Camp Gagnon - Whistleblower Reveals Earthquake Machines In Antarctica & Surviving CIA Mind Control | Eric Hecker

Episode Date: January 17, 2024

Eric Hecker is former Navy and contractor for Raytheon, a major U.S. defense contractor. As a firefighter and plumber for the South Pole facility, Eric had unrestricted access to the compound. During the year in south pole, Eric observed highly advanced directed energy weapons and other technologies beyond what we previously thought possible. He claims to have had many closed door conversations with top scientists and technicians to confirm the nature of these weapons. Eric has also tes...

If you can think of something evil, someone's already doing it as an example. The ability to generate an earthquake. It is my understanding that the two earthquakes in 2011 were caused by the bringing on of the system of the Ice Cube Neutrino Detector. And it is my understanding that when they first brought it online, that they basically had two friendly fire misfires. And that's what hit Christchurch, New Zealand. I was there. A lot of folks contemporarily seem to have a lack of respect for people with direct firsthand experience.

I mean, who else are you going to believe about what's going on in? South Pole, someone from South Pole or someone not from South Pole. Everybody always says, if this was going on, somebody would have said something. Well, there are people saying stuff. There's some people from my crew that are young and dead already, and it doesn't make sense. Have you felt that because of your work as a whistleblower, your life has ever been threatened? I know my life has been threatened. How do you know it's been threatened? I don't have a fear of death because I don't think death is the end of anything. Eric Hacker. What's up, brother? How you doing, Mark? Nice to fairly to meet you. Yeah, it's great to meet you.

as well. I really appreciate you coming by. You took a long trek from Anchorage, Alaska. Yep. Flew from, you know, all the way through a snowstorm. Yeah, it was getting pretty brutal up there with weather. Yeah. Some curiosities as to whether I'd make it or not. Yeah, yeah, just to make it here to the campsite here in Brooklyn. Which is a beautiful campsite. Oh, thank you so much. I appreciate it.

It was the nicest campsite in Brooklyn I've ever been to. I think that's true. I take a lot of pride in that. I really do. You have a fascinating story. Fascinating work experience, fascinating lived experience. the whole thing. We're going to get into all of it. So I'm just going to kind of outline a couple things that you've done and that we're going to talk about today and then correct me if I'm wrong in anything. You were contracted by Raytheon to work at the South Pole Station in Antarctica for a year in like 2010. You worked as sort of like a maintenance dude, plumber, fire team, all that kind of stuff.

You had full access to the whole facility and you got to have a lot of interesting closed door conversations, a lot of different scientists. that were working there, and you got to see a lot of different types of technology that were happening in the South Pole. Is that true? That's correct. You have since gone on to appear on Sean Ryan's show, Patrick MetDavid's show. You testified in front of a Senate. The Senate Intelligence Committee and Arrow, AARO, which is a new arm of the government to investigate the UFO phenomena amongst its other branches and departments, I guess you would say. Yeah.

Kind of like a central repository of like, hey, What have all you guys been up to in this topic? Yeah. I mean, that's the intent. It's new. So I'm not, you know, no testament to whether it's going to function or not, but this is what being told its purpose was. So that was their interest in talking to me was just to do due diligence

and what their new, you know, mission statement is. And so you're technically a whistleblower within the U.S. government because you testified for this Senate hearing. Can you just sort of in a broad thesis tell me just kind of the headline, What did you say to Senate in this? In the broadest sense of the term, what I was trying to impress upon the Senate Intelligence Committee about the faction at the South Paul station, for lack of a better term, is that that faction, amongst other factions, where learning is kind of rogue, that there are things that we the people have invested our taxpayer dollars into. and those programs are supposed to have oversight. And it appears that what's going on in the Antarctic program

is one of these factions that has now gone rogue and functioning without oversight. And it seems that the sky is the limit for what nefarious deeds they can be up to. And I basically started letting them know on the things that I was figuring out through communicating with my crew, through learning about things that were presented to me

when I was there that I've done more research on and just connecting the dots and trying to figure stuff out. So that was the long and short of it, was just to let them know there's technology at the South Paul station that is, for lack of a better term, like beyond the comprehension of the average person at this point. It's like it's that far advanced that what I'm telling people is like almost repugnant information

because it's like, well, if that was true, and it's like, well, that's kind of my whole point to this conversation is to get people to start thinking about, well, what if this is true? You know, I get a lot of flack because, you know, saying directed energy weapons are creating earthquakes and provide an avenue for mind control. It's not that it's impossible. It's just that people haven't done the research yet. I just came across an article that the scientists at University of Wisconsin,

which is the same outfit that's running the Ice Cube Neutrinos detector at South Pole Station. I just came across an article that said that they were looking into having direct communication with, let's say you, a person, while you're sleeping and in the middle of a lucid dream, that they can engage you conversationally. So this is the front edge of science that no one's really discussing. and there's not a lot of folks out there short of like, you know, Dr. James Giordano who are looking into the morals and ethics of these new weapons platforms that do exist. It's not even a question anymore if they exist. We have companies used to be called LRAD. Now they go by the name Genesis.

And they manufacture the LRAD device, long-range acoustical device, which is a directed energy weapons platform. These are commercially available items that are for sale. Okay. So the two big claims, if I'm understanding correctly, is that in South Pole Station in Antarctica, they're working on directed energy weapons. Yes. And they're also working on, I guess, technology that could implant thoughts and ideas into people's minds.

Yes. And this is all happening in Antarctica. Correct. And you have evidence to support these claims. I have evidence to support that the Ice Cube, Neutrina, detector is not simply passively listening, so to say. I provide a documentation that states that it is also transmitting. And then through just extrapolation of other information, we can do the research to find out that it's effectively the world's largest phased array transmitter.

Because now that we know it can transmit, we just have to look at what its components are and what the list of possibilities are at this point. and that's basically where I'm coming in and trying to get people to honestly look at what can be going on. So I can't prove every aspect of everything that I'm suggesting for folks to consider, but what I can prove is that they're lying to us, that there are directed energy weapons systems functioning at the South Pole, but as to what they are doing, I'm just using Occam's razor to put everything on the table. Everything to do with directed energy weapons should be considered as a possible.

at the South Pole Station until such time we assess and say, well, that's definitely not happening. And that's definitely not happening. Got it. But the problem is with Directed Energy Weapons is it's not like a standard pistol of old, right? Where it has a particular caliber bullet, you pull the trigger, that bullet comes out, and that's all that weapon does. Directed energy weapons systems, we just have to understand, are a lot more complex. They can fire many different things. The list is massive.

Could you explain a directed energy weapon just to a fifth grader? Sure. It's the manipulation of energy, I guess you would say, over time and space, from one location to another. Tesla would say not even necessarily radiating the energy that it can get from one point to another without a propagated power loss. So it kind of thumbs its nose that all the things we know about energy and physics beforehand. So we just have to open our minds up to, how do I put it? As an example, the ability to generate an earthquake is the delivery of energy from one point to another with the intended negative outcome of inducing an earthquake. And we'll get to that in a little bit, but you believe that earthquakes have been created from the directed energy weapons at the South Pole already.

Yes, absolutely. Okay. It is my understanding that the two earthquakes in February of 2011 were caused by the bringing on of the system of the Ice Cube Neutrino Detector. They went from construction to operations and maintenance during the season that I was there. And it is my understanding that when they first brought it online as a transmitter, that they basically had two friendly fire misfires. And that's what hit Christchurch, New Zealand. Wow. Okay.

So we're going to get to that. I guess also like weather control the ability to like manipulate weather patterns I believe that would be on the list as well because these are all things that directed energy weapons systems can manipulate so I want people to consider that every one of these things could be going on a lot of folks out there might be familiar

with harp which is the system that's up in Kokona, Alaska which I have visited that at least twice now maybe three times I can't recall exactly the first time I went there but harp is basically a phased array transmitter on the surface of the earth that has length and width to it. The Ice Cube neutrino detector adds depth

because it's embedded in the ice. So it's an exponential power up, I guess you would say, for its abilities in the concept of being a phased ray transmitter. You're adding another level of the depth to the playing field. Interesting. And then just the last component to kind of set the table here.

The reason that you've come forward as an official whistleblower, and the reason why you've put in so much effort and flown from Alaska just to be here today to talk about this, what are the implications of this technology being in the hands of different governments in the world? And what does that mean for the fate of humanity, in your opinion? A lot, and that's a great question. The reason that I'm speaking is because of my understanding of these technologies and the fact that I can observe them being applied to the general population now, is if people don't start to pay attention that they started by using these in small groups, but that was just to get it dialed in. Now these weapons are being used

by many factions, and we, the people, are caught in the crossfire of a war of technological level that we haven't even begun to consider, so we don't realize that we're kind of all walking wounded on a battlefield that we don't even realize that we're on right now. I mean, this is, this is wild. This will be fun So been at the South Pole for a year Contracted by Raytheon Directed energy weapons Mind control weapons

And ultimately all of humanity Is at risk because of this technology Fall into the wrong hands That's all true? Yeah All right It's already in the wrong hands technically Okay

And they're already in the throes of battle A lot of what I'm doing Is because of my crew Negatively impacted From being the opposite operators for a season of a directed energy weapons system. Sorry that I had that. Okay.

Can we talk about this? This is the creepiest, most awful. Look, I don't even care what you say today, okay? Regardless of what you say, the worst thing that you've done ever in your entire life is have that as your ring time. If anyone didn't hear it, I don't know if I got picked him on the mic. It's a little boy going, hello? You're a maniac. You're a terrifying person.

I am giddy that this is the reaction. I'm getting off of that. Did you mute it? Because if it goes off again, I did mute it. I'm going to black out. I'm going to throw up all over the table. Okay. So this is, so far, the groundwork has been laid for a very interesting conversation.

So just take me back. I would love to just kind of start even at the beginning. I would love to know about kind of like your upbringing, your family, things like that, because I do think it sets a good framework for understanding you as your career kind of advances. So you grew up in Long Island. Yes, sir. So you're not far from home. No, not far at all.

Welcome back to New York. Thank you, sir. And we're in Long Island? I grew up in Nassau County in Levitown. Okay, yeah, yeah, of course. The country's first suburb. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Which is also, I mean, ripe for research,

and as far as, you know, it was a government experiment. Yeah. Levitown was funded basically so that William Levitt could make a community for the returning World War II veterans, a concentration of World War II veterans. So it was a peculiar community by design. Yeah. You had Grumman over.

over there. What's that? Grumman in Bethpage, which that's where the lunar module is manufactured. Mm. So this is, you know, this is where all the Operation Paperclips folks went. Oh, interesting. Yeah, they were all residents of that community. And Operation Paperclip is the mission, or I guess the operation after World War II

that a lot of Nazi scientists were then relocated to work within U.S. governmental systems. Yes, for NASA, which, you know, the Lunar module, which was Bethpage. Right. So this is where these guys hung out. And you were born there? I was born in Beth Page, yeah. Oh, wow. That's so interesting.

And what did your parents do? My father worked for the gas company on Long Island, and my mother did miscellaneous secretarial stuff for doctor's offices. That's cool. And did you have siblings? Yep, I had an older brother and a younger sister. Okay, cool. And do they work in science fields?

No, not at all. They're still in Long Island? Yep. Oh, nice. And you went to high school all three. throughout in Long Island. Yes, sir. And did you go to college?

I did not. Okay, cool. Did you consider it? No. It wasn't even on the table. Not for nothing. I mean, I knew back then that a college education wasn't worth the piece of paper was written on it anymore.

College used to have value because it made you special. Right. Now you're just in debt like everyone else wishing you could get a job in the trade that you wasted a lot of money on. Yeah, it's so expensive. Yeah, it's ridiculous. So expensive. That was kind of my thought.

It's like, unless you're going for like, very specialized degree. Like, you know, if you're going to be a doctor, I don't want my doctor being like freelance. Understood. But like if you're, yeah, if you're not going to STEM or something like that and you're taking on $100,000 in debt, might not be the best tradeoff.

So that was your calculation. Absolutely, yeah. I did a short stint in the Navy with the submarine service. That was interesting, but odd in and of itself. And that technically was my first experience with Raytheon because of their proximity to the submarine service. So that got my radar up when I was going down to the South Pole Station and I was being employed by Raytheon Polar Services.

So it did strike me as peculiar that, you know, a weapons contractor has the maintenance contract for these programs. Interesting. And then now Raytheon doesn't have it, but Lockheed Martin does. And it's like, really? Why are they only hire military industrial contractors to do this stuff? I mean, there's plenty of other

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Oh, absolutely. You played sports and stuff? A little bit here and there. I was more of, I guess you would say, lower middle class. So those things were like expensive hobbies that, you know, I've basically been working since I was 12 years old. Oh, really? So, yeah, you know, those were pleasantries that weren't afforded to us. What kind of jobs were you doing young?

Oh, geez. When I was 12, I was a stockboy at a paint store. I ran the gamut for like Kmart, jobs at the mall, you know. It was a different time back then because they didn't even have the child labor laws yet. So I remember I was working for Kmart on Hempstead, Turnpike, and Levitown when they changed a whole batch of child labor laws. And I was flipping out because I'm like, what the hell is? Like, it was only a few years ago when I was like 12 that I learned about taxes and was

like flipping out of my boss at the pay store. So I'm like, what do you mean? Take money out of my check. It's like it's taxes. I'm like, what are you talking about? You became like a teamster at 13. You're like smoking cigarettes. You're like, what happened to the city?

Yeah, this is, you know, kids these days. Yeah, meanwhile, you're 13. So when I was at Kmart, I was 16 years old, and they changed all these laws, and you can only work so many hours, you know, so many school nights a week, so many in a row. And I was like, what the hell does the government care how much I work, you know? And then it was cool because Kmart was like, don't worry, kid, here's what we're going to do. Like, we're going to give you these time card numbers for this day and the time cards over here. So I could work as much as I wanted, and they finagled. Oh, that's cool.

Yeah, I was totally fine with it. And so you're making, like, money all the way growing up. I always had a job. You know, I just, it was, you know, if you wanted stuff, you had to work for it. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. And then were you good at school? Did you enjoy being in school?

Did you have a lot of friends? I had a lot of friends. I had no problems in that department. I got along with almost everybody. I was more of like the kind of guy that would like kind of, I had my own group of friends, but I also, there was like other people from other groups. There was always someone in some other group that I was still friendly with that person, even though it was a different group. academically, I would say, I was just barely passing, mostly, all because I just refused to do homework and reports and stuff. I aced all the tests without even trying.

You could just sleep in class and by osmosis, I'd get like 110 on the test. But I worked. So I really didn't care about doing homework or doing reports. So at that point, you know, you can get 100 on every test. but if you're not going to do the work work, then they're like, yeah. That makes sense. Yeah.

Yeah, yeah. So it wasn't for lack of understanding. It was just, you know, I understood all the topics. It was just extremely boring to me, a waste of my time, and I would have preferred working. And even in hindsight, in reality,

I can still say, I would have been in a better position in life today if I spent those four years working and advancing my career instead of going to high school. Right. Because that's the value of our education right now. It's just crap across the board.

What's the value of a high school education? What do you really learn in high school that you, come on. You meet girls, that's important. Yeah, and then you figure out what college you're going to go get indebted to. Yeah, exactly. It's two biggest things, right? Death, debt, and women, you know what I mean?

The three inevitability. Yeah. And so growing up, did you ever have, like, paranormal experiences, any experiences of, like, like, people would call it high strangeness, like, within conspiracy circles? I guess, you know, in the, putting it that way, I just have to say yes, right? I don't talk about it much because there's not much I can do with it. It's not one of those things that I can prove, but there were times as a kid that I would say I saw weird things that I thought were, you know, I guess I'm like picturing it in my head, my bedroom window. It's Levitown, so the houses were close, you know, similar that I, you know, Brooklyn, like everything.

The properties are close, you know. You can look out your bedroom window and look into someone else's bedroom window. So I have recollections of like, I guess I would almost say like peculiar lights. in between the houses that I can't really make sense of. Hmm. Strange colors? Yeah, absolutely. So, yeah, almost like, like, how would I put it?

It would be like if, like, if a disco ball was passing through the homes and the lights coming off were all, I was looking at the passing light on the reflection of the walls and always seemed odd to me. And then with that being said, I did research, and I found out that my actual property was on what was formerly the property, and you can look this one up if you want, the Long Island Aviation Country Club, which was in the early 1900s when aviation was all the rage. And this was an aviation country club for the affluent. So Charles Lindberg was a member. Yeah. This is basically where all the folks that live on the North Shore of Long Island, all the really wealthy people, had put this airport, this country club south of the farms that service them.

So it's like, you know, we can keep our noisy air toys down over there. I believe, and this is pure speculation at this point, right? In the grand scheme of UFO disclosure and things like that, I believe that the Long Island Aviation Country Club being a focal point of aviation at a time period where it was new on this planet, right? Aviators getting up in the air. I believe there's always been some sort of UFO presence. I believe that there's always been something else in the air before we got there. So I believe places like this when they were original back then would have drawn the attention of the other things, whatever they are.

Interesting. So that when William Leavitt purchased that property where there was already, I believe, activity occurring, that when all the aviators up and moved because their property got sold, I think whatever was the other thing that had interest didn't get the notice. And they stuck around. They stuck around. And folks in that area had interactions, I believe. Bizarre. Did you know other people that saw strange lights, strange things, things like that? No, I would say negative.

But I'm looking into it. Yeah. Once I made that connection and saw that whole situation, I thought it was ripe for further research. Interesting. And how many times when you were a kid did you see stuff like this? I would say off the top of my head I can think of just maybe three or four times that I can recall. Strange. Yeah.

Did you ever get a weird feeling accompanied by it? Like internally, did you ever feel away? I'm getting a weird feeling thinking about it right now. Yeah. Yeah. Because I've heard, I spoke with a guy, James Iandoli. He's a UFOologist that lives here in New York. I actually think he's out in Jersey.

But he practices like C.E.5, close-and-chaters. And he says that when he sees lights and things like that, he gets a feeling internally. Where like he would feel a certain way. He would feel almost like euphoric. He would feel like energy. That makes sense to me. I think there's a lot to be said for the energetic level of a lot. of these things, almost like, let's just say sixth sense, so to say, that I believe there's a lot

more to us than the five senses we typically discuss. I mean, there could be 12 senses for all I know. So maybe, you know, in one of those circumstances, it triggers a sensation in one of those senses. But when you were a kid, you didn't feel that. I think when I was a kid, like now when I look at it in hindsight, and I know everybody like, oh, that's because you were a dream. It's hard for me to say it was real verse as a dream.

But now that's also because there's now so much distance between now and then. 40 years ago. Right, right. So, exactly. So, but I feel like back then it really seemed like I was waking up from sleep and witnessing this light activity. Yeah, which is not uncommon. I've heard a lot of people that have spoken about their UFO encounters and different types of, you know, high strangeness encounters. and a lot of them will be out of sleep

or in sort of like this limbic, conscious state where a lot of these experiences happen, which I find very interesting. Yeah, I'm a firm believer that there's something else going on just when we go to sleep. Just in that simple equation, I think we do not pay enough attention to the fact that we're asleep for one third of the day.

What does that even really mean? I'm going to go to sleep. Where are you going? To sleep, but are you really? Like, maybe you're going somewhere else. Yeah. I read an amazing book by Itzach Bentov called Stalking the Wild Pendulum. And one of the things that he discusses is that, you know, when we go to sleep, we're completely going somewhere else.

That, you know, if you think about this planet, right? And currently, you know, when you're awake, you're upright and you're, you know, perpendicular to the surface of the planet that you're traversing all day long. But then at night, you invert by 90 degrees and then all of a sudden you go somewhere else. And it's that 90 degree angle transformation that matters, that that's something that we can actually observe throughout many parts of nature that transformation occurs at 90 degrees. Really? It's just one of these, it's like an observable rule of life. Does he talk about any other like examples in nature that we're familiar with? I don't think that he gets too heavy into it.

I think he just vaguely references like electromagnetic frequency and how you can have a wave going this way and then the other one is 90 degrees offset from it as an observability. But I think what he was trying to do is take that vague reference and just allude to the fact that we are instigating a transfer to somewhere else

by inverting 90 degrees. It's mechanical, energetic interaction, so to say. Interesting. You know, if you lay down right now, it's going to matter. Like, if you put some type of, like, electromagnetic, like, instrument that can pick up waves, the waves it would pick up vertically would be different than horizontally. I would imagine something to that effect. Yeah, and this is probably in sleep studies all day long. Interesting.

Yeah, I would love to look into that. That's quite interesting. So, growing up was pretty typical American upbringing. Negative. of learning that that wasn't actually accurate. Oh, really? In my childhood, I appeared to become associated with something referred to as the Stargate program and or MK Ultra type stuff.

And this is where I get into deciphering my experience is the title of which I put my work out because I'm trying to get this stuff figured out. It is a monster to try to get information about what happened to me as a kid because nobody in these programs is leaving a trail of breadcrumb saying this is how we used to abuse children back on Long Island. Right. You know, there's folks that I know that have interviewed folks from the remote viewing programs in the government.

You know, these guys that were top secret back in the day doing the remote viewing programs. And I know people that interviewed them and they're like, I asked them if you were in the program and they said that you weren't. I said, you're asking people to admit to child abuse. Of course they're going to say to have no recollection of it. Right. Can you explain for people that aren't familiar what Stargate is, what the Montauk project is, things like that? So the Stargate program way back when was when the government was working on trying to understand consciousness.

Literally in that vaguest sense of the term, they wanted to understand consciousness. That book I mentioned before, stalking the wild pendulum by Etzok Benthoff, was used heavily in this program because it appears he was. He understood consciousness, as did Robert Monroe of the Monroe Institute. So between that book and the Monroe Institute protocols for remote viewing, they started working with adults. And as much as no one wants to admit it, they eventually were working with children also. Why with children? Because they had less biases built in. It made them better remote viewers because they,

didn't have any pretences. When you're remote viewing, you're not supposed to really have an opinion on what you're looking at. You're supposed to just get the info. Children are better at that because they don't harbor the biases

of experiences and adding their own prejudgments to what they're looking at. If you see a circle, you want to say, I see a circle. You don't want to start trying to imagine what it is, you know, because you're so smart

to have an experience. I saw a UFO. No, technically, you just saw a circle and now you are adding to it your experience, you know, so it's stuff like that that at the very least got them looking into working with children. You know, I think it's very easy to realize that our alphabet agencies, our factions that are willing to kill women and children of foreign lands for all kinds of definitions, right? Whether it be war, experiment, they'll do it.

what about what they're doing makes us believe that there's some imaginary geographical border that they're like but we'll only do it on that side of the line right this you're safe if you're a kid on this side of the line we're Americans yeah they would not hurt Americans they would never do illegal experiments on Americans except for all the pages and pages of one that we caught him doing in the past Tuskegee you know syphilis experiment you know

there's all kinds of stuff where they were like hey let's just fly a plane over that city and dump this stuff on them and see what happens. But don't look into that. As long as you're not looking into that, then we're fine. So all I'm doing in certain circumstances is just extrapolating my own experiences that I know, that I can't necessarily prove,

but they're my experiences and don't can take them from me. And now I'm looking into these other programs that are verifiable and just kind of saying, well, if this than that, like come on. Like, I feel like most times when we investigate folks for, you know, nefarious activities, more often than not, once we shine a light on it, we find that it's going on. Right. I mean, if I'm wrong, find me all of the stuff where you can say, hey, they looked into so-and-so doing bad stuff. And it turns out he was clean his whistle.

He was just the most honest guy we ever met. There's smoke. There's fire. Always. Yeah. People, bad people seem to be taking advantage every opportunity that they have. It's that simple. If you can think of something evil, someone's already doing it.

There's five people vying to be the best at it. And so what is remote viewing again? Remote viewing is the ability to have information in your head basically and you're right. And they have no idea why you're right because there's no reason for you to be right. as weird as this sounds, it's like if you have no experience in something, like if I somehow could prove that you've never left

the United States, but we want you to remote view this room in Bangkok, China. Well, if it comes back that you're, you know, it'll be like if I was never in this room before. Never saw it, never anything about it, but they said, you know, we're going to give you coordinates and we want you to remote view this location.

If I start pinning down every detail of this room, it's strange. It is strange. It's completely strange. The oddity is that it can be done and somebody can be that accurate. There are people that are very skilled at this. Right. And it is wholly strange, but very real and very verifiable. And yeah, it would freak you out if people start coming back with this quality intel.

Right. And this is what they learned about remote viewing is that technically everything is knowable and nothing can be hidden. And this covers all of time and space. That is the high level of strangeness. This is what they learned. through working with people and studying consciousness. Yeah, I spoke with Richard Dolan. Yes, that was a great conversation.

As you know, and his wife is a remote viewer, and he spoke at length about her ability to know and test her remote viewing ability just based off coordinates to places that she's never been to. And he even referenced specific military documents that were declassified of understanding military positions through remote viewing, which kind of blew my mind. It seems too good to be true. That's one of those things...

Understood. Seems wild. It is, it of course seems wild. Yeah. But these projects like Stargate and things like that. Uh-huh. Is that conspiracy, you know, out there mumbo-jumbo or is that actually declassified government documents? Declassified and referenceable.

They didn't declassify every document. But if you go to the CIA website, there's a tab called Crest and they had 25,000 documents when they first pumped that out. But I believe they keep adding to it. And you can go in there yourself. You can do a freedom of request, freedom of information, request right on the website and start pulling up things all day long. Yeah, I think the most popular depiction of this in pop culture, at least for me, is like stranger things.

I don't know if you've seen it. I have. Or 11 is obviously a remote viewer and a child that was raised within some type of experimental lab where she was doing remote viewing. And she was basically able to get given a position, you know, go into a sensory deprivation tank, close her eyes. and she was able to see things in places that she should have no business seeing, even into different dimensions, you know, within the show.

Yep, like I said before, all time and space is accessible. Right. The Montauk project, I understand, was a similar... That's the exact same thing. The show Stranger Things was supposed to go on air initially as titled Montauk. They told me never getting this on air as Montauk. The producers of Stranger Things were inspired by a documentary made by a Long Islander.

Christopher Garatano made a documentary called the Montauk Chronicles, which was very good, covering the Montauk project and the Montauk boys and what was going on. And it was that documentary that inspired the producers to make the show Stranger Things. Interesting. And now this obviously relates to you in some way because if anyone's not familiar with the geography of New York,

Montauk is one of the farthest cities in New York proper out on Long Island. It's all the way at the end. Yep, so that's why they call it Montauk, The End. Oh, is that what it means? Absolutely. You see, it's the shirts and the... Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, so the further you get out and you get to Montauk, and the shirts and the stickers and the hats, it says Montauk, the end. Interesting, yeah, yeah, I've seen that. So what is your connection with Stargate and with remote viewing programs as a kid? We had a program in my school, so I would get pulled out of my regular curriculum classes, brought to the library, and we were being trained. in the Monroe Institute protocols for remote viewing and practicing them. How old are you?

It would have been pretty much all my grammar school years. So I would guess to me. I'm trying to think as far. I put it this way. It's as far back as I can remember in grammar school. So I'm going to guess that it probably started in first grade. First grade or like fifth grade? I would say first grade to probably seventh grade of my direct recollections.

So probably like. seven years old to like 12, 11, something like that? I think those are how I just worked on. Yeah, I'm guessing too. Yeah, I'd say probably 7 to 12 sounds about fair. That's wild. And what year was this? If you can remember.

That would have been probably 81, 82 for about that when it started. Wow. And so just in your school, they were pulling out. Were they pulling out other kids as well? Yes, absolutely. How many kids roughly, if you can remember? Ooh, I would say there was maybe 8 to 10 of us, I think. I'm trying to picture the layout of the library

and how they had it set up with the tables and all of that stuff. So I think they had about eight to ten positions where we were all being handled individually, I guess you would say. Was there a selection process? Yes, I think it had to do with the standardized testing and that there was also

we would be brought down to the library prior to being in the program. I think they were doing testing with us to check for proficiency, the certain characteristics that they're looking for and I think they were filtering to just see who had what abilities. And I'm assuming you did well on the standardized test. Oh, absolutely.

Yeah, I used to crush those tests. No homework involved. Nothing, yeah. I had a high aptitude as a child. Right. I remember like I-O tests and things like that, you know, the Scantron things. And we would do those pretty regularly. And I always remember there was the charts.

There was a bar graph basically, and it would show, you know, where your scores were. And then, you know, the scores for your local community, the scores nationally and how you fit on average. And I would remember laughing. I'm sorry, it was a line graph. And you could see the line jumping, you know, for all the stuff. And then mine just went straight across the top. Wow. It just was pinned just like as high as you can go across the whole thing.

So, interesting. So you think that's why you were selected for the program. I think that had a portion to do it that I think. I think the ability to do well with the information in school with ease was something that they were looking for. I guess comprehension. I had very good comprehension skills. I was reading multiple years above my grade level and mathematics as well. I was very advanced for the grade that I was in, but my mother wouldn't allow me to be advanced per grade.

So actually I would sit in the classroom for the students that I was the same age as and I would have to do all of the work that they were doing But then the teachers from the higher grades would also come in and give me more work to do And I would just get it all done and do well and so I did very well academically But I think that there were also I guess you would just say more personal things So I guess Besides aptitude I think there was mental stuff that they were looking for also.

And I think that has to do with bloodline stuff, I guess I would put it as. Like generational trauma is what's coming to mind, is that that matters to them. There's a certain aspect of humanity that has been put through a process that is advantageous for them. and it has to do with, I guess you would say, mental divergence that you can go different places, consider different things, a bit more open-minded. So when you say bloodline and generational trauma, do you mean things that happened to you

or things that happened in your family lineage? All the above. Really? Yes, but we're learning, or what we've learned, what I'm learning, is that you're the end result of the six generations before you. So this is how they have, like, you know, what they call like, you know,

100th monkey experiment, or when they say that, you know, animals have instincts. Well, it's the generational trauma that makes, you know, one certain animal inherently afraid of another certain animal, even though that animal might not have seen the other one before. So their first instinct is to be, like, oh, I have to be pensive.

How a cat is afraid of a cucumber, because it's built into its mind that that's a snake. Fair enough. Yeah. Have you ever seen these videos? I have, actually. You put a cucumber near a cat, they freak out. Yeah. Because in their brain, they go, a snake.

There you go. So stuff like that is generational trauma. And there are also things in that capacity that can be searched for. And that there are things that go along with that are advantageous to the programs that they're trying to function these children in. So there's like an interview process where they might ask you. Do you remember anything that they asked you? I know this is a long time.

Not so much the interview process. I don't so much on that one. I remember more of the, I guess you would say, the practical application where we would get into doing what we're called like ideograms and the questions that they would ask. I always remember that stuff because it, you know Superman and the comic series and there was Bizarro who was like the opposite of Superman? And it was like alternate universe. Yeah, exactly. So I used to think of going to the library as bizarre a world. It was how I thought of it as a kid because it was like the opposite of everything that I knew.

And it was so obvious to me at that time that it was making no sense. In what way? I went to a very old school, strict Catholic school. So there's right and there's wrong. And they'll whack you in the head for wrong. So you learn to be right and you learned what the line was. but the library was bizarre a world because everything was right.

There was no wrong, which now made everything a shade of gray. So like when you would do the ideogram and they would start doing the remote viewing protocols, they would start asking you questions. Like, Eric, you know, do you see mountains or do you see a lake? And just say whatever comes to mind because whatever you say is right.

And like they weren't explaining to us what we were doing. They were just presenting that simply. like draw a squiggly line. Now do you see a lake or do you see mountains? And so from my perspective, I was like, what is this? Yeah. What is going on in this room? Yeah.

How do I pass this test? Like, what is the right answer? Right. But I didn't realize what they were doing to us. So when I would see mountains and say mountains, well, I was remote viewing. And I was right. And they were going off of that and then taking the information that we were doing with these practical exams and doing stuff with it. But they weren't telling us what was.

going on. So from my experiential recollections of those events, it made no sense. You know, so for many years, if I thought about what was going on in the library, I just think of it as like, that was the most ridiculous, nonsensical stuff ever, until I started

as an adult, looking into, well, what is the Monroe Institute protocols? How does this? I mean, you can look up videos now and see, this is, you know, Major Ed Dames, who was big in the program, I saw a video where he was doing the session with his own son. So it's like really mind-numbing for me because I was like, wow,

this is literally running a kid. This is literally what we were doing. Wow. And he would have his son to the end. And then you just put the pen on and they ask you a question. What do you see? What color? And, you know, they just start going through the motions of the protocols and you get info.

And my jaw was hitting the floor because I'm like, that's what we were doing. Did you ever talk to your parents about it? I speak to my father about it now. And did they get informed when you were a kid that you were going to be doing this specialized program? He did not know. And they just pulled you out of class and started doing it to you. Correct.

Parental permission. Correct. Did they tell you not to tell your parents? I don't recall them saying that. I don't think that they had to. I believe that the format for what I was doing, I mean, it was a different world back then. Sure. As long as you weren't getting in trouble, you tried to kind of avoid your parents.

parents. I was the textbook latchkey kid growing up. So for the most part, if my parents were around, I was avoiding them. You know, they had jobs. I had a job. They're going to ask me if I did my homework. I didn't do my homework. So it's just, I would just avoid them. And if there was no problems at school, if there's nothing to bring up, which if there was a problem at school, I wouldn't bring that up anyhow. Interesting. Because it's going to be another problem for me. If you've gotten a fight or something, I would never. Yeah, I would just, I would just avoid so that there's not any more problems and I never thought to myself that what was going on in school wouldn't have been approved by my parents.

Right, because it's school. Yeah, I just figured it's school. This is what it must be what we're supposed to be doing. They said, get out of class, go to the library and answer these questions. Of course, I'm going to just do it. Right. Now, I just want to clarify something you mentioned a little earlier because I know there's going to be people in the comments that are pointing this out.

You had said that you were doing well in school and that other teachers were bringing you homework and like different work to do. course work yeah so can you just make that distinction because you had said before that you weren't doing homework and academic it wasn't homework okay it was class work they were bringing me more work from the other um grade levels and classes to do in school oh really yeah okay so like in a class you would finish the work for that class and then the other teachers would be like yo this kid needs more shit to do he's like sitting around yes and then they would bring you other shit to do in class yes i see okay so your grades were not doing great because you weren't doing the homework

Correct. But academically the teachers were like, you know, this kid's smart and he's doing shit. Is that a fair estimation? Yeah, absolutely. Got it. Okay. And then did you ever have teachers that were like, you know, Eric, like you're smart. Why are you not doing good?

Yeah, absolutely. And like, what was that conversation like? Like, I can imagine them being frustrated like, dude, you could. Yeah, I would often get there to say you're not applying yourself. Yeah. You can do so much better. You're not applying yourself. It just didn't make sense to me at the time, to be honest with you.

I remember them saying. that. But I didn't know what to do with that information. That's interesting. And so now back to remote viewing, can you explain like what the actual things you were doing? So they would squiggle on a piece of paper and be like, what do you see, almost like a roar shack? Is that a fair? Yes, it's similar. It has more to, that's, that's what they're doing is they would ask a series of questions and they would want to get your answers because they appreciated what you were doing. They knew this kid's actively remote viewing and we are going to trust what he says

because we had gone through the program we got trained and that's just, you know, I get that other folks out there might think that it's woo-woo, but that's on them. It's a proven protocol. They've used this for decades now functionally. So we just happened to be in a room

where everyone was taking it very seriously. And from what my understanding is now is that this is how these remote viewing teams work. They basically just get a whole bunch of good remote viewers. And it's like everybody has a specialty. So one person might be good with colors. One person might be good with faces.

Another one might be good with geographies. So they have a filtering process to learn that. What is your skill set? Interesting. And then with that, they can put together a team and they can start gathering intel and with a high level of effectiveness. Wow.

Of knowing things you have no reason to know. I mean, a lot of folks don't know this, but the movie The Hunt for Red October, that was the product of remote viewing. That submarine was first learned about by a remote viewer. And they found it being built inland. And it was remote viewed first. That's how they came across that info. And that's the basis of that movie The Hunt for Red October. I think this is what Richard was bringing up.

I believe he did touch on that. Yeah, in the podcast we did. This is, and I could be giving credit to the wrong guy, but I believe it was Pat Price was the remote viewer that first found the Red October being constructed. It might have been Joe McConagall. But one of those guys was, and it's referensible to one of these characters,

I just am bad with names. I'm sure the remote viewing this right now getting pissed off. I'm not said they're like, come on, Eric. It was me, dude. Come on. That's crazy. Yeah, that's very, very interesting. And was it every week you were going in and doing this?

I don't think it was every week I don't I think maybe like twice a month would be my best estimate maybe once a month And do you know what your specialty was? No, because they weren't telling us at the time at all

what we were doing That's why I said it was like bizarre a world Was that like kind of compartmentalized and cryptic? What do they need to tell us anything for? But you seem like a curious kid I'm sure you were right Yeah, well they told us many times that what we were doing

was we were, we were working with toy companies to find out what the next new toys to be made for kids that, like, that's what we're getting at. It was such a racket. It was really, it was really a joke. So, like, there were times where we would show up to the library and under that spiel. And they would, like, take, like, a shoebox and dump it on the table of toys. and they would be like, play with the toys so that we can assess you know, what the next...

And it's, I swear to God, it was like, it seemed like now in hindsight, like they were just lazy feds, right? That they were like, oh, we were supposed to bring toys for the toy covers. Quick, stop at some... Stop at that garage sale

and pick up a box of toys because it was like, they were putting down like a box of like old junk from like the 1940s or something. like some old war like it was just like what this is a joke like it was like again it made no sense because it was like what do you mean you want me to you want me to play with these toys so that that guy could stare at me and figure out what the next new GI Joe guy is going to be like this doesn't make any sense strange yeah and did it take like a whole class period whenever you went to do it

yes it was it a whole day or just like the class no it was um I would say it was class periods maybe maybe two were other kids jealous like if I was in school and one kid was going to play with toys for two hours. We were, yes, and I believe that was a tool. I've seen, so I believe that this is how compartmentalization works on many levels is it's an ego stroke. So as children, we were being pulled out of class, and we were being put on a pedestal in front of the other children.

We were being called, like, the smart kids as the other kids had to stay in the classroom. We were having our egos padded big time. So like when we left the classroom We were all like high-fiving each other Like run into the library But like come on We're the smart kids Like we really were getting ego stroke hard

And it was working Wow Like we really thought we were the shit And you think it's on purpose Like on some Stanford prison experiment Yes absolutely Exactly You guys are the guards like

Don't let these other kids fuck with you And you're better than them Yeah absolutely They were pumping us up hardcore Weird That's so wild And then so you're doing this Maybe you know

couple times of school year, a month, every month or so, a couple hours a day doing it. Do you remember actively remote viewing? Like if you drew a squiggle on a piece of paper and we're like, hey, what do you see here? I would kind of just like into it, kind of what I saw. When you as a kid were remote viewing, were you actually seeing something in your mind's eye? Or were you kind of just in fantasy land as a kid saying something? I think of it as a knowing. It's, the answer is just present.

So like if they ask you like Did you see trees or a lake that The answer is just there I don't actually have to like physically see the mountains I don't have to physically see the lake So the viewing part for me is less an appropriate term I would prefer knowing Is more comfortable for me to just say I'm remote knowing

I know the answer you ask me the question I know the answer they say how do you know it Because that's the answer I know And that in a way to me, like, that was my job at that time. They needed me to know something, and I knew it. Interesting.

Which was extremely difficult in a lot of the rest of my angles of school because I did get comfortable with that exchange in the library because of the ego stroking, right? So it did become problematic in other aspects of school, where they were like, you know, we want you to show the work, we want you to do this. And I started getting mad because, I knew the answer.

I knew it was right. It didn't have to show any work. So I think there were times where I was remote viewing practically for other things and I was getting the knowing but the teachers would be like you have to be able to show the work.

You can't just know that. And I'm like, I don't know what to tell you. I didn't have, they'd be like, how did you get that answer? I'm like, because I know it. And they were like, but you didn't do any of the work. Now I don't have to do the work. Like a history class? Like which president did this?

Like math. Like math. Like whole calculations. Like sometimes they're just, I don't know what to tell you. like you put the question there and I look and I know the answer. I didn't like need to do the work. Right. In the same way with the remote view experiment.

Right. You didn't need to explain why it was mountains. It just was mountains. You asked me the question at this, is it mountains or a lake? It's mountains. You ask and I know the answer. But it's not visual. Like if I asked you like-

No, it was not visual for me, but I don't want to, I don't want to speak for everybody else. Sure, sure. Some people, it absolutely is a visual thing. There's all kinds of different sensations that I've heard people apply to the process of them getting their knowing. So if I were to say, like, you know, and you don't have to do it, but like, oh, what color is the building that I live in? Right. You wouldn't, like, see my building and see the door and see like, oh, that's the color.

Right. You would just have a feeling and blur out of color. I would just know the answer. Right. Yeah. Interesting. Very, very strange. And I'm assuming, you know, different people that, you know, claim to have the ability of remote viewing would probably have different interpretations of how they do it.

Yeah. And this- I think a lot of this stuff collectively we lack a vocabulary for because we haven't as a group been discussing it. So I think as individuals, we're all coming at it from a vernacular that's most comfortable to us as individuals from our own experiences. And this is why I think we need to discuss these things like human beings because I believe we all have the capacity to do these things. I believe for the most part, we're all doing them to some level. but we're not paying attention to it and we're not getting a common vocabulary for it.

Hmm. And so when does this program end for you? I don't know that it has. What's up guys? We're going to take a break really quick because it's 2024. And it's time to talk about something important. When you are seriously hurt, your injury could be worth millions.

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any reason to believe that they've ever let go of me. Okay, this is interesting. So by the time you're in like 6th, 7th grade, you're no longer going in for sessions with researchers doing the actual process.

I would agree with, yeah, from seventh, I would say six, seventh grade, I think the library visits dissipated. Did they ever tell you like, hey, Eric, thanks so much for everything. Nope. You just didn't get pulled out of class anymore.

Yeah, they probably just told us it was over or something like that. And by the time you're seventh grade, like you're probably 12, 13-ish, like you're not like a little kid. You have a little bit more agency and autonomy. Are you at that point talking to other kids in the program?

like, you know, these toys that we keep playing with that we've been playing with for a couple years. I think we did discuss stuff like that regularly that we thought that was ridiculous. Really? Yeah. And what was the conclusion amongst like your classmates that were also in the program?

Mostly that at least we got out of class. Wow. That was pretty much the general concept was we got to get out of class so that we felt, again, special in that way. One of the things that I do recall as being extremely odd was they gave us eye drops upon entering the library.

And this is a big one for me because through my research, I wholly believe that it was some sort of experimental LSD that this was found that they were doing experiments in other directions in remote viewing and such in MK Ultra to see if there was a way to expedite getting into certain paradigms. So they would bring us into the library And they had And this is just how I recall it

Sure They had a very cute girl at the table Which I think was supposed to You know, bring the barriers down So you know Oh wow, this really cute girl You know wow this is great to come into the library You know I was

And they were they were young too So it was like For someone in a professional career I mean these girls were maybe in their late 18s, early 20s, it seemed like, but they were there to attend to us. And we would get into the library, sit down, and we had Catholic school uniforms. So, I mean, already standing orders where, you know, you don't mess up your uniform. That's a big problem.

So we would sit in the chair, put our heads back. The attendant girl would go to put the drops in. She would have a tissue that she would put by the corner of your eye. And she would tell you, make sure you stay still so you don't get this and stay in your uniform. And you would seize up because, like, that was smart, you know, if she's going to say, you know, you don't want to stay in uniform, you really didn't. So they would administer some eyedrops, which I think had to do with some of the machinery

that they would make us use. And I realized that upon departing the library, there was like a little debrief time at the end. And I'd try to expedite the debrief because I realize that if I get out early enough, there's some time in between that I don't have to get back to class. We had these large south-facing windows, and there was a side effect with the eyedrops

that I thought was really cool, which was that it was like having yellow sunglasses on. So when I would exit the library and get into the front lobby, all of the light coming, everything was just, it was yellow. It was like, and I just thought it was cool. You know, as a kid, I didn't, I had no idea what they were doing. But again, I just assumed it must be okay.

It's happening in school. Of course, my parents must know. And it can't be bad. I mean, it's just cool, yellow tint in my eyes. You know, but like I said, I've spoken to my father. He had no idea what was going on in the library. He gave no authorization for anybody to be putting eye drops in his kid's eyes. Yeah.

You know, that seems like the part, you know, before, because you had mentioned that like there's a bit of like an insidiousness about doing this with children. And obviously working with children without any type of parental permission is obviously wrong. Correct. But if they're just making you look at some, you know, squiggles on a piece of paper, it doesn't seem that egregious to me. Understood. But now as soon as they're putting drops in your eyes, even if it's just a regular. eye drop. Even if it is, it's still like... It's like, why are you fuck with my kids' eyes?

Like what I'm talking about? Yes. And then if you were under the impression that it's not just saline or whatever is in an eyedrop. It had a side effect unlike any saline I've ever used before. Bizarre. Yeah. And what leads you to believe that it could be experimental LSD? Just from research that I've come across in other programs where they were looking into

these things. I forget the actual title of the product, but there was a name for a particular LSD that they made. manufactured that was fast acting but low yield so it would wear off fast as well. So it'd come on quickly, be there for a bit, but then fade out fast as well. Was there a psychedelic effect beyond just like the visual yellowing that you saw? Not to my recollection, no, actually. The yellowing was noticeable.

But I think outside of that, I don't think I was having any, you know, LSD-type trippy thing. I think it just had more to do with, I guess, for last. of a better term, but, you know, people say like opening your third eye, that type of stuff, just giving you a little bit better clarity with whatever this vision skill was that allowed you to know. I think they were looking to try to enhance that to get you into that field quicker or deeper or something to that effect. So there's no tangible effect while you were doing the remote viewing that was like,

oh, I'm on drugs. No, I don't think so. Gotcha. I don't think I ever thought that at the time. Interesting. This is so strange. I mean, if they're making you test toys, why are they putting eyedrops in your head?

This is so weird. And then you mentioned before that you're using some machinery. Yes. What is that? There was an item that, to the best of my knowledge, was called a tequistoscope, and it was this device that you would look into, they would put these headphones on us,

and then you would lean into this thing, and it was like, it had depth to it. I think of it almost like a giant viewfinder. It was kind of like antiquated, looking, but you would look into this thing and they would play videos, I mean, which now that I think about it sounds funny because it's the early 80s. So it was technologically ahead of the curve. But you would look in this thing, there'd be pictures, images, videos, but then they'd also,

excuse me, there'd be like a question. So they'd show you some stuff, there'd be a question. And then a yellow, like four-way, almost like a large plus sign would show up to break the black screen into a grid of four, and there'd be four answers. It makes me wonder if the yellow tinge, because the lettering and the image on the screen looked yellowish. So part of me wonders if it was actually white, and it was just the eye drop making it yellow at that point, I'm not sure. But the thing that kind of freaked me out that I focused on a lot at the time, which is

a strong recollection for me, was I remember that when that grid popped up and the four answers were there. You just simply looked at one of the four answers and it registered your selection. And I remember being just, I thought that was the coolest thing ever. I really keyed in on that as a little kid because I knew at the time, like how advanced that was and how out of the ordinary that was. And I just, I spent so much time, like, it was almost like I was dissociated. Like, I was doing the test and everything, but it was almost like there was a version of me that was now outside of myself, just watching me do this, and was just so impressed by this technology. Yeah, because again, I'm going to do it again. Early 80s, like, just to give people

a sense, like, is the Atari even out? Yes. So the Atari's out. DicoVision, Atari, there was no Super Nintendo yet. Okay, so you're playing very rudimentary video games. Like, computers are pretty rare. They don't exist yet. I mean, when you're talking to early 80s, like, I actually, a few years later, you know, I was working on Apple 2 E's. We had a computer lab. I was in a computer course.

We were getting DOSH training. You know, I mean, that's how this predates DOSH training. Right. So you had never been on the internet. No, no, this was way before the internet was even, you know, a wet dream. Yeah, but you had a TV in your home, I'm assuming. Yeah, didn't have cable yet. Oh, wow.

So it was all like satellite bunny ears kind of thing? Yeah, yeah. And so the idea of looking into this viewfinder and seeing images and videos. And making a selection by where your eyes look at. I mean, that was Star Trek at that point. Yeah. That was Star Trek level stuff. Yeah, that's pretty strange.

Can you give an example of, like, I don't know this a long time ago, but like what some of the questions would been or like what an example? They were, they were relative to what we were watching. It was about whatever we were watching and it would ask you a question. And I think it was like trying to see what you could notice. And I believe that's what the function of a tequistoscope is, is that it puts images in front of you, but then embeds other stuff almost like hidden subconscious stuff. and what they're doing is figuring out a way to train the brain faster

was what the purpose was, the intent, was to try to be able to flash a bunch of images and almost like train you without you knowing you're being trained. So I think a lot of it had to do with them trying to get you to learn stuff and that was checking to see if you were actually absorbing it. Wow. Now was it video? Was it pictures?

Do you remember? It was, I believe, mostly pictures. flashing and when I say video it would just be quick clips like like a like a couple of seconds wow and then I'd go to like the neck it wasn't a long it's not like watching a YouTube video sure sure sure yeah it was just flashes of things and then a question that they would ask you yes would be like you know what was this character doing in the yeah yeah I see and then you would look at ABC and D yes you just and it wouldn't even say it was just four four answers like say four words and it just had that extensive

extended yellow cross in the middle to make it appear as fourth different sections, and you would just look at the one that you knew was right. Wow. And then it would know, I guess, that you picked one, and then it would get back to the flashing. And they did have headphones on, so there were weird noises playing, which now my understanding is that they're binural beats. Oh, I've heard of this. Yeah. This is what they do in remote viewing protocols, is they have you listen to binaural beats. It takes the two hemispheres of your brain.

Basically, what it does is it puts a sound in your head at one frequency and your ear at one frequency. And then it puts a sound in the other ear in a different frequency. And it causes basically the two sides of your brain to be hearing two different things. And then there's a discrepancy that has to be accommodated for, which then causes your two hemispheres to sink better. Wow. Yeah, so again, it goes back into what is consciousness. What are we?

What can we do? And they were just playing back then. They were trying to figure out what can we do. What don't we know yet about who we are and consciousness? Can you find examples of these binary beat, like, audios on YouTube? Extremely referenceable. And have you ever looked into them and found one that you feel like, oh, this is what I heard? Absolutely.

Really? Yep. Wow. I would love for you to submit that. I'll link it in the description. The actual, you can look up the Robert Monroe Institute specific hemisink audios. And they are legit. Like I straight up was listening to one time and I was flipping out because I was having

dead recollection to when I was a kid. I knew what was coming. As I was listening to it for, you know, as an adult. what I thought was the first time, I knew what parts were coming. I was like, holy shit, this is what we were listening to. So just point out for me, is it one of these? Oh, geez.

I'm just going to pull this up. And we can speed this up in the edit, so don't feel constrained on time here. 10-4. At a pleasing volume level. Do this now. This type of stuff. Yeah, that background did. Now, obviously, with headphones, it would be...

It's actually, I don't even, I don't actually know that you can get true, excuse me, hemisink out of this. I believe there's very specific systems. That's separating the waveform, so one is purely one frequency, one is purely the other frequency. I think you need to have a very specific system to pull off true binaural beat application. So I don't want to prophesize that this is the... Sure. Correct. This was the type of sound.

Correct. So now I have listened to these both the Robert Monroe stuff and then also is it Jose Silva? Silver Ultra Mind is another program that I, through my research as an adult

delved into to find that I had done this before where I started going through the protocols and knew what was coming because I had done it. It was just I didn't, hadn't dawned on me.

It was something I hadn't done since I was a kid. But going through the speeches and the sounds and stuff, again, it was like, I would get to a certain point and be like, I know this, he's about to say such and then he would say it. And I'm like, holy shit. And what were the researchers like that you were with that were sort of accompanying it?

I don't think I spent that much time looking around the room more so than paying attention to whoever the attendant was. They were doing well with occupying our time. Like once we got in there, it was like, you know, oh, right, this is the person that you were. Like, I know the room had at least an attendant for every other kid.

And there was a couple to a few people kind of walking around the room supervising. But I didn't pay that much attention to them. Right. Older, younger? They were older. Yeah. Yes. The girls at the, the, girls that,

the table, the handlers were noticeably younger than the people walking around the room. So strange. I also remember the nun that ran the library is odd. It was very odd. So when we entered the library, it was also very weird

because they had all the drapes closed, so it was dark. And it was very peculiar. It was the only time I ever saw the curtains drawn like that, so it stuck out as odd. And then the nun that ran the library It was weird because, like, normally, you know, she was in there doing stuff.

But when we went in to do this stuff, she was just sat over to one side and she was just sitting, like, down. And she just wasn't doing anything. It was like she got turned off or something. You feel like she had guilt or something associated with it. Maybe. I just, I didn't think of it that much at the time. But now as an adult, yeah, maybe she had some guilt about what was going on. I just remember it seemed peculiar because it was like, why does she even need to be here?

You know, if she's just going to just sit like this doing nothing, you know, what's even the point of her being here right now? Do you feel like you carry any trauma from the experience? Oh, tons. Really? Yeah, absolutely. I've done regressions, I guess you would say. Like past life regressions? No, well, not past life.

This, that experience, the library. So I've done regressions with folks to try to bring me back to that time and space. And what is a regression? I don't know the word for it. Is it like a therapeutic thing? Is it like a hypnosis type thing? Is it like a hypnosis type thing? It would be the best way to put it.

A lot of these things, I don't know what these people do. I call them energy workers as an umbrella term. There's a lot of people that do all kinds of things that I'm not looking to disrespect to discount what they do. It's just I understand that I don't understand it. But I'm not going to dismiss it because I've certainly seen and experienced enough weird stuff of my own that I believe that some people have amazing capacities to do things we don't understand.

There are certainly snake oil salesmen out there as well and we have to be careful, but I've worked with some quality energy workers. I see, okay. I just wanted to distinct if it was colloquially, like I was just reflecting on it? No, no, no, no, no. I was working with someone who had a skill set.

It's metaphysical in some way. Correct. They were doing something. I mean, I've had people walk around in my head where I can straight up like feel it to the point where it was really creepy to myself, but I can't deny the experience, you know, where they're like, I want you to go back and I want you to think about, and then all of a sudden they're like, right there, that, what you were just, that right there.

And I'm like, how did they just see? Like, there was something going on that I can't explain, but the best way for me to put it was like someone else was walking through my own memory banks and like pulling files out, so to say. This is going to be obvious, but it's necessary to ask. You weren't doing any drugs at this time when you were doing these. these regressions. No.

Fully sober. Yeah, fully sober. It just, I couldn't begin to explain it. I can just say I experienced it. There's a fistful of people that I've worked with in that capacity that I was very impressed by what they can do. There's other people that I think are completely full of garbage. There's a lot of people talking about skill sets that they've never tested.

But I think there's a lot of people that can test their work, improve their work, and it's watertight. And you specifically went to them to. to try to unpack the trauma from these Stargate experiments that you were a part of. Absolutely. There was a lot of child abuse involved. There was stuff going on in that library that wasn't just academic. Would you mind speaking to that component?

Yeah. There was, how do I put it? There were times where we were brought into the library as well where we were told it's like nap time. Yeah, really creepy. and there were like now little bed pads in the dark library and that there were strange adults being brought in. So it got really peculiar, really fast. There were things in that direction,

I don't have recollections for that in these regressions, you know, they say, we're going to contact your higher self and ask these things. And in these dialogues, my higher self responded that, I don't need to know what happened then. It's not necessary. Water under the bridge. Leave it along.

And so there would be hours during these sessions that you would just kind of go offline. Yes. And then you would come back to the class. At the very least, from this perspective, where I am now, that's how it looks. And that's what you would call dissociating. Right. This is completely natural. This is another thing that we see going on around us a lot right now with adults.

Because it's completely natural. Mother Nature has processes to help traumatized children. It's called dissociating. Right. Or we'd all be horrible adults if we had all of these memories at the front end of our thought process. Yeah, we've all gone through trauma. Right. So this is just Mother Nature doing what Mother Nature does and protecting young children when they get traumatized.

It's appropriate. Do you feel like the abuse? And I want to be careful. I don't want to, if you don't want to speak about specifically. No, no, no, it's all right. It's challenging, but this stuff has to get out there. This is reality. Did you personally, to what you can intuit, endure any type of abuse in that regard in those sessions?

Yes. In different sessions. So there were other times that I have more recollections of. So we used to get brought out of school for what we would be told was a retreat. Let's say if it was religious. We used to get brought to a facility. I forget if it was considered Roslyn or Searingtown, but I was a, the St. Ignatius Loyola Retreat House on Long Island, which has since been knocked down.

It was originally built by the Brady family, who was Jesuit-oriented big time. And at the time of its construction, it was the fourth largest residence in the country. And this facility was donated to the Jesuits and then used. to educate children, so to say. And we used to go there. So imagine, you know, you're going on a field trip for school, and you show up to this place where all these other buses are showing up. So we would get out of our buses, you know, our administrators,

have everybody line up, and now you're going to go in. But I would always get peeled off. And me and a fistful of all the kids would get peeled off and, oh, you're going to go this way. And I did have in a regression, one of the folks she said to me, She goes, well, hold on. She goes, when they peels you off, you said you, they bring you around the back. She goes, but they stopped you there, didn't they?

And all of a sudden I had this record. And I'm like, you're right. And it was like one of these moments where she gathered a memory back right for me. And I was like, you're right. Before we went around back, they had a tray with, you know, we used to have the little wax paper bags, almost like goody bags from party when we were little. And they gave us snacks first before we were there.

She goes, those snacks weren't just snacks. I'm like, wow. I'm like, and she was helping make the connection. But that part I hadn't had recall of. She filled it in. It was very helpful. But I did have recollection that we would then get brought around to the back end of this place. And again, so it's like an old school, gilded age mansion.

Like just freakish opulence and all this stuff. They would bring us up into what was this massive room. And it was like it was T-shaped. And we would enter from the T-side. and then this other end was full of adults in folding chairs and there was like a stage in front of them. And we would get brought into this room and my recollections are short but extremely clear up until a certain point.

We would be entering this room. There was children from other Catholic schools there and the distinction is the different plaids and colors. Like, you know, my school we had, you know, a particular plaid pattern for the girls and we had, you know, light blue shirts. And other school might have a different color plaid and light yellow shirts. So definitively different Catholic school kids.

But I remember walking into that room and the girls had their button-up blouses off. They just had their undershirts on. And we were in form, oh, it's okay. Come on it. It's okay. Don't. It's hot. You guys can take off your shirts too because it's so hot in here.

And we want you to be comfortable. And again, it felt really wrong and odd at the time, but not much we can do about it. Long story short, we were being brought to perform in front of those people. As horrible as it sounds, and it's not something I can prove. I can just tell you that's what I experienced. What? Was it, I mean, it's obviously sexual. Was it overtly sexual?

Absolutely. These performances? Mm-hmm. And how many adults would be in attendance? A crowd. What? It was like doing a show. I mean, you're on a stage and there's a crowd of people.

And they would encourage you to do things with other kids? With other kids. Other female kids. Sexual. Yeah. Avertly sexual. Yep. And this is part of these MK Ultra programs.

This is how you traumatize children and how you get them to dissociate. I call it. ID ID, induced dissociative identity disorder. Mother Nature can do it naturally. Or people that are aware of what occurs when you fracture a mind through trauma can induce it to bring it on. I mean, this is. It's nuts. But this is what I'm trying to get out to the world is that for the most part, parents have no idea what's happening to their kids when they discharge them to somebody else's care every day.

Mm-hmm. And so, and how old were you when those experiences happened? That, I would say, which probably on the later side, that would have been probably into the seventh and eighth grade years. Really? Yep. That's why I said that I don't think I got out of the program. I think what happened was it was more like chapters in a book. Like, well, six chapters was doing it this way, but now you've graduated to this level of trauma. And now we're going to do other things to you?

Oh, my gosh. This is wild. And you never told anyone about it? I mean, in the moment, did it feel wrong to you? I think a lot of that, I think I dissociated for a very long time. And it wasn't in my memory banks. That it's just something that I just effectively pushed away. And what about these other kids?

I mean, there's dozens of other kids involved, right? I have had other former classmates just simply reach out to me. and say keep doing what you're doing. And have you ever tried to speak with them about like taking this to police or... No. Why? Because you can't prove anything.

I mean, if all these other kids can corroborate it, right? Oh, none of these kids want to talk. Really? That's why I said. They just simply say keep doing what you're doing. They don't say I'm going to help you. Because they're afraid? Do you feel like...

I haven't discussed it with them. It's not my position to really out. anybody else in that capacity. Yeah. I mean, this is pretty heavy. Yeah. I mean, it's, again, like I was saying before, we, the parents of this planet, we need to pay a lot more attention to what's happening to our children.

Yeah. Because this happened, you know, right under the noses of my parents and other people's parents. You know, people, I mean, the extent of what can be going wrong every day. I don't think people are really considering it. Yeah. I mean, we've seen with obviously innumerable accounts of, you know, the Catholic Church in Boston. Totally.

Yeah, across the board. And that's the stuff. I mean, Epstein's Island. Yeah, and that's the stuff that makes it to the surface. Yeah. So what's the stuff that we haven't even heard about? I mean, this just seems so. It's like, you know, somebody breaks into a house and the cops catch him.

What are the odds that that's the first time the guy broke into a house? Right. This is the time we got caught. Yeah, she exactly. So even these times that we see that we've gotten caught, you know, people get caught red-handed doing these things. I suspect and suggest to folks that that's a drop in the bucket to what's really going on. And why is the trauma component essential for remote viewing? Because the, I believe the dissociating part is a big player in the ability to do these things.

So that they're actually promoting the dissociation to make you a better remote viewer. Mm-hmm. That you can, again, separate yourself from those biases so that if you can dissociate, you can be a different perspective. So it's almost like a clean slate. In a way, it's almost like you could make a remote viewing team out of one person because you have all these different dissociative identities. Literally, give them like a split personality type of experience. There's a guy named Stuart Swerdlaw that wrote a book called 13 cubed. And he discusses the fragmenting of the mind through these trauma-inducing programs.

And basically what he was getting at was that the... Let's just imagine almost like you have your original mind is a cube. But by fracturing it, you break it into 13 by 13 by 13 other littler cubes. So now those are all different compartments that you can basically have a different identity in each one. They're all technically connected as part of the original. But now through fragmenting it, you get the ability to basically, it's like having different doors in the same house. And you can have different information in each room behind each door. Wow.

I mean, it's evil. Yeah. And these programs have been shown to be doing these things with adults, but they just don't ever claim that they did it with kids. Now, you can actually find the Stargate consent form for people to be inducted into the Stargate program and like all other, you know, legal contracts. It's very well written in its word selection. And in as far as, you know, you can use this type of person in the program. You absolutely cannot use this type of person in the program.

But when you read the legalese of it, there's nothing in there that's still. dates with any specificity that you can't work on children. According to, like, depending on how you want to read it, if one was to say, well, does this allow for children to be in the program? A lawyer could look at it and would say, it doesn't say we can't. Yeah. According to how it's written, if the kid fits the other parameters and age isn't listed as a restriction, well, then by definition of this document, we're allowed to work on kids.

I mean, this is blowing my mind. And so I guess I can roll with you on like the trauma part helping for remote viewing because it helps kind of compartmentalize the brain and helps you disassociate. With that, you can remote view stronger and be able to put together different elements of a view because you have different sort of perspectives. Perspectives. happening all simultaneously. Yep. But why is there a crowd at these ritual, sexual performances? No idea.

The only thing I could imagine is it could be as sinister as price per head. I don't know. What is the average pedophile charge someone for doing these things? I spoke with Clayton Morris on Redacted about my experiences and such, He seems to be more versed in the understanding of the black market industry around children. Because I said to him, I said, you know, a lot of folks just, they don't understand the motive. I said to him, I said, what is the street value of a kid? You know, nobody wants to discuss that.

Yeah. What, you know, we know a bag of weed is worth X amount of dollars on the street. It's a value of a 12-year-old kid. And if we learn that there's billions of dollars, well, now we understand the motive of a lot of people. If it turns out that the price per head for an event like that is a million dollars of participant, who knows what the money is? You think standard economics of supply and demand, if the demand is there and someone's willing to pay, you think there's not going to be a supplier? I mean, this is nefarious, but it's historically present. And did you recognize any of these people?

No. No. It's in in my recollections, it's almost like Excuse me When I get to that point It's like almost like a hard wall or curtain comes down Almost like almost immediately like when I try to recollect and turn in that direction I almost just can't see that way

Were there ever adults involved in these sexual performances with you? Not to my recollection, no I believe it was child on child in front of adults. I mean, this is so disgusting. Absolutely. Was it, I don't really want to get into the details. Understood. It was not good. It was inappropriate. I mean, there's nothing. Full on sexual experiences. It wasn't like pantomimed. Again, my brain starts cutting off at that point. This is where my protection comes in, basically, because it's like, I just, I just don't go there. It's like, I have a knowing. Yeah. Like, because it was, you know, it's progressing. There's nothing stopping

that train at that point. Except literally now my mind is just like... And what was the name of the school? The facility was called the St. Ignatius Loyola Retreat House. And no longer exists. No longer exists.

It got knocked down. What is there now? Like who owns it? Do you know? Rich people property. Are you familiar with the... I can show it to you on a map. And it's probably like a couple hours from here.

Yeah. Bizarre. Yeah. And why did it get knocked down? Do you know? research it? Have you looked into it? A Chinese company purchased it and knocked it down. It was just near

I believe an evergreen facility which is, you know, of Hillary Clinton fame. The it was, I can't remember who it was, but it was the Brady Families Properly originally there's

more affluent homes to the northwest of the property. It's it's a big money place. The gold coast of Long Island, the north shore of Long Island is referred to as the gold coast. And a lot of people just really have no idea

the wealth and opulence that's over there. The remainder of the, I mean, the gilded age is worthy of its own study and how much money these folks had. And this would have been, the gilded age mansions and stuff on Long Island were kind of like the predecessor of what was going on with these kids. There's that house, the retreat house had scroll work, woodwork done all around the exterior

that was, you know, Aesop's fables and things like that. It was, you know, meant to be a retreat house for underprivileged boys. And it was, you know, all of these things that are just red flags. And, you know, you add the Jesuits to the mix. There was a pope that became pope after visiting with the Brady's over there. Do you remember which pope? I can't remember off the top of my head, but it is referensible. This is...

I mean, I can't imagine you were the last kid to have been abused in this way. This is a lot of why I speak because I think these programs are still rampant in society. I want them to stop, absolutely. And is there any way you can take organized legal action against these schools? Not to mind. I don't want to say that we can't, but if you're asking me, I don't know what to do about this problem other than try to get shine light on it. Have you reached out to any old professors, teachers? Have you looked into the school?

I mean, this is like large-scale criminal behavior. No, I don't know what to do with this other than what I am doing. And if anybody has, you know, more info for what should be done and how to do it and can fund it. I mean, everybody can say, get a lawyer. They're cool. They got a free one that wants to win the case for me. Right. You know, it's all fun in games until it comes down to brass tax.

When people say, well, what are you going to do? What are you going to do? This is how the system works. This is really not much you can do. They can put it this way. What can we do while they're abusing all of our kids every day is something we should talk about. Yeah. And again, we can edit this part if you don't want to talk about it.

I know you have kids. Were you concerned? with them experiencing this same thing? Absolutely. I don't see how the system has changed. So I'm completely concerned about them being negatively impacted because again, I believe this goes to bloodlines type thing that my family is somehow involved in these programs.

I don't have all of the answers, but I have a lot of concerns. Do you feel like anyone in your prior ancestry was involved in anything like this? Oh, absolutely. In what way? I would say that it has to go back to that whole family lines of trauma, that things perpetuate through and carry on. I believe that my grandfather was somehow involved with the Nazi side of World War II, even though he was an American U.S. Navy sailor. He had an affinity for the Nazi side of things.

He was from Brooklyn. Really? Yeah, so he went over here to a St. Francis school, and he was actually what we call third order of St. Francis. Okay. Which is a very interesting Brooklyn organization. I'm not familiar. To put it simply, this organization out of Brooklyn,

which, so the third order of St. Francis, there's the first and the second order, which is priests and nuns. The third order is like a secret priesthood that's allowed to be married with children. Okay. So he was third order of St. Francis. And apparently the third order of St. Francis out of Brooklyn operates under the direct leadership of the Pope with no one in between. and they're charged with re-educating the boys of Long Island is part of their mission statement. Okay. So it just, again, adds to the peculiarity.

I believe as much as my father doesn't want to hear it because he really loved his dad and got along with his dad really well and doesn't like to think this way. And we have discussions about this. He gets frustrated, but he also. admits like I can't really say you're wrong as much as I want you to be. I think my grandfather was into things with Operation Paperclip and the Nazi stuff and what was going on post-World War II. And I think he got me in some program. There was a lot of stuff that happened on Long Island post-World War II that is crazy. I don't know if you have ever heard of Camp Sigfried out on the east end of Long Island was an American Bund facility.

The American Bund was effectively the Nazi party in the U.S. United States. So there were Americans that were very pro-Nazi. They called themselves the Bund. And my grandfather was a participant in the Bund. Whoa. And so was he German? Yeah.

Oh, he was. Yes. Was he raised in Germany? Negative. Okay, he was raised in America. Yep. But had sympathies for that party. Absolutely.

And do you have any other like supporting? evidence, like it's for like journals or things like that that would declare like some of like alliance. His, his yearbook from said Brooklyn Religious Academy in his yearbook, you know, like how they have like, you know, Mark is most likely to probably will, may someday. So for my grandfather, it said something like, Joe was a great guy except he had too much affinity for the Germans in the war front. It said something to that effect, like being nice.

And then it said, Joe will most likely grow up to be a spy, probably will be shot. What the hell? Right. That's a crazy senior superior. Most likely to be a Nazi. Yeah. Yeah. So it was very peculiar, but this is documented stuff.

Another peculiarity in that direction, my grandfather is the only veteran. I mean, you're from, there's a lot of veterans around New York, especially in Levittown. There was like literally just a conclave of World War II veterans. Never in my life have I met or heard of or heard of anyone else ever hearing of an American veteran serving in South America during World War II. My grandfather is the only one I've ever known. but he was a bosun's me in the Navy and apparently was serving on the Amazon River in Brazil during World War II. Right? What?

So, according to my father's recollection of what my grandfather told him, was that he would swim out to float planes on the Amazon and swim out with a fuel line and fill their massive fuel tanks. and that's what he did in the Navy. Oh, and my dad said that, my grandfather said that, and they were also fighting the Germans in the jungles because the Germans were there for the rubber. Right, which I've heard versions of like Germans being in South America, Argentina. Absolutely, but what we've now learned historically was that the Bush family was trading with the Germans in South America.

They needed our fuel, and we needed their rubber. Interesting. So I believe my grandfather was with a faction of folks that were cool with transferring fuel to the Nazis. But it was on diplomatic grounds. I think it was shadier than that. I think it was under the, I think all of those activities that were going on during World War II were super nefarious and super secret. I mean, I think it was Amchel Bush was.

convicted of war crimes after World War II because of these actions. Of sort of helping the nonsense. Yeah, exactly. Wow. And yet we were using sympathetic Navy sailors to do the fuel transfers. Wow. And so was your grandfather the one that moved to Levitown after World War II? He was in Hicksville properly, so which is just a stone's throw away from Levitown.

So your opinion is that your grandfather's... a Nazi, more or less, American-born, you know. Yeah, Bund. I mean, it doesn't. It's about as American Nazi as you can get technically. Did he ever, I mean, do you spend time with your grandfather growing up? I did as a kid growing up, absolutely. Did he ever harbor sentiment or say things that would make you be like, because I mean,

Levitown has no shortage of Jewish people. Right. It's a melting pot community for sure. I mean, there's a lot of Jewish, like large Jewish communities in Long Island. Absolutely. I mean, was he ever, did he speak in a certain way? I think I was exposed to a lot of anti-Semitism and a lot of pro-Nazi culture as a child. What the hell?

That it was just the way of the world back then. It didn't seem odd as a kid so much. But growing up, you know, I can look back and back, because that wasn't right. So as an example, this is one of the conversations that I had with my father. As a child, so you've heard of the Nuremberg trials. Sure. and that there were a lot of folks through Operation Paperclip that went to those trials and then were just found innocent.

Well, when I was a kid, I used to go up to the cat schools regularly. My family had property up there, and we knew a bunch of folks. One of the folks that we knew was a former SS officer who was found innocent at Nuremberg. And I used to go to this particular home, shoot pool with this guy and another character. named Nick, and this is high strangeness. One was a former SS officer from the concentration camp.

No way. The Russian, Nick, was a former prisoner from that camp that the SS officer had as an assistant, like pulled from the ranks of prisoners to be his assistant. And now here they were as friends post-World War II. It was very peculiar. And I'm just going to tell you how it happened. they were literally playing bumper pool one day and I'm just a kid sitting there watching these two

old guys play bumper pool and the former Russian prisoner Nick was whooping the SS officer's ass in the bumper pool payback straight up he smokes him on the pool table and the Nazi he's like I knew I should have killed you

when I had the chance this is real This is what happened. This is like what I experienced as a kid. And so I remembered this story. I was talking to my dad about, you know, all the issues and things that I'm connecting the dots on. And we wound up having this story time conversation. And I said, you know, dad, I said, this is a perfect example of what's going on.

I said, you know, there's a lot of things that we could say and throw stones and, you know, wish things were different. I said, but here's an easy one. I said, you know, a lot of people would very rapidly understand that it's probably not a good idea to let your kids. hang around with former SS officers. Did your dad know he was SS? Yeah. But your dad didn't think that his dad was also a sympathizer? He still to this day has trouble wrapping his brain around his dad wasn't like the

nicest guy in the world. Even though your grandfather was hanging out with legit SS guys. Yeah. I can barely get my dad to admit now that that probably wasn't a good idea, but he does. Like he at least had to yield. He was like, you know what, Dad? it's here's an easy bridge to cross. You shouldn't let your kid hang out with former SS officers.

He's like, I'll give you that. Wow. You know, just more or less, I'll give you that. Like, I can't argue that one. I mean, your dad was born probably, what, 50s, 60s? Yeah, 50s. Early 50s, okay. And so I'm sure he had a pretty, like, strong hatred for, you know, Nazis growing up.

Or do you think his dad was a little bit? Yeah, I think that it was so tolerated. Because of your grandfather. Yeah, I think that the bad taste that most people have in their mouth for this topic, I don't think was a flavor that we had growing up so much, that that was something that I had to realize was part of what was wrong with the environment that I was in. Crazy. But again, as a kid, as a kid, you don't necessarily know better.

Yeah, it's just this is what everybody's doing around you. Right. I mean, this is, unfortunately, I have to ask, but now as an adult, you don't. sympathize with any non- No, not at all. I'm completely against that whole concept of fascism, all of the freedoms that that impinges upon, drives me nuts.

I feel like our country is negatively impacted by those ideas to date, and I want to do everything that I can to oppose that type of mentality. I'm a staunch supporter of freedom, real freedom, across the board for everybody. And that's, again, And the stuff that motivates me to do what I'm doing is that I see our freedoms being impinged upon in a way that most people aren't paying attention to. And it would be very much through what I would say are the continued efforts of Nazis,

fascists, progressives from back in the day, we're just really bamboozled contemporarily to the fact that things that are going on today are. of the end result of efforts that were started way back then. Got it. Okay. They were operating on a very long time. It's a long con, basically. It's quite simple that, you know, the average mortgage payer, the average citizen in the

U.S. nowadays is so preoccupied with the day-to-day stuff and I've got to get my mortgage paid by the end of the month. You know, that's about as far-sighted as most folks are. They don't have a 50-year plan. Yeah. But, you know, billionaires and stuff, when you have your mortgage covered and everything's all AJ squared away.

they start to think a little bit further out. They're more concerned about what's going to happen to their grandchildren, and they can prepare for things like that. Sure. We don't have most people functioning that way. Wow. Yeah. I mean, this is wild.

So you genuinely believe that your grandfather was sympathetic to Nazis had connections with the Bund, and as a result of his connections with that, and Operation Paperclip post-World War II that he might have kind of referred you into these programs. I do. Do you think your dad was ever referred into these programs? I do. I think that there's something to be said for certain similarities between he and I, certain aspects of his upbringing, that I see the similarities.

But I don't know, nor can I get much access to those memories of his. So it's very challenging trying to get to the root of all of these things. My father is, for the most part, agreeable at this stage of the game that when we discuss things, he's not happy that things went the way that they did. So old school military, like basically it's like in his head, he's like, you know what? It happened on my watch, so I'm responsible. So like, let's talk about it. It's obligatory that he's involved now. So he's not happy about it.

it leaves a bad taste in his mouth a lot of the conversations where I bring them to but as he's admitted before he's like there's nothing I can say at all that would prove you wrong he goes like you know I would like you to be wrong I don't want to agree with you

it doesn't make him feel nice but there's a lot of accusations that I throw down where it's like what are you going to do with that like what like my grandfather probably got me in the program what about for your dad though like was he did he ever say like Because, like, MK Ultra and things like that were, you know, in full swing on record up until, like, the 70s.

So, like, your dad was in, like, that perfect window for it. Yeah. Like, you... And he's former military as well. Right. So do you think he was ever involved in those types of things? Have you asked him, like, oh, did you ever do this? And he was like, yeah, kind of...

I did ask him. He doesn't seem to have as much dead recollection of peculiar programs. But I've only just recently got the gears rolling in his head about that. there is a I guess a loose peculiar affiliation to the Antarctic program that he and I came across

in a story from his military career where he crossed paths with VXE6 which is an Antarctic Flight Squadron and you know he basically walked in one day he was stationed in Key West and was you know

sweating his butt off out on the tarmac it's you know Key West and he saw this hangar that said, you know, United States Antarctic program. So as the wise ass, he went in and basically was like, yeah, I want to join the Antarctic program because it's so freaking hot here. And he proceeded to have this profoundly peculiar recollection of what occurred from the time that

he walked in that building. And next thing you know, he said his chain of command was involved and all this. And next thing, you know, he's being discharged from that. And they said, you know, you just go take a nap, which makes no sense. because it's not like the military is really kind hard and it's like, oh, you're having a rough day, it's too hot. Why don't you go rest? You know, so I was teasing him about that.

I said, now I know how I got in the Antarctic program. I said, you technically volunteered way back when. Bizarar. It was bizarre when he was just one of these things where he was like, oh, my God. He's like, I watched one of your videos and you said this thing and it made me remember that one time I walked in and volunteered for the United States Antarctic program and I'm going, what? crazy

yeah what are the odds yeah what a weird coincidence and so I guess this is kind of what you're talking about when you say you don't know if you've ever been discharged from the program right so I mean the ritual abuse element is like so crazy

yeah I think I mean I saw you getting emotional during that part and so I don't really want to revisit but I mean it's pretty insidious that your grandfather kind of put you up for this and yeah that part that part's disturbing to me but it also from my research it's, that's the folks that know.

Like, there's a certain part of our society that's aware of these things and is cool with it. Like, I don't want to, I don't want to, I'm not trying to justify it. I'm presenting their perspective. There's a lot of folks that see it as beneficial. Let me see what is beneficial. Fracturing a child's mind. What? Right.

Right. I said, I don't, like, I don't have their rationale. I'm just observing. Okay. That they can rationalize somehow that it's good. You're doing something good for the child. You're expanding their consciousness. They're under the belief that that's positive.

Yeah. It would be like a means. Yeah. And this is how evil people think. They look at the ends and not the means. And there are people that will just simply look at the ends and go, well, the end product is good. So we're not going to judge how you got there. Yeah.

And that mentality exists. And then not to cast doubt on your memories, but how can you be certain just individually that these regressions that you've done that have kind of filled in the gaps of your experience are true memories that you had that you're accessing versus a new thought that's being implanted in your mind? For me personally, I would say it is on par with knowing. There are things that occur that I can connect to with like a knowing, like in a regression where there's all of a sudden like you have this exchange,

this dialogue with someone, and it's like the connection is made and now you know. It doesn't mean that I do that with everything. I mean, there are times that I work with these folks and we're trying to cross bridges and there are plenty of times where things don't connect and you don't get the knowing. But that comes from, I guess, applied discernment. I mean, all I can say is that for me personally, I know I'm not reaching onto every single thing that I could connect to because then I'd be a lunatic thinking everything in the world has happened. the things I'm connecting to aren't desirable. Who would, I mean, who wants to go back and be like, oh, I absolutely remembered I was abused as a kid.

Right. I mean, it doesn't do much for me. So knowing these things is more of a burden. But once I know it, I can't disconnect from it anymore. These are things that I was previously disconnected from. excuse me that I'm coming back to. So it's just like any other memory you would have. I could just easily be like,

well, how do you know your memories or your memories? You know. Right. Yeah. I mean, yeah, it's just, it's wild. It's truly, I mean, I don't doubt that these types of, like, child abuse things can happen. I just hearing them in such detail, such organization is so repulsive that I'm like,

I wish there was something that could be done. Absolutely. It's completely disgusting. Again, what happens to children in mass? I believe I'm not special in as far as that this happened to me. I'm special that I'm connecting the dots. I think a lot of children are being processed in extremely, unfortunately, similar circumstances. and this is why we need to pay attention to this stuff.

Again, it's very natural for children to dissociate when traumatized. The people that will do the dissociating know this. They take advantage of this. They know that for the most part we can do whatever we want to these kids because they're never going to remember and they're never going to say anything. Yeah. This is already a known thing. Yeah.

Yeah, I guess there's a part of me that wants you to be lying. I understand. wants the memories that you have to be delusional. Yeah. Because it's so horrific. It's so horrific. And this is, this is, you're, you're right at the root of the problem. Yeah. This is human nature and our own character flaws as individuals and a society, right? It's way more comfortable to think that I'm wrong. Yeah. Because if you think I'm right, you've got to do something about it. Yeah. I mean, this is human nature. And this is, this is human nature because ignorance is bliss because when we don't believe

something we don't have to do anything about it. Exactly. And we'll delude ourselves to avoid the responsibility of the action required once we know something is the matter. Yeah. So I think a lot of people will find themselves way more comfortable with saying that I'm a lunatic instead of the responsibility of what if he's right? What if all of our kids are being abused in mass right under our noses?

When you say in mass, you mean? In mass, all the kids. At scale. Not literally in church. Scale. Okay. At scale. Yeah.

Yeah. And I'm curious just for my own personal experience, just because I was raised very Catholic. I actually really enjoyed my experience growing up within the Catholic Church. Do you feel like that there was a component that the Catholic diocese of Levittown was involved at scale with these types of abuse rituals

and that they were complicit? I do. I think it's rampant through the whole system. And it specifically happened because of the organization of the Catholic schools. And it wouldn't have happened at a public school, for example. There are public school programs as well. Oh, really?

Absolutely. I think that in the Catholic school situation, it's just more prevalent because it's privatized and less public oversight and engagement. And people who send their children off to parochial schools by any definition are even more thoroughly convinced that they're sending them to a better place. So is that ego stroke again? Right. There's less. Right.

Yes, they're being told that everything's, you know, of course, of course the priest who'd never hurt your child, he's a man of God. Yeah, of course. This is how, yeah, and the priest meanwhile, they're praying on the most vulnerable kids, who one of a dad, you know, parents are busy, latchkey kid, whatever. They all know exactly what they're looking for, unbeknownst to the child who is the victim. Right. Do you think they knew your family dynamic, that your parents were both busy, that they were working? Yes.

Like if you had, you know, a doting mother that was always there nonstop looking at everything, they might have been like, all right, this kid's not worth having the program. Do you think that's true? Absolutely. I think they were extremely aware. And as an adult, in hindsight, I would double down on that, that I can now hear statements being made that show that that's exactly what was going on. They knew the situation. There were times where, you know, I can now hear statements being made that show that that's exactly what was going on. They knew the situation. There were times where, you know, I, you know, I would be involved with guidance counselors or the school chaplain and stuff. And I can remember them saying, like, we understand your situation at home. We know your dad works. Like, literally, they were very aware of what was going on my household. Wow. And then did you put in any safeguards for your own children when they were adolescent to make sure that this similar thing wasn't happening?

Didn't send them to Catholic school. Yeah. Intentionally. Intentionally, did not send my kids to Catholic school. Wow. Yep. I was against that concept. And then anything else where did you create like a parenting system?

We were like, hey, something happens, tell me. Like, this is, you know. I think that I had that going on when I was present in my children's life. Yeah. That I was pumping in that direction and always have. Yeah. It's less utilized that I would hope for now contemporarily. Sure.

But with that being said, I think I was a good parent when I was present for my children. Yeah. You know, I would have been that president and paid that much attention. Wow. Yeah. I mean, this is disturbing and sort of difficult to grasp for me in general. Totally, yeah. This is not good news.

Yeah, you hear about things like this, but never really like a firsthand account of someone that went through it. Unfortunately, a lot of the information that I am bringing publicly is not good news. But this is more so why it needs to be addressed because I believe that we, the people, can work together for our own growth. But I guess it's like the 12th, you know, like it's like Alcoholics Anonymous. Like you have to admit there's a problem for us before you can do something about it. Right. And we have some serious problems that we, the parents of this planet, have not been addressing. Now, on this issue specifically, what should we do?

Like, what can happen? You are the, you know, claiming to be the first hand account of someone that was ritually abused for a government operation. I think, almost across the. board, I think parents should get way more involved with their children's day-to-day life and who they discharge their children to. Who are the people that your children are around when you're not around them? Because bad people who want to take advantage of children have been very well organized. If there are bad people that want to access your children,

What programs do you think they're going to try to get into? Anywhere where there's kids. So it's just, it's already going on. The bad people have already infiltrated all of the child-bearing organizations. They're already there. We, the parents, were just not paying attention. Yeah. And those abusers are simply taking.

advantage of the nature of things. They're well informed in the parents are not. The abuser knows I can abuse this kid and send him home traumatized today with no recollection of what just occurred because that's how this works. And the kid comes home. How is your day? Yeah. And none of the kids told. That just seems so, it's just so unfortunate.

Seriously, wrap your head around the numbers. kids we have in this country. Yeah. How many kids are getting abused? How many kids are reporting it? Yeah. This is a rampant problem that's just not being discussed because kids get abused and don't even know it. Because that's the nature of it.

That whole negative encounter gets packaged up, twisted, shoved into the back of the brain somewhere to be dealt with many years later when it resurfaces. naturally because there are processes to these things that we can observe. If people do enough research into this stuff, they'll just find out. And this is where I'm getting at, like looking around society nowadays. I'm just seeing the symptoms in adults contemporarily of them now having to deal with the things that cause them to now be a walking dissociative. But no one's paying attention.

No one's going to admit, well, I am this way because I got abused when I was a kid. but they've yet to make those connections. Now, before we move on from this part of your kind of journey and stories, or any other details from this remote viewing Stargate experience that you are a part of that you think are important that will inform later parts of your story that we'll get into. I don't know so much about the informing part, but in regards to the Stargate and the remote viewing,

if I could choose to emphasize something would be, for people to know they can all do it. So back to like that whole idea of their five senses, maybe more. Let's add remote viewing to the list of additional senses that we've been less than educated upon. Yeah, I've heard you specify that in other conversations. Why is that important for people to know? So they can start using the ability. You think it's good for people to be remote viewing?

Absolutely. Why? It's access to knowledge. It would be like saying like, you think it's, is good for people to read books. You think it's good for people to have access to the internet. You think it's good for people to have, it's something that we grow from.

Knowledge. Remote viewing is accessing the truth. I think that's a very good thing. And so obviously the way that you were educated in it was wrong. And through the childhood abuse that you experienced was wrong. Yes. But the act itself is not inherently wrong. Correct.

I would agree with that. Yes, the end result was good. The means to get to that was terrible. Is there a way to get to that without the abuse that you endured? Correct. You can't. There's a lot of ways to pull it off. It was just, again, some people had preferences.

Some people weren't opposed to some of the techniques. Some people believe that was the better way. Some people believe it's the quicker way. So whatever their justifications were for tolerating that process, I wouldn't agree with North support, but it would be like so similar to like firearms, right? A gun isn't inherently bad. It depends on the person using it. So remote viewing isn't inherently bad. It's just, you know, what are you using it for? That makes sense. And now do you have, and again, I'm not bringing this up as like a shot at your credibility in this specific instance, but do you

have any like concrete evidence via your website or even just like personally of your, your involvement with these programs. And obviously I understand you were young, but with these programs, with any of the abuse that happened, even if, like, it's school records or anything like that. Not to my knowledge. I don't think there's anything that I could produce

that would prove what was going on in the library. Sure. Or at the Loyola Retreat House. Those are just my recollections. Hypothetically, you could get other people and other students to corroborate what happened. Hypothetically, yeah. Wow.

I wish more people would speak up. I really do on so many of the things that I've experienced. There are certain topics and certain folks that I'm active, you know, some folks from Antarctica. I just ran into a friend of mine from my plumbing career who's been into a lot of the peculiar facilities, households that I've been in. And I'm just trying to connect the dots. But to this date, most of the folks that I connect the dots with are. happy to help me connect them, but they won't speak publicly. So, like, a lot of the stuff that I bring forth from the Antarctica program, it's more

of it's a bunch of aggregate information than I've gotten from the crew, and I'm just on point presenting it. I see. Do you still remote view? I still know. You say you still remote and no? Correct. Which I think the term that they use for is Claire Cognizance.

Okay. Which is knowing stuff out of nowhere. Is there a practice you have to do? Or is it just, is it just innate? It's innate currently because I'm not practicing anything. So you don't have to like sit there and close your eyes and meditate to then know something. You can just hear information and discern if it is factual or not factual. Yeah.

Interesting. Yeah. That would be probably a good way of putting it. And you use that on a frequent basis? It happens, I guess, would be... Because I don't think I'm really trying to do it ever anymore. It just happens. I just...

I don't know how to put it. I just know things sometimes. Do you know anything about me? You're having a good hair day. Yeah. Every day, baby. You know that? Every day.

24-7. You know what I'm saying? A kid is curly. Okay. I was just wondering if you, like, remote-fued me before we started. No, no, yeah. No, I put no effort into those things. It has more to do with, I think of it more like processing and understanding.

Okay. There are times where things happen where I would say I just, I know. Like, I do, I mean, I do maintenance stuff. I know it doesn't sound like a big deal on so many levels. But when you're in remote environments, right? Mother Nature at her harshest conditions And you know, you have a man camp out in the middle of nowhere Whether it's South Pole Station, Antarctica,

Or up in the Arctic Circle in the oil fields, When things go wrong, you just have to get stuff done. And in those circumstances would be where I say I experience it the most now Would be, you know, something happens, some catastrophic failure of systems, right? And where other people would be going through a process of diagnosing. And we've got to figure out what's the problem involved.

And I just say we got to be more specific. Like, how about we look at such and such? Hmm. And I'm right. It just is what it is. Like, you know, other people have to diagnose to discern, whereas I just know when you need to. Hmm.

Strange. Yeah, this is, it's all very, very interesting. So just to move on a little bit, you go through this program. The program eventually ends with no official ending. You go through middle school, high school, any other bizarre things that happened throughout there before you graduate, or it's just a kind of a pretty typical kind of thing, obviously dealing with the trauma of what happened. I think high school was peculiar for me in hindsight, in as far as that it was a lot more of a violent environment than I believe most other children were exposed to. There was a lot of street violence that I'm now learning was different than what most other kids went through. What was the high school called? Holy Trinity. Holy Trinity. Okay.

And we were a Catholic school that was on the border of the two other local high schools lines, so to say. There was Hicksville and Levittown, and those two schools were at each other's throats. And we just happened to be in between them. And is this the same high school connected to the middle school? No, different schools. Different school all together. So it wasn't like K through 12 or whatever. No, it was high school was ninth through 12.

Got it. grammar school was kindergarten through eighth. And remember me the name of the grammar school? That was Holy Family. Holy Family. Okay. And then Holy Trinity is a different high school that you go to. And it's pretty violent.

The community was, I don't want to say the school. The school technically was no fighting. If you got caught fighting in school, you were expelled immediately. So there was technically no fist fights in school. But the way home from school. Yeah, I'd get my ass handed to me regularly. Was there any part of you, especially reeling with some of the things you've gone through in your life that felt like you kind of had a chip on your shoulder,

wanted to fight back from powerlessness. Like, were you not instigating, but were you confrontational in any way? I don't think I ever felt, I don't think I ever felt powerless. Even though I know, like, there were plenty of circumstances where, like, you know you're not going to win a fight

when 12 dudes start with you. You know, it's just, that's life. But I believe that I've always had built into me, like the inability to back up you know I would say I've gotten my ass kicked way more than I've ever kicked an ass but that just was from like not

ever backing down like if one person started with me I wasn't backing down if 12 people started with me I wasn't backing down and why were people targeting you specifically I have no idea I think it was just that level of violence in the community that was starting with anyone in every direction.

You just happened to be the guy. Yeah, I just happened to be the guy at the time. And that's also probably pretty traumatic. You're probably, it gets you a little paranoid. You're kind of looking around. Oh, absolutely. I think I walk the street with a different level of attention than most people, which, I mean, for the most part in adulthood,

has just actually been fantastic. I have a wherewithal for what's going on in the street. I think I'm very helpful to those around me. There's been a lot of things that have gone wrong around me as an adult, and I'm quick to get involved and help folks out. Hmm. Interesting. And so it's pretty violent growing up through high school, but you make it through. You graduate mid kind of grades despite being...

Oh, yeah. I had a 69 overall average for all of high school. Despite being, like, a pretty intelligent guy. Oh, absolutely. Yeah, he stalled all the test, but again, didn't do the work. I remember graduating high school and just being a knucklehead and being like, oh, I graduated with 69, bro. Yeah, I thought it was hilarious. Did you ever experiment with drugs in that time?

Oh, for sure. Smoking weed, things like that. Smoking weed, shrooms, acid, you know, that type of stuff. I thought of it more as like the hippie drugs. Never did cocaine in my life. Sure. You know, which I found is a rarity growing up that most people seem to have some raging cold conditioning at some point in their life. Yeah.

But I never touched, like, what I would call the hard drugs. I was just into like the hippie stuff. Like, you know. Right. I want to elevate my mind. Psychedelics, weed, alcohol, stuff like that. Yeah. And were those things, did they impact you in a unique way because of your prior experience from a viewing?

I don't know that if I could, there's no way for me to say because of. I guess maybe I had a greater appreciation for what they were doing because I had previous exposure. So I think they worked well for me would be, I guess, how I would look at it. Did you do them with high frequency? No. Just on occasion with friends. Yeah. Gotcha.

I think, well, I think weed way back when was way more prevalent. Sure. But as far as the other stuff, I would say it was experimental, few and far between, nowhere near abuse. Sure. That type of stuff. It was, you know. Yeah. And I would say it was positive that I got good stuff out of it.

Excuse me. Yeah. What were some of the, like, the takeaways of you guys? God, was there anything tangible or was it just like, oh, I'm in touch with some type of higher power. I appreciate the universe. I'm in touch with nature, like kind of general things. I think it was, for the most part, general. And that I was, I guess, similar to like what Bentov was getting at is that it's expanding our perspective of what we are.

That it's just kind of opening the doors and windows to like, hey, pay attention. during your waking state that there's more going on in the unwaking state. So pay attention. You know, life is more complex than we've previously considered. Interesting. And so I'm sure people are probably wondering. I'm definitely wondering, like, if you are, you know, obviously intelligent just from our conversation, intelligent when you were a kid based off what you're saying, not great grades.

So that kind of explains like why college scholarships and things like that probably weren't available to you. Never even tried, never considered, never, I never even sat for the college application test. I did not care about more school. Yeah. So then how does being a plumber, which again, no disrespect. No, it's all good. The plumbers of the world. But, you know, if you are, you know, such high intellect as you're claiming, how did plumbing come into the full?

Here's my answer to that question. And it's common for a lot of trades folk. When people say like, Eric, what got you into plumbing? My answer has always been a lack of proper decision-making up until I got into the plumbing industry. So you just found out about it? You knew someone that was a plumber? I got out of the Navy. How long were you in the Navy for?

Like nine months. Okay. Pretty short. Correct. And you went, your dad was in the Navy? My dad was in the Navy. Grandfather was in the Navy. So it just seemed like something to do, low barrier of entry.

Yep. And did you enjoy it? I loved it. Really? I was having a grand old time in the Submarine Service. And why did you get discharged? Wow. We're making jumps, but it's all good.

That's... I got discharged from the Navy because I was trying to get myself discharged from the Navy. I got myself out of a six-year contract with the United States Submarine Service, which is also not something a lot of people can accomplish. How? How did you do that?

By blatantly failing my NSA investigation. So NSA, I was the National Security Administration. Absolutely. You have to do a test to have clear. There's a massive background check for the rate, the job that I was going to have. I was training to be what they call a fire control technician for Los Angeles-class submarines, which the term, how would they state it, that it was armed with a, up to, but not necessarily, nuclear-tipped munitions.

So for all practical purposes, I was being trained to have my finger on a nuclear trigger. So the background investigation that goes alongside that is substantial. This is in late 80s? This was mid-90s. Okay. So this is post-Cold War. Correct. This is mid-90s, and they had canvassed my neighborhood.

They had been all through my community checking, knocking on doors. It's an old-school type community. So as the NSA was ripping through my neighborhood to look into me, I had people coming to me on the down there. NSA was over here talking. And they would tell me what was going on. And when I was getting into one of my... final communications with the NSA team.

They were asking me about my history. And now I had, I had been informed from other folks that I could work this angle. So, but it was still a gamble. And they told me this is, if you want out, here's, here's an option. But it's a gamble.

So I rolled the dice. And during my final NSA investigation, when they got to the point and said, you know, hecker, have you ever done this, this, this, this, have you ever? And of course, I know I'm supposed to just simply say no and just let it slide. But instead I answered yes. And what was this, this, this? Have you done weed? Have you done shrooms? Have you done this stuff that you're supposed to be saying no to at that time?

But instead I was like, yes. so that just instantaneously was a halt to the whole forward progression of my secrecy check for that position. Basically, it put me in default with the United States Navy because now I was considered a fraudulent enlistor.

Really? Correct. You couldn't even be in the Navy at all in that time. No, they wouldn't well put it this way. You could join the Navy. You can be forward with all this stuff. You can get waivers for anything under the sun. Technically, anybody can be in, but I was taking advantage of the path that I had taken, which, I mean, when I first went to the recruiter, right, and I walked in the door, I was stoned. I mean, it is what it is. I mean, that's how most people join the service. Yeah. I mean, they're just like, I'm done with all this BS. I'm going to join the military. I literally walked into recruiting office. The guy hands me the forms, you know, fill this

stuff out. I feel like I hit it back to you looks at it. He goes, you can't write that you smoked weed. And I'm like, yeah, but you told me I have to fill this out honestly. Well, not that honest. And he goes, I'm going to rip this up and you go down to the recruiting office down the block. And you start all over again. And when he asks you if you did that, you say no. And I was like, all right. Hilarious. So I went to the other recruiting office. And this time, he was like, have you ever smoked weed? I'm like, no, of course not. With a joint in your hand. Yeah, I probably had another one on the way to that recruiting office.

But either way, so that was the state of the union for how I actually got in. Gotcha. And then when I was in the submarine service and learning that things were not exactly as presented and figuring I wanted to get out. But I thought you liked it. I did like it for the most part, for the experience, so to say. But when you get into what are the missions of these factions, it was becoming something I didn't want to support to be aligned with.

I see. So I wanted to get out. And what were the missions that they were bringing up at that time that you felt you took issue with? It became obvious to me. I have to be very careful with a lot of the things with the submarine stuff. Sure. It became obvious to me that unbeknownst to the general public that when a submarine submerges, they're at war.

I don't care what year it is, what decade it is, what's going on on the surface of the planet. Some mariners are at war. There's something going on. And all this don't ask, don't tell, blah, all these things, I guess you would say. When you put them together,

when I started to realize, well, I'm going to be the guy with my finger on the button. and what I started to learn about compartmentalization is that no one knows what's going on anywhere else. And I didn't like the idea of someone telling me, now's the time for you to pull the trigger because I said so. Yeah. You have no idea what's the end result of your trigger pull, but we're going to tell you it's a good thing. Yeah. So I just, I guess you would say I got to a point where I grew morals.

where I started to realize that, like, I could be getting really played right now. And to the tune of killing millions of people, I'm good. Yeah, like something's not right about this equation, and it just seemed off to me to continue going down that road. Well, there's a famous story of the Russian submarine that got orders to launch a nuclear missile. and because they saw something on the radar that was an error and I think...

Have you heard the story before? It rings a bell. I'm gonna kind of budget of the details but I think basically they got information from up top on the surface that there was a nuclear missile heading towards them towards the Russians and they said, all right, we got a fireback

and so they kicked it to the one like final dude that basically like has control of launch authority. I don't know if he personally had launch authority if he was launching it or if he just had launch authority my understanding is that he was on the submarine he was the one making the call

and they're basically like all right it's up to you we're doing it or not and I think he basically was like nope let's wait and then it wasn't a nuclear ballistic missile getting shot by the US to the Russians it was some other thing that they detected and they basically

diverted you know a potential nuclear fallout just from one guy kind of being discerning I can't remember the details I'm sure if you Google you know Yeah, I've heard of this one because I know this particular Russian submarine is famous for having made the right decision. Exactly. But the rest of those details, I'm foggy as well. But I do know that this guy got a solid pat on the back.

Crazy. So you kind of got in this position where you're like, dude, I like being in a submarine. I like hanging with the boys. Things are cool. But now all of a sudden it's a lot of responsibility. I might have to do something I don't want to do morally. Right. And, yeah, it's not really in my control anymore.

I'm out. Correct. And now, I guess big picture stuff, right? So when you say, like, you know, what happened to you as a kid, what happened in the Navy, I think all of these things are connected. Okay. Because getting to this topic now, right? I think a lot of these processes for the children to get filtered into different programs are on a corporate level, military industrial complex level. I don't think that the United States Navy waits for a kid to turn 18 for a role like the one that I got in the submarine service and then decides to start training you at 18 when you volunteer to join for a job such as that.

I believe that these types of factions are a big hand in finding the right kid when they're really little to guide them to be in that chair later on in life. So you think these like high ranking high responsibility military folks are removed from a really young age? Yes. I do not think that the United States Navy was waiting for. me to turn 18 to join the submarine service. I think there was some sort of a process that got me there. But you had the free will to go or to not go to the recruiter. Free will is a finicky term. So many times in life, every single one of us has gotten to that proverbial fork in the road, right? And you look to the left and you look to the right and you go, look at me

at this fork about to exercise my free will, because I am free to choose either one of these roads. Cool. Have you ever been at that fork in the road and asked who built these roads? Is that free will? If someone built the road to the left and built to the road to the right, and you're now choosing which road you go down, is that free will? I see.

So what choices did you have? Like, who do you feel like put these rows in front of you? Was it the military? Was it your family? I think it's a montage of many interests of many factions. And I think, again, this is more of a testament to what's going on around us than we care to pay attention to. I think there's a lot of people investing a lot more into things we're not paying attention to. and that almost like the bickering between those factions and investments is the process of how do kids show up to whatever program they show into as an adult.

Is it really a series of free will decisions or just migrating down paths that were built for us? I see. Yeah, I don't know. It seems a little tricky to be applying like retroactive agency, I guess, to like some paths. that controls our destiny in hindsight, if that makes sense. I can follow where you're getting at. In my brain, I think of it, like, imagine if you went to, like, the beef stocks in Chicago, you know, where they had, you know, where they're corraling all the, are the cattle-making

free will choices before they get into the butcher shop because they chose to go left and they chose to go right. But in reality, the farmer made the pens. Sure, sure. You know, are we, are we any different? are we not on a giant farm? Are we not a product? I get what you're saying. So just going in that direction, I mean, how are we any different than the cattle that are getting processed?

Yeah. I guess my feeling is like, you know, for me, I became a stand-of comedian and a podcaster. I didn't know anyone that did that. I didn't have any experience with that. I grew up in Orlando where, like, no one did anything creative. Everyone that I grew up around was like, had like a quote-unquote real job. They worked in insurance. They were a lawyer.

know, the coached a football team, like they were just a regular person. So the idea of me doing this was like a pipe dream. For me, again, I don't feel like I was like groomed for it in some type of like cosmic sense. I just gravitated towards it. Now there's obviously reasons I gravitated towards it. My dad was obsessed with stand-up. He played it all the time. He wanted to be a comedian and just kind of like always had it around in the house.

So there's obviously like imprinting early on that drew me towards it. But I don't know. I have a hard time feeling like this was somehow destined for me by some, like, force. I wouldn't want to say that you were forced into it, but it would make sense that these systems, I mean, just like on a farm. They're dividing the animals out for whatever that one is best suited for. So that process in and of itself, is it forcing the animal into the best? You know, I mean, were you forced to go where you're at?

Or were you just guided to be where you're most efficiently functioning? Yeah. Yeah, I guess it's attributing, like, intention when coincidence could also explain it. Oh, understood. And that's in my mind, I'm like, which one, like, kind of on some Occam's Razor type shit. Like, what is the more simple explanation? Well, that's using, that's a misinterpretation of Occam's Razor. Oh, really?

Absolutely. In what way? because it's the exact opposite of what it is. A lot of people believe that Occam's Razor means that there's truth to the concept of like whatever the simplest thing is is most like, and that's not true. That's not what Occam's Razor is. What is it? Occam's Razor means you take all possibility and put it on the table to be considered. The razor is then taking the razor and slicing off of piece of all that's possible, assessing that piece, and if that's not possible, and if that's not possible,

you can discard it. But anything that you can't discard has to remain on the table. That has nothing to do with it being the simplest thing is the most likely answer. Oh, I always interpret it as like if you're walking in Central Park and you hear hooves, it could be a zebra, but it could be a horse. And the simplest answer is that it's a horse. So you should make this something. I understand.

Occam's razor would say until you can discount it being a horse or a zebra, have to consider that both are possible. I see. Okay. That's what Occam's Razor is really getting at. Got it. Okay. I didn't know that. Understood. So then in my, so I guess for my point, like, I would just attribute to, you know, the simplest answer or like that.

And I'm totally against that concept. I believe that, I believe that is baloney because I believe life has shown us that typically things are way more complex than we've given consideration for. And I believe that misinterpretation of Occam's razor is a way to keep us dumbed down to just accept whatever is the stupidest, simplest, simplest, least complex quick answer to pacify us. So when you go to the, when you gravitate towards the Navy, is it possible that it was just coincidence that you grew up,

your family was in the Navy, and you know, you didn't have like college prospects. So you were like, yeah, this seems like a good... Sure, it's possible that it was that simple. Okay. But you feel like it's more likely that there was like an intentional grooming that they wanted you to be in that. I think that that's just how these machines work, so to say, of programming. That when you have a propensity to things and exposure to things, you're more likely to follow suit.

And these are the games that people play that they're taking advantage of. I see. I mean, can you separate the fact that you are a comedian now from your father's affinity for comedy? I mean, how can you separate that one cause the other? Yeah, I think they're directly connected. Right. But I also had a lot of siblings that didn't go on comedy. But back to like another part of the conversation.

So did you really choose to be a comedian? Or was it because of your exposure that you were forced to? Right. Yeah, I know. Did you really choose it? What if your father didn't have the affinity for comedy so that you didn't come from that road to then have the choice at the next fork? Right.

Right. So is this more of like a, a free will position that you have in general, that you are generally kind of a believer in like determinism? Or do you feel like there's... I'm a firm believer in free will as a real... Like a philosophical construct. I believe that we've just been so manipulated for so long. I see.

That we've lost connection to actual free will choices. There's been so many roads built. I see. Contemporarily that we're hard. pressed to ever find ourselves in what I would say is an actual free will choice. I see. Okay. Where that heavily manipulated at this point is that much structure around us. So we inherently have free will, but the powers that be have basically corralled us to no longer

be able to participate in that. And we're so distant from the actual ideal freedom and free will. I mean, just like what we're experiencing right now. You and I are witnessing a world right now today that is wholly, observably less free than when we were children. So following that backwards, if each generation is experiencing that, how far removed are we from true freedom as observed by our ancestors? And how much further can freedom dilapitate in just a couple of more generations where our great-grandkids, are going to have no flavor of the freedom that we once experienced.

That's interesting. It's an interesting perspective. Yeah, maybe. I don't know. I also kind of look at it where I'm like, you couldn't smoke weed as a kid. You could, but it was illegal. Like, you couldn't be gay in the 60s and, you know, things like that. And now you can. It seems more free in those ways.

So I'm sure there's people that are like, it feels pretty free. And back in the day, you guys, there was a draft. Some people had to go in the draft in the military. That's not very free. So I'm like, I don't know, in a lot of ways I could see. now being freer in some ways. I can follow the logic of the debate,

but I would say it's still a wonderful debate to have. I see. Have a discussion on what is freedom. What are the benefits of the things that we call freedoms now? Right. You know. Yeah, we're sexually free, but is that true freedom? Yeah.

I mean, what's the, you know, I'd rather hear about, you know, people not being taxed and enslaved and, you know, all that type of stuff and fiat currencies. And there's a lot of other enslaving chains about us than the more bullet points of incendiary topics that, you know, so I'm allowed to be gay now? That means I'm freer? Right. What? What's, you know? Yeah, I see what you're saying. And I don't want to get caught up too much in the semantics. But I guess those are the things.

Like, what is, what is freedom? Yeah, which is an interesting debate. I think that's important. Yeah, I guess for me, I kind of personally just kind of attribute like, you know, I've known a lot of people growing up that like to attribute random events to some type of force, whether it's God, whether it's governments, whether it's other things. And maybe because of that reactionarily, I've kind of become a little bit more open to like, you know, there's coincidence and things can just sort of happen coincidentally.

And that's okay. They can. I'm not against that they can. What I'm trying to profess is that there's a lot more. things occurring through the application of intent by folks that are hiding in the shadows, that that also occurs. And that bad people organize faster than good people, and good people need to start paying attention to that. Yeah, that's interesting.

And it's no, like, conspiracy to me personally, that, you know, if you're, you know, have a military family, like lineage of military folks, maybe not, like, you know, a ton of, like, post-high school prospects and you're like a young dude and a lower middle class situation, like the military option, I think opens up a lot. Oh, totally. So, absolutely. And that's, and that's structure. I think it's by design.

Absolutely. Yeah. Again, the military knows the product that they need and they know the demographic they have the target. Sure. And I do agree, I think, and by and large, that's probably intentional. I think in the same way the, you know, military or the prison industrial complex. Absolutely.

Yeah, totally privatized and lucrative. Where they say, you know, if we can get, you know, more, you know, you know, young black dudes doing bad things. We can get them locked up and get them harsh your sentences. Here's the laws that we need to make because here's what we know everyone is doing. So let's just make it illegal so that we can do these things and charge them harshly and, you know, get free labor out of it. Of course, 13th Amendment. This is.

So I do agree that by design, those things probably are happening in a large scale. So I'm with you there. But ultimately, you're in, you know, the submarine unit. You don't really enjoy it anymore. You realize that your role is not something that you want to be in. So you intentionally kind of flunk this NSA test. Yep. And why is that a gamble?

You mentioned that a few times. There was some risk involved. What is the risk there? The risk was they were threatening to send me to Leavenworth for 10 years for fraudulently enlisting. And Leavenworth is a military prison. Wow. Yeah. So the gamble was they're going to either throw you in military prison or just cut you loose.

Wow. And just because you had done mushrooms before and admitted to it. Pretty much, yeah. It blew my, it blew my qualification for the security clearance. So it removed the access to the job that I wanted. And technically, yes, they could offer me other positions that didn't require the clearance. But technically I had still put in myself squarely in the center of a circumstance of fraudulently enlisting by definition, which, basically means it was like I wasn't supposed to be there. Because at that point in the system, you already said that you had never done mushroom, you had never done, you know, psychedelic drugs.

And then they ask you at the very end and you go, well, actually, I lied. I understand. So that's the risk. Yep. And they sent you home. Correct. So now you get home and you're probably, what, like 19 at this point?

Yep. So then what? Got a job delivering auto parts for Napa. Literally drove from the base to the Napa auto parts in Hicksville. I still had my sailor uniform on. It was like, I'm looking for work. Hilarious.

And they were like, you can drive for us. And I was like, cool. And then I was driving for them for a little while. At one point, my father just basically said to me, he goes, did you ever think about doing plumbing? I said, no. He goes, do you have any oppositions to it? I said, should I? I never thought about it in my life.

And he says, no, he goes, you know, it's hard work, but you work hard. You get paid well. The harder you work, you get paid more money. So that sounds pretty fair to me. So got my foot in the door to a local plumbing company as an apprentice, started my career. I just excelled at plumbing. I mean, I get that a lot of people think that it's pretty basic and easy to do. And that's more or less true for some of the more basic plumbing.

But I took on a career of doing exceptional work at peculiar facilities. up to and including the South Pole station. Right. So there's more to these complex systems that takes more complex thought and figuring things out. You know, when you're at Mother Nature's throat and she's, you know, shutting down systems at the South Pole, it's not your average plumber that they have on the payroll to mitigate the problems. That makes sense. So it'd be like a plumber on the moon, right? You can laugh at plumbing all day long. But yeah, yes, I'm a plumber.

trade, but if they needed a plumber on the moon, I could do that. And I'd be really good at it. And then when people just say to you, oh, you're just a plumber? Yeah. It's different levels, I guess you would say. That makes sense. So you didn't feel like your natural ability was wasted, so to speak. No, not at all.

You didn't feel bored with the work. No, not at all. Maybe initially, if you're just doing little pipes in a house. No, not even initially because there was so much to learn. And so you found a guy that you were an apprentice for? And learned you worked your way up. Yeah, worked my way up. And then, you know, got my own skill set and became good.

You know, I say that I'm a systems guy. From my perspective, I look around. There's a lot of parts changers out there as how I put it. You know, they show up to a job. They don't really know what's going on. But they'll just start swapping parts until the thing works. Interesting. Did they know what was going on?

Did they know how to fix it? No, they just kept changing parts. I see. I'm a bit different because I can actually show up to a system and assess. And no, that's the broken part. This is what we have to fix. I don't have to try this and try that and try this. So that's what I do.

And then how long did it take for you to start linking up with wealthy families within, you know, the Long Island area? That would have been, so let's see, that would have been probably, well, when you say start, I would say almost immediately, I guess I started crossing. paths with the affluent folks of Long Island. So you're 19 years old, you're a plumber, and by the time you're 20, 21, you're now working within, like, high end estates and mansions and doing systems plumbing work for them. Yep. Interesting. And that's just referral-based.

Well, no, no, no, no. That was, I was a direct employee of companies that were sending me to places. I understand. And then I would say probably in about five or six years, I was, um, I was, um, I was, um, I was a, a full-fledged mechanic, not apprenticing, and was now running these types of jobs for these billionaire clients at both their residences, where their corporations were,

and just basically, you know, calling the shots and get things figured out 24 hours a day, you know, lots of emergency service. And this was like typical, typical plumbing work, like a pipe broke? Typical plumbing work, I would say, in non-typical facilities. Right. So this would be at a mansion in Long Islander.

Manish on Long Island and or peculiar industrial facilities. Okay. That there's a lot of military industrial complex contractors and facilities on Long Island as well that are operating under false pretenses. Because, you know, I mean, the military obviously has secrecy, right? You have a base and you have this product that's made. Well, that product is a series of components that are manufactured. at all of these other plants that are all over the place in every community. They're not going to write,

this is the super duper top secret microchip plant right here on Beth Page Road. Yeah, of course, of course. But that's happening everywhere. Right. So many of these facilities are up to some seriously top secret stuff. And so what are some examples of your exposure to these facilities that are kind of operating? There was a place that I showed up to one time They had a couple of Humvees

It was almost like a nondescript Auto Mechanics Shop But in reality They're running super duper top secret contracts To upfit the Humvees For super high grade weapons and recon stuff But this is now happening right in Nassau County, Long Island So if that vehicle was on a base

It'd be guarded by the military It'd be super you know protected But now it's just in some big It's in Bay 2 of Jimmy's auto garage in Farmingdale. Crazy. Because they got the contract to do the stuff. And the name of the place is like... Not even on the building.

It's just like an auto body shop or something. Yeah, it would just be something nondescript, some local, you know, business. But in reality, it's anything but normal. And what is the benefit for the military to be operating like so out in the open, but secretly? The benefit is that no one knows what's going on. But why wouldn't they just do it on a base? Because they can't. The manufacturing is just everywhere.

We're talking on the manufacturing side. So it's like they don't build Humvees on the base. They don't build the jets on the base. That's the IC part of the MIC. You have the military industrial complex. The industrial complex is in all of our communities. And they can't just have like a centralized, like, hey, here's where we build all of our shit. centralized and known, then our enemy would just bomb it.

Oh, interesting. So they do it as a defense mechanism to say, like, hey, we're going to disperse it, and decentralize it, and it's going to kind of be everywhere but nowhere. Correct. Interesting. And this is all over America? This is in every country on the planet. Everyone's doing the same thing.

So in every town, basically, in the U.S., you feel it. Absolutely. Interesting. I mean, and we see this historically. I mean, look at the, we just had the Oppenheimer movie come out, which I didn't see. But, I mean, there's a huge portion of our country's labor force working towards the creation of a nuclear bomb in different compartments all over the country, unbeknownst to each other. Again, perfect proof of how compartmentalization works. You know, everybody always says, you know, if that was true, there'd be so many people involved in that that we'd have to know something.

No, the nuclear program was a perfect example of how that statement's not true. True. Because a bunch of people knew a little bit. So therefore nobody knew anything. And there was a couple of people that knew everything. A couple of people up top. But for the most part, I mean, we had whole towns. I mean, there was a point during the nuclear program where I think, like, they said something crazy. Like, one third of all of our nation's electrical output was going towards building the bomb. Really?

Right. It was so pervasive in every aspect of our society. but yet unbeknownst, you know, it's like the biblical term, don't let your left hand know what your right hand is doing. And they just, they nailed it. They do it all the time. It's easy. Wow. Everybody's really preoccupied with like, I don't know,

is my team going to win this Monday night football? Like, there's so much bullshit that they get us to pay a lot of attention to. Yeah, bread and circuses. Absolutely. Wow. Absolutely. So like in just a nondostrip, like strip mall in Kansas City. Right.

There might be some type of government program. Absolutely. And it's guys and suits and ties walking into a regular building. Yep. And they're working on one component of a thing. Perfect example, right? I've been saying this for years, right? That there's all this stuff going on under our noses, right?

And clear sight, right? So when I went to Washington, D.C. for the Greer event, for the disclosure, Senate Intelligence Committee testimony, I had to go speak to the folks at Arrow. Okay. And it was a big deal, apparently, that this location was super. duper duper secret. And they said to me, they're like, you can discuss anything we discussed here. They said the only thing that you're not allowed to discuss is who we are.

You can't say who we are. You're talking to us. You can never say who we are. And you can never say where you were at for the interview that this facility is super duper secret squirrel stuff. So I agreed to those parts. and then when my roommate and I went to go testify at Arrow, and she's someone who's very educated on my past, and someone who I've been speaking in nauseam about all my experiences

and all these shady buildings that I've been to that are right in the middle of the community, right? So we show up for this Arrow interview. We get the address, go to walk in the door, and I said, come here. So we walk right out of the building, close the door. And I said, okay. I said all those times I've told you before about showing up to nondescript places.

I said, look at what's going on right now. I said, this building is right? I said, is this not right in the middle of Averageville? Wow. I said, we walk in this building. I said, does it look like anything other than some legal office? Wow. Is there anything about this building that says it's the most super secret building you're ever going to be in?

Interesting. I said, but now we're going to go back in, and I said, and watch how fast everything changes. Wow. So we jumped into the elevator. Next thing you know, now we're going through it. It's like the start of get smart. Blast doors, this, secret service. Like, it got real quick.

Really? And this is what I'm telling people. This is what's going on around us. You can have the most top secret facility in the world right across the street from you, right here in Brooklyn. How would you know? Looks like an abandoned building, huh? Yeah, how would you know?

Yeah. And this is what they do. Wow. The industrial complex is all around us. Intentionally to disperse and not have, you know, focus from an enemy target or anything like that. That's part of it for sure. Another is just straight up cost-effective logistics.

I mean, back in the day, we had all these Nike nuclear missile sites all over the place. Turns out they're right in the middle. of our community. Because they need to be staffed. You need all of these people to work at these city-sized facilities. And if you're going to take it and remove it from the population, stick it in the desert in Nevada. And now you have to get all of these people. Now it gets really expensive to run the facility. And it also makes it like just this shining magnet of someone else looking at your setup and going, what are they doing over there? But if you take your

super duper secret stuff and just integrate it into it. to the community at large, there's your cover story right there. So you have genius-level scientists in Boston or New York City, and instead of paying and forcing them to relocate to some nondescript base out in the desert or out in Wyoming somewhere. Yeah, they just get a grant in their college that says, oh, we're working on this when it really means that. And now you have top secret super duper stuff happening right under everybody's noses.

You're getting college kids to work on it too. Wow. Wow. And you have first-hand experience with this because you were contracted to work the plumbing at a lot of these facilities. Correct. Wow. Yeah, places like AIL, TRW, Paul Corporation. These are just all military industrial contractor facilities that I've been in that were just shady as all hell. And what was your clearance? Like, why did you have access to go there? There is no clearance per se. This is, again, a testament to secret right under your nose because there's not a barbed wire fence. There's not a sign that. This says super top secrets. So there's no clearance required.

The secrecy comes in the denial of what the facility is. And so could any plumber have gotten access to work these facilities? I don't think so. Why? I think there's what I would call the approved list. And you feel like you're on the approved list. I feel like I was on the approved list. So similarly to like, you know, if Bill Gates has a leaky sink, he doesn't.

go to the yellow pages, he has an approved list. If his lights go out, he's got an, he's already got an electrician that's authorized to be there. He's already got a plumber that's allowed to be on his property. How you get to be on those lists, I don't know. But there's certainly a level of clientele that gets approved folks. Interesting. Because the other thing to consider too, I mean, big picture stuff, right? if you think countries are spying on each other and have armies fighting each other and you don't think corporations are playing the same game, then you really have no idea what's going on on this planet.

So, I mean, just for that being said, these folk have to get certain other folk dialed in because they have to worry about corporate espionage. They don't need some plumber coming in and tapping their bathroom or stuff like that. And then you're going to have other factions that are trying to do this. that. You know, oh, Bill Gates has a service call. Well, let's try to get our plumber in there and see if we can tap his house and get info out of them. Interesting.

All of these games are being played. And so you felt like you were on a list. Absolutely. You had access. Because of your military experience, because of your childhood experience. I would say, all connected. It's all connected. It's no one component.

It has to do with all of the things. Hmm. And then back to the conversation we're having about, like, kind of the free will thing, not to rehash it too much. No, no, go ahead. Did you feel like you had, like, free will to go into plumbing? I do. Like, from, I guess the way that I look at it would be like there's my chronological experience,

the way the order of the way that things occurred as they occurred. Everything seemed natural and like I had free will. I see. But in hindsight, I pause because now there's too many other things that I, also know where I feel more like, well, who built the roads? You know, did I really have a choice to go into plumbing? Was that really free will? Well, it seemed like it at the time. But now when I look at the limited choices, well, isn't that the power of the edit in and of itself to have my choices limited? So it's questionably free will? Or it... Yeah.

possibly was a guiding hand. So just to understand your position, do you feel like there was a person or people that were like Eric is going to become a plumber? Or do you feel like just society in the way that it's constructed led you to, you know, one of a couple options as a tradesman working in plumbing? Hmm. I think the more and more I think about the path that I took in life. By any of the details seems to be more and more guided.

Because it's hard pressed for me to say, like, I couldn't have gotten to the South Pole without have been first a plumber. So since I feel very staunchly that I was very much guided to that position, I have to look at the path that guided me there and really consider how much that was manufactured. Interesting. So I think, you know, in specifics to this question, I think there was a guiding hand that wanted me to gain a skill set. Is it possible it's God? Is it possible it's like a higher power? It is possible. I couldn't knock that off the list.

Again, back to Occam's razor. But I guess in my mind's eye, I would think if there was deity, God, I think we would perceive as more noble of intention, action, guidance. I don't know that I've seen so much the positive. I feel like a lot of the stuff that I've noticed up until this point seems to be very negative stuff. So I feel like in many ways that a lot of the intention applied by others seems to have been negatively motivated. Interesting. But with what you're suggesting, I hope you're right. I would like to get aligned with that.

I mean, maybe because of all of the bad things I've experienced, maybe I'm supposed to be a voice for good. And sometimes you have to, like, that would be great. Like if, I guess I would feel more comfortable with that if I accomplish the mission. Then I could look back and say, you know what? I accomplish good things by speaking on these topics. I'm going to try to think of it that way more often. Maybe.

Again, like, that feels better. Yeah. Because I think if you're looking at it like, yeah, you have a mission to try to educate people on all these atrocities that are happening that you've talked about, obviously, which are atrocious and things that you will talk about, you know, if all the things you're claiming are true and you're able to expose these things, then obviously that is an inherent good for humanity. I can follow that. So then therefore, maybe the guiding force is divine and maybe these people, if there's, you know, people at the top that are controlling your path, maybe they're actually, you know. doing an errand force and type of divine force. Who knows? That would be the best outcome.

Maybe. Maybe. Yeah. I guess. Yeah. I understand your position. I know a lot of people very personal, like closely to the relatives that have a similar worldview where they're sort of under a impression that there's a very direct guiding

material force on earth that's kind of leading them into specific, you know, directions. I guess me personally, I don't necessarily subscribe to that in the exact same way. but I do get the world. And I'm not opposed to the idea of a devouring guiding hand. I would just say that it's not something I would say that I immediately associate to, but I'm not opposed to. I mean, I absolutely believe that there's some sort of creator or grand architect of everything. I just have a hard time yielding to most people's definition of what that is. Yeah, and that's a big question in general.

I don't expect every person. For me personally, I don't even have a clear definition of what, you know, which I think is a more healthy perspective. Yeah. Is, you know, I just, I get frustrated with, you know, I believe there's something great and grand. And I find most people's definitions fall really short of the greatness and grandness. And it's like, oh, that sounds really limiting.

And, you know, if God is such an awesome thing, it seems to me that your definition is very limiting of this great thing. Sure, sure, sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think it's more greater than your definition. Right. Yeah, which I think is a reasonable objection, you know, just on, you know, the dogmatic sense of what religion is for different people. Right.

I think that makes sense. But, yeah, I guess to subscribe to that idea, like your dad would have had to be in on it being like, hey, go be a plumber. And was he impressed with the idea? I don't know. So that's where I come. Like, maybe. Who knows? But to you working as a plumber for, like, very high net worth people in Long Island at that time, can you talk?

And I don't know you've talked about this before, but some of the. odd things that you saw, you know, working for some of these high-profile clients. Yes. Master bathrooms, just a few decades ago before the whole digital conquest of the world. It used to be very common to have magazine racks in your bathroom. Really rich people had really fancy built-in magazine racks. Yeah, I've seen some movies. Yeah.

So I would go to work in someone's home, and I was over. very interested in what other people read. So if somebody's got a bookshelf, like if I was in here right now and you had a bookshelf behind you, I'd be more focused on the books behind you than looking at you because that would tell me more about you faster. You know, where is your brain at? What do you read? Where are your thoughts at?

So bookshelves and magazine racks I paid a lot of attention to. A lot of my customers had in their master bathroom racks. They had the Council on Foreign Relations Quarterly, the Trilateral Commission Annual. Those are really peculiar organizations. Why? Because they operate outside of the bounds of our government, and they're seated by most of the people that are in our government. So they're operating behind closed doors in secrecy, which is wholly illegal, according to the constitutions of our nation, is that we're not supposed to have politicians

meeting in private for other organizations that we the people have no oversight in, but yet it's occurring and everyone knows it. So council and foreign relations members, trilateral commission members, these were my customers. These are the nefarious component of society. I've worked for properties that were,

well, granted, they were dead by the time that I showed up, but it's still the, families running the property. And over in Rosal and Long Island, there is quite a few residences that were former director of central intelligence agency homes that I did the plumbing in. So again, I believe I was on some sort of a list

because these are certain types of profile homes that not your average Joe Blow Yellow Pages plumbers shows up to. Interesting. And did you see anything peculiar or do any peculiar jobs even maybe outside of the plumbing purview during those times? Well, yes, because besides the plumbage, plumbing stuff. Excuse me.

This is something that I brought up in the Patrick Bet David interview. I had a customer by the name of John Tunney that was with the Carlisle group. And he would call me up 24 hours a day. Anytime. Four in the morning. What's that? Four in the morning. Oh, absolutely.

Yeah, two in the morning, four in the morning. 24 hours a day. He could call me up. and he would just simply ask me what vehicle I was in and how close I was to getting to him time-wise. He wanted to know times, how close are you to me? And he could request me picking up a different vehicle. So I had a company work van that was a lettered work truck. I had a personal vehicle that I have for doing sidework.

So it was an unmarked plumbing vehicle. and then I had this really awesome Camaro that was a raging hot rod. And this guy could call me up and basically dictate which vehicle he wanted me to pick him up in. And how did you have a Camaro? You just bought it? That was my personal vehicle. You just saved money. Yeah, had a nice hot rod.

Were you making good money working as a... Oh, yeah, absolutely. Yep, it's a lucrative career, especially if you're good at it. You were paid above the average wage for... Slightly, yeah, absolutely. Yeah, I was definitely ahead of the curve, especially for my age. I was very youthful and had a lot of experience and skill. Six figures plus at that time?

No, not at that time. Okay. Yeah. But this guy could contact me 24-7, tell me which vehicle he wanted me to pick him up in, and then we would proceed to go to some billionaire's mansion that he wanted me to shuttle him to and fro. and I would say at the very least it was a very nondescript method for him to get around and do shady stuff

you know and at worst I mean there were times that I have recollections of going in with him to these places that I don't even really recall technically it's like teetering on memories it's like at the time it didn't really seem like much but now in hindsight I'm like man I can't believe

I can't remember that was it weird to you that he was calling a plumber and not like his personal driver? Not really. Really? Because I knew he was up to know. I mean, I was kind of a derelict when I was a kid. So I mean, at the time, I just figured the dude's up to shady stuff.

But shady stuff happens. And I just kind of figured, you know, look at this guy, like work in the system. Like, in my brain, I was just kind of like, oh, he's smart. You know, he wants to go do something without someone. knowing what he's doing. So this is interesting. And did he explain what was going on? Or did he explain to you?

I was a peon in the equation. I was under direction from my company owner to just do what the guy says. And you couldn't have objected to me like, hey, this falls outside of the grounds. He's paying the rate. Yeah. I was on emergency service.

Gotcha. So it's like, you know, you cover an emergency service and people are charged for our time. So this guy was basically getting a getaway driver for the rate of an overtime plumber. Right. And he doesn't want his driver to know or he doesn't want to pay the driver's rate or something? I was the driver and he was paying the rate.

But I'm sure if you're a billionaire, you probably have a driver, right? I don't know. That's probably more noticeable than zipping around in a plumbing truck without people knowing. Makes sense. I think again there's different levels of investment and subterfuge and so you would go inside of some of these mansions with him and why would you go in rather than just stay in the car did he tell you?

He would dictate that stuff and so he would just say hey follow me. For the most part I stayed outside interesting for the most part I just I barely recall there was a couple of times where he was like come inside and I just followed him and what happened there? He had conversations with the people inside

three in the morning yeah do you remember what the conversations were about? I would be in a little bit of a distance, so I was not privy to what they were talking about. Interesting. So it's just like, I think like a show of force. And do you have any speculation as to why he wanted you inside the home? Show of force and or his own apprehension.

Interesting. Would be my guess. He never communicated what we were going anywhere for. He never gave me like a heads up. It was just direction. He was like, let's pick me up. I would pick him up. He would get in the vehicle.

He'd give me a. address. I would go where he said to go. And I would bill his company for the time we were dealing with him. And do secret type of like covert meetings and things like that. Correct. And interesting. I mean, and I can't imagine a billionaire is doing like crimes.

Why not? What what billionaire do you know is a really noble guy? I mean, not for nothing. Why do they get a free pass? But in my mind, I'm like, there's no dude on the corner of Brooklyn bringing in container ships full of

cocaine from foreign countries. That's billionaire level activity. Yeah. No, that's fair. Let's be really honest here. The billionaires are probably some of the biggest shitheads on this planet fucking it up for the rest of us. But you think he was doing it himself? Doing what? Like whatever crime or whatever.

Yeah, I was literally driving him to do it. Oh, really? Whatever he was doing, he was doing directly. Can you speculate at all what you think he was doing? Threatening the shit out of people? Oh, really. Wild. I mean, if I'm going to speculate, yeah.

I mean, what other reason do you show up at someone's doorstep at 2 in the morning other than to be flexing is the way I look at it? Wild. Mm-hmm. This is tiny of the tiny boxing family lineage. Interesting. And then how long are that going for? I guess the entire time that I would have been associated with that company.

Say a year or two? I was with that outfit a couple of different. windows of employment. So I would say cumulatively, it would have been on and off for maybe four or five years total. Oh, wow. And then he would call you up like once every couple weeks kind of thing? I don't think it was that frequent. Interesting.

Oh, but the other thing to consider, too, is that I was only getting the communications for the most part when I'd be covering emergency service. So someone else from my company was covering emergency service. Interesting. So this is, again, his level of plausible deniability and diversified liability to the, is that he's getting all of these different vehicles all the time. Interesting. Yeah, I mean, this is just how people do stuff.

And did you ever ask anyone else at the company and any of the other plumbers? I've been talking to some folks since, and we've been dialing things in. So there's facilities that I've worked at that I knew were shady, right? So in my recollection, I'm like, yeah, you know that building. was really messed up. And now talking to folks, and they're like, you didn't have to sign an NDA when you worked there? I'm like, you did? Oh, really?

Some of them did. Correct. Wow. Yeah, so there's a lot of peculiarity. I have no idea why some of the buildings that I know that I worked in. I didn't sign an NDA to be functioning in there. Other workers that I know that now went there, they did. Interesting.

Yeah, so there's no real rhyme or reason to a lot of this stuff. and I don't have all of the answers, but I got a lot of great questions about a lot of weird buildings on Long Island. Wow. And these other guys that he worked with, they corroborated your story. They're like, yeah, he called me up and we did.

Yeah, there's a lot of that going on, and I'm trying to bring more to the forefront, but this is me. I'm, you know, connecting the Dodge, trying to decipher my experience and get things figured out, and I'm getting there, but there's a lot to connect.

And so for the most part, you think that he was doing covert meetings, show of force, like kind of intimidating people, things like that. I do you think there was ever a time where he was doing like actual like crimes, I guess. I guess intimidation is kind of a crime. But like...

I mean, he could have been tuning people up in there that I didn't see. I mean, was he an older guy? He was an older gentleman, but he, I mean, he was, I would assume, pretty bad mother fudger. I mean, he's, you know, trained fighter. He comes from a family of fighters and he's, you know, with an organization that's known to be pretty nefarious. The Carlisle group is, you know, associated to the Bush family. and all kinds of shenanigans on this planet. Wow.

Yeah, that's pretty wild. And were you ever scared in the time that you were doing this or working with them? I probably have issues for not being scared more often than when I should be. I'm scared hearing about it. Yeah. When I was a little kid, my father used to refer to me as a habitual line stepper. Yeah. And I think that's part of why I get to do the things that I do is that I guess I don't have that apprehension to

step over the line and see what might happen. Interesting. And so you kind of were just going forward with this, like kind of knowing there was some shadiness, but not really looking into it too much. It didn't really matter to me at the time. I was in my early 20s. You know, I mean, I'd seen all kinds of shenanigans before.

Yeah. In the grand scheme of things, this was pretty moderate. Yeah. I mean, I'm driving a dude to a house. I'm not seeing what's going on I mean in my brain I already had plausible to know

what if this guy is doing that what does that mean to me yeah what am I gonna get pinched for driving a guy to a place and having no idea what he did in there yeah I mean I can because I could easily say I have no idea what he was doing in there

but do I really have no idea what he's doing in there enough to deny it yeah exactly so that's where my brain was at at the time interesting you know and you never really told like you didn't tell anyone or ask like did you ask like the company manager or like anything like that? I don't really recall having a problem with it and asking per se. But I feel like they were just like just simple conversations on like, hey, did John give you a call last night?

It was more like billing. Like it was like more like, oh, how many hours were you out with them last? Like it was that type. Like, so it was like, yeah, it was just like to properly invoice. Like, so people knew it was going on. Interesting. It was just billing it correctly. Yeah.

Because we were charging for the service. Very interesting. And you have no idea which addresses he was going to or the people. No, not off the top of my head. Very interesting. Yeah. And so you do that for five, six years. And then what are you doing the rest of your time?

Like you're just living like the regular life of a 20-year-olds? Yeah. I mean, just doing, yeah, building hot rods, having fun, street racing. That's cool. Yeah, just having a blast. You like to go fast? I do. Yeah.

Yeah. And that was, I mean, not for, I mean, that was probably reason why sometimes he would say, you know, how long, where are you at? He would say, where are you at? How long before you can be to this address with the Camaro. Oh, sick. Like those conversations would occur. Yeah. Sometimes he wanted me to bring that car.

Interesting. And, yeah, I mean, and you're right. So, like, that, that would be where my brain would go. sometimes I'd be like, oh, he wants me to get the Camaro tonight. Would that change what the task was at all? Unbeknownst to me, but I could only suspect, like, if he's going to be patient enough for me to go get that car right now. Yeah. Apparently, that's the tool he's pulling out of the toolkit tonight.

So there's a higher probability that we might get to do some fun driving tonight. And you would go fast. Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah. Like, there was, like, yes, sometimes he would dictate expedience. Interesting. Yeah, sometimes he would emphasize, like, I'm over here. How fast, like, how fast can you get to me with the camera? And he wanted to know, like, realistically, like, you're going to be, are you, are you 90 minutes from getting to me with that car right now? And he would start considering and calculating and. and you never signed an NDA.

You're not violating an NDA right now talking about it. Nope. Wild. And this is what I try to express to people is that the most secret stuff, they would never come near you with an NDA because that's admitting to something going on. Hmm. And so you do this for a better part of like 10 years.

Less than that. Less than that. Okay. And then you're just continuing to work as a plumber. Like basically what is the gap from like the 2000s? to 2010 when you get to the South Pole? Just a different fistful of employers. I did about trying to get my own company off the ground.

I was pushing that angle until about 2008 when the Obama administration came in and totally devastated the New York economy. And then at that point, I started looking for other employment options, and that's when I came across the South Pole station. You have some kids, like life is going... Yep, life's just moving at the speed of life.

Yeah. Making pretty decent money. Making pretty decent money until a 2008 debacle and everything tanked. And, you know, my business acumen was for plumbing and heating service. And, you know, when the tides changed, I wasn't really, you know, like, oh, I'm some marketing whiz. And I can just drum up, you know, a thousand clients. It wasn't that simple. So I started looking towards direct employment again.

And unfortunately, I mean, there was. literally like two jobs on the planet at that point. One of them was in Colorado and I forget where the other one was actually at the time. But I looked into the one, it was some school district somewhere. And then the other one that was listed as Colorado when I applied, they're like, we're not really Colorado-based. We're Antarctica and where they're this and I was like, fuck that because I did not want to go to Antarctica and South Pole. I was just, that wasn't where my brain was at.

in Long Island. You're not going to just leave. It wasn't my intention, but then the other job didn't really pan out. And then the Antarctica thing was the only thing really left. So, like, is it free will that I went to Antarctica? It was literally the only company on the planet that would cut a check for me. Wow. Did I have free will to go there?

I would say it's highly questionable. I would say it's really possible. I was set up to go to Antarctica because they knew I had kids to feed and no other choice. Interesting. Yeah, so that's basically how I got my foot in the door in that program. And you had to do a job interview for that. Oh, absolutely. It was wildly extensive. Really?

And I didn't even get picked up the first round. I applied one season. Didn't even get picked up. But then because I had it on my radar, I tried again the next season. And it was the second round that I got snatched up in. Wow. And things move forwards. And then they bring you out to Colorado.

You do all kinds of tests. psychological evals. It was a lot. I'm sure they examine your skills. They're like, you know, you go through some type of like skill assessment. Well, that was more the interview process. They had one of their, one of their hiring folks was a tradesman and we had a lot of communications on the phone about that. But no actual practical test, so to say.

But there was written exams. There was verbal conversations about. stuff, full-blown psyche vows that were hilarious. When I went for the test, they give you the Minnesota multi-phazic test, which is like this psychological evaluation that was made up in the 1950s, and it's a joke. But it's like literally like many hundreds of questions. And it's like multiple choice, like benign things you would think, like, you know, would you'd rather be a carpenter or a florist?

And then it asked you that like 16 different ways. You're like, you know you again? You're like, what the hell? So they have this weird multiple choice test. But then they also pull you out of the room for a one-on-one psyche vow with a shrink. And I got pulled out and the guy, it was so funny. The guy's asking these questions. And I mean, I had barely started the multiple choice.

So it's not even like they could have had much. to go off of when he pulled me into the room. But I remember one of the questions he asked me, he says straight out, he goes, he goes, he goes, have you ever considered homicide? And what, that depends on if you pass or fail me. And he got so, he went, boy, he got screwed to the ceiling when I said that.

I'm like, I'm just kidding. I'm like, I'm not going to kill you if you fail me. That's fun. Yeah, he was not laughing at all. He got really mad at that. Yeah, he got like legitimately twisted. And what happened? I kept laughing and trying to tell him, I'm just kidding,

as he just got like more and more bent about how not funny it was for me to have done that. But you eventually got it, though. I did eventually get the gig. Wow. In spite of you threatening to kill him. That's wild. That's why you know you're a good plumber. Yeah.

And so you get the gig, you basically are like, all right, I guess I'm going to go. have second thoughts about it? Were you apprehensive? Or like once you finally were like, okay, this is my only chance. I didn't really have any apprehensions. I just looked at it as my only option. So I just looked at it as like, I got to do what I got to do. I guess if I was to say like, if there was a time that I did have apprehension, I would say it was when we were switching from the summer season into the winter season. And we were at the point where the last plane was leaving. And now it's just the 49 of us left at the South Pole. So watching that last plane leave, that was like tangible reality, like kicking in where I was like, that was the, like,

that's it. Now we're stuck here. Yeah. And that was like, that was weird. The silence kind of kicks in. And the reality of the decision. Yeah. Like, wow, I just chose to be stuck here for nine months. Like, that's the plane. Like, where up until that plane departing, you could have quit and been like, that's it. I changed my mind. I don't want to do this.

But once that last plane leaves, that's it. Now you're stuck there. And you flew in. Yeah. From Argentina or something? From Christchurch, New Zealand. Oh, wow. Interesting.

So you go from New Zealand, you fly into. To McMurdo on the coast. and then from McMurdo inland to the South Pole. Wow. And so you make it to the South Pole. How long do you stay in McMurdo for? Oh, geez. I don't think I spent 12 hours in McMurdo on my way south to pole.

And same thing on the way out when I departed. It's literally just a stop. Yeah, it was a pit stop for me both ways. Some people have a few days at McMurdo on either end. It just didn't work out that way. for me, we just processed right through. Like, boom, get on this flight, boom, get on that flight. And McMurdo, is that where most people go if, like, they go and visit?

Or, like, if you're a scientist, you know, working down there. It is the largest facility on the continent is my understanding. Got it. So if I were to go visit Antarctica, for whatever reason, I probably would end up at McMurdo. Is that fair to say? Yep, high probability. And do you feel like there's shadiness at McMurdo? Oh, absolutely.

Really? I think everything going on in Antarctica is highly suspect. Interesting. And to support that, I've become friends with John Warner the 4th, who is son of John Warner the third, who was the former Republican senator for Virginia and the former secretary of the Navy, which puts him in charge of Operation Deep Freeze, which is the military's aspect in Antarctica for many years. Prior to passing away, John III was speaking to John the 4th, his son, about peculiarities in Antarctica.

And John told me that his father had stated very clearly that there are submarine operations going on in Antarctica below the ice with peculiar tunnels and secret bases. And when he asked his father, what was this going on for? His father said, space operations. And he told you this directly. Correct. And he said this before publicly. Wow.

And what does that mean to use space operations? A lot. Again, we have no idea what's going on in this planet. on this people farm that we're on. There is off-world activities. Some people refer to it as a breakaway civilization, that there is a high level of technological advancement that only a small percentage of the people on this planet

are aware of and privy to using. And a lot of it is happening from Antarctica. And so you seem to be suggesting that Antarctica appears larger on this map than most maps that we look at today. Correct. And do you believe Antarctica is larger than it's presented? Than presented, yes. I see. They don't want people to consider how massive it is.

I believe, because then questions get into, you know, I mean how much resources are available. Yeah. You know. And what leads you to believe that it's bigger than it actually is? The fact that they're trying to misrepresent it. Oh, I see. So some maps, because it shows it is larger and taking more land mass. It shows it as smaller across the board.

This is the first time I've seen a map that indicates more accurately the size than other maps. Interesting. That's what caught my eye on this one. This is a problem with maps in general. I don't know if you've looked into this. There's a lot of projection issues because you're trying to show a spherical thing on a flat surface. Correct. As a result, like, I think people underestimate how large Africa is.

Correct. And that like, or even Australia. Like, Australia is basically the size of North America or of America that you could overlay Australia. And it's taking up the entirety of America from, you know, New York to L.A. Yeah. So I just think for the way that a lot of maps are projected, there's a lot of issues. Correct.

And I'm just saying that Antarctica is par for the course. They're very quick to misrepresent the content of Antarctica. Yeah. Which I guess, you know, I could kind of see as making sense if it's so insignificant and nothing's going on there and you never look there, yada yada, no one lives there. Then it doesn't even really matter. Just put a little white at the bottom. Just keep it off the radar. Yeah, that's interesting.

So you get there in 2010 and you know your contract just for about a year. Officially when I first got there, I was contracted for the summer season and was trying to get a confirmation for the winter season. and then I pulled it off. Got it. And legally, how long are you allowed to stay at the station for? I think the most... And it's not a legal thing, it's just a corporate decision thing. So I think between what they call like wind fly and starting...

I think the most you can really be on ice in a single stint might be like 14 months. Okay. If you really show up at the front end and stay really late. And so about a year, give or take, is like about the length. And they intentionally have that barrier because people start to go crazy a little bit. They get kooky. Yeah. Yeah.

I mean, it's a different environment. It's sensory deprivation to a level that most people can't even comprehend doing without nowadays. So it's taxing. Yeah. And so what do you start to see and what do you start to notice once you're, get there, you're living there. What is that experience like? Austere conditions, I guess, would be the nice way of putting it.

When I first showed up there, it was the summer season, and we were sleeping in what they called James Ways, but they're just, they're arched tents from the Korean War. Yeah. Yeah. So it's like, you almost can't believe what's going on. You're like, wait a minute, I went to South Pole. They stuck me to tent. You're like, fuck.

You know, it's like, it's harsh. Yeah. From the knees down in the room was freezer temperatures. Really? Yeah, like, so our beds were elevated to a height that they were like outside of that zone. But I didn't realize for like the first few days there. Like, get out of work, sit in my bed, take my boots off, put them over in the corner, go to bed, wake up, put my boots on. to go to the elevated station for breakfast.

And by the time I'm halfway there, I'm like, man, my feet hurt. Boots are frozen. I wasn't dawning on me, but you're right. Like the boots at that position, I finally figured. And everyone was like, oh, you're an idiot. You got to tie your boots to the ceiling at night so they don't freeze. I'm like, oh, I wish someone told me that. You know, so there was some trial and error stuff at the beginning that was like a, you know,

a harsh learning curve to get yourself dialed in. But eventually you acclimate. You get things figured out. Mother Nature doesn't hurt so much anymore. and, you know, you just go through the motions. Did you have worse conditions because of your status as sort of like a maintenance plumbing expert versus like a scientist? Worse conditions, yes, because of accommodations. Oh, interesting.

I was lower on the food chain. So, yes, there was, you know, people that were scientists and stuff got to stay inside the elevated station, which is like, you know, similar to a room with the pod. You know, it's just a basic, tight quarters, you know, nothing fancy, but you get your own spot and it's not a tent. Yeah, it's warm. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That whole heat thing is really cool. It's nice, right? And so you're staying, do you've roommates kind of in your little tent?

Or is it a... Yes, it was a big, long tent. So an arched tent, like, so imagine like this, but now your room's over there, my room's over here. So there's a blanket hanging down in the middle as a divider. Wow. That's what room a roommate was like. So I didn't have a roommate because I was the only person on my side of the blanket. but you can hear that person breathing all night long

from the other side of the blanket And how was that guy? Did you like being with him? There's a whole tent There's 20 people in the tent With blanket dividers So you heard everyone everywhere And did you like your time with them?

Was it cool? Yes That's cool. Yeah Like there was a camaraderie amongst those folks Absolutely And what type of plumbing issues were you dealing with initially? Running toilets, leaking urinal.

Every single common plumbing issue that you would have anywhere else in the world was also going on there. You had boilers that you had to maintain. You had hot water production for showers that you had to maintain. We manufactured our own water out of melting the ice. So that was a whole other system. It was just everything that you need for a sustainable. side. Any place where you have people, your level of civilization is limited by the excellence of your plumbing. So in a remote location like this, you can really only accomplish so much as your

plumbing system can. Wow. I mean, that's, you know, the Romans gave us aqueducts and everybody's like, yeah, aqueducts. Well, the other word for that is called plumbing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, we haven't changed much. No, yeah, you want to have civilization. You need quality plumbing. Is there still subterranean plumbing in Antarctica? Absolutely. And how do the pipes not just freeze immediately? Because it's, they have a central pipe that is encased inside of a massive amount of insulation.

Wow. And then just underneath the central pipe, there's two other littler pipes that run underneath that have heat trace in them. So it's literally a radiator. Say that again? A radiator that's radiating the pipe kind of thing. similar, I guess you would say. It's got a heat source. It is insulated.

And then also the water piping is recirculating. So if you're not running a faucet and the water stops flowing, that in and of itself, still water wants to freeze faster than moving water. So if you can keep the water moving, so we had it recirculating. And the heat trace was heating it. So those two functions kept the lines from freezing. insulation movement heat. Correct.

Got it. That's interesting. And so you're just doing regular kind of like plumbing maintenance work. Yeah, just keep that stuff gone. I mean, sometimes the heat trace would go down. Sometimes the recirc pump would go down. Sometimes the primary water source. There's all kinds of things that could break that we had to deal with.

Now, you had access to the whole facility. Correct. Did everyone else that was in your, like, sort of role also have full access? The utilities folks, yes. The repairmen. Yes. The non-repair folk? Absolutely not. It was pretty strict.

It was strict in as so far as key sets were only distributed to certain people. So, I mean, again, not putting top secret signs on, but things were, I don't want to say need to know, but need to access. If you didn't have the need to access something, you didn't. Right. And no one really questioned it. they were getting ego-stroked. So the scientists at South Pole Station were very compartmentalized. Right.

And very ego-stroked because I, breaching the doors of each compartment, would lead the witness, so to say, hey, tell me about everything that's going on in this room, scientist. And then they would proceed to come at me with, well, you may not know this, but my project is the most important project. of the whole facility. And in reality, all these other departments are here to support my mission. But I'm hearing this from every single door that I walk here. And what are they saying that they're working on?

Oh, I'm looking for other stars, looking for other planets, that type of stuff. Looking for neutrinos. Looking in the atmosphere to make sure that, you know, the air is clean and things like that. All these different science things that they're all being ego fluffed and they're all being told, this is the most important thing. The other stuff, you know, yeah, we put money into it, but it's not as important as what you're doing. And do you believe these scientists that you spoke to are actually doing the work that they said that they're doing? Yes.

Do you think that they're also doing other work? I don't. I think that the scientists are in a compartment that from their perspective, the system that they're working on does do the thing that it's supposed to be doing from their perspective and they're not paying attention to what else it can do and there's other people doing the secondary and tertiary options unbeknown to the scientists who are doing the benign surface level stuff that's presented to the public I see so if I sat down with one of these scientists and they go yeah of course I know Eric I was there in 2010 he came in

We had a nice chat. And I said, are you working on, you know, directed energy weapons? Oh, they would say absolutely not. And they would be telling the truth. Correct. Interesting. Mm-hmm. And this is how plausible deniability works.

Right. And why they do these things. Like, this is it in a nutshell. But you kind of had access. Did you have access to the secondary and tertiary scientists? Yes. Yes. And how did you know what they were working on was, you know?

Because we discussed it. And what did they say? That you need to pay attention to what's really going on. And we communicated about what these systems really do. And they told you this. Correct. And what words did they tell you? I'm going to be as unspecific as saying in very specific terms.

This is when I learned about the ability for the Ice Cube neutrino detector to transmit. And I'll go so far saying that I have come to learn that myself and other members of my crew are negatively impacted in our health by functioning these devices. So it was in that collective of what did they do to us that we had to start figuring out what's really going on. And I had crew that had reached out to me who was having negative health issues and they were curious as to where I was at. And it was in this exchange that I kind of was like, listen, dude, I can see that there's other stuff going on.

And what were their symptoms? I don't want to get into that because it's there. It's health stuff. So this is HIPAA protected. What I would say at this point is it's the standard list of items that we see being discussed is what we contemporarily call Havana syndrome symptoms, which are the list of directed energy weapon stuff. Interesting.

In a general sense of the term, you could say mental degradation, skin issues, tinnitus. Vertigo, maybe. Yes. All of these things. I've had Mark Polymeropolis, former CIA operative, that's now a whistleblower for Havana Syndrome. Oh, there you go.

He came on the show. I would just say, go with that. list. That's what was happening to my crew. That's what's happening to myself and what got us discussing what's really going on at this facility. You also had some of these symptoms. Absolutely. Correct. Did you start to ask some of these scientists like, hey, all of our guys are getting sick. Like, what's going on? I went through the gamut. I discussed with certain people that we had inquiries going on with the crew. Some people are hurt. Some people have questions. There's some people from my crew that are young and dead already. And it doesn't make sense. Not of, you know, self-inflicted or, you know,

Not of self-inflicted, but yes, but of peculiar health stuff that seems premature. As an example, my winter oversight manager. This is something you could look up if you want to look up. Renee Nicole Ducure. Okay, can we include her name? Absolutely. This is public info because she went public during my winter season. She...

I'm sorry. Can you say her name again? Renee, Nicole, and then it's Deuce you, I believe it's D-O-U-C-E-R. Okay. So if you type in that name along with South Pole Station, you're going to start getting a whole bunch of news articles from 2011 where she was trying to get herself evacked from the South Pole Station. Hmm. Now, that might not seem odd to anybody else in this conversation.

It's extremely odd to me because this is the person who, hired me. Oh, really? You knew her personally. She was my, yes, I knew her personally. I trained with her to go to the South Pole. She was my winter site manager during the South Pole. She was the incident commander from when we had emergencies. This is a person that I spent a year with there. So I can read some of this article, if you'd like this. Absolutely. This is from NBC News. A sick American engineer who had been working at the South Pole for a year has been successfully evacuated and said Monday she slept for a whole plane right to New Zealand for medical treatment. Renee Nicole D'Sure

described the flight in an email to the associate press. My brain is still intact, she wrote. She said she is scheduled for a test on Tuesday. She's 58 from Seabrook, New Hampshire. She's a reshirt station contractor for Raytheon Polar Services. She asked for an emergency evacuation after

having what doctors believe was a stroke, but officials rejected her request because of bad weather, saying that sending a rescue plane was too dangerous and that her condition wasn't life-threatening. Doctors say she contacted for a second opinion. say a tumor may have caused her vision and speech problems. After initially having half of her field of vision vanished, Osir said last week she can now read if she concentrates on just a few words at a time.

She said she sometimes jumbles words and has had trouble remembering simple lists of words during medical evaluations. The list goes on and the article continues. That's very interesting. So I don't doubt that she was negatively impacted by something during our time at the South Pole Station. I believe that she in her injured state started trying to figure out what happened to her and off of the list of possibilities of what she could consider, she aligned it to having a stroke. That was her choice. There was no doctor on site that said that they believed she had a stroke.

Our facilities on site, we did not have any equipment to confirm nor deny her assessment of herself having a stroke. when she did leave the ice and did go to Johns Hopkins University to have an assessment. Their assessment stated that she absolutely did not have a stroke. So I would suggest with all the things that I have connected that what she simply was experiencing was the end result of directed energy weapons systems fire. Have you spoken to her? No. Have you reached out?

Negative. We were not on good terms. Oh, interesting. Correct. Okay. Just a person. Just is, yes, we, over the course of that year became less friendly. I understand.

With each other. We started out chummy, you know, train, do all this stuff. But then over the course of that year, she's not a person that I would say that I saw eye to eye with. And we butted heads often. Related to that. Work stuff. Professional is just complete differences of opinion on how to do stuff. Totally fun.

Yeah, just professional discrepancies. But with that being said, she's still part of my crew, of which I would say that we were in it together, so to say. And that what they did to her is what they did to everyone else. And all of that was wrong. Interesting. And you were there when she was evacuated? Yep. Interesting.

So you remember her leaving being like, she's in, and did you see her before she left? Every day. And she was in bad shape. Absolutely. Wow. She, they drugged her, like straight up. I don't know what they gave her. But she, I mean, like I had said to you before, the term was toasty.

So we were joking. Obviously, she had something else major wrong. But we were joking at the time that she was losing it. But there was also concerns because we were told that in case of an emergency, like a super duper emergency, that there was a pistol on the facility. But technically she was the one in charge of it. So it got to the point where everybody was like, well, she's losing her mind. And she's the one with the pistol.

And then the surgeon at one point just apparently made the decision that she's better off just being doped up. And at some point they gave her something. And you could walk past her in the hallways and it was like you were invisible. She didn't even see you anymore She was in a different world Maybe it was just you Maybe she didn't like you Everyone was invisible to her at that point

And that's how she didn't like me At that point in time And that's how I knew the invisibility was working Because I could walk right by her And not get the dirty looks That I was used to getting Oh, that's so wild And so to take it back

These secondary and tertiary scientists That are doing the real kind of nefarious work As you claim They were telling you kind of what was actually going on in specific terms like, hey, here's the deal, here's what's going on. This is what we can also do. And is there a reason, and again, you don't have to go into the details, but is there a reason that you're sort of being vague about like what they said word for word? Is there a legal component?

Well, it's not so much a legal thing. It's just that I don't want to get back to them. A lot of this stuff that I communicated was in good faith that I would move forwards with this information. and that they don't want their name associated with it. Got it. They're choosing to be not as bold in action. Sure. And I'm choosing to be on point.

And that's just the way that it works right now. And so you know their names. Oh, absolutely. If you were subpoenaed by some higher court to disclose everything. I might forget then. I understand. Yeah, fuck them. At this stage of the game, like, I mean, I have a lot of problem with how this went down.

Yeah. I'm not here to help the enemy. Mm-hmm. Interesting. I mean, this is a fight right now. Yeah. For the consciousness of humanity that we were discussing earlier. This is just now where we're at now.

Interesting. So you're speaking with them. They're telling you kind of what's going on. Do you feel like they feel a guilt associated with what they're doing? Absolutely. But they're doing it anyway. Interesting. And these are qualified, very excellent scientists, I'm assuming.

They're not necessarily scientists. That term's thrown around loosely in the program. there's few scientists in the program. There's more support staff. These are technicians, I guess. They would be tradesmen by some definition. Interesting. That, you know, you could say that, you know,

a guy's a repairman of a computer system that a scientist is working on. I understand. Well, the scientist is an operator for what they're told the system can do. If it turns out that the actual repairment of that system knows it a lot more profoundly and can accomplish more with that technology than the scientists, that's also reality.

Everybody thinks, well, the scientist is so smart because he can move the dials and, you know, get a reading. Really, but if the machine breaks, what does he do? He calls the repair man. You think the repair man doesn't know how to do everything that scientist can do with that machine? Of course he does because he's the one that can repair it. He's got to know all the bells and the whistles. So it'll be that person who knows the secondary and tertiary tasking that can be accomplished.

It'll be that person that's representing some alphabet agency under false pretenses of wearing. I got a with Raytheon polar services. I couldn't possibly work for the CIA because then I'd have to wear that hat. No, of course, there's a lot of factions that are operating under false pretenses. Interesting. So just like I was saying before, when you have buildings and facilities and industrial complex things right under your nose because they're not going to write DARPA or CIA research building. Right. Same thing they could send employees into these things and they don't have to be wearing their CIA hat. Right.

Hmm. So these guys kind of tell you what the deal is and what's going on. And are you kind of scared when you hear that? Are you shaken? Are you like... I'm more disturbed. Yeah. That I was tricked into such a circumstance

because it made me very aware that this could happen to other people. Right. And now you're kind of aiding and abetting this thing that you no longer really support. Right. And you thought you were going to go help some penguin scientists. Correct. And now all of a sudden you're... Yeah.

Now all of a sudden we're dealing with, you know, earthquake devices, ELF systems, mind control. The ELF system, that's something that I can. came across with my own direct first-hand experience. What is an ELF system? ELF system is, again, a directed energy weapons platform. So we have the whole gamut of what that could be. Do you know what it stands for, ELA? Extra low frequency is my understanding.

Okay. It's a long. Sign wave. Yes, thank you. And it has been suggested in so many. different research papers and things that it's that this ELF band can be used to functionally get in there amongst other things but more specific to this story was just simply that I learned through my own direct firsthand experience that the ELF system at the South Pole station which

we were told is off is not off So again, what's with the deception? What's with the subterfuge? If it's such a benign system, why are you lying about it being operational? And so what is the cover for what this ELF system does? The cover would be that it is observing the magnetosphere of the planet. Okay.

And so what does that mean? Do you know what that means? It means that they're concerned. with how the energy coming off of the sun engages the magnetosphere of the planet, and I guess for lack of the proper terms, more or less, reshaping it or burning it off. And so these waves are able to detect that? This antenna can detect that. The ELF is basically a massive antenna embedded in the ice.

I understand. Is there a reason it has to be in Antarctica, this ELF system? I wouldn't know the answer to that one, but I just suspect that the remoteness from all other interfering frequencies is the benefit. Interesting. And do you think there's more that exist around the world in other remote places? Mm-hmm. Okay. Yep.

Interesting. And they're all, quote-unquote, according to you, you know, testing the magnetosphere of the... Oh, I don't know that that. That's what they're all doing. Sorry, not according to you, but that would be the cover. There's multiple covers as well. Submarine communications. There's all kinds of things.

This is one of the things that we have to realize with this new direction of technology is that things are way more multifaceted than we're familiar with considering. I see. So something can be used for two purposes. And then some all day long. This lighter I have next to me can be used for lighting a candle. It can also be used to burn down this building. Correct, in that capacity.

That makes sense. Yes, all of these energy things are not singular. I see. Which adds to the plausible deniability, because when it can do all of these things, you know, it's, yeah, it's a lot to unpack. And so why are you so confident that this ELF is being used to, you know, be a weapon against humanity?

Because they're lying about it being on. If it was completely positive and benign, then they'd be advertising it on. They wouldn't be trying to tell everyone it's off. I mean, they put a lot of time and effort into telling us it's not on. Long story short, when I went to go do a repair, I had to, there was a pump that I had to swap out. So, and this is so funny,

because I've told the story a bunch of times, I get all kinds of heat in the comment section because they're like, oh, this guy's such a liar because why would a plumber ever touch electrical? And it's like, okay, just do me a favor and stop presenting your ignorance to the equation. Here's the easy answer. Plumbers change pumps out.

Pumps have electricity on them. So in order for me to change the pump out, I got to take the electrical off. It is literally that simple. So in order for me to disconnect the electrical from a pump, I've got to go back to a circuit breaker panel and kill the power. This is completely standard work stuff.

Lockout, tag up. kill the circuit breaker, de-energize the equipment, pull the pump out, re-energize the, reconnect the power to the equipment, take the lockout, tag out off, re-energize it and test your work. In this process for this pump swap, I had to go to the circuit breaker panel and confirm positive power isolation. When I got to the breaker panel, things weren't labeled correctly to give me pause. I started looking, I said, this doesn't really match.

This looks like it goes to this circuit, but it doesn't make sense because this one here that's labeled off is actually on. So now I got curiosities, and I got to run it up the chain of command because something doesn't seem right. I bring in my facilities engineer to go through the circuits with me, and I find out that the circuit that was labeled off but was in fact on and energized was the ELF. And at that point, I was just directed to go back to the circuit that I am working on because I've now confirmed that that is the right circuit. So I can kill that breaker and I can safely do my work. So it's the end of your conversation in this breaker panel.

You know everything you need to know now to do your job. Go away is basically what it was at. But in that exchange, I now learned the ELF at South Pole Station is absolutely on. So now that brings us back to Occam's Razor and what's everything that's possible with a directed energy weapon system that's energized at the South Pole. And it appears to be a lot. Is it possible that it's getting power but it's not on? Yeah, I mean, just like you could have... Like this light over here is plugged in.

Correct. But you're not actively using it. Right. So it's pulling a draw from the circuit. The breaker would be on for it. Right. But the light isn't on because we can see the switch is off. Understood.

And so is there a way to test that or to know that based off of your experience? Yes. And I did learn that it was energized and functioning because of when I found out the primary cover story of measuring this magnetosphere was ongoing. So they admitted that what? their use case was for it. They admitted a use case for it, so I can get confirmation that, yes, the circuit was energized, and B, it was also being used for at least one actionable, observable scientific experiment. And you asked one of the scientists there, and they said, yes, it is.

I learned what scientist was doing what with it. Interesting. And then, and how can you conclude that it's nefarious? from the fact that they were being sneaky about it being on or off? Yeah. I mean, that's pretty much how life works. When people are up to no good, they try to hide it. That's my experience.

Interesting. Yeah, maybe. I could see that. Yeah, I wonder if there's another explanation for that. Like, if there's like a different... It sure would be nice if when people were hiding stuff from us that we ever learned. good. But how often does that happen? I think my position is the more realistic one than yours, which is optimistic. Right. Maybe. Yeah, I could see. I mean, I get the desire for optimism at this

point, but I would say that's just being naive. Maybe. And so the ELF, if it's on, getting power, they're lying about it being on, but it is actually being on. When we look at the list of all negative things that are possible that you can do with an ELF, gives us a motive for why they might be lying about it being on. I see. And then what can you do with the LF? You said if you direct it at a person, like how to,

do you know the logistics of how else? As an example, the University of Wisconsin-Madison is the arm of academia that's in charge of the Ice Cube neutrino detector. I just came across an arm. article where the University of Wisconsin-Madison is doing research where they can communicate with you, have a dialogue with you in your head while you are having lucid dreams and sleeping.

Right. That is directed energy weapons application in real life to be able to put somebody else's voice into your head to be in there. and communicating back and forth. So you're telling me that right here they're doing it. Oh, we're working on the science of it over here. But this multi-billion dollar device, which we also run, that according to patents and technology,

could be doing that thing that we're studying over here. But we're definitely not doing what we're doing over here over here. Because that would be wrong. I see. To be experimenting on people on. benounce to them with a new level of technology that they never even heard of that's not even on anyone's radar anywhere. So it also means it's wholly unregulated. Because if nobody knows this stuff exists yet, there's not regulated.

Right. So from their perspective, or they're doing anything wrong? I see. Legally. It's not against any law. No. They're not even breaking any laws yet. Hmm.

So is the ELF different than the Ice Cube? Absolutely. Completely two different. systems. I see. Okay. So just for the ELF, if it's targeted at someone, that would be like a directed energy weapon that could cause.

Absolutely. If I can take a technology, right, and I can connect to your thoughts and have input in that dialogue, I mean, really think about how powerful of a tool this is. And you can do that with the ELF? Yeah. Oh, really? There's an article that came out. I forget, I think I might have mentioned it on the Sean Ryan show.

Yes, the McDonald's Corporation, again, this is all the same tech. McDonald's Corporation was talking about how they're going to start research and development to be able to put their commercials in your brain while you're sleeping. Yeah, I've seen, I saw a patent for something like that. Right. I mean, think about what the hell is going on with these statements like this, right? Is that, I think I did see an image about this. That's technology.

That's, I mean, this is straight up a directed energy weapons attack. Yeah, I'm going to Google that really quick. Go ahead. I remember seeing the picture for it where it's like a guy in front of the TV or something. It's like... I don't even remember that, but yeah. But now think about this, right? So imagine if you had that power at your disposal.

Would you be able to get more people to show up to your shows? Oh, hell yeah. You know what I'm saying? I show you packed. Right? So you think these other people aren't using these things for their own benefit? I mean, if the McDonald's corporation could, make everybody wake up and be like, man, I can go for an egg McMuffin.

You think they're not going to do it? Yeah, this is an article from popular mechanic. The headline is basically advertisers are hijacking your dreams. The next frontier isn't virtual reality or holograms. It's your dreams. In an open letter published to the website, DXE, scientists, decry the concept of dream advertising. Whereas in, wherein company engineers, engineer adds into your subconscious through audio and video clips,

Not only does the practice already exist, they say in the letter, but a beer company has even publicly tested it earlier this year. The article goes on and be interested in reading the rest of this article. But I do remember hearing about this kind of thing. So now following this logic, right? If the McDonald's Corporation and a beer corporation is getting access to this technology today, I'm going to just suggest that the technology has existed for at least two decades in the application in the people around us, but just not by the companies we would think of. And it was probably military industrial contractors.

Because if McDonald's is getting access to that now, if McDonald's has the ability to put a big Mac commercial in your head, you think there's other people with greater ideas that they want in your head that haven't already been doing this? So again, this is where we're at in this world. What do we do with the idea that there's a high probability that these invasive technologies have already been in play for at least two decades, that your dreams have not been free and clear.

And this is by using ELF frequencies. By using directed energy weapons by many definitions. Okay. I don't want to keep trying to reduce things down to singular answers when it's more complex than that, that's all. Because then what people will do is try to take that one thing and attack that one thing when they don't even

like I don't want to pretend that I know everything about these things but I don't want anybody else to start trying to whittle out what's possible just off of speculating. Yeah, that's fine. You know?

Yeah, yeah. So the Ice Cube neutrino detector was that a different thing and what did that do? Did you see that? It's completely different item than the ELF, absolutely. Okay.

Did you want to go on that? and explain kind of what that is now? Again, it's just a directed energy weapons platform. It is the world's largest phased array transmitter. And the transmitter part is the part that I disclosed to the world because I provide a documentation that shows that. But now they're actually talking about making this system 10 times larger than what it currently is.

So again, this points to peculiarity because, I mean, it's like everything else. What's the return on investment? If it costs us $300 billion to get it to where it is right now, what's the return on that investment? Is investing 10 times? What are we getting out of this? And I do not believe that what we're being shown as its primary and exclusive task qualifies the investment. I think it's the secondary and tertiary uses that they don't want to decide.

discuss, which is where they get their return on investment when you say, oh, well, we're using it to find a neutrino. Well, what's the value of finding a neutrino? What is a neutrino? A neutrino is a near or massless particle that moves just below at or beyond the speed of light. In the passive use of the detector, the idea is that a neutrino, comes and impacts with the nucleus of an ice molecule at the South Pole. There's a reaction which has Sharon Koff radiation, which is a blue light flash occurs, and then both the neutrino and the nucleus disappear, and a muon is created, which is a different particle.

Effectively, the neutrino detector is looking for the blue flash of light. That's what it's doing in its passive application. the way that it receives the light is what they call a dom, which is roughly that diameter, maybe bigger, about the size of a basketball. And inside that dom, this 5,160 of these doms embedded in the ice

in length and width and depth fashion. Each one of those doms can transmit now, and that's the secret here, that, you know, in one breath, they're calling it a receiver, basically. But the reality is that it can transmit. So now when you have up to 2,047 volts per DOM for transmittability, now you apply that over the field of these doms, which is 5,160 of them, and that's basically what you call a phased array transmitter.

Interesting. And they're looking for these blue lights because they're trying to detect these mions. Is that what they're called? Neutrinos. They're trying to detect the neutrinos clashing with the nucleus to create. To create the muon. And what is the cover for that? Like, what does that do?

Do you know? That's what I was saying is unjustifiable. So what? We found a neutrino. Now what? Is there any purpose or use for neutrino as far as you're informed? Not according to what they're telling us. So that's where I say.

It makes no sense to be spending all of this money. Oh, we're trying to find neutrinos. Cool. How much for how many? Is it really worth that or what's really going on? I'm sure you've Googled this, like what neutrinos do? They smack into nucleases and turn into muons and make a blue flash of light. And there's no functional purpose for identifying muons.

They claim that it's going to help us find the keys to the cosmos and understand things more. But what has it really done? It's been 12 years since they turned the thing on. What have we learned? Was it worth the investment? I see. And that's what I'm saying, no. We haven't learned much, and it wasn't worth the investment.

And so each of these things can detect a blue flash and a light. Neutrinos. But according to you, they can also, and according to the document, they can also transmit. Correct. The power output is up to 2047 volts per dom.

And how much is 2047 volts? I don't really know anything. One more than 2046. Is it like a car battery or is it like? Well, it's more than a car battery. A car battery is 12 volts. I think it has more to do with the fact of the shape of it. And when you get into the idea of phased array.

So it has to do more with it being like this very tunable discharge of energy. So again, this is where the science. is way ahead of what average people know. I think, I put it like, it's almost like when Nikola Tesla showed up and was like, bam, I give you electricity. Well, for starters at the time, that conversation was public. And as much as people were using electricity

that was offered to them at that point, did they really understand what they were using? was the vernacular common amongst everybody right off the bat? No. And I think that's where we are right now with these new technologies, these new energy weapons, is that first and foremost, we're not even getting a real public disclosure on what's going on.

Right. Which makes us even further away from the average person, even understanding what's being discussed. It's as peculiar to the contemporary mind to consider directed energy weapons systems as it was to the average citizen way back when when Tesla showed up and was like electricity. I see. It takes years before a society can even comprehend these things.

They have to have a certain amount of saturation to the idea. And we're at a point in time where we don't have enough of a saturation rate for people to wholly understand what's going on. Interesting. They just have to realize it's real and start having these considerations. So just to get everyone on board that's listening, that might not understand what these ice cube neutrino detectors are, you basically have these giant basketballs

that can detect blue light, and basically through this detection, they're able to come to some sort of conclusion. They can triangulate the direction from which the neutrino came. They have thousands of them that are going lengthwise, widthwise, and vertically creating a giant cube, basically. So when the blue light occurs inside the antenna array, the doms, because of proximity to the blue flash,

how do I put it? They would say light up in a bloom. So you get in the array, each of the doms affected by the light will indicate that they were impacted by the light. So a pattern shows up in that exchange. And then they can map it. Then they can triangulate from what direction

that neutrino came. And then the idea that they present is that we're so interested in where neutrinos come from because that'll teach us about high energy things going on in the cosmos. I see. And that's what they presented as. And they should just be detectors that are then receiving this information and then delivering it to some centralized database that then they can triangulate and map where the neutrinos are coming from. Yep.

But it seems like they're also able to put out energy. at a pretty high rate per detector little basketball thing. And if I'm understanding correctly, when that thing is powered on, it could basically send all that energy in this giant deep cube-looking... It's like being able to fire the doms in a transmitting capacity. And the way that the phase array transmitter has benefit is that there's a way to like, I guess you would say almost like shape, direct, and send the energy. Okay.

That's kind of the point of the phaser I transmitter is having that pointability of it. And then you're able to point it at a different, at a target and then basically create an earthquake in that space. Is that true? That's one of the things it can do. Okay. And you had said before that the earthquake in New Zealand was the result of this thing powering on. Correct. And why are you able to draw that conclusion?

Because I was informed of it by knowledgeable crew hands that said that's exactly what we did. Oh, really? And was it intentional? No, it was not. Okay. And so they basically powered this thing on. It created an electrical. They were trying to take a shot at something.

Oh, really? Absolutely. But they misfired. So it would just be like if you built a gun. And you said, I just designed this gun. and now I want to see how accurate it is where you're going to get a target and you're going to aim for the bullseye

and you're going to pull the trigger and you're going to see how far off the mark you are. And then that's what we have sights for. Then you adjust the sights until you're on target. But regardless, you've still got to pull the trigger a couple of times and see where you hit the paper at. So the only thing they were doing was pulling the trigger on their gun

and finding out that they were off target. And they had to dial it in. Hmm. And people that you trust on the station told you this. Correct. And these are scientists, technicians, something of the sort. These are people from my crew that were there. These, put it this way. These are the people that know, because these are the people that are there. And what we're experiencing a lot of contemporarily, I should say, a lot of folks contemporarily seem to have a lack of respect for people with direct firsthand experience. Hmm. Interesting. I mean, who else are you going to believe about what's going on in South Pole? Someone from South Pole or someone not from South Pole. Right. If you want to find out what's going on the moon,

do you want to talk to someone who's been to the moon or someone who's researched what's going on on the moon? Mm-hmm. So I'm coming from an angle of I was there. I worked with the people who were there. The firsthand people who saw it. And then they told you. Correct. Mm-hmm.

Interesting. So this is, you know, this is what people, you know, everybody always says, you know, if this was going on, somebody would have said something. Well, there are people saying stuff. So you are obviously one of the people that's saying stuff. Correct. Who else? So are there other people that are kind of out?

I'm working on getting more people to speak their mind. Really? And are they a little resistant? I found a couple of folks that are less resistant than other people previously were. So I'm looking forward to hopefully getting more. more folks into the conversation. Interesting. Okay.

And so that's sort of how the ice cube neutrino detector works, more or less. That's like how the cover works for what they claim it does, and then what you believe it's also doing as a directed energy weapon. Yep. And who controls that? Currently Lockheed Martin now. When I was there, it was Raytheon Polar Services, and now Lockheed has the contract.

I'm sure the next party that is in charge of the National Science Foundation contract for Antarctica, the United States Antarctic program, will somehow be a weapons builder again. But it's pretty much United States corporations that are in control of it. Is it fair to say that they're doing the United States bidding? I think it's actually bigger than that. I think that we, the average citizen of this planet, that we look at national borders in a different way than the people that own the factions that are under false pretenses operating as nation states, when those folks don't really care about these, you know, imaginary lines on maps and your country, my country. my country. Interesting.

Yeah. So they just see ally ship and sort of unification amongst forces more than borders. They're not looking

at Britain versus England and the culture that are team. I think the nation states are similar to like football teams and stuff. Like it's gung hoorah.

This is my team versus your team. But in reality there's a bigger con job going on. Right. Yeah, I get that. Yeah.

Yeah, I could see that in a large regard. I mean, obviously, all the borders that we have are just... Yeah, I mean, like I said earlier, we got, you know, we have politicians from the United States that are in the Trilateral Commission and the Council on Foreign Relations. There's politicians from other countries in those same groups. And this is why we have to be concerned, because when politicians from China and politicians from the U.S.

are in the trilateral commission and the CFR, and we see that those factions are having their quarterly and annual literature put out that state, like what we think would be best for the world is doing this. And then all of a sudden the nation states start doing what those groups say. I mean, what other indicators do we need to see that the nation states are puppets for other factions? Yeah, I can see that. Yeah, I don't really take issue with that. Yeah, it's just, there's a big con job going on.

Yeah. Yeah, I think the way that we see borders is probably different than how, you know, powerful people and corporations see borders. Totally. I think that makes a lot of sense. So in terms of the geopolitics of Antarctica, the people that control it, there's like a board, I guess. There's corporations, they get contracts. Who do they get the contracts from? Do you know?

From the National Science Foundation. Basically, Congress cut to check to the National Science Foundation to cover the United States Antarctic Program. And then the National Science Foundation distributes those funds accordingly through third-party contractors to get the job done. Got it. And then who is at the top of the National Science Foundation?

Different, kind of like appointed people from different governments? No, that's wholly a U.S. institution. Okay. Yeah, the National Science Foundation operates under the auspices of an American arm of the government. So could you say that America kind of like sort of runs what's going on? in Antarctica. I would definitely say that they

at face value that's how it presents for sure but I suspect that it's a lot more complex than that. Interesting. And so we kind of talked about the ELF, those weapons getting, you know, those things being used as weapons, directed energy

against people. The ice cube neutrino detectors is there a third thing? I think you had mentioned one other thing that was being used basically as a directed energy weapon. There was, this was actually really interesting. So when I went to Washington, D.C. and gave my testimony there, I did bring up.

It was amazing to me because this is, again, like, it's, I feel like sometimes, like, I make bold statements where it's like, it is what it is. Like, this is what I saw. And there's nothing that I can do to prove it to you, but this is what I saw. So one of the things I witnessed at the South. Paul on occasion. It wasn't something I saw all the time, but we had a particular building that I witnessed this green laser beam shooting out of the building going off into the upper atmosphere. And through my research, I suspected that there was like everything else there, secondary and tertiary stuff beyond what was presented. And I testified to this and I came across research that said, you know, there's a sense.

such thing as, you know, laser communications, chemical lasers, there's all the stuff. And now there's science supporting the speculations that I made way back when. And the really funny thing was when I gave my testimony in D.C. was in early June of what year? This past 2003. So I gave this testimony. I brought up this green laser. and it was just a week or so later that I had my birthday. And on my, somebody sent me a link,

on my birthday, the National Science Foundation, so they could put anything they want on their website. On my birthday, they put up a picture of the atmospheric research observatory, firing its green laser into the atmosphere. And I was like, happy birthday to me. I still got,

I still got friends in the program that were like, Hecker just went on air and brought up the laser. Let's hook him up. And let's just post, let's just put the picture out there so that one more feather in his cap that he's not nuts. Did you ask him about it?

Ask who? I guess, did you know who was running the... I have no idea who posted. posted that picture, but I couldn't, you couldn't convince me that that was not some friend in the program that was just like, here you go. Here's a freebie for you. The other day, you went to D.C. and brought up the green laser. Happy birthday. Here's a picture of it.

Hilarious. For anyone that doesn't believe what you just said. And they knew it was your birthday and posted it. I think so. And what is it green laser for? What do they say it's for? A lot of folks will say that it is for, Atmospheric research.

Okay. Which is on the list of things that it can do. Sure. But then we have to look deeper as to what else is possible. And what else do you think it can do? Long-range communications over great distances. Hmm. I believe we have an off-world fleet of vehicles that are actively involved with intergalactic trade.

Hmm. And the powers that be that are operating at that level have basically, just monopolized technology for their profiteering. It's just that simple. So this intergalactic fleet, are they human, are they non-human? It's us. You think it's humans? It's us from this planet.

Living in like a space station? Mining somewhere out in the solar system. Huh. And when do you think they went there? 60 years ago. Oh, really? You think it was like as a part of like our space program? Absolutely.

our space program as presented is to keep us from knowing what they're actually doing to make it look like this is the limit of what we can do. This is the front cutting edge when it's a farce. What they're doing is a millionfold more complex. And so they're far off. Absolutely. Yep. And what makes you believe that? A lot of research.

Mm-hmm. Like if I wanted to look that up or like if there's like supporting evidence for something like that. Look into folks like Joseph P. Farrell, Walter Bosley. There's a lot of researchers that are doing great work on proving. Michael Schrat, there's paperwork trails for all kinds of technologies and things that people just aren't privy to. Antigravity exists. Well, what do we do if we have anti-gravity? Well, then we go into space.

Well, if I have anti-gravity, why am I going to let you? know I have anti-gravity when I can go get all the stuff out there and leave you in the dark. Interesting. So as America kind of keeping this covert to not let other... There's factions around the whole planet. It's not even just America. You think other factions also have off... Absolutely, because the geographical borders mean nothing.

It's not an American thing. That's what I mean. It's an elitist thing. There's an aspect of humanity that is beyond national borders, and they are part of a breakaway civilization doing things that we, the average mortgage payer, have never even brought our ideas up to considering. And they keep it covert from other factions? I don't think so.

I think there's so many factions doing this stuff that there's more or less, like, just like every, like Coke wants to know what Pepsi's doing, Pepsi wants to out there. I think that's more of what's going on is that even at that breakaway level, there's still, factions vying to be king of the mountain? So is it that they don't want us to know or they don't want the other factions to know? They don't want the general population to know what the factions are doing. And why? Because then they would lose the monopoly?

If the general population knew that there was off planet, galactic mining, or whatever it is. If the general population knew this technology existed, they would want it to exist for their benefit. Interesting. Not their detriment. And you think it's being done at their detriment? Absolutely. Hmm. Why? Like if there is like an off-planet fleet, why is it at our detriment?

The preventing of us accessing technologies that exist is to our detriment because we're not reaping the benefit of reality. So you fly a lot. Why should it take you 16 hours to get from here to Paris when technology, you're not? can get you there in an hour. Is that now to your detriment? Mm-hmm. Yeah. I understand.

Because the technology that could get you there in an hour is being withheld from you. So your whole world is now negatively impacted because somebody else has monopolized a technology and prevented you from accessing it. The FAA limits how fast commercial air traffic can fly. Not based off of what's technologically available.

Right. court, obviously, as we know, can go much faster. Why are you not allowed to travel at the rate that technology tolerates? Who gets to make you live in such a level of detriment? Wouldn't it be advantageous for you to get to places in half the time? Right. For a fraction of the cost? Yeah, I mean, that makes sense to me.

So this is just monopoly of technology for the profiteering of those that wield it. Interesting. And there's not like a safety component. I'm assuming if you ask the FAA, they'd probably be like, look, this is the speed. You got to go because our cars can go. Ask them, I would say they don't have an acceptable answer. Because our cars can go, you know, much faster than the speed limit. Of course.

But then the speed limit's imposed. Understood. But I'm assuming that that's for our safety, yada, yada. That would be relative to road conditions. But we learned in Germany that you can build an auto bond that you can travel faster on. So technology allows for greater speed of travel. Again, why are we limited? And so if we found out that they were able to have like advanced space travel and build societies off Earth, that would be at our detriment because we're not actively using that as a general population.

We can't access that as mortgage payers. Correct. And then we're also, we're paying more because we're told resources are limited. We're told this is all we have on the planet. We need to be careful. Well, that goes right out the window if there's a population. planet here and a planet here, and we can get it from here, we can get it from there. I see.

It just, it changes the whole conversation. Knowledge is power, and a lot of people are being prevented from having the knowledge. So, like, hypothetically, if you found a planet with diamonds, as we know, diamonds are extremely abundant in the universe and the solar system, if you find a planet with a ton of diamonds, the diamond companies on Earth would be like, hey, we want to withhold that. Right, correct. But it's to our detriment because people want to have diamonds and they're accessible in space, etc. Would that be an example that you would...

Yeah, that works. That makes sense. Yeah. Okay. Hmm. That's interesting. And is there... It's controlling the whole...

I'm going to say world view, but it goes beyond world now. But it's limiting people's ability to think in real terms because we're not getting reality presented. Right. It's like a prison of the mind. Hmm. Do you think all people should have access to all the secret operations, the military, and the technology. Really?

I do because I would say, look what the contrary has gotten us. Yeah, I'm curious about that. If we had access to all the information, all the technology that the U.S. government had its disposal, I feel like that'd be like, I could see that being a national security risk. I could see that causing problems.

That's the angle for which they shut it down and monopolize the technology because now it's them deciding what we get to know. And I would say That's to our detriment, not theirs They then get to monopolize the technology And decide who gets what and when Interesting

Yeah And I guess I wonder if corporations Like why are they not pushing Like these very successful billionaires Like I wonder if they could use the technology To make more profit They are They are

Yeah, those are the ones doing it Gotcha So like Are there billioners on earth that are like business moguls, you know, like heads of companies and corporations that are aware of these off? Oh, absolutely. I think so. Yes. Yes.

And they're the ones doing it more so than the nation states. Hmm. And it's actually that the, that's what's really going on is you have companies like Raytheon and Lockheed Martin that are actually the break away civilized. Because they're the, again, they're the, the governments are at least loosely regulated by we the people. Right. The corporations absolutely are not, especially because if they create a technology and don't share it with us. Again, it's an unknown, unregulated item that they own. I mean, some people would say, well, they have every right to do that.

do they if they got their information off of monies from taxpayers that we were obligated to put into research and development? Should we not get a return on that investment? Is that fair? I see. I mean, this happens a lot with like with like different skunk works projects in, you know, U.S. military, right? Exactly. You know, they are trying to come up with freeze dried foods for, you know, World War II. Right.

And so they pay this guy. They're like, hey, figure it out. He comes up with a, you know, a lemonade that you can pour water in. Yep. And then after the war, he turns it in the Minutemate. Right. And so that's kind of the story of like how different products have been, you know, sort of brought into the fold.

Into the fold. Right. But there was a time where this guy had access to, you know, this freeze-dried food that he was turning into lemonade and it was being used in the war and no one knew about it. Right. And then it eventually got commercialized and then used and distributed to the public and people could purchase it, etc. Mm-hmm. Do you feel like in that,

middle part, it was unethical. Yes, because I believe that a lot of these exchanges, like you just mentioned, I think there is like a good old boys club that American people invest money. Next thing you know, the skunk works actually comes up with the lemonade thing, right? But now if I'm a politician and you're my buddy, I'm like, Mark, here's what's going to happen. We got this lemon powder stuff. what we're going to do is we're going to say you invented it

and you're going to get a company that's going to become worth billions of dollars. Am I the politician? No, no, no, you're just my friend. I'm the politician. You're just my pal. It's not I hand you this technology that was paid for by the people.

I claim that you invented it. But in reality, you're just now a front company for another alphabet agency. So who invented it in this? let's say DARPA. Okay. In this scenario, some arm of the government figures it out in research and development.

But then they tap somebody to become the profiteer of monopolizing the technology when it's released into the public. Right. Yeah. That's happening. That's what's going on with everything that we see. Mm-hmm. You really think Steve Jobs invented all of that stuff and it wasn't military product first. Hmm. I never thought about that. I don't know.

He didn't invent shit. Really? Yeah, I know. I guess he didn't really invent. Everything that we have in the commercial world was already going on for decades in the military industrial complex. And then what I just hypothesized is what occurred. Somebody gets tap. Oh, Mark, you're going to have this company called Apple. Oh, by the way, when we need you to do this, you're going to do this. When the CIA Need you to do that

You're gonna do that When these guys need you to do that You can do this Because you know why Because we handed you the company In billions of dollars What are you gonna do? Not listen to us

So do you think Steve Jobs Like designed any of the products? No He was just a front guy Pretty much Yeah I don't believe any of these I don't believe Elon Musk

Is accomplishing anything What is Elon Musk Accomplishing? Rockets in space I mean that's I mean that's like 1960s BS. Electric cars, we had those in the early 1900s.

We figured out back then how ridiculous it was. But like the reusable rocket, fuselage, and things like that. You said rocket again. Yeah. 1960s technology. Who cares? It's a joke. Oh, but did they have the reusable?

Who cares? You're still talking about rocket technology when I'm trying to talk about anti-gravity, which makes rockets ridiculous. So here we have another front company trying to pretend It's at the leading edge Look, we're not talking about rockets We're talking about reusable rockets Oh, cool

Hmm What's the point of a reusable rocket When you're staring down the barrel of having Antigravity as the true option? And then what would anti-gravity get us? Like we're able to... A lot further and farther than reusable rockets Hmm.

And that technology, you're confident, exists. Absolutely. There's so many people that have been in the anti-gravitics conversation for eons now. Hmm. There's, there's, you can go back and research things like the Sonoro Arrow Club from way back when. Nimza, these are things that Joseph P. Farrell, Walter Bosley, discuss. that there's reports in the 1800s in the west coast of the United States of farmers discussing that air vehicles showed up and landed on their farms.

Who were these people? What was this technology? So do you believe that it could be aliens or do you believe that it's advanced technology from humans? I believe both are going on. Again, this is why we need to stop trying to. to reduce things down to singular when reality shows us that it's more complex and all of these things. I mean, just because we have anti-gravity on Earth at the time that we found it doesn't change that anti-graph could have been going on for a million years somewhere else, invented, I shouldn't say invented, but discovered by some other groups somewhere else.

I certainly don't think that space is devoid of life. Hmm. Interesting. Interesting. So then I guess I'm just curious also, like other kind of like typical conspiracy things around this. I know you said that you got approached by flat earth people that were kind of like trying to get you to come on their side. Yeah, yeah. So just like hot take on different conspiracies, flat earth.

Flat earth is a total sciop. The only people that believe in flat earth are feds and fools. That's the only way I look at it. You cannot convince me of otherwise. I have never heard anything come out of a flat earther's mouth that didn't sound fucking ridiculous. Yeah, I agree with you on that. I mean, it's just that cut and dry. They're like, oh, did you ever hear of, I'm sorry, what shit did you just spew in my direction that you believed?

I mean, it's completely ridiculous. Yeah. Hollow earth. I'm not opposed to that concept. Can you explain what that is a little for people I don't know? Just the idea that the interior of the planet is not what we've been presented scientifically. that they use the term honeycomb, that it's more porous, cavernous,

and I think there's at least a reasonable conversation to have in that direction, unlike flat earth. Flat Earth is ridiculous. Something going on in the interior of our globe stands to reason at least. Moon landing. Oh, for that, I would say,

I do believe that there was a hoax on the front end because of the race to outdo Russia. I think they first manufactured fake stuff in a narrative and then we eventually did get there anyway. Okay. So we did get to the moon. We did get to the moon, but I think after when we said we did, I think they made a production to win the race to take the trophy. Like, we got there first, but I don't think we got there then.

I think we got there after it. That's interesting. I'm always curious if Russia could have seen, like, could they detect on the moon? Like, yeah, y'all aren't there. And would they have said something? I think they could have, and they didn't because it's just one of those arguments you can't really win, especially at that time. Like, if we said we got to the moon and then all of a sudden Russia came and was like, they're lying. It was just like in a way.

And again, not that I'm agreeing with it, but these are like the debates that people would have like, well, we can't say that because then we'll just look like sour grapes, you know, like, you know, and then the U.S. will just come back with, look how terrible Russia is. They're so mad that they lost the race that they have the audacity to try to say that we didn't make it there. And it's just this endless cycle of bickering, which most topics are nowadays anyway. Interesting. Is it's just to keep an ongoing argument that no one can ever win? Interesting. Hmm. Yeah, the Hollow Earth thing is kind of curious.

I know I was Admiral Bird that did Operation High Jump. Correct. Which is famous declassified military operation basically to survey the South Pole. I think he also went to the Arctic as well. But he had like apparently in his journal, and I tried to fact check it before we talked. I couldn't really find... I only look for a little bit. There is a lot of people quoting Admiral Bird's diary as of late.

Yeah, I've seen this. What do you think of that? I think I hear a lot of people quoting a diary that I've never seen anybody present to the public yet. Right. So what the hell is going on with that? I mean, I have no problem considering what could be going on. But at some point, my goal is to get to the brass tax... of the problem.

And I have a grand issue with people when they keep quoting something that they can't present. Interesting. Yeah. I've seen some things. They keep talking about it like it like they've seen it. Yeah. Where is, in what format are they seeing this thing? I keep hearing, oh, well, his nephew or someone released it.

Yeah. And some of the quotes are pretty wild. Yeah. And where's, where's this actual diary that keeps getting referenced? Yeah, I haven't looked into it. I don't know the details. I think a lot of things are a sci-op, and I think this might be one of them. But he says some pretty wild things allegedly in these...

He didn't actually really say anything really wild, actually. It's just a lot of people don't understand Antarctica and are taking great liberties to take things that they don't understand. And then I guess like run with the ball. Mm-hmm. So as an example, there are folks that take, and I'm paraphrasing, but there's times where Byrd talked about areas in Antarctica that had no ice. Right. Well, those are called the dry valleys.

They're known. There are areas in Antarctica with no ice. But it's actually interesting. If you Google it, you can see like these big, like sort of like dry brown bluffs. Right, which makes no sense. We don't have an explanation for why these areas are devoid of ice, but yet they are. Yeah, what do you think of that?

It's nuts. Yeah. There's no explanation. It makes no sense. Having been to Antarctica, I find it really freaky that we have the dry valleys. But having been there and having an understanding of reality, when other people take birds, diaries and run with it. Be like, oh, there's no ice.

So that means this. And that means, whoa, whoa, whoa. It just means he drove, he flew over the dry valleys. Mm-hmm. And recorded from his perspective in the language he preferred at the time. But it's nothing crazy. It's nothing out of the ordinary. Yes, there are areas in Antarctica devoid of ice.

Does that mean that's the opening to hollow earth? Well, that's a leap of logic. Right. Right. But this is the stuff that people. are utilizing in these conversations and be like, oh, well, I guess you don't know about Byrd's Diaries. No, I do.

I guess you don't know about ever being in Antarctica. Right. You know? I mean, it is interesting seeing those brown bluffs, though. Absolutely. It's very curious. It's like. It makes no sense.

I'm assuming it's like, at least to me I'm like, it must be a desert. And I guess deserts are dry. And so maybe this. The whole continent's a desert. Right, right. Officially it's the highest, driest place on the planet on average. It is the world's largest desert. It is zero percent humidity.

Yeah. So, yeah, I wonder if maybe like that area gets like wind exposure and ice doesn't settle. This wind everywhere. Yeah, I guess maybe there's something about that valley. Maybe I don't know. There's something, but you're right, we don't know. There's something weird going on there, but we don't know. Yeah.

Yeah, I'm curious what that is. It's very interesting. And, yeah, I guess he said some other things about like caves. Like I've heard some different conspiracies about portals and things like that in Antarctica. I would love to see where people can prove that this is what he said. Yeah. I feel there's a lot of people taking great liberties to the fact that Byrd went down there, what they want to be the narrative,

and then making some connection that never really existed. I came across something recently where somebody was trying to say that they were trying to go off of the flight logs. and they were stating that they were talking about how Admiral Byrd reported that he saw flora and fauna in Antarctica. And they're like, oh, that's amazing. But I listened to it, and he was stating that he was flying at like 1,900 feet of elevation. Well, I had said before, it's the highest. So at the South Pole station, there's 10,300 feet of ice. Wow.

between the ground and where we were residing. So we're at 10,300 feet of elevation of ice. That's crazy. So if birds at 1,900 feet of elevation, that means he's on the coast, where there's flora and fauna. That we know about. That we already know about.

So people are just taking great liberties to confuse people. If his actual flight lock says he's at 1,900 feet of elevation, we know he's on the coast. Well, guess what you find on the coast? of Antarctica. Grass. Right. And some of the...

Penguins. Yeah. I mean, the Palmer Peninsula stretches out pretty close to Argentina. There's portions of Antarctica that are north of 70 degrees, north of 60 degrees, still part of Antarctica officially. That you can fly over and see flora and fauna. So the fact that Admiral Burd says, I was flying over Antarctica and I saw flora and fauna. Is that really a big deal?

Right. Yeah, I guess if you don't know anything about Antarctica. And that's what's going on, is that there is a ton of people that don't know jack squat about Antarctica, and there's other people that are controlling the narrative to make mountains out of mole hills. And I would say that that's applied intention

to get people to focus on the BS that means nothing when there's folks like me that are coming out to say, this is what's really going on. Interesting. So you think it's a die? Diversion against actual military weapons, actual... It is a diversion against actionable intelligence. So portals to different dimension nonsense.

It's every single time someone with direct firsthand experience on the topic steps up and says anything that goes against the narrative, you get attacked by all of these people that have no direct firsthand experience trying to tell you how you're wrong. Which I find laughable because I know better because I was there. I understand that maybe other people weren't there. But at some point, how do I put it? It's like if you're sitting in your house, okay?

And I show up, I walk in the door and I'm soaking wet. And I go, man, it's pouring rain out. But then you have another friend who's sitting in the house with you, who's never even left the house. And he goes, nah, it's sunny out. you'd be like, no, this guy has experience. He's just been in the water. You would think so, right?

But now we don't have that so much anymore. People don't really respect the person with direct firsthand experience, especially if the other person goes, well, I got a link that says it was sunny out. I have these 16 links that say that it's sunny out. It's like, well, I'm telling you, I just came in from outside and it's raining out, right?

And a lot of people nowadays are like, well, it's not my... I don't have to know... I ask this guy, this guy, who am I to decide? You know, this is my friend and I don't want to get between them. And that's, it's cowardly. Yeah.

A lot of people, like, you know, podcast and stuff, right? A lot of people would be like, well, I just put the information out there and I leave it up to the audience to decide. That's cowardly. Because it would be the same way as like if you had a podcast and you were like, well, my one friend says that it's raining out. My other friend says that it's sunny out. And how am I supposed to know? It's called stick your head out the window and figure it out. If you're going to just sit there and say, I don't know.

Right. But I'm never going to go to Antarctica. Understood. But then at that point, at least you should yield to the one that you know has been there. And what I'm finding is that there's a massive machine of intention that is doing due diligence to make sure that people don't pay attention to someone like myself who has direct firsthand experience and instead is confusing the conversation by bringing in all of these people that have no experience on the topic. And the term gatekeeper gets thrown around in the disclosure circles. And I can say it's rampant. Like I had told you, I had been to a convention in Las Vegas the first time I spoke publicly and gave my presentation.

The producers of the show then came to me afterwards. Oh, good job. This and that. But here's what we need you to do. We need you to figure out a way to take your information and your experience and have it so. support flat earth. There's two, the producers,

I mean, this is how it goes. I told them to go fuck themselves. I said, I'm not here to play games. I don't know what you guys are up to. But this is, again,

this is what I'm learning by getting involved with disclosure. My direct firsthand experiences are that most of these guys are full of shit. They don't care what information's going out there as long as they can control the numbers. And just sell more tickets.

Oh, flat earth cells. There's a demographic that we can market this to. Absolutely. Right. All day long. There's very few and far between folks that I come across in the disclosure circles that I would say are honestly looking to help people by getting the truth out there. Interesting.

And how does like aliens or things like that interact with sort of your worldview and kind of how you see everything connecting? In my worldview? I think we need to be very seriously concerned that analogy before I said that, you know, we're like a product on the farm and that we need to be concerned because I question whether the farmer is from Earth or not. What if we're like intergalactic chicken

for a different species? And I think the more research that I do, it's starting to look like that this planet has been under the thumb of some other stuff, folks, and that we're just that confused to our reality, that we need to be really concerned that the profiteers of technology, the monopolizers may be working, like, they might be like, how do you put it, like,

in prisons, there's like inmates that get tapped, to like work with the wardens to keep everybody in line. And I suspect that we have humans on this planet that are like those inmates that are keeping the rest of the inmates in line. But we're going to freak out when we find out who the wardens are. Interesting. Do you think, I know people kind of float the idea of these aliens being like demonic or something like that.

Do you think there's any room for that? I think it's two different things. I think... Is that also potentially a force that's happening? I think I'm not opposed to the idea of there being demonic things. I haven't looked into them. But I feel like it's a muddying of the waters when we have folks that believe in demons

trying to say that all aliens are demons. I just think it's weird to just try... Again, it's like you're trying to reduce stuff to simplify it and it's like, well, I don't, I'm not against the fact that there could be demons. I'm not against the fact that there could be aliens, but I don't understand why we're trying to make the two the same. Hmm.

That makes sense. Yeah, I get your position. If it, you know, why can't all these things be happening concurrently? Yeah. That's the way my brain goes is that, you know, that the, again, the world is more complex. Mm-hmm. That makes sense. Yeah.

Do you feel like that, how do I say this? Have you felt that because of your work as a whistleblower, your life has ever been threatened. I know my life has been threatened. I just don't care. I mean, it's that simple. In what way? How do you know it's been threatened?

Well, I've literally had people threaten violence against me. I was presented in Washington, D.C. with violence. I mean, I had two guys get right in my face in D.C. and threatened me. and they spit in my face yeah I mean it was it was aggressive I guess you would say but like I said I grew up in a community where I mean violence was a norm so two dudes getting in my face saying they were gonna kick my ass

I basically got right in their face and was like you better hurry up or turn around like a bitch I mean it is what it is like you stepped up to me and what was their issue do you know that I was with the Greer disclosure crew so they were just like anti-gris Rear people? It seemed that way.

It looked like they were instigators. I believe that they were probably looking to start a fight to get it on camera. Interesting. That there's probably someone in proximity looking to film one of us flipping out and doing something wrong. Discrediting everything. Correct. Interesting. Have you had anyone from government agencies or anything like that reach out either in support or in condemnation of your work?

I would say in support, there were. folks that were affiliated with the government that have reached out privately to support what I'm doing. And then I would say that there were people who have reached out to be against what I'm doing that have also done it privately but did not fess up to being with any particular organization. But you were able to intuit that they were. Oh, absolutely. In person or was this like digital? Definitely digital. I'm trying to think if there was, I mean, I've had, I've had peculiar exchanges with people that I knew, you know, represented a faction, but it wasn't an overt threat at that time.

So distinctly different things. The term I would use is getting tapped. Like there are times where I'm aware that I'm being like probed, so to say, by someone. but it's not a threat at that point. Interesting. They're just trying to like get info. Yeah, there's certain times where I can, you know, I could be in an airport or it's just something where all of a sudden like someone shows up

next to me and the line of question just gets really pointed, really fast. Oh, really? And it's just like, guy. Oh, really? And then they just literally like smile or something and it's like. And you think there's something going on. Oh, absolutely. I know it.

There's been times, I call it like when someone gets my first. folder. So like we know in the government, like there's a need to know basis, right? Certain people get read into a certain level of stuff. This is something that I've experienced many times now. So it's like all of a sudden, you know, somebody pops up next to me. They engage me in a conversation. They go like right for the jugular, so to say, on certain topics.

It's like, oh, you just sat down next to me and this is the topics that you get right into. Really? And they know your work from something. They know everything. knows something because of the angle of question. I know at that point that they know something. Interesting. So what winds up happening is it gets very rapidly to a point where I can just start

finishing their sentences because they got a little folder on me. What they don't know is how many more guys before them have gotten the same folder. Interesting. They're a low man on the totem pole. and then they usually freak out when I start finishing their sentences for them because I'm like oh and then I literally just go

and then I go right for the jungle I go so when you're going to ask me this next oh and then you also got to this page in the folder and then they're like really yeah and that's when it gets fun because I'll turn home and I say listen here's reality

because it's an ego thing at that point because these guys really think who they are and I've said this has happened so many times I've lost count where these dialogues occur and I just turn to the guy because at that point I mean I'm not happy that I'm getting tapped, tailed, whatever you want to call it's a bit frustrating. It's an encouragement on my freedoms right? It could be considered a threat by some but technically there was no threat made

but what I usually do to antagonize them is I go listen you're here right now because you know who I am that means I'm important I have no clue who you are you're in nobody. You just got a half-ass folder and you're asking questions. You don't even know what you're talking about right now. Yeah. You're discussing topics that you don't even know. You're bringing up a topic because you got a folder that said to bring this topic up. Well, let's talk about it. What do you know about it? Oh, you don't know anything about it? Oh, so you just like, what'd you do? Like you didn't even do you? What did you read two pages into the folder? And how can you tell the difference between them and people that listen to you on a podcast and they're like, oh, Eric, I want to talk about it.

Because the people that listen to me on a podcast actually understand the topics that we're discussing. Interesting. But if some dude just got my folder and he's some lazy fed, he's just pulling out bullet points. And they're like, so, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And you're like, oh, cool, what do you think about that? Oh, you don't know anything about it? Interesting. Maybe you should have spent more than two hours on the folder before you showed up here.

Interesting. Yeah, that's wild. And that you can detect which people are, like, actual fans of which people are just. They've just done it so many times. What are they trying to do you think? Trying to just get data from you to like add to the folder? Yeah. To confirm things.

A lot of the questions have to do with how did I get my info. That seems to be a lot. And that's why I avoid that topic a lot. That makes sense. Yeah. Well, how do you know that that's what's going on? Because I was there. How's that for an answer?

Do you feel like they're trying to track down like the leaks? Yes. And then like punish the people that told you stuff? They want to figure out where the cracks in the dam were. Wow. Absolutely. And that's where you're so protective of trying to... That's a reason.

Yeah. For starters, the people that shared the information with me on certain topics were very clear. Like, I will share this with you, but you will never associate me to this. I'm not as bold as you in your maneuvers. I have fears. I have concerns. I'll give you this information, but you will not associate it to me. 10-4, copy that.

You know? So, yes, there's that edict from them. but then through my experiences and getting tapped so regularly, you start to realize their end game is to try to figure out what's going on, who knew what, where, when. Interesting. So when you first started talking about this, were you scared? No.

Not even. No. And back to that, these are big picture things, right? I don't have a fear of death because I don't think death is the end of anything. Hmm. We just trend this. There's more to life than we've considered. It's part of the controlling program to convince people that death is the end.

So that when you have a fear of death, you have something that you can hang over people's heads. Hmm. Interesting. If you're not afraid of, imagine if no one was afraid of dying because we completely understood what happens next. Right. You know how much loss of power and control? control certain factions would have immediately. It's a very powerful tool.

Interesting. And then on the point of, I know you and Patrick, but David talked about this, sort of like the thought control, implanting thoughts in people's heads. Do you feel like you've ever got a thought implanted in your head? Oh, I absolutely know that people have tried to do that. I'm aware of these technologies,

and this is where I would say that it's what we have to do to defend against this is know thyself. And this is why it was an ancient battle cry and bannered over the doors of the ancient mystery schools is that what we're experiencing today is technology that's attacking us mentally when in antiquity it was a technique. So our ancestors were aware

that someone who was proficient enough as a human being, again, to these skill sets that we're not being told that exist. There's a way to learn a technique. I just recently heard somebody discussing that they called it, oh, shoot, I forget the term that they use, but like throwing an image. So instead of throwing your voice, right? We know that you can throw your voice, right? If I'm proficient enough, I can make it sound like I'm in there. Yeah, I've seen that.

Well, couldn't I then make it sound like I'm in there? Hmm. If I could copy your voice, couldn't I then insert my thought in your head in your voice? Hmm. These are just old techniques. But now we have technologies that can do the same thing. The end result response to that still is know thyself. So you already, right now, you have all these different thoughts going through your head and Mark, maybe you should this,

Mark, maybe you should that. And you have this inner dialogue. What if I can add an additional version of you into that conversation? But it's one that I control what it says. Whether I do it by technique or technology, it's powerful. Interesting. Yeah, that's interesting. Yeah, I don't know.

And commercially marketable. Right, yeah. Because now if it's the, now if the debate in the inner dialogue is, do I want a Whopper or a Big Mac? Well, now we understand commercial motive. Right, exactly. Well, who's going to pay more that week? Yeah. You know?

Yeah. Well, this week it's Big Macs and next week it's Whoppers because now McDonald's and Burger King just got into collusion and decided on odd number days we're going to pump into people's heads that it's Big Mac Day. And on even numbers days, it's whoppers. Deal? Deal. Okay. That's where we are right now. Yeah, I'm interested in that.

I want to look more into that. topic of like how they can get into our dreams and things like that. I don't know. For me sometimes when I think of ideas, I don't always like hear a voice telling me the idea. Oh, understood. Yeah. And I'm not trying to claim that that's exactly what they're doing. They're just stating that they can have the information.

They're not really discussing the how. They're just clarifying that the dialogue can occur. The thought can be put in there. Maybe it's an image. Maybe it's a word. Maybe it's both. Maybe it's some on one day, some on another. A feeling and emotion, things like that.

Right. Yeah, maybe it's just that when the commercial comes on, you have a feeling of affinity. So that it's a one-two punch, so to say. But that's different than for the dreams. The dreams is taking it to another level because they're not talking about it being impacted by the television and it being a one-two. They're straight up saying this new technology is us. dialogueing with you in a lucid state. Have you ever had a dream about a brand?

Not that I could think of off the top of my head. Yeah, I'm thinking about my dreams. It's like, it's always weird. It's always like, I've got to build a go-cart. I've definitely had some peculiar dreams, but I don't think I can recall specifically. I only have 10 minutes. I'm on the moon. You know what I mean?

It's just like goofy stuff. I never like dream about like, oh, I can't wait to buy GEICO insurance. You know what I mean? Understood. So I'd be curious if I woke up with a dream like that I'd be like, oh, that's weird. But it's never happened.

I don't think I've ever... Understood. Yeah. So I'd be curious, like, if that happens. I got to read that article. I'll link it in the description, the scientific thing. If you start having dreams with Ronald McDonald's, and Girmus running around with you building go carts stuff.

That's where it's sketchy, dude. Yeah. And if he's good at building go cards and I win the race, then I will go to McDonald's. I'd be fine with it. Yeah, this is all really interesting. It's a lot to take in. Absolutely. It's tons.

I hope you don't find my line of questioning to be... No, no, no. This is fantastic. Okay. I appreciate it. Yeah. This is this to me is normal human conversation. Okay.

And curiosity. I'm not a fed. I don't know if you can tell on my hair. Yeah. But yeah, it's just a lot to take in. It's a lot to think about. And I think there's some things I kind of disagree on, but there's a lot of elements that I think are very interesting and I do agree on. A lot of the things that I'm presenting, I would say, are inherently disagreeable.

Nobody wants what I'm saying to be true, including me. Yeah. But this is the problem is that we, you know, I forget who said it and where, but they said that, you know, if you make the lie so big, it's just like it's undigestable. Yeah. We, we, it's repugnant. We refuse. Like, we literally, like, refuse to believe it. Yeah.

Because it's such a powerful problem. Yeah. Yeah. And there's something of your energy also, your delivery, like the enthusiasm you have is like. I want people to know what's going on because it's, it's. It's for the betterment of all of us involved, instead of just the monopoly of what's going on right now. This is not the way the world is supposed to work.

Right. Yeah. The two main conversations I've listened to before we talk, Sean Ryan and Patrick Bet David, both of them kind of seemed a little bit flummoxed, for lack of a better word, about your information. And you are correct, but for different reasons. It's actually funny.

So, Sean literally, like, I was the third person that he interviewed that, day. And I mean, the interview is what it is. We saw how that went. But the funny, the funny thing was, as soon as he ended the production, right, cut the cameras, he literally, like, jumped out of his chair, put his hand across to shake my hand, and was like, you'll come back and talk about this again, right? And I was like, yeah, sure.

He goes, he goes, I don't even know what to do with what you just told me. He goes, I was sitting here the whole time. He goes, you were saying stuff. and he goes, I couldn't even think of a question. He goes, you just, you blew my mind. Yeah. He goes, I didn't even know where to go with this. Interesting.

And I was like, I get it. Yeah, Sean's a man. That's cool. He's a great dude. But now this is, this is a Navy SEAL CIA operator. Like, this guy has seen some shit and can extrapolate. And it blew my mind that I blew his mind. Yeah.

And I was like, what do you mean? You don't get what I'm getting that. I came here because I thought you would get what I'm getting at. But this is the dilemma. This is, you know, one of the first things that I spoke to Dr. Greer about before, you know, I ever went on air with him. But I was talking with him behind the scenes like, hey, sir, you know, I know these things. You know these things.

We're all trying to connect the dots. And I, you know, ever since I've been disclosing my information, I really, really, I really thought that I would just take the information that I have and, like, almost like, like drop it on the table and that like all these other noble newscasters, all these, I just figured that they would take it and run and do the right thing.

I've never been as disappointed in my life to see that people just don't even want to touch it. And I really frustrates me that a lot of it has to do with a lack of understanding because to me I walk this walk. So to me it makes perfect sense. I, from my perspective,

I don't understand how other people have difficulty with it. Yeah. Well, it is a lot. I think you can acknowledge that. I can now, in hindsight, having tried so hard for all these years, I appreciate that angle, but that's not what I was at in the beginning.

Sure. In the beginning, I just thought like, here you go. This is everything you need to know. I can get that. If you have first-hand experience, you hear from the people that know exactly what's going on, and then you drop it all, you're like, guys, hello.

And then you kind of forget, like, oh, they haven't gone through what I've gone through. Right. And this is one of the things that I discussed with Greer was he was like, he's like, what you don't understand is how little people understand when you're talking to them. And I was like, what? Like, he goes, your new job, he goes, which you're going to hate. He goes, you're going to have to be so repetitive.

It's nauseating. Yeah. And I was like, don't say that. Because I like, I hate having to repeat myself. It's maddening to me when you say something. So it's like, what? You say it again, what? But this is what I have to do now.

This is the burden that I bear is that apparently no one's listening or comprehending, so I have to keep saying it until they do. That's where I'm at. Now, and I ask this, it's going to sound insulting, so forgive me. I just know people will want to know. Like, are there any, like, drugs or things you were doing at the time that you were figuring this out that you feel like influenced your opinion about this at all? psychedelics, anything like that?

No. No. Have you ever been diagnosed for any type of like mental illness? Never. As a matter of fact, I've been through many psychological evaluation processes that the average human never goes through. And I've been shown to be awesome. Passed everything.

Psychological eval for the submarine service, I passed. Psychological eval for the winter program at the Antarctic Station. I passed. So technically I've been psychologically evaluated and shown to be better off than most people. Sure. Yeah. Those are the facts. Yeah.

Interesting. I can operate from a position where if other people want to challenge me with that, I would say, show me the psychological evaluation that you ever took that says you're not nuts. Because I've done it twice. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You have the receipts.

Yeah. Interesting. Interesting. And so now you're working in Alaska full-time, doing similar kind of work that you were doing in ARCA? Yeah, remote maintenance in very austere conditions that are challenging. Yeah. I like fixing stuff when the odds are against you.

Yeah. That's, you know, like you had stated earlier, like, you know, is plumbing boring that not the way, not in the environments I work in? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. As being a welder boring or like, you know, if you're a deep sea welder, you know what I mean?

Like, it's kind of cool. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, that makes sense. I choose working environments that make my job challenging because I like to be in that mode. I do well in emergency operations. And is there anything that you want? Is there a product that you are putting out there?

Is there anything that you want people to, like, pay attention to or focus on just as like a general kind of wrapping up PSA? No. As far as me trying to pump anything, absolutely not. I would just ask people to go to my website, deciphering.tv, and share the information. I mean, I have interviews like this will go up there. Other pertinent people's work I've been starting to put up there. So to me, it's just a repository of truth.

And I would respect anybody who gets involved in this fight to help share the truth. Go to deciphering.com. Watch some videos. Anything that strikes a chord, please share it. Awesome. Yeah, I really appreciate you coming all the way out this way. And I know this was a long journey. It's all good.

I really appreciate it. And yeah, it was very, very interesting. A lot of stuff I'm going to think about probably for a while. Yeah, awesome. Did you enjoy the conversation? Was it fair? Absolutely. This is a very fair conversation.

I'm happy that it was as long form as it was. Yeah, absolutely. Because I think it just gives people more saturation into the topic to understand that it's bigger and more complex than other conversations might have even shown. Yeah. And then anything you would want to omit or cut out, you can just let me know. I think everything's hunky-dory.

Okay, awesome. Yeah, this was really cool. I think the audience will enjoy it. And was there any details or anything that we left out that you feel like is important for the overall discussion? I don't want to say left out, but I would like to double down and re-emphasize

know thyself. That's the answer to this is that people have the power to learn discernment. We have so many systems, structures around us contemporarily to take us out of our own in here. You know, we've got, you know, digital weapons that are distributed to us and everybody's sitting here doing this all the time and they're not in here anymore.

So that provides a level of confusion for the enemy, basically. And if we practice discernment and learn to know thyself with greater accuracy, that's how we defeat these systems. Yeah. That's what we need to learn. So it's like, you know, people are familiar with the term firewalls and computer systems and stuff like that. And when we get into these technological intrusions into our own heads, you know, I get the immediate fear that everybody could have. Like, oh, my God, they're in my head and they can connect to my...

It's a two-way street. There's no firewall. So we, as much as it is an intrusion, and they can get into our heads, like I said before, like if you don't admit there's a problem, there's nothing you can do about it. In this equation, once we realize there is a problem, the knowing thyself and the wherewithal to know that there's not a firewall, well, we're no longer the victims. we can have people that can become proficient in reversing the conversation back into whatever system is intruding. Amazing.

Because there's no firewall. So we as a people can collectively overpower this technology by appreciating the problem and learning the ancient technique. Know thyself. Be aware of the intrusive thought that doesn't match all of the other thoughts in your own. your head so that you can separate the wheat from the chaff and be better for it instead of being caught in this state of confusion that we see so many people around us being negatively impacted by I would just simply say intrusive thoughts applied by technology when have we ever seen so many people on this planet agree about anything as rapidly as we saw the whole

planet start putting masks on yeah that's That's funny. I would say there's an application of a technology to make everybody very acquiescing. Oh, yeah, I was going to put a mask on by whatever detail they stated was their justification. And I would say that was a personalized widespread assault that they were very simply able to put a technology that could read Mark's head. Well, what is it going to take for Mark to put a mask on? Ultimately, the end goal is to get the mask on him. and him and him and him and her and her.

But they personalized it because we have that level of technology that can go in and put an AI bot into you that says, well, what is the thing that'll get? Let's try this and let's try that. Until eventually we got to cross the board compliance. Yeah. Yeah, I wonder if you need a technology like that,

like a thought technology, or hypothetically you could just use traditional media. Oh, it's all of those things. fear of, you know, ostracization and... It was a full court press with the addition of the new tech. I mean, we're certainly seeing it in the media everywhere, but we've always had the media per se, but we've never had that level of compliance.

Hmm. Yeah, I could see that. Well, this is all very interesting. I really appreciate Eric. Thank you again for coming on. Yeah, I think this was fantastic. And I'm curious to see if people actually watch a video this long. I'm hopeful that they do because I believe that matters a lot in this world of, you know, sound bites and video shorts.

Yeah. I don't think any of that stuff does justice to any topic. Yeah, I agree. Well, I appreciate it. Thank you so much for having me, Mark. Yeah, absolutely. Talk soon.