Camp Gagnon - The Ra Tapes: Giza Pyramids, Tesla's Muse, and the Alien Confederation

Episode Date: June 25, 2026

Today, we look at the story of the Ra Tapes. We’ll review how a physicist and a librarian supposedly contacted a 6th-density alien intelligence and the tragic price they paid. Welcome to Camp! 🏕��� Shoutout to our sponsor: GLD -New Customers get 40% OFF With Promo-Code: "CAMP" When They Visit: https://GLD.com Want the even WILDER theories? SIGN UP TO THE PATREON: https://www.patreon.com/cw/CampGagnon 👕🧢 Shop CAMP Merch: https://camp-rd.com/collections/ufo 🎟️ 🎫 Comedy Tour Tickets: https://markgagnonlive.com 🎩👽 Daily Dose Of History: https://www.dailytodayinhistory.com timestamps: 0:00 Christos YAPPIN + Shoutout to The SANDMAN 3:02 Researchers Behind the Contact 6:30 Contact w/ The Confederation 8:48 Ra’s First Contact 10:27 Constructing Giza Pyramids + Egyptian Sun God 13:26 Ritual of Ra + Carla’s Health Declines 17:20 The Density Levels 21:22 75,000 Year Harvest of Earth + Kali Yuga 23:06 The Orion Group + Starseeds on Earth 25:09 Planet of Maldek + Bigfoot Origins 26:37 Ra Contacts Nikola Tesla 28:29 Final Contact w/ Ra 31:41 What REALLY happened? 33:35 Drop Your Thoughts! #campgagnon #podcast #history #foryou Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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free of charge. BetMGM operates pursuant to an operating agreement with Eye Gaming, Ontario. January, 1981. Three people are sitting in a room with a tape recorder, a Bible, and a single candle. There's a woman laying flat on her back, slowly falling into a trance so deep that her friends genuinely believe that her soul was leaving her body. And then a voice comes through her and it says, I am raw. I greet you in the love and in the light of the infinite creator.

Over the next three years, that voice answered questions across 170. recorded sessions. It explains the structure of the universe, the purpose of human existence, the construction of the pyramids, an ancient planetary war, and even what Bigfoot is. But then the project ended with a tragedy that the people involved believe was caused by whatever was in that room. This is the story of the raw tapes and the law of one. So, sit back, relax, and welcome to What's up people and welcome back to camp. My name is Mark Gagnon and thank you for joining me in my tent where every single week we explore the most interesting, fascinating, controversial stories from around the world from all time forever.

Yes, that is what I do on this channel. Every single week, twice a week, maybe three times one day, right, Christos? Absolutely not. No time for that, Christos, because we're talking about something wild. And that's what I do here. I jump into all of the craziest, most wild theories and deep dives that I could find on the Internet. I was raised by a conspiracy theorist, so I've lived my entire existence ingratiated into these theories, different ideas, esoteric knowledge, mysteries of the universe, and this show is a way for me to try to understand my own life as well as the world that we all live in. I almost view the show as like a sports center for conspiracy theories and mysteries, you know. I'm not here to convince you one way or another. I just want to lay out all the facts in an unbiased way, and you can do with it what you will. Now, today, we have to be a sports center for conspiracy theories and mysteries, you know. Now, today we have.

have a fascinating topic. It is truly one of the most interesting ones I've read about. I first came across this. I was scrolling on Reddit, and I found a sub-breddy called The Law of One. And I was like, what is this? And I like dove into it, and it's this interesting form

where people are like sharing these tapes and their ideas about what it all means. And I was like, what is this from? And I started reading into it, and I was like, this is crazy. And then I got sidetracked with life. And then I go to a show in Denver, and I link up with none other than Corey Sandhagen.

the UFC fighter. And he goes, dude, camp is fire. Have you done an episode on the raw material or the law of one? And I was like, no, but I've read about it. And he goes, look into a dude. It's crazy. Also, that guy, crechesos is great. I don't know if you mentioned that. But this is finally my deep dive. So shout out to Corey. Thank you so much. I appreciate you for putting me on and giving me the push that I needed to jump into the raw material. Now, what is this? There's these people that are channeling this entity, this being that explains all the secrets of the universe. And what are the secrets? What does it say about us?

Well, before we can understand the material, we have to understand the three people who produced it. And potentially the three plus the alien intelligence. But specifically the three people that we can document because this is where the strangest really all begins. First you have Don Elkins. He was the scientist. Born in Louisville in the 1930s, he held four university degrees. He served in the Army during the Korean War, and he spent 12 years as a professor of physics and engineering at the University of Louisville. He literally founded the mechanical engineering department at the University of Alaska.

This is not some random, kooky dude. This is a tenured physicist. But Don had an obsession that didn't fit into the resume. He was obsessed with UFOs and reincarnation. And in 1965, he walked away from his very comfortable job as a tenured professor, to give himself more time to research the paranormal. And in order to pay the bills in the meantime, he becomes a commercial pilot, and eventually a captain flying Boeing 727s for Eastern Airlines.

So think about that. The man asking the questions on these tapes spent his days flying passenger jets and his evenings investigating extraterrestrial contact and also has a bunch of degrees and is a very legitimate academic in his own right. And then, of course, there's Carla Rookert. She's the person actually channeling the voice. Born in 1943, she had degrees in English literature and library science, and actually worked as a librarian and was a trained vocalist.

She joined Don's meditation group in 1962 and became his full-time research partner in 1970. And the two of them founded L-L Research, L-slash-L standing for Love and Light, which is essentially the place where all of this material is housed. And by 1974, Carla had started what's called conscious channeling, meaning that she would relay messages while she was awake and aware. And now the third person in the story is Jim McCartney. Jim was the most unlikely. He was born in Nebraska in 1947, and he had a business degree and a master's in education.

But then in 1974, he did something that most people only fantasize about. He moved into the Kentucky wilderness, built his own log cabin by hand, and just basically lived off the grid. He literally was just like living off the land that he was around in the wilderness in Kentucky. So he meets up with Don and Carla in 1979 and then joins them in December of 1980. And this is the part that matters.

Jim joined in December of 1980. The raw contact began three weeks later. So for 20 years, Don and Carla had been running channeling experiments that produced at best vague, kind of philosophical mush. But the moment Jim joined the group, something fundamental changed. Raw later described Jim's role as a kind of energetic battery that the contact apparently needed. Hey, real quick, most people who watch this channel aren't subscribed. And when you subscribe, you help the channel grow and you stay in the loop with every new drop.

Religion camp, history camp, and camp gagnon. Now let's get back to it. So, when people hear that Don and Carlett channeled for 20 years before 1981, They picture like 20 years of silence followed by like this random alien voice that's now telling them the secrets of the universe. That's not really what happened. They had been getting answers the whole time just from somebody else. So starting around 1974, the group began making contact with sources that all identified themselves as belonging to the same organization. And they called it the Confederation of Planets in the Service of the One Infinite Creator.

So love and light research just calls it the Confederation. You can basically think of as like, this is a galactic alliance of positively oriented civilizations, beings who've moved past human levels and whose entire stated purpose is to just help humanity. And according to them, they came to Earth for one reason. The harvest is near. And they're here to help as many souls as possible make the jump. And these weren't one-off contacts. they happened so much that the team of researchers actually learned their name.

Hatton was part of what the group called fourth density, the density of love. And a density is essentially the consciousness level that the being is at. So Hatton comes across as warm, philosophical, down to earth. And in the introduction to book one, it's basically this being, Hatton, who lays out the whole mission, describing itself bluntly as one of the harvesters sent to gather the souls that are ready to move on. And then of course, you have Latui. This is a part of the fifth density group.

This is the density of wisdom. Latui is more scientific, more analytical, and a lot of times like kind of funny and unpredictable. Ra would later refer to Latui as the Comforter. But then of course, there are others like Oxal and Yom and Letos. And that is the basis of those first two decades. But here's the thing. Ra was a member of that same,

Confederation. Same alliance, same missions, same harvest. So Ra sat two full densities higher than Hatton inside the six density instead of the fourth. And it would only communicate through a method none of the other ones required. And this was a deep trance. So that difference is the reason why people in that room knew that something had changed. It also explains the cosmology that we're going to get into a little bit later, like the Council of Saturn and the quarantine and the harvest. Those aren't Raw's own ideas. That's the Confederation's framework, and Ra was detailing everything that was planned for the future. So getting into actually talking with Raw, one of the most overlooked things about the raw contact is that nobody was actually trying to contact this being. On January 15, 1981,

the group was running a routine teaching session for one of the members of their Sunday meditation circle who was actually learning how to channel. And Don sat in to observe, and Carla went to her usual trans state to help the demonstration. But instead of the usual vague Confederation messaging, something very different came through. A being started to speak through Carla and identified itself as raw. And it spoke in a way that none of the other contexts ever had.

It was direct and structured and willing to answer technical questions in detail. Now, the whole thing started as a training exercise that just kind of went sideways. It wasn't summoned. directly, it just kind of showed up. So who or what, rather, was on the other side? Well, it was raw. And Raw says that it's not a single being. It kind of calls itself a social memory complex, essentially a hive wind, a collection of billions of individual souls who have evolved to

the point where their consciousness has merged with one shared awareness. So when Raw says, I. It means all of them at once. It's almost like talking to like AI back in the 80s. You know, like the way you talk to AI and AI will be like, you know, I think this. It's like, okay, I is actually just like the collective data of everything that's ever been collected by chat, GBT, for example. So, Raw says it evolved on Venus, which is sort of interesting because there's a very real group of scientists who think that life is possible in Venus's atmosphere, but that's a tangent. Ra also claimed that they helped build the pyramids using thought power, but left when the Egyptians distorted their teachings into a religion of elites and a priestly

class. And if you know anything about Egyptian history, you probably heard the name Ra, because that is the actual name of the Egyptian sun god. Now, maybe that's a coincidence, or maybe that's, you know, evidence that, you know, these researchers were familiar with, you know, ancient Egyptian history. Or maybe it's proof that Raw has been here before. Now, as we mentioned earlier, Raw is a part of this sixth density. And we're going to get into the full density ladder in a second, but the short version is that Ra describes itself as roughly two whole evolutionary tiers above present-day humanity. Advanced enough to merge minds across an entire species, advanced enough to speak across dimensions, but not advanced enough to stop making mistakes. And it's surprisingly honest about the mistakes

that it made on Earth. In fact, Rae admits that its attempts to fast-track humanity, spiritual evolution has backfired a bunch of times. I mean, first was the pyramid mistake. So while Ra helped construct the pyramids as an instrument of healing and initiation meant for everyone, it failed to take into account just the nature of human greed. So, according to this account, Ra watched as Earth's rulers co-opted the structures and turned them from a tool of universal unity into a massive symbol of exclusion and, you know,

elite power and divine hierarchy. There was also the deification mistake. By manifesting physically to teach the law of one directly, Rae accidentally fueled the exact opposite of its message. Instead of absorbing the philosophy of universal equality, humans did what humans do. They worship them. They turned raw instead of a being of great wisdom. there to help humanity sort of in collaboration, human beings turned Rae into the sun god and

ultimately formed an entire hierarchy of religion. Raa admits that as a harmonious social memory complex, which again is how it refers to itself, a social memory complex, it simply didn't grasp the human capacity for elitism and tribalism and polarization and greed and distortion of power. So by handing over advanced concepts and tools as shortcuts, Raa accidentally fueled the very inequality that it was trying to cure. So because of this, Ra went away and left its physical form. And the collective realized that handing humanity shortcuts only distorts the natural evolution, which is why Ra now limits itself to communicating through very narrow, carefully guarded channels

determined never to repeat the same mistakes of ancient Egypt. Now, the raw contact wasn't conscious channeling like Carla normally did. It's a little different. It's subtle, but it's called trans-channeling. Raw's claim was that during sessions, Carla's spirit actually left her body, and Ra used her empty physical vessel from a distance to operate her mouth and produce the answers. Ra said it only had the grossest control over her body. It sometimes couldn't even reposition her hands.

when her arthritis flared up, because it didn't actually have fine motor control over a body that was controlling. And because her spirit was supposedly out of her body, Ra insisted on an exact ritual protocol to protect her. Because if you get it wrong, and the warning was very blunt, her spirit may never make it back into her. So here's how the ritual worked.

You would have an altar or like a small table positioned at the head of the channeler, and then you would have a Bible, open specifically to the Gospel of John, Chapter 1. The in the beginning was the word and the word was God the word or the word was with God the word was God that passage which is said to symbolize the one and then a white candle placed behind the book a chalice of water on one side basically like you know incense on the other side and then Carla lying in a white robe with her eyes covered and her body aligned along a line that Ra specified down to the angle now even crazier ra actually gave a specific schedule If a session was held after sundown rather than in daylight, Carla had to be called into trance before the artificial lights were switched on. And that's how serious this entity was about these rules.

Now, the toll that these sessions had on Carla was visible. She was already living with very severe arthritis and kidney problems, and the sessions eventually caused her weight to drop to like 80 pounds. She was extremely thin. Ra eventually told the group that Carla was running on borrowed energy and that continuing these sessions would eventually kill her. Specifically, Ra refers to her body as the yellow ray physical vehicle. And in the realm of chakras, this is seen as the physical body.

But that didn't stop the sessions. The group was so desperate for the message that Ra was sending that it continued. But what were they actually after? Now, if you strip away all the cosmic beings and the ancient Egypt story, the entire philosophy comes down to a single sentence, that everything is one thing. You, me, the person that you hate, the homeless guy in the corner,

the French fry that's in between, like, your car, like the chair of your car and like the console, like all of that is the infinite creator experiencing itself from a billion different angles. Every separation that you perceive is what Raw calls distortion. So it's not a lie,

but it's kind of this intentional fragmenting, so the creator can know itself through the eyes of its own pieces. That is the law of one. Unity is the baseline. Everything that is not unity, that's illusion. But the illusion is kind of where it gets fun. So raw maps all of existence into seven densities,

which are the levels of consciousness that we mentioned. Each one holds a denser concentration of light and awareness than the last. So you can think of as like the hierarchy that the soul moves through as it learns and progresses, to higher levels. So first you have the first density. This is the raw elements. So earth, air, water, fire, you know, like, what is it, Avatar stuff? Pokemon energy cards. Pokemon energy cards, all that stuff. The basic building blocks

become aware that they exist. And then the second density, that's biological life. So you have plants, animals, their instincts becoming sharp, and the first signs of individual self-awareness. And then you have the third density. That's us. That's human beings. Ra calls this the density of choice, and it considers it the single most important and most difficult level on the entire ladder.

And I'll explain why in just a second, but keep going through. The fourth density. This is the density of love and understanding. Remember, this is where that being Haton resides. This level is where compassion becomes the dominant principle, and beings can read each other's thoughts. They have telepathy. And then you have the fifth density.

It's the density of wisdom. and light. Then you have the sixth density, and this is the density of unity, where love and wisdom finally balance, and this is where raw actually resides. And then you have the final level, and that's the seventh density. And this is the gateway. This is where the soul rejoins the creator, and the cycle is complete. Hey, guys, we're going to take a break really quick, because I want to talk to you about GLD. This is an awesome new company that we're working with that I'm actually wearing right now. I actually got this crucifix right here. And honestly, even just getting it. You know, sometimes like when you work with some companies, you're like,

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of, I guess, density, right? This sort of like spiritual consciousness vibration. Now, Raw says that the third density, the one that we're on right now, human life is the most difficult. And this density exists because of one reason. We have to make what they call the choice. Now, there are only two valid ways to pass this level.

You can either choose the path of service to others, the positive, love-based path. And to graduate this way, Ross says that you need to be at least 51% oriented towards serving others, just over halfway. You tip the scale towards love and you've passed. Or you can choose service to self. This is the negative path built on control and domination and manipulation.

And this is the part that people find fascinating. The negative path is a legitimate route forward, but the bar is brutal. You need to be in 95% service to yourself in order to graduate. So you need to basically be in like pure total commitment to yourself. If you're 80% committed to yourself and 20% committed to other people, most people would be like, oh, you're kind of a-hole. Well, that's still not good enough to pass this test. You need complete commitment to selfishness.

Raw is basically saying that being mostly decent is good enough to pass the test, while being evil requires near-perfect dedication. If you're going to go the selfish path, you can't be lukewarm. If you land in the middle where you're not loving enough, you're not ruthless enough, you don't graduate at all. You repeat the third density. and you get held back by like the cosmic grade, I guess. Now, this whole sorting happens during something that Ra mentioned earlier.

This is the harvest, a roughly 75,000-year cycle, at the end of which souls move up or they repeat. Now, according to Ra, Earth is right at the tail of one of those cycles right now. Now, just a fun little tidbit, Raw isn't the only one claiming that we're in the end times. So in ancient Hindu cosmology, time isn't a straight line. It's a repeating cycle made up of four distinct eras called yugs. And according to this Hindu philosophy, we are currently living deep inside the fourth and the final era. This is the Caliug.

Now, this is often translated to the Age of Darkness or the Age of Vice, and the Caliug is a time of intense spiritual decline and corruption and materialism and greed and a total disconnect from all the higher truths. It is the rock bottom of the cosmic cycle where humanity is at its most divine. and chaotic time. And then ultimately, it is reborn and then repeats. But here's where it perfectly kind of mirrors this raw teaching. So just like Ra describes the harvest as a repetition at the end of this 75,000-year cycle, Hindu philosophy doesn't view the end of the Cali-Ug as an apocalypse. It just sees it as a cosmic reset. When the Cali-Ug finally collapses under its own toxic weight,

you know, humanity basically graduates. The wheel turns and we transition back into the Satya Yug. This is the golden age of truth and unity and enlightenment. So whether you're listening to this channeled entity called Ra or reading ancient Sanskrit text from thousands of years ago, the core message here is the same. Things will get incredibly dark and messy right before we actually level up as a species. Now, Ra didn't just give information about the law of one how to advance spiritually. He also told ancient cosmic stories. Rae describes a negative sort of, you know, self-obsessed confederation operating mostly from fourth and fifth density called the Orion Group, literally seen as like bad guys. Their entire project is finding planets

to harvest negatively. And their method isn't laser beams or some battle or war. It's through manipulation. They work through powerful people, billionaires, elites, power structures, psychic pressure. And Raw claims there were a constant interfering presence during the sessions themselves, that as Raw was channeling through Carla, that the Orion group was trying to stop them because they didn't want them to actually wake up to this knowledge. Raw also says that Earth sits inside a kind of spiritual containment field called the quarantine, which is maintained by something called the Council of Saturn. Now, this probably sounds wild to you because it kind of is, but this is what the philosophy of the law of one proposes,

that the purpose of this quarantine is to protect human free will and to prevent the Orion group from rolling in and taken over, and that they can only act where individual humans invite the energy in. And then you have wanderers or the original star seeds. Raw claims that many people walking around Earth right now are actually fifth and sixth density beings who volunteered to incarnate here under one rule, that they forget who they are when they arrive.

They're here to gently raise the planet's vibration during the harvest. Raw estimates that there are millions of wanderers on Earth right now. Well, interestingly, with this whole story, this is the origin point for the entire modern star seed subculture. So I don't know if you've seen these TikToks of like these people telling you that like, you're a Palladian or you're a Syrian soul. It's kind of pulling directly from the word that Carlos spoke in this. this Kentucky living room in the early 80s.

Now, Ra also makes a couple major claims. Raw gives a history of our solar system in which a planet called Maldek existed between Mars and Jupiter and that its inhabitants destroyed it in this massive catastrophic war. The remains of the planet, Ra says, is in the asteroid belt, and that the souls of beings on Maldek

were so traumatized and guilt-ridden that they got stuck, and many of them eventually reincarnated on Earth. Some of them, which Ra claims as the large second density creature that we actually call Bigfoot. Yeah. That's like literally, Ra's like, hey, like these like cryptids that you see, those are actually like second density creatures that were reincarnated from this civilization that destroyed itself

in this massive war that existed, you know, in our solar system. And according to Raw, this wasn't an accident. These souls were so carmically damaged from this war and this fighting and from basically blowing up their own planet that the cosmic higher-ups basically, put them in like timeout. They were placed into these massive, heavily protected ape-like bodies to live a purely instinctual, isolated existence out in nature, which allows them to slowly heal their spiritual trauma. Raan explains why we don't see them on camera. It claims that these beings are so intensely terrified of human destructiveness that they've cloaked themselves and that they

literally have the ability to slip in and out of our physical dimension just to avoid making contact with us. Now, this one isn't as wild as Bigfoot, but it's still pretty interesting. As we mentioned earlier, Ra claims that it helped build the great pyramids by using thought, but the pyramid was turned into a place of worship in spectacle rather than the original intent, which is as a healing device. So around 10,000 years later, Raw tries again. They transmitted similar cosmic blueprints to a man named Nikola Tesla. The goal this time wasn't a giant stone monument, it was the gift of free, unlimited, wireless energy that Nikola Tesla was working on, and it was given directly to him by this Confederation, by Raw.

According to Raw, if Tesla's work had fully succeeded, it would have freed the entire human race from the daily grind of survival and labor and economics. Energy would have been completely free. It was supposed to liberate us and give humanity the free time and the resources we needed to focus on our own spiritual evolution. But once again, Ra's plan hit a massive wall. Ra claims that Tesla became too isolated and eccentric, making it hard for him to actually deploy the technology purely for all of humanity.

Even worse, his work was quickly intercepted by the exact same kind of earthly greed that ruined the pyramids. Corporate elites, financiers, they realized that they couldn't put a meter on free, limitless energy, so the funding was pulled and the technology was suppressed. So for Raw, this was basically just like a repeat of what happened with the pyramids. They handed humanity the keys to a utopian society twice, and both times human greed got in the way. Now, for the first stretch of this contact, this engagement with Raw

was more about curiosity than it was about, you know, like nailing down like specific details. It was just like engaging and learning about reality. But then things go downhill. As the sessions go on, the group became convinced that they were under a sustained psychic attack from the Orion group. Remember, these negative entities that Ra was talking about, trying to negatively harvest human energy and human souls. The researchers claimed that they were actively trying to disrupt the contact

and harm the people that were involved. And Ra didn't talk them out of it. It reinforced this idea, repeatedly describing the attacks as very real and warning the group to protect themselves. Now, Carla's body kept on failing. the arthritis, the kidney trouble, the weight loss to like 80 pounds. Ra kept telling them that she was operating on borrowed energy.

But the more frightening collapse was Don's. Remember who Don was in this whole thing? The pragmatic physicist, you know, a brilliant mind that was teaching students, literally creating entire departments, an airline captain. He was the guy who stayed cool while everyone around him was kind of crumbling. But by 1984, that man was gone. Those close to him described a severe. your mental and emotional unraveling.

This famously unshakable Don Elkins became, in Jim's later account, intensely affected by even just the smallest things. He'd become fixated on negative entities, on the threat to Carla, and on the idea that something was coming for him. So the group actually moved back to Louisville, hoping that this change would help Don, but it didn't.

On November 7, 1984, Don Elkins took his own life after a year of steep decline. And with Don gone, this triangle was broken. Carla and Jim agreed that they could never safely attempt this Raw trance again, which meant that Session 106 was the last one. The contact with Raw was over, but the contact with the Confederation was still very much alive. And in the years that followed, Carla and Jim would go on to channel other Confederation entities,

like the one known as QO. And it was through those new sessions that they finally got some closure, receiving warmth and comforting messages about Don's passing and his ongoing spiritual journey. And over the years, this project quietly became one of the most influential texts in modern alternative spirituality. Carl and Jim actually got married in 1987 and actually kept the love and light research going, publishing the transcripts as five books known as The Law of One. Carly continued channeling other less demanding sources until a spinal surgery stopped her in 2011 before passing away in 2015.

Jim McCartney is the sole surviving member of this trio and still leads the L&L research to this day. After the release of their book, their ideas leaked out everywhere. The whole vocabulary of densities and service to others versus service to self and star seeds and wanderers, all of it seeped into new age spiritual culture

while stemming ultimately from Carla's interpretation of Ra's message. So what do we make of these tapes? Now, the honest answer is that there are three scenarios. And the first one, I guess, if you were to ask Don, Carla, or Jim, that this was real, that there was a real entity that they were contacting, and that it was truly being channeled, and it was telling them the secrets of the universe. The second option is that it was a shared delusion, that you have three kind of isolated people

that are sort of eccentric and they're deeply bonded, and they're feeding each other's belief until one of them couldn't carry the weight of it anymore. The negative entities were never actually there. They were, you know, the structure of a delusion that turned fatal and it made all of them feel like this was a real experience. And the third one, and maybe this is the most interesting, that Carla, in trance, was tapping into something genuinely deep into the human mind, called the collective unconscious.

This is a concept that Carl Jung refers to as the deepest layer of the human psyche, a universal reservoir of ancestral memories and instincts and symbols that is shared by all human beings, regardless of culture or time or upbringing. Now, maybe there's other options here. Maybe there's another explanation for what happened. But what's not in dispute is the... In Toronto, every arrival is a statement, and nothing says it better than this.

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needed her. And then you have a homesteader who walked out of the woods and became the energetic force of a trio and a contact that gave them the knowledge to ascend from this reality right before it ended in this unimaginable tragedy. Now, according to Raw, of course, none of that is a contradiction because the whole thing, the tapes, the tragedy, you listen to this right now, this is just the infinite creator talking to itself, trying to remember that it was never separate in the first place. And that, my friends, is a brief summary of the story of the raw tapes and the law of one. I mean, quite interesting, you know? Like, all right. I mean, a couple things that are interesting that people that have listened to the original recording say that Carla's voice, like,

distinctly changed when she was channeling this entity and that this was literally a different thing talking to her. And people will point out, like, oh, she was like a trained vocalist, like, she has ability to manipulate her voice. I haven't listened to the original tape so I can't weigh in on that. That's just what people have said. Okay. I mean, there's a lot here. It's interesting that once Jim gets in the mix, that all of a sudden these channelings with like this higher density being start to occur, kind of interesting, right? The other things that give me pause here is like, okay, well, a lot of what they're talking about has kind of existed in like different pockets of literature, even certainly in the 1980s,

like the idea that the pyramids were built using some other type of force or some other type of technology, ancient aliens, whatever. Like, that kind of stuff has existed for a while. And so maybe they're pulling on that. Maybe this idea of like, you know, universes kind of ending and our existence kind of like harvesting and then reincarnating comes from, you know,

Hindu cosmology, going back thousands of years. So maybe they're pulling on a couple different things and kind of amalgamating it into one. I don't know. I don't know what to make of this. my, the Catholic part of me is like, oh, they're channeling a demon, right? Like, that's like, of course. If I ask my mom, my mom would be like, they're obviously channeling a demon. And the demon is using like some good stuff in there like, hey, unity and collectiveness and all being

together and oneness and like using stuff like feels really good, but then mixing it with bad stuff, which is what demons do in order to break your brain. That's one option. The other option is kind of that shared delusion thing. You have these people that are dedicated to channeling to developing their own spirituality to understanding the world around them and that in this sort of, you know, like romance, triangle, sort of new age spiritual movement, they develop this philosophy all by just like kind of combining together and kind of that shared delusion option.

That to me is like, if I had to like pinpoint likelihoods, I'm going to say like 75%. I'm going to give it like 75%, like it was a shared delusion. give me like 15% that they were channeling a demon. And what am I left with? 5%. 10%. Something like that?

By bad, 10%. And then give me like 5% that they're tapping to the collective unconsciousness and then 4% other. 1% that they're talking with Raw, the leader alien of the Confederation. I'm just skeptical. I don't know. Did this actually happen like that?

Like they're talking to Raw and alien that's a part of, of a confederation. There's the other group, the Orion group that's trying to disrupt them and that we exist in this like state of free will where they can't interact with us. I'm like, I don't know. I saw the whole thing as a drug delusion. Well, I don't know if they were doing drugs. Can you fact check? Everything kind of. I mean, tracks. I mean, it wouldn't shock me. I mean, can you just fact check? I never actually even like Googled that. I kind of always assumed like they weren't because if they were doing drugs, I just assumed like this wouldn't go anywhere. People were like, yeah, they were on mushrooms. But who knows?

I mean, double check. The other part of me that I think about with this is it's like, well, let's say it is from raw or it isn't. Did you, did you find it? Several people involved in the early history surrounding the raw, uh, experimented with psychedelic drugs before the raw contact began. I see. So they had psychedelic experiences. But the actual raw sessions themselves were conducted without. So maybe like these feelings of oneness that people feel using psychedelics like kind of seeps through. It's possible. Also the fact that. They got drained of their power and physical abilities afterwards. Kind of tracks. Oh, like having like a hangover from something? No, like they arthritis and they lost power of their body like Harle did. But what do you mean with psychedelics? They could do that. Psychedelics?

Psychedelics, drugs in general. I mean, maybe. I don't know if psychedelics give you arthritis, but I hear your point. Now, the other thing that I think about with this is like, well, is it good? You know what I mean? Like, okay, like, let's see you just like dive in in the stuff. philosophy. I'm like, all right. Like, I guess it's kind of like giving you like a new agey kind of like spiritual framework for like how to understand like death and spirituality and why we're here.

But I don't like this idea that like, hey, you have to be 95% selfish. Like I hate that. Like I don't think that's a good ethic. Like, hey, in order to pass the test, like every religion, more or less is like, be a good person, be humble, give to charity, health and needy. no religion or worldview is like, do that stuff or be the worst person ever. Yeah, but the people high up in religions do that religiously. Hey, but that's a bug. That's not a feature of the religion.

You know what I mean? These are institutionalized religions made up of broken people that certainly have done terrible things. I don't contest you on that point. But all that is say, like a religion that kind of codifies, like, imagine the Ten Commandments where it's like, hey, do all these things. Have no other gods before me.

Don't steal, don't kill, or, Or there's another Ten Commandments that's like, be the worst person ever, 95% of the time, and you can pass the test. See, this is why I'm like, this is a demon. Hot take. I've shifted my scale here. Mostly a demon that's like, hey, be a good person

or be the worst person ever. It's like, what? I mean, maybe I'm totally misunderstanding it. Again, I haven't read the law of one, so I apologize if I'm speaking out of turn here. Please don't hesitate to correct me in the comments if I'm completely missing the point. But that part in and of itself, I'm like,

nah, I don't like it. Don't like it at all. I don't know. What do you guys think? If you've studied the Law of One, if you've read all the books, if you've listened to the original recordings, what did I miss?

Please, let me know if I'm completely out of whack here, if I've missed anything. If you've never heard of this before, and this is your first time hearing about this stuff, please drop a comment. Let me know if you learn anything or if there's any connections to this kind of stuff that I may have missed.

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