Camp Gagnon - The Official Phases of UFO Disclosure, Missing Scientists & Non-Human Biologics | Sean Hazlett

Episode Date: July 7, 2026

Sean Hazlett joins us today to talk about the official disclosure plan. We’ll review supernatural phenomena, religious rituals for contacting UFOs, and other interesting topics. Welcome to Camp! ��️ Shoutout to our sponsors: Morgan & Morgan and Blue Chew Want the even WILDER theories? SIGN UP TO THE PATREON: https://www.patreon.com/cw/CampGagnon 👕🧢 Shop CAMP Merch: https://camp-rd.com/collections/ufo 🎟️ 🎫 Comedy Tour Tickets: https://markgagnonlive.com 🎩👽 Daily Dose Of History: https://www.dailytodayinhistory.com Timestamps: 0:00 Official Phases of Disclosure 12:16 Non-human Biologics + Zero Point Energy 14:55 Hypercube Theory 22:38 Simulation Theory 26:17 Human Farming 32:54 Missing 411 + UFO Scientists Missing 36:39 Supernatural Phenomena 43:39 Religious Rituals Contacting UFOs 50:51 Virgin Mary Apparition + Bledsoes White Lady 57:38 Sean’s Personal Experiences 1:04:05 UFO Sword Offering #campgagnon #podcast #history #foryou #interview Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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I looked up and three feet away were two eyes. We were just staring at each other. He was three feet from my face. That's not normal. UFO files, congressional hearings, even Steven Spielberg's new movie. It feels like the biggest story in human history isn't being hidden anymore.

And today, Army veteran, Stanford and Harvard graduate, Sean Hazlitt, joins us to discuss the growing wave of UAP disclosure, as well as secret government programs, recovered non-human biologics, and why some insiders believe that we are only seeing the first phase of a much larger plan. We get into claims that world governments have been carefully managing disclosure for years, and why some researchers believe that these craft aren't coming from outer space at all, and the possibility that whatever we're dealing with may be interdimensional and not extraterrestrial.

Sean also explains why intelligence agencies appear to take certain UFO encounters so seriously, and how questions about non-human intelligence eventually lead into a much stranger territory. for the discovery that we're not alone? Or is this a sciop to convince us that we're not alone? Is disclosure already happening in slow motion? Or is the truth way crazier than aliens visiting Earth? Well, today we're talking UAP's government secrets, non-human intelligence, missing scientists, interdimensional theories, and everything else you can imagine on the UAP UFO topic. So, sit back, relax, and welcome to camp. Sean Hazelan, how are you? Doing great. How you doing, Mark?

I am doing excellent. This is a continuation or perhaps maybe the first episode, depending on where people are jumping in in our story. I am really excited to chat with you about this specific topic because I think you bring something from your own background and your own experiences that I think can flavor the way we talk about this in a way that not many people can. You have a very interesting resume and backstory. You go to Stanford for undergrad. You then join the Army and work in basically military intelligence for the first.

lack of a better word. Armor, but I was supposed to go into that, but I never, never spent any time in that world. And then you go to the Kennedy School, you get a master's business administration at Harvard. Yeah, MBA at Harvard and then, yeah, and then public policy at Kennedy School. So quite a, I mean, I should say, at least on a personal basis, I'm always impressed when there's people that come from very illustrious academic backgrounds. You've been inside and participated in the most, you know, elite academic institutions in America, which I think says something about you and sort of the way you approach things. I am fascinated by what's happening right now with

UAP disclosure, disclosure, and that you have Trump releasing all these files, and he's becoming the most transparent president, you know, ever in American history. And in these files, there's sort of like, strange things that are kind of like, all right, this is kind of cool, but it's not really enough for anyone. It's not concluding. enough for the casual person to be like, oh, this is obviously non-human intelligence. It's also not interest, I guess it's not, you know,

it's not able to really be like debunked in any significant way, so it's not able to be like, oh, this is what is. It's just like it just is flooding the plane. And as a result, everyone's just kind of like in this malaise where they're like, okay. And now simultaneously you have these scientists that are going missing that are working on all sorts

of, you know, wild things. You have Spielberg, who's talking about this disclosure movie and how everyone's going to watch it and know that, you know, the truth and kind of like prepping in a way. So I'm curious with all of this, as well as your background, you know, also like connected to remote viewing in a lot of ways, what do you make of the current state of UAP disclosure, non-human intelligence, and what is happening at this sort of convergence in culture? Let's start from the government side before I render kind of judgment on it. But can you do a search on Carl Nell, it's K-A-R and then N-E-L-L-D disclosure campaign map? There was a, at the Seoul Conference, the first Soul Conference, he posted, it's on the Internet.

It's definitely out there on the Internet that shows like a phased approach to disclosure. And it goes, I think it's like out to 2030, that might be a good place to start. I don't know exactly where it is at the top of my head. So it says by January, 2024 is phase one. And this is from a talk that you held at Seoul. What is soul? So it is a nonprofit organization that was founded by a number of people, including Dr. Gary Nolan. And its purpose is to take academics, business.

and do a more, let's call it, rational, less like, wacky, you know, like a serious effort at disclosure and trying to ask these questions and bring in relevant experts to come up with a reasonable way to approach the topic. I see. So this comes from, I'm presuming, some type of public speech where he has something on the screen. It was, yeah, it was the first sole symposium at Stanford.

They brought in a bunch of folks to, like Jesse Michaels was there. I was there, Kirchai Mungle, and then a bunch of like random, I shouldn't say random, but people who are, like Rizverick, I think, was there. So a lot of people you would recognize. And it was just a day down at Stanford where we had a number of different presenters that talked about various aspects of disclosure. So, like, Dr. Thigpen was a theologian, sadly since his past, I think, in February this year. But we talked about kind of the religious implications.

We talked about kind of a military implication, how we would involve other countries, you know, various risks of disclosure. Like, there's, Carl Nell also went through the difference between controlled disclosure and catastrophic disclosure. He talked about things, he didn't explain them, but one of the, risks was memetic viruses, which you're gonna just imagine a meme that, you know, takes off and causes terrible damage. I mean, I'm kind of making up an example on the spot, but remember when they talked about inoculating people in like third world countries, well, a memetic virus would be that, you know, these children were inoculated with like a, with demons, so we have to cut off their arms and then you see all that spirals out of control. What?

Right? So, yeah, so I don't know what a mimic virus would be in relation to this. It could be that people with Irish backgrounds, I'm just making this up, people with Irish backgrounds are hybrids, their DNA has been compromised, so we need to go after everyone with Irish descent and, you know, because they're not pure human. And something like a memetic virus, again, not that literal example. Yeah, I made it up. There's no truth.

But this would be something that is connected to. Disclosure? If it's uncontrolled, yeah. You could have a memetic virus of some sort, just something that's just not, someone comes out with a meme that's not that a bunch of people believe in that causes catastrophic consequences. Right. I guess like Hitler's Aryan race theory could be seen as a memetic virus.

Right. It is this kind of mind virus, not in the way that people talk about it. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. But where people are now convinced that, you know, gypsies and Jews or in Slavs or subhuman. Not the master race. Right.

Yeah, exactly. Hey, real quick, most people who watch this channel aren't subscribed. And when you subscribe, you help the channel grow and you stay in the loop with every new drop. Religion camp, history camp, and camp gaggonon. Now, let's get back to it. So this presentation says phase one, January, 2024 is demonstrate existence. Phase two in January 2025 correlates signatures. Phase three in October of 2030 characterized performance.

Phase four in October of 2034, determined. nature, and then phase five at a different date that is not intelligible on the screen, engagement. So there's a better one out there, I know for sure, but because it goes, it goes by different industries too. Wow. So what can you tell me about these phases, though? So demonstrate existence, this would be show that this is real, right?

And do you feel like that's been adequately done? No. So we've already missed the date on that one so far. Now, phase two correlate signatures. What does that mean? I believe, I'm not going to speculate on that one. I could make something up or, or not make something up, but, um, speculate. Mm-hmm.

But it's just showing that, um, you know, the signatures that we have of different events, right? Like, what are common aspects of that we, when you're demonstrating the exist? There is. This is the one. This is the one. Oh, I see. Okay. So it's basically all the same things here, demonstrate existence, signatures, performance, determine nature, and then engagement. And it has the public sector, so like policy,

law, national security all going through 2030, and then you have philosophical investigation. That's going the entire time, scientific research going the entire time, and then the private sector going the entire time. So now that this is more, so we definitely have done number one, right? I said we didn't, but it because it says government acceptance. I see. I think the government, at least Congress and whatnot knows a lot more than... So this is hearings with Dave Grush and David Fravor. Private hearings that we're not.

I see. We're not privy to. And then correlating signatures, that would be the second phase. And according to these kind of the signal on top, can you scroll down a little bit, go to the legend at the bottom? It says that that's at risk. Yeah, so this is, when they say correlate signatures, I'm going to speculate, but I'll be more informed now that it has it.

With an academic audience, you're going to need to be able to show them that, you know, this is the frequency spectrum that we're observing signals on. It's correlated with these UFO things that we've seen. Every other explanation or plausible explanation for them we can rule out. So we're just going to correlate, you know, during, like around nuclear bases. These are the signatures that are emitted when UFOs are seen. So, and that's why it's at risk because there's this persistent fear in academia to, they don't want to touch this.

I see. Right. And then characterizing performance? So, so proactive, let's see. Predictive in the public acceptance. Ah, I see. Yeah, so I guess it's like now that we know what these signals are, we can kind of predict how these things are going to perform and explain to the government, to the people that this is real.

That's why we still feel. like we're not there yet because it's October 2030. Right. We're supposed to, at least according to this plan. And then October of 2034 is determining the nature. Yeah, like what is it? And so the five Ws are answered. Yeah, yep.

So what, where, why, how. And then engagement. So now this would be scientific discovery, strategic end state. So how do we interact with these non-human intelligences? What's that plan look like? Is there an exchange program, right? Is there going to be a brain drain? where all the smartest people in the world leave

and go somewhere else, right? That's, you have to be super careful. How do we phase out oil and natural gas without tanking the stock market in one day? Mm-hmm. Right? And then there's like, how do you share the knowledge award contracts with people with the technology?

Right, does the government dole it out, right? Do they have a bidding process? It's like questions like that, I think. I see. Now, what do you think of this plan or this timeline, I guess? Without knowing more about what's behind it, I would, I don't know what the ultimate reveal is, right? Let's say the ultimate reveal is that Earth is a farm, we don't have souls, and we're just livestock, or they just, you know, it's like an energy farm, they drain where they call it lusch or whatever. You probably don't want to reveal that. It could be some sort of spatial temporal issue, right?

Whereas we know something too early, we alert some other timeline that is unfavorable for us that we know. And then that has a recursive effect on our reality, right? So it could be any number of things. So it's hard to, like this is super high level. the way this is presented, and it necessarily has to be that way. Or maybe, I mean, if it's something that's super simple, like we're not alone, then this is an overwrought nightmare. But I don't, I think there's some complication behind it

where it's not all roses and fairy tales. Like there's some, there's like some dark aspect of this that people aren't, some people just won't be able to handle. So now when Grush is saying that there's, you know, he's aware of recovered non-human biologics and potential archaeological digs when it comes to, you know, retrieving these types of craft and things like that. Again, this is on the record in front of Congress.

Like, this is not conspiracy land. Yeah. What do you make of that? Like, do you think that he's being fed information? Do you think he's a part of this sort of like semi-disclosure thing? Do you think he's a good faith actor that's just sharing what he was told? There's no way he would be walking and talking if he's, you know, he didn't have approval to say this stuff.

Now, there might be some factions with the government that are not happy with it, but the government is shaping a narrative that is digestible. But this problem, as Jim Simivan has said, like the CIA guy, it's an indigestible thing, right? There's certain aspects of this that you're gonna have to, like, spoon feed people. otherwise if it comes out all at once i.e. catastrophic disclosure it could cause huge huge issues

massive unrest right let's say we have we've tapped zero point energy right and you know like could you imagine if that came out now right like they'd be you'd be having citizens guillotine politicians right given with the current like why didn't you give this to us like what the hell like you know i went bankrupt because i you know fuel prices are so high and Like, I can't afford to feed my family. Like, you'd have big issues. Right. Also, if you found out there's zero point energy, right, the stock market is going to collapse immediately.

Right. Right. Because they're not going to try to figure out, well, how is this going to feed its way into the oil companies? It's just going to be that there's zero. Right. It's the way markets work. It's worth nothing. If you have zero point energy, those companies are worth nothing.

You make plastics maybe, but they're going to be worth it a significant fraction. And then that'll have a... you know, a domino effect on other industries. So they have to be very careful about, and again, I don't know what the reveal is. I don't know if these things are from, you know, outside of our atmosphere. They could be in, like, we talked about this E8 lattice theory, they could be just figured out how to move from overlapping dimension to overlapping dimension.

They could be non-physical entities that are somehow able to manifest from time to time in our reality. I'm less likely to believe that they came from outer space. I think they've been here for a very long time. When we talked before, you had brought up this E8 lattice theory. Could you just repeat that, kind of how that interfaces with this topic of non-human intelligence? So, E8 lattice theory is reality's a eight-dimensional hypercube. It, you know, our reality is just a shadow or a projection of that.

And they're an infinite number of shadows or projections. that of overlapping realities. And maybe when they say interdimensional, these are just beings from one of those overlapping realities that have been able to find their way here, develop a technology to get here. It's much more complicated to that. There's like lie groups and mathematics

that I haven't delved into. I might be able to understand if I spent a lot of time with it, but I'm not a physicist, just clear for the audience. But this is, a theory that people, actually Steve Mara, has pointed to this as a possible explanation for some of the things that we see. Could you pull up a diagram of this lattice?

I wonder if it'd be helpful to see. When people say this hypercube, like, where does that come from originally? Is this coming from like a deep, like, pure math background? I think it's like mathematically derived. Got it. And then coupled with some of the laws of physics that they've observed in quantum mechanics. But yeah, when it comes up, but like a lie group is a math, it's like a group with a math.

Yeah, so you've got a giant matrix. I see the E8 lattice. Can you scroll down? Yeah. So these things here. So it's a projection of the 240 shortest vectors of the E8 lattice into a regular pentagon. Now, it's funny because when people will do like mushrooms and psychedelics. Is that what they see?

Oftentimes. Have you done mushrooms before? I've not done any psychedelics. Any psychedelics. I mean, that's good for credibility's sake. That's nice. I mean, someday, like in some other country where it's legal. Sure.

Yeah. People describe these types of things all the time. Interesting. I mean, like, there's like hollow, fractal kind of, like even in my own personal experience, like taking mushrooms, I really felt like, again, I've never really experienced anything outside of what is measurable. Like, despite being like, you know, a Catholic and also some of that's fascinated by this topic and things surrounding this topic, I don't really have anything to hang my hat on like, I saw an angel, I saw a spirit, this thing happened to me. I had an out-of-body experience. I had a dream. Nothing really like that. Like, little things here and there that are faint. But I did do mushrooms, and I felt my third eye explode. And it sounds dumb. Like, what is a third eye? Like, I don't. Pineal gland. I don't know how else. to describe it other than I felt this part of my brain

light up. And I have this weird thing when I close my eyes, I can't really visualize stuff that well. Interesting. Are you? People call it affintasia. So there's a, so going quickly back to the last episode. So Edward Reardon, he's a remote viewer who has affentasia.

Right? So he doesn't, he has, I mean, you can, because I'm a very visual. Really? If you close your eyes right now, you could see an apple. I could rotate the apple, multiply it, I could show like whatever color you want it in, I could... I can't do that. When I close my eyes, it's black right now. And like, yeah, it's just black.

Do you have an internal voice? Kind of, no. I mean... But like you can, when you're thinking, you can hear, you can hear your voice, basically. Sort of. Like, I can hear, like, I can hear my voice in like the sense that I'm... But it's not like an odd, like it's... No, it's not audible, but yeah.

Like, I can... I monologue internally. There's some people don't have that. Right. Like, it's not just like silent, but like, it's not often that I'm visualizing stuff like that, but when I did mushrooms, it was this light up in my brain. And I'm able to look up and I'm seeing shapes of all different, like it was like pentagrams or not pentagrams, like pentagons,

and then squares and triangles and they're all kind of different colors, and they're sort of like moving with the music I was listening to. And it was not dissimilar to this. Yeah. But people describe like this fractal universe and like when they're under these types of, even then like, dead, deep meditation and like holotropic breath work, these kinds of shapes sort of show up.

Now, to be clear, like, when we talk about eight-dimensional hypercube, like we can't even see that because eight dimensions, right? Right. It's so, you're familiar with the book Flatland? It was written in like the late 1800s, and it was meant to convey what a two-dimensional world, how they would view a three-dimensional being. Right. So like, just imagine a sphere,

but you're a two-dimensional species. Mm-hmm. Right? You would not see the sphere, but you would experience that sphere starting as it's coming down through your world, you would experience it as a point, gradually expanding into a circle with growing radius, and then it would decline again and then disappear into a point, boom. Mm-hmm. Kind of like UFOs when they...

Hmm. Right. So it could be that there's something that is of a higher dimension. Again, I talked about overlapping dimensions. It could just be that they have extra dimensions. And what we see is just a manifestation of that. Interesting. So again, I don't know, but you just, there's so much disinformation

that you can't, the only way that you can truly know is through personal experience. And then kind of what you amass and just this raw pattern recognition over time. And then you're still not going to be. people who come in and are just like, it's definitely this. Yeah, I'm a bit leery of, as they say, I'm very fond of seekers and a bit hesitant of finders, you know?

Yeah, I've heard that somewhere else, but yeah, that's a great way to... That's kind of how I feel about it. I'm like, because that's when I'm taking, like, the totality of this, like, phenomenal, right? As people describe it, where it's like, okay, you have Wilson Davis memo over here, and then you have, you know, the Nimitz, you know, Go Fast Video, and then you have David Grush's account, and then you have Jacques Valets. By the way to muddy the waters,

I think David Morehouse found a patent, a filed patent, on something that looks like the tic-tacks. Really? I would tell you that the tic-tacks, I don't think there are ours, and I certainly don't think that the Russians are Chinese, but that's the only thing that gives me pause is he found a patent that, like, has something that looks like that, at least.

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Like, I've spoken to people that have been abducted, and they describe their abductions. And I don't get the sense that they're lying. I think that what they're describing, they truly believe this happened to them. So either it puts it into they have some type of mental delusion, perhaps from like, you know, a seizure or a stroke or something that happened or some type of like brain chemistry kind of thing that's like giving them these vivid experiences

that are not real or what's happening to them is like true in some capacity. And to me, I'm like, both are fascinating. And I want to figure out what's going on. Yeah, something happened. Right. Something happened. Yeah, it could be in their head. It could have, but I think when, oh, John Mack, like the Harvard psychiatrist or psychologist,

I don't forget which, but he was of the same illusion. Like, these people are not crazy. Like, they believe something happened. Like, what it was, we didn't know, but they believe something happened to him. Right. And they're not making it up. So I'm curious, do you have, like, uh, like, some different work theories as to like what this could be. I mean, like angels, demons, UAPs, you know,

grays and Nordics and all of these kinds of things that are sort of all happening at different times and different people and they're all kind of describing similar sort of phenomena. Is it all the same thing? Is it multiple different things all happening simultaneously? I'm curious if you have a couple different theories that you think it could be. A lot, there's a lot of different theories. So if you take Ackham's Razor, By the way, I'm going to tell you the theory I hate the most, but it's the one that satisfies Occam's Razor, which is the simplest explanation,

is probably the likeliest explanation, is that we live in some sort of simulation, right? I'm not saying it's computer simulation, but where there are certain rules, but those rules can be violated by a system admin at any time, and this stuff could happen. That explains everything pretty easily. I don't like that one.

In fact, I hate it, because it's kind of dehumanizing. It's interesting. I don't mind that as much. Like, especially coming from, like, a Christian world view, I'm like, okay, it's a simulation. The simulation is run by God. By God. Like, that is what we would call it.

Like, this admin that we're referring to is this creator that booted up a computer or perhaps in the meditative consciousness of this being that put all things into motion. It's like Maya, like the Maya kind of concept. Sure, like, whatever, like, religious tradition you follow. It could be that too, right? I would prefer that.

sort of conception to like, you know, 0, 1,0. Yeah, of course, right. People talk about sometimes like a malevolent, a malevolent kind of creator, you know, simulation where it's like, hey, we're actually just inside a computer of another being that's, you know, like we're basically in Sims, which that is a little bit more concerning. And if you get really dark, you have, was it Rokos Basilisk? Yes.

Or you have a, like, well, not necessarily malevolent, but like an AI in the, an omnipotent AI in the deep future that is manifesting itself by influencing the past, and people who help generate its future existence are favored, and those who do not are destroyed. Right. Right. Which is, you know, it's, apparently, like, made people kind of really upset, but it's just for some, you know, it's just a different theory, right?

Mm-hmm. But that's one theory. that you could have what they call the Buck Rogers universe where it's just all real right there's angels and demons and there's UFOs and there's all sorts of everything in between i think it's something more akin to charles fort said said it back in like either the 1800s or the early 1900s earth is a farm and we are someone else's property have you heard that before I think one possibility is that we're a product. And this is the whole planet's a farm,

and they run through different cataclysms and things like that to start the next cycle or rev of human race. Right? Before us, it was Neanderthals. Before Neanderthals, it was some other hominid. And over time, they're just systematically, whatever, whoever they are, nine human intelligences, are tweaking our DNA, right? And you saw, I think Lynn Buchanan came out

and said as much, like 23 and me, there are people in government that are focused on the other percentage, because it doesn't, allegedly, doesn't trace back to any known human haplotypes. Hmm. Right? So there's some people, if you have like a 23 and me thing, there'll be another category. I'm not saying that's what it is.

But that's what he kind of alluded to, at least as recently as I think Jesse Michael's interview of him. Interesting. Because I was assume if there's an other that comes up, it's like, oh, this is other DNA that we can't really conclude where it's from, but maybe it's Central Asia, who knows? Yeah, maybe it's some mix that, you know, whatever that group was was wiped out or who knows, right?

That would be my logical conclusion. But who knows? Maybe it was engineered in from somewhere else. Maybe there's another type of human that's just not native to Earth. Maybe it's, you know, some other product somewhere else that just gets mixed in. I'm not saying that's what it is, but just imagine something like that. This theory works, again, I'm not saying it's the theory, but it's the theory. Because it explains all the things that, like, if you just step back and look at current geopolitics,

We're all moving in one direction toward like one outcome, which is massive depopulation. But none of the reasons holistically makes sense. Like individually, sure, like people aren't having as many kids and, you know, there's more plastics in the environment. Sperm counts are going down. We're flooding in 22 million migrants to cause more internal strife, forcing wages down. and just more violent energy. We're starting wars that make absolutely no sense from the vital national interests of the United States.

We have, for lack of a better word, and did not be too provocative. One could argue psychological sterilizations, where you convince somebody to do something to their body so that they can't have children. You have kind of the pandemic. right, which oddly wiped out. It's like one of the only viruses I've ever seen that most viruses will either target the weakest on both sides of the spectrum, so children and the elderly, or will force someone

into an immune response that targets the healthiest, like a hauntavirus works that way, where if you have a really strong immune system, it just drives it in the overdrive and you die from it. This one only targeted the elderly or only seemed to negatively impact the elderly. When you had this, I want to be very careful, and you have the Vax, right, which has a number of side effects. Those side effects are coming out over time. You can look at peer-reviewed academic journals, I'm not going to say which direction they're

pointing, but it looks like at a holistic level there is a deliberate effort to, for lack of a better word or phrase, thin the herd. Okay. And that just might be the next stage in humanity. That is, it just feels like all this is, everything happens in cycles. You're familiar with the fourth turning, right? So there's a book. It first started as generations. It came back out in like 1991. And there was a subsequent book called The Fourth Turning that Julian always refers to. But generations just looked at different generations in American history back to the very very. beginning and found that there were you know every four generations there were themes there's like a reactive generation a creative generation this this and this and every generation is 20 years and every 80 years there's something called a secular and every seculum there's like a massive bloodletting event or crisis right so 80 years ago it's a little bit more than 80 years ago you had war war two, right?

80 years before that, you had the American Civil War. And then not quite 80 years before that, but you had the American Revolution, right? I think it's a little bit more than 80 years, but roughly, and then we're in that pattern right now where everything appears to be breaking down and it's kind of right on schedule. A little bit behind schedule, but it just feels like there's a higher intelligence that we're not aware of you look at the whole Jeffrey Epstein things, right? There's a government or there's a group of elites that appear to be above the government.

They control people through compromise schemes like that. He can't be the only one, right? He's just the only one who was caught. So, and a lot of, just a lot of stuff just doesn't make. And he's like, why's Trump the president? Well, Trump's, Trump is an expert on bankruptcies, right? And how are we doing right now? with the national debt.

Right. It's almost just like we have the perfect person at the perfect place, at the perfect time to wind us down into the next global scheme. The reset, perhaps. Now, this farming theory, what is exactly as being farmed?

Is it like our energy, our... It could be our DNA. It could be energy. It could be both. It could be like any product, right? Like oil, you can make plastic. You can use it to... the power cars, you could, you know, maybe, we don't talk about human

mutations, right, but they sometimes find those, like in the UFO literature. And there are pictures out there that happen mostly in, like, South America that we've seen, but there have been other cases where Americans have just, the abductees that you hear about, you're getting survivorship bias, right? If you look at kind of the David Politey's thing, the 411, right, in national parks where people just disappear.

Right. And they either tend to be people who are, like, special needs people who disappear, as well as extremely intelligent people, right? And it's not really anybody in between. So there's just, you're seeing survivorship bias. Like, who knows there might be people who have taken that never come back. I mean, we're seeing all these scientists, like Monica Reza, for example, who's on a hike. with another person and then goes around a corner and...

Go on. Yeah, it's the same. That's exactly how they're described in 4-1-1. Neil McCastlin just walks out of his house ostensibly and leaves out of behind. That's definitely related to... I don't know if he disappeared because they just pulled him in or if they just... In Toronto, every arrival is a statement, and nothing says it better than this. Cadillac Optic was the number one selling luxury EV in Canada for 2025.

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Right, I don't know. But it's just bizarre. Like eight days after, I think it was eight days after Trump's like, hey, we're releasing all these UAP files. and then he walks out of his house. And it's also after we started bombing around, it's like right when we started bombing around too. Mm-hmm.

Right, it could also be that he knows too much. They don't want him to be a target from the Iranians. Right. So you take those people to custody. Because if you heard the video, not the video, the audio of his wife, right, on the telephone. She didn't seem that like distraught. Right. And she kind of makes like a couple jokes

where she's like, anyone that, you know, thinks that he's abducted by aliens, well, you know, maybe he's in a better place or something like that. She, like, kind of makes like a tongue-in-cheek sort of joke. Yeah, if your husband of like, you know, decades disappeared, you're not gonna be like that. And she's also connected to military, I believe.

Yeah, like, why did, like, how's it going? You know, it's just like, OJ, did you find the killer? It's like the same sort of thing. Right. Where is she? Is she not like, hey, guys, are you still in the case? Like, what's going on with my husband? Right.

That's completely absent. And then you have the files of Tom DeLong that's talking about Neil McCastlin and how he's, you know, chatting with him and reading him in to all the stuff he knows and that Neil is, according to Tom DeLong's email, is cooperating and aware and, like, trying to help. So it seems like he's at least maybe sensitive

to some disclosure stuff and then just goes missing. It's just strange. Yeah, I mean, like you said, could be felt, or what you're implying, it seems to be that could be foul play, right? Right. I, there's definitely not normal. Like, I think we can, that's 100%. So it could be this far, like going back to the original question, it could be this farm concept.

The third thing, it could be familiar with Dr. Michael Masters. Yeah, absolutely. Future humans. It could be a future humans sort of scenario where if we know too much, we'll screw up a timeline or, although he believes in the block universe theory, so you can't really do that in the block universe theory. So that would not be a valid excuse because what's going to happen, it's already happened. There's nothing you can do to change it. Right, right. Yeah. I mean, I guess like the interdimensional thing to me is always like,

maybe it's like my religious background, but I'm like, there's something happening perhaps interdimensional. And like, I'm, this is maybe just my mother's intuition in me, but like, whatever these non-human intelligences are, I'm led to feel like, oh, maybe it's like supernatural. Maybe it's like demonic or angelic or something to that effect. I mean, what do you make of that theory? So if there were an intelligence that were more advanced than us, right, they would probably have psychic capabilities that are much more advanced than us. There might be other life forms that are just non-physical, right? And our ancestors called them angels, demons, gin, fairies, you know, come up with any other name. Every culture has a version of it.

And it could, I mean, if you go back to this farm thing, it could also be that these are just the phenomenon, just putting on a mask of where we are currently in our technological development and ontological understanding of reality, right? I'm not saying that's what it is. Now, I think when we talk about, like, demons and angels, whatever, like, I think those things are real. I just don't know that's kind of our name for what those things... I mean, you take like exorcists, right? Like, that's stuff real.

Like, exorcists go in there and they see real things and they deal with things that they cannot describe, like physical transformations, psychokinesis events, occult knowledge that the person that is being possessed doesn't know. Knowledge of languages

that they had no exposure to, et cetera. So that is real. It's just the question is, is that some aspect of reality that we don't understand that we call paranormal or supernatural, but it's just part of the physical universe. And that doesn't invalidate a religious, godly perspective either. It just might be, we just don't quite understand how all the mechanics of reality work. and I think as we delve deeper and deeper, we'll learn more about it, but we'll never get to the end of it

because it's just like an endless, you know, endlessly repeating fractal of reality, right? We start where we are, we go up, we look at solar systems and then galaxies and then universes and then we find out. I think they're finally saying that we're on the other side of a black hole, right? And that was the big bang. Well, yeah, it's called a white hole. Right?

When things go through a black hole, they come out through a white hole, right? This is something that... I've never heard that. It's Suk. It's Akbentov saw in Stalking the Wild Pendulum. Right? That's a good book that people should read. I highly recommend. But that's what he saw.

It's just... We're just, you know... And that's just a way that the universe recycles matter. Right. But physicists are finally... I think there was Joe Rogan just did an episode with a physicist. And she kind of poses that like it's a novel theory. Like, it's been around for...

50 well since the 1970s at least because it's up bent off just speculated on it and what is this idea that if you were to go into a black hole you would reemerge well you probably i mean your matter would reemerge right but i mean you would be spaghettified and you know i atomized but it would be like it would just shoot it out into another universe hmm and then it would just infinitely form again right yeah i just i don't know there's something about like when when people are trying to invoke like non-human intelligence, like when they're doing like CE5 or things like that, but I'm just like a little leery.

It's a seance. It feels like a- That's exactly what it is. It's the same thing. It's just, it's another word for the same thing. So- And I've known people that have done it successfully, where they're like, yeah, I went out, I was with a person,

I did some basically like an incantation, and I manifested these lights and I saw these lights kind of pop up in the sky out in a field and they kind of like danced around and then they went away. Did they have like poltergeist activity later on at their homes? They didn't say, but I also didn't ask. Yeah, just ask. Sometimes they do. Like, some people get freaked out because that's effectively what it is.

Mm-hmm. And there was an experiment with that. Again, I don't know if Steve Merritt did it, but it was done in Britain in the 1990s called the Skoll Experiment, S-C-O-L-E, and they did a series of seances. and they could have worked through. First you'll get poltergeist activity, then you'll hear disembodied voices, then you get a ports, which are physical manifestations, right?

So, you know, it might be a, I don't know about in this case, but you see it in like cryptid sort of stuff with Bigfoot, where like a marble will appear out of nowhere, just drop on the floor. That's a port. So they would get a ports, and then they would would start to see physical entities. I think they had one thing where the table just started spinning.

And it was spinning so fast. They were like, all right, we gotta shut this thing down because somebody could get hurt. If somebody touched it, they would lost their hand. I mean, it was like, and at one point they had an entity called Mr. Blue. It's on camera. That just appeared. Yeah, so you can find it's on the internet.

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I think he calls it a demon. Like, is that all kind of touching on the same thing? This is what theory is. You're invoking other. And if you start doing that, your plan, like your Catholicism will, like, is something that would protect you from, would tell you, don't do this, don't try it. Right. Unless you're praying to God or you're praying to, like, angels or... Well, that's the thing. Like, it's an interesting kind of delineation. I was just talking with a friend about this because he's like, well, what happens in, you know, Mass, right?

Like, you read from this ancient text. Oh, it's a ritual. And you hold up this bread that then is transubstantiated to now embodying, the soul of, you know, God effectively. And then you consume it. And then you then pray to that same being. And you, you know, do a rosary that's sort of like this meditative kind of labyrinth kind of thing. And he's like, this is what all magic is, basically.

Yeah. The Catholic Church has, in terms of, like, magical, like, ritualized ceremonies is the goat. I can be careful when I say that. Because when you say the goat, you're like, it's almost as if you're invoking a baffamut. Right. Right. Like, somebody said something like that.

Like, why are people saying that all the time? I'm like, yeah, I don't know. Oh, that's funny. Right? Because the first context of goat I heard was like in West Point, the last person in the class. Greatest of all time. Well, I know, but before I heard that, like at West Point,

if you're the goat, you graduated last in your class. Oh, really? Yeah. Oh, that's funny. like Pickett from Pickett's charge, he was the goat of his class. Oh, that's funny. But yeah, but now it's been to him the greatest of all time. I'm like, when did this?

Oh, that's hilarious. Where did this come from? But no, the Catholic Mass is very much ritualistic. And then, like, as a religious person, I'm like, well, these are, you know, genuine rituals that are meant to connect with God, which, in my opinion, is omniscient and benevolent. And similarly, these things can be inverted to then encant evil things. I mean, the Catholic Church explicitly says that only the priesthood is allowed to engage in these magical rituals, basically. Right.

Like, it's borderline. The lady is not. The lady is not. Right. But if you talk to Dean Raden, like, I mentioned something about the ceremony of the Catholic church and he was like pissed. He's like, yeah. He's like, they do all that, but they don't want anybody else do it.

He's kind of like, because he's a Jewish guy, right? He's kind of pissed off. That's a fair point. But what he said is that prayer and spells from an imperman, the way, you know, the way he's from an empirical standpoint, so now we're talking about enchantment, right? Mm-hmm. We're actually, no, I don't know. Sorry, prayers are the erogy, for sure, because you're invoking unity.

But the practical effect of both are indistinguishable. Mm-hmm. But they have an impact. Right. So, like, prayer works. Right. I mean, that's how I feel. And at the same time, when people are doing, like, non-sanctioned magical rituals,

that's where I'm like, hey, you're dealing with something that I think is, potentially hazardous. Yeah. Yeah. So we talk about these seances and stuff. They have to shut down the experiment because it got, do you, did you look up Mr. Blue? Are you able to keep... Can you just pull up like the skull experiment? Yes. Yeah, C-O-L-E and then just come with Mr. Blue. There'll be pictures on it to show up. Okay, so the school experiment was a publicized five-year investigation conducted in Norfolk, England, four mediums and a team of research. Surge claimed to have contacted the dead,

producing phenomena like levitation, light beams, and images imprinted on a seal photographic film. Now, do you think that this has, I guess, like academic scrutiny? Like, do you think this was done in a legitimate way? Yeah, it definitely was. They invited various academics to check. Because with like the sealed film, they kept it,

they didn't even open it, take it out of the packages. And whatever entity were, I don't necessarily Whatever they were interfacing with claimed they were the dead. That doesn't mean they were the dead. Right, they could say anything. Right. Now, what about, like, the law of one? Are you familiar with this?

Like, the raw tapes? Raw materials. Yeah. I'm familiar with what they are, but I haven't. I haven't read them. They were channeled. Didn't the guy who, one of the guys that developed it? Was it Daniel Elkins or something like that?

I'm not sure. He was committed so... Oh, really? Yeah, there was like, there was like a bad end for him. It's either the law of one or it was the Seth materials. I can't remember which one it was. Right. I think his name was Elkin, Elkins.

Interesting. Yeah, that to me is why I'm like, I just don't know. Like, Alastair Crowley, you look at the end of his life, it wasn't great. Like all of these guys that are deep in the occult and working on the stuff. Parsons. Yeah, right? He explodes in his lab or something like that? Well, there's an explosion whether or not there are any number of reasons.

It could be, you know, the Israelis did it or the, because he was working with them. It could be the US government did it. It could be that he just messed up or it could be, Brian was doing some, another ritual. Right. But yeah, there was something that he did that, yes, that's what I'm going to say. So like Steve Mera said that in contacting these things, the phenomenon, for lack of a better word, there's a fast way and there's a slow way. The school experiment was the slow way.

The fast way is kind of some of the stuff that Crowley and Parsons did. So it's like sex magic, blood magic, right? Like what you were seeing with the Aztecs, like, were they really that backward, that they were just like, had this random belief and decided to execute all these people and sacrifice them?

or did they get something out of it? Right. My guess would be, I mean, these people had accurate solar calendars, lunar calendars, all sorts of things, right? Extremely sophisticated mathematics. And they're just sacrificing people, like, they're that primitive. Right. There's something to it.

Like, these people got something out of it. And I think the whole Epstein thing is just the tip of the iceberg on that stuff. I think, you know, our elites may. still be or may be engaged in practices like this. Mm-hmm. I'm not saying that they are, but like, everything's a ritual. Right. Now, when it comes to non-human intelligence,

like, specifically, like, these grays, to me, it's not that crazy of an idea that they're kind of the same thing. These are kind of interdimensional. I think that's probably, right. The other element of this is that almost all the people I know that experience these kinds of UFO, UAP, like phenomena, almost all at least from anecdotal, the ones I've spoken to, they had an interest in it before.

And shortly after really delving into it, then these things kind of present themselves, where it's like, yeah, I didn't really know anything about it. I picked up a book, and I started reading about these grays, and all of a sudden I had this out-abody experience where I was being abducted. Or I had a friend who was telling me about it, and I started reading about it, and then it happened.

And it's kind of always predicated by opening up yourself to this idea. And I don't know if that's an element of it, or it's just maybe a... It might be a... It might be a... be like what one thing I've often wondered again this is like Catholic indoctrination okay but like how many these people are baptized that this stuff happens to right

and like Laird wasn't baptized right and he's having like these horrific dreams it doesn't mean that's what it is but I'm sure what so was baptized right and his whatever his denomination was, right? Pentecostal, maybe. But he has these visions of the lady and, but so did, like, our lady of Fatima, right, in 1917 in Portugal. And I also think the Catholic Church has not been entirely kind of straightforward on what some of these things are, right? Right. They'll take kind of these events that typically are based on local, cultures and they'll just syncretize it into kind of the Catholic Church and say, okay, you saw this white lady, okay, boom, that's Mary. Let's move on. Right. So you had, you know, Guadalupe

Hidalgo, or sorry, it's the treaty of our lady, Guadalupe. You know, it's based on a, like, there is a legit Aztec entity that looks like that, right? Um, and, um, and, you know, it's based on a, like, there is a legit Aztec entity that looks like that, right? You also had kind of Lord's Medagorgia, sorry, in like former Yugoslavia, you had. The one in Egypt is very interesting. Which one was the one? Can you search the Marian apparition in Egypt?

I actually just came across this recently. All of my Catholics- This is the second time I've heard about this, and I haven't. We should pull up a little description. I'm not, I will not claim to be an expert in the specific apparition. But it's a very interesting one because it was photographed.

And you're the second person to say that too. Yeah, so basically it was in Zietun in Cairo. I think that is the one. So April in 1960, a glowing luminous figure identified as the Virgin Mary appeared regularly on the domes of the church, witnessed by hundreds of thousands, including Christians, Muslims, and secular figures like President Gamal Abdel Nassir.

Apparitions lasted for a few minutes to several hours, and figures were often accompanied by luminous flying doves in geometric formations. Can you scroll down? The apparitions were officially investigated and recognized as authentic by the Coptic Orthodox Pope. And can you go to images? There's a couple of infamous images.

Again, this is in the 60s. Yeah, because it sounds like the Catholic Church hasn't approved this, right? So that's why we haven't heard about it. Or I guess. It's the Coptic Orthodox Church. Right. So if you go to images, I believe this is like one of the original

images. I don't know what has been. doctored or what? I mean, it's so difficult to know. But this is, I guess, what people have documented. I'm like, is this legitimate? Is it a sci-op? Is this? I don't know what to make of this. Well, I mean, it's very consistent with the lore about the lady, right? Mm-hmm. Which is, gets grouped into Marian apparitions,

but it's also similar to, like, fertility goddesses in the world. typically in like pagan, the pagan calendar in like the UK or England and Ireland. Mm-hmm. Kind of like the spring renewal, like May, whatever the pagan holidays would be, which is why Easter is what it is. Right. Right. They brought in all that. That's why you have Easter eggs and like Easter bunny and stuff like that because they're trying to loop in all those pagan traditions.

in order to legitimize the Catholic Church when it spread to the north. So the intelligence community is like scared shitless by this thing, whatever it is. Because when Blitzotso saw it, they all showed up on his doorstep. Why? Oh, really? Because I think there's like a lot of like death associated with, it usually appears at times of like great conflict and strife. I mean, I think, or later, Fatima, was right around World War I.

It was 1917, yeah. Yeah. It was toward the end, though. That's the, um, I'm trying to think when the other ones, I don't know when Guadalupe was. It's probably like 1531, I think. Something, yeah. So what happened? I mean, the indigenous people's got basically wiped out.

Right. Yeah, it's a, I don't know, to me, I'm, I'm, maybe I'm skeptical of, like, the malevolence of aliens or non-human intelligence. I'm, I have no human intelligence. I have no interest in being visited. Oh, there's no malevolent. Let's just, you know, again, this is speculation. But imagine that Earth, right, is just a more advanced organism than we are, right? And it, this is an emanation of Gaia, right?

And sometimes you have too many lice on your back, and you got to get rid of the lice, and that's all she's doing. So it's bad for us, it's malevolvelling. for us, but for the planet, it's healthy. Right. But where's God in that? Well, it could be that God, you know, like you said, it's a simulation and we're all here to learn, and we choose this time, and, you know, we're gonna learn

what's better to learn to put somebody into crisis. Yeah. So, now, you know, somebody who's been rich, that's not gonna, it's not gonna make them feel any better. Sure. Right. So I, there are some things that happen, well, let's take that off the table because I don't want to even go there, but they can't even imagine that. But there are times in your life when you struggle and you come out better for it, but not

always. Right. Right. So maybe it's just a test to help us learn and grow. I don't know. Have you experienced anything related to the phenomenon? Have you seen a UFO or a UAP or something that you can? couldn't explain? The stuff that happens to me kind of fits in three or four different categories,

right? So 99.999% is plausibly denialable, right? So I told the dream story, right? But I would say in dreaming there's that phenomenon where I can, there's some sort of influence either just pedestrian, where I just trigger their subconscious or something actually really does happen. That would be one. The pre-cognitive dreaming hasn't happened often. I probably have three or four documented instances. The fourth, you can't really count,

it's just because I didn't write it down before I checked it. So, which is a weird one. I had a dream about the philosophy of the Unabomber. It made no sense. Usually that's how they come. Like, they have nothing to do with you. to make no sense. Ted Kaczynski?

Ted Kaczynski. And then that morning, when I went downstairs, he had died that day. Weird. So, but I didn't write it down. So I can't, you know, the one I told you earlier, so that's two out of four. The other is just like the synchronicity stuff, right?

That it just, one-off, so you can easily write off, like the whole Guadalupe, our lady of Guadalupe, the fact that I had a dream a week, could go about something similar to that. It's weird. That's a synchronicity. Or I'll reach out to someone like James I and Dolly. I reached out to him.

Oh, yeah. Yeah, he's, he's, he's not far. And when I reached out to him, I asked him be on the show. And he's just like, that's weird. I had a dream about being on your show last night. Like there's stuff like that that happens. And it's just like one-offs, you can easily say, eh, whatever. But there's a lot of that.

So you call him synchronicities. the third or the fourth there's a fifth one but it happened so fast it's hard to I may have seen like an orb once this was in August 2023 I went outside between one and two a.m. And I'm just kind of looking up and this it was like the size of a basketball looked like a mini sun

and in like half a second to one second it just flew over the house and into the Sacramento Delta I'm gone. I could tell you it wasn't a drone, 100%, wasn't an aircraft, wasn't a helicopter. The only thing it could have plausibly been other than something like that would be if somebody drove up to the front of my house, got like a massive searchlight, and shined it and put it on a crane and shined it above my house, and then that's the only conventional explanation I got able to happen so fast that I, you know, I wouldn't, I wouldn't put that in an affidavit because I, have it so fast. The last thing is the, like the weird animal stuff. I'm seeing owls.

But I mean, like, have you ever had an owl, like a great horned owl, land on your fence, you're able to walk up to it, take a thousand photos of it, video, all that. So if you watch any one of my videos at the very end, I have like a little, like, a grifting. like buy my stuff. There's an owl in that, right? That's the owl on my fence. We're just kind of looking that I physically recorded. But I probably saw an owl twice in my life up to that point,

and now I have hundreds of videos. And they get close, like closer than, same thing with mainly raptors, right? So I could show you on my phone. I have one that I was just in a tree. I walked up to it. And it was, you know, just above it. Hawk, raptors, like owls, hawks, ravens.

So there was another night I went into my backyard, and there was a fox. And he kind of saw me, ran up the hill, and I kind of walked up the hill to do something else. And then I did it, came back down, and I just kind of felt a presence on my left. So I looked up, and three feet away, there were two eyes. two eyes. So we were just staring at each other. He was three feet from my face. Like, that's not, that's not normal. Right. So there's just a lot of stuff like that that with animals in particular, I've had a bear walk up to my car. And I, like, I didn't think too much of it at the time. Like, like, just driving down the sierras and this big bear just

walked across the road. And when these things happen on a one-off basis, it's not like you don't, We don't put anything into it. But over time, they start to accumulate, and it just gets kind of weird. So there's just some weird, like, animal. Have you ever been stung by a bee? It's not since I was a kid. Never been stung.

Really? Like, I got these giant bumblebees in my backyard. Just walk right through them. They never touch me. Very gentle. So I don't know. Like, I probably sound like a crazy person. But there's something with, there's some, like, aspect of nature

that once you say, start opening up with your intuition and start answering these questions. It's almost like reality is reflective, right? It starts to show you things about reality that you're not, you don't expect. Interesting. Anyway, I don't want to, like, but there's nothing, aside from that one incident I told you about, there's nothing that is like, would convince a skeptic. Sure.

It's just like, yeah, you just see a lot of owls. There's owls live in your area. Yeah. You know, it's just, it is what it is. Right, so. Yeah, I've never experienced it and I, I don't wish to, to be fine, to be honest with you. Oh, really? I have no interest.

I am completely happy with my consensus reality and outside of what God wishes to reveal to me, that's all I'm interested in. That's, I think that's healthy, because there's some people that they want this and then they- Seems like a Faustian deal. They get it. Like I interviewed a guy, Jay, Major Alski. And it hasn't appeared yet, but it will appear. He's one of, like, Bledso, like the lady appeared to him, but like, literally, like,

a physical apparition showed up in his yard. And it had, was flanked by these two hooded males. And she offered him a sword. And again, I'm just reporting this. And when she offered him a sword and he went to to touch it, he had like this flashback of just these endless memories of him like riding like on horseback and just like killing and killing and killing like blood everywhere. And once he saw that, he's like, I'm not, no, I'm not doing this again.

I'm not doing this again. And these two entities kind of, the flanked or kind of move forward, like really, come on, you're gonna make us do this? Like, what? And he's just like, no, I'm not doing it again. And they just kind of retreated and... But he said she's always kind of there, like in the liminal space, kind of just always just off the edge of his perception.

What does he make of that? It's, it's weird. Well, the intelligence community started messing with him. How? So it's, so he, I mean, he said this, so I'm just going to say, is glad I want to make myself a target here, but you're familiar with voice to skull technology? So back in like the 60s or 70s, we had this capability where, you know, based on the, your shape of your cranium, right?

You can vibrate somebody's cranium with like a sonic frequency and maybe also do it with electromagnetic frequencies where you can literally put a voice in their skull. Like they hear a voice and they, I'm not going to say who did, I'll tell you off offline. He says in my interview, who, like, it's a person that you would know of. And the voice said, you're either with us or against us. And, you know, this guy's kind of like me. It's like, well, fuck you and I'm against you.

You can fucking tell me what to do, right? So, but there have also been people in the intelligence community who've taken a more carrot approach who've been like, hey, why don't you try this camera? This brand of camera's pretty good, you know, you should, what would you tell them what kind of camera to use? What kind of cameras do what? Just to record a podcast.

Just being helpful. Oh, wow. So whatever that brand, whatever camera is, it's been compromised. Wow. So if that's the response you get, your, like, when I'm interviewing people and they talk about this stuff and there's someone from the intelligence community that, like, wants to be involved with them and talk to them, there's fire there, right? there's some smoke. So. Dissar. Well, Sean, I could talk with you all day. This is fantastic.

If people want to keep up with you, where can they find you? Through Glass Darkly with Sean is the YouTube channel, T-A-G-D, you know, Space Podcast on TikTok, Sean Patrick Hazelitt at, you know, dot com. You can find my website, and then you can find me on Facebook, Twitter, LinkedIn, all that good stuff. And a shout out to Kurt. Yes. for, you know, introducing us. And I don't know what that man sees in me. He's a good man, though. He truly is.

Kurt's the man. He's the best. And also your episode with Julian Doer is fantastic. People want to get more of you. They can check that one out. But thank you so much. I really appreciate this. Let's do it again soon.

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