Camp Gagnon - The Thule Society: Hitler's Secret Occult Group

Episode Date: June 16, 2026

Today, we look at the Thule secret society. We’ll review the Nazis' obsession with Vril energy, The Morning of the Magicians, and other interesting topics. Welcome to Camp! 🏕️Shoutout to our sponsors: Mars Men and GLD-New Customers get 40% OFF With Promo-Code: "CAMP" When They Visit: https://GLD.com-Visit https://mengotomars.com and get 50% Off FOR LIFE, Free Shipping, and 3 Free Gifts with Code 'CAMP' at Checkout.Want the even WILDER theories?SIGN UP TO THE PATREON: https://www.patreon.com/cw/CampGagnon👕🧢 Shop CAMP Merch: https://camp-rd.com/collections/ufo🎟️ 🎫 Comedy Tour Tickets: https://markgagnonlive.com🎩👽 Daily Dose Of History: https://www.dailytodayinhistory.comTimestamps:0:00 Camp Bulletin + Christos YAPPIN1:45 Origin of Vril4:20 Helena Blavatsky + Occult Societies Adopt ‘Vril’ Knowledge6:05 Nazis Obsession w/ Vril Energy10:15 The Vril Circle + Morning of Magicians14:10 Maria Orsic’s Star System Seance16:50 Nazi Wonderweapons18:50 Repulsine Propulsion19:25 Die Glocke: The Bell + Hans Kammler23:53 The Henge: Die Glocke Test Rig25:50 Keksburg UFO + Die Glocke Time Machine29:13 Nazi Crafts in Recent UFO Files33:31 What’s The TRUTH?35:37 Drop Your Thoughts!#podcast #campgagnon #foryou #history #knowledge #occult #secret

In 1918, a secret occult lodge in Munich called the Tool Society began backing a tiny political party that would erupt into the most infamous movement of the 20th century, the Nazi party. They claimed to channel a mysterious blonde psychic who gave them the blueprints for flying machines that operated on something she called real energy from a star system 65 light years away. I don't know it sounds crazy, but shortly thereafter, Hitler was producing some of the most advanced weaponry ever created in a program that he called a Wundervaef, aka Wonder Weapons. We're talking the V2 Rocket,

the Horton Ho 229. This program supposedly involved an SS general loyal only to Hitler who disappeared in May of 1945. But U.S. intelligence files suggest that he may have lived for weeks after his own funeral. But maybe the most famous story

associated with the Nazis isn't an SS general or a rocket. It's a bell-shaped device, possibly buried in a Polish mountain, and it's called the D. Glaka, the infamous Nazi bell that's connected to everything from time travel to advanced propulsion and even a secret Nazi program that we still don't know the full extent of. And on May 8th, 2026, the Pentagon quietly released

an FBI document that kind of threads it all together. This is the story of the Tool Society, the Vrille Society, and the UFO files that just made this entire conspiracy a lot, lot stranger. So if you're interested in World War II history, the Nazi war machine, what they were really building and a little flavoring of some UFO files. Well, this is the episode for you. So sit back, relax, and welcome to camp. What's up, people, and welcome back to camp. My name is Mark Gagnon, and thank you for joining me in my tent where every single week we explore the most interesting, fascinating, controversial stories from around the world from all time forever. Yes, that is what I do in this tent. Every single week I sit down here and I try to deep dive into the craziest rabbit hole that I can get myself into. Truly, I am curious about everything and all things around me, and this is the place where I do it. Now, before we begin, I just want to say a few things. off the bat. As I say, the camp bulletin, if you will. I want to say thank you to you, dude slash lady, whatever you are. I want to say thanks for tuning in. Every time you click on an

episode and comment or like or anything like that, you really help the show grow. You help us expand and do all sorts of crazy stuff. You help me chase my wildest dreams and it more importantly help keep the lights on in the tent and you keep the fire burning here at the campsite. And of course, all of your kind clicks and likes go straight to my dear pal, Christos Papparapodos, who's sitting right in the corner here. He is the man who runs a show around the campsite. How are you, Christos? Love you guys.

All right, Christos, we don't have a ton of time because we also have my pal, David, sitting across from me who's going to help me try to figure out what's going on with these Nazi UFOs. How are you? I'm good. Well, we have quite the story. And I'm sure you probably clicked on this and you're like, really, Mark? We're talking about Nazi UFOs. I know it sounds crazy, but there's some stuff in here that is not as crazy as you may think.

And as I like to tout our show, this is kind of like the sports center of conspiracies. Okay, we're just going to entertain all the possible options. and then we'll come to the most probabilistic one, all right? I'm not going to dive in off the deep end and just go crazy, be like, the Nazis had a UFO, but maybe they did. We're just going to see, okay? We're just going to lay it all out. We're going to explain why this story exists,

why it's coming up now with the recent UFO release, and why some people are true believers that Hitler was potentially convening with the aliens. But in order to understand this conspiracy, you've got to start all the way back in 1871, 50 years before Hitler was ever given a speech. He was just a glimmer in his, mother's easy womb anyway that year an English novelist and a politician named Edward Bolver Lytton anonymously published a science fiction novel called the coming race now quick little aside here Bolwer Litton is actually one of the most

influential writers in English history ever he coined the phrase the pen is mightier than the sword so shout out to him and he also invented that line it was a dark and stormy night you've heard this stuff right you've heard these these sayings before. I didn't know Dark and Stormy Night was him. Come on. You didn't know his Bull were litting? Lighten. How do you not know this stuff, Christos? I thought it was Mark Twain. I'm glad you're in the campsite. Now you're going to be...

No, Mark Twain's a tale of two cities. Close. That's Charles Dickens. Anyway, look, there's a famously bad writing contest even named after him to this day. But his strangest legacy is this book, The Coming Race. And the plot of the book is basically this. You have this American like engineer. He's like a mining engineer.

And he falls down a shaft and discovers a subterranean civilization called the Vrilla. And there are these tall, beautiful, telepathic, like an ancient society that is able to, you know, understand like all this crazy tech. And they control this universal energy called Vrill. Now, with Vrill, they can do everything. It's like the AllSpark, you know, like they can heal and fly and kill and kill and manipulate matter and like reshape reality. And they live in these caves under the surface of the earth. And they, you know, abolished war and they practiced eugenics. And the novel ends with a warning. And And the warning is basically that one day they're going to come up to the surface, and when they do, they're going to wipe out humanity.

And now, of course, when Bulwer-Lighton writes this, it's like a satire book. It's like science fiction, you know, kind of like, it's just for fun. And he wrote a letter to a friend explaining that Vrail was just his way of describing electricity taken to like the theoretical limit. And it was just kind of a thought experiment for him. But by the time the book hit Germany, for whatever reason, people stopped reading it as purely fiction. Now, just like a fun little side, that word Vrille got so popular in Victorian England that in 1889, a company started selling a like beef extract drink, basically like a beef broth that they called Bovril, literally combining like bovine plus Vrill into like this like collagen cow powder. That's just how popular this book was and how it reshaped kind of the lexicon of Victorian England. And what's crazy is that product is still on the shelves in the UK today, which means that like that term Vrille.

has survived, you know, into like the British society, 150 years later. However, the real shift in all of this comes in 1877, when none other than Helena Blavatsky. We've done a whole episode on her. You should check it out. But she is the founder of the Theosophical Society. And one of the most influential occultists in modern history, she published a book called Isis Unveiled. And we go way deeper on her in a different episode. But for the time being, basically what you need to know is that in this book, she treated this

idea of Vrill as a real force. And then in her 1888 book, The Secret Doctrine, she goes even further. And she basically claims that the lost civilization of Atlantis had used Vril energy to build its massive structures and that a small group of priests or like shamans or just like these wise men had preserved the knowledge after Atlantis sank. So all of a sudden you see this idea of, you know, Vrille moving out of fiction into more mainstream occult orthodoxy. And then by the early 1900s, mystical circles across Europe were debating whether Bulwer Lighten had been a Rosicrucian and was initiated into the Rosicrucians, which is its own secret society, and was using this novel to basically leak the real esoteric truth.

But the truth is he probably wasn't. Or at least there's no historical evidence that he was ever a member of like any type of, you know, esoteric order or like a secret society. But in 1872, he actually wrote a letter complaining about being appointed the grand patron of a Rosicrucian society that he had nothing to do with. But of course, the rumor still stuck. And that's exactly what takes us into the next part of this story.

And this is focused on the Tool Society. I've heard some people pronounce it Tulay, but I'm going with Tool, all right? So we've got to go to Munich in 1918. What's going on in Germany at this time? Well, they just lost World War I. The Kaiser is gone. The economy is falling apart.

And in the chaos, there is a man named Rudolf von Sebenorf, who sets up this, cult lodge on August 18th. And he calls it the tool gaselshaft, but we're just going to call it the tool society. And the name comes from this mythical land named tool. And it's at the far northern end of what the Greek and Roman geographers described as the edge of the known earth. So this guy, So Betendorf and his followers believed that tool was the original homeland of an Aryan master race. So this is all going to kind of click, because if you've ever read World War II history and you're like, how did the Germans think that like they were Aryans because aren't the Aryans like

Swedish or something this kind of how it all sort of it's kind of mixed with like you know white supremacist ideology plus like some occult ideology so officially the tool society was a study group for German antiquity but in reality it was a far right occult lodge that required members to sign a blood declaration swearing that they had no Jewish ancestry and the emblem was like a dagger laid over a swastika surrounded by oak leaves you can literally see the image here. And this is where the documented history gets really strange. So the Tool Society's members read like basically like a who's who of like the early Nazis, right? You got like Rudolph Hess who becomes Hitler's deputy furor and, you know, was a high-ranking Nazi.

He was a member. Hans Frank, who became the governor general of occupied Poland. He was a member. Dietrich Eckhart, the man who personally mentored Hitler in public speaking and whom Hitler dedicated his book, Mind Kampf, too, he was associated with the lodge. And then Alfred Rosenberg, the Nazi party's chief ideologue, was also a regular guest. Now, I'm sure you're wondering that last name, Rosenberg, must have been a little tough for him to sign that no Jewish ancestry thing. But apparently he got away with it. Now, the most important thing with the Tool Society wasn't necessarily the occult. It was the political faction.

So in like early 1919, the Tool Society sponsored the founding of a small political party called the German Workers' Party. So Hitler joined the Workers' Party in September of 1919 as member number 555. And within a couple years, he had renamed it to the National Socialist German Workers Party, which then gets shortened to the Nazi Party. So the Tool Society didn't just influence Nazism. It literally, in a pretty direct way, was very much a part of the funding of the political organization that became the Nazi Party. So this guy, as Abadendorf, used tool money to buy a struggling newspaper called the Volkishir Bulbuchar, which Hitler later turned into the basically like the official Nazi newspaper. And

now, and this is, I think, an important thread here, there's a big distinction that historians will make. Hitler himself was never a formal tool member. Some of the more famous alleged members were, you know, like Goring, Heinrich Himmler, Joseph Goebbels. They were probably never official members either, but they were guests in some capacity. And the core fact here is pretty undeniable that you have this small occult lodge in Munich that's obsessed with Aryan mythology and this lost northern homeland of the master race that is effectively sponsoring the political seed that then becomes the Third Reich. And interestingly, after the Nazis took power, Zabotendorf tried to take credit. In 1933, he published a book called Bevor Hitler-Kalm, which literally means like before Hitler showed up,

and claimed that his lodge had paved the way for him to become the furor, which is kind of funny because the Hitler, like, Hitler and all the Nazis, they hated that. And they even banned the book. They arrested Zabetendorf in 1934 and then forced him into exile in Turkey. And he eventually took his own life by allegedly jumping to the Bosphorus in 1945, the very same week that Berlin fell. It's just kind of funny that, like, you know, Hitler's on the rise. And this guy's like, yo, I actually kind of put Hitler on.

But I'm kind of like, I'm like his OG. And all of the Nazis were like, no, you're not. It's just hilarious that there was a time where people were like, yo, I started that whole thing. I bet you all of his kids are like, he had nothing to do with it. He was a good man. Anyway, this is where the story kind of splits, all right? So in the historical records, there is something called a Vril Circle. And we know this from exactly one credible firsthand source.

This guy, Willie Lay, who was a German rocket scientist who fled Nazi Germany in 1933 and then later helped pioneer the American space program. So in 1947, Lay wrote an article for the American magazine, Astounding Science Fiction, describing this strange pseudo-scientific group that existed in pre-World War II Germany. And in that article, Leigh mentioned a small Berlin group that he called the Arheit-Genzelshaft, which literally means the Society for Truth, which basically spent its time looking for Vrille, this like ancient energy that controls the whole world. Now, they knew that Bolwer-Lighton's book was fiction, this whole thing that put Vrille kind of into the lexicon,

but they believe that in the book were real secrets about a real ford that he was basically tipping them off to. Now, according to Lay, one of their research methods was contemplating the structure of an apple cut in half. It sounds weird, but they thought it revealed some type of universal geometric truth about Vrille. You can think of Vrille almost as like chi or like energy, like sort of this, you know, like esoteric cosmic energy

that controls the whole universe. But that's sort of it. That's the entire document that the Vrille society has in the historical record. sort of have this small Berlin group of fringe pseudoscientists meditating on apples, and this one guy, Willie Lay, kind of like spilled the beans on it. Everything else, and this is the part that I think we should be careful with, comes from a single book that's published in 1960 in France.

And the book is called Les Matins de Magicians, which translates to The Morning of the Magicians. And it's written by this journalist Louis Powell and Jacques Berger. And this is the book that sort of invented this modern story of the Vreal Society. And it's the book that introduced the idea that the Nazis were, you know, very much deep in the occult communicating with extradimensional beings. And it's this book that essentially created this whole genre, or at least popularized the genre of the Nazi occult conspiracy. So Paul Wels and Bergeret described the Vril Society as a powerful inner circle inside Nazi Germany dedicated to harnessing virile energy for political power. And in the book, they claim that Eckart and Hosshofer and Hitler were all members.

claimed that Vril was the secret force behind Hitler's hypnotic public speaking ability. Now, before you get too excited, here's the catch. The authors themselves told you in their foreword what they were doing. They wrote, and this is a quote, let us repeat that there will be a lot of silliness in our book, but this matters little if the book stirs up a few vocations. So what do we do with that? You're basically trying to create a genre called Fantastic Realism,

something that deliberately blurred the line between research and speculation. So mainstream historians don't really take this book seriously. And when you actually search Bundesarchiv, the German federal archive that actually contains all the tool membership lists and everything that was going on, like it has all the Nazi party meetings and all the rocket schematics and all the internal SS memos, there's no real mention of the VRIL society at all, no documents, no internal Nazi correspondents. Hitler wasn't, you know, talking about VRIL all the time. But still, the book sold massively. and it became a real cult classic in 1960s, France, and really laid the groundwork for what came next. Guys don't really talk about what happens as you get older,

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But regardless, in 1967, Paul Wells and Bergeret published a follow-up that introduced a new character. And her name was Maria Orsick. Now, according to the legend, and this is just part of the legend, Orsick was a Croatian-born medium, like a mystic. and she was born on October 31st, 1895 in Zagreb. According to their account, she was beautiful and blonde and had hair so long that she wore it in this enormous ponytail all the way down her back. And the story says that in December of 1919, Maria and another medium named Sigran held a seance in this forested area near one of the Bavarian mountains where Hitler would later build his eagle nest retreat. And during that seance, Orsick supposedly received telepathic transmissions in two unknown languages. One looked like ancient Templar writing, and the other one was eventually identified as ancient Sumerian.

And the message allegedly came from a planet orbiting the star, Aldebaran, which is a real star, and it's this bright, red, orange eye of the constellation Taurus. That's about 65 light years from Earth. Now, according to this channeled message that she received, beings from AldaBaron had visited Earth half a billion years ago, and they established the Sumerian civilization as basically like a colony. And the original Sumerians in the ancient Germanic peoples were actually genetically related. And then this sort of ties it all together. The Aldaburon supposedly transmitted technical specifications, basically like blueprints for flying machines. Now, the mythology here says that the Vreal

Society used those blueprints to build a series of disc-shaped crafts that they codenamed Frill 1, Vrille 7, and then eventually larger ships that they called the Hanebu and the Andromeda Gera. So then in May of 1945, as the Reich collapsed, as the story goes, Maria Orsick supposedly sent a last letter that read Nyman blighted heir, basically saying no one is staying here. And then she and her entire circle just vanished. Now, of course, as the legend goes, she allegedly left Earth on some type of real craft heading for the star 65 light years away. Now, of course, it's a great story, but there are some problems. Because that Maria Orsick that we're talking about, She doesn't appear in a single document anywhere in the historical record before Powell and Berge's 1967 book.

22 years after her supposed disappearance. No Nazi party files, no SS files, no Munich civil records, no trial, no newspaper, no eyewitness accounts, literally nothing. I mean, there's a single famous photograph of her that circulates online, and the sources say that she might not even be a real person. Now, here's where the conspiracy meets what's actually document. documented and where things get really weird. I think, you know, the Vril Society and the Maria Orsick stuff, it's fun to talk about because it's built into the mythology and the lore. But what's actually real is that the Nazis were running a very secret weapons program that they called the Wunderwaffe, literally the wonder weapons. And many of those weapons are legitimate. And some of them were so far ahead

of their time that it makes, you know, some of these like UFO stories sound less crazy. So, for example, the V2 rocket designed by Varner von Braun was the world's first. long-range guided ballistic missile. It crossed the boundary into space during its flight arc. And it really, I mean, it made the Nazis the first regime in human history to put a man-made object into space, if you think about it, right? So then after the war, Von Braun was relocated to the United States under Operation Paperclip. This was a classified American program that brought like 1600 German scientists to the United States between 1945 and 1959. And he ended up running the Saturn 5 program at NASA. And was...

was largely credited as one of the main engineers that put the first man on the moon, which is just a pretty crazy ripple in history. And we actually did a whole episode on History Camp about Varner von Braun. And it's just the most insane thing that you have the same engineer who's working with Hitler to basically build a terror weapon, that then a few decades later is now designing the rocket hanging out next to JFK, putting Americans on the moon. Now, another weapon that they produced is called the Messerschmitt Me 262. And this was the world's first operational jet fighter. And then you have the Horton Ho-229, which was a flying wing aircraft that's so crazy-looking

in design that when Northrop Grumman reverse engineered a replica in 2009, they found that it had partial like stealth properties all the way back in 1945. I mean, if you look at a picture of it, it looks like something out of Star Wars. It looks like something that like, you know, like the American military would use now. So this part of the story will take us to a guy named Victor Schauberger, who was an Austrian engineer who developed a propulsion concept that he called the repulsine. This was a disc-shaped engine that used a spinning air vortex in order to generate lift. And it's almost certainly the reason why there is, you know, the historical source for the Nazi flying saucer stories that really

started to circulate in the 1950s. Now, whether the repulsine ever actually flew is still very much debated amongst, you know, aerospace engineers and historians, but the engineering drawings definitely exist. And you can see them right here. I mean, it's a pretty insane looking thing. And then after the repulsine, there is maybe the most controversial piece of this whole thing. This is known as the D. Glocka. This is also known as the bell. Now, the D. Glaca is the story of this bell-shaped device that is roughly like 12 feet tall, nine feet wide. And it was supposedly built in a deep underground tunnel in Lower Silesia in modern day Poland under the code name chronos. Now, according to the story, it contained two counter-rotating cylinders filled with this

violet, purply metallic liquid that they called Xerum 525, and it drew this massive amount of electricity, and when activated, it emitted radiation so intense that it would kill plants or animals or even some of the scientists that were working on it. Now, the man who introduced the story was a Polish journalist named Igor Wittowski, and he wrote a book in 2000 called Prada Oven Vos, basically the truth about the wonder weapon. Now, Wachowski claimed that he was shown classified Polish intelligence documents in 1997, including a confession from one of the high-ranking SS generals, this guy, Jacob Sporenberg, who allegedly admitted to executing 62 people connected to the project at the end of the war.

Now, there's a crucial element here. Wittkowski was reportedly not allowed to keep any of the copies of these documents, and so as a result, no independent researcher has ever verified them. So this entire story just rests on Wittowski's words alone. But if this Di Glockhe had an overseer, it was supposedly a man named Hans Kamler. And this guy Hans Kamler was real. He was an SS Obergruppenfür, the equivalent of a four-star general. And he had a PhD in civil engineering.

And his resumes is maybe one of the most morbidly impressive slash disturbing of the entire Third Reich. So he personally oversaw the architectural designs of Auschwitz. And in the final months of the war, Kamler had been promoted to one of the most powerful positions in Nazi Germany, and he answered only to Hitler. And so on January 31st, 1945, Hitler made him the head of all missile projects. And in March of that same year, Hitler stripped Herman Goring of authority over aircraft support and gave it to Kamler instead. So then by the end of the Third Reich, Kamler was effectively like the third or fourth most

powerful man in all of Germany. And then the weird part of his story is that in May of 1945, he vanished. The accepted version of his death is that he took his own life near Prague on May 9, 1945, in order to prevent being captured by the Soviets. But his wife had him legally declared dead in 1948, which is pretty weird. I mean, if the accepted story from his stories that happened in 1945, and then all of a sudden his wife declares it in 1948, maybe she was, you know, couldn't handle the idea that he would take his own life, or maybe she was just reeling from the loss and everything that had happened with the Third Reich

in the fall of Berlin. Now, what's even weirder is that nobody was ever recovered. There are at least four different versions of his death that float around. One says that he died on May 7th, another says he died on May 10th. A 1969 book claims that he was killed defending a bunker against Czech partisans.

But then in 2014, declassified American documents revealed something even weirder. A U.S. Air Force intelligence document dated May 30th, 1945, just three weeks after his alleged death, listed Kamler amongst high-ranking German prisoners of war that were available for interrogation, sitting alongside the names of Albert Speer and Herman Goring. And then on November of 1945, the chief of U.S. Air Force intelligence in Europe ordered Kamler to be interrogated specifically about his knowledge of

underground Nazi installations. But in 1949, from an internal U.S. report by a special investigator named Oscar Pack, he concluded directly, quote, the state of the subject suspected and allegedly confirmed by the witnesses is refuted by the CIC's precise information about his capture and escape in May of 1945. So what does that mean? Basically, the American military and its intelligence officers appear to have known that Kamler was alive in May of 1945, and then his trail just kind of vanishes again. So for a man who oversaw the V2 rocket program, the Holocaust most infamous death camp, and the most secretive, Nazi weapons program. It's kind of just a strange way for his story to end. And this is the man who, according to the Di Glocki story, if you believe that, he was the one that was running the bell.

Now, about two miles from the Vensasloss mine in lower Silesia, there's a strange concrete structure that many conspiracy theorists and independent researchers have nicknamed the Henge. And it's this circle of thick concrete pillars connected at the top by this heavy concrete ring. Now, Wutkowski claims that this is the test rig where the diglaka was held during anti-gravity experiments. So the pillars in his version would have anchored the device against the powerful energy that it created when it was actually turned on. And it's a pretty cool theory, but there is an issue with this theory. Skeptics, including former aerospace scientist David Myra, points out that the Henge looks exactly like the remains of just an ordinary industrial cooling tower from like a coal-fired power plant. Now, those mines that are nearby, the senseless mines, those are coal mines, and coal mines need power plants and power plants need cooling towers.

So the shape and the materials and the construction style, and all of that, even the location, they're all consistent with just a very boring, mundane piece of mid-1940s infrastructure that happened to survive even after the building around it fell. So now we have two different options here. We have a test rig for an anti-gravity weapon or the remains of like a coal plant. cooling tower. Now, the honest answer here is that no one has ever produced a single contemporary Nazi document or blueprint or eyewitness account from anyone that was inside the project that actually confirms that this die-glaca, you know, bell, anti-gravity mechanism ever existed. But the lack of evidence is kind of what keeps the story alive. Because this guy, Kamler, did exist. And the underground tunnels in Lower Silesia, they did exist. And they were a part of this thing called Project

Reese, a real Nazi underground construction project whose full purpose has never really been fully explained, which maybe that's worth doing a deep dive on, like those underground, you know, Nazi tech chambers. All right it down. Something interesting. Now, here's where the story leaves Europe entirely and lands in a small town in Pennsylvania. So on the evening of December 9th, 1965, at around like 4.30 p.m., a massive fireball streaked across the sky over six U.S. states and into Ontario, Canada.

And thousands of witnesses from Michigan to New York, they all looked up in the sky and they saw this giant fireball. Police agencies across the region were all flooded with calls, and some witnesses even reported feeling vibrations or like hearing a super loud thump. And then, in a small farming town known as Kexburg, Pennsylvania, something supposedly came out of the woods. A local volunteer firefighter named James Romansky was one of the first people to actually arrive at this alleged crash site. and he later reported seeing a large metallic object partially buried in the ground. And he described it as acorn shape, roughly the size of a Volkswagen Beetle with a band of strange symbols around it that looked like maybe hieroglyphics or something like that. And then another resident, this guy, Bill Bulbush,

he claimed that he saw the object descending under apparent control before it eventually crash landed, and his report said that it looked like it was just being flown. Now, what happens next is the part that no one really, disputes. The U.S. military arrived in force. They cordoned off the entire area. They kept civilians and reporters out of the woods. And according to multiple witnesses, they eventually drove away with something large and kind of acorn or bell shaped, completely covered by a tarp on the back of just a flatbed truck. And the official explanation of this kept on changing. First, they said it was nothing. And then they said that it was a meteor. And then in 2005, NASA stated that the fragments had been from a Soviet

satellite, possibly a failed Venus probe Cosmos 96. However, investigative journalist Leslie Kane eventually sued NASA under the Freedom of Information Act in 2003, and the lawsuit eventually forced NASA to admit that two entire boxes of documents from the time of the Kexburg incident were missing. Astronomers have argued that the fireball was probably a large meteor, and it ended its descent over Lake Erie, hundreds of miles from Kexburg, and they argued that, you know, this acorn on a flatbed thing was just a story that great. over decades from just a couple eyewitness accounts.

But here's why this Kexberg story matters for what we're talking about today. Because the shape of the object that eyewitnesses actually described, this acorn bell-shaped thing with markings around the base, is very similar to the bell shape attributed to the diglaka. And that comparison was even made in a 2008 episode on a Discovery Channel documentary called Nazi UFO conspiracy, and again in 2011 by ancient aliens, which proposed that the object that was recaptured,

at Kexburg was actually the DiGlocka itself, captured by the U.S. through Operation Paperclip, secretly tested over the next two decades, and then accidentally crashed in 1965. But then the theory gets even crazier, and it gets pushed farther by this guy Joseph Farrell, who stated that if the DiGlocka was a time machine, as some versions of this legend will claim,

then maybe Kamler didn't just escape Germany. Maybe he escaped 1945 entirely. This is where we're going off the rails, but this is what people have thrown out there on the internet, okay? They claimed that what crashed in Kexburgh 20 years later was the bell and Kamler himself. Now, that's a wild theory. That's not one I personally subscribed to, but in the interest of, you know, going over all the possible paths here, who might as well bring it up. Now, this brings us all the way to basically today, May 18th, 2026, is when the Department of War releases a ton of files. They launched the Pursue portal at war.gov slash UFO, and it comes out of a February, 2026,

executive order directing federal agencies to identify and release every record that they have connected to UFOs and UAPs and any type of extraterrestrial non-human intelligence encounter. And the first tranche has 162 declassified files. It's like 120 PDFs and like almost 30 videos and 14 pictures. And then a bunch of records from FBI and NASA and the State Department and Department of Defense and all that stuff. Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth said that the goal was maximum transparency. And then the director of National Intelligence, Tulsi Gabbard, described it as the start of a multi-agency declassification program. Now, the administration says that additional releases will continue dropping

like every 30 days, with the next one scheduled for June 7th of 2026. Now, most of the release material here was honestly kind of underwhelming. There's like a 1952 telegram from DePont employees in South Carolina who say they saw a blue light with an orange fringe that's shaped like a saucer. And then a 1947 Pan Am flight crew that watched this gold cylinder pace their plane between Newfoundland and LaGuardia. And then you have like some NASA moon imagery with like some unexplained lights. And we did a whole episode on it if you want to check that out. But nothing about it really stuck out like, oh, this is what we've all been waiting for.

This is disclosure. This is the stuff that's going to set the internet on fire. But one document did stand out. And it stood out because it described almost exactly what the Vril Society and their whole mythology had been talking about for 60 years. The document is an FBI interview with a man named Paul Payerl. And Payerl told the bureau that during a 1944 operation, basically, he worked in the Black Forest region of Austria, and that he was actually working on a top secret German aircraft project. And he described the craft as kind of saucer shaped, roughly 21 feet in diameter. He said it was radio controlled. It had multiple engines mounted on this outer ring that rotated around this central stationary dome. And Payerl said that he said that he, he said that he,

He was responsible for kind of taking photos of the object during test flights and claimed that he had personally taken a photograph of it at 7,000 meters. That's 20,000 feet and that he actually kept the original negative. He also claimed that he had photographed the craft sitting inside a hanger, quote, at the risk of my life. And both images were supposedly attached to the FBI document, but those images were not a part of the release. He attributed the design of the craft to a German engineer that he only described as

Kour. Now, Peirel said that Coor had tried to dodge the German military draft and then was caught by the Gestapo and then was forced into the project and then kind of just disappeared at the end of the war. Now, Peirle assumed that Cure was taken into Allied custody, but his fate or his identity has never been confirmed by either side. The FBI says right in the middle of this document that it contains neither recommendations nor conclusions. So the FBI doesn't endorse it and say that it's true. They also don't disprove it and say that it's fake. And there's no real follow-up, at least not in anything that's been released so far. So what does that actually prove?

Well, on its own, nothing. It's a single post-war interview with one informant with no independent verification. And there are thousands of these kinds of tips that were floating around between, you know, 1947, the early 1950s, which is the same time that Kenneth Arnold started the modern UFO craze and actually coined the term flying saucer. And at the same period, the FBI was overwhelmed with Nazi-related leads as, Operation Paperclip was actually relocating all these German scientists. And here's why it matters in the big picture. For the first time, the federal government has officially released on a federal

website a document that describes a Nazi disc-shaped aircraft that had rotating jet propulsion that was built during World War II. Now, this doesn't confirm the DiGlaca, it doesn't confirm Maria Orsick or the Vrille Society or, you know, the people from that far off planet Aldebaran. but it does confirm that someone told the FBI the story and that the FBI kept it in a file for nearly 80 years and never threw it out. Now, before we button this all up, let's just kind of zoom out. The Tool Society was real. There are documents and member lists and building records and dates and a paper trail going from Zabetendorf's Lodge to the German Workers Party eventually into the Nazi Party. And that part isn't really conspiracy.

That's just kind of documented history. Now, the real society and the form that gets repeated online is almost, almost certainly just fiction from a book. But there was a small Berlin Circle that actually took Buller-Lighton's novel very seriously. And everything beyond that, the inner circle, the female mediums, Maria Orsic, the blueprints, the flying saucers,

that comes from a French book that's published in the 1960s that openly admitted that it was kind of mixing research with science fiction speculation. Maria Orsick almost certainly never existed, or at least not in the way she was described. But the Nazi Wonder Weapons Program, that was real.

And the V2 and the Me 262, those are the actual technology pieces that were being developed there. Not a flying saucer powered by, you know, some Sumerian-Aldebaran telepathy machine. But this new FBI document, that part is legit. In May 8th, 2026, that release date is authentic. And the question that the document raises is one that the UFO community, the conspiracy community, they've been asking for 60 years, why does the U.S. government keep saving these files instead of just throwing them away or releasing them. And the simple answer is basically just the FBI keeps everything. And the release portal isn't the same thing as confirmation. Just because it's in there doesn't mean the

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Let's get back to the show. Now, what's clear is that you have this occult lodge in Munich that sets in motion something that no one really could fully understand at the time. And the political part of it almost certainly ends in 1945. But the mythology around it, well, that continues until, this very day. And as of just a few weeks ago, a small piece of it sits on a federal government website waiting for someone to decide what it all actually means. And that, my friends, is a brief history of the Tool Society, the Vrille Society, and the great Nazi UFO conspiracy.

I mean, an interesting tale, certainly, right? I mean, my assumption with this kind of stuff is, like, yeah, the Nazis were making crazy weapons. They were literally throwing everything at it. All the smartest scientists in all of Germany and all of the occupied states were forced to go build the craziest high-impact stuff they could make. And they were just trying to make all the craziest stuff that they could. And as a result, you get the V2 rocket. You get all sorts of other tech that the United States eventually co-ops in Operation Paperclip. But as far as like, you know, an anti-gravity machine that was inspired by aliens, I'm going to say probably not. As much as I want that to be true, I mean, how sick would that be if the aliens were like,

yeah, we're going to team up with someone, who should it be? And they were like, I think we're going to team up with the Nazis. I mean, how do they fumble that? The alien was supposed to be smarter than us. Why are they going to partner with the side that loses? You know what I mean? They got to be a little bit more shrewd than that. Maybe I bet you it was the Japanese that pulled them in.

The Japanese, I feel like have a direct line to the cosmos, and they could be like, hey, join up with us. I know the Nazis are on some crazy stuff, but just link with the Japanese and we'll take care of you. And then it was just, you know, the whole thing was bungled, right? I don't know who the aliens, like PR guys is that actually pulls them into these deals, but I don't think it was the right move. If I'm representing the aliens, I think that they picked the wrong side.

But I don't know. What do you think? You think it's a UFO from the Nazis? No, probably not. That was so much information to take in. And it kind of went every which way. Oh, yeah. I was with you in the beginning

with the Tool Society, post-World War I. Say you're not a Jew. Yeah. Easy to follow. And then that went in ways I had no idea it could. Yeah, oh, yeah. Oh, there's all sorts of stuff here. I mean, this is a theory that I've heard for like 15 years,

watching old Discovery Channel. From Discovery Channel, History Channel, and my mom. There you go. What do you think, Chris? You think it's a UFO? I think the Nazis had a lot of information. We know about Operation Paperclip. True.

You know about the Nazi doctor scientist that we brought aboard? Mm-hmm. Foreign of Von Braun, that guy, the engineer you mean? Yep. Yep. But I don't think it's UFO, unfortunately. But it is an interesting idea. I mean, I think they were probably making

trying to make like as discreet and futuristic weapons as they possibly could. If nothing else just to terrify the Americans. Isn't possible that they were making this stuff and then taking pictures of it and leaking it to the U.S. being like,

yeah, look what we got. I mean, we know that the Nazis were using like Nostradamus. Have you heard this story? Yeah, I was in for that. They were like leaking Nostradamus pamphlets to their own people to be like, hey, this great, you know, profit said

that we're going to win. What do you mean? The Nostradamus guy. No, but the fact that they used him to try to propagate this idea that the Nazis were destined to win. That part was real. And the fact that they're using sort of like this ancient mythology

or kind of like these occult sort of prophets in order to manipulate their people, it's not crazy to me that they would try to build a UFO and then leak that to the Americans be like, look what we're cooking on, dude. You guys can't touch us. When meanwhile, it was just like an aluminum disc with like, you know, a plane engine in there.

They should have been using all their resources to build the nuke rather than... Right? Yeah. Like, that's the actual UFO. You drop a nuke. all of a sudden's like, oh, this is a game changer. Yeah.

So they kind of fumbled that one. If you have a UFO, you don't need a nuke. Good-ass point. Especially if you have a time machine, you don't need any of it. You know what I mean? Just fast forward. You got to land in Kexburg, Pennsylvania. I mean, if you're a Nazi scientist and you have to teleport,

I don't think I'm going to Kexburg in the 80s or the 60s or whatever. Where are you going in the 80s or in the 60s? In the 60s, I'm going to hate Ashbury. I'm going to California. Yeah, I'm going to fucking Miami. Miami in the 60s? That'd be fun. But, dude, imagine you get to roll with the hippies out in,

California for a while. They don't shower. They're disgusting. It would be fun. If you're a Nazi, you're like, hey, you know what, I'm going to put this life of crime behind me, all these war crimes and genocides. I'm just going to do some drugs and chill. That's what I would do. They were doing drugs. Yeah, that's a good point. Happier drugs. Yeah. I'm going to Charles Manson's house. Oh, come on. Why do you have to make it all dark? Can you know. The women there were beautiful. I see his vision. Yeah, I see what you're up. Thank you, David. But yeah, it's an interesting story. I don't know. I mean, also like the coal mine thing and they're like, oh, this is the plant that they use. I'm like, I don't think so. But were they trying to build crazy future tech? And was Heinrich Himmler genuinely interested in

the occult? Absolutely. That part is true. Yeah. Heinrich Kimler was, he was like, dude, we're going to find Thor's hammer. We're going to find all sorts of stuff. He was like out here trying to like find all of this because he was like, there is some power in it. But apparently Hitler was super annoyed by that by the end of the war. Cut to the shit. Yeah, literally Hitler was in there being like, what is this doing for us? What are we actually building? We need to win the war. We're getting absolutely murked out here. Can we get an actual thing? And he's like, just look at the stars. 99, 99. I was like, dude, pull it together, bro.

Which is kind of funny. That would be a great little series I would watch. I have one question. Yeah. So the Tool Society, one of the rules was like, you have to prove that you don't have any Jewish blood. And then independently, Hitler was like, we wanted to do an Aryan race thing. All these ideals were like swirling at the time. So you have like aerosophy, which is like a very popular thing.

It was by this guy, Franz Lons, I believe it was his name. Okay. If you could just double check his name. Lebenthels Franz von Liebenfeld yeah exactly and he's like one of these like early ariosophist that basically ties in like white supremacy with occultism which is like hey whites are the master race and we actually come from this underground Nordic society that's actually like near the northern tip kind of like what he was talking about yeah he was talking about like these you know far off lands where the virilli are and he's like that's how it all kind of like

makes sense where it's like we're going to then build a history force that's going to go around and discover the history that were the actual Aryans. So this was like just the underground philosophy at the time. Adolf Joseph Lanz, also known as Lanz von Liebenfeld. He was an Austrian political and racial theorist and a cultist and the pioneer of Aerosophy. And so he has this magazine Ostarra, which he's also Adolf. Yeah, fun. But he had this magazine called Astara, which Hitler was like reading as like a teen. Okay. And so it just kind of all brings. to like this hodgepodge of like master race, who do we blame all the minorities,

including Jews and Slavs and gypsies and gays and Catholics. And everyone that's- Catholics? Yeah, they were killing Catholics 100%. We're white. That's what I thought. Also, Jews are considered white now, which is funny. Yeah, it's hilarious.

Yeah. They would be like, hold on, let's recount this. But also we got Italians in the white coalition, we got Irish. Yeah, it's funny. I mean, this is just way off topic, and you can cut this if you want, but like we were racist back then to other white people.

Like when Italians and Irish people came to New York, yeah, yeah, we're like, these fucking nits, da, et, yeah, yeah. And then as it gets, like, you're whiter in comparison. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Sicilians are still on the edge for me. Yeah. Yeah, it's just a, it's interesting.

It doesn't really make any sense. Like, that's why the occult thing was the first thing. I was like, oh, I get how they backed into this Aryan thing. Yeah. Where they were like, the Japanese aren't visually Aryan, but they're Aryan and spirit. Okay. You know what I mean? But they're whiter compared to the indigenous Japanese people.

It's not even whiteness in the way that we look at whiteness. It's like Aryanness. Like, do you have the genetic essence of a supreme being in you? Which happens to be blonde hair, blue eyes. You know what I mean? So I watched like 20 minutes the interview you did with the guy who kind of explains what actually, what Aryan actually means. And but it, I forgot. It makes really no sense.

Okay. Because if you look at like the Aryan people, they're like Indo Persian. You know what I mean? Like that's where like the Aryan like people actually are. Yeah. And they're not like blonde hair, blue eyes. So the whole thing doesn't, you need like the occult element to make it make any sense at all because it doesn't really make sense. Yeah.

I remember learning this in school about like the Aryan race, blonde hair blue eyes. And I'm like. Hitler had brown hair. But as again, it's like the essence of like being of the master people. It's a vibe. It's a vibe. Okay. It's basically whatever Hitler wanted in order to justify taking over the entire country and the world.

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