, I think. Portland, Maine.

No, I'm going to Portland, Oregon. You go ahead and get websites at the Mark Gagnon Live.com. I'm coming on the road all over the place. You can see me performing one hour of stand-of-comedy. That's not going to be offensive or racial in any capacity. Uh-oh. We got another suspect. Barbara Dayton, a transgender woman who allegedly claimed to have committed the hijacking before her gender transition.

How about this, David? This is a wonderful theory. What are we even fucking talking about anymore? Barbara allegedly confessed to her friends, Ron and Pat Foreman. She went over there in her high heels and she said, I'm Dan Cooper. The Foreman's documented their claims in this book, The Legend of D.B. Cooper. What made Barbara Dayton's case compelling wasn't just that she was transgender, but her background as a licensed pilot, an experienced parachutist, along with her knowledge of the Seattle. area.

The most Seattle criminal of all time. Wait, so in this case, she she, she, respectful, transitioned after. Born a man. Born DB. Born DB.

That bitch. Goes and gets the money, immediately parachutes into the closest hospital and says chop it off. Snip, snip, motherfucker. Put some titty. in here, I'm living the rest of my life as Barbara. Now, that

is a story. Don't you hate it? When they transitioned and they changed their name to the different first initial? Yeah, I know. She could have just been like Diane Cooper. No, Debbie Cooper. Yeah, Debbie Cooper. That'd be awesome. But I guess that's also pretty close, right?

She goes over to Friends House. Like, guys, I have big news. Number one. I'm D.B. Cooper. That's beside the point. What if they didn't know she was trans? What do you mean? What if they were just like, oh yeah, our friend Barbara? Like, she's so sweet. And then she was like, guys, I'm D.B. Cooper. They're like, you used to be a guy? What the hell? The surgery back then? That's crazy. It's pretty obvious. Also, trans folks back

in the day were about that life. Right? Like, in order to get a surgery back in the day, you had to go hijack a plane. Oh, oh, yeah. Just to get your surgery. Like, trans back in the day were warriors. Nowadays, you get given hormones as a kid, da-da-da. You don't even have to hijack a plane. need enough to cause distress to anyone. But back then, they were about that life. So, Barbara's case is very interesting. There's more details. She had undergone gender reassignment surgery in 1969,

meaning that she could have easily appeared as a man at the time of hijacking. According to close friends, Pat and Ron Foreman, when Dayton privately confessed to being DB Cooper, she shared specific details about the parachute in the aircraft. Details, they claimed, weren't public knowledge at the time. Dayton claimed that she committed the crimes in protest of the airline's discrimination

against her as a transgender pilot. She allegedly told the foreman's that after successfully completed the hijacking, she buried most of the money, keeping only enough to fund her gender reassignment surgery and living expenses. Let's go.

This is the best theory I've heard. This is fire. The former has described how Dayton demonstrated knowledge of skydiving techniques and even showed them how she modified the parachute before the jump. I stop listening because I'm sorry. I can't.

This is the best theory. This one is the best one. I know, it's definitely the funniest. How's it? Why's it funny? Ladies and gentlemen, we got them. She possessed a military-style duffel bag similar to the one D.B. Cooper would have needed to carry the money.

FBI investigated Dayton, but didn't consider her a serious suspect. Skeptics point out that at just 5-5, she was significantly shorter. Okay, next one. Next one. She was wearing lifts. She was wearing lifts.

No. Can we just look into it? I also... The suspect was wearing. lowering loafers, what loavers have a five-inch lift? You're telling me that's not a DV Cooper. I look at this person, I go, that's obviously. It's obviously.

Also, a good switchup for 1969, right? Like, this is, like, that is a trans woman, and I'll be honest, looks great. Would. Yeah, raw. I, no. She's five, she's five-five. Five-five isn't great, okay? Yeah, that's why she transitioned.

It is helpful. If you're a dude and you're 5-5, you're like, well, might as well be a woman. Might as well get some free drinks out of this. You know? I actually, I knew a trans woman from back in the day doing comedy in Orlando, and she was pretty short. Which way?

Did. Born a man, now a woman. Okay. Where's her career now? Did you know great? Wonderful person. But was pretty short, and I didn't know she was trans for years until she said in a joke. And I was like, oh, wow. Really?

You didn't know? Not even an inkling of a clue. Because if you're like, she was like five, six. I'm being serious. Being five, six as a dude, I think helps a transnational. Oh, this person just has a sore throat for 10 years. Yeah. I'm like, the whole time I was like, yo, throw a recola in the mix, but still, you look great.

So people don't really think it's Barbara Dade because of the height. Later recanted her confession. That's also important to know. Fucking Christ, who? Okay, next one. She claimed it was a fabrication before passing away 2002. But despite that, the theory continues to intrigue researchers. And she vanished without a dick. Anyway, Robert Rackstraw, the cryptic Vietnam veteran.

This is another prominent media suspect in the years following the Cooper case. Rackstraw was a decorated military pilot with training and parachuting. He was also a member of the Army Security Agency and received specialized training at the high-altitude low-opening parachute jumps, an advanced technique that would have given him the skills needed to survive the jump. Rackstra's post-military life included multiple brushes with the law. He was investigated for fraud, possession of explosives,

and even tried for murder of his stepfather. When investigators questioned him about the D.B. Cooper hijacking, he gave the cryptic response, I'm not saying I'm D.B. Cooper, and I'm not saying I'm not. Which makes me think there's no. No way he's D.B. Cooper, right? If you got away with $200,000, let me, actually, $195,000. Oh, yeah.

You would probably be like, oh, I don't know what you guys are talking about. Right? I'm not saying I'm David Cooper. I'm not saying I'm not. Yeah, like, what? What? Was he Italian? Yeah, he was a...

No, McCoy, he's fucking... No, Rackstraw, he's Italian. Basically, what made him interesting to investigators was following the hijacking. He disappeared in 1972, allegedly telling his family that he had to go south. When he resurfaced, he had a considerable amount of unexplained cash. He underwent plastic surgery to alter his appearance and even faked his own death at one point before being discovered living under a pseudonym. So. Okay, that's an easy track then.

What money do you have, is it the marked bills that they had given D.B. Cooper? Was it? Well, I'm assuming if he paid these surgeons And it never got put in a circulation Then it probably wasn't No, but he saw cash He came back with cash But I don't think that he was like showing up

With like a briefcase full of cash I think he was like buying things And they were like where'd you get all this stuff And he was like oh I just you know Got a job $295,000 In face surgery yes Which is genius

You commit a crime Use all that money change your appearance And you're like So people don't know you did it The ultimate crime What did you spend? What did you spend the money on to get away with the crime? It's kind of perfect, right? It's brilliant.

2016, there was a TV producer, Thomas Colbert, who identified Rackstraw as Cooper, claiming to have decoded letters allegedly sent by the hijacker that pointed to Rackstraw's military units. According to Colbert's team, the letters contained encoded references to three army units Rackstraw had been connected with. The team also claimed to have found a parachute strap

and partial instructions for a bomb that matched the one described by Cooper. The FBI, however, officially removed Raxhraugh from their suspect list in 1980s after ruling him out through physical evidence. Nevertheless, his military background, physical resemblance, and suspicious behavior kept him on the radar of amateur investigator until his death in 2019. Throughout his life, Raxdra seemed to enjoy notoriety that came with being a Cooper suspect, occasionally dropping hints but never making a definitive statement. I get, I mean, D.B. Cooper is also the most generic, the most generic white guy ever. When I die, I'm going to say I'm D.B. Cooper.

Yeah. We should start that now. Start dropping heads. Right? I can't. I'm not 5'10. But you could get surgery. How do I get the money?

I have one way. I have one idea. One way to get the money. All right, here's another popular suspect, people like. Richard Floyd McCoy, Jr. In April, 1972, McCoy hijacked a United Airlines flight from Denver to Los Angeles using a handwritten note claiming he had a bomb.

He demanded four parachutes. but McCoy wanted $500,000 in cash after receiving the money, McCoy jumped from the Boeing 727 and successfully escaped. That's pretty cool. Unlike Cooper, however, McCoy was captured two days later after investigators traced a rental car that he used. He was convicted and sentenced to 45 years in prison, but escaped in 1974 using a fake handgun made from dental paste. McCoy didn't make it long, though.

Three months later, he was killed in a shootout with FBI agents in Virginia. Didn't make it long. Three months after escaping prison? That's pretty sick. But that's like all time. His background made him a perfect Cooper candidate. Vietnam veteran, combat experience, helicopter pilot, received Army parachute training,

accomplished recreational skydiver, taught skydiving courses at the Brighamon University, where he was studying law enforcement. Similarities between the two hijackings are striking. Both men had similar notes, requested parachutes, jumped from 727s, demonstrated knowledge of aviation, FBI agent Russell Kalame, worked on both cases and co-authored a book argued that McCoy and Cooper were the same person. However, there was also significant

differences. McCoy was younger than Cooper's estimated age. He was 29 versus the mid-40s that DB Cooper has claimed to have been. Most witnesses from the Cooper hijacking failed to identify McCoy in photo lineups. McCoy also had a solid alibi. Family members claimed that he was with them in Utah for Thanksgiving during the day of Cooper's hijacking. I mean, that's pretty bad if you showed a bunch of the, uh, Jesus Christ, I thought my hair line was bad, 29 years old. Yeah, that's, that's tough. Okay. I mean, people back in the day aged so bad. Yeah, why do you think that is? I actually saw an interesting, uh, uh, YouTube video about this. What was it about? It was about why people look so much shoulder back in the day. Why is it? Is it like a mental phenomenon or? It was like a mixture of like cosmetics. People also think that like, you know, alcohol consumption back in the day was way higher, you know? That's true. Those were having like whiskey at lunch. Yeah, stuff like that. Like cigarettes, like, people were smoking cigarettes, like way more. Like people are just generally a little bit more health conscious. Should I stop smoking cigarettes? No, keep it up. You look great. Despite the alibi, some investigators believe McCoy could have made it back to Utah in time for the family dinner, especially if he had an accomplice to assist in transportation. Others proposed that McCoy was inspired.

by Cooper's success and decided to make his own hijacking. And then there is yet another theory. Okay, we only have a couple more left. Kenneth Christensen, new stories have emerged since the Davy Cooper era. 2003, this guy, Kenneth Christensen's brother, claimed that he was DB Cooper. He died in 1994, but was a paratrooper in World War II

and was later a flight purser for the Northwest Orient Airlines. Oh, okay. Is that sound familiar? Why wasn't this number one? We started with a black guy and then a transgender who was 5-5, and then a guy who was factually not him. Well, we're going down the list. He fit the physical description to Cooper and had the necessary knowledge of aircraft operations.

His position at Northwest Orient give him intimate knowledge of the procedures, protocols, and airline features, specifically the 727's rear staircase. He would have been familiar with the flight routes, crew protocols, and potentially observed how cash payments, were handled by the airline. But what made him particularly suspicious is that despite earning a modest income, he purchased a house in cash after the hijacking.

After his death, his brother discovered a hidden cachet of money and confessed and a confession from Kenneth that he had something he wanted to get off his chest, though he never completed the confession before passing away. Okay, easy solution. The house he bought in cash,

were they the marked bills? Yeah, that's a very reasonable question. Look, the marked bills thing is a problem, okay? But Christensen also resembled the composite sketches of Cooper and was known to smoke the same brand of cigarettes. Raleigh. A photograph of Christensen from around the time of the hijacking shows him wearing what, a clip-on tie, similar to the one that Cooper left on the plane. Furthermore, Christensen requested a leave of absence from Northwest Orient. When did he do this?

The exact time of the DB Cooper hijacking. when he returned to work, colleagues noted that he seemed to have come into some money, upgraded his lifestyle, and never wore a tie ever again. Seems strange. Author Jeffrey Gray, my least favorite spelling of Jeffrey, by the way, Gioffrey. I like that. He wrote the book Skyjack, David Sanchez on a Delta flight. And considered Christensen one of the more plausible suspects, though the FBI

never listed him as a primary suspect. Critics of the Christiansen theory point out that he was 5'8, shorter the most witnessed descriptions of Cooper, and that his friendly, mild-mannered personality didn't match the bold commanding presence. I mean, that's dumb. Being like, oh, you're not as, your attitude isn't as, you know, isn't as wacky, you know?

Like, that seems dumb. I hate when people do that. Like, people that, like, a dog would go missing. They'll be like, oh, you'll know the dog. He's a golden retriever, and his name's Skip. and he's the friendliest dog in the world. And that's just lost in the city and you're just all frantic. Like, that's not that.

That's, there's no way that's Skip. I would call and be like, hey, I saw a golden fever named Skip, but he seemed super passive aggressive and sarcastic. Yeah. This dog was super sarcastic. I don't think it was your dog. This is the most believable story. Uh-oh.

Also, is there no, like, security cameras in the airport in 1971? You would think, but I guess not. When a security camera was implemented in, uh, in airports. Let's figure that out. One of the more recent suspects to emerge is Lynn Doyle Cooper. L. D. Cooper. So if you're going to buy a plane ticket

to hijack and steal a bunch of money, you're going to use your same last name. He was publicly identified 2011 by his niece, Marla Cooper. According to Marla, she recalls overhearing L.D. and another uncle planning something very mischievous around Thanksgiving 1971 when she was just eight years old. Marla's suspicion was later fueled when L.D.

returned home injured the day after the hijacking. His injuries included bruises and a bloody shirt. They were explained away as a result of like a car accident or something, you know. Yeah, no, it's just not a car accident. It's the matter. Just bloody shirt. Yeah. Still rolling up. Marla remembers her uncle discussing how money problems are over and being sworn to secrecy about what she had seen and heard. Most intriguing detail was LD's fascination with the Canadian comic book hero named Dan Cooper, the exact name the hijacker used when purchasing the ticket. This obscure detail that the hijacker had used and named Dan rather than DB was a

widely known to the public due to the reporter messing up the name of the newspaper, adding credibility to Marla's claim. That's interesting. No one knew was Dan Cooper. The media said DB Cooper. But for some reason, this guy was obsessed. Where you get DB from? I don't know. Right is an interesting mix-up. I don't even know how that happens. They said it was a typo. That's what it was. Dan just... I'm looking at my computer right now. The A and the B are nowhere near each other. It was a different time. They said it was a typo in the newspaper. Yeah, but like he's saying, he's saying if you're looking at a typewriter or like, you know, keyboard, how are you going to mess up the D-A-N and D-B? Someone instead of D-A did D-B instead. But how do you make that type-off?

Yeah, but how do you make, like, if it was like D-S, Cooper, I would understand because the S and the A are right next to each other. That's a good question. If it's D.X. Cooper, suck it. L.D. Cooper had also

been a Korean War veteran with experience in parachuting was familiar with the Pacific Northwest, having worked as a logger in the region. After the hijacking, he showed up with Strange injuries, drank heavily, and pulled away from the family. Years later, niece Marla looked back and thought, maybe it wasn't just a coincidence.

Marley Cooper provided the FBI with a guitar strap and a Christmas photo of LD for DNA comparison, but the Bureau had not publicly confirmed whether these items yielded any conclusive results. Nevertheless, Marla remains convinced that her uncle was the skyjacker. I know with 100% certainty that my uncle did it, said Marley Cooper. Now, David, some people suggest that he didn't survive at all. Oh, is this how the mixup happened? They blamed the error by his source or a bad phone connection for the mistake.

He says the journal ran a piece with the name Dan Cooper the next day, but it didn't matter. So they got on the phone and they said, yeah, yeah, this guy, Dan Cooper, and they said, oh, DB? Look, that's actually what happened. I mean, what do you want me to say? I don't want you to say anything. Some people think he didn't die.

And they point to all the things we've already talked about, freezing storm, only wearing a suit, minimal parachute, dense forest, mountain terrain, money never showing up circulation. No, no, no, you said it wrong. So some people think he died. You say some people don't think he died. Some people don't think he died.

And then you give reasons for why he would have died. Some people don't think he died for, God, I love sitting in the chair and just catching Mark's mishaps. If I catch another mishap, I'll kiss you on the mouth. With my fist. FBI agent Larry Carr, who led the investigation of 2007 and 2010, firmly believed Cooper. You're stuttering now, bro.

I was just thinking, I was like, if I mess up one more time, I'll kiss me on the mouth. FCP, epine, let's be, that I mess up? According to Carr, Cooper's actions such as jumping with the emergency reserve shoot rather than the main shoot, not requesting a helmet, jumping in loafers, all suggest that he did not understand what he was doing at all. We thought he was some experienced, you know, skydiver because the jump was so dangerous. Stada-da-da-da. But an experienced jumper would never attempt that because it's impossible. The theory proposes that... Say it again?

What does this guy know? He's impossible. What does this guy know? FBI agent Larry Carr. It's impossible. Sure. That's what he said. You ever watch Prison Break?

No. So my first exposure to D.B. Cooper was season one of Prison Break where... Spoiler alert. The whole show is about Michael Schofield trying to get his brother out of jail and they assemble this rat cat... A static cat. Rat Pack team of like trying to get out of prison and all like brought something to the table There was an old guy in prison and like the lore was that he was D.B. Cooper and his way to get in

on the mission to get out was like hey like I'm D.B. Cooper. I know where the money is. Long as like spoiler alert he doesn't get out. He gets like stabbed by a cop but he told Michael Schofield where the cut where the money was and in season two it was somewhere in Utah which is why I thought he jumped out in Utah um but in season two they like go to the coordinates, like a house is built on top of it. They go to the garage and dig it out, and the money was there. So this being my first exposure to DB Cooper back in the day, I'm like, oh, he's alive. And now? He's dead. He never made it out. Listen, we're being silly. We like conspiracy theories. We like to let our imagination run, but he is fucking, he never made it to the ground alive.

Can I share one more piece of research that happened in 2020? Who's still watching? What about this piece of evidence. Do you want to consider this? Yeah. D.B. Cooper's remains were discovered. Okay, that's not true. In 2020, a research team studying the $20 bills found by the little kid that was digging up a little fire pit, and they found a strange discovery. Microscopic algae called diatoms. Where are these diatoms found? Only on meteorites. Now, riddle me this. Is it possible that D.B. Cooper, instead of going down went upwards. Hold on. No, this is important.

These items weren't just any kind, okay? They were the kind that bloom in the Columbia River during spring and summer, not in November when D.B. Cooper made his jump. The money didn't land in the river the night of the hijacking. It likely ended up there three months later, maybe even years later. How did it survive?

D.B. Cooper survives, stashes the cash, and comes back to get it later. Maybe someone else found the money and hit it for some unknown reason. No one knows. But in 2022, a major clue resources. We're on the bleeding edge of DBQRRR Research, okay? This is only three years old, four years old, okay?

Three years old. You got it right. It's 2025. But I'm saying maybe this was discovered in time zones. I don't know. The cold case led by this guy, Eric Ullis, takes a closer look at the black clip-on tie. High-powered microscope. They discover microscopic metal particles.

Some of these include rare metals like titanium, strontium, sulfide, and serium, not found in everyday environments. In the 1970s, these metals were used in specific industries, such as aerospace and defense. One of their employees, a guy named Vince Peterson, a metallurgist who often traveled to Washington State for work, fit the general description of Cooper had the exact materials on his tie. This guy died in 2002, and the family says there's no way he was DB Cooper. Still, the tie particles point to one thing clearly. Cooper likely worked in a technical field involving rare metals, such as aerospace aviation or engineering.

One of the most talked about discoveries in 2023 when the children of the hijacker Richard McCoy stepped forward McCoy is the guy that we just talked about that pulled off the exact same hijacking for years people that he was the same guy 2003 son and daughter they claimed to have found something in their mother's shed an old parachute not just any parachute

but the one they believed was used by their father during the hijacking. They turned over to the FBI who confirmed that it was what military surplus rig consistent with those issued in 1970. The siblings also also offer DNA to compare against the potential samples from his tie. The FBI hasn't released any of the results,

but this is the closest the Bureau has come in years to handling a piece of potential evidence tied directly to the hijacking. Let's go through one last piece of evidence, okay? I promise this is the last one. I know you're not happy, but I think this is going to really get you on board at the idea that maybe he's still out there. Maybe now he's a vigilante doing good.

He's, how old, mid-40s, 1970, 50 years? He could be alive. He's in the late 90s? Maybe he's in his 80s. And he just aged poorly? Maybe he lives in Brooklyn, New York. Maybe he goes to Oslo Coffee every morning. Maybe, David.

Who knows? That's how he owns that condo in Williamsburg. Maybe. We don't know. We don't know who he is. It could be anyone. But they did release a ton of files from the DB Cooper investigation. One file revealed that an entire dredging operation took place in 1974 right where the ransom money was later found.

If the riverbed was cleared, how did the money, survived the dredging. Could someone have planted it there after 1974? It was quite the bombshell. They also discovered that the FBI also lost the cigarette butts that D.B. Cooper had been smoking, the Raleys that were left on the plane during the hijacking. That could have been usable DNA, except somewhere between 71 and now they were misplaced. The one thing Cooper definitely touched, put in his mouth, and gone forever. And so that's a gut punch to all the, you know, investigators and sleuths that have been trying to figure this out.

You think Trump would have won instead of promising to release the JFK files? We're going to find DB. We're going to find DB. Great guy. He's a great man. Great man. We're going to release those files. The government doesn't want us to, but I want to.

But there's also a wonderful event that we're going to go to coming up. CooperCon. Researchers like Tom K., Eric Ullis and others continue to go search for FBI. evidence hoping to test the tie with new methods. And the tie is still in FBI custody today with no full DNA profile being released. But that doesn't mean that it couldn't be possible one day. But every year, people do go to CooperCon. Where is it?

Washington? Yeah, can we look up CooperCon? Let's shoot up that whole fucking place. What the fuck are you doing there? It's cool, bro. It's just a bunch of people. They're not losers. They're just people that are interested in this interesting anti-hero.

It's every year. Happens every year. What is the difference between like 2011 to 2012? Like, hey, guys, you guys find anything else? Click on this. Reddit thread, nice. It's held in Seattle, and, okay, they're considering selling the rights

for $10,000. Do we buy it? Do we buy the rights to CooperCon? So what do you think? You think he definitely died? Yes. Yeah, I think you probably did. Oh, but we needed to do an episode.

I was keeping the hope alive. I didn't know all the information, okay? I just wasn't sure. Okay, what is this? Three-day event where everyone from case experts to those with casual interests gathered to explore America's only unsolved skyjacking.

So then riddle me this. Who did it? Answer that. If you know everything. That's not the question. If you're so smart, if you're like, oh, I know it wasn't these guys. It's not the question of who did it is is the guy still alive? You're the worst investigator of all time.

No, I'm like that guy. My bike got stolen. Oh, my bike got stolen. Who do you think did it? David, doesn't matter who did it. It just matters that that guy got deported by ice. That is what all that fucking matters.

Would it matter if you said to the police, hey, someone stole my bike? And then they go, hey, it doesn't matter who did it. Because we can tell you that the guy who did it, he's not here anymore. Would that pass by you? Would that quench your thirst for justice? That's it for another episode.

The answer is no, okay? We appreciate you wasting an hour and a half of your time. How about you guys comment below? Tell me what you think. Okay, drop it in the comments. Let's get a fuck Miles going, by the way. Please. And just let me know, do you think he's alive?

He died? You think he's in the wilderness? I think Miles is alive. Perhaps D.B. Cooper is still alive to this day, still living out in the wilderness of the Pacific Northwest. It was an encampment. He's cited every now and again by... Back to camp.

By researchers. He's dead. And that's where the Sasquatch came from. It's just a hairy Italian, just holding bags of money everywhere he goes. He walks into the coffee shop every morning with, like, just like, 20s. Yeah. What does a cup of cold brew go for nowadays? Yeah.

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