Camp Gagnon - The Reality of Uday Hussein

Episode Date: July 10, 2025

Who was Uday Hussein, the infamous son of Saddam Hussein? Today, we explore the terrifying life of the son of the notorious dictator, Saddam Hussein. We’ll discuss his extravagant parties, wild beha...vior, chilling death threats, and even hear accounts from a body double whose main purpose was to take the hit in any assassination attempts on Uday’s life. WELCOME TO CAMP! 🏕️Shoutout to our sponsors: Odoo, Morgan & Morgan, and BlueChewTry Odoo with a 14-day free trial at: http://Odoo.com/CAMP👕🧢 GET YOUR CAMP DRIP HERE: http://camp-rd.com🏕️ Get Today In History Email Here (Free): https://camp.beehiiv.com/🎟️ 🎫 Comedy Tour Tickets Here: https://markgagnonlive.comTimestamps:0:00 Joey Avery Is Back In The Tent1:43 Who Is Uday Hussein?3:36 Uday’s Early Life11:06 Uday’s Wild Habits15:50 Latif Yahia Becomes Uday’s Body Double26:10 Meeting Sadam Hussein + Latif Becomes Uday30:31 Uday Causes Woman to Jump From Balcony34:08 Latif Sent to Torture Chamber40:00 Latiff Escapes Iraq47:16 Uday’s Home Improvement Torture49:21 Uday’s Love For His Mother + Killing Saddam's Taste Tester55:16 Saddam Releases Uday + Uday Comes Back to Iraq56:40 Uday Becomes Head of Iraqi Sports1:01:11 Uday’s Sexual Obsessions + A24 Wedding Crashers1:04:01 Assassination Attempt on Uday1:07:41 Saddam Appoints Qusay Hussein as Ruler1:10:38 USA Finds Qusay & Uday Hiding In Iraq1:12:38 Someone Else Will Raise Your Sons & Daughters Speech1:15:13 US Forces Kill Uday & Qusay Hussein

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Starting point is 00:00:00 The Butcher of Baghdad, also known as Uday Hussein, one of the most evil men to ever live. The son of a brutal dictator who outshined his father in his cruelty and his brutality. He did it for no purpose. He was not trying to further an agenda. Instead, he was being cruel just for the sake of his own sadistic mind. And today we'll be going through all the details, how he got radicalized, the type of lifestyle he lived before all the violence, and of course, all of the atrocious acts that he did. Killing and murdering the people closest to him, stealing newly well.
Starting point is 00:00:30 wed brides from their very own husbands. And of course, all of the brutal and atrocious acts that he did as the dictator's son. I mean, he would take his own body double, a guy that was trained to be identical to him and tortured him for 21 days, only to release him to then get shocked by people trying to kill Ude himself. This story is absolutely tragic, but fortunately at the end, we'll discover how he eventually died. So if you were interested in the morbid and dark stories and how power can corrupt absolutely
Starting point is 00:00:59 absolutely this is the episode for you. So, join me in the tent. Sit back, relax, and welcome to camp. What's up, people, and welcome back to camp. My name is Mark Agdona. Thank you for joining me in my tent where every single week we explore the most interesting, fascinating, controversial stories from around the world from all time, forever that has ever happened. I'm also joined, as usual by my dear friend Gabe. Gabe, how are you? All right, all right, enough of that. I'm also joined by my dear friend and friend of the show. You've seen him, you love him. His name is Joey Abe. Oh, it's great to be here.
Starting point is 00:01:37 How are you, sir? Good. Did you say the best stories of all stories of all time or something right there? Yeah, I think so. It was wild. I like that. I was like, I don't think that's right, but it feels right. Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Starting point is 00:01:47 That's kind of my whole thing with the show is you overpromise, under deliver. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's how you got to do it? I like that. How are you feeling from last night? Last night was fun. Mm-hmm. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:01:56 You almost said it to me like we went out drinking, but what we did was we did our show in New York at Mary Lou, lovely French restaurant, our comedy show, a little, had a little peeing. going on, some improvised comedy. It was very fun. I loved it. It was a wonderful time. Yeah. And as we were there in this beautiful French restaurant, doing comedy, experiencing the joy of laughter, I was like, you know what?
Starting point is 00:02:15 We need to talk about Uday Hussein. Uday. Uday. Hey, Uday. Do you know you're not a big football fan, but the Cincinnati Bengals, I believe. Their whole thing is Houday. Houday?
Starting point is 00:02:28 Or maybe that's the Saints. Oh, it's Houdat, right? Oh, it's Houdat. There's a who there's Houday, Andy, bro. I'm not kidding. There's Hudey and Hude. Houdat, which also might be Saddam Hussein's kids. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:02:39 Well, Houdat is saints. Okay. Houdé, I think, is Bengals. Yeah, Houdai. Yeah. Houdai. Houdai. Yeah. Well, Uday, notoriously tortured many athletes throughout Baghdad.
Starting point is 00:02:52 So it is a tough place to play. Yeah. I mean, evidently, as we will learn. What do you know about Uday Hussein? I actually don't know anything. I think my general going in knowledge of him is kind of what I think the average. American knows, which is like we knew spoiled, rich, very bad behavior, Middle East version of succession, I imagine.
Starting point is 00:03:13 Yes, dude. Probably, like, shot people. And I know, I bet he was using that dick on him. Yeah, well, yeah. But probably in a bad way that I don't support. Yeah, it's not what you supported the way you said it, but whatever. Well, that's why I'm clarifying is, you know, when you say someone be using that day, it's like, but then it's like, but also you got it respectfully.
Starting point is 00:03:30 Yeah, as a weapon. Yeah. Well, yeah. It is. Yeah. Yeah. For all intents of purposes, he was the ultimate Nepo baby and kind of a bad guy, if I do say him so myself. I don't like to get political on this show.
Starting point is 00:03:41 I think this is a fair take. I think it's a relatively fair. I don't call him this, but many have called him the butcher of Baghdad. He's also been known as the Ace of Hearts, the U.S. military deck of most wanted Iraqis. He was the Ace of Hearts. Why do they give? I mean, he's a bad guy, but they gave him such cool nicknames. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:04:02 Ace of Hearts. Are you familiar with, like, the U.S. military, like, playing cards of most wanted criminals? I actually didn't know that. This is a fascinating and hilarious thing that they did during, like, the Iraq War. I think they still do it to this day, probably. But they would do these playing cards with, like, faces of terrorists on them and be like, hey, if you're playing poker, just, like, keep an eye on these guys. Well, it's an effective way to do it. I would love to get my hands.
Starting point is 00:04:25 I'd love to play with that deck. Yeah. Yeah. This is, like, a notorious little thing right here. Acese's right there, dude, Saddam. Daddy. Yeah The Ace of Space
Starting point is 00:04:35 So that's what they were doing This is where our tax dollars are going Shout out USAID Anyway Ude Hussein I was on the USAID episode by the way That's right Yeah
Starting point is 00:04:45 People loved it Good We learned Yeah we did learn We learned Ude is a fascinating guy Morbid dark But I think is an important
Starting point is 00:04:55 sort of footnote In how power corrupts people Specifically the children Are very powerful people It is tough Everyone wants to be powerful, but then you raise shitty rich kids. Oh, yeah. And it's not good.
Starting point is 00:05:06 Uday is the quintessential. So 18th of June, 1964, a little Uday pops out of the world. He's the oldest son of Saddam Hussein, the heir apparent of Saddam's regime. Saddam actually missed Uday's birthday because at the time he was in prison for his part in an assassination plot. So already off to not a great start. Who was he trying to kill? That is a great question. I actually have no idea
Starting point is 00:05:31 But One of these guys Yeah one of these guys Some shenanigans I've been into I mean it seems like Saddam Missing his father Or his kid's birth You know
Starting point is 00:05:40 Not a great father Well well but you know He was trying to kill some other guy That's true Like allegedly maybe for his family You know what I mean That's a good point Maybe he's the best father
Starting point is 00:05:51 Yeah it's possible Once you say you're doing something for your family It like excuses whatever it was Why'd you kill that guy's family Dude, I did it for my family. Yeah, dude. You sound like Vin Diesel. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:06:01 I mean, it's all about family at the end of the day, you know? What's interesting is that Saddam and his wife, Sejita Al Talfa, were first cousins. Ah. Not that it matters. Okay. Are we saying it, Uday was a little? Uday. There might have been a little something.
Starting point is 00:06:22 Gene pool might have been a little shallow. Yeah. That cocktail was tequila and tequila. A little strong. Yeah. Has the strength. So, 1979, Saddam becomes the president of Iraq.
Starting point is 00:06:36 And Uday is just 15 years old. Okay. So he sees his dad rise the ranks. And Saddam, for all intents of purposes, he was violent, ruthless, brutal, and amassed a lot of wealth, much of it stolen, and a lot of power and was feared throughout Iraq during his regime. And no one dared to question his authority because they knew that if you did, there'd be some consequences. And what we ended up learning is that that kind of was how you had to run it.
Starting point is 00:07:02 I'm gonna keepin a lid on the whole thing Yeah, yeah, yeah I understand it. I'm not an expert in Iraq. I'm not an expert either, you know what I mean? But I mean, the CIA saw something in Saddam, so, you know, they did. They put him in power for a reason.
Starting point is 00:07:17 Did we do that? I wouldn't say that. But we might have. That's a gross overgeneralization, but I think there was a partnership at one point. There's vibes. But people felt the same way with Uday. So this had an effect on Uday. Growing up, your dad is like the most feared, you know,
Starting point is 00:07:31 dictator of all. time in your country. Your dad, uncle. Yeah, literally. Dunkle. The little dungle daddy, dude. And he was basically just given free reign. He was a little prince living in Iraq and was given whatever he wanted.
Starting point is 00:07:45 He did whatever he wanted. He had servants and yes men. Yeah, just hand and foot doing whatever he needed. I'm sure this gets to a bad place, but it was probably a fun start. Right? Probably a nice time for a while. That's right. in Iraq and have great service and some fun and diverse romantic experiences is how it started.
Starting point is 00:08:07 Yeah. But it kept going. But it is a good lesson. I have a child. I have a nine-month-old boy. That's right. I have my own little Uday. You have your own little Uday.
Starting point is 00:08:14 And I'm looking at this and I'm like, you know what? I can't give my child, you know, and I'm... A palace and dad. Yeah, I just can't because this is what happens, right? All of a sudden things will take a little bit of a turn. Yes. I see. Because if you keep, not to make this a human nature thing,
Starting point is 00:08:29 but it's like if there's nothing other than the next thing, the next thing, the next thing, you keep pushing out what the next thing is. Yeah, no, it is. I think it is a human nature thing. I think absolute power corrupts. Absolutely. As they say.
Starting point is 00:08:41 But, you know, as the firstborn son, he kind of was given whatever he wanted. No one dared question his son because they feared the father so much. So you can imagine a Nepo baby, but instead of, you know, how you'd be treated within like a company party, the whole country's a company party. It was like when the, Little League coach made his son the lead-off hitter.
Starting point is 00:08:59 Yeah. And he wasn't very good. No. Yeah. Just automatic out. Exactly. And we're leading off with this guy? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:09:05 And but the whole world. Who day? So he's a spoiled rich kid, right? He's parting all the time. He's sleeping with women. He's getting luxury car. Yeah. Designer clothes.
Starting point is 00:09:15 Rolex is gold. You know what a lady. If it was designer, he wanted it. That's right. And everything was paid for by his father's money, which is also the money of the nation that he of usurped. Gochi, Saint-LaRan. He loved French suits, Rolexes, and high-end Cologne, which is nice.
Starting point is 00:09:33 And he was also obsessed with his appearance. He was extremely vain. Allegedly, his vanity was so extreme that if any of his staff members wore clothing that he owned, Uday would force them to take it off and never wear it again, even if they wore it by accident. How would they end up wearing his clothing by accident? So either, I'm assuming, they acquired it through like a donation system, or even if it was was like a similar piece of clothing. They'd be like, dude, fuck that. Which I don't even get, because they all kind of wear similar outfits anyway.
Starting point is 00:10:00 What is that? A white robe? Take that off. Yeah, your candor looks like my... Huh? Yeah. But he was... Oh, so like, it didn't have to be literally his shirt.
Starting point is 00:10:09 It would just be like, you're pulling up wearing my shirt? Yeah. What fuck? Dude, you're wearing the same Armani tea that I have? The same tight one that shows my nipples. Dude. I remember, it's just a little off topic. So you don't have to keep it in.
Starting point is 00:10:22 But I remember the first... One of the first times I worked with... Schultz, I walk into the green room and he's wearing like a denim jacket with denim pants and like a black t-shirt or it was like a black shirt, black pants and like a blue jean denim jacket. And I walk in wearing a black shirt, black pants and a blue jean denim jacket. First thing he says, he just goes, well, one of us is going to have to change. Any guesses? And I was like, I'll go get something else.
Starting point is 00:10:51 Yeah, yeah, yeah. That, that, one, it's like Spider-Man. The two of you guys are walking in and being like, dude, what? And then secondly, it is a weird look for the show of like three comments in a row. You can't, no, I did. I would do the same thing. Because it almost looks, it almost looks worse that it's like, dude, this guy has all of his openers where the same thing? The same thing, yeah.
Starting point is 00:11:07 Looks like he's a tyrant. Yeah, it looks insane. He's like, the show has a look. Yeah. So he's helping you out. Yeah, 100%. But yeah, he's got a elite group of bodyguards. This is Uda.
Starting point is 00:11:18 And they were devoted and they, you know, he made sure these. followers would basically just obey anything that he did no matter what. And if you, if you stepped out of line, you were gone. And again, he's just like a young kid this point, 17, 18. But then the violence starts. Because so far, he's just like a rich kid. I know, I know kids like that. General piece of shit, taking advantage of things. Obviously, no one likes him. He sucks, but what are you going to do? He's cooking. Yes. But Uday is Saddam's son. And as a result, he was aware of what his father was doing. And his father, it seems like, had some interest in kind of like teaching his son how the world worked. Right. And by the world, I mean, his specific world. Yeah. And as a result,
Starting point is 00:11:59 he watched many violent acts growing up. I mean, allegedly from torture to people being killed as like a young man. And this is kind of like his education into like how power functions. And so he admires his father. He wants to be exactly like him, not only in the power and the money, but also in the cruelty. And like many children, the student eventually outshines the master. So he goes from nightclubs and parties, and, you know, he's doing all sorts of stuff. He would order his bodyguards to gather all the attractive women and make them line up in front of him. Uday would then examine all the women to decide who was the most beautiful, and he would select one or two of them to come to his bedroom. And the woman...
Starting point is 00:12:36 Everyone does that in their own way. That's the thing. If you don't line them up, it's kind of like, all right, you're just in a frat. You know what I mean? As soon as you line them up. The lineup really is the problem. I mean, most people, you're just supposed to scan the place at large and look for other factors.
Starting point is 00:12:54 You're not supposed to be that detailed. It's not very nice. But this is how you know this guy is kind of a psycho because he's now using his power to line them up and, like, coerce them and basically be like, you, you, you hit the G-wagon. Yeah, it's like a scene from rush hour. Have you not seen rush hour? I have seen the first one.
Starting point is 00:13:11 Okay, yeah. They go into like some sort of brothel of some kind, and it's like take your pick, and it's like all the girls are just looking. at him basically this basically exactly that but the only downside is that uh these women can't really say now yeah that's not that's not great but it's also like dude you're the prince yeah they know you're the prince yeah you can just walk in there and be like hey do you want to hang out and they'd be like and he's probably thinking they've all got to be just pumped like
Starting point is 00:13:37 hoping to get picked dude like i'm the prince but they probably were not they probably were not all pumped they could have he could have just gone in and been like do you want to have rolled me and they would say yes like you know i mean like i'm a nice prince could have done it in a nice way a nice Prince. But that's how you know he wasn't in it for the romance. He was in it for the power. He's a bad guy. Allegedly. Allegedly. I don't want to speak ill to dead. Of course. He does die.
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Starting point is 00:17:25 Deploy him It's a normal way And basically told Uday like Yeah dude you're not gonna dance in my wife Like I'm a soldier Yeah I ain't no bitch And Uday got pissed And he beat the soldier so severely
Starting point is 00:17:40 That the man died from his injuries later Oh God Psycho In another incident a soldier forgot to salute Ude. So Uday pulled out a gun and shot him in the head. At parties, people knew Uday was
Starting point is 00:17:54 a wild boy and would get a little knee-braided. And would randomly shoot his AK-47 around the room, like into the ceiling and shit. And it was just like, he would get that gun in his hand and things would just kind of like buck off. There's actually a video of Ude shooting his gun. Yeah, let's take a peek at that.
Starting point is 00:18:13 All right, so this is a video of Uday at a party. Let's see. This is five minutes. I assume I have to skip a little bit. There's sound as well. Yeah, we're going to need that, dude. You hear that beautiful ricochet. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:18:25 Okay. Fun little Iraqi part. Oh, Jesus. And then he just goes back to... Look how much fun he's having. And look at everyone else pretending to have fun. Everyone's like, okay, cool. He's doing it like a kid with sparklers on the 4th of July.
Starting point is 00:18:59 Right? You know? I mean, it's like psycho. Like, I mean, I would be so terrified. Yeah, he's just, like, rolling face right now, probably. Just, like, dude. Just viving. Give me my A.K. He's on some sort of cool Iraqi drug we haven't even heard of yet.
Starting point is 00:19:14 Oh, yeah, dude. Well, they got some shit over there. That's fire, Loki. Like, what? When I was in UAE, they got this thing. It's basically just tobacco. Is it chot? No, it's not chatt.
Starting point is 00:19:24 It is, that's like you chew that. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, this is, it's called a mentoir. and it's basically just like a pipe with like a tobacco type thing. I don't even know exactly what it is. But you rip it and it's just like 10 zins the face. I think I hit that at one of your guys's parties after you got back.
Starting point is 00:19:42 It's awesome. Yeah. It is unfortunately the greatest thing ever. And you just sort of like feel your fingers go tingling and you just sit in the couch and you're just like, wah. And it's just that for like 30 seconds. And then you're back. It's awesome. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:19:53 It's basically like a little Middle Eastern whip it. Love it. But he did many terrible things as you can imagine. is the kind of guy you're parting with. And as you're probably wondering, you're like, well, how do we know all this stuff? Many of these awful acts happened in private and were kept secret by Saddam's government so that people, you know, outside of Iraq, wouldn't understand what's going on. And the reason we know a lot of these details is because of an excellent source, probably
Starting point is 00:20:15 one of the best sources that we could get about Ude Hussein. One thing that happened, you know, very so often in Saddam's Iraq, was people were trying to kill Ude because he was brutal. He was kind of tyrannical and no one really liked kicking it with him but they had to. So there were all these attempts to kill Saddam himself and so the two of them are now basically getting
Starting point is 00:20:37 sighted. So the powerful leaders used body doubles to protect themselves and lower the chances of being murdered. Saddam had several body doubles and the body doubles were called Fadai in Arabic and more commonly known as bullet catchers
Starting point is 00:20:52 was the name. What a gig. Yeah. Hey, you look like Saddam. You want to take a bullet for him? Not really. Too bad. You look like him.
Starting point is 00:21:01 So you now have this job. Yeah, dude. Don't imagine they asked. No, I think they probably just put up posters and they were like, hey, lookalike contest in Baghdad. Yeah, they weren't on Indeed. Yeah. And so Uday, seeing the threats here, he was like, I need my own body double. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:21:17 So his body double is the source for much of this information. That's a problem. You let someone into the inner circle. And he doesn't catch a bullet. Yeah. It's like, yeah, he's going to leak some shit. I mean, is this Saddam's body double here? Wow.
Starting point is 00:21:31 A couple of them on a boat, just vibing. I mean, taking the Saddam's out for a day on the lake. It's like four of them on a boat just bifing. Dude, could you imagine? You get back with your boys, you're like, dude, I saw Saddam today. And they're like, really? You're like, well, I saw seven of them on a boat, dude. They were listening to Shakira.
Starting point is 00:21:51 The Saddam's were having a nice time. That's how it be sometimes, dude. Really is just me, myself. in all my millions. And that's what Uday did. So literally, he gets his body double, and the body double, you know, goes on to tell a lot of the story
Starting point is 00:22:08 about what it was like. So when Uday was trying to decide who would make a good body double, he remembered someone from his school class who looked similar to him. This person was a man named Latif Yehia, who was now an adult serving in the Iraqi army and was actually fighting on the front lines
Starting point is 00:22:22 during the Iraq-Iran war. So Uday sent orders to the battlefield that Lateef Yehia would be taken off military duty. He gets a call. He's like, hey, dude, you're off the front lines. And he was like, oh, that's awesome. Yeah. And then he gets brought to the royal palace.
Starting point is 00:22:36 And he's like, dude, we're cooking. This is amazing. When he arrives at the palace, Ude greets him. And then Ude led Latif to his office and simply asks him, do you want to be my body double? And he's sad. Now, again, Latif is an intelligent guy. He's a soldier.
Starting point is 00:22:53 He's fought in many battles. He understands the nature of the Middle East. understands how conflict works, and he knows that it's dangerous to be a body double, especially for Iraq's most hated person ever. Yeah. But... Also means he's going to have to hang with him, and he's a tough hang. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:23:08 Yeah. But he also understands that this is Ude, and you can't really say no. Right. So he says, do I have a choice? Uday answers, my friend. Of course you have a choice. Knowing that working as Ude's body double would probably get him killed, he politely thanked him and said, no.
Starting point is 00:23:25 There's no way he makes it out of this palace. Uday has him arrested immediately. Yeah. And he's locked in an extremely small cell that measured only one meter by one meter. Oh my God. Making it impossible to stretch out and sleep properly. The walls are painted bright red and a powerful light is in the ceiling staying on consistently making sleep basically impossible. At night, Latif could hear other prisoners screaming as they were being tortured.
Starting point is 00:23:51 Jesus. So after a week, Uday opened the store. A whole week. One whole week of not sleeping opens the door himself and he basically talks to Latif and he says, hey, do you want to be my body double or do you want me to
Starting point is 00:24:05 sexually assault your sisters? Is that what he said? Yeah. I thought you were like ad-libbing. No. That's a crazy... That's the deal. He's like, okay, you've been in jail for a week.
Starting point is 00:24:16 Now I'm going to ask you again, do you want to be my body double or I'm going to... I was going to say a word, but I shouldn't say it on YouTube. Your sisters. Yes. How many sisters? Not that it matters, which is out of curiosity. I mean, you know, I think he's got like two or three.
Starting point is 00:24:31 Two or three. God damn. Yeah, dude. O'Day. So, Lateef is now like, oh, damn it. Well, this doesn't really encourage him to keep your secrets, does it? Well, it's like, yeah. He's made another enemy.
Starting point is 00:24:43 Well, that's his whole, this is how he thinks power works. Right. You know, you don't get things from being nice. You get things from being feared. Do you think Latif was like, all the sisters? because you know the one I'm talking about. You know I won't do all that. Not the hot one.
Starting point is 00:24:59 He's like, what did you say? He's like, nothing. Just forget it, dude. So, Lateef says yes. So he's let out of prison. And he was given to a man named Monir Mohammed. And Manir's job was to teach and train Latif so that he could become just like Uday. Which this just sounds like a very hilarious comedy.
Starting point is 00:25:18 The craziest training camp of all time. Wake up, four shots. Take four shots. right now. You got to fuck. Go fuck. They're out of party. Like, here's the AK. He's like, I don't want it. They're like, take the AK. You have to do it. Pick, line the women up. Immediately. What are you doing? Why are these women not in a line? Yeah, he doesn't get saluted. They're like, do you notice he didn't salute? He's like, nah, it's all good. No, you know what you have to do. So, now it's his job to get trained up. This is basically Princess Diaries. Yeah. Have you seen that movie with
Starting point is 00:25:51 Anne Hathaway? Believe it or not, I haven't. And I know it's a, I must see, but I just haven't done. Of all the films that I've seen that you haven't, I'm shocked that this is the one that has diverged our paths. I know. But this is basically the premise. I was just thinking of Daniel Day Lewis doing this, becoming Ude. Like, trying to do that in the modern era, he's like, I had to go method. It's like, you have 19 felonies.
Starting point is 00:26:13 You can't do that in the United States. I want to see this just as like a slapstick comedy. Yeah. Uday, the musical. So. I said get them in a line. line up the horse Dun
Starting point is 00:26:29 Dund This goes to black So basically This was his job So Lateef basically He's living in the royal palace And he gets his own bedroom And the room has things like silk sheets
Starting point is 00:26:38 And his French suits And royal watches And the whole deal Not the worst All the same stuff that Uday has and uses And these were You know to kind of teach him To learn to be like Ude
Starting point is 00:26:48 And it might sound nice I'm sure you're looking at this Being like oh it's not too bad The room was also kind of like a jail cell because he couldn't leave unless Uday gave him permission. So he called it the golden cage. Yeah. Better than his initial cage, but a golden cage nonetheless.
Starting point is 00:27:03 Yeah, he wasn't allowed. He's not allowed to go to the kitchen and make an espresso. No, no, no, no, no, no. If Uday doesn't drink espresso, you're not drinking espresso. So Lateef wanted to call his family and tell him like, hey, guys, good news, I'm out of war. Bad news, I'm trapped in a golden cage. Good news again, I'm still alive because they thought that he just vanished.
Starting point is 00:27:22 Like they just thought he was just gone one night. I can't imagine he was allowed to do that. So he tries to contact them. He talks to his dude, Munir Mohammed, and he tells him that they already called his family and said that he was killed. No. So they say, hey, don't worry about it.
Starting point is 00:27:35 What a relief. It's handled. But good news, you are a war hero. So that's what he said. They said, you know, Latif, you're a war hero. And your family knows you as an honorable man. And now you can live your life in this little cage. So now,
Starting point is 00:27:50 That's crazy. He's a dead man. And he's like, there's no chance I'm making it back. I'm basically dead. My life is over. And now I'm a jailed-up pretend boy. Yes. Not as fun as it might sound.
Starting point is 00:28:07 Manir tells him you can never talk to anyone from your past life. And you have to basically forget about it completely. And Manir allegedly says to him, you are no longer Latif today. You are Uday. Damn. So they already look similar, but he didn't look exactly the same. So, how do you fix this? Plastic surge.
Starting point is 00:28:24 You're exactly right. And so they bring in a plastic surgeon to completely change his appearance that he would look identical to Ude, basically like his twin. And so the doctor's like changed his chin, they change his teeth, and many other parts of his face
Starting point is 00:28:34 to make him look more like Ude Hussein. All of the surgery was done, even though Lateef didn't want it. Which is hilarious. A horrible existence. He'd be like, is there any way we can both just get like veneers? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:28:45 He starts pitching new mods. He's like, what if we did an earring this month? Yeah, right? Can we get a picture of Latif and Ude together? Because I would love to see... Steve and Ude, yeah. So this is them side by side. Which is the fake?
Starting point is 00:29:04 Ude is on the left. That's Uday. Yeah. Yeah, that makes sense. Checks out, right? Yeah, it does. They're doing their best, but, you know, it's not perfect. But, like, imagine Ude's got like a snaggle tooth,
Starting point is 00:29:16 and they're like, we're going to snaggle you up. And he's like, damn, why can't... He just get brazen. Yeah. Right? Like, we could both elevate here if we wanted to do this. Oh, my God. So, for weeks and weeks and weeks, Latif went through this training to learn to, you know, become Uday.
Starting point is 00:29:30 And he had to copy, like, his body movements, the way he spoke, the way he walked, and the words that he used everything down to even how he smoked cigars, double-fisted. That's, like, do I have to do this way? The prince? Half to do it. Yeah, you got to get half of it in your mouth and swab up. Yeah. Because it's, you again, you're not just doing this for shits and gigs. You're doing this because you need to be exactly like this guy. To trick an assassin, to trick a foreign government. Literally. Like, you need to trick the CIA if they're trying to take out Ude. They need to think that you're literally Uday.
Starting point is 00:30:02 Yeah. So I like that you want to wait for the mic. I burp a little bit. Yeah, I don't want to be taiz on. Yeah. Yeah. It's very like being a secret agent on a secret mission always looks so fun in the movie, but it's more frequently a lot like this. Yeah. where it's like your family has to think you're dead, you don't look like you anymore, you're not, and you're like, wow, this sucks. It doesn't really get to unwind. He doesn't get like a long weekend.
Starting point is 00:30:25 No, no, no, no, no. You're basically like on a death mission. Like, it's like the slowest suicide mission ever. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like you're just walking into the front lines. Yeah. You're just being as much of a douche as possible
Starting point is 00:30:37 and they're hoping that you get shot. But now here's where he's in a tricky spot because he's gone through every level of passing this test to become the body double, right? He looks good to Maneer. Like everyone thinks like, okay, you're doing pretty good. But he has to get past Saddam. Is Saddam not allowed to know?
Starting point is 00:30:55 Saddam knows, but he's the one that's like, okay, train him up and then let him come to me and see if he's good. Now imagine if he's not good. What happens to him? Dead. So, final exam of his life. He needs to meet Saddam and Saddam is going to decide if he's good enough to be the body double. Latif was worried because, you know, if Saddam didn't approve, that's basically it. So when he meets Saddam, the dictator looked at him and basically just like examine him head to toe.
Starting point is 00:31:21 And after like a long period of silence, he just goes, very good. Allah gave me three sons. You are the third, but never ever make me angry. Whoa. God damn. So his first job would be at a soccer award ceremony where he would give out medals to soccer players while pretending to be Uday. Yeah. Like now he's like legit doing the job.
Starting point is 00:31:44 It's like, yeah. go out there and do... It's probably starting to enjoy it a little bit. You know, getting outside. Right? A little pomp in circumstance. Oh, hey, check it out. Nothing wrong with a little, you know.
Starting point is 00:31:53 He's out of a medal to a kid shooting an AK. That's what I'm saying? There's perks, you know what I mean? There's our perks. So, I think this is a, yeah, this is a picture of him handing out these medals. So... Oh, he does, yeah. He looks...
Starting point is 00:32:06 God damn. I think it's racist if we say they look the same. Yes, this is the easiest mission of all time. Dude, he looked exactly like him before. What do you even mean? The guy behind him looks like him. Hero and rice. Half white sauce, that would be excellent.
Starting point is 00:32:23 Thank you. And since this is his first assignment, they want to make sure that he's ready, so they planned a practice run where he could rehearse. And during the practice session, Uday watched to see how he was doing. During the rehearsal, Uday is in a good mood. So he's joking around, having fun, he's making people laugh, until he told a joke that would make Latif laugh out loud. Unfortunately, the way Latif laughed was different than how Ude
Starting point is 00:32:44 would have laughed. So immediately, Uday goes from joking and goofing around to being incensed. He's furious. And he starts beating Latif all over his body with a metal bar. It's going to sideline the guy. Well, you're going to learn not to laugh like a fucking goofball. I guess so. You're going to laugh like me.
Starting point is 00:33:01 That's how Uday laughed historically. I think that is true. I haven't verified that, but I... He just has an insane. The guy laughs. He's like, that's not how I laugh. How do you laugh? So let's see if heals from his injuries
Starting point is 00:33:17 and just in time for the real event, fortunately. And he does the job great. He doesn't laugh once. And Uday personally congratulates him and says, hey, great job. You pass the test. What's up, guys? We're going to take a break really quick
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Starting point is 00:34:41 And let's get back. to the show. What's up, people? Quick announcement. If you are a fan of Camp Gagnon or Religion Camp, I have great news because we are dropping History Camp. That's right. This is the channel where we're going to be exploring the most interesting, fascinating, controversial topics from all time throughout all history. Right? You probably know about Benjamin Franklin, I don't know, Thomas Jefferson, Nicola Tesla. Interesting figures from history. And you probably learned about in school and they were pretty boring, but not here. No. As you know, I was raised by a conspiracy theory. So I'm going to be diving deep into all of the
Starting point is 00:35:10 interesting, strange, occult, and secretive societal relationships that all of these famous influential men from our shared past have. So if you're interested, please go ahead and subscribe to the YouTube channel. It will be pinned in the description as well as the comments. And if you're on Spotify, this doesn't really apply to you, but these episodes will be dropping as well. Just go ahead and give us a high rating because it really helps the show. There's another event that Lateef had to go to, well, pretend to be Uday. There's a party that army officers were throwing to celebrate the end of the Iran-Iraq war, but as Lateef and his bodyguards were walking into the building, attackers who thought Latif was really Ude started shooting at them with AK-47s.
Starting point is 00:35:48 Lateef gets shot in the shoulder, and the bodyguards shoot back and killed the attackers. Lateef was in a rush to the hospital to get medical help. Shit. So that's what kind of work, though. That's what I'm saying. Doing a good job. I wonder if they tell the bodyguards. I bet you they don't.
Starting point is 00:36:02 No, I don't think so. I think you keep that very close to the vest because you want everybody operating the same way. Right? Yeah. So he gets shot and he gets a reward. So Uday tells Latif that he gets 30 minutes to now go visit his family and tell them what's going. Whoa. So immediately Latif runs out of the hospital and spends the short time that he has with his family.
Starting point is 00:36:24 And they're shocked to see him because they're like, we thought you were dead. He goes, I'm not dead. Oh, kind of I am. Yeah. But I'm going to be eventually. And I'm now living as this body double for this crazy guy. And they were just like, oh, shit. All right.
Starting point is 00:36:36 Right. And he gets 30 minutes. I'm surprised he let him do that I feel like letting the family know would be, I guess they know that it's a reign of terror enough that the family's not going to do anything but what a mind. But it's one of those things that's like, okay, this guy takes a bullet
Starting point is 00:36:51 for me, he might just mentally collapse. Right. The next time he has to go to another event for me, he might just be like, just kill me. You know what I mean? Like you need to protect this. So Uday was a lot of things, but he was also an effective manager.
Starting point is 00:37:02 Yeah, exactly. As far as upper management goes, he understands how to keep your guys on set of us. So one day, Udei just, decided that he wanted to take a vacation. So he asked Latif if he wanted to come along, and Lateef says, sure. So Ude, Lateef, and several bodyguards
Starting point is 00:37:14 go on this expensive, fancy holiday. They're staying at this hotel and they're by the swimming pool, smoking cigars, until he notices a couple on the other side of the pool. Ude found out that the couple were newlyweds on their honeymoon, and they'd only gotten married the day before.
Starting point is 00:37:29 Uh-oh, he's fucking that bride, isn't they? Uday tells the bodyguards to bring the woman to him. God damn. And Latif goes to Ude and says, dude, she just, just got married, they're on their honeymoon. Please just leave her alone. Like, I know that I shouldn't step to you.
Starting point is 00:37:42 Ude gets angry that Lateef tries to question his authority. So Ude orders Latif to come with him and the woman to his hotel room. And Ude forces him to sit in the next room so that Latif had to listen to Ude basically assaulting this woman. Oh, Jesus. When Uday finished and goes away, she immediately runs to the window, opens it, and jumps out. Oh, my God. Her husband who's outside at the time goes over to see what happens
Starting point is 00:38:09 and sees his wife had passed away. Oh, Jesus. Fucking psycho. But soon after that, the Gulf Warpians. And Lateef is being driven near the Kuwait border to make a TV appearance while pretending to be Ude.
Starting point is 00:38:23 While they're driving there, attackers start shooting at their group of cars from both sides, and during the fight, someone throws a grenade at the car that Lateef was riding in and the explosion seriously injures his hand and almost completely destroys his pinky finger.
Starting point is 00:38:35 Latif has also shot multiple times, and many of the security guards are also killed, but the survivors manage to fight back and kill the attackers. And this is the closest that Latif comes to actually dying. So he wakes up in the hospital with Ude Hussein standing over there,
Starting point is 00:38:51 clapping. Fibbing. Literally just like, fuck it. Very good. Just straight up, just fucking, Scorsese. One of the best. Yeah. Just give him a hand.
Starting point is 00:39:02 Because he needs one. And he's literally just like pat and him. on the back like hey great job buddy you did it I didn't die nice then Uday turned to the doctor and asked if Latif is going to recover and the doctor told Uday that because of the damage to his hand he would probably lose his pinky finger
Starting point is 00:39:17 this makes Uday pissed off he's upset you know the doctor I know this guy's M.O and I don't like it not at all so now that you know the Uday is pissed by the news because if Latif loses his pinky finger
Starting point is 00:39:33 he can't continue working as the body double because they'll always be like check the pinky. Right. So Udae becomes furious, puts his gun against the doctor's head, and demands that the doctor fix the finger. You know, like I tend to defer to medical professionals, but there's a certain amount of outside pressure from the family that can help in tense scenarios. Pressure makes diamonds.
Starting point is 00:39:54 That's right. And just keep this in mind if you're, have a loved one that's suffering. Yeah. My body double, actually. Just tell the doctor like, hey, there's... I've been making him sit in the other room while I jack off. That way he knows my scrub pattern and my habits You know what I mean if he's really gonna beat me
Starting point is 00:40:11 He's gotta beat me Yeah So after the Gulf War ends Ude returns to his normal activities He's partying, he's drinking and you know Salting women And one night at a club One of Uday's chosen woman tried to hook up with Latif
Starting point is 00:40:23 Classic mix-up Shit, I don't know if I do that You don't see where, you know I don't know if I do that But she's got the perfect alibi Yeah I thought it was you babe What?
Starting point is 00:40:32 I thought it was you Whoops, my bad Yeah You know what I mean? I've tried to play that one off. He's trying to get pinky fingers. Yeah. They tell them they're like, yeah, go for the Ude
Starting point is 00:40:42 that has like the pinky going sideways. Yeah. Like that's the one. They put a vibrator in that thing. It's like a 90s basketball she's got a... Yeah. The pump up. Yeah, dude.
Starting point is 00:40:53 And so Lateef told the woman no because he's not interested and because they aren't allowed to sleep with Ude's women. Right. Ude finds out about this. And in the middle of the night, he sent bodyguards to pull Latif out of his bed and bring him to Ude's office. Uday asked Latif what happens between him and the woman.
Starting point is 00:41:08 Lateef tells him, nothing happened, dude. I was trying to be you and, or I guess the opposite of you. Yeah, she got interested. And Uday didn't believe him and tells him, I will send you to be a little bit happy, which is a phrase that Uday like to use a lot. I will send you to be a little bit happy. That means.
Starting point is 00:41:26 I mean, I assume. Yes, but no. Uh-oh. He's sending him to the torture rooms. Oh, I thought he was going to treat him like a nice time with a lady, you blow off some steam, you're me, you gotta get in character. Doesn't believe him.
Starting point is 00:41:40 Strat. But he, I don't think he was probably a passionate lover, though. Well, maybe passion, but the passion was probably anger. I don't think he was much of a giver. I wonder if he just, like, getting picked. Like all these. Uday? You got to wonder, right?
Starting point is 00:41:56 He doesn't, well, I guess because some people who exert crazy amounts of power want it taken away in the bedroom. Is that the thought process? That's what I'm wondering. I mean, not that I would know. But this is what I've heard. Neither of us are powerful enough to get pegged. Yeah, exactly.
Starting point is 00:42:09 I'm a people please are on and off the court. I'm just trying to peg. I'm on stage like, do you guys like me? And then I'm in the bedroom like, do you like me? It's crazy how much my entire life boils down to that a little bit. But then when people don't, I'm like, what the fuck is wrong with you? Yeah, no, people don't like me. I'm like, I get it.
Starting point is 00:42:27 But yeah, the whole thing is an effort to be like, huh? I go the other way. I'm just like, dude, I completely agree. They're right. You know, everyone's right. I'm self-loathing enough to be like, yeah. There's enough parts of you and everyone knows enough about themselves that when someone's like, I love you, you're like, you're like, you know what, that could be good?
Starting point is 00:42:44 And someone's like, I hate you. And you're like, well, there's also that. Yeah, I've been on both sides of this. Of course, certainly, yeah. In Uday, I don't know if he has. He's just expecting unconditional love and sort of adoration. He's not had a lot of pushback. No.
Starting point is 00:42:57 So, what does he do? He sends Latif to get tortured for 21 days. Yeah, maybe he's into that. There's also, there's always that. He gets to the end, Ude's like, dude, I thought you liked this. Yeah, he spits out the ball gag. He's like, already. He's like, dude, this is my favorite holiday retreat.
Starting point is 00:43:14 Yeah. The only reason that he's released is because Ude didn't want to lose his body double and he was close to dying. So the prison guards call Ude and they say, if you don't call us off right now, this guy's going to die. So Lateef is basically completely damaged from the torture and he needs a long time to heal and recover so that he could go back to work as the body double.
Starting point is 00:43:33 So Uday actually lets him go home And recover with his family Wow So he's like go back with your folks for Good cop, bad cop energy Well that's the problem right So during the time at home Lateef tells his family that he's going to escape
Starting point is 00:43:45 Yeah And he says I'm going to run away from Iraq Because he knows that staying in Iraq In general will get him killed Staying as Uday's body double Would eventually get him killed But on the night that he planned to escape Ude called him
Starting point is 00:43:58 Invited him to a party at a nightclub Knowing what would happen And if he refused, he basically gives up his escape plans and goes to the party. All righty, don't skip forward, guys, because I am on the road, World's Fastest Ad Read, coming at you. I'm going to be in Austin, Texas, Stanford, Philly, Levittown, Chandler, Arizona, San Diego. I'm also going to be adding Toronto, Montreal, as well as Washington, D.C., and a bunch of other dates.
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Starting point is 00:45:12 walked around the club, hitting people with it randomly. What a crazy party to be at. He just walks in with a giant metal pipe and just starts striking random people who just try to keep dancing because there's nothing they can do. Literally just pin yachting the whole squad. And there's two of him, by the way. If you're at this party, you can see two of him. Yes. At once, so odd that they're doing that in the open. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:45:37 The two Uday strategy. Yeah. They're like a fucking DJ. They're like the chain smokers. Two Udés in the club. Fucking Blue Man group, dude. So he's walking through hidden people. Then he walks over Latif and starts kicking him and he says, the time has come.
Starting point is 00:45:54 Latif doesn't understand what this means. What is Ude's trying to imply here? Eiffel Tower. You want to Paris? Yeah. But he gets scared and thinking that Uday had found out about his escape plan. So, Latif just ran away. Just took off?
Starting point is 00:46:09 Out to nightclub. Underground halal cart. So, Uday starts chasing Latif and yelling for him to come back. Latif managed to get into an elevator and desperately pressing the button to close. Unfortunately, Uday catches up and starts shooting into the elevator with an AK-47, hitting Lateef in the shoulder. Lateef pulled out his own gun and starts firing back at Ude forcing him to hide behind cover
Starting point is 00:46:39 and while he's hiding the elevator doors finally close. He goes down to the first floor. Lateef runs out of the nightclub, jumps into his car and drives away while the bodyguards are chasing him and shooting at him. Lateef drives towards the border where their only thing to get between
Starting point is 00:46:53 him and freedom is a military checkpoint. The problem was that Latif had no ID and he's bleeding through his shoulder from a gunshot. Right. So he thought there's a... There's no way that he's going to get through. He's going to get caught.
Starting point is 00:47:05 He's going to get arrested and sent back to the torch rooms and eventually killed. Then he realized that Ude had actually given him the perfect way out. So he lights a cigar, drives up to the military checkpoint and says, hello, gentlemen, Ude Hussein here. Yeah. Let me through. Well, you know who I am. The guards, hit him with a salute, and let him pass through without question. They must have made this into a movie.
Starting point is 00:47:29 It had to have been. I mean, it's just too good. This is a movie. I'm almost skeptical of the reality of it so much of a movie. I'm not going to lie, but I have no grounds to be skeptical. I mean, the fact that like elevator doors closing it, the devil's double. There you go. There you go.
Starting point is 00:47:45 It's also about their rifle tower. Running a two man. From there, he sneaks into Turkey and then eventually gets to freedom. Uday then went to Latif's family and demanded that Latif be returned to Iraq, but Latif's family says no. because they refuse Uday murders Lateef's father. Jesus Christ. He paid a heavy price, but again,
Starting point is 00:48:09 I mean, at the end of the day, I mean, the father is solid as fuck, being like, you can torture my son, but you're going to have to kill me to get him back. That's bad ass. That's dad of the year. Yeah. Baghdad.
Starting point is 00:48:20 There's actually video of, like, Latif, like, getting interviewed talking about, like, this escape and, like, them basically, like, taken out of father. Yeah, let's see the man. Even his dad has a Sadami vibe. Yeah Oh, we Merked Uday
Starting point is 00:48:48 Yeah Nice, dude So Fuck that guy Right dude Yeah I mean guy Also shout out to Lateef's daddy
Starting point is 00:48:58 Shout out to Lateef's dad I mean that guy He could have been one of the Saddam's I'm not gonna lie I could have seen him on the boat I don't know if he would have They would have They really were
Starting point is 00:49:07 And I don't know if they are anymore But they were a staunch mustache culture During that time Well this happens a lot in dictatorial regime where people just emulate the leader. You got, you might as well. It happens all the time. Like, I mean, so 90s.
Starting point is 00:49:20 Like, Saddam has, like, the face of the 90s to me. It's like, him and Tom Selleck and Ban Margera, like, just that whole era. You know what I mean? You know the boys? Yeah, dude, Y2K Bob. Seleck, Margera. Who said. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:49:34 But, yeah, it's like, it's psycho. And, I mean, I think this goes all the back to, like, Julius Caesar. Like, he would get a haircut and then the rest of Rome. Just walk around with bowl cuts. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yo, give me the Caesar, bro. Yeah. Give me the Caesar.
Starting point is 00:49:48 Hey. But, yeah, fortunately. Could you imagine if in America everyone was doing Trump's hair right now? Like, if you just went out to a bar and it was just a bunch of, and maybe there are parts of the country. But you walk out to a bar and there's just a bunch of hair helmets just mopping around. That's why I preferred Obama's presidency. Because I was wavy as, dude. You were waved up.
Starting point is 00:50:08 Yeah, just wavy. See, the problem. Got a comment. People are like, you are a cultural president. I'm just respecting the leader. Yeah, I'm just respecting the leader, dude. This is what God wanted. Just wavy like a little white fuck boy.
Starting point is 00:50:20 Ah, what's up? Barack in a building. Yeah, come on now. Come on. Fuck women. Fortunately, the rest of his family is not harmed. And Lateef now works as a correspondent and speaks about, you know,
Starting point is 00:50:32 geopolitical topics happening in the Middle East. Nice. And I think it's important to include his story because not only is he extremely brave and heroic in many different facets, but it also shows how crazy and evil Uday was from a direct firsthand account.
Starting point is 00:50:47 And yeah, obviously his story gets turned into a film. But that is only just kind of the surface of how sort of demonic Udae was. Yeah. But it tells like a great story because you have good guy, bad guy, but they're both the same
Starting point is 00:51:04 guy. Spy versus Spire. It's the perfect film. We should watch that. Yeah. The Uday film? Let's roll it from the top. Yeah, let's watch the entire film and do a watch Shalong. Seven hour pod. Yeah. Well, you know, I'll get the money up.
Starting point is 00:51:18 Right. Another man who managed to get away from the government was Abbas al-Janabi. He was one of Uday Hussein's closest friends and his personal press secretary. He escapes and got to safety and he told people about all the terrible things that Uday had done, especially all the sexual assaults on many women, some as young as even 12 years old. Oh, that's not good. As if you were on the fence about Uday now, I mean... And now I'm out. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:51:48 And now I'm out. That, you know, everything else I liked, the stealing and objectifying and fucking and killing and violence, that was fine. Yes. But now I'm done with him. So Al-Janabi also said that during the first Gulf War, Uda Hussein personally took part in torturing American POWs. But all of these stories barely... See, now I'm really at, motherfucker because... You look for the boys.
Starting point is 00:52:11 This is the first time I've cared. No, dude, if you're trying to touch our boys over there. You're trying to touch our boys? You can't touch our boys. We touch our boys. Those are all boys. It's not good either. The stories, again, they show how evil and twisty is.
Starting point is 00:52:27 And he did many, many more terrible things. And it's difficult to really know how many of these events actually happened. The legitimacy of all of them, again, as with many sort of terrible dictators, specifically in ancient history. It's like, you know, the stories get sort of changed and shifted. and different people use them for different political messages. Get a little TV job out of it. Yeah, right? So here are a couple of them in no specific order.
Starting point is 00:52:52 After the first goal for, there's an attempt by the people to rebel against Saddam, and Uday was directly involved in dealing with the prisoners. During a visit to a prison that was holding many of the rebels, Uday decided to order half of them to be killed. That's a lot. Thanos. Which half? I guess.
Starting point is 00:53:09 How did he figure it out? Well, he takes Uday then takes one of the prisoners from the group that was still alive and right in front of all the others. Basically, I mean, this is graphic. I don't even know how much of this I can necessarily share. Takes an electric drill and
Starting point is 00:53:24 murders him. And then he orders all the dead bodies to be left in prison cells while the living prisoners still look at them. Just again, it's more additional psychological torture. I can't, like, I hear these stories.
Starting point is 00:53:39 I can't actually like grasp that. Like, you know what I mean? Like thinking about what it would take to do that. Yeah, it's true. Or watch that or see it. Like, it's not a part of earth that I like, I think it's a pathology. I think it's truly a pathology.
Starting point is 00:53:54 I think it's like you just get to a level of like narcissism and psychopathy. Or he'd been watching a lot of home improvement. And Tim the tool man, Taylor. He starts drilling the guy and out. Oh! A sitcom for all our younger listeners, a sitcom called Home Improvement. That's one with the neighbor.
Starting point is 00:54:15 The neighbor looking over the fence. Wilson, yeah, and you can only see the bottom part of his face. Yeah, and you see his dumb forehead. You're like, I wish I take a drug. It's a metaphor for the CIA. Oh, that's big brother. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 100%.
Starting point is 00:54:24 Oh, I had no idea. I don't know. What's interesting is that Uday actually loved his mom. That, you know, that doesn't surprise me at all. There's something about, like, rich mama's boys that are freaks. There's some Freudian issue that I'm sure one of your listeners is an expert in. But, like, they always, they're like, no, mom, the real one. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:54:48 Stop fucking and killing brides. Yeah. Because they were going to become mom. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think it's like, and also I think boy mom's just, you know. Could be a little newt, nuts. Yeah, boy mom's kind of, you know. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:55:01 I don't want to say they cause psychopathic serial killers, but they're not stopped. Yeah, the whole Gabby Petito thing, the guy who killed her, his mom was like half of the demon. She was a freak. She was like, if you go to jail, I'll put a fire in the cake. I'm like, no, you need to say, hey, don't kill your girlfriend. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That would be good parenting, a little bit of pushback. Yeah, but boy moms, dude, they just, they're like, my boy's perfect.
Starting point is 00:55:26 Yeah, nothing can ever happen. My boy's fucking perfect. I saw a very funny TikTok who was a girl being like, I completely understand the Virgin Mary. because if someone told me like, yo, your son is literally the savior of the universe, your son is God, I'd be like, I completely get it. Yeah, I get. Yeah, like, obviously, my son is God.
Starting point is 00:55:41 I was thinking of a fucking hero. I was literally just thinking. I remember I went out drinking with a friend of mine when we were in high school, not supposed to drink at that age, and we got caught, and the mom, like, drove me home the next day, and she basically was like,
Starting point is 00:55:54 here's the problem. You can do whatever you want because you're a loser, but my boy is going places, and you need to stay away from him, because he's more special than you. And I was like, lady, your son's a fucking idiot. You have no idea how dumb this boy is. And he hasn't gone on to do shit.
Starting point is 00:56:11 How about that? You fucking delusional twat. I never had that energy. My mom had seven kids. By the time she got to me, she was like. Oh, yeah. My mom didn't, yeah, she was not like a hover mom like that. No, it was the other ones.
Starting point is 00:56:25 Yeah. My mom was the opposite. Yeah. I would do good in school. She'd be like, we could, could, I'm better. Yeah, we couldn't. That didn't apply. My mom was literally just like.
Starting point is 00:56:31 like do the dishes. It was a very chore-based. It's very socialist. You had like a gulag. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. There's work to be done. Yeah, and it will set you free. Yes.
Starting point is 00:56:43 So he loves his mama and he, you know, is extremely loyal to her and he respects her greatly. So when Saddam marries a second wife, Uday sees this as disrespect. He's like, what the fuck, Dad? You're going to leave a mom like that? She's a fucking saint, dude. Mom's the best woman I ever met. Bring me that woman. a fucker, dude. You got to respect
Starting point is 00:57:03 women, dad. Dead ass. What the fuck, dude? No cap. On God, Adam. Don't do mom like that. It's one thing to do that to your wife. Another thing to do that to your cousin, dad. Come on, you cannot. Yeah. Yeah. What the fuck. Dude,
Starting point is 00:57:19 Thanksgiving's going to be weird. Yeah, dude. How are we supposed to celebrate with our cousins if you're not fucking one of them? Blood in, blood out, dad. So Ude personally blames a man named Kamel Gedio. I thought Nanjiani. Different one. He was Saddam Hussein's personal food taster and servant.
Starting point is 00:57:39 Ude blames Kamel because he's the person who introduced Saddam to his second wife. So at a party in 88. I mean, but 88, I mean, that's a good time. They're probably listening to Thriller. Yeah? Sure. Like they're bumping like legit bangers. Or just like, I was going to do an impression, but I actually don't know what they listen to in Iraq.
Starting point is 00:57:59 I was just going to do Indian music. I imagine it sounds like. Maybe they're going to be rattling. Maybe they like India music as well. I mean, who are we to assume they like American culture? Yeah, can we get some Iraqi music? I would say royalty free, but I'm betting it all is. Well, now it is.
Starting point is 00:58:14 Well, I wish. Ever since we deposed to numb. Yeah, a lot of percussion. Almost a Mexican flavor. Ooh. And then you do get that. kind of desert. Yeah, just wandering.
Starting point is 00:58:35 It does make you want to, not stereotyping, makes you want to ride a camel. A little bit. Clip clob, clip clob. This is about to make my snake pop up. You know what I mean? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:58:47 Allow me to charm your snake. So, at a party in 88, the boys are bumping that track. Absolutely. And they're possibly following orders from the mother. Ude. violently kills Kamel in front of all the party guests
Starting point is 00:59:06 using a carving knife as punishment. Electric, like Thanksgiving. Because of the murder, Saddam actually... Mid-party is so insane. Like, it's insane anyway, but like mid-party. And then I bet, I would bet that everyone was expected to continue party. Oh, I'm sure. I'm sure they'd served it.
Starting point is 00:59:24 Like, don't go home early. Yeah, dude, we just cut the ham. Yeah. Oh, what are you talking about? It's Christmas. So what do you do if you're Saddam in this case? It's a good question. This is your food taster. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:59:35 He introduced you to your newest, hottest wife. That's right. You need to be, you need to discipline your boy. But he also is probably like low-key proud of him because he's like, you can't let the ops get you like that. So you'd like take away one of his 12 cars. Basically. Yeah. What he does is he puts him in prison and sentences him to death.
Starting point is 00:59:56 Oh. Okay. And honestly, why live without my bends? Exactly, dude. If you don't have your Fing G series, what are you doing? Is that a series of Mercedes? I don't know. I'm not in that tackle.
Starting point is 01:00:07 You got to kill your kid at that point. If he's killing party, if he's killing your boy, dude, if your kid's killing your friend. But also if he's making the ratio better. That's also true, though. Yeah, that is true. He's helping you smash. Yeah, there's, you know, two sides of every story.
Starting point is 01:00:22 So because of the murder, he gets put and sent us to death, but Saddam lets him out after only three months and sends him to Switzerland, hoping that he would stay out of trouble in Switzerland. There's no way he stays out of trouble in Switzerland. And why do you say that? You think people are just irredeemable? You think everyone's just fraught with problems? They can never recover and be better people?
Starting point is 01:00:39 I think he didn't realize he had an addiction to snow bunnies, but he about to find out. Well, you're completely right. So he goes to Switzerland and immediately starts getting into fights and gets arrested by Swiss police multiple times. And they basically get so tired of dealing with him, they throw him out of Switzerland. And where does he go back to? Iraq. Iraq. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:00:56 It's hard to keep them in prison in Switzerland because there's holes in all the bars. I like that I like that one I like that But the problem is Now he's back in Iraq And Saddam now is to deal with his psycho son That he realizes like y'all
Starting point is 01:01:12 I really turn my man into a monster Yeah So what does he do I created a monster So that sort of thing You're gonna love this Okay He takes away all of Uday's expensive luxury cars
Starting point is 01:01:23 And orders them to be destroyed with bombs Nice Oh the P Diddy That's what he did to Kid Cuddy Exactly Yeah yeah yeah It's like a YouTube video Yeah.
Starting point is 01:01:31 It's like we take 10 Lamborghini. Ten lambos. We're going to blow up 15 lambos and try and change the world's worst dictator's son. It actually would be a great video. Would be a great video. O days later given the job, just a regular job of just getting him out of all the nonsense. Let's just give him something to keep him busy. Let's put him in charge of the Iraqi Olympic Committee.
Starting point is 01:01:58 This is a pretty innocuous little job. No real power. And this gives him control of all of Iraq sports teams, especially the Iraqi soccer team. And he treats the players terribly. Yeah, I had a feeling. As you can imagine. It's like Ted Lassau, but the worst version of the opposite of Ted Lassau. Gentlemen, you just got to believe when your back's against the wall that I've got a chainsaw poking through that wall and you're going to die.
Starting point is 01:02:24 He would beat them, embarrass them, and even send them to be tortured when they lost games. It makes the game so not fun. So there is a gentleman named Sharar Muhammad al-Bayyadi, who played on the Iraqi soccer team. And after they lost a game against Jordan, Uday had him thrown in jail. He says, they took me straight away to prison. And every single day, I was beaten on my feet 20 a day. And I'm not allowed to eat or drink, just a glass of water and one piece of bread. I don't really, like, obviously it's like morally wrong.
Starting point is 01:02:53 But like, even from a strategic standpoint, and I've done enough sports gambling to know what you want to do to athletes who fail you. But, like, strategically, it doesn't make your team play better if they're tight, right? This is what you don't understand about dictatorial regimes. Right. It's maybe they're not about, like, human motivation. We need to see the stat line after that guy's taken away. That is true. Because what's going to motivate you to play a little better?
Starting point is 01:03:17 The boys are definitely not leaving practice early. No. You know? And, I mean, I would have absolutely, I would have floundered in this environment. I get the yips a little bit in high-pressure moments of, like, a big game. If I'm not performing, I kind of, I got to step away and be like, I was watching a film the other day, D2, the Mighty Ducks of the Mighty Ducks franchise. And there's a moment there where Gordon Bombay becomes pretty big time.
Starting point is 01:03:41 He's got his hair slick back. He's being really mean to the guys. And he's making him work. And they're skating liners. And hockey's not fun anymore. But then they get back to playing roller hockey. And then eventually he brings out a beach ball and they play a lot better and they beat Iceland. And I think if Uday had paid a little bit more attention to that film, he might have known that there's another.
Starting point is 01:04:00 way. We could see an Iraqi champion to this day. It's possible. So, he just basically beats the guys like crazy. And that's his whole deal. Another story comes from an Iraqi weightlifter, who he's sent to be tortured because the athletes didn't win a gold medal. He says, they use special
Starting point is 01:04:16 sticks, electric sticks, pipes filled with stones. You have no idea how brutal these guys are. Oh, God. So, he uses all sorts of punishment on these athletes. One time he made the soccer team, kick a ball made of solid concrete because they didn't make it into the 1994 World Cup. He also said
Starting point is 01:04:32 That was just kind of comical I guess it depends how hard you got to kick it But if you're just kind of like juggling with it I would imagine Yeah But I feel like I could fake that out I could like pretend to kick it hard It's like ow
Starting point is 01:04:44 Fuck It's also claimed that Uday had some athletes Pulled across gravel And then thrown into sewage water So that they would get infections Nice guy One day The you know the ways of torture
Starting point is 01:04:59 people became more violent and disgusting, like he would remove people's ears and buy them coffins and even use torches on people. And the reason that his torture methods were getting more violent and disgusting is because Uday had started using the World Wide Web.
Starting point is 01:05:12 It radicalizes all of us. What I'm saying, dude. It's really unfortunate. He fell down a right-wing rabbit hole. The torture pipeline. You know, it starts with Ben Shapiro. Yeah. And you're like, where's my blow the torch?
Starting point is 01:05:23 Dude, that's crazy. So he started going online and he was like, show me the bad videos. Literally, dude. He was just on faces of death. He was like, bring me two girls. He's just on Omega. He's just on Omega.
Starting point is 01:05:35 Yeah. And he would spend time looking up different ways to torture people and so that he could carry it out within his little sphere of influence. It's crazy that for him that's like, you know, at the end of the night and you're like, I got so much more work to do. That's like what he's grinding on.
Starting point is 01:05:50 Up to my neck. That's what he's grinding on. I'm just, I got a, I just, it's all the old torture. Babe, give me a second. I know. New ways to torture people. You're blowing me up.
Starting point is 01:05:59 you have no idea the pressure I'm under. I'm under a lot of stress. I torture these guys with the chainsaw last time. They're going to expect it. I haven't come in minutes. It's actually quoted from the workers and staff that worked with Uday that the day he got the internet was a dark day for Iraq. Yeah. I mean, another incident, again, in no particular order, happens when a group of Russian ballet dancers come to a rock to perform.
Starting point is 01:06:24 He invited one of the dancers and her teacher to come to his room for what he said was a party. Obviously there's no party, and his bodyguards forced a dancer and the teacher to fornicate while pointing guns at them as Udeve recorded everything. And then, you know... He was just trying to watch? I guess. I don't know if it's like... This is a man who's gotten into the internet. That's not saying.
Starting point is 01:06:45 We must film it. Dude, yeah, I know. So, Lateef Yehia, our hero from before, confirmed that his violent and horrible behavior goes even beyond assault because he would try to elevate these acts to where they were beyond even like fornication. If you can imagine. I don't want to. He says, you know, he can't sleep with a woman if he didn't hit her.
Starting point is 01:07:10 He can't sleep with her unless there was some type of violence involved in the act. It's not very nice. I mean, yeah, he did all sorts of crazy things. I mean, one of the most horrible things was the wedding raids. And this made people hate him all around a rock to a degree that like everyone was like fuck this guy forever. It's tough PR. I don't know what they are,
Starting point is 01:07:31 but I have a feeling based on the tale we were told earlier. You know exactly what it is. He would find weddings actively happening. He was going bride smashing? He was legit finding weddings actively happening and then try to find brides.
Starting point is 01:07:42 That is horrendous. He did this regularly throughout Iraq. And also the craziest sequel to Wedding Crashers I never considered. Yeah, they didn't make a film about that. It's like an A-24 wedding crashers. It's more of a... I don't even know how much I can play with this premise.
Starting point is 01:08:07 It's horrible. We're doing levity here, but yeah, in terms of thinking about... It's like, somehow it is one of the worst things that I can imagine. I don't know... Because it's just... It's borderline worse than death. I don't know why in my brain, like... It's because it's like, it's beyond cruel.
Starting point is 01:08:27 Yeah. And it's psychological war. And it's his own people, too. It's not like he's like some foreign invader, you know what I mean. Right. Say what you will about the Vikings. Right. They did it. They were, you know. They did it some other people. They didn't see them as people. These are like his own countrymen that he's doing this too. And tough PR. Yeah. And they hate him. Yeah. The whole country hates him. They hate him more than Saddam. Like they, he now becomes like the main target for people trying to kill him by like the mid 90s. So by 96, attackers almost, I don't necessarily
Starting point is 01:08:58 want to pause on this. But what he just, he was. He was. He was. He was, he was, he would gather up like vans and they would just be like there's a wedding and he would just pull up to him and just bride steal and do whatever he wanted basically literally okay horrible keep going so by 96 attackers almost kill him while he's riding in his group of cars Uday and his bodyguards are
Starting point is 01:09:13 attacked by a rebel group called Al Nakhda which I don't know much about their politics I'm sided with them well this is a very American thing to do I think what we would do is we hear this story we probably side with them we probably buy a bunch of weapons for them
Starting point is 01:09:29 And then at some point, they are like, well, we don't really like you. And we're like, what the f*** did you say, dude? And then we fight them, like, with our own weaponry. And I could be wrong about that. That's just how I understand foreign policy to work. I mean, they have a whole website. They look great. They have a corporate office on Oman.
Starting point is 01:09:48 Oh, man. Oh, look at this. They got cranes. We're building. We're building. Okay. This might just be a construction company. That might just be a construction company.
Starting point is 01:09:57 And shout out to the Al Nata group for all your corporate office needs. And Scott Oman. This episode is brought to you by Al Nada. Yeah. You're looking for a building for all the whatever work you guys do? Call Nata group. Yes. And we will also protect your wedding.
Starting point is 01:10:16 Yes. So they were going to kill Ude. They shot at the cars with AK-47s, three grenades, the whole shabang, yada, yada, yada. Plus support, by the way. And many of the bodyguards are killed, and Ude himself is shot eight times. Sometimes. One of the bullets gets stuck in his spine, and because of where it was, doctors couldn't remove it through surgery, which meant that Uday had a permanent limp for the rest of his life. I mean, this guy just won't die.
Starting point is 01:10:38 Yeah. So what sets him apart from... He's like beyond the villain in any superhero movie. You couldn't put it in a movie. Yeah. You'd be like, this movie is... I can't watch this anymore. It's a snuff film. Yeah, this is horrible.
Starting point is 01:10:51 And so what sets him apart is from all the terrible things is that most evil people do awful things because they want to accomplish something that they think achieves. some type of good. You know what I mean? Like every type of evil dictators. Like if we can get rid of these people, then our country will succeed. If we can stop this coup, then my government can flourish. They have a warped sense of justifying their actions. Yeah. Whereas Ude just seemed like he was being cruel for the... She's trying to be a bad guy. Literally, dude. You know, they, he just would go around and try to exercise his brutality as much as possible and had no goal that he was working towards. So Uday kind of worked backwards from this idea. Rich kids, they just never have a goal.
Starting point is 01:11:27 You know? That's the problem. You need a little purpose. Yeah. Which, shout out to fucking the Buddha. The Buddha. You know his story. That's right.
Starting point is 01:11:38 He was also a prince, but he went the other way. The ultimate rich kid that was like, let me do a little sabbatical. Let me leave the kingdom. Let me see how the other... Detox. The other 90% live. Detox. He hit an ice bath.
Starting point is 01:11:48 Yeah, exactly. Yeah. And just kind of chilled out, lived with the people and was like, you know what? I'm going to live an aesthetic lifestyle where I teach people the way of enlightenment. Yeah. And, uh... And Uday did the... other thing.
Starting point is 01:11:59 Yeah. Yeah. And so he's trying to like kind of work backwards and justify what he's doing and he's trying to, you know, find like an angle, okay? I'm familiar. So if you want to sleep with women, he could have gone to any nightclub and playing a woman would be happy to be like the dictators, you know. It's too easy.
Starting point is 01:12:17 He likes a challenge. Right. And many women probably would have been down, but he says, no, no, no, no. Women want power, you know, so he chooses to drive around looking for the weddings. and try to exercise his power that way. And, yeah, I don't think he even cared about what he wanted. He just wanted to be evil. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:12:38 He just wanted. Like, it's basically that sentence. It's like he wants everything to belong to him. Yes. And what's fascinating is that Saddam is aware of all this. Yeah. He knows what's going on. He knew about what his son had been doing and just kind of let it keep.
Starting point is 01:12:57 happening and it kind of enabled him yeah so Saddam announced that sounds like he wasn't a very involved father no I think he was a little busy yeah but he does announce that Uday would not take over as dictator when he dies wow Saddam said that his second son Koussa Koussa would take over let me get up in that Kusay Kusay is just Latif make that Kussi slap let's take over yeah give it to your third son, dude. He's a vibe. That guy was sick as hell. Cuse, I would imagine we're going to find out he's not
Starting point is 01:13:32 great either, but he doesn't seem as bad. You're hoping he just, you know, gets far from the tree. Yeah. But we will discover. Saddam basically makes his decision because he believes that Uday is too cruel for that much power and didn't want him to take over the country. So just thinking about that, right? Saddam, like
Starting point is 01:13:48 one of the most evil dictators by, you know, some measures by depending who he asked, believe that his own son is too evil to be the next dictator. Yeah. So when Saddam is like, you went too far, that's... You've overachieved. But it is a goat giving his respect. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 01:14:04 In his own way. Yeah, in his own way. You've become too powerful. Yeah, exactly. And there were other reasons why Uday didn't get to become the new dictator. For instance, that he had a permanent limp made him seem weak. I kind of like it. Yeah, it kind of swagged out.
Starting point is 01:14:21 Get him a cane. Right? And, yeah, Saddam didn't like the... the over-the-top behavior. Yeah. Like, he was too awesome. It's hard to keep a lid on your society when you're going around to weddings doing what he was doing. How do you think Ude feels?
Starting point is 01:14:37 I would imagine he took the news gracefully and completely understood where everyone was coming from. Unfortunately, you're wrong. He's pissed off. And he's angry. He's not going to inherit the power. And over time, he finds himself being left out from more and more government business and decisions. And people who used to surround Uday had now kind of. of abandoned him and were sort of working with Cuse instead because he's going to become the next leader.
Starting point is 01:15:00 Yeah. Uday understood that even though he could do basically, you know, anything he wanted, he knew that there would now be serious consequences if he tries to murder Cusay. Right. Killing Cusei was one of the few things that he wouldn't be able to get away with. Killing that, Cousay. Yeah. And if he tried to take out the brother, he would also be sentenced to death. So he basically had like no choice.
Starting point is 01:15:23 He kind of just accepted that, you know, Cousay would become. the next dictator. So the government continued working normally, but with everyone paying attention to Cusee now. Meanwhile, Uday kept doing kind of what he'd always been doing, you know, drinking party and killing assaults and all sorts of terrible things. Yeah, I don't really love this guy with more time on his hands. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:15:43 We should have given him enough work. And this went on for years. Yeah. Until the boys. The boys. The run. There were good things about the invasion. It didn't, I don't think it went well in the long run.
Starting point is 01:15:59 That's what I'm saying. Like, if they just let off with these stories, they're like, do they have weapons of mass destruction? He's like, no, but they've got this weapon of ass destruction that he's been reeking havoc on society. We got to get rid of this guy. Yeah. I think America would be like, all right. Yeah. Let it rip.
Starting point is 01:16:14 Yeah, like tell us the truth is the thing with, you know, CIA keeps fibbing. So all that to say, I mean, you know, there's, I'm not going to get too much into the Iraq. but many of the important Iraqi leaders kind of went into hiding because I knew America was looking for. And American soldiers had been given these playing cards called the Iraq's most wanted because they wanted them to be familiar with the faces, the names of everyone in Iraq that they were trying to find.
Starting point is 01:16:40 Yeah. So even though they weren't necessarily boys, Uday and Cuse actually hid together in a house that they took over from the owner in the city of Mosul. And they were using fake names like Noirf and were trying to find a way to escape from Iraq and they understood that the American soldiers were gaining in on them. American forces found out that Ude and Cusei were hiding,
Starting point is 01:17:02 and many people believe that the house owner told the Americans where to find them because they hated Ude that much. People think this because the house owner and his family left Iraq and then suddenly showed up in America with $30 million. Well, that's a fair trail right there. I think that does make sure. 30 mil for a little sniff. I guess that was the wanted on him.
Starting point is 01:17:23 Maybe they're doing sports betting. Who knows? It's possible. I don't know if Fandle, I haven't checked if Fandle has that region. Let's check the money line on the Iraqi soccer team. I think they're going to lose. Their best player's got a fucking leg missing. I have a feeling they're not doing too hot.
Starting point is 01:17:38 Yeah, that ball's not made out of concrete, so they have a distinct disadvantage. They've been training with the wrong ball. They've been training with the wrong ball. Yeah, dude. So by July 22nd, 2003, Special American Military Unit called the J-Soc Task Force 20, working with the 101st Airborne Division started a mission to attack the house.
Starting point is 01:17:58 Which, let me just say, I watched the Osama Netflix talk. That shit got me fired up, dude. So I know it's propaganda. I understand this is likely being fed in the United Republic. When you go, oh, every guest is from the CIA, I wonder who controlled the narrative.
Starting point is 01:18:15 That being said, was it all lies? Or were they just telling their side of the story and is it not an interesting side of the story? Want war. But if you have war with the United States, it's not going to go well. Someone else will raise your children.
Starting point is 01:18:30 Yeah. Have you heard that speech? No. Dude, can we pull that up, Gabe? No, but that's fired up for the second. I think it's important to say, oh, dude, we don't want war speech. I think it's important to note,
Starting point is 01:18:42 because I often find myself being critical of the American war machine. I think that's appropriate. We are good at destroying things. Yeah. The real question is what happens after we do. Don't look into the after. Don't look into the after.
Starting point is 01:18:54 You just need to listen to this and go, you know what? Let's fucking go. Yeah. Yeah. Talk about it. Nope. Well, a little. Talk to them.
Starting point is 01:19:50 Jesus. Christ. It ain't me. Oh, my God. It ain't me. I ain't no fucking helicopters. It is an anti-war song, which is funny. But helicopters.
Starting point is 01:20:02 Fucking nom. Dude, it just gets you fired up. Look, I understand. I love a good locker room speech. I'm not. a pro-war guy, okay? Look, we want peace all over the world. With that said, if you want war with the United States,
Starting point is 01:20:15 so help me, God. Yeah, don't. If you poke the bear. Oh. So, they're basically watching the house. The boys are gaining in on them. And American soldiers find out there are four people inside.
Starting point is 01:20:27 You have Ude, Kusei, a bodyguard, and Kusei's son. The plan is to capture all of them alive. That they wish they had their body doubles. Right? Yeah. Uday and Kusei were Saddam's only two sons, if you don't count the third, which made them extremely important targets. So the American forces used everything they had to make sure that the mission wouldn't fail.
Starting point is 01:20:45 They brought over 200 soldiers, Kiowa helicopters, an A10 whart hog fighter jet. They were making absolutely sure these motherforkers couldn't cut away. American soldiers surround the house and tell the people inside to come out with their hands up. But instead of surrendering, the people in the house start shooting back of the American soldiers and the Americans start firing with them. This started a gunfight that lasted for four hours. Uday and Kusei used heavy machine guns and AK-47 rifles to fight the American soldiers. Four American soldiers tried to sneak into the area and get to a back entrance of the house.
Starting point is 01:21:15 Unfortunately, someone inside, we still don't know who, threw a grenade out the window, and the soldiers were badly wounded. Finally, the American forces started hitting the house with missiles and shooting at it with helicopters. After 10 direct hits with the missiles and after half the house had basically fallen down and destroyed, the shooting from inside stopped. the American soldiers go in and they find the dead bodies of Cusei and Ude in the wreckage.
Starting point is 01:21:41 Four people were killed in that operation. Oh, Jesus. And there they are. Dead as fuck. Yeah, dude. Good news. Travels fast sometimes. Daff. Actually, let me tell you. I give them what they did to people.
Starting point is 01:21:56 Whoa, Jesus. Cusei, I can't. Are those cakes? That, I think, is Freddie Mercury. I don't know exactly. Is that posts? Is that post autops? God damn.
Starting point is 01:22:07 Well, I've had enough of that for today. So, I don't know. It looked like cakes in that one, dude. That would be a sick reel, dude. Is it cake? No, to Dome's son. Yeah, to Uday, it might have been cake. Who knows?
Starting point is 01:22:19 Yeah. When he is confirmed to have been killed, his death is announced to the public in the same night, and for many nights afterwards, you would hear celebratory gunshots fired all over across Baghdad. In his honor, dude. It is what he would have won. wanted. I don't know how you know that they're celebratory. Yeah. Like, I just wonder. Could it's just
Starting point is 01:22:37 been gunshots? The U.S. is like, dude, the people are stoked. It's like, you're driving a tank through a village. That's what I say. Anytime I'm in a bad neighborhood, I'm like, did you hear those people celebrating? Yeah. Celebrating. They probably were pumped, though. Oh. That's like, you know, again, short-sighted, but initially the thing was like, hey, we got to get rid of these people, the people don't like them. Now that's true. Yes. What comes next? You're always looking at the whole thing. Yes. You're always looking at the whole thing. Yes. You're always looking at the, oh, what happens. Right. You got to just relish in the moment.
Starting point is 01:23:07 It's true. It's just enjoy the fact that Uday is gone. Yeah, that is nice. It's nice to think about. 20 years, I mean, I didn't know this when I was, you know, seven. Right, but we went through the story today, and we've reached a happy point in the story. So far. Where, oh, he comes back. I'm not cake, motherfuckers.
Starting point is 01:23:27 But the people of Iraq are very happy, and that, you know, that Uday is gone and he's buried in a, you know, a grave. near the town of Tickrit. Soon after, American soldiers search Uday's house and they find all the typical things you would find in a dictator's son's home. They find... Dildos, a bunch of bottles, baby oil.
Starting point is 01:23:44 Some recording equipment. They find pet cheetahs and lions, a bunch of cars. They find guns made out of gold, and they also find $650 million of cash hidden inside the walls of the house. And that is the terrible and twisted tale. of Uday Hussein.
Starting point is 01:24:04 Wow. What a piece of shit. Right? Yeah. I'm not one, again, I'm generally a pacifist. I think that there's good in all of us and that through the power of Christ we can all enter into the kingdom of heaven. With that being said, I mean, this guy's a real motherfucker.
Starting point is 01:24:19 I'm glad he's dead. Yeah. 100%. Yeah, 100%. And, you know, it is nice because I focus on the negative aspects of that war, which ended up not being great, but it's nice to say, hey, we killed that guy. Right. And that guy needed to get killed.
Starting point is 01:24:33 Was it worth the millions of casualties? Well, see, that's where again, let's probably know. But where this story today ends, shout out to us. Shout out to the boys. For this moment. That's what I'm saying, dude. I don't know. You hear about all the terrible things, and you're like, all right.
Starting point is 01:24:48 Again, I don't like to celebrate the death of people, right? This is a human life that God put on our planet. No. And it was taken. But he was crashing these weddings. And this guy sucked. This guy sucked, dude. Oh, my God.
Starting point is 01:25:00 Like beyond the fact that he was committing horrible atrocities to his own people, all that, just vibes-wise had to have been the worst hang. Oh, of all time. Yeah. And he had every opportunity to just live like a sick-ass life. That's an absolute, like, award, the worst hang of all time. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. The mush. Huss.
Starting point is 01:25:21 The mush of all mushes. Like, I couldn't imagine a worst vibe. Yeah. Like hitting up your boy being like, yo, come out. And they're like, who's it with? Yeah, yeah. Ude has bottle service And you're like, I don't want to get hit with a lead
Starting point is 01:25:33 pipe full of rocks By fake Ude, I might not even be the real one Might not even be the real one I'm getting abused by the thing that fake Ude left out of his story is like if he's in public as Uday He needs to be doing Uday shit Right So he was probably piping a couple people Non metaphorically
Starting point is 01:25:49 Literally piping mother-present Because like if you're an assassin and you got sights on him And you're like this Uday is extremely jovial And kind Why is this guy asking this woman about her day? Yeah, that doesn't seem like him at all. Atypical of the Uday we all know and hate. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:26:07 But, you know, as with all things, there's good and bad of every conflict. But I think just today we can say, you know what, there's a little bit of good. A little bit of good. A good one in terms of this story. And I think a forewarning. If there's any, you know, dictators out there, extremely wealthy people. Watch your kids. For real, dude.
Starting point is 01:26:24 We don't fuck them up. We don't want war. We don't want war. but kill kids I mean for real though like just make your kids suffer a little make them struggle make them go through some shit
Starting point is 01:26:37 it's important like Saddam just as easily could have been like hey Uda go out there and you gotta live in a Bedouin hut for a while he could have been the next prophet imagine that yeah he could have been a good guy
Starting point is 01:26:49 and this is this is the thing like say what you will about like religious dictators you hope that maybe there's a little bit of religiosity to get in there to be like okay, you can't murder. Like, it's a wedding. A law made this wedding happen.
Starting point is 01:27:01 Yeah, they just, they always kind of find a way to be like, hey, but he told me. Yeah. We got to do this one. Yeah, that's a good point. I don't know. I'm glad he's gone. So am I. And I didn't even know he was really here, to be honest.
Starting point is 01:27:15 I didn't know a ton about Ude. I had known, like I said at the beginning, like I had heard a little bit. I had heard there that Ude and Cusei kind of funny name, you know, kind of a two-man at little Bert and Ernie vibes. I knew they were causing around, wreaking all sorts of. havoc but I suppose it was a little more playful in my mind yeah and that was uh pretty dark that boy did not play no that ladies gentlemen is the butcher of bagdad the ace of hearts has finally folded get it i don't know if that's really a poker term i don't think i think it works
Starting point is 01:27:45 i don't really play poker that much i'll take it okay what do you think all right all right right come on now it's you know time to just be fucking just gabbing all the time oh thanks for having me mark this was a lovely time joseph thank you so much i appreciate you spending the afternoon to learn about the horrible treachery of Uday. Of course. And, you know, just one more time for people, if they're ever in New York, show at Mary Lou last Tuesday of every month. It's a great show. Come on, check it out.
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