Camp Gagnon - Waka Flocka Flame On Going to Cartel Parties, Who REALLY Built The Pyramids, & Getting Out The Hood

Episode Date: December 21, 2023

whats good people, we got Waka Flocka Flame, a pioneer in the the trap scene, in the tent today. We talk about the craziest private gig he ever did with a cartel family, who built the pyramids and the craziest conspiracies he's ever heard in the industry, and how he got out of the hood and got into investing. WELCOME TO CAMP

The only person bullied me in my whole entire life was a girl. Wait, really? Br, she was serious business. Excuse my language. That bitch had me scared. Imagine she pulls up to a show. She's getting a fucking beat. One of the best things happened to me in my life was getting shot.

Why is that? It just made me realize, like, the old walker died. I think the horrible shit was highlights for me. All the happy stuff, it just became miracles. I just tell them all, like, look, my, keep the front end because I'm blowing the back. I got to live. I didn't get confidence in myself until I turned, like, 30. 30?

I swear to God. Everybody was like, yo, he's so successful. I'm like, brother, I'm succeeding. It's a big difference in my world. I really grew up having real life shootouts. If you ain't robbing, you're starving or they robbing you. I couldn't call police. Police, it wasn't stopping crime.

They was coming to solve the ending. I had to survive. I was in a jungle. Like, bro, you bumping, he is shot. I never ever did shit and not think of my mother, period. People are like, how could you say that you was outside shooting? I'm like, brother, I was trying to go back home to my mother. Like, I lost my two little brothers.

That shit is tough. But that's life, though, man. That's the life I chose to live. I got an ultimate get out of jail, Frank. You don't know what are we talking? That's my first time I didn't even saying. I just thought about that right now. I wanted peaceful people around me, peace with friends around me.

Like, I never did it for like Walker. I'm not like a self-sitting person. I'm one of the people that's kind of hard to pray. Because if I got faith in God and I believe in God, what am I praying for me for? I should be praying for you. So it's just different. Like, you know what I'm saying? It's a contradiction.

Like, sometimes it's hard to cry because I know God got me. just a different vibe. Like, I'm one of people that is intensively into the world. Like, I'm not, like, I love every religion, literally. Like, some people are like, how do you do? People are like, you got religion? I'm like, no, like, you're atheists. I'm like, how?

I love God. I like every religion. Every form of religion, to me, it's a joke. It's like a, it's like cracking jokes, a good matter. It feels good. Religion just feels good. Yeah. So how can anyone be wrong?

Yeah. So to me, I feel like they all be right, man. You feel like human beings are built to worship? If God say don't worship them, so what that mean? That's all I'm saying, bro. I'm just literally reading with the fine print, say. But if you have to worship to get on a ship to sell towards God, then, hey, that's what you need to do. Who am I to say that?

That's another thing. I don't take anybody's happiness away. I'm just like that, man. Do you pray a lot? Pray every day. I talk. To me, prayer is talking positive. That's prayer.

When people say good things. that's a good prayer. People say negative things on you that's damning you. That's cool. So I just look at it in a form of that because I'm trying to like, I just know, man, ego for me is dangerous. You know what I'm saying? As an artist and a rapper, it's just dangerous.

Like, and people are like, well, Walker, you kind of contradicting yourself. I'm like, how? I've never been out the bubble. I got out the bubble. Now I know like, okay, you are right. But a lot of people tell you what's wrong, but you got to get a solution. Like, give me a solution. King, I'm stuck.

Like, you keep just banging. me with a hammer. I'm stuck. I don't know. If you grew up a screw, how the fuck don't you know? All you know is twist, turn, bang. You don't know nothing else. And to people are like, hey, you actually can make your own screws this way. Are you familiar with Plato's Allegory of the Cave? You ever heard of this?

What is that? Plato is a Greek philosopher. He wrote this thing called the Allegory of the Cave. It's really interesting. You would like it, I think. But basically, he talks about this dude that's chained up in a cave for his whole life. And he sees these projections on the wall. It's a shadow of different things. It's a shadow of like a sword. It's a shadow of like a sheep.

And he looks at it and he's like, oh, that's what a sword is. And he thinks that the sword is the shadow. And then one day he gets let out and he goes outside and he sees a real sword. And he realizes that he's been living in this cave with an understanding of the world that was incomplete. And then he made it out and was like, oh, there's an actual world where the things are three-dimensional, that things are bigger than I thought they were. And the way he describes it is very poetic, very interesting. I'm not doing it justice.

Man, that's hard. But I just got the experience, man. Yeah. It's a difference. Like, I, and my imagination is everything. I was one of them kids that was on Reading Rainbow vibes. Oh, bro. I was a gangster nerd.

Like, I was one of them people that, like, I just can't, I don't know, man. I just can't complain about my situation. Like, it's just impossible to complain. Like, it's literally impossible because I'm in it. Yeah. Yeah, Reading Rainbow was fire. Yeah, Reading Rainbow was sick. Yeah, that shit was sick.

What are the books did you read when you were a kid? Goose bombs. Yo, what was your favorite Goosebones book? Do you remember? You remember the one with the puppet in the attic? Oh, tell you. I think I got it. See, I'll be knowing, bro.

I just don't like, it just, I got this thing where I just don't want to hold on to nothing. Like, I feel like my mind is like a computer. I think I think I got to find something that there's a smell or feeling that remind me of the moment. Then I can remember everything. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I'm triggering into that.

And it's just, man, life is just a contradiction, bro. I don't care how anybody put it. No matter what you think you are, tomorrow you're going to be different. Yeah. You're going to grow on it. I'm just a big grower. I like growing on stuff. So again, when I'm in a situation, I'm not complaining about it.

I'm in my mind seeing a better situation. So that's what I do. I let my mind lead me to paradise. I don't let people words do it. Sometimes people would talk. A lot of people like, I remember, I heard people like, oh, it's so easy to walk something here, believe it. I'm like, see, you're believing.

that. I'm actually like going to that shit because it's in my mind already. It's not actually talking the right thing. I can move on the idea like this because I trust myself. Some people is afraid to move like that. They're like, no, man, I got to figure it out. What the fuck are you figuring out? Like,

you got to do it. It's nothing to figure out. Because you never know what's in the experience. Like, I don't, man, I'm telling me, I don't know if I actually talk to God or it's like hallucination. Who knows? I'm telling you, man, I always, God always tell me, like, hey, Walker, do not push people. Because when you push people, you can push them off the edge. You can push them on the

ground. You can push them off a curve. Like, you got to just know how you're pushing people. And I had this thing. So I should live with this big dark cloud over me because I just want to save everybody. And in the end, all I got was to fuck you. Right? Because the things I won, I was saving people from that was actually, I was doing like a good lie to people. People are actually like, yo, Walker, like people close to me. Like, yo, let's go do the smile. I bet. We're about to do this. But the whole time I know it's danger over there But if I tell him this, it's like I'm hating and crushing his career So I alter it and do other things

But at the same time, empower them as a person But I kind of see like, all right Walker That can be wrong because I'm not God Why am I thinking like God? Because I think what's going to happen to him It's not going to happen to him So that's the stuff, me younger and old now Because the power's in the experience

And people got to experience stuff for themselves Even if you know better for someone Sometimes they got to know better And they got to go through it, even if it's hard, even if it's tough. Exactly. Because think about where you'd be if you didn't go through some of the hard things. You know what I mean? Shit, one of the best things happens to me in my life was getting shot.

Yeah. That was the best, I'm talking about that shit, it was one of the best things ever. And why is that? Because I realized I'm famous now. That shit made me, it just made me realize like the old walk of died. Like, yo, you got to jump in. It actually, that was the start of me moving and telling myself, but it actually made me even aggressive, too.

It actually hyphen my life. I think me getting my head rammed into a steel gate in third grade was a highlight of my life. What happened in third grade? Fucking fifth grade. He just jumped on my neck and rammed it into a gate, PS 118. Damn. Hell yeah. I think watching my brothers on the ground, I think the horrible shit was highlights for me.

Yeah. All the happy stuff, it just became miracles. Yeah, it's cool. It's just like, damn, it's so ugly and it's so good. Yeah, but the growth is from the hard stuff. I didn't put my feelings in neither one of them. Mm-hmm. So it's like, go back to your question, like, yo, the guy with your money in the hood.

I never ever, like, I watch people all day, like, today, like, this guy put money up and, like, I don't do that. I spend it. I don't do that. I'm not holding this shit. What the fuck am I holding this for? Never, ever. I just tell them all, like, look, ma, keep the front end because I'm blowing the back in. I'm blowing.

I got to live. Like, you're a, in my mind, I ain't telling my mother that's about you're a single woman. I'm a man. I have to find out what you missed in a house as a woman and I'm your son. I got to do that. I'm the kind of son that. Don't go get rich and buy my mother house. No, I go get smart rich and bring it back to my mother.

My mother is God to me. It's a difference. Like, how people, Christ to me is my mother and my dad. Like, that's Christ to me. So who to tell me I'm wrong? They bought me in this planet. Yeah. God I know my heart.

Like, I'm different, man. If I love God, I got to love Earth first because Earth is where I breathe. If without breathing, I have shit. I don't care about nothing else. The most important thing to me on Earth is, breathing. If you can't breathe, bro, fuck the sun, like, fuck everything.

Like, do you do, like, breath work and stuff? Like, you learned how... I meditate. Oh, really? Yeah, definitely. I don't do breathwork, because I got to graduate until that. But I practice Agony Ultra. Oh, really? Yeah. And how long have you been doing that for? Years. Years.

Really? Super years. And you felt it's been really, really helpful for you. I think it's a part of what was the bigger picture for me, of course. It's definitely spiritual, man. It harmonizes everything. the humans, the trees, the animals, the reservoir, it cleanses up pollution. It's just, it's fire as fuck.

It cleanses you out. It's literally fire. Yeah. Literally. And you do it every day? Every day. How long? Sun up, sundown.

So right now? Sun up, sundown. That's fine. I can do it all. I got all day fire, Union fire. It can do a lot of good shit, but a lot of good things. But I think it's actually for people that actually, like, it's not religion. It's not magic.

It's not who do. It's none of this. It's just a act from man to the union. And how'd you learn it? It came to me. It came to you. Yeah. It's coming to you in conversation.

It came to me. Did someone put you on or was it like? Oh, man. That's God, bro. I'm telling you, man, nobody go get credit for meditation but you because you're doing it. Yeah. It's no such thing. Meditation is like, I learned from the yogi's egg.

I learned from them. They're like, walk, this is not about us. This is about you. But you didn't think it was whack, though. Like, I'm sure, you know, maybe if you were young. I was, you know what it was. I was just at a point in life I was like, I was just done.

I was like, if I got to live, keep living this way, I'm going to disappear. How did you feel at that point? Like, good, happy. I felt happily lost. Like, you know how you're so happy you lost? You're like, oh. No direction.

There's no direction. Like, everybody happy for the shit. I've been doing for a decade. Yeah, yeah. Over this shit. Yeah, what next? I want to help y'all. Like, people, like, I'm, it's sick

because people actually made me realize I'm not a monster. I'm not a creep. I'm not a nigger. I'm not this, I'm not this, I'm not none of this shit. Because I go around and I see people's hearts. So I'm, and I'm looking too. Like sometimes, man, because being one from, I'm not even supposed to talk like this.

It sounds pussy. You know what I'm saying? I wasn't supposed to be on TV married. I wasn't supposed to be like vulnerable and feelings like this because this is not gangster. But nah, bro, that ain't, I, I'm not about to not express myself. Did you always feel that way? Like, I'm always expressing. I'm emotionally, emotionally in touch?

Yeah, my mother's just like, why can you fucking talk too much? I always tell me. But even as a kid, though, like in the hood, you were like emotionally in touch. Like, man, I feel a lot of things, but I can't talk about it because I'll get, you know, bullied, whatever. Well, you ain't no bully me. The only person bullied me in my whole entire life was a girl. Wait, for you? Facts.

Hell yeah. Sixth grade, bro. Oh, shit. Well, that's when they're taller than you. Br, she was serious business. I'm so, I'm so fucking serious. She gave you just, what, one, two? Excuse my language.

That bitch had me scared. I was really scared of that bitch. Like, I'm talking about walking off the bus. afraid, brother. Like, she was just big as fuck. And I was like, man, I'm not getting beat up by her. I thought it just crushed my manhood. And so what did she do to you?

I ran the whole sixth grade year. And then we left. I moved to River, though. She made you move, bro. My mom's moved. I was happy as fuck, too. Yo, what happened to her? You ever, you ever see her?

Fuck, no. I don't care. Yo, imagine she pulls up to a show. She getting her head beat. Like, bitch, you remember that one? No, I probably wouldn't even notice, though. Yeah, it's probably the same height Same height back then

You know bullies, they never grow Yeah They just get big fast Yeah, exactly And they brain shrink as they get over Wait, why was she bullying You think she was into it? No, she asked to be my girlfriend

Oh And I copy my brother's friend That said, I'm gonna sleep on it So she goddamn hit me I'm asleep on She's like, tell me when you wake up Yeah, I'll put you to sleep Fucking swing him

Oh, no, I'm out But my brother warned me when I was in elementary school about. I heard him talking about on her butt. He's like, yo, he's got this girl. Yo, she did. And my brother Wu. I'd never forget that shit.

But that's just life, man. I just got, oh, man, I get powered of my grandmothers, too, man. Like, I'm up here seeing my grandmothers now. Wait, what do you mean? I love them. Like, my grandmothers is fire. I still got both my grandmothers. Really?

Yes, both from functioning, funny, cool. I got one grandma that's cool as cool as fuck functioning and funny. I got another grandma that instilled the word. Like, she prophetic. I'm talking my father's mother, my grandma, my grandma, when she talks, it travels. Like, I can hear her all every day. My mother's mother, Millie, she installs the physical. My father's mother installs the spiritual.

So I got spiritual and physical understanding from my grandmothers. Oh, that's crazy. My mother showed me structure and strength. My uncle showed me loyalty, love. and keep shit going and just be a hustler. My brother showed me moral support all day. My cousin, same all day. So I had it, like, even though I didn't have Ferraris or grow up with whatever,

however people act like they, when you pour, that you don't have them, but I was in the hood. But the love was unreal in my house. The hood didn't matter. So I cannot act like I didn't grow up with love. It's fake. It's just too fake. Your mom seems strong. She seems very focused.

She ain't got no muscles either. Mentally, though. She is solid. The way you've talked about it is very interesting, that she always held it down. My mother, like, she's my top best friend. Yeah. Do you go to her for advice a lot? Haven't you?

Still. Haven't you? Right now. Right now. Like right now. Yeah. And she's just keyed in. She's, she's never, it seems like she's never faltered.

Oh, she, I can pull up. my phone, she's sending like funny. I'm like, mom, what do you do on Instagram 3 something in the body? I face it off, she's just cracking up. I'm just like, damn, man, this is like... I mean, that's amazing. Yeah. And it's cool that now you have your children and

your kids got to be with your mom, who's amazing, their grandma, and their great-grandma, and that the whole family still gets to rock together and still learn from each other. Yeah, my family, man. My family is like, well, honestly, there's different.

Like we all together, but we not. Like everybody living their shit. But when it's just time to be family, it's up. Hey, family, we're here. You guys get together for holidays, Thanksgiving and stuff? Yeah, no, sometimes everybody go to New York. Everybody do this. So people just separate and go to everybody's houses.

It's cool, but my true family is my fans. These are my relatives. So I actually learned the difference between family and relatives. Relatives is the people I have blood ties to, people that I'm. born with. The first people that show me love, hate, trust, conniving backs, to everything. That's your relative. They're teaching what the world's about to prepare. They prepare you for what's in the world. Family to me is the people that I built love, trust, bond, care, emotional attachments with. That's my family. And a lot of people, for me, was my fans. Like, they don't even

understand it. Like, at the most rockiest moments, bro, like, I could have just fell. But fans were and they held you down. I got to thank you, as a matter of fact, the very first time that I ever touched a woman's butt ever in my life, bro. I think I was like 13, 14, beginning of high school and the middle school, no hands. Holy fuck. Yep. At Catillion in Winter Park, Florida. It came on.

Some girl backed it up on me. That's because of you. Damn. Change my life. Change my life, bro. That's you. I was low-key like a sucker with girls. I was really scared to be like a boyfriend.

Oh, really? Yeah, because I know I ain't have my shit together. Like, as a young kid? Oh, for sure, as a young kid. I wasn't thinking about a girlfriend. The girls make you nervous? I just ain't have my shit together. I mean, who has their shit together in middle school, bro?

I didn't know what I wanted to do. I was in the streets. Like, I was just different. I was like, wow, I see people in love, like writing love letters. I'm like, damn, I wish I could do that. You didn't even have, like, side pieces or nothing? Yeah, girl, but I just couldn't keep up with him. Who was your first girlfriend?

You remember? Yeah, Puerto Rican girl out of Queens. Her name was Christina. Oh, really? Yeah, that was my first real girlfriend. And you remember it? Yes, she's actually with me when I got my head slammed into a stale gate. And she did nothing?

She cried. What could she do? It's a big-ass fifth grade. I was talking about all this boss and B. He fucking jumped on my back. She got to pull through her, bro. She got to do something. Get a Gatorade bottle, throw it.

She was dead, bro. I was like, a lot. She was dead. That's crazy. And you guys were just like, you know, kid love type thing. Yeah, kiddie. First kiss, though. Yeah.

Oh, hell yeah. And then after that, though, that's when he moved to Atlanta. Yeah, I moved to Atlanta second semester of February. Mm-hmm. I get to Atlanta, had Woolway on. What was that? Like, Wu-Tang had clothes called Wu-Wing. Had that shit on, jean jacket, hoodie, Timberlands.

I passed out. My nose was bleeding. It was so hot. I came. My mother used to live on Delo Drive. And this is back when I was on Cammer the Road, when I used to see, like, it was like a parade of twerkers. I was like, what the fuck?

It was like, yo, this freaknik. They were selling T-shirts with shit. I'm like, yo, what the fuck is this? This is a whole different world. Never seen that. Never, bro. And then my brother's like, yo, we go in the club today. I'm like the club.

We are kids. For I get to the club, it's fucking ticking and booty shaking and skates. I'm like, what the? Fuck. It's like crews of people jumping up and down, claiming crews. And like, probably she was like a fucking movie.

Like, my whole, I promised to God. Like, my, every day I never in my life not had excitement. It's crazily, it's weird as fuck.

Even in New York, I was going to madhouse parties, chilling. Like, I just, I always looked at the positive end because everybody around me is diving in a deep dirty end.

So I'm just like, fuck it. I got to go this way. Yeah. But I ain't saying like, I was like, I was on gangster timing, but I love nerd shit.

What do you mean? My first $10,000 was off Pokemon cards. No way. My first $1,000 was on Pokemon cards. Pokemon cars? What made Pokemon cards? Selling blastoys, Venus, dinosaurs, all kind of shit. What was your best car, be honest?

My favorite, favorite car ever? Honestly, it got to be like a, it probably got to be like a Charmanda, Charmillion, Chargons. That's like the ultimate three combo with the squirrel. I'm a real. I like the Venusauru and Charming. Yeah, the OGs. Pikachu-type shit.

Pikachu, cool. That's for the girls. And this is from the street money? This is from the music. This is literally like cards. Like, I'm selling Pokemon. But I'm saying this is the money you got from the streets or from me? No.

I've got this off-selling Pokemon cards. Hey, Ma, can I get money? When you were a little kid. Yes, bro. I actually came to New York. That was your first hustle. Chinatown, man. Chinatown fake Pokemon cards.

Oh, you were getting the first. fakes off canal or something. Yo, that's so funny. Nobody in Georgia had that. Oh, so you brought the New York Hustle down to Georgia? You got to know that I was selling throwback jerseys, all kind of shit. The Pikachu's spelled wrong? You're like,

alright, don't look at that. Don't look at the picture. Even when I worked at Burger King, I respected it different. I actually had more money working at Burger King than I did with selling like Knicks and Domes because it was more consistent. Yeah, every day clock in. I got a taste of like, I never like doved into anything. I never in my life.

I always was just trying shit. How old were you when you're working at Burger King? I was late teens. Yeah. But did you like the job? I was a Mr. Burger Man. Yeah. You smashed any of the girls in the kitchen?

I was working at Burger King with Tender Chris's first drop. Really? And this is in Atlanta? Yep. Old National. Wow. Hell yeah. What was the worst day on the job of Burger King?

That was not. You liked it? Bro, I promise you, man. That's my rain. Yeah, bro. I'm really appreciative, bro. I'm not the kind of person that over that do not accept gifts. Like, I'm just not like that.

It's just, bro, because I just miss a lot of shit I love. So I always told me I'm going to take love with everything. It took a lot to get here and grow to it to actually trust and be vulnerable enough to. But vulnerability is where you see who's human. That's like, that's like the moments of like, okay, this guy, I fuck with him, man. Like, he opened up. You know what I'm saying? Like, it's hard because people don't open up.

Yeah. Because people don't have time. to open up. People don't know why they opening it up to you. What are you using it for? Yeah. If you got hurt before from opening up to someone, it's going to be a lot harder to do it again. Pause, but I'm going to open up water. Right? Because I don't give a fuck. Because at the end

of the day, I don't mean no malice. So no matter what picture you paint, I'm going to put a canvas in that motherfucker and somebody at Christie's auction is going to buy it. That's how I think. That's fire. That's exactly how I think. All day, every day, it don't matter. And even if people will come in and be like, oh, walking,

you're soft. You're talking about your feelings. You're enough too much. I'm soft. Come, come lay on the pillow. I bet you get comfortable. I'm talking about to just throw words back at it.

You gotta be like that, bro. Like, it's no, like, I don't know, bro. You know, I grew up at the,

like the John Stone, the medieval time, shit. So I just look at words like, bah, blah, battle on you. Yeah.

Wait, you would go to medieval times? Fuck yeah. Bro, I just went for the first time like two weeks ago. That's my shit. That shit was on my door.

That shit was fire, bro. Yeah, I like, I just look at words To me, I could actually not, like mentally, I could turn words into people. Yeah. Like, you visualize it that way?

I promise to you. I can actually see it right now. I'm dead assy. And I trained myself to do it because I couldn't have anybody talk to you. Like, the shit I was experiencing nobody around me actually knew it. Think about this. Like, when I grew up, there was no professionals. There was no real estate agents.

There was no real contractors. There was no. investment brokers. There's none of this shit. The old thing it was was basketball players and rappers and drug dealers. Yeah. You got three choices. Just being a hundred.

I'll go to school and become something that your imagination take you. Yeah. And so you tried the basketball route for a little bit. I was just selfish and lazy. When you were playing ball? Facts. Do you regret that at all?

If you could just talk to like 18-year-old walk? I'll be like, no regrets. You can't even pay me to be 18 again. I don't give a fuck how much money you put on the table. You wouldn't want to be 18. What? A kid? With the wisdom you have now, though. Nope.

Really? Because you ain't going to get the respect. Who? Difference. Yeah. Man, I love being 37. I love it. Do you think he'll love being 38 more?

Fuck yeah. I don't want to talk to no nothing. No young ass girl, nothing. I don't even play with kids. There's nothing to talk about. Like, y'all, good luck, you know, fuck. Get to the third quarter. I passed the first half.

Well, this is because you got cool grandmas. Yeah. Your grandma's like, you're like, oh, being old is dope. Like, there's nothing to be afraid of. I'm not afraid of growing up. Like, that's why I would, like, I see guys getting, like, Botox and stuff now. Have you seen that? Trying to look younger?

Yeah, that's disgusting. Yeah, I'm like, no, I'll just, I'll let it rock. Whatever my face does, I'm cool with it. And then, the overall picture to it is, I'm disrespecting God. Yeah, God made you. He wants you to age. This is his plan. You're going to fight it?

Honestly, I don't know no plan. I just know God made me like this and why should I change it? On account of... There's nothing that... For me, it's not what I'm talking about for other people. For me, I don't see me looking younger, cooler, wiser, anything can be better than how I already look. Yeah. I can't just imagine, like, oh, going to change my nose today.

Like, I just... Like, why? Yeah. Smells good to me. I don't give a fuck. I'm just being 100. I mean, it's the insecurity. I lose my hairline.

I'm about to go bald. Then, fuck it. Now, you got a good hairline. Yeah, for now. Nah, that's just solid, bro. Yeah, for now. You never know. You know what I was.

Wake up, five drinks fall out. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But were you ever insecure, like when you were a kid? 100%. What kind of things would make you insecure you think? I didn't get confidence in myself until I turned like 30. 30? Yeah.

Bro. I swear I got. I never thought I looked good. I had intelligence, nothing. Really? I swear to God. You drop Flakevelli? No confidence.

I was raging. I wanted to, it's like, if you see me in Flakevelli, it was like me putting a rocket over me and and whenever a fucking rocket blow up, I'm going to learn how to float. Wow. And that's what I did. I learned how to float.

Everybody was like, yo, he's so successful. I'm like, brother, I'm succeeded. Like, it's a big difference in my world. Succeeding in success. I really grew up having real-life shootouts every day. Yeah. In real life, bro. It's not a game.

I really grew up, really fight your motherfuckers. I really grew up, if you ain't robbing, you're starving or they're robbing you. I just couldn't call police. Police, in my, it wasn't stopping crime. They was coming to solve the ending. So with that being said, it was not no disrespect to them. I had to survive. I was in a jungle.

It's not like people. I have animal instinct people. Like, bro, you bump a nigga, you can get shot. Yeah. You look at someone the wrong way. You get cut in the face. Like anything. So it's just like, when you know this shit, you don't adapt to it.

You respect it. A lot of people want to be the king of the jungle, but a fucking lion live in a safari. A lion get ate in the jungle every day. And you see it every day on television. People that play kings, they die in jungles every day. What do you think of these white kids from the suburbs that want to do like a street lifestyle? Because they're in the streets. Their parents ain't teaching them shit.

it ain't them kids it ain't the rap it's their parents I'm a parent I know it's nothing to talk about everybody like blaming everything but they own fucking parenting skills yeah cut it out

cut it out if you don't like what your kid doing you fucked up as a parent right and they like to blame they like to blame music admit it when you omitted it it feel better

it sounds better and you actually can have a solution to fix the problem yeah that's all and so what do you think the problem is these parents are not telling their kids like again i'm not god i don't know i just know my problems yeah see three things i'm not fucking with man it's religion politics and uh relationships i i'm never telling nobody about

those three in their life because who am i i'm not god yeah yeah now your children i assume live a very different life than you lived when you were a kid yeah my daughter she definitely do but she got a different scenario on her life so i i guess it's just different but we're in a different Errodot, bro. Yeah. We got internet now. This is different. For my daughter, all the things my job was to do is to install class and have a strong

mind. Yeah. Everything she'd do would be wonderful after that. I raised her. I trust her. Yeah. If she want to dive in things that I don't agree with, who am I to stop her? But I'm her father.

I'm with her every day. I'm damn sure I'm trying to stop her. But you know what I'm saying? But that's her life. Yeah. Like my mother trying to stop a lot of things with me and I damn sure ain't listened. Right. But look at the outcome.

I just loved my mother, though. I never ever did shit not think of my mother in my life of living. Like literally to this day, I never in my life doing anything without thinking about my mother. Period.

People are like, how could you say that? You was outside shooting guns. You were doing this? I'm like, brother, I was trying to go back home to my mother. Like, I could go back to my brothers. Like, I lost my two little brothers. Like, that shit is tough.

You know what I'm saying? The two guys have made you feel like a superhero. It's just different. So even when you were doing the street, you're still thinking about your moms. Fuck, yeah, because I was trying to get my mother out of it. You think my mother, my mother's job was to do, she do a lot of humane work, right?

And no matter how anybody can say anything, I actually seen how people treated my mother. It's a difference. I could have actually put anger towards it, you know what I'm saying? I could actually like have revenge on a lot of artists, a lot of famous people that did a lot of, A lot of just evil shit to my mother. Disrespectful.

And my mother never retaliated with evil. It's always walk a fuck to him. I'm just like, what the fuck? Like, this ain't how you raised me, but all right. Like, you know what I'm saying? My mother actually showed me, you know, you can actually beat negativity with positivity. She actually showed me that shit. Was she religious?

Nah. Really? No. That's interesting. She's just a good person. Her religion was to be a good person. Yeah. It was not about to.

sit and yell in the church and none of that shit. It was not to scream black power or fuck white people or fuck this or fuck. My mother's nothing like that. She automatically see you for you. You cannot come to her flex in front. She don't, you could be a three-legged, purple and green alien.

If you come to our house respectful and just a good person, my motherfuckering with you. I love it. That's just how she raised us. Literally. That's so cool. That's a great perspective, though.

You can't really control what other people do. And that a lot of people, specifically men, they view, you know, letting things go as being passive and being weak. And really, that's sometimes the strongest thing you can do. That's actually, yo, it's actually the art of letting go and the power of no. Yeah. It's way harder to do that, though.

I think it's easier to get revenge. I think it's easier to get back. And it's harder, I think. I think it's easier for your ego. If someone does something wrong to you, I think it's easier for you to be like, I'm going to go get it back. Then it is to be like, you know what? Fuck them.

The way your mom did. But you actually just answered it. It's actually not easy for you. You just told me what was easy for what? Your ego. Right. Is that you? It's part of you.

But is it you? I mean, now it's philosophical. What is you? Ah. Yeah. The ego's in there, though. And dig on the shadow work right there. Yeah.

So as you get that, the challenges, now you on you. Mm-hmm. Do you feel like music was a, like, a calling for you when you were young? I feel like music for me was a devil's gift, but God's present. What do you mean? It was a present from God, but I took it like it was a devil's gift in the beginning. And I never, oh, I'd never seen, like, I never, well, I can't say I never. because I actually

I actually know the moment like when I was like all right fuck that I'm gonna just go all in when I wanted to think like fuck I turn my hood up because when I actually dropped my first record it wasn't about no hood shit

it was about nothing it was actually by I fuck my money up and then I said nobody fucked with me by the way and this is a real fact not my family not my friends nobody believes in my music

and not one person really nobody the only people that really was just like with me is my brothers but nobody else was not fucking with me at all and probably I say Chaz and Dunk. Chaz Dunk with my brothers

and my mother's always will be my brother's. But nobody was fucking with me. And then when I dropped my song and it started just making some noise, now people are like, oh man, like walk, he can't put the hood on, he got to do this,

and now you see the obligations. Now it took me away from what I was trying to do is get out the hood. Now I'm putting the hood on. So now you got hood instinct. I had to learn that at being grown. Like, where did it go wrong?

And that's when I started diving into that shit heavier. I was actually being more ghetto, more hood of, more this than I actually was as a person. Oh, interesting. But then when I got in there, I started thinking like, holy fuck. I know what I'm here for, bro. I'm here to show people another way. I was like, nah, that shit can't be true. And I was just living.

But the way I was, I guess the way I was moving, it was not normal. Like, I was doing the abnormal shit, like going into the world. worst of the worst of hoods, really getting like, like, like, pay a gun, nigga, yo, let's get some bricks, y'all, da-da-da-da. And I never did it. And I'm always the person that'd be like, yo, what the fuck, though, like putting you in the hood? I say, if I was in your seat, and you come to me to buy guns and drugs,

I'm killing you. I'm trying to get out. You're keeping me in this bitch. Yeah. So I spoke logic into people. Every time, every time the devil presented itself, I hit him with God's logic, crushing every time from Cali to Atlanta to Chicago,

anywhere you could think about. Everywhere in the world. Brussels. Like, it's gangster shit everywhere on earth. Literally. I was in fucking Vancouver is gangster shit.

Like, it's everywhere. But I was the guy that hit him with Lodachia because they never seen a guy from the hood to have fun. People cannot understand why the fuck is he drunk in this club.

People die here. But Matiasia's nigga, I'm not dead. I don't get a fuck. I'm out of the party. What are you talking about? You gangsters take a shot? I don't give a fuck,

bro. Come in. But I just got things where I don't, I just don't. I don't know, man. I just not thinking how you can think. It's interesting how you weren't resistant to it, though.

Like, I was saying before, like, a lot of people, if they find it about, like, an EDM festival, they would be like, nah, that's white people's shit. I remember being the only art, the rap artist in EDM shit, period. Like, festivals, the only person close to, like, being on that was, like, the old school rappers. Yeah. When I say old school, me, older than me, like the little Johns, the ludicrous. But on some, like, street shit, nobody.

And you didn't see it as, quote, unquote, white people's shit. No, fuck, no. I said, hell not. Because it wasn't just white people in there. Right. Just because the motherfucker got light skin and he white. Hell no, just because you, what the fuck is white? White only exists in America.

Yeah. Like, you go to these fast-and-moose people got there from nationality, their flags in the air. Yeah. Their culture, the heritage. They come in with culture and heritage. Like, yo, this is how we rock. Oh, this how we rock.

Oh, shit. We together. Yeah. It was more of that vibe. I never went there to see, like, oh, black people. The Bion and shit. The hood. It's more litter than EDM, respectfully.

Like, in a hood, niggas is sweating, pushing. Like, it's lit. But it's aggressively lit. You know what I'm saying? It's the same shit. Like, it's not no difference. Like, EDM reminds me of when I was a kid, growing up, you had Fat Man Scoop or Flex or anybody like doing blend tastes.

My uncle, like blending the music with this and dropping it different. It's the same. Yeah. It's the same. Yeah. Literally. They had R. They had ERM before it was hardcore rap.

Yeah, Funkmaster Flash, like all these guys. Like, blend music. The blend tapes, if people, kids today could go back in time and Google blend tapes. How DJs blended the music with different beats and archipelas, that shit was way litter. It was disco. It was disco break beats.

It was literally like pulling dance music. I don't know. I never knew music that deep. I was too busy trying to survive and listen to who was here. Did your parents play it in the house? Yeah, but my mother, man, I got my family's outside, man. They played the concrete, man. Yeah, always.

Well, yeah. Always. And then at what point, when you're coming up, are you like, yo, I got to level up. I got to get off the street shit. Like, do you remember the moment where you're like, I got to get out of this? I don't think I would never be off it. Really? Why would I?

I'm leaving them there. It's crazy because I'm like, wow, I'm successful. But I'm actually around kids that will actually take my life if I fuck them over. They attempt to, excuse me. that's that's psychotic hanging around people that actually their risk their life on a on a basis of you disrespecting

and here go with me you disrespect me I'm just I'm literally gonna erase you all my life I don't have to touch you me not fucking with you is way worse than putting a bullet you yeah way worse today and you also don't expose yourself you can't go to jail from not fucking with something

yeah you know I mean like you lose your freedom anyways But that's a good mentality. I feel like you lived by that. I got an ultimate get out of jail for you called that. Oh, okay. Wait, what are we talking?

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Let's get back to the show. How high is this? How high does it go? As high as I think. the get out of jail free card Is this a connect Is this a connect you mean?

Yeah my connect with God My connection Mm Mm Tell me brought me With C jail At all Yeah

I can I get pulled over by cops I just Oh And the heat of shit I didn't pull over Three in the morning Country towns And still got respect

I cut all my life time I put my keys In my fucking ID On top of the window And cross my arms And roll every window down Yeah, I do the same thing. You know why?

Not because I'm black. Because I got enough respect for your job. I don't know what the fuck you deal with every day. You, or listen to dispatches of rape, killing, stealing, all this shit every day. So from my knowledge, you're just as gangsters. If not worse, than a guy on the streets, you actually need to get mental inviulations everyone. Because you think life is full of corruption because that's all you work in.

So I actually can sympathize with you, so let me help you out. Yep. Yeah. And I've always been like this. When police, when I was younger, police sit me down and get my idea, I'd give my social security number back then. They're like, damn. Like, you think I'm not hot at it.

So at least out of this group, I'm not your threat. And then how do cops treat you when you do that? Way different. Cool. Way different. Right? Like, oh, this guy got this. Yeah.

I really don't. Because if I'm guilty, I'm telling you. I don't have time to fucking play. I just don't. You got respect for everyone like that? If they show you respect. Even a nigga disrespect me, I got respect. Mm-hmm.

That's the best mantra. Life is, my dad used always says, life is 90% what happens, or 10% what happens, 90% how you react to it. And that if you can't control how you react to things, then you're not, you're not control of your life. Someone comes up to you in disrespects you, you have to fight them. You have to? Just because I call you a pussy on the subway, you have to, now we have to fight. If someone says that to me, I can move past it. You know what I mean?

Like, if you're going to push me and you're going to, you're going to push me and you're going to put me in a violent situation, then yeah, we have to fight. But anything that's just words, like, I'm not going to risk my life. You know, I don't know if you have a weapon. I don't know if you have a knife. I can control how I react. I don't need to just be completely at the will of how you treat me. You know what I mean?

Is that how you see things? It's right. Shit, spot on. Yeah. Or you can look at emotions like gods. What do you mean? Think about your emotions. Happy, sad, mad, glad, angry, terrified.

They're all can be gods. or worlds or theologies or religion, which one you go ride on. It's people I have that only live off anger. People that only live off the God of revenge, the God of love, the devil. And then when you get into it, it's duality. So it's good and the bad of it.

Like, who knows? But if you're a slave to only one of them, that's going to be a hard time. I think there needs to be a balance to a degree of every emotion. Even the bad ones. There is no bad ones, actually. Man, it's no... Anger, sadness.

I think they're all necessary. I get an experience. Do you feel like you were angry when you were a kid? Oh, for sure. Short fuse. For sure. And how did you get over that? Life.

Just experiencing things. Man, I'm 37. Can't be angry no more. I think the joke is on me. I'm growing. I actually have every power in my bone to be different. And I live in America. Nothing.

I hear people every day on the Internet. America is a terrible place America is this I'm like bro you are actually tripping because when you leave this motherfucker oh my goodness and God

it's not a game sure America has problems there's things we got to work on America have a lot of people that don't know they grew up in a playpen yeah this is pretty awesome though it's the best but you've had the pleasure of going around the world

like now I mean I know you're booked all the time, you know, just doing shows all over the world. I actually took way lower money going out of town that I did. And out of the country than I did in the country. What's the craziest gig that you ever did, like a private gig that someone booked you for out of the country? Do you remember? Yeah. Yeah.

They had some fucking drug kingpins party. Oh, really? Yeah, yeah. They didn't speak English. Which country? South America. Whoa. Yeah, we're dancing horses.

Wait, what? Yeah, yeah. Seriously. Dancing horses? So I know I'm not gangster, bro. I'm so serious, bro. I've seen the measures of gangsterism in life. That ain't mean.

Yeah, other people, other countries, it gets different. I'm like, you know, bro. It ain't me. Like, bruh, bruh. He ain't ready for that real life international gangster shit. What's the most brutal international gangster shit you've seen? Bikers. Bikers.

in different countries. Surprised me. What do you mean? What's the story? There ain't no story, but it's just bikers. I've seen gangster Indians. I've seen like a real Indian man spitting on a camera with cuffs on his wrist

on the news while I'm eating at a restaurant in a different country. Like, I'm like, whoa. Yeah. Yeah. I've seen real, like, tri-haid movie-looking guys. Like, I see, like, God just let me see shit to the 10th power

in my eyes. And I literally, I feel like I always had a choice to be like being where I wanted to be. Because I never attached myself to nothing. Nothing. You're never, you're never so boxed in by an identity, you can't be open to new experiences. Nah. What is the box, man? That's understanding life.

Yeah. I understand life. I love that. I love the box. That's a, my friend grew up in Jamaica, told me that's like a Rastafari. Rastafari There are a lot of Rastafarian ways, though. That's...

And I ain't know that. I'm starting to learn that. Really? Yeah. Like, that idea, like, don't speak in the negative. Like, understand. You overstand things. Because you're under...

You don't fall in love. You stand in love. Yeah, you stand in love. I think that... Like, there's no you. There's I and I or I or I. And so the way, like, somewhere else as far I speak,

is they'll say, you know, I and I, and that's me. Or the I, and then there's the I or I. So I and then I or I will go to the store. And that means we're going to go to the store. But there's no you. It's just one unity.

That's how they speak. Everything's positive. It's so cool. And you feel like you talk like that a lot. I ain't get the goal. I go to Jamaica, man. I want to go see the mountain people. I just want to tap.

That's the shit I like. Like, I love seeing people that can touch earth. Yeah. You ever kicking with like real tribal people? Yeah. Where at? Around. You get spooky, bro.

You got watchful. You tell you hang with. But they was nice people, bro. They lived off earth. Is that in the States? Yeah, in the States and out of the States. Oh, really? It's parts of America people don't even fuck with it.

And it's like real civilization there. And you get down with it? Yeah, for sure. Everything they're eating. Why not? It's a new experience. Not everything. But people just ill, bro.

I swear, bro. I was just what people knew how fucking fight they are. We're the coolest shit, bro. We are the coolest shit. What we're capable of? The consciousness? Human consciousness is insane. But people always say humans are dangerous.

Right. Because they only understand how cool they are. Yeah. They just don't. They just really don't. I just wish the world tap back into Earth. 100%. Bro, don't even get me started.

Don't even get me started. I honestly wish that. I wish you was more of that taught in school, an elementary school. Well, bro, this is the craziest things. I was talking to anthropologists, right? and she was telling me she's like, look, Homo sapiens, you and I. Anthropologists. This is some of the studies

like the history of humankind. So literally, her PhD is just a research and what are human beings mostly. And for, Homo sapiens, you and I, 100,000 years old, by some estimates. For 100,000 of those years, we were hunter-gatherers, we were living off the land. We were traveling, following different animals,

living in small tribes of like 150, nothing more than that. We would go around, we had elders, we would fight against other tribes, and that's how we existed for 95% of human existence. And then we do agriculture, and that changes all of society. And then we've basically grown out of that agrarian farming culture, which in her opinion is actually not that human. Humans mostly are tribal nomads. And only recently have we been actually farming and like, cultivating crops and like GMOs and changing the food that we're eating and shit like

that. She's like mostly it's just going out hunting shit, picking fruit off a tree. Yeah. See that, and that's a perspective from a one side of the one group of people. Mm-hmm. You got other people that only eat with the season. Yeah, exactly. Literally. So if it don't grow out of earth, they don't eat it. Bro, but all this. It's just a lot of perspectives, man. All that shit works together. Like, you ever heard this? They're like, uh, like honeybees. They go out. They get pollen from local plants. They create honey. If you eat honey from your local area, it actually gives you immunity against the allergies of the

pollen of that season. And if you're eating honey that's imported from a different town or a different country, you're not getting the benefits of the pollen of your local area. I said I want me a bee hive. Yes, bro. You would do that? Yes. Bees bring

good energy, bro. Yeah. And they have a vibration that's unbelievable. If you actually like studied the vibration like that's a fire-ass vibration. soothing as fuck. Yeah, and the way they work together? No, they're hard. They're fine. How do they know? You ever look at ants? Ants too.

Bruh. Brough. Br, ants? Yos, gangsters. They're gangsters. They're gangsters. They're the real life like generals. I'm in Costa Rica. We're sitting there. We see this giant ant pile. We're just chilling. Night is going down. The second the sun goes down. The second the sun goes down. Ants are up working. How do they know?

Damn. Literally, like as soon as the sun's gone, answer up, they start working, grabbing shit, yada, yada, yada. The sun goes up, they go back to sleep. It's crazy. That's fine. Bro, I knew a dude that was a beekeeper that had all these bees, and he makes, like, 50 grand a year just doing bees. And the way he, like, makes new queens and stuff, like, you know how it works.

Like, within a beehive, there's one queen, and she chills, and then only has babies all day, and everyone worships the queen. And if the queen gets lost, all the bees follow her, no matter where she goes. Have you ever seen this? There's videos of, like, a queen bee getting stuck in, like, someone's car and then there'll just be

thousands of bees around the car trying to get the queen. It's crazy. The way they organize is like a society and we're not even on that shit. We don't even know what they're doing. I think we're on that. I think everybody on that shit like it. Yeah. It's just more of a switch. Like the switch was on

another way. Yeah. Life mimics itself. What do you mean? I think all life mimic itself. It's a oneness. Look at trees. I love trees. trees jobs is to come together that's a tree's job yeah that's it number one job all trees come together

I guarantee you leave you leave a row it'll close right up trees come together it's crazy right but that but talking like this ain't gangster you know what I'm gonna be honest with you walking no one accused me of being gangster okay in my world yeah I know I that's the that's something I'm grateful for is I never had the pressure of having to be gangster I grew up in a cul-de-sac

I live in a suburb You could be You could be gay And people would be like Fire You know what I mean You know what I'm saying Like

This shit didn't matter So like I've I've been on it And then you just got exposed to it recently Which I'm very happy about You know what I mean I've been on this shit though Since young it

Like bro I love earth My favorite color is green Earth green Yeah I love Earth So when you used to see like You know You know it's a fire cartoon

That I fucked with It was like Earth, wind, fire, water. This is Avatar? No, it's a cartoon back in the day. Captain Planet. Oh, Captain Planet, yeah. A little green-up for it.

Yeah, he was some shit. Yeah, he was fire. He was on it. Captain Planet was fire. We might need to run that back. I always was on the Earth and the fire vibes, like, all day. Yeah. All day. Yo, you ever go camping?

Yeah, I don't know. I love to, bro. I can't live nowhere that it ain't the wilderness. Like, where you live right now? I live right now. My whole backyard is trees. Really? And you go out there?

Fuck yeah. You believe in grounding? You ever do that? Oh yeah, in the dirt, of course. Take your shoes off, put your feet in there? Of course. It's great, right? Oh, of course.

Bro, you're getting me fired up right now. Here's some shit that I didn't even realize, bro. I was talking to this guy, Sebastian Younger. He was on this podcast. He's an amazing author. He wrote this book called Tribe, which is basically, like, ways that we've abandoned, like, tribal living. So one of the things he talks about, I mean, he's got a bunch of shit.

That's great. He sleeps in one bedroom with this whole family. family. He's got little kids. They're like, you know, two and five or something like that. It's him and his wife and there's two kids. They all sleep on one giant bed on the ground. And his thinking is like, look, every mammal sleeps with their young. We're the only mammals in the West that don't sleep with their young. And parents are always annoyed that their kids wake up in the night. They cry. You got to walk into the room. You got to go into the crib. You got to try to sue them. He's like, yo, they're crying because they're not with you. Their body is co-regulating

with you. And if they're not with you, they're going to feel alone. They're going to feel danger. They're going to cry. And then you have to wake up. You got to go talk to them. If your baby sleeps near you in the room, in the bed, in a little side carrier thing, they're not going to cry because they know that they're connected to you. The chemicals.

Say again? The bodies, the chemicals. They're able to link up. So I'm looking at that. I'm like, should I sleep? If I have babies, should I sleep on the ground? But there's so many things that we lose. Man, you got to do what makes you feel good.

Fuck, then. Now, you've got to get to the tribal shit. I think that's what makes people feel good, low key Yeah, but it make you feel good Honestly man When you got these ideas Don't think for everybody Think for you if you want to change the world

You change you Yeah Because your change can touch The amount of people That's watching you That's a good point So you got a dip diamond And that's just my opinion

I think It's more so of you Yeah that's a good perspective actually Changing you To if you actually Want to help people You experience it first Yeah.

Take the liberty of doing that. Well, I'm going to let you know how it goes. Yeah, and when you do that, then you can be like, oh, shit, all right. Yeah. Now, since I did this, what do God want me to do with this? That's what I did. You ever do, like, sunlight in the morning? Have you heard of this?

Oh, sunbathing. Like waking up, and first thing in the morning you get sunlight for like 15, 20 minutes. Yeah, I heard that, but we put coconut oil on us. To absorb the sun better. Oh, really? Oh, yeah. That's fire. Wait, where do you put it?

All of your body? Oh, that's dope. Squirrel coconut. You pull toxins out your mouth? You ever do ice bass? No, I never did that. How are you going to be like, bro, I'm tribal? I'm eating.

I'm eating. I just never, that's some new era of shit. Jumping ice. You're like, nigga, please. You're like, bro, I'm with the tribal people. They ain't never stay jumping no damn ice. Some of them, Eskimos? What do you think they went in?

I ain't about Eskimos. Until I hang with some eskimos. But like you say, you jump in the ice because you're an eskimo because you're in an environment of a rope cold. I'm in Georgia. That shit then they got sunlight on Christmas. You ever do mushrooms? I tried to, yeah. What did you think?

My experience. Interesting? Yeah, it was pretty interesting. I went to hell. Really? For a bad trip and never did it again. Can you explain what happened? I went to hell.

So you take the mushrooms, where are you when you say? I'm not even going to lie, bro. I just know I don't belong to. It's crazy. Like, it actually was groundbreaking. Because some people will fight their way out. I just walked out. I was never in.

It was a mind thing. Really? It was like a spiritual confirmation. Like, Walker's in your head. Everything is in your head. So how many times are you done mushrooms? That was the last time. Did you see the devil when you went to help?

No, I never seen the devil How'd you know as hell? The voice, the atmosphere, the way the water looked, the way the people look, the way it felt. Well. What do you think the lesson was with that? You walk into hell or heaven as you speak. Hmm. I don't think you go anywhere.

You already did. And I learned that. You think it got shown to you for a reason? Yeah. And what was the reason? to learn that lesson. Yeah. Yeah.

I'm not real fun, bro, it is. Some shit. That is. It's really, yeah. Would you ever do ayahuasca? Nah, I don't need

nothing else. Nah, you're good on that. Yeah, I ain't fucking with that stuff. Yeah. Yeah, it's a little intense. I've never done ayahuasca,

but I look at it. I know who I am. Yeah. You're good. I know enough about myself where I don't need to reach no more. Yeah. I need to get in it.

Yeah. You got on ghosts? You believe in ghosts? To believe it's strong. It means nothing else. Is it possible? I feel everything is possible. I can't wait to see a ghost.

I'm not alive, bro. You never see them. Fuck, no. I'm chilling. We're kicking shit. Fuck, how gags are you trying to be? Bro, we fin and kick shit. I'm like, bro, how the fuck you do that?

Like, I know me. I'm dead ass. You start swinging? Bro, what? Ain't no spooky me, bro. I swear to God, bro. I'm really going to be on some shit like, hey, how the fuck did you just do that? Nah, you got to come back tomorrow.

Ghost shows up right now. But hey, how the fuck you do that? But for real? I'm dead-ass serious. Like, how did you do that? I want to know. Came through the wall floating? I want to know that.

I'm dead serious. Yo, you'd be a good ghost. If you were a ghost and you came back, where would you haunt, you'd think, if you were a ghost? That's interesting. I'd haunt jails. You'd hunt jails? Why jails?

Kyle, make sure you never come back. Wait, what? I'll make sure you never come back to this motherfucker. Oh, that's fire. This is... I know, for me, man, the prisons crushed my... Crush my community.

If anything ever did, anything, the prison did it. It crushed... It just did some damage to America as a whole. I mean, intentionally. Oh, it's bad. Yeah. Get some free labor? I don't know.

I just know it's... It's bad. But that's the... That's the whole thing, the 13th Amendment. If you go to prison, you're allowed to work for free. You don't have to pay them. And so the more people you get in prison, the more labor you get. And so these prisons are making, private prisons making tons of money, millions, maybe even billions of dollars for unpaid labor.

But then you got people out here by shit, I ain't telling them to commit that crime. He did it. So that's an argument. So that's why I don't die to you again. That's why I don't get into people with politics and persons. That's fair. That's fair. That's good perspective.

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Now let's get back to the show. Fuck yeah. I can't wait to see them, bro. Where are they at, though? They're getting in the water, as far as I fucking know. I'm going to be honest. I think they in, I think if anything, there's some shit in that water. Coming out of the water.

Oh, for sure. We only know, what, like 10% of the water? Water and mountains. What's going on with the mountains? That's how I feel, water and mountains. That's where the aliens are? Water in my own. Now, I can see that.

I can see that. So do you think they're even coming from out of the mountains? space? What's out of space? Out of your head? I'm talking like... But that's the only space I realize, I think of it is. The only space to me is in my head. It's space inside my head. So stars and shit?

Who knows what that is? If someone offered you to go to the moon, would you go? Negative. Really? You wouldn't even just want to see? My whole family would go, I go. Oh, that'd be crazy. I ain't going unless that. You bring the whole family? How many people are that?

Everybody. Bro, that's a big spaceship. Well, but I'm not going. That's my point. That's a big spaceship. It might have to be two or three spaces. Bro, the only way I go to the moon in space, if you tell me it was in that water.

What? How do they know what's in it? How the fuck you know what's on the moon? Because they went there, bro. That's what they told you, right? Yeah, maybe. Actually, I don't know. I don't know.

Low-key, the older I'm getting, bro, the more I'm like this. This shit seems crazy. It's got curiosity. I'll probably go to the moon if I was a great grandfather. Yeah, that's... Then I'd be like, I raised my kids. My kids, my grandkids.

You're 100? Yeah, let's go to the move. Go check it out. What a flex. That's the shit I do over in 80, 90. That's an insane flex. You come home and you're like, what's the moon? I only, like, 12 people have gone.

Maybe less, like 10 people? We don't know who coming back, though. Give me a motherfucker look like you come back. You don't know, bro. Bro. You're talking about clones? Yeah. You think people get cloned out here?

See, if you could clone Adam, I'm probably sure you go. I clone Walker. You think we get a clone, handle two walkers out here? No, but this walkers just stay home. Oh. He'd be the house walker. Just playing Brawlholla.

Oh, yeah. Yeah, playing Call of Duty. And so you would kick it at home and then... That walker goes shopping, like, domesticate that motherfucker. But then the clone gets out there. Well, he ain't leaving past domestication. Oh, really? Nah.

So what happens to this Walker? This Walker does what? Be Walker. I'm him. But my domesticated Walker is... It's number two. The clone walk is the one that chills. Yeah.

Oh, that's fire. And you kick it with him? You think, I feel like you guys will argue, though. No, I just cut them off when I go home. Yeah. You just turn them off? Yeah.

Can you turn clones up? I don't know if that's how it works. I don't know if you could turn a clone off, bro. You got to look into that. Before you clone yourself, you got to really look at the details. Quite sure. You could tranquilize the walker. Oh, yeah, no, you could.

You could probably could, you could probably tranquilize them. Uh-oh. Yeah, that's a little sketchy, though. Wow, it was you. Yeah, but it's like, You got to tranquilize him every night and then he's going to start getting pissed off probably because it's you.

Yeah, he fucking up with that one. I'm going to take that part out of his conscience. Damn, man. That is not you anymore, bro. Hey, cut this part out. Yeah, where are you out on the pyramids? You ever go see the pyramids? No, I cannot wait to do it.

That's crazy. I never wanted to do it. Oh, I'm going to go with Billy Carson. Wait, who's Billy Carson? Oh, he's the truth. Who's that? What? You don't know what that is?

No, put me on. What? Oh, bro, I got excited real boy. What the fuck? He's the goat, bro. Billy Carson. A lot of my quote-unquote walkness comes from the big dog.

He got the forbidden knowledge on Instagram. Oh, fire. I got to get him on this pot. He is the goat. Oh, can I peep? He is the goat. Oh, I got to get him on the pod. What type of time is he on?

Oh, my God. I hear how you talking? We have five? Waka is every... Waka is cool. But the cool shit is where Waka will come Waka from. Yeah.

He has a lot of credit in my book. What kind of stuff has he put you on that that blew your mind? Just like one thing. Bro. Again, I don't talk politics, religion, and relationships. That's fair.

I learned the most powerful shit in all the three lists, man. Oh, shit. So you can't even... He can't even speak on it. Bro, I'm telling you, I don't even want to spoil. I'm dead-ass serious, bro. But he's going to take you...

Like anybody ever tell you to talk to us, blowing your mind, bro. I'm like, you know. He's going to take you to the pyramids, though? Oh, and that's the only person I want to go with. And so what's the plan? You're going to pull up? He got a whole package trip. You pay for the package and you go walk through the parents.

Oh, really? Yes. What do you think the pyramids were? You think it was a tomb or you think it was for something else? It's a receptor. I think it was just something for energy. I've heard that. before. I've heard two things. One, it was like a spiritual receptor, and then the other one.

Yeah, I think it's spiritual to me. There's this thing called the Giza Power Plant. If you look it up, you can see a diagram of how they believe the pyramids were used literally as a battery. And they're like, they put acid in this room. They put some copper in this room. They were able to create a battery with the whole thing to create energy. You know, in certain languages, the pyramid means fire in the middle. Fire. In the middle. In the middle. Yeah. Let you figure the red part out.

Bro, how did they even build that shit? I'll let you figure that part out. How do they do it, bro? It's not hard. The complex shit is the shit you believing in today is making that actually hard. I mean, one way is that they took these rocks from 100 miles away.

They cut them up. They dragged them over there. They laid them on each other. That's a way. Is there another way, you think? Mr. Flame? It's definitely another way for a show. Hypothetically.

No hypothetical either. What could be another? Billy? He should talk to Billy. What could he say about the parents? He's a legend, bro. I'm just, I'm dead serious, bro. He's really a legend.

Like, he's like my Tupac Biggie. Really? A legend, bro. It's like that. That is crazy. Legend. And what kind of stuff specifically? There's just life in general?

This. Go down. on the billy rabbit hole tonight i need to i'm laying in bed i'm gonna start just downloading definitely a month a week if not a month will i get out of the matrix bro oh good subject for you think i'll get out good subject for him yeah i don't know what you in so how can i tell you to get out that's fair you know sometimes somebody some people be so stuck in when they're out they still feel in even when they get out or did they never get out i didn't know you out what's in their mind you get out and mentally get out and spiritually let go.

Man, you have fun talking to Billy. Yeah, be far. I like, I would be, I'll be one of the elaborating on a lot of stuff, but, nah. You can't speak on it. If I can do the fuck I want to do, I don't care about none of that. But, man. Nah.

It ain't time, nah. What about Antarctica? I don't know. If I go, I can tell you. You think there's some shit going on over there? Hey, man, I'm like you. I see that shit. I'm like, whew.

It's possible. You know what I'm saying? Anything possible, man. People only go to the same spots in America. Yeah. There's no such thing as Discover America no longer. Yeah. It was when I was a kid.

I'm 37, but that's rarely talked about. Yeah. Wow. What are the type of conspiracies do you get in on? I don't believe in experiences. I think the bitches is real. I don't believe in. I'm a conspiracy theory.

You can't even ask me no shit like that. I'm what they call conspiracy theorists. Okay. Literally. What's the shit that gets you going, though? The aliens, man. The aliens is the biggest thing. That's, man.

Do you think they're hiding? Oh, different, like, species. Of aliens. Just living beings. I think, like, that is just... I don't know, man, I've heard of TAL people, the T-A-O people, the T-A-O people? The T-O-P? Yeah.

No. Oh, some interesting topics. Like, I studied them for years, and they big off, like, people and face you features and how they react and who they are. And, like, it's fire. And so what are the Tao people? Just they study the humans. Like, bro, you just, it's some fire and shit out here now.

Are they on Earth? I told you about it, man. You got to do you. I'm one of them teachers, man. You can't be trying to get all the free lessons. Dig deep, man. Next conversation, be fun as fuck. But I got to learn about it.

I got to get on it. Man, don't let me rob you from the joy. The experience, man. Figuring it out. What? It's like telling me how it is to swim. What the fuck? Jumping the water. Backpedal. I'm telling you, my boy, you're going to love it. All right. So I got to look at the Tao people.

I got to look up, the aliens in the water. Yeah. You think there's only one type of alien, or you think there's multiple different types? What is it? Some of you're not foreign and whatever, blah, blah, blah. Yeah, I guess like not. Species. Not from Earth. Man, different species, man. You got to just looking to it. You seen the dude that's in Congress talking about the,

the aliens, the whistleblower? They've been talking about aliens, man. Sitting newspapers everywhere. You ever mess? You ever mess? Someone that got abducted? You did? Yeah.

I talked to two people on this podcast. I got abducted. What? Yeah. One dude, he was like, I got back from a wedding, wasn't drinking, nothing. I was with my girl.

I go into my hotel room. I'm in Miami. I look out the window. I see this, like, ball of energy. It starts coming towards the window. As I'm looking at it, all of a sudden, two beings kind of like apparate. outside the window.

And then they come inside the window. And he calls them great beings. It looked like a traditional alien. And he looks at them. And as he's trying to run away, he looks at his wife. She starts to scream. Both of them knock out. He wakes up in bed, like middle of the night, six hours later.

Different clothes that he had, like a different outfit or something, wakes up and he's just like, what the hell? Then he has memories of being on the craft. And they're like probing him, doing shit to him on the craft. all the sorts of shit and now he has an entire group dedicated for experiences people that have experienced it

so it's like thousands of people that are all in the group that talk about their abduction experiences I don't know what's going on oh no I want to see that crazy though I love to see that it's crazy

so again I like shit like that he says that his girl saw it he was like she was with me she saw the whole thing they grabbed up she didn't even get grabbed she just saw it happen

so she still with him They ended up divorcing. Wow. She said it was too much strange. She didn't want to be involved with it. Crazy. Nah, bro. Broke him up.

She's like, look, if you got aliens fucking up the crib, I'm out. That was it, bro. I'm not going to deal with your alien shenanigans. You know what I mean? That man, he's crazy. But he believes that he was, like, tagged. Like, you know how, like, turtles get tagged? And, like, they have their little trackers on them.

Like, we put them on it. He was like, there's nothing. special about me? They just tagged me. Oh, the craziest shit, he told me later. He was like, one of them showed up late at night through his wall, like through a portal on the wall, and he talked

to him for like 30 minutes. All sorts of crazy shit. He was like, he said, this one was big, it was like huge. And he was talking to him, and he was like, how do I know you're real? And he, like, opened the door. And then close it again. And he was like, that's how you know I'm real. I'm in, I'm in the room. They were talking, like, telepathically

the whole time. And then, And he was like, he was asking him all these questions and he was like answering cryptically. And again, it's all telepathic. So he would ask him like, what was one of the things? He was like, when will I see you again? And he goes, on the day of your death. He was like, what? And he was like, and when will that day be?

And he goes, my time and your time are different. And he was like, whoa. So I think he said in my time, it's today. But in your time, it'll be a different time. So he was like, what the fuck does that mean? But he says he's been experienced since he was like five years old, going his whole life, experiencing these kinds of things. Crazy.

Like once a year, once every two years, they come in, check on him. It's like to be lit, though. Somebody ain't know when they go catch you at death or go through walls. Hmm, that kind of sound bad. That sounds crazy, right? Yeah. What is that? That's why I'm talking.

I got different theology. But I'm like, what is he experiencing? Like, what is he seeing? I don't think he's lying. I think he's experiencing it. He don't do hallucination? He doesn't do anything. He doesn't do anything.

It's crazy, right? Maybe he don't got hallucinatory shit when you can see some shit go through the wall. Yeah. The hell of blood go do. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Ain't no strand for that.

You've done acid, you know what I mean? Like, you didn't see that. It's crazy. I do acid. I'm scared of acid. Oh, you never done acid? Hell, no. I'm scared of shit like you.

But you do mushrooms, though, but not acid. I never done acid either. I don't know. Mushroom's worth. Yeah, that's a good point. And it was in candy. Yeah. It got me.

Other than that, I'm not fucking. I just smoke pot. And I don't even do it to be hot either. It's just like a meditation. It's like some zinny. Yeah. You don't feel like the pot is too strong now?

Fuck you. It's becoming drugs. That's funny you say that, man. I'm dead-ass serious. I was just telling me like, oh, walk. I'm like, this is. is not weed. This is actually drugs.

It's different. God had nothing to do with this. This is man-made. It tastes good. But like the shit that comes out of the ground, the dirt weed, like the boomer shit, different. Like that's, I can't even smoke weed because I get too paranoid. What? Yeah, bro.

I get like, if it's too strong, I start thinking about aliens and shit and then I get all nervous. Yeah, bro. I used to see people do shit like that. I just be like, Yo, how the fuck do you get that far? But I don't know, man. My body don't ever go past a level.

It just go to sleep. Well, you had a bad trip with the mushrooms. I eat a lot. I guess I did too much weed. I don't know. I had three stems and heads. Oh, that's crazy. Yeah, I was fucked up.

Yeah, you can't do that. And I was trying to jog. In real life? Yes, real life. I was outside by waterfalls. Oh, man, that sounds beautiful, actually. Yeah, but now were you tripping? The water to tell you to jump in?

Nah, that's crazy I see dinosaurs All kind of shit You saw dinosaurs? I swear to God Oh, that's fire Like Were you freaking out?

Nah Just I don't know Everything I thought Wasn't possible It's possible Now Because of that

Or just Nah, it's just I don't know I can't explain it Because we gotta do it Again And again No

That's That's interesting I want to do Another mushroom For like a good one but like I'd space it out though I don't want to do it too much

I did I did Molly for the first time two years ago and I actually I thought it was helpful I didn't abuse it like I know you did ecstasy for a little bit right

how long were you using that for it like 14 27 what was the first time you did ecstasy um some of going to high school how did you get exposed to that

she was there well in Atlanta Hell yeah. That shit was around. Just actual, like, straight up ecstasy. Yeah, fuck it. Really? Hell, yeah. I never heard that.

Like, I always thought that was just, like, a party drug, like. That motherfucker was, that she was, I ain't go flex. That shit had a motherfucker's evil, though. Yeah, I don't get how that. How does that happen? I don't know, man, you just act on emotions. Like, you're just emotionless, like, mm-hmm. Ecstasy?

I feel like that makes you happy. It could. It excites the emotion. Mm-hmm. But I know you have this story about the dude that he, like, did ecstasy, and he killed someone that you knew, right? Yeah. Yeah.

Which is crazy. I know plenty of those stories. On Exchise. And Xanax, too. Zanx, I don't know about it. I've never really done that. Yeah, I don't fucking about it. But it's just drugs, man.

Drugs is crazy, my boy. Like, actually being an artist made me stop fucking with drugs. Why? Have it. Because as the years went by for me in 14, I probably slowed down after like 26. That's when I was like, eh. I still talk like this right now. That's from X.

Like I came over my mouth sometimes. Really? Because it rolled so hard. You like, yeah, I got to. Yeah. So now that I talk like is I talk extremely fast now. That can be like, and I'm quiet. Like I talk quiet as fuck because I used to be high as fuck.

So you can't be talking about how. You're, I'm good, bro. It's different. I actually can tell what the damage you did to me. That's interesting. And how frequent was the abuse? Like how... Every day.

I pop a pill before noon. Soon as soon as I wake up, I'm drinking water. About before I eat, I was eating a pill. I used to be rolling and people even know it. That is crazy. In school, rolling. But I ain't dive deep, deep into it until, like, after, like, 15th. When I'm, like, going into 16th,

I was like, all right, he's up. And where a lot of people do it? Was they? That is crazy. Every day. They got even crazy in the 20s. Like in the 20s, I started like, man, it's crazy. Especially dealing with shit with, like, my death from my brothers.

It was just a lot of shit. I don't know. Shit gets hard to deal with. And when you got this little being that's going to make you feel amazing. You're Superman. Yep. You're the dumb Superman. It's a dead.

It's very seductive. You're the idiot version of Superman. Yeah, you think you're Superman. The idiot version. And that's the most dangerous place to be. Oh, yeah. But yeah. And it's very, it's very seductive.

Like, did you ever do it, like, at a festival or at, like, a party or anything like that? I can't answer that. Wait, why not? Hey, let the imagination run. Yeah. That's crazy you're doing it when you're in school, 15, 16. And then what made you quit? Do you remember, like, the moment?

A lot of times. shout out to Mike Will. A lot of times I did it to stay up. A lot of times I did it to be on point in the streets. Because when I was on them driving, I didn't sleep. Every time I stayed up for two days. Three days. My body would be weak as fuck.

That should be hurt. Like your body's, it goes like pain. But that's life, though, man. That's the life I chose to live. know I was doing the wrong thing. Damn. Even when you were doing it, you knew it was... Man, it's been a time as I was so high

that I thought I was going to die. Like, I'm like, yo, this shit is crazy. Like, like, high as fuck. Like, I'm talking about it, like, to the point, I couldn't even move. Like, I literally was sitting down and my whole body was just like... Spinning.

Like, just going. Off the ecstasy. It's dangerous, man. It's some dangerous shit, man. Damn. And was it difficult to quit? Uh-huh. Once I was over, I'm over it. Really?

just cut it off. That was it. This was my daughter, though. Really, my daughter stopped everything. It's just the way she started looking at me. It just was like, you're embarrassing. Really? But I don't think she never did that. It's just like, I'm embarrassing, huh?

Even the weed, man. She was like, that's stinky, you stink. So it's the power to my daughter, bro. I'm not a lot. Like, if it wasn't for my daughter, I would still be, I'd probably be fucked. Really? She saved you. Oh, definitely.

Because you were young when you had her, right? She's the apple in my eye. I actually, I raised her. It was my ex-wife's daughter. I remember when she was four years old. Oh, really? And I don't think having a baby's different. Like, that's my baby.

Yeah, that's blood. It's like, she just, she was a blessing, man. I'm just my fucking blessing. Like, like, she literally showed me the side in life that I didn't experience. So being her father made me experience our father. Mm. in a sense. Because your dad was not super present, I guess, growing up.

He was locked up. He passed. You know, he went to jail fighting for a better life for his kids being a criminal. Yeah. I guess. That's a way. That's a thing. I love smoking roaches.

It humbles you. Makes you feel like a kid again? It makes you appreciate life. Yeah. That's cool, though, that raising your own daughter made you appreciate being a dad. Did it give you more respect for your dad in a way? A hundred times. Like, because I can imagine if you're a kid and your dad's, you know, in prison, you probably are angry.

But then as soon as you grow up and you start raising your own kids, I wonder if it gives you a different perspective. Is that true? 100%. But my father's, like, he's still present, though. Like, his words is ill. Like, his strength, who he is. That's a man. He's just, he's staying for something.

So it's not like you're just going to fall short of not having a dad. Yeah. And my mother's so. great at being the mother that you didn't miss shit yeah nothing who was the best role model for you you think in terms of being a man the best role model um i think everybody yeah it took everybody i think the only person that could be the best role model is your father it was a lot of people for me though just for me if anybody should my brother yeah my oldest brother he he laid it down he did he did something that i actually never seen anybody doing my

my life. I watched my brother sacrificed his own life, his own everything on accountability of his brothers and his mother being a single mom. Like all the time. Like right now my brother's my first time my older brother's starting to accept

like, we could do stuff for him. Oh really? Really? He would always be like, no, I got it. I'm going to do this forever. My brother can have everything. Like, literally everything. I would never my life say no to my brothers ever. And what things that he sacrificed for you guys?

Tom, man, everything. He couldn't even live. I remember one time I was getting a trace of like, I can't, I don't got a fucking life, Walker. Damn, man, you keep getting into shit. Stop! Like, he just was scared. I mean, when I got shot, I didn't even tell my brother I was shot.

His intuition just pulled right up on me. Yeah, I'm telling you, man, my older brother's like, that man was, he's literally like Christ in my life. I'm telling you, my second older brother's my best friend. Like, that's my first best friend ever. He a year older than me. So I always like, it's my brothers. My oldest brothers.

Like, my older brother, Quorum. That's like that he has no problems. Like, I never see my brother into beef. He literally do not argue with anybody. Really? Like, I'm dead serious. I watched him when he's 13. Punch a big-ass grown man.

I was boxing him. He fell on a guy car and dented it. And my brothers just always the shit. And he ain't nowhere near street. He only won't be street. at all. He don't give a fuck about it. What does he do now?

Now he's, what he called his fun life, he started engineering, him and making beats. And he fires fuck at it now. It's weird as, it's weird as fuck. And I always talk to him, he should be my engineer, Quang. Like, who else could be better? He's like, no, I ain't doing that shit. I can know what I'm doing.

All right, bro. And so what kind of music did he make? All kinds of shit. It's like different style? we just, we really living right now. Me, my brother's, we just living, bro. My brother's had another baby. Like, we're just living.

Like, it's no direction right now. Great. I know what direction we're in. That's for us. But right now, we're living. We're living in the moment. It's fun. Yeah.

And how many kids do you have? My daughter? It's just a daughter. I thought there was more kids. Biological, I never had kids. Do you think you'll have biological kids? Yeah, well, I get the wife. shit I cannot wait but right now you're good

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I don't know. My kids won't know what struggle is. Yeah, how do you think you're going to deal with that? Because even if I didn't have money, I would not have a TV. Yeah, of course. Because I'm struggling. So why the fuck would I let my kids see something better than what we already have? Yeah.

Now I'm mentally depressing. See, my mind will go so intensely deep that it would be crazy. Yeah, how do you think you parent your kids when they get here? Would you give them like an iPad? Yeah, of course. So give them an iPad. Of course. So they can use that, but no TV.

No, I'm saying if it was a different scenario. But they don't tooth need a TV. They got an eye pass, the TV. Yeah. Yeah, why wouldn't I not make my kids go with the modern now? It's my job to teach them in the past. It's not my job to force it on them. Yeah.

It's dumb. You'll keep a kid in the past now. You think you'll give them an inheritance? Oh, I kind of battle with that. Yeah, what do you think? I got a way of doing it. How do you think you'll do it? Not an lump sum, though.

Nobody deserves a lump sum of money that never had money. Yeah. It's dangerous. I mean, it's straight up. That shit dangerous, bro. Minds it's dangerous. It's power. You just gave someone a bunch of power.

We watch it in hip-hop. Fuck, you're giving kids a lump sum of money. They're on camera high. They're kids. Yeah. Yeah, you got to be... How was that? You know how embarrassed my mother probably was watching me on YouTube,

rolling off ecstasy talking in email and interviews I mean? That's my first time I didn't even saying I just thought about that right now that's crazy you do shit unapologetic like you're young yeah and you just get money yeah fuck you know

checks hit no responsibilities never had shit before mortgage is cheap that's the thing that's why I don't blame these young artist musicians that like people would give like just a beat were such a hard time.

You're like, man, this kid driving around and his Lamborghini. Like, you remember all this? It was like 10 years ago. Yeah, but... I'm like, bro, he's a kid. Like, you just gave him $20 million. Again, people love pointing problems

with no solutions. Yeah. He's a kid that's ain't a problem in his life. He's lonely, bored, et cetera, et cetera. So the solution he found was buying a Lamborghini. Yeah. The solution he found was whatever fuck people was talking about him for.

That was his solution because nobody provided a better one. Yeah. Everybody quick to keep talking about opportunities and what they did, that's money. That's not it. It's nothing. Do you remember the first check you got that made you go like... Yeah, I had $98,000 check.

98,000? Yeah. And what was that for? Some music shit. Like a concert or a song? Actually, like, from a label. Oh, really? Like an advance?

Nah. And how old dream you got it? 23. Yeah. And what does your brain do? When you see? I buy the casks, this motherfucker. I go, uh, buy some peas.

Yeah. That was my whole friend shit. Just being honest. Yeah. Just immediately. Yeah, but I want to buy a house, though, immediately. Like, my first bag of money, I went to buy me house, ASAP. You did?

Yeah, I bought house. In Atlanta? Yeah, right down the street from, in my same neighborhood as my mother. How cool is that? I stay right by my mother. I'm trying to live with my mother to this day. Yeah. At 20-some years old, buy a house in your neighborhood with your mom.

That's crazy. Because when I leave, my mother can watch it. Yeah. And you have kids there. She's a grandma's so close. Now, it was deep. Like the walk house, the walk experience was like, it was lit. I called the walk experience because it was just, it was my house, but it was really ours.

Like I was in the house. I never kicked people out ever. It was always open door. You ain't have nowhere to live. Everybody knows, yo, we can stay at walkhouse. Really? Facts. You had people that came through the, like.

Like friends of friends. in there. Really? All different types of people. A lot of them famous right now. Really? Can you share who? Yeah. If they share it, they share it. That's crazy. They'll sleep on your couch. Sleep on our couch.

That's cool. If it wasn't for them, we won't have this. I just so happen to be the voice. I mean, that's crazy. I know what I was doing while I was pulling in there, but I ain't going to hold that over there. Yeah. I mean, that's respect. That's so cool, just to have an open door. Like, yo, anyone that needs to come through?

Oh, for sure. You get your food. Nobody sleep outside. Not happening. Take a shower. Not happening. No one sleeps outside. We got a couch.

It might not be the nicest thing. No one sleeps outside. It's not happening. That's awesome. Not happening. I mean, that's, do you... To this day, not happening. Do you like to do charity stuff?

Like... Of course. What kind of stuff? Anything. It's therapeutic. You see a homeless dude? Throwing some... People that's homeless don't want money.

They don't really... They're homes because they chose to be. homeless. Yeah. Not everybody homeless is homeless. Yeah. I knew a couple homeless dudes

I would ask. I'd be like, man, like, what's going on? He'd be like, I chose this. He's like, I don't want to get tied down. I prefer to be free.

And I was like, all right. That's what you want. But like, what kind of charity shit do you like? Like, how would it manifest that would bring you the most joy

you think? I think hunger. Mm-hmm. feeding people. Yeah. Kids, everyone. Yeah.

One of my goals, where I just stop, like, the food crisis in the world. Mm. I think, like, the world, on, if anything in the whole world, nobody should ever be starving. Yeah.

Well, it's too much resources. Trusting that. Too much access to help people, to let people starve. Yeah. It's too much, you ever read about, like, how much food gets wasted,

how much food we throw away every year? Like in America alone, it's something crazy. Like, not like food off your plate that you don't finish. I'm talking, like, canned food or regular-ass food that just gets thrown away. They do? Bro, it's like 40% of the food produced, 50% of the food produced. God damn.

Trash. Doesn't get sold. It expires. A bunch of shit. Crazy. I've heard people say, like, just with the technology we have, with the type of farming we have, everyone can eat. Yeah.

Everybody cultivated in their name. back, it'd be like, wait. Even just off, like, the shit we have in America, like, people can eat off that. But it's just infrastructure, it's resources, it's allocation of the food. Money, ultimately. It's a shame,

though. But how could you do it? Like, there's got to be a way, right? One day I learned, and I shit. Until I learn it, I can't share it. You're good at learning shit, though. Yeah. I mean, the one thing about the charity thing, I thought was very

interesting. You mentioned that early on in your career, you gave 70% of your money away just to people. I didn't even notice that either. Like, how would that manifest? Like, how are you giving away? I was living 30, I was living on 30% of my career. And these are like, yeah, I'm rich as fuck. I'm like, damn, I really could have been like. But these are like people in the neighborhood. These are like. Yes, everybody.

Like, yo, loan me a thousand bucks. I could meet a guy sleeping in a truck out. I was sleeping that truck out of a supermarket with his family. I'm like, oh, hey, I'd break a four thousand. like grocery stories he a guy fumbling with some quarters got you no man i just i cannot look over the week the hunger the poor i cannot do it i cannot it's hard to go out the country the older i got because i was in blind to facts yeah going to like mexico and it just was tough man it was tough yeah you see the poverty in some places Columbia d r the Puerto rico the south of america i was like Yeah, bro, hell no.

Some of the poverty out here is crazy. Like, America's got problems, of course, but some of the poverty out here is... Yeah, it's sick. It's different. Yeah, it's sick. Yeah. It makes you feel bad.

Like, dude, I remember we went to Mexico recently, my wife and I, and, like, you just see, like, a little kid, you know, he's, like, seven years old, no shoes on, trying to, like, sell mangoes and shit, and you're like, damn. But that's our perspective, right?

Because that kid can be happy as fuck. They don't know nothing about social. media's and shit like that. That's true. The poverty I'm talking about actually seeing a real mother and kids sleep on cardboard boxes with signs out begging for money.

Yeah. Fast poverty. Yeah. I think when people selling mangoes and shit of that nature, I think they need more, they need knowledge. Because if you gave them the knowledge

on how to expand that industrial and put that into an industrial job, then it's different. You can teach them how to community. It's like this. These are all how you say tribes and teach them how to connect and form one company.

Now, everybody and these tribes know what they got to put in this one company to give to this world. Now, these tribes or these neighborhoods can win. Yeah. What are some of the companies that you're working on right now that make you most excited? Staffing agency. A staffing agency. Yeah, my staffing agency. How does that work?

You just started a staffing agency? I joined it. I actually met a gentleman by the name of Ricky Brown. And he had a business that was going. And I joined it, invested in. And I would love to get jobs. He got this thing called, we don't want to rob. We just want a job.

We don't want to be on a block or a Glock. We'd just rather punch a clock. That's cool. And I was like, damn, man, this message is fire, man. I fuck with it. And this is basically just lining people up with potential jobs they might love. Yes. Another thing I started doing is getting to app development.

Ooh. Yeah. I know a new company that we have is called flyuout.com And what's that? Fly you out.com, figure it out. Is it launched already? Fly you out dot com.

I got to go peep that. My dad, peeped that, my boy. That sounds crazy. Dad, it's just a countless and countless amount of things. I kind of like talking about shit, though, really. It sounds braggadocious, so it's like, ah. I think it's kind of a good example for some people, though. facts and that's why that's a thing that I that's my thing today that I do it yeah that's the

hurdle today that I got to learn how to do what do you mean I got to get over I got to just start breaking this shit down in my mind I'm like I don't know there might be some kid from the hood right now listening to me like yeah shout to dro I got dro as well it's an paroline it's cannabis as well I have another paroline called scrit we out of Montreal um NASDAQ. It's the music version of NASDAQ. Wait, that's crazy. Brick Squad Monopoly. My label, I've launched that. So I said, I mean, that's cool. Mazdeck, the music. That's NASDAQ for music? Oh, trading platform. 100% comply. SEC approved, regulated everything.

So you can buy and sell. My music. My catalog. I walk a flock or turns into Apple. Wow. So you basically IPO. yourself. Hey, want to invest in my future. Wow, that's very interesting. That's fine. Is that already in development right now? It's done. It's done. Yeah. That's crazy. Are you interested in AI? I got that as well, built that as well. 2018. What are your thoughts on it? It's coming. Yeah. His hair. It's not going to stop. I don't think nothing that starts stops. Does it scare you, Artificial intelligence?

Everything's a lot of shit scared me. I see that's a human emotion. I have fear. No, do I have a fear for it? No. No. Fuck, no. You don't think it's going to be like

takeover shit, start thinking to things, try to destroy you. Why would I give that idea of power of thinking? I don't put no thought to that. Fuck it. You listen to any of the AI music? No.

No difference. If I heard it. I feel like you feel a confidence is because one of your strengths in entertainment is being an entertainer, the live performance. And AI can't do that.

Not yet. Never be able to do that. Yeah. That's how I feel with comedy. You know, as a stand-up comedian, like, I don't know how, it's going to take AI a long time to be able to do stand-up comedy. You know what I mean?

Fuck, no, damn. Who the fuck about the list of a robot to do comedy? That's what I'm saying. Well, I don't know, though. I mean, you can see robots are painting. no, though. They make pictures of shit that are kind of fired. Oh, no, though, yo. A robot that had, like, a

Dave Chappelle robot would be fucking crazy. That's what I'm saying. And it doesn't sound like a robot. It sounds exactly like Dave Chappelle. And it's able to come up with jokes exactly like Dave Chappelle. I don't know if it can't. But maybe if one day it does, well, people want to go see it. It's very interesting. I think about that, because it's already

able to paint. You've seen the shit it can make with painting and, like, you know, mid-journey, all that stuff. It can create pictures that are beautiful. And it's like, whoa, like, when is it going to break over? Man, I'm just blessed, bro. That's all I can say. If I leave an interview with anything, I just say, there's glory to God, bro.

Yeah. God, I'm talking about as a God of love, the love with your clothes on, the God that helps you breathe, keep you smiling, keep you with joy, keep you with trust, keep you with loyalty. It's, I just, I just can't. I don't, man. I just wish people to tap into the other side, man. You feel grateful?

I am grateful. I don't think this is a feeling. This is actually a state of being in a way of life. Just like me having to drink water, I have to be joyful. I can just, I have no room for having anger because the anger I had is the reasons of anger. I don't have it no more. So there's nothing else. That was the only thing holding me back.

The things that brought you the anger, have gone away. Gone. I actually overcame. And money did not help me. Money pulled me worse in it. Yeah, of course. What were the things that brought you the most in?

Then the person I know me too well. Wait a second? Then the people that don't know me will know me too well and that will actually take away from why you should know me. You know what I'm saying? It's just,

you got to, when you're angry, you got to know why you're angry. and what fuse their anger. And some people use that as a perk. Me, I rather dreamed it. I wanted to drain it. But I wanted to drain it without selling out. I feel like I succeeded on doing that.

It's a lot of, I hear it. I just hear it. It's not what I worry about. I just hear people like, you should did this, you should be doing this and that. But it's always my other little sensei in my head saying they have no idea what it took to you. just sit right here, Walker.

You did what you had to do. So I keep my grounds where I need to be. It's like me coming back out rapping. There's got to be some ignorance in it because I got to find out who's ignorant that even grab their ass and grab their back of their neck or their shoulder and turn them this way. Who knows?

I'm doing God's work, so whatever comes with that is God's work. Is there anyone that you're angry at? No. No, and even people in the past that have wronged you that have treated you poorly. Even a man that shot me. Fuck no. Really?

Could get a job. You forgive him? For Gabe, I never, ever... If I didn't, he'd be dead. Wow. In real life. You're gonna fuck by no camera, no rap, none. I kill him.

In real life, me right here with my hands, I choke the fuck out of him. I rip his mouth open. In real life, I'm not worrying about nobody here on God. The only reason I'm not scared is I'm not worrying about people at all. There's nobody on God's green earth that may... That can even pump pussy in my blood. Nobody.

And I know that. It's not about being gangster. I don't care who the fuck you are. You got to come with it. So anybody even come at me aggressive, you have to be a devil. And that's how I feel. That's how I can sleep. You got to be a demon or a devil.

I hear people say they're on demon time. I'm on angel timing. I see angel numbers. For everybody that say, they're on demon time. I see angel numbers. I'm not scared of the devil. Worry about God's wrath. It's a big difference with me.

I don't play these games. I would never drive. By the fact, I bought a Hellcat, and I had to think to myself, like, what the fuck are you in a car to say? It's Hellcat. So I'm not got to just play with shit. Like, I don't have to dive in dark.

They'll see light. Like, that's not Walker. Not saying it's wrong or right, but this is not me. Anything I do, I don't want nobody to be harmed from. No one. And if I ever brought you harm or bring you harm, please come to me. I promise to God, like, woo, get right to the bottom of it. There's no need to get a mass amount of people or even one other person.

Just bring yourself. I promise to God, nothing to happen to you. I promise, bro. I'm just not a sneaky person. I don't know how to be sneaky. I never was like that. Streetwise, I want you to fucking know. I'm coming. There's no like, hey, oh, this God snuck me. No. Bro, you, I'm a, I'm a warrior at the end of the day. I want you to meet your death the right way. with a sword again. Yeah, straight up. That's my theology, so I wouldn't, I wouldn't think like that.

Yeah. I just, I'm just wanting the people that actually lay down in the ground for what I believe. Respectfully, and with grace and the smile on my face, so that's how I feel. Did you ever look back on any of your early music and be like, damn, this was a representation of myself that I didn't like. This was a little... I love everything about me. Really, even the early, the early work.

For sure. Not too aggressive. Come on, man. I'm paro, man. I can never. forget that. I can never forget that. And can't nobody in the world say, oh, he's a gang member.

No. Nah, baby. You can't. If I'm a gang member, you are too. I'm not, man. I don't sit here. I'm just not none of that shit, bro. It's just a part of who I am today. That's a part of what I did. Do I regret anything? No, but is it my obligation, my job, to go back and show kids or guys or whoever another way by actions, not by words? Because if your

Mama can't talk to you. Who the fucking mom? But my actions were so powerful in my life that I went against the grain. For shit, I could have lost my life for it. But it was so real that it's like, damn, this nigga is like, that's real. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? It was a part of the journey for you.

It actually was. And it still is. You know what I'm saying? So. Yeah, it was just a piece of the pie. You're not going to change a part of the story. Life is a body of work. You don't want to cut your toes off.

Yeah. Because the fingernails black. Yeah. Clean the fungus and you keep going. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. So all that stuff is a party. You're not a, you don't, you don't have shame over none of it.

Fuck, man. Yeah. The only thing I'm shaming is the devil. Ooh. Tell me, man. When God came in my presence, the devil gave me a high five. That's all I can say. Are there people in the music industry that are presented themselves, you know, you don't have to say names specifically, but people that...

I'm over people in music. But are the people that presented you early on when you were first coming up that you could tell was, you know, a negative energy? I see it now. Still. See, I'm just a different kind of rapper, brother. Like, I can't respect people for sending people to do negativity if you're scared to do it. I'm a, you can't. I'm just different, bro.

I can, as they say in the hood, I can't be around a rich pussy. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Your money is not going to make me do the shit that you are afraid to do. Or you claim you don't have time to do. I never could be that person. I never pay nobody on God's Green Earth to do anything. to nobody.

It's taking the joy out of that shit. Was there people that wanted to collab on songs or do a feature with you that you were like, nah, I'm good just because of, you know, who they were? Nah, I don't got time to be collabing. I'm actually working every day since the day I start rapping. I don't have no time to collab. Oh, shit. You got to take that?

No, that's good. It's just 4 o'clock. It's late. Oh, got you. Oh, fuck. You got a late night? No, man, I got to do something. shit by Grandfather.

Oh, that's cool. That's cool. Well, then in that case, we can circle up. Yeah, I got to go with my granny. I love my baby, man. Big meal. She wants some llama beans and turkey decks and shit. That's tough.

You're about to go do that right now? I think I need to get her llama beans, turkey neck, white rice, cornbread, yeah. That's true. That's eating good. You're going to go get Chinese food from Kim Po? Yes, sir. Up in Queens? Off and Farmer's, my boy, you know it down the street.

Farmers pizza is everything. Cross street from the grassery. Yes, sir. Yeah, that's the spot. Yes, sir. Yeah, yeah. All right, brother. That's all I know, man.

Walker, I appreciate you, man. Yeah. Genuinely, man. This is dope. I'm a huge fan. I really appreciate you taking the time to come chat with me. I'm a show. Yeah, man.

Just stop grabbing booties, man. It's your fault. It's your fault. Don't blame me for this. Appreciate you, bro.