Camp Gagnon - Why Jesus Defeats Islam’s Antichrist

Episode Date: August 9, 2026

Today we’re exploring how Jesus defeated Islam’s Antichrist. From the descent of Isa Bin Miriam to the final battle against the Dajjal, we’re breaking down the Islamic apocalypse to understand why Jesus holds such a pivotal role in this tradition...WELCOME TO RELIGION CAMP! 🏕️ Shoutout to our sponsors: Mars Men and Morgan & Morgan -Visit https://mengotomars.com and get 50% Off FOR LIFE, Free Shipping, and 3 Free Gifts with Code 'CAMP' at Checkout. Want the even WILDER theories? SIGN UP TO THE PATREON: https://www.patreon.com/cw/CampGagnon ✝️☪️✡️🕉️☦️ Religion Camp Merch: https://camp-rd.com 🎟️ 🎫 Comedy Tour Tickets Here: https://markgagnonlive.com 🏕️ Get Today In History Email Here (Free): https://www.dailytodayinhistory.com Timestamps: 0:00 Welcome to Religion Camp! 2:43 Isa Bin Miriam + Jesus in Islam 7:03 Jesus Survives The Crucifixion 9:16 The Dajjal In The Hadith 12:04 Difference in Quran & Hadith 14:36 Isa’s Return in Islamic Apocalypse 17:55 Who Is The Dajjal? + The Mhadi 22:40 Isa’s Decent to Earth 27:27 Isa’s Battle w/ The Antichrist 30:00 Gog and Magog 34:54 Is This Story Real? 38:14 The Connecting Point of Jesus 41:55 Drop Your Thoughts! #foryou #foryoupage #foryourpage #religion #jesus #islam #islamic #islamicvideo #islamicreminder #kaaba Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Wayfair, every style, every home. In Islam, the Quran promises that the apocalypse is coming. There will be disasters and death and a great deceiver, the Dajal, a one-eyed false Messiah who fools nearly all of humanity into worshipping him as a god. A monstrous horde will pour over the earth and drink the rivers dry. There will be a plague of worms. It will be the darkest hour that humanity will ever face.

But the tradition promises something else. That in all of that chaos, one figure will descend from the heavens from God on the wings of an angel, and he will defeat be dejol. Hunt down, be deceiver, lead the faithful, and carry humanity through to the other side of disaster. And you will never guess who it is. It's Jesus. Yes, in Islam, Issa is the showstopper who turns the tide in the end days of Islam. And the thing is, this isn't a fringe belief.

This is described in Islamic theology with extreme details written about it in both the Quran and Hadith. And in both Sunni and Shia traditions. So how did the son of God from Christianity, the one who was born of a virgin, died in a cross, resurrected three days later, all that stuff, how does he become the star of the Islamic apocalypse? Well, today we're going to find out. We are following Issa all the way to the end of days through the final battle. even to beyond through a final unexpected twist of fate and uncovering why Islam hands its final world-saving mission to him and not to any other prophets. So sit back, relax, and welcome to

Religion Camp. What's up, people, and welcome back to Religion Camp. My name is Mark Gagnon, and thank you for joining me in my tent where every single Sunday we explore the most interesting, fascinating, controversial stories from every religion from all time forever. Yes, that is what I do hear in this tent every single week is I try to figure out what everyone believes. That is the purpose of this show. I do this show every week because two things. One, I want to understand what every person on this earth orientes their life around. I think religion and God is very personal for many people, but it's also very cultural. And in order to be a better human being on this earth, I want to

understand who is the God that everyone worships. And every person has a different version of it, and I want to understand what that is. I think makes me a better person. Also, I want to take all the great things from every religion that I find and apply them to my own life so that I can be a better human being. I think by decoding all the world's religions, you get these threads of truth that manifest and show up over and over. And that to me is perhaps the core of really what humanity is all about. Now, today we're going down a path that is fascinating. If you've watched this channel before or if you grew up Muslim, this is not going to be that new to you. But if you are outside of the Muslim world or you didn't grow up in a Muslim country or you don't have that many Muslim friends,

well, this might be a little bit shocking. Now, let me just say a few things up top. One, I'm not Muslim. I grew up Catholic, and that is the tradition that I claim to. So if there's anything that I, you know, say wrong, any words I mispronounce, anything that I don't fully explain, my bad, I'm coming at this in good faith, trying to understand the mysteries of the Quran. Now, if there's anything that I miss, please feel free to drop a comment, YouTube, Spotify. I read all of them. So make sure you, yeah, if you have any interesting tidbits that I didn't mention in the episode,

please drop them below. Just be nice about it. Okay, I'm trying my very best. Now, today we're talking about the end of times. Now, if you grew up Christian, you're probably familiar with, you know, the book of Revelation and the final battle and Christ coming back, all that stuff. But Islam has its very own detailed eschatological record that is fascinating and robust and has so many different little layers to it that I find fascinating.

And some people will say that the signs are pointing that we're heading that way right now. All my Muslim friends are like, look what's going on, read the Quran, read Hadith. They're going to see. It's going, it's happening. Now, before I go any further, I want to say thank you to you for clicking on this episode because every time you click on an episode or subscribe to the channel or comment, like, anything like that, you help keep my dreams alive, you help the show grow, you help keep the lights on in the tent and keep the fire burning here at the campsite.

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All right, this is the same Jesus. When we're talking about Islam and we're talking about Christianity, we're talking about fundamentally the same figure, so to speak. But what they mean to the two different religious groups is vastly different. So let's talk about Jesus in the Christian tradition. All right, Jesus, born of a Jewish virgin, son of God, the guy who, Christianity is all kind of named on and, you know, it's kind of like in the name. And most people know about Jesus through reading the Bible, specifically the Gospels. But that is only one place

that Jesus appears. He actually appears in many other places. So in the Quran, for example, the holy book of Islam, his name is Issa, the son of Miriam. That's Mary, the same Mary, by the way. And he actually plays a pretty big role in Islam, specifically at the end of the world in the apocalyptic literature. And that's what we're going to go through today. And his His story kicks off exactly how you would expect with a miracle. There are two big passages in Quran chapter 3 versus 45 to 55, and in the Quran chapter 19 versus 16 to 34, that really tell about these miracles. So Miriam is a virgin.

An angel shows up. She's told that she's going to have a child by God's command. No father, but just a pure, miraculous birth. So far, all my Christians are like, all right, yep, that's what I know. Then it gets even more miraculous in the Muslim tradition. the baby Issa, and I mean like a newborn baby, he talks. Right out the cradle, he speaks up to defend his mom from a whole scandal of like, wait, whose kid is this? Where's the daddy? And when he grows up, the Quran gives him a full

resume. He heals the blind. He cures lepers. He raises the dead. And maybe my favorite one, he takes a lump of clay, shapes a little bird, breathes on it, and it comes alive and flies off. I mean, it's like awesome. This is why I love reading excerpts from the Quran, which admittedly I haven't read the whole thing. But it's fun from a Catholic point of view because it's like, oh, this is the same, this is the same Issa. You know, like I like also that Muslims say peace be upon them. They say, yes, Jesus, peace be upon them. It's like, oh, that's nice. A lot of my Christian friends, they don't say that, you know.

So Muslims are like putting respect on it. As a Catholic, I'm going to start doing that. I'll be like, yep, I pray to Jesus Christ, peace be upon them. Because it's just like, it's a nice, it feels good, you know. Also, it's interesting to read because there's so many miracles, or not so many, but some miracles that occur in the Quran that don't exist in the Bible. And so it's kind of fun to read it. Like if you're coming from a Christian perspective, you're like,

oh, this is kind of like, you know, they're adding some elements to it. You know, it's like a multiverse. Now, all of the stuff he does in the Quran is pretty godlike. And some of the miracles are consistent with what you would read about in the Bible. But of course, the the the theologies do diverge. Every single miracle, the healing, raising the dead, the claybird. It comes by Allah's permission. So, for example, Quran chapter 5, verse 110, it literally lists them all out.

And every time it's careful to say that Issa did it by God's power, not by the power of Jesus, not by the power of Issa himself. He's the one that is ultimately holding the tool, but God is giving the power behind it. Allah is ultimately the force that makes it happen. In Christianity, that's kind of also true. But it's because God the Father and God the Son, aka Jesus, are one, right? God's will in the person of Jesus and the person of the Father are aligned. So their power works in conjunction, even though their theology teaches that they are distinct persons, which is essentially how the Trinity works, right?

Father, son, Holy Spirit. But in Islam, of course, there is no Trinity. When the Quran says Issa does miracles by Allah's permission, it's drawing a hard line in the sand, making sure that you understand the prophet is not God himself. And that is the role that Jesus plays in Islam. He is honored and revered enormously. One of the greatest messengers God ever sent for sure. but divine himself is he truly God is he worth worshipping? Well, in Islam, the answer is no.

So in Quran chapter 4, verse 171 and Quran chapter 5, verse 73, it comes right out and warns people. Don't call him the son of God. Don't say Trinity. God is one. In the Islamic view, calling a prophet God is the single worst sin or the worst mistake that you could do, that Allah is ultimately one force and that all the prophets are serving Allah. But they are not the same. Now, There's a, maybe a, it's a difficult theological concept, but as Christians, we believe also in one God. We are monotheistic, but we have the Trinity, which is its own episode we should do a whole thing on. But all of this sort of sets up the strangest claim in the entire episode, the crucifixion. So Christianity is built on Jesus' crucifixion.

It is the single most important event that happens in the Bible and ultimately the resurrection. So in Christianity, you have the death and the cross and the resurrection. three days later. And it's not a minor detail. It is the, it is the entire thesis of the religion of Christianity. But Islam looks at that same exact event and goes, not exactly. So, for example, Quran chapter 4, verse 157, 159 says it flat out. They didn't kill him. They didn't crucify him, but it was made to appear that way to them and that God raised him up to himself. Now, got to be careful. Because even most Muslims don't all read this the exact same way. Most classical scholars will say that it means somebody else got crucified in Jesus's place, some type of substitute

while God lifted the real Jesus up bodily, still alive, that Christ was never crucified, therefore never had to be resurrected. Others read, raised more like a spiritual thing. And it's genuinely still debated amongst Muslim scholars to this day. But the mainstream majority take, the one that we're going to use as a reference point for our story, lands somewhere. Hear that? It's your money calling. It wants a promotion. Elevate your savings with the Scotia high-interest savings account. Always earn high regular interest rates that grow the more you save and invest. Conditions apply.

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He can just come back. So pick up a life that got paused mid-sentence two thousand years ago. So in the Quran, the Quran's version of Jesus, he is miraculous and honored and human, but not God. And crucially, was never crucified or killed, just now hanging out with Allah in a bodily form waiting. Now, you might be asking, what is he waiting for? Well, let's jump to the next place that Issa enters the picture in traditional Islamic theology, and that is at the apocalypse. Now, if you're familiar with the Muslim End Times, you're probably familiar with the Dajal, the sword, the descent from the sky.

But what's interesting is that almost none of that is described in the Quran at all. So this next part is the single most important thing to keep straight in the whole episode. So let's go through it slowly to make sure we can get everything right. Here it is. Almost everything spectacular that you're going to hear about Jesus's return, like him, land, ending in Damascus, killing the Dajal, aka the Antichrist, too. I'll explain in a second. The saffron robes, the 40-year reign, everything we go over.

Almost none of it is directly from the Quran, from the holy book of Islam. It comes from the Hadith. Now, the Hadith are a huge collection of reports about what the Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, said and did, gathered up and fact-checked in the centuries after the prophet died. So you can think of it this way. Like, the Quran is scripture. It is, for Muslims, it's almost like Jesus himself in a book, in a text that was literally given by God to the prophet.

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Now, let's get back to the show. So let's try to sort through these two sources to understand what we're talking about. What does the Quran give us about Issa? Well, similar things. The virgin birth, the miracles by God's permission, the non-crucrucifixion, the raising up, and the one teasing disputed little verse, Quran 43, verse 61, that calls Jesus something like a sign of the hour, that hour being judgment day. Some scholars read that as a straight-up prediction that he's coming back, others read it

differently in a more metaphorical sense. And honestly, it's one of those things that has just continued to be argued about. But that one verse is about as close as the Quran itself gets to talking about a return of Jesus. And everything else, which is a lot in traditional Muslim theology or eschatology comes from the hadith, the specific city of return, the specific clothing, the weapon he'll use, the specific enemy. All of it lives in the big trusted collections. And these are the collections, which I'm going to try my best with pronunciation. the Sahi Abu Qari, the Sahi Muslim, and the Sunan Abi Dawut.

Now, there is a scholar named David Cook, and his stuff is basically the, like, go-to academic reference on Islamic end-time materials. And he makes exactly this point. The overwhelming book of Islam's detailed apocalypse isn't scripture outright. It is Hadith. It is recorded preaching. Now, look, it's not like a problem or anything. for most Muslims, a solid, authenticated Hadith carries real religious weight, but it also does mean that the apocalypse were going to walk through got assembled piece by piece in the tradition

that grew up around the Quran, not inside of it. And it's important, I think, to highlight the difference between the Quran and the Hadith, because, I mean, two reasons. One, a ton of people, Muslims and non-Muslims genuinely have no idea which parts are scripture, like from Allah himself, and which parts are tradition told around the prophet after his death. So out of respect for the text and, of course, for the religion and everyone in it, we're going to do our best to keep it all straight. And two, I think it explains something that we're going to come back to over and over again, and that is the disagreements.

So when a detail comes from a bunch of separate reports, instead of one fixed verse, you're going to get variation. Different versions, different chains of who heard it and from whom. And scholars are going to argue about what it actually means for centuries. Again, that's not a problem. It's just what a tradition built out of thousands of reports looks like. And you're going to find similar issues in Christianity to an extent as well. So now we can finally ask the question that we are leading towards this entire episode.

God's going to send one prophet down to earth to end humanity's final showdown to save all human beings. One person. So why not the prophet Muhammad, peace be upon? The guy that Islam calls the greatest prophet of all, the seal of the prophet, it's the final messenger, why go past the Prophet Muhammad and go to Jesus? So the classical answer to this question is brilliant, and it comes in layers, so stick with me. So the first layer is that Issa is the only one that's available. Remember how in Islam, Issa never died, right?

He was raised up alive, bodily, and he's been there ever since. Every other prophet, so Moses, Abraham, even the Prophet Muhammad, peace be to all of them. One more peace to all of them. Just for the sake of this episode, I'm just going to kind of save them. So peace to everyone involved. But all of these prophets are dead and buried and waiting on the general resurrection like the rest of humanity. But Jesus, he's the one guy with an unfinished life. So his return doesn't need a resurrection.

It just resumes. Like you pause a movie and then you hit play again. The Prophet Muhammad story is finished, sealed and completed, buried in Medina. Issa story is still an open book. and at the end of the world is where it's finally going to be closed. And there's a deeper layer even under that, and this part is so fascinating to me. Think about the two big mistakes, if you will, that Islam believes that the rest of the world made about Issa. The first mistake is that he died on the cross.

And the second mistake is that he was God himself. Islam says both of these are wrong. So now you have to ask yourself, what would it take to fix both of those publicly and permanently and at the climax of all of history? Well, you need Issa himself back alive, which according to their argument proves that he never died, bowing to God, which proves that he isn't God himself and never was God. So this is how all those rumors will be dispelled in one singular action with the one witness literally no one can argue with, which is Jesus. And then the tradition adds a little twist. So the bad guy, Issa comes back to destroy, is the Dejol.

That is the name. That's literally the name that translates to the false Messiah. This is the great deceiver, a figure whose entire deal is tricking the world into worshiping him as divine. And we actually did an entire episode on the Dajal at Religion Camp, so you can check it out because the entire story of the Dajal and who he is. And it's super interesting and frankly pretty creepy. But notice what's happening here. Symbolically, the prophet who got falsely worshipped as God is the exact guy sent to personally take down history's ultimate false God. Literally the Antichrist.

the confusion about who Issa was in his life becomes the whole reason that he's chosen to end the biggest lie about divinity when he comes back. Now, of course, scholars just call this poetic justice and I mean, it is. Like, if you look at it strictly, like, even if you are not a believer, a follower of Islam,

you can look at this and be like, it's just good writing. And that is why Issa is the one at the end of times that is going to cut down the Dajal. Now, let's look at the world that he's coming back into because by the time he shows up, the place is already on fire. So I know I mentioned a couple minutes ago that we already did an episode on the Dajal, but really quick, if you haven't seen it, I'm just going to catch you up on all the most

important things because I think it's needed for this section. The Dajal is Islam's Antichrist, right? The hadith in Sahi Muslim describes him as one-eyed with the word kaffir, meaning unbeliever, written right across his forehead. And every true believer can read it and see for themselves what it is. He shows up in a time of total chaos and famine. At Desjardin Insurance, we know that when you own a nail salon, everything needs to be perfect from tip to toe. That's why our agents go the extra mile to understand your business and provide tailored solutions for all its unique needs.

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From the creation of Adam all the way to the end of the world, there is no fitna greater than the dejaul. Now, a fitna is a trial, it's a temptation. But it says in this Hadith, there is no temptation or trial greater than this one. Nothing. He is the most dangerous test that the human race will ever face. And into all that chaos, a second figure rises up. This is the Madi, and this is the rightly guided one,

a divinely guided leader who basically comes to rally the believers in the last day. Now, again, this is where we kind of got to go slow because the Mahdi is where the certainty starts getting a little shaky from, you know, interpretation to translation. Because, you know, the belief in Jesus coming back is basically a universal idea across Islam. It's rock solid. You're not really going to meet any practicing Muslims that don't believe that. But interestingly, the mati is not as definite. And there's a big reason why. The Mahdi is not in the Quran at all.

Like not even once. He's a hadith and a later tradition thing. And even within the Hadith, scholars argue about which Madi actually has the most reliable reports behind them. So most Muslims do believe a Mahdi is coming. But exactly who he is and what he does, it's a little bit more blurry. So, for example, a core Sunni report in Sunnan Abid Dawood, where Muhammad, peace be upon him, says the Madi will come from his own family, from the line of his daughter, Fatima. And that one line from the descendants of Fatima is exactly where two of the biggest branches of Islam go in different directions. Because, as you may know, Sunnis and Shias agree Issa is coming back. They agree a Madi is coming. But on the question

of who the Madi actually is, I mean, they couldn't disagree more. And their disagreement centers on a major question. Has the Madi been born yet? So for most Sunni Muslims, the answer is no. Madhi is a future guy, someone that is yet to come, not born yet, or at least not yet revealed. He'll be a descendant of the prophet through Fatima's line, who's going to step onto the scene during some period of massive global crisis, get recognized, and lead the believers, right? He's going to come later. But 12er Shia Islam, this is the biggest Shia branch and a very dominant religion, perhaps the most dominant in Iran.

It actually gives a different answer. For them, the Madi isn't some future arrival at all. He's a specific real historical person who's already here, just hidden. Now, this can be confusing if you're not super familiar with the story. So again, you can check out our episode on the Dajal, but I'll try to explain a little more here. They identify him, the Madi, as the 12th Imam, Muhammad al-Madi. He was born back in the 9th century, and they believe that he never died. Instead, he entered the state that they call occultation, which basically means concealed by

God. So he's alive, still on earth, and has been hidden among us and waiting for thousands of years. Now, sit with that for a second, because it sounds a little crazy if you're not brought up in this tradition, right? In this version, the end times don't create the Mahdi. They reveal the one who's been hiding in the wings the entire time. Now, that one detail creates a genuinely different story. And Shia tradition has built out the most detailed, most systematized end times roadmap of maybe any school in Islam, right down to the order of things and how they will happen. So some Shia narrations have the hidden imam come out and rule for a set period before Issa even shows up. And then Issa arrives and prays behind him, basically vouching for him like, yo, this is,

this is the real Madi, right? Sunni accounts usually pack the two guys big moments like much closer together. But, and this part is really important because it is the thread that connects both of these versions. Issa, Jesus, right, is not the guy at the top. He comes back to back up the Muslim community's leader, not to become him or to replace him, which brings us to the moment that everything's been building towards. This is the actual descent. This is the single moment that Issa comes back to a world that is, I mean, just completely collapsing. And the Hadith describes his event with, like, movie level details. So mainstream Sunni theology and a lot of Shia traditions too, they say that Issa returns physically before the day of judgment.

And the big description comes from Sahi Muslim 2937. This is a hadith, and here's how it goes. The terror that the Dijal has brought to the world is at its absolute peak. It is just carnage and chaos and mayhem. And right at that moment, God sends down Issa, the son of Miriam. And he descends at the white minaret on the eastern side of Damascus. And he's wearing two garments, lightly dyed with some. Saffron. His hands are resting on the wings of two angels. I mean, just notice how specific that is.

It's not somewhere on earth. They name a city that still exists. Damascus is still a real city. They name a structure, a white minaret, which a lot of later traditions pin to the eastern minaret of the great Umayyad mosque. They even know the color of his clothes and the angels holding him up on either side. Now, another hadith, Sahi al-Bulchari, 3448. This gives you a matching promise. The son of Mary is coming down soon as a just ruler. And the Hadith just keeps layering on the details. When Jesus lowers his head, the water drips off, just like he stepped out of a bath. When he lifts his head back up, the drops roll off of him like scattered pearls, and his breath is lethal to falsehood. Every disbeliever it touches is said to drop dead, and it reaches as far

as anyone can see. But here's the moment that I think we should really lock into. You would figure that Issa returns and takes charge, right? I mean, he's Jesus. He's the only prophet that's up there with Allah. Like, he's going to come back, he's going to save the day, and he's going to rule the earth, right? No. Instead, and this is from a hadith, from a report from Musnad Ahmad, 2,3408, and it flips the entire thing. So, the Madi, out of pure respect, turns to Jesus and invites him to step up and lead the group prayer. And Jesus says no. Issa, literally, literally, looks at the Mahdi and says no, and he tells him, basically, this leadership is yours. And then he falls in line and prays behind this Muslim leader. So think about what that image is saying. The most

exalted figure in all of Christian history, literally God himself, right, comes back in glory, in front of everyone and chooses to be one worshipper in the crowd, bowing to God right alongside the Muslim leader. So in one gesture, the whole tradition makes its entire argument that Issa is not God himself, but is a servant of God. Now, I'm going to pause here because this is the exact kind of thing. I want to flag just for nuance. Not every Hadith agrees on this point specifically. Some narrations actually have Issa leading the prayer,

and Muslim scholars have once again spent centuries trying to square these two. Maybe he leads once, maybe he defers another time. Maybe the reports are describing different moments entirely. So we can't just pretend like it's settled. The point is just that the dominant image, the one carrying much of the theological weight, is the one where Issa humbles himself before God and prays behind the Mahdi. Now, after that moment of humility, he goes to war, except the fight with the Dajal is not the fight that you're expecting. In fact, killing the Antichrist is not even Issa's hardest job.

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unforgettable. It says that the Dajal melts like salt and water. Remember, this is the creature who terrorized the entire planet, who fooled all of humanity, who got called the single greatest trial since Adam, and the instant he lays eyes on the real prophet of God, staring at him. He just falls apart. And that's significant, because again, think of Issa's breath. It literally says that falsehood literally can't hold its shape in the presence of the real thing, that literally the breath of Issa can destroy falsehood. But Jesus chases him down and finishes it at a specific spot at the gate of Lod. Now again, because this detail is rare, most apocalyptic prophecies name places that are

either symbolic or maybe lost to history, but once again, not this one. Lod is a real place. Today it's called Lod. It's a city in Israel right near Tel Aviv. and you can pull it up on a map right now. You can just Google it. It's actually where Israel's main international airport sits. So a prophecy written down in the 7th century pins the exact death of the Antichrist

to a spot that you can literally pull up right now on Google Maps. Whatever you make of the theology, that kind of specificity is really cool and really interesting to Islam. Now, here's another little thing that I love about, you know, how all the old scholars basically organized this. So the chapter in Sahi Muslim that tells this entire story is basically titled, all in one sentence, The appearance of the Dejal, his stay on earth, and the descent of Jesus and his killing him. They didn't file these in separate stories. To the guys who completed and ultimately compiled the hadith, the Dejal and the returning of Jesus were always one arc. The deceiver, the one sent to undo him, they were bound together from the jump.

like they are interconnected like cosmically like you can't have a dejal without jesus coming to destroy him like their their destinies are intertwined and so the dejal is dead and in most people's mental movie of an apocalypse that's the climax right like you had this evil person that tried and you know tried to deceive all of humanity then the hero comes down and then judgment day comes and then roll credits that's the end right produced by dick wolf or whatever comes up at the end of this movie. Except in Islam, it's not the ending. In fact, it's not even really the middle. This is where Islam's version splits hard from the one that most people in the West think that they know. And honestly, it's stranger than you probably even realize. Here's the version you probably know.

If you studied Revelation in like Sunday school, you would probably think like, this is probably a story you're familiar with, right? Jesus comes back and it runs pretty much straight into the final judgment. He returns. Satan loses. The world ends. Everybody gets judged. Heaven and hell, boom, that's it. But in Islam, killing the Dajal doesn't trigger the end. It opens up an entire new chapter of history. So let's go through the actual sequence in Islam. Issa returns, kills the Dajal, a stretch of peace and prosperity settles over the earth with him ruling justly. And then the ground cracks open with the next crisis. It's called Yajouge and Majouge, Gog and Magog. Now, what is this, right? Who are these two? Well, they're not just,

a Hadith tradition, but they actually come straight out of the Quran, which once again matters a lot for the theology. So remember that. Sarah al-Khaf, chapter 18, verse 94 through 98, tells of a righteous ruler. This guy, Dool Karnayan. And the name literally translates to the two-horned one, which way back in time walled off a violent, world-corrupting people behind this massive barrier of iron and molten copper, like to protect everybody else from them. And Surah al-Anbiyah, chapter 21 versus 96 or 97, promises that one day this wall will give out. And the world-corrupting people will come pouring down from every height. And their release all by itself is a sign that the hour is near.

Now, the hour of this is, of course, the end times. And then the Hadith fills in the horror of this whole thing. So Gog and Magog swarm out, all these world-corrupting people, and their numbers are beyond counting. From every slope, every hill, they just come and destroy. So they drink entire lakes dry. One report says that the first of them passes the Sea of Galilee and drinks it down. And then the last one to arrive is like, oh, I thought there was water in this lake. I mean, they just destroy everything.

They eat everything. They trample everything. They destroy and defile everything. And for once, Issa, the guy who just melted the antichrist with looking at him, he can't fight them. There's just too many. So he and the believers retreat. They pull back to a mountain besieged and cornered by Gog and Magog, Yuzumajou, and times get so bad that a single ox's head is worth more than a fortune. So how does this catastrophe get resolved?

Well, it's not by Issa and not by any army. No, Issa and the believers just pray and they beg Allah for help and they look to Allah. They say, what can you do to fix this? And Allah answers directly. And what does he send to wipe out the mightiest force that humanity has ever faced? A worm. Or rather a parasite, a tiny parasite into the necks of Gogamag. And in a single night, the entire uncountable horde just drop dead all at once.

It literally says, as one's soul dies. The most unstoppable army in all of history undone, not by some great heroes, blade, or by a great general, or by a rebellion of the people, but by God, smallest curse in an answer to a prayer. And then there's the cleanup. And even that's described very vividly. The earth is buried in their bodies. Literally uncountable amounts of these world corrupting people that destroy everything just covers the entire earth until God sends birds to haul the corpses away and rain

to wash the entire world clean. And then peace comes back under Issa again. Oh, and one final image just to really hammer everything home. there's a hadith in Saki al-Bukhari where God tells Adam to send forth everyone bound for the fire. And the ratio comes out to like 999 out of every 1,000. And when the horrified crowd hears this and asks how anybody's getting saved against those odds, the answer is basically, hey, relax. The overwhelming bulk of that 99, that's actually gogging my gawk.

So most of the people that die are going to go to the fire, but most of the people that are dead at this point are the uncorruptible or the corruptible earth-eating people that are existing behind these gates. And that's how the tradition pictures their numbers, not a nation, not an army. Damn near most of everyone who's ever lived. It's an interesting note, just how many people will be sent to the fire, because that's how the tradition pictures it. It's not a nation that gets sent. It's not an army. It's almost everyone who's ever lived. but the vast majority of them are Gog and Magog.

So now, the deceiver's gone, the final catastrophe of the horde of people drinking every lake dry, they're gone, the earth is clean, and it's at peace. Which finally lets us circle back to the guy that our story started with. What happens to Jesus now? Well, he's ruling the world, which is now at peace. And it's kind of described as like the golden age. And during this period, the Hadith describes a few specific acts, really big, symbolic ones. And once again, you have to handle these carefully

because this is a spot where even, like, the most thoughtful Muslim scholars themselves are really cautious. So keep that in mind. To start, a lot of widely repeated hadiths say that Issa sticks around on Earth for about 40 years before he dies. But the truth is, that's not some fixed,

like locked in figure across every report. Different chains will give you different timelines. So treat 40 years as a popular round number. And then there's two acts. that gets singled out, and they are super fascinating. First, Issa is said to break the cross, which is traditionally read as him personally rejecting the whole Christian claim that he was crucified

and that he is God. Second, he said to abolish the jizia. That is a tax that was historically levied on non-Muslims living under Muslim rule. And the classical reading is that in Issa's time, there's simply nobody left to tax because his return settles the truth. So no more room for doubt or for questions.

Everybody on earth is on the same page. All people that are living on earth are Muslim. But, and here's a caveat, a lot of modern scholars read breaking the cross and abolishing the Jizia symbolically or within the specific historical moment that those reports first came out. Not as like a literal physical,

like exactly beat by beat, this is exactly what's going to happen, prediction of things that will occur. And honestly, the same tension runs through the Gog and Magog stuff too. Some contemporary voices read, chunks of that more allegorically as well. Though, to be fair in the other direction, plenty of mainstream classical scholarship pushes back on that claim. So scholars like Yasser Kadi,

a really well-known contemporary voice in Islam, he generally insists that these are literal future beings and events, not metaphors, not symbols. These are real parasites and a real horde of people and a real Issa that comes down to kill a real Dajal. And here's the disclaimer that I've been kind of making through the whole episode that I want to make again. Not every detail in this story carries the same weight or the same confidence. Some of it is rock solid near universal belief across Islam, yet some of it is one report amongst several different reports, and it's still getting talked about 15 centuries later. And saying that doesn't weaken the story. It's just a true, respectful, and representative of all the different beliefs across Islamic traditions. Like any religion,

Islam is not one single thing with one way to be. And honestly, the same thing is true across, you know, Christian denominations, right? Especially including end times for the record. You know, some people in Christianity are like, oh, we all get raptured. Other people are like, it's a period of peace before Jesus. Some people say it's a period of peace after. There's discrepancies, which leaves one last thing to say about Issa, because once again, his story still isn't finished.

But it is about to be. Now, in Christian scripture, the returned Christ, reigns forever. Death is behind him. He is resurrected. Christ basically rules for the rest of time. But in Islam... At Desjardin Insurance, we know that when you own a nail salon,

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ESA eventually dies. And in this tradition, it is a natural death, a normal human death, just like everybody else must have. And here's the thing. The ending isn't some afterthought. it is a really important point in Islam because it's Islamic theology insisting once again that Issa is fully and completely human and only human. An honored prophet, very important, but again, not God. So his natural death at the end of the story once again just drives that point home.

Now before we wrap up, there's another important detail, and I just want to flag it as one of like the shakier links in this entire chain. Some later Islamic traditions hold that Issa is buried or will be buried in my life. Medina near the prophet Muhammad. There's even said to be a spot reserved for him. It's a widely repeated belief, but again, it's not grounded firmly in the Quran. And it's honestly one of the more debated less certain claims in this entire story, but I thought it would be interesting to bring up. So the one prophet God sent back to earth is also the one prophet Islam is very, very specific to tell about his death. Issa doesn't come back to become eternal or to become God. He comes back,

to finish being human. So I'd bet that many of you had no idea that Jesus played any role in the apocalypse in Islam, let alone being like a starring role, unless, of course, you've listened to this channel before or you have read up about, you know, Muslim eschatology or you were raised Muslim. It's a fascinating detail.

And it's not just like, you know, a footnote. It's not like Jesus is like one of the characters. He is the one who comes down who the whole thing centers on. And think about how significant that is for a second. And two of the biggest religions that the world has ever produced disagree about who Jesus is at the deepest level that disagreement can go, right? One says he is God. The other say that calling him God is perhaps the biggest sin you can make and he was just a great prophet. Those differences are irreconcilable, right?

Yet, separately, across 14th centuries, both of them looked ahead at the end of everything to the final battle, the last darkness. And in the middle of it, both of them see him. Jesus Christ, the son of Mary. So while the two traditions disagree fundamentally, I don't dispute that, and they disagree who Issa is, how it all goes down, and which details are literal and which are symbolic. But if you set that aside for a second, it's interesting that underneath all the disagreements, both of these apocalypses are leading to the same thing. That after all of that, after the deceivers and the Antichrist, the Dajal melting like salt,

Gog and Magog swar swar swarming over the hills, the parasites, the plagues, the despair, all of that, the world coming apart, after everything, there will be peace. A world made quiet again, where everyone is in harmony, made whole, made perfect. And in both stories, Jesus is central to that peace. And of course, according to the role that Christians have always given him, and now the one that you know Islam gives him too, that is massive and really interesting to me, right? Yeah, two faiths that can't agree on exactly who he is, but yet both are trusting the same face to carry the world out of its darkest hour and into the peace on the other side.

Both sides are promising that the apocalypse isn't the end of the story and that Jesus will be integral to finishing the job. Now that, ladies and gentlemen, is a brief overview of the story of the Muslim end time, specifically the role that Issa plays in all of it. Crazy. Issa bin Miriam, Jesus Christ himself. Like, if you had to take a sample, Rafni, could you do me a favor? Could you Google how many Muslims are in the world and how many Christians are in the world?

I mean, it's got to be like most of the world. Or like how many Catholic Christians, right? Because like Christianity is probably like, I'm going to guess 1.5. Islam's another like 1.5. What do you think? So Christians represent the largest. Whoa. So 29% of the world's population, 2.5.

Now, what about Islam? Things down there, right? Muslims are the second fastest growing, 1.9 billion. So 29% plus 25%, 44%. That's like just about half. Dang near, you know what I'm saying? That's about half. So if you ask half of the world,

who's going to be there at the end of times, at the end of the apocalypse that's going to save everyone, half the people on the world is going to be like, oh, Jesus. That's an insane run, generational. run. Now again, I'm not saying every religion is saying the same thing. I'm not saying everybody agrees. I'm just saying the fact that you can just be like, yo, who's the guy that's going to save humanity and everyone, half the people? One and two are going to be like, yo, Jesus Christo. That's kind of fire, dude. If you think about it, like, you read about Islam, you read about

the Quran, all of a sudden you get real proud of being Christian. You're like, dude, our guy did that? That's fire. Think about that. And then the Jews are probably a little bit excited because he was born Jewish, you know what I mean? So the Jews are like, yeah, well, he's the kind of our guy. You know what I mean? We actually made him, you know? That's fire, dude. Think about that.

Like, even if you're a atheist or agnostic, to think about the impact. Let's say you just think that Jesus was a historical person. You don't think that he was divine at all. You don't think he was a prophet. You don't think he was God. You just think he was a guy with some ideas, right? If that's your camp,

the most influential human being to ever live. Yeah. I mean, not even close. And then there's Michael Jackson. It's like, Jesus, all the way down here at Michael Jackson and then go another 100 feet down me. Think about that, right?

Like the level of just influence of a dude. Shout out to him, bro. Like, I believe he's God. You know, I believe Christ's King, you know what I'm saying? But if you don't believe that, you just got to give it up to Jesus one time just be like, yo, he really did that. He snapped like crazy.

I don't know. What do you guys think? Is there anything that I missed if you grew up Muslim, if you're a Muslim scholar? If there's anything that I said incorrectly or just completely overlooked, please educate me in the comments. Just be civil. Try to be kind about it. I'm really doing my best here. So let me know. If you are a Christian or grew up in some other type of faith tradition, maybe you're Hindu or Jewish, what did you think about

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