Camp Gagnon - Zimbabwe’s #1 Artist on Afro House Talks World Tours and Life At Music Festivals | NITEFREAK

Episode Date: June 22, 2024

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Everyone thought I was being racist when I said, oh, that's like a clicking language. And everyone was like, yo, you can't say that. It does have clicks, bro, but I don't think that would be wise to describe it like that. That must be one of the tougher languages to learn, because it's a whole different sound that we don't even have in English. Yeah. You're speaking regularly, but there's a sound kind of in your throat that makes it have like that specific intonation. No, it's your tongue? Oh, let me try it one more time.

Kuma, cut. Kuma. Kuma. Kuma. bro you go break something chill yeah yeah I felt like go love me go break something baggie my bro what's up man I'm good thank you so much I really appreciate you coming through I'm joined today by Night Freak more more colloquially known as baggie yeah who's my favorite DJ you are genuinely my my favorite DJ right now and not

only my favorite DJ there's obviously millions of other people out there that I think you're their favorite producer right now because like I've been You told me before, the biggest recording artists out of Zimbabwe right now, the biggest artist, the biggest musician, the most streams out of Zimbabwe. That's more accurate. No, no, no, no. We got to gas it up. We got to gas it up. All right, all right.

Thank you so much, man. The most famous man from Zimbabwe ever. Oof. Getting there. Getting there. Yeah. I'm going to take that one. I mean, at this point, you're pretty, you're pretty Zimbabwe famous.

You walk around your hometown, people would be like, oh, that's, that's night freak. Not yet. Really? Not yet. But it's getting there. Bro, you know, like, it's funny. Someone might notice me, like, here and, like, in our circles or, like, when I go to Lebanon, like, yeah. But I don't know.

Big home, bro. Yeah. Big home, bro. I'm still like, I can do whatever I want, bro, but if you don't know. But you're just chilling with people. Like, ah, yeah. And what's the town you were up in again? Boloio.

Boloio. Yeah. It's the second largest city in Subaba. Oh, when you say in my Bulawa. Bulawayo. Bulaway. Bulaway. Hell yeah.

And that's, that's the, not the Harare is the biggest city, but that's the, but it's still a big, a big place where you grew up. It is, it is, to an extent. Yeah, and you still live there? Yeah, I still live there. That's awesome. I still live there, bro. Like, I was surprised when I asked you, I was like, yes, where are you based at? You're in Brooklyn, you're in, you know, London.

I'm still, I'm still, I'm still, I'm still, because I'm still trying to grow into all this. this. This is my second year actually touring, of which everything is happening at neck breaking speeds, bro. Like, you know, everything is happening so fast. And moving was

not yet something that I considered yet, up until I reach a certain level of financial stability. Yeah, but you're spending a lot of time on the road touring. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Which is pretty wild. You said there's only your second year touring? Yeah, it's my second year tour. But you've been making music and

in DJing for a long time. Yeah, for the last time. I think now it's 12, 13 years. 12, 13 years. I mean, that's, and this has all been in Zim pretty much. Yeah. And then the last two years, all of a sudden, pf, yeah, breaks out into

the whole world. Everyone gets to see what you got. That's pretty wild, bro. Hey, what's up, guys? Sorry to interrupt this amazing program, but I need a little bit of help. If you're watching this on YouTube, you can probably see our subscriber number right down here. And if you're able to, it would mean the world

if you could subscribe. That is the best way to support this show. show because when you subscribe, I'm able to show it to potential guests or to different brands and stuff like that. And it really, really helps grow the show, get us cooler guests, have cooler conversations, and it helps everything so, so much. So if you don't mind, thank you so much. Let's get back to it. What was like the record of the track that kind of blew it all up? It was a song called Ghost. Yeah, put that on out in 2016, 17, I think. Yeah, 17. And you are, I think you had said, you were like the second wave.

of this kind of niche genre called, like, I guess, Afro House, which is amazing. Yeah. My favorite. I love it. Like, I just like, I find it. I actually found you through Blondish. Oh, yeah, I did a remix of Citi. Yeah.

So we know Viv. We met her actually at Burning Man for the first time. Oh, nice. And she's just awesome. She's like the coolest. And I love that track. And then I was listening to all the remixes and I was like, who is this one? This one is crazy.

And then I started looking you up and I just like I fell in love with all the all the music. It's just like such a cool mix. And I feel like you're collaborating with different like vocalists and artists that still represents something that's really interesting, really like purely African. Like it feels like really authentic when you listen to it. Correct. It's really, really cool. Correct. I'm trying to stay that path.

Yeah. I'm not trying to deviate at all, man. For me, I feel like as much as I call it Afroha. it has a bit of EDM in it. Mm-hmm. Because I'm a big E-D-M fan, bro. From like, yo, Afrojigs and stuff like that. So that's what I was listening to baking 2010.

So now with the South African influence of black coffee and the other producers that came from there, it was just kind of like a mesh of what I liked, EDM and my heritage, Africa. That's why you get the heavy drums on most of the soft. songs, then you get the EDM-like melodies. So I feel like guys out here are tapping into the EDM-type melodies and everyone back home is associated with the groove. That's why you get like... Oh, that's interesting.

That's an interesting perspective. Because I never wanted to make, because I noticed a lot of artists that came out here from Africa, they change their sound when they come here, like to do, so that people understand them more. So I didn't want to do that. I wanted people back home to understand my music at the same time. decide to understand my music. And do both at the same time. Yeah, without me saying,

okay, I'm now producing for this line of people because now I'm gigging in America. No, bro. I need to play the same stuff that I'll play here and back home. That's awesome. And keep it authentic. Yeah. To who you truly are. That is, I feel, like, the most important thing. Yeah, that thing of, like, artist changing

is really frustrating, I guess. Yeah, because the reason, I feel like, why change when that music brought you here? Yeah. Why should I sound like everybody else? here bro like then what's my selling point yeah no that makes sense i mean that's that's why you appeal to me because i was like this sound is so different it's so unique and like there's something like raw about it like i'll be in the gym you've gotten me stronger bro that's where i got bro when i used to

listen to this other other bullshit you know what i mean i could only lift like you know a couple pounds but i turn on night freak that's my that's my spinach pumped up that's my spinach that shit legit i tell people this all the time it like i genuinely think it like gets my brain it makes me work harder. Like it's it feels like like I don't know like primal like I feel like this is like where we came from dude I don't know this shit it connects with me my point exactly that's what I'm trying to make everybody feel without me you know following the trends and how everybody else is trying to sound so yeah of course it comes with with a bit of pushback to people that are not really acquainted to what I'm making and they have this one um normal type of how

that they know is tech maybe or a dip house. You know, so you get a lot of labels, be like, what's this, is this, you know? And how would you characterize your sound? Or like, how would you characterize Afro House as a genre? Like, if someone does never heard of it and they don't know anything about it, what is it? For me, right now, I'd say it's where Africa meets the world.

Hmm. Because the melodies and everything, bro, I could say for some of the artists or most of the artists that I kind of like to play, you can sense that there's an EDIM background in how everything is structured and how everything is made. But when it comes to the drums, bro, like, that's where you see, okay, this is, this groove is definitely African. Because in Africa, the drum is the most dominant instrument ever, bro. And really, I don't understand why someone would say Afrohous without mentioning any drums or snails.

as compared to claps and your conventional old school rock drums that people use in their take house and stuff. That's interesting. And are some of like the drum grooves that you're kind of like sampling are getting inspired by, are they from traditional like African music that you listen to growing up or Zim music that you listen to as a kid? Most of the drums I'll say they kind of, West Africa I feel like it's the most array of drums and has a lot of variety to the drum collection,

like the congas, the jambis, the darabukas, they have a lot of, like, down south. Yeah, we have a few, but they're not as diverse as those. So I'll say West African drums may be, you know, like the best. Oh, interesting. And when you're listening to types of like Felakuti and stuff like that or the, you know, Ivorian drums, Amazing, bro.

Yeah. Amazing. And what is the dance or like EDM or rave scene like in, you know, southern Africa or Zimbabwe? It used to be big, bro. I mean, like... It used to be bigger. It used to be then. I feel like when EDM kind of commercialized and it died down, that's where everything just went.

Oh, really? Yeah. It used to be big, bro. Everybody knew who Avich was. And this is like 2010. Yeah. All throughout Zim. Oh, okay.

So 2010, that's basically when EDM is still cropping in. And people knew about EDM a lot, like Swedish House Mafia era, Avici, when everything was now on radio and it was basically turning into pop. Right. But before that, when these guys were still underground and when we were still listening to it back in 2010, now, no, it wasn't that big. Interesting. It only got big when it was kind of commercialized. And then now the scene in Zim is coming up. It's like growing again?

Afrohas, yes. And is it kind of underground? Or is that, is it predominant? It's, it's right there beneath Amabiano in terms of being commercialized and being popular because bro, like we used to do deep house parties or house parties. And we wouldn't get that much of a turnout as compared to now.

Right? Like when I started DJing house music, it was like small parties, like underground groups. You couldn't fill a club with people that are basically there. to listen to house. It had to be a mixture of people from that like R&B, hip-hop,

house music, you know, and KOM, which was like a type of music that came from Durban, South Africa. And what is it called? KOM. What was that thing you just did? That's...

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's cool. So it's KOM. So... Is that DeBelé, the language? I think it's Zulu. That Zulu. Yeah.

It's from like Derby. is Zulu people. And so say it again? Com. Com. Com. Come. Yeah.

Okay, I got close. Yeah. So you get like a mix of people all day for different stuff. Then you get like the Zim Denzel that I was telling you about. That's like from Harare. And that was the people that you couldn't single them out and say, okay, we just want house people. Like what we like what the clubs do here where they say like Thursday, simply after house night. Nothing else.

right you couldn't do that you wouldn't sell properly but now we have gigs or events that solemnly do that and you get a good turn out of people and what was like growing up in Zem

did you like it uh bro yeah I'm not from I'm not gonna lie to you and say oh yeah bro I came from the slums and my nah bro

I'm from a good family like I say bro my mom was a teacher, my dad was a lecturer, and they were doing fairly good, bro. We're a Michael Class family. But your dad was a music teacher. He still is, sorry. That's awesome.

You know he's watching this, he's like, I'm going to slap you if you say I'm retired. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So we're good, bro. Like, we're good. I can complain. And the neighborhood was a pretty chill neighborhood. Yeah, yeah. Let's see.

In Tumbaini. that's one of the the neighbors that are growing then Barbara Fields where still stay now chilled in Tumano was bit like the trenches bro like the hood like

Did you know people over there? A lot of friends there Oh really Still do until now And what's the hood like over there? I don't know I've never been to any hood here So I don't know what I can compare to

But it's not that dangerous So like you can get mugged Or killed Nah Is it just poverty or is it like drugs and stuff too? Bro, like drugs, it really doesn't matter way it is, like, it can be uptown,

like drugs are prevalent everywhere. Oh, really? Yeah, so it's chilled, bro. Like, it's chilled, it's safe. I wouldn't worry much if I say, bro, let's go to the hood and be like, yo, we've got to, nah, nah, bro, just chill, bro. It's chill. Interesting.

So it's just people that don't have a lot of means. They just don't have a lot of money. Yeah, yeah, yeah. here that are on the other side of that on a sudden ticks bracket interesting that makes sense okay i have some some zim stereotypes i need to ask you all right all right and i need you to tell me if these are true okay so apparently zimbabwe and policemen get paid through bribes not wages is that true it used to be like that i don't know now oh really it used to bro corruption is like everywhere bro like it's in every country bro but but someplace is that

more prevalent. Like, I was in Honduras, you got pulled over by police, you just give them 20 bucks, you're good. That doesn't really work in the United States as much like that. It depends on the crime. Exactly. The corruption is different. The corruption is different here. It's just high-techs bracket. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So that's what I'm saying. It depends on the country or the economy as well. You know, like, the reason why you'll be able to do that in Honduras is because not many people are earning. Right. Right. That's why you can get away with paying 20. Here, I can't give a police officer or 20 because it's probably earning 20 times that. But you give him...

But you give him a chunk load. Don't forget about it. So corruption is everywhere, bro. It's just a different text bracket. But yeah, of course. Did that ever happen? Did you ever get pulled over by police and have to be like, yo, that's...

Of course. Really? How often? Nah, not that often. But do they give you a hard time? Like, are they trying to... No, like it's... It's like a matter of, like, if you do not know your rights

or you do not know how to stand up for your soul, bro, you'll pay bribes everywhere. Oh, really? Understand? So at that point in time when that happened, bro, I was definitely in the wrong. It was either that or a different consequence. So I was like, bro, what's 20 bucks? But what did you do?

You were like driving crazy or something? You got pulled over? No, not driving crazy. I think it was, I had thrown an event without notifying the police. So the neighbors around in the area were complaining like, noise, noise. Then police came through. They're like, oh, you're throwing a party. did you get a police clearance and no I didn't I was like okay they're like okay so can you shut down

the party you need to go to the police station's like police station bro nah we ain't doing that like have a good night does it and they were cool with it yeah what do you mean they're cool with it bro that's that's what it is it's what it is bro that's how this system works that's how everything works in this world that we're living it's either you take the high road or you take the shoker yeah it's up to you bro i could have gone to the police station but I was like, for what? I'm probably going to pay a fine there. Yeah, it's going to be a fine either way.

So you might as well just not go. Why not just give you to them? Yeah. No, I mean, I get it. If I go to Zimbabwe, I'm going to go to your wedding whenever that happens. Of course, of course. I'm paying. In a year's time, hopefully.

Oh, really? In a year's time or two years' time. Yeah. Are you engaged or is this like? No, no. I'm planning to. I mean, that's awesome. If she stays true, bro, if she stays true and understands the vision, what you're trying to achieve.

Yeah, cool. I mean, that's awesome. Yeah, man. Are there wedding customs? You're going to do with your wedding? They're going to be, that are unique or different than... I'm just doing that for family, bro. But if it was up to me, right?

What would be? Yeah, bro. Just go to the girl's house and, you know, introduce yourself. If they want that, it's fine, bro. It's fine, just to keep customs. But it's up to me, real. Just move in together, get married. That's it.

But do you want a big wedding? No, no, I don't want a big wedding. Really? I figured you want like a party like you throw events all the time like you're DJing at big shows bro do you know what I do when I'm not DJing when I'm home bro like I'm one of the most boring

guys right now because I feel like I partied so much it got boring and tiring I did so much and I've experienced a lot so now bro I just prefer to be at home watch my documentaries Netflix bit of gaming I thought you said beat off and then gaming I was like, bro.

A bit of KMD. No, I agree with you the first time. The second time, like, all right. Okay, I have another Zimbabwean stereotype. Zimbabwean's hack locked iPhones? What is that? Oh, I don't think they really do, bro, because it's like they jailbreak. It's called jailbreaking.

Yeah, yeah. That's a Chinese thing, bro. We found that thing on YouTube, bro. They're just pinning it on us. But that thing was like done by Indians and Chinese that are like tech savvy. All right. So you're blaming them. Br, that's not on us, bro.

That's not an ass. But yeah, it does happen. It does happen. Zimbabweens like to drink. Is that? We drink. From my travels around the world, now we can't take that one. There are people that drink, bro.

Like, we would drink substance. Who drinks the most? From where I've been. Yeah. With all love. With all love. With all love. No, hey, bro, I had a good time in Kenya, bro.

Oh, the Kenyan's drink in Nairobi? I saw a beer that was like 9%. Oh, really? 9% beer? Yeah, bro. It was them, the highest we go in terms of beers like 5.5. Oh, really? Yeah, so in Kenya and Kenya, we had a good time, bro.

I enjoy myself. Yeah. Yeah, I got drunk, so I missed a flight, yeah. Oh, that's tough. King is, you need to go to Kenya, bro. Where in Kenya, Nairobi? Nairobi, or else where? Nairobi, I've been to Nairobi only, but, bro, that place is.

I've heard it's like a beautiful city. It is for me. I don't know other people, bro. Like, for me, it is. It is. I've never been, though, to the other side of town. I always go to the nice side of Kenya. Yeah, yeah.

But, bro, like, Kenyans are super nice people, like, chill people welcoming. I think my fastest growing community of people that follow me was Kenyans and a bit of South Africans. Oh, really? Yeah. So, like, in Kenya, Kenya, like, my first ever gig outside of Zim was in Nairobi. My first ever gig. Oh, that's cool. Like, been to Kenya three times now.

The last time I was there with Diplo. But Kenya, yeah, yeah. How was it in Kenya with Diplow? Ooh, man. It was a fast gig. That's what I can say because I got there on a Friday, left on a Sunday. I really didn't speak much with Diplo because I had an early flight in the late set. But it was nice, bro.

It was nice. The people were amazing. Everything was just proper, bro. He's been showing you a lot of love. Real much love to him as well. Yeah. Much love to him as well. Yeah, man.

He's been really supportive, bro. He's been really, really supportive. And I feel like some of the mileage that we have gained, you know, I can say thank you to him. Because, you know, like I said before this interview, like my sound was kind of weird to people. it wasn't like your normal Afrohouse or your normal tech or whatever EDM. So other labels were so skeptical to sign my stuff, right? Because we're trying to push everything under our own labels, trying to work with other people to grow. Right.

So labels went really sure about signing the music. So when you sent some of the demos to Diplo, it was like, okay, this works, this doesn't. And most of the times the songs he picked did well. Yeah, I mean, I think you were even telling me the track Gora. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It was never supposed to come out. Nobody wanted to sign it, bro. Like, we as a label could have put it out ourselves,

but I don't feel like it would have done good ground as much as giving it to a bigger label. So when we're shipping it out to all these other labels that we felt like it would fit in, people were like, no. Then I send it to Diplo like on Instagram. Like, yo, bro, I got this. what do you think. I was like, okay, let's do it.

Then came out. You sent it to him just, did you know him before? Yeah. So you knew him before you sent it to him? Yeah, that was like the follow-up song to Camilly. Because Camille is on. That was right. So I knew him from that period in time.

Oh, wow. Yeah. So now we're just trying to have a follow-up track for Camille. What's up, guys? We're going to take a break really quick because it's 2024. And it's time to talk about something important. When you are seriously hurt, your injury could be worth millions. Yes, that's right. The world is a crazy place, and one person's negligence can result in another's settlement.

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after the short disclaimer. I mean, that's like pretty impressive that this track that no one else wanted to sign all of a sudden goes out and it's 7 million streams, basically. Yeah, also. Big shout out to kind music for actually playing it. Yeah, because like I sent it, I don't know, I did a mix for Insomniac.

Then they heard it from that mix and then they're like, yo, we heard your song. Can you send it to us? Then by that time, bro, I was just like, okay. It's like no one likes it. So no harm. Yeah, fuck it. To them, bro.

Bro, did it not blow up? Wow. It went crazy, bro. Then now people before the other videos are. like, yo, we're trying to push out this song. Like, nah, no, no. I'm like, oh, okay. And I sent it to Diplo, it was like, yeah, we'll take it.

Let's go. Let's go. Wow. I mean, that's pretty cool. That's pretty cool. So even before it got signed, it got played through kind of music. Yeah. Wow.

Yeah, yeah. That's really cool. Yeah, that little ecosystem of like how DJs kind of like show love to each other is interesting. I feel like, bro, we like you to have people that are not, like, kind of selfish with their spotlights, you know, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, feel like they're giving us the platform to actually showcase what we're making, in our bedrooms, in our small, tiny studios, bro, and putting it in front of such a big audience, it's changing lives, bro. I don't want to lie to you how many lives have been changed by, uh, kind music playing a song from someone, bro. Like, people have, Israel built careers of those guy, three guys playing music. Wow. Right, and we're by, oh, your song was playing by kind music. Oh, yeah, it was.

Then if you're fortunate and you have a follow-up song, bro, boom, it's up to you whether you chase the hype and grow from it or just be a one-hit wonder. It's up to you. But, bro, those guys have literally changed lives and shaped how, after our songs right now. Wow, that's really cool. Yeah, and they're three German guys. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And they have, like, really done a really good job of, like, curating a sound and creating a sound

and creating a sound that I think kind of like you were saying like kind of does an interesting crossover and blend of like Afro house but it still has an EDM influence and as a result a lot of people are familiar with it it's like breaking into

it's like very very popular sound in America specifically It's easy to like and it's it's got a piece of everything it's got a piece of tech it's got a piece of progressiveness it's got a piece of Africa

it's got vocals from all corners of the world bro like you have your Arabic vocals you have your friends your Ruba Nigerians you have your Zulus you have your vendors like so many Lingala so many diverse languages coming from that type of music I want to ask you about Zulu yeah because Zulu is a South African language yes sir do you also speak Zulu I speak um Devele which is similar to Zulu Right, okay

Now everyone thought I was A few words are different In Zulu and David Everyone thought I was being crazy And being racist when I said Oh, that's like a clicking language And everyone was like, yo, you can't say that But it is

It does have clicks bro But I don't think I don't think that would be wise To describe it like that What is a better way to describe it? Like if someone was like Oh what kind of language is Zulu And I'm like oh well

It's awesome because there's You can basically say it's an African language that comes from South Africa. But what makes it the most unique, interesting language? It's like asking someone what makes French unique. Oh my God because it's... Because it's got to...

It sounds wine. No, that's Arabic. That's Arabic. That's Arabic. What's French? What makes French unique is that it sounds whiny. Okay, okay. I mean, Kevacrois, specifically. Kevacrois, French, specifically. It's like, you know,

the Canadians aren't going to be mad about that but I don't know I think the culture is really interesting I saw a video with Trevor Noah obviously South African-A Oh amazing man And he's saying a song in Zulu And

Did it even with like the intonations Of I don't want to say the click Because now you're making me feel crazy But that sound Go ahead bro you're already stamped into that Bro you already stamped into that I don't know what it is bro

Begay I don't know what it is I'm trying to learn, okay? I get you. But, like, are you able to use a sentence that maybe would, like, incorporate some of those sounds? How much. Ketu, Ketu, Ketu. And what does that mean? O Ketu is weed.

Is weed? Weeds, like, you're, you're... Not, weeds, weeds, weeds. Like, bro, you need to stop associating. Because the word weed did not come from there, bro. Weed? No, real, like, yeah, it's a weed that grows out of the ground. Okay.

Right, yeah, so, wheat. Oh, really? Cut, uma, cut, cut, upetu, weeds. Okay, let me try it one more time. Kuma, cut. Kuma, kuma. Kuma. Ha, bro.

You go break something, chill. Chill, bro. You'll break something, chill, bro. It is a, you can. It's a fascinating language. That must be one of the tougher languages to learn, because it's a whole different sound that we don't even have in English. Yeah.

It's very useful. unique. It is. To an extent, it is. I also think it's good to break a stereotype. Now that we're talking about like Southern African stereotypes, there's a stereotype in America, it's like, oh, those are people that speak with clicks. And it's like, no, people don't speak in clicks. There are, like, a vocal intonation that sounds like a click that's included in the words. Yeah. And I think a lot of people don't know that. So even just the way that you just described it, like, oh, yeah, it's just, you're speaking regularly, but there's a sound, you know, kind of in your throat that makes it have like that specific intonation. No, it's your tongue? It's the tongue? No way, dude. Oh, okay, let me try it again. Let me try again. Okay, hold on, say it again.

But say a word. Omutletleto. Fuck. It's a tongue. Nothing is happening. You can't do it either, Oscar. Why are you looking at me like it's crazy? Yeah, so like it's all happening.

It's the tongue, bro. Nothing is happening in your throat. There you go. Oh, that's what it is? Yeah. There you go. It's all happening in your tongue, bro. One more.

Yeah. One more night too. Yeah. You got it. I'm doing it. Yeah, don't, like, I know this way you got it wrong. You're thinking that this is coming from your throat. It's not.

It all happens in the tongue. Oh, wow. And are there any songs with Debelay or Zulu where you can actually hear that sound? Ah, let me see. I think you need to check out, there's a song by a girl called Doshi. It's an old song, Oiyang Kenteza.

I think you'll probably hear those. and some songs from Black Motion. Yeah, they should have vocalists that use Zulu. Text me that, I'm going to put it in the description. That's very interesting. So Black Motion and the lady called Doshi. Doshi. Yeah.

Oh, that's really cool. Yeah. She should give you proper, proper, like incantations like that. Yeah. Now, I was even noticing on some of the tracks, like you have different types of vocalists doing different types of music. So, like, you might have, you know, Nigerian guys. You might have, like, Sudanese guys.

and the language changes the song. It's very interesting how even just in hearing how the language sounds changing the music. And for me as an American, I don't know anything really about any different type of African dialect or language. You know what I mean? Whether it's Nigerian, Kenyan, Zimbabwe.

But I'm curious for you, are there certain dialects that you feel like fit better with the music that you're making? Or do you just hear a vocal sample and think like, oh, I can make a track around that? Or do you bring the track to the vocalist and say like, hey, put a vocal on this.

Like, how does that process work? So with the remixes, it's usually I hear the vocals in a song and then ask for the vocals alone. Then I listen to the vocals and be like, then I take a part of the vocal that I feel like is the most exciting to hear, right? Then I build around that. Yeah. That's interesting.

And does the... For Gura, it was actually the other way around. They told me Francis found Emmanuel Gail and he was like what in Manuel Jal and I was like I listened to some of his music from other songs and I made a beat that I thought would work

and we were even talking about him before Emmanuel has an insane life he's like an actor he's a singer musician and wrote a book in 2009 about his experience as a child soldier I mean that is crazy like his whole story

is just wild did you did you get funny story you know like when he gave me the book when I was in Kenya. So Emmanuel Jal now is learning how to DJ, right?

Because he wants to incorporate that in his sits. So I went to one of his shows just to support because he was playing on Friday and we were playing on Saturday. So I went to one of his shows and then he's like in the morning like, bro, I was shaking to DJ. I can't believe these hands were shaking

after firing in AK-40s ago my life. I'm like, bro, how are going to make jokes about that? I was like, okay. Like, bro, he's so, he's so open about it, bro. Like, he's just like how, bro, I couldn't believe my hand was shaking. I mean, that's hilarious. He's more nervous. He's more nervous to DJ than to go into war as a kid.

Right? I was like, bro, like, how is this a joke? But anyway, ha-ha. I mean, that's wild. Yeah, but to me, I was like, man, like, how much trauma or how much do you have to rebuild yourself to actually forget about going through that, but much respect to him. It's unbelievable. I don't even know if you ever forget it.

I think you just kind of learn to cope. Yeah, like much respect to him, bro. Like where he's that now? And where he was from? Nah, it's like a proper... It's insane story. It deserves a book. Yeah, right?

Yeah, exactly. I really want to read the book. I think that'd be really interesting. And then it must have been... I'll get you a copy. I appreciate that. Thank you. It must have been cool for you guys to do the track together.

Like, to do the vocals. He just sends you the vocal. and you're like, oh, boom, perfect. No. Right, did you guys get together? Francis told me about him, right? And I heard some of his songs prior and I liked them. And I was like, yo, I need to work with this guy.

Then Francis found him. And when they did find him, I didn't have a beat for him. So I had to make the beat overnight. Like we spoke on the phone. I was like, yo, we need to work on something. I was like, cool. Worked on the beat. I was like, fingers crossed, I hope he likes it.

And boom, it was like, okay, we like this. We'll do it. It's like, oh, great. Oh, that's awesome. That's awesome. Now he didn't like, then he just described what the song means, the lyrics and stuff. Like, okay, cool, cool. I probably got some of it.

I was like, cool lyrics, though. Like, it's got like a deep meaning. Yeah, yeah, but I didn't know that when I made the song. I didn't know that. I didn't know that. I was like, okay, this rhymes. This is a vibe. Let's go with this.

I mean, that's so funny. I have another Zimbabwe's stereotype. I mean, this one seems crazy. So you can tell me, this is crazy. Okay. Small penises. I don't know.

I've never too time to say, let me see. Nah. So, it could be true. I don't know. Second one, Zimbabweans come to your land to pillage your bread

and take it across the border. What is that, bro? That just seems like medieval time stereotype. I think it's coming from the high migration of Zimbabwe's like all over the world. Oh, really? I don't think they pillage, bro.

No one's pillaged since the Vikings. It's been a long time to have been pillaging. Pillage is a strong word, I guess. They just travel to other places, bro, just to have better lives, bro. Just like every foreign, international in other countries, bro. So like they want to be in those countries. We would want to be home as well, but... You got to get after it, find your opportunity.

I mean, I'm here pillaging, bro. That's fine. You got to tell people that, you're all pillaging tonight at this club. Yeah, bro. Pillage did gospel over the weekend, bro. That's what I'm saying, bro. You got to get the money somehow.

Sold out. How was it? Crazy, bro. You know, I only found out that, like, it was a peg show after the show. I couldn't, like, I could only see, like, ten people in front of me, like,

and it was black, like, and it was black. Then I woke out, and I'm like, bro, we couldn't get in. I was like, oh, trans, really? That's awesome.

And gospel's a cool spot. Oh, yeah, it's amazing. Amazing. The first time I came to New York in August, I went there, just to check out the space, but it wasn't that pegged. But it was nice. The vibe there. Like, that's similar vibe like this, bro. Like, now that you mention it, yeah, you know.

Inspired. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Really? Was it? I mean, not actually, but when I went in there, I was like, wait a second. Yeah, bro, like, it looks like this. Well, the thing is I actually kind of build this after Burning Man. So I went in Bernie Man in 2021.

Did you go in like it rained? No, no. Oh, lucky you. No, I went in 22. And then I didn't go last year when it rained. I got very lucky. But it was after that that I was like, oh, yeah, this is, I like, I like the vibe. Like, I already liked this stuff, but then I saw people doing art pieces there, and I was like, oh, let's do it.

And then the people from gospel are also big burners. So I think there's a crossover. And you're going for the first time. This year, yeah. To network. I'm not a fan of burning, man. Why not? Like I said, bro, I like your things, bro.

Like, even festivals, bro, like, I don't, I don't. I just like to go into a place, play in leave. Yeah, like, now you're asking me to spend a week? In the desert? Bra. In the sand? Bro. In an RV.

You're going to love it, bro. Bro. Yeah, but I know if you're there. I know if you're there, because you're already shades, you know. You're going to love it. Yeah, yeah, I know, I know. I'm looking forward to it. Like, I spoke with some of the people there, like, okay.

It's also going to be, I think it will be big for you. Yeah. Like, like, I told you, like, the first time we. We found it about Viv, or Blondish, was at a... So, yeah, I spoke with one of the guys that organized the event, they really did a good job pitching it this time. Like, yo, bro, like, we've had so-and-so here. You're going to enjoy it.

We're going to make sure that you're comfortable. When you say comfortable, like, okay, now you're talking. I can make time. It'll be cool, for real, bro. I think you'll enjoy it. Do you coming through this year? I mean, I might have to. I might have to.

I don't know. There's a lot of white people, though, so maybe not. No comment, bro I can say shit about that I can't say nothing about that We're gonna go We're gonna go together And we're both to be comfortable, okay?

That's basically Oh, this one, I've never This stereotype seems crazy Robert Mugabe Who's that? The ex-president Oh Okay, so this says

This is an untrue stereotype But there's a stereotype The Zababweans love Robert Mugabe but that's like any politician some people like them some people don't yeah i feel like um it's always a mixed feelings bro but i feel like if you live in zimbabwe and like everyone will have their own view of how they they see the ex-president but that's in all the politics yeah but it's not like the whole country's like obsessed with this guy it's like like anything it's split yeah yeah that makes sense what's up guys we're going to take a break really quick

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and kind of like a minority group, even within the country, and kind of how those things interplay? So, like I said, I'm from Buluwe, right? Bulaway. Because people are going to get me for saying Buluweo. It's like, yo, bro, you've moved. So in America, you're now pronouncing words differently. Sorry, guys.

Sorry, guys. Wulawayo. So I'm from Bulawayo. You know, Dhabeli people there, Harari, Yashuna people there. Yeah, those like... Two tribes. There's two tribes. There's two tribes.

There are some, but they're like just a few. The two biggest ones. Yeah, the two biggest ones. And what are they called again? Shona and Debele. Shona. Shona. Shona.

Shona. Shona. And Debele. And Debele. And you're Debele. Yeah. But it's the smaller one. Yeah.

And we were talking about it a little bit before, but like even on Twitter, like there will be people on the internet, fake mad, mad, basically. being like oh why is this debilé guy like that's so successful he's not of like the bigger group and they're like pissed off about it is that fair to say yeah that's not fair to say it's the exact thing to say it's very accurate so like I said bro the internet is not

I don't I don't see the internet as a real place where you should really base out your emotions because no one comes on the internet to be corrected or to be told that they're wrong when you log on in your phone to jump on the internet you feel like

your opinion is the one it's the legit one but sometimes bro it's just you're not being in touch with reality to a certain extent right so me posting my wins I shouldn't do it

I shouldn't be afraid to post my wins because of where I'm from or because of who I am. You know, so once someone comes for me, just for me being me, bro, of course I'm going to react. I don't believe in that whole management should be the one. Nah, bro, like, nah, bro. Like, you attack me as a person without me doing anything. I'll respond.

Right. Yeah. So that's what happened, bro. Like, I posted my yearly, my yearly Spotify streams. Right, and people went really happy about it. I mean, there's a lot. There's a lot of streams. 28 million, bro.

I mean, that's awesome. From something that doesn't come out on radio, I'm not being played on radio. We only start getting played on French radio now. That's Premier Gau, bro. But basically all the music that we're putting out, bro, it's club music. So for me, as a Zimbabwe, to get 28 million streams, it's unheard of, bro.

The most in the country. So I found it like it's crazy. Why should I be shy about working hard or achieving things? So I should hide that I've achieved something because I'm not from one tribe? Nah, bro, it doesn't work that way. I'm not one of those people. So I was like, you know, I got free time. I'll troll back.

I had free time that time. So I did it. And you put it out and I guess you kind of expect or hope that your whole country and all the people that are from your country will support you. No. Oh, really? You don't expect it. I'm doing this for me. Hmm. I'm not doing this to be like, oh, yo, it's the first Zimbab.

No, bro, I don't care about all that stuff. Really, when people say, ah, Zimbabwe, no, no, bro, I'm not that kind of a guy. I'm doing this for me. Oh, really? For me, this is my dream. I'm the one that had sleepless nights. I'm the one that researches. I'm the one that figures out how do I get myself from here to the, there's no point in time where I'm saying I'm doing this to say I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm

doing it for my country? No, bro. Like, where was my country the last 10 years before I started touring? Because my life changed in 2018 and I've been a DJ for nine years. So where does the part where you're being supported come in? So no, bro. I never did this for validation. I did it because I love it.

I was able to do it for so long without getting paid because I loved it. So me being here is because this is for me. Me touring the world. for me. It's my dream. It's not to say, oh, the first Zimbabwe and no, bro, that's their business, bro. If they want to call it that, good for them. But when I go to sleep, I'm not waiting for anyone to clap hands for me. I'm already clapped hands for myself. I'm like, boy, you're doing it. That's what I care about, bro. Like, that's what I care about. Like, I'm doing this because I love it. That's cool. That's why I'm doing it.

But if there's someone that's inspired that I grew up in your town or whatever, it wants to do what you do because of what you've done. Would you think that's cool? Good for them, bro. But that's their own dream. That's their own dream, bro. Good for them. If they feel like I'm the guy to inspire them, good for them.

But at the same time, what about the people in Morocco that look up to me? What about the people in South Africa that look up to me? Bro, this has nothing to do with where I'm from. Because basically, if it did really something to do with where I'm from, I'll probably be making music just to fit my people. But I'm making music for everyone and anyone. everywhere. Do you feel underappreciated by Zimbabweans?

I don't know, bro. Like I said, bro, this is for me, bro. Yeah. I really don't, it really doesn't shake me whether they support me or not, bro. Like there's 7.8 billion people, bro. And from that 7.8 billion, you're trying to tell me I can't find a million.

You're one of them, by the way. That's true. That's true. My point exactly. I'm trying to spread the word. You're doing a good job of it. So validation was never something I ever chased.

Right. Bro, I like doing music. I love this, bro. I love this to the core, bro. Like, I really didn't care what people like, yo. Like, bro, there's some point where when I started making EGM and EDM wasn't that big and people were like, what kind of music is this. And I'm like, and I like, I don't care, bro.

This is what I like? Oh, really? People clowned on you at the beginning. Yeah, bro. Like, what sounds of these, bro? What sounds of this? What is this? Of course, there were a few friends that saw my vision and understood what I was trying to achieve.

But people didn't really get what I was trying to do, bro. But you did it for a long time for nothing? Yeah. Like for those nine years, like, would you have another job? Yeah, I had a 9-to-5. I used to work at a college. Oh, really? Yeah, I was a part-time graphic designer.

I was a resident DJ. What I had a job? I used to sell phones. Yeah. Wow. I used to have a proper 9-to-5. When was the first time that you traveled outside of Zim? Was it to go to Nairobi?

Or did you travel when you were younger? I once went to Botswana with my grandma just for shopping and to buy some stuff for home. But what was the first time you actually got to go to Europe or to the States for music? What was that feeling like? At the time, bro, it was like unbelievable, bro. Like I said, everything is moving it like fast. Like my life has been so fast, bro. these last two years like I'm still trying to comprehend some of things that are happening now

right because coming from a space whereby I'm 33 now it's at a point where I wanted to quit music and had a 9 to 5 and then like after COVID and everyone is struggling to to pick themselves up after COVID here I am bro like touring the world and my life just changes overnight It was kind of like, I don't know what I'd say. You know, when you think like this is the last strike, where's my life going, bro? Like, I'm about ahead of my 30s and I have nothing to show for it. Yeah, that was it, bro, like excited and disbelief, relieved, happy, you know, mixed bag, bro. Scared as well.

Like, yo, what if I go out there and if they don't like what I make, they don't like my music, you know. And you have those feelings, bro. at the same time you're just like, I can't go back the you know what? Whatever happens, I can't go back there. Yeah, you've come too far.

Yeah, I've come too far, bro. It's either this or nothing. Yeah. And what's the biggest show that you've played thus far or the most important show that you've played? Oh, man. I feel like my first biggest audience, bro, like, I think it was

when I first, my first gig in Kenya, where I was like headlining I never thought that I would leave my country to actually headline my first big show in a foreign land I always thought that I would do it at home but when I got to Kenya bro

the way people were so receptive it was shocking to me like bruh people don't even know me at home I'm in a foreign country like 1,200 people at that point in time I couldn't even get like 500 people 500 is a lot like 200 people in a spot in my own home country and I'm getting 10 times that number and being flown out. Hotel, everything is paid just for foreign people to watch you, bro, and be like, we need you to come back again.

I've been to Kenya three times now. Wow. So, bro, that to me was like, wow, man. Like, bro, this is it. And I knew it. I'm pointing time like, bro, this is it. Yeah. There's no going back now.

It's time to go harder than ever. Bro. Because you can finally taste it. You can see the light. At that point in time, I think I only hit Premier Gauru. That was the only song that I got booked for after that, bro. It was like, nah, bro, whatever I do now. Nah, bro.

I just need to cement my name in this. And what's the dream? What's like the bigger show or like what's like the pathway? Is it obviously more music that's going to charred and more plays and more people kind of like spinning your tracks in their sets? But is there like a show or something that can take you over the top? with you coming from where I'm from and getting here was the dream. Everything that's happening now is just extras.

Everything that's happening now, me, at no point in time did I think, bro, I was going to be able to do like four continents in a space of two months. Bro, you can't dream of that where I'm from. My dream was to actually have my music being played out there. Yes, get the occasional gigs out there. but in no space could I fentom that I'll be actually doing four content.

Bro, I got a new passport, by the way. I finished the pages in the first one. Wow. So to me, that was like, this is more than I asked for, bro. I just want to see where this goes. Yes, I don't call them dreams anymore. I just call it goals, things that I need to do. The dream was to make it out of home and play and DJ for different people.

Cool. That was a dream. Live my dream. Wow. Now I just do goals, things that I know. need to achieve. And what's the next goal? Right now, bro, like I'm trying to do, once I need to get Brooklyn Mirage by myself, like headline that by myself, not to support anyone. That's my goal. I need to at least have

residency in Spain, bro. Like, have that as well. Have my own label. Beacon Zim where I can say, okay, this talent or these guys, I'm the one that made them. I'm the one that helped them get where they are going. That's, yeah. Those now I'm like my goals, now are not my dreams, like my goals. Have you played Brooklyn Mirage as support? No, I'm not. Not yet.

Oh, wow. I'm yet to. I'm yet to. I'm yet to. I'm supposed to. But I have Diablo in France. So I was supposed to do, we got an offer to be support to someone in Brooklyn. But unfortunately, I have one with Diplo and France, I say.

Ah, so you can't do it So I can do Brooklyn New T.F2Aid now But soon, I mean, how far off do you think that is Something like Brooklyn Mirage? Bro, like a year, two years? What do you think, bro? Months? Months, right?

Yeah, months. Months. I mean, I'm going to be there. That would be so cool. Because we already an offer to play, right? Yeah. So I feel like... But as support, though.

You want the big one. The big one, let me see. Let me see months. Give me a month. Like, give me... Up until November. I think my film base will be strong enough to be like, you know what?

Let's do Brooklyn Mirage. And do you have tracks that are coming out that you're like, I haven't even dropped this one? And this is the craziest one that's going to set everything off. To be honest, bro, like when I make music, I don't really tell myself this is a hit. I just let people decide. So I just make music, bro.

I just make music. If I make something and I'm confident about it, I just let the people decide, bro. I don't, I don't, I'm not. I'm not that guy that calls out hits after making a song, bro, no. Really? So you have no sense that, like, oh, Gore is going to go crazy or Premier Guy was going to be crazy. No, I have confidence in the song.

I have confidence to put out the song like, yo, let's do this one. This is awesome. But you can't say, oh, this is going to go here. No, no, no, I don't do that, bro. Because I just like, it's less stress, bro. It's less stress. And even like it's, when it's a hit, I'm not as excited as other people, bro, because to me, Roy, I believed in the song, bro.

I'm just like, okay, didn't work. We make another one. Yeah. It worked. Oh, wow. Okay, cool. Then let's make another one. Especially if you think it's going to be a hit and it only does, you know, a million plays.

Then you're like, oh, I'm disappointed. Yeah. But it's amazing that it's a million. And you can go back to the studio now. And you know, you know, going back to the studio and trying to redefine the process and like, okay, now I need to change styles. No, bro. Just be consistent with the sound.

People catch on. If you feel like it's now repetitive, you know, try something else. but don't forget the sound that got you there, bro. Yeah. Just stick to it, bro. And how did you learn how to produce and how to DJ? YouTube, bro. It's so crazy, huh?

No, like, there are no schools, like DJ schools from where I'm from. Of course, my dad being a music lecturer played a role in me understanding what sounds nice and what doesn't sound nice. Cool. But I feel like technology played a huge as part. part in like, you know, like your tutorials, your business seminars, whatever, like, okay, after 30 minutes you need to pay. Like, bro, we heard everything. We'll just take this 30 minutes.

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on the way up? No, no. Like when you bought your first controller, like DJ controller, you just went to like a music store and you're like, I'm going to get this and figure it out. Oh, my dad bought me. my first DJ controller.

Oh, really? My dad did that. I couldn't afford it, bro. It was just out of my means. It's cool that your parents supported it. Like your dad was willing to... I don't think he thought I was going to be this serious about it. I think at some point he thought maybe he's going to give up, you know,

and, you know, go the academic route since they're all academics, bro. So I thought at some point, I think they're really sure about me being, like, you know, like full on and yeah. So it's like, okay, support, like, it's not like you're the choice. And how do they feel about it now? Oh, bro, like, you know, like, my mom's super happy, really?

My mom. But, like, my number one fan, my number one supporter, like from day one was my grandmother. She's the boss lady. She's the one that kept them at bay. Like, nah, let him do his thing. Let him try. Like, my person, nah, he needs to go back to school.

He needs to find a job. He was like, nah, let the boy be. let the boy be so shout out to her man wow yeah so shout out to her so she was the one that really believe like yo man like this is it because you know like producing in the house she's there you're making noise and she didn't care bro like she let me make my music any day you know like you play a loop eight hours down the whole day world you're trying to figure out and she didn't care bro like she was just chilled about it wow yeah was there a moment where your parents were kind of like oh he's gonna be okay i think when i started

a Tory. That was it. They were like, oh, you're making money? Like, that's wild. Of course. But when they saw that, they were like... Yeah, yeah. And like when you can... Like, for now, you know, in Africa of this thing, like, whoever's making

the most money was making the most money in the household is the one that takes care of everyone. So, like, for a longest period of time, my parents were the one doing the taking care of me and, like, my brother and stuff like that. So now, you know, like, We've rest the roles.

So, yeah, they're like, okay, he can do this now. Cool. So he should be doing okay. Interesting. Yeah. So, yeah, man, like, shout out to them, though, bro. Like, being 27 and, you know, you're still trying to figure out life. And, you know, like, you're still being supported by your family, bro.

Like, in the Twitter streets, bro, they're like, oh, you're 27. Should have moved out. Or should have done it. You don't have a Lamborghini? Bro, chill. Yo, bro. I remember, like, 2018 when

when Black Coffee was playing my stuff, people were like, oh, yo, bro, why are you still walking, bro? Why don't you drive? I'm like,

bro, do you think someone playing my music means money, my bank account? It don't work like that. But people can't understand that. Right? They just think that

if you play my music. You're popping. I'm popping. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like, nah, bro, I'm not making money.

Yeah. So, yeah, bro, it was like crazy. Crazy. So like, like, like I say, like the Twitter streets, you know, like they'll make you feel bad, bro. If you listen to that stuff, it'll make you feel bad. Like, you know, no. Now, fucks your head. Yeah, bro.

Like, you feel like not doing much. Yes, you're making music. You're giving you 100%. But you jump online, bro. People start making you feel like shit. Yeah. Right. So to me, it was pressure as well.

But I'm happy I went through that because I learned how to. to understand how the world works. Okay, cool. Twitter is a fake world because I made it on Instagram. Like, my career blew up on a different platform where they're positive people. Yeah, on this world, people support me. Yeah.

In this world, people time me down. Oh, really? Nah, so I'll just be a troll back. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I'll just be a troll back. I'll just know, let them believe what they believe. But I know deep down that my people, right, I have people that love my music.

It saves in the streams. it says in the comments it says with the support the messages that you get from people the stories that people tell you in like you're a part of their lives on a daily basis bro someone is working out to your stuff someone is driving to work with your stuff someone

is with their kids with your stuff bro how much support do you want that's an interesting perspective like how imagine bro like you're in someone's life yeah that is like a continent away from you I'm in Zeminuil and someone in New York is

going to the gym with your, bro. Like, I don't know what definition of making it do you need. But bro, that's making it, bro. Yeah. That's you in someone's life. Yeah, that's a good point. I do think people, especially in like the content age, get really sort of disillusioned with what support is.

That it's like, you know, there's only five comments on, you know, my post. There's only five, you know, comments on my SoundCloud song. But there's, you know, 5,000 streams, 10,000 streams. there's 10,000 people that put you into their life that day and you're worried that oh there's not enough support it's like yo be grateful for the people that took time to listen to your track like that support enough

and I think that's where you go wrong also we want to measure success from the likes from the money but I feel like even like even with us artists bro like yes you blow up I feel like we struggle to stay rooted we just want to what snakes that can make me bigger but you forgot that the reason

you were big is you connected at someone they made you big you didn't make yourself big they made you big they can make you they can break you too they make you small yeah so we fail to appreciate

how people had an impact in our lives when we suddenly scale up and forget about those that used to comment on your stuff when you had like 5,000 people. That's why I tried to reply to all my DMs. I tried to reply to all my DMs

because I feel like interaction with people, they'll connect more with you and you'll know what to make for them as well. Yeah, you'll have an actual connection of what they really care about what they actually like. Bro, like you told me about Sete and that's not even like my biggest song. I thought you were going to be like, your Gora.

I was like, oh, wow, okay. Yeah, that was the way in. Yeah, and you played Ike Oonu, bro. I don't play I can't even know my sets. Really? That's on my favorite track. Okay, I'll play me. When you go to Brooklyn Mara when you're headline and I'm at the show up. I like the song. I like

the song. I like the song, no lie. But now I'm still trying to find a way to fit it in. But yeah. That's really interesting. I'm happy that people you know like the song like okay, that one did for you. Wow. Good for you. Yeah. Because you really can't control how something hits

an individual person. Yeah. Yeah. You just have to make it what you like and maybe it resonates and maybe it doesn't and just be grateful for the support that you do get. Exactly.

That's really cool. Have there been private events that you've done or people that have reached out that were surprising where you were like holy shit,

I'm in this place, I'm in this country doing this show. That was when I went to Jordan. You went to Jordan. Bro. Not the biggest of ten hours, but bro,

I was treated like a king, bro. Like, that was nice. What happened? Bro, like, because it was nice. the W hotel Yeah

A week A week Yeah Damn Week Then like they took me To all the nice touristy places

Bro And this is like After my show Do you know When the promoter books you He cares about you Before the show So to me it was weird

That The hospitality Hero Even Lebanon Oh Lebanon is nice The people they are super nice bro.

In Beirut? Bayroot, yeah. People they are super nice. I now have like friends, friends, friends, friends that I have in Lebanon that I can call, okay, these are my bros, these are the guys I can wake up at 1 a.m. if I'm in a problem

or something like that. So the hospitality they held, bro. Like, you know what I always expect people to treat you nicely before the gig, but like after the gig, bro, when I was still there, bro, are you free? What are you doing? Do you want to come chill, do you want to see something? Or

just take you, let's, you should taste this. I'm like, bro, like, to me, I was like, okay, wow. You know, you felt like music got me here, bro. Yeah. And I'm experiencing this because music got me here. Was that the one in Jordan, was it a private event? Or was it your own show? No, it wasn't a private

event. It was a guy, a group of friends that started their promoting company. Yeah, I haven't played a event. No, I've never played a private event. Oh, really? Yeah, the fee's crazy. Not yet. No, the fee is crazy for private events.

Oh, yeah, in terms of the pay, right? To book me. It's crazy for a private gig, bro. I mean, that's cool. Yeah, so no one has yet to do. Should we? Should you not? Nah, let's book him as a club.

I mean, not yet. Yeah, yeah. It's coming. It's coming. But, yeah, like, for private events, we charge crazy, bro. Yeah. Are there any festivals that you want to do that you think will be... I don't like festivals.

You don't like them? Because there are so many moving things. You're not really like The logistics are crazy For festivals Especially big ones I went to exit festival At a learning experience

To understand how festivals Works I'm like nah I prefer clubs Yeah But I'd like something like A big show Like brunch

Or Like what happens in Touloum whereby it's not a festival It's just a gig With a good lineup That's it Interesting Festivals

What I don't like about them Is that So many different things happening and you get the audience is split. But once we understand, like, let's say it's an Afrohouse event whereby everyone is solemnly coming for Afrohaus, bro. You can experiment, bro. You can play some oldies.

You can play, you know, with festivals, you really need to be commercial so that you like grasp everyone that's coming from different genres. So that's why like... It gets a little diluted. Yeah, because some people are coming for tics, some people are coming for EDM, some people are coming for drum and bass. and now you are trying to convince them that there's something called Afrohouse.

Yeah, and they're like, I don't know. Like, I'm going to go. Nah, I don't like festivals. That makes sense. But what if there's a festival that was only Afro house festival? Of course. And it was you, black coffee. Oh, yes, bro.

Like, call me any day, bro. That would be it. I mean, is that, why has that not happened? I don't know, bro, but I wish you could happen. Like, that'll be nice. Yeah. Dope, bro. Like, kind music, black coffee.

I'm sure there have been some shows like that. right? Toulouloom? Yeah, they had one way. It was kind music, black coffee, yeah, yeah. They've had some. I mean, that's cool.

Yeah, that would be dope, bro. We gotta get you in the mix, though. Yeah. I love that. We got to turn that into a little vaude. Yeah, I got to love that. Yeah, that's really cool, man. That's really cool.

It's just going to be really, really cool to see how everything plays out. Have there ever been any moments on tour that were, like, like sketchy or you were like it was like dangerous or it was bizarre any specific stories we were like bro I cannot believe that happened once I was supposed

to have a gig in Israel and I don't know real like paperwork didn't happen and we couldn't file a visa stuff like that

and it was despite you know looking forward to it in having mixed feelings that was it one then there was the one that happened where there was an earthquake in Turkey

a week before I was supposed to go there oh wow I was like okay was this a sign that I shouldn't go there or what then we did try to to get the gig there

but I don't know it just never happened what happened what happened Israel won. It's just the paperwork didn't work out? Yeah, like my visa was I was supposed to get visa on arrival, but I didn't get it.

It just denied me the visa. But did you get there? No, I never went. Oh, you never even went. I was in Serbia at that point in time and I never went. You were in Serbia? Yeah. Doing shows there? Yeah, it was an exit festival. Oh, that's so cool. Yeah. I mean, what a wild thing. That's the thing about music that I'm very jealous

about is that you get to go anywhere in the world. True, but I feel like... Comedy, you can't do that. You can't... You're just limited by language. So it's like, there might be a lot of English speakers, you know, in some place, but how many people are able to speak, like, fluent English to where they're able to understand jokes quickly around the world, you know?

It's a smaller number. Whereas anyone can understand why Gore is an amazing song. You can play it for a deaf person and they would enjoy it. You know what I mean? Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, it transcends. So you get to go to Serbia. I bet you've had emotional connections with people that you can't even talk to.

Like people after a show, like, best show I've ever seen, but you don't even understand what language they're speaking. True, true. That's a cool experience that comedy doesn't get. I experience that way frequently than I would expect. I would say again? I experience that way frequently than I would expect. Yeah, it's really cool. I mean, music just has the ability to cut through so much.

Yeah, so like, for me, you know, when I go to a place, like, especially like, let's say, the first time I was in France, me not being able to speak French and seeing how my song did well in a French-speaking country was amazing, but what? Okay. Like, we from different backgrounds, bro. Like, get there to a show and people are so excited to see you. And you all can understand each other, bro.

Like, they're speaking English so that they can accommodate. me because they know I can speak French, right? And bro, they're so happy that you're there, bro. And you're thinking, man, I just went through a 24-hour flight just to get here. And it makes you feel good, bro. Like, it wasn't, it was worth it. Yeah. Like to see them so happy, so excited singing along, bro, like, ah, this is the life,

this is the life. That's cool. Like, ah, bro, what are you saying, bro? Like, it feels good, bro. Like, the only thing connecting you is the music. Yeah. Nothing else. It's not about your complexion.

It's not about where you're from, your background. Religion, nothing. They don't care about that, bro. They just did because you made a song that did something in their lives. Yeah, I mean, it's one of the most, I think the most pure connection you can have. Bro. I believe that. As someone that's a comedian, like, I love comedy.

I think comedy is a very unique connection. But I think music is something that transcends language. It transcends culture. It transcends everything. Yeah. Very rarely are people, like, offended by music. You know what I mean? you won't be offended by it.

You might just be like, ah, it's not for me. But, like, comedy can be polarizing, but music is just like anyone can be on board. It's really, really cool. What's up, guys? We're going to take a break really quick because you need to get your labs done. Yes, you know what I'm talking about.

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People smoke weed a little bit and like drink. But I'm curious for you, has it been interesting going around the world and seeing like different drug cultures within like the music scene? Like you're in America and people might be on Mali or you might go to Serbia and people aren't on any drugs. Like, is that strange for you to see how different people are interacting with drugs in different countries? I don't see that much drug use, but you can tell that. People are, like, chilled or they, like, hyperactive. But I really don't focus on those things, real. I see the difference.

You see people doing that thing. Like, yeah, of course, it's different. But to me, at the end of the day, bro, I'm just there to give people a good time, bro. I really don't care what they are. know what they're doing as long as they connect with the music and their happy bunch everyone wins everyone wins bro have you ever had a show that went terribly wrong yeah of course bro like what's like what happens whoop let's see like in comedy we call it bombing like what's what's your worst bomb probably it'll be back home i've never had one like during touring that's been

yeah on the road it's been it's different now no yeah it's different now no yeah it's different now It's different now But back home I once hosted a show Bro and we're like a whack Turn out bro Like Put in so much money

And me and my friends Were like you know This is gonna be the one You know because you know Like I said Social media is not a real place Because you be seeing all these people Like yo we're coming through bro

Here we'll be there You're posting on Facebook And like yo man Like we're gonna make a killing Hey bro On the day of the event No one bro Did you still do it or did you just cancel it?

We had to for the few people there We were there, bro. Like, we couldn't cancel the show. Like, what about the people that showed up? So, yeah, we did it, bro. How many people? 20 people. Was it fun, though?

Yeah, it was a vibe, of course. But, you know, like, you were putting it money, you know, you're thinking like you're going to get something back, you know. But those people actually liked it. They enjoyed it, bro. Did another one. They brought friends and grew up until, yeah. That's how it goes with, like, comedy. Like, you'll do a show and you're like, yeah, we're going to get, like, 150 people.

And then it's, like, 10 people. Yeah. And then in your head you're like, fuck, this is going to be awful. Wait, wait, wait. Once in India, bro. In India? Yeah, I did a show in India last year, January in Goa. Bro.

What happened? Bro, only 20 people came. Only, no, 20 is a lot, but I think of 15 people came to, bro. And this is me walking through the street. I saw my post and was like, yo, this is proper marketing, bro. Hey, hey. Got there at the show like 15 people, like 15. But they had fun.

I played for like three hours. Oh, really? Played for three hours. That's awesome. Then like, when are you coming back again, bro? I was like, oh, okay, okay. Like, this time is going to be better. I like the enthusiasm, though.

Like, yo, like people didn't know after I was still growing in India. Please come through like, yo, like even on the comments you'll see like on Instagram. Yo, bro, when are you coming back to India? So I was like, okay. The few that are actually there really enjoyed because I met some in Serbia. They're like, yo, bro, wait your show in Goa. I remember us? like the 15 people.

Yeah, I do. Yeah, of course I remember. I remember each of you individually. Yeah, I know your names. Like, oh, okay, cool. So, yeah, it's not, it's, it happens, bro. I feel like it's not every country

where you're going to be like, okay, sell out. So I feel like, yeah, I have to go through those things. It's humbling. It brings you down to other bits. Yeah. You know, I need to work hard.

I need to work hard. So, yeah. But you love the music. enough that you're like, yo, I'm still going to play my heart out. I'm still going to do the same set. I don't care, bro, whether it's for 15 people, 20 people, bro. I will play my heart out, bro. I believe in, like, you know, one person can change your life.

You don't know who exactly are playing to. You could be playing to a billionaire's kid. And that kid goes to tell you his person, you're dead, I made this one DJ. We should have him, like, on the next party. or you should have them at the club or yeah you don't know who you're playing to so you can't give half big performances

just because your show didn't have a good turnout no bro do your thing for those people that actually paid from their hard-earned money bro like play yeah give it everything that's cool that's cool how much is your set changed night to night night what in terms of what?

Like if you play on Friday is it going to be different on Saturday or is it generally kind of like the same track list. Okay, so I build my set around my own music. There's no way I'm going to play a set without my music. That will never happen. So I build my set around my own music.

So like I may say in a set I'll have five songs that are mine. Then two songs from maybe upcoming producers, maybe three songs that people like or people know. So like I divide my sets into that. But the whole purpose is like, have new songs that people don't know because I'm really with all my sense I'm trying to introduce you to stuff that you don't know I'm never going to play your everyone's head no I don't do that I'm here to teach you stuff you don't know why am I going to play you

things that you have in your car you really did you did you pay for a Spotify playlist could have done that at home so I don't understand people that be like you know play this song I'm never going to play it like I'm here to teach you something new That's a cool flow. So it's like, yo, here are these four or five songs that are me, that if you're a fan of me, you know. And then here's two or three songs you've never heard of. And then here's two or three songs you probably heard of, you know, even if you don't know who I am. Exactly.

And then you do that all the way through. All the way through, all the year round, bro. Wow. Because, bro, like, I get new music, like, from other producers or, like, weekly I may get, like, 20 songs and four are good. Unfortunately. Yeah. People kicking you stuff all the time. Bro, like, it's every day.

Bro, I carry earphones everywhere. Even when I'm home, like, I always have one earring. Like, you see an email, boom, boom, or drop-up links. Okay, cool. And I have to listen to my own stuff as well. Okay, I need to change this bridge. I need to change this. So I'm always listening to music.

Who's a collab or someone you'd want to work with that would be like a goal? Ah, bro, like I told you, bro. Like, for me, a goal. Not a dream. Your dream's already done. You're living the dream. Collab, let's see. Hey, I'd like it to be someone

African though that's elderly. Like, you know, I'd have loved to work with Salif Kata. Do you know that? There's a guy called Salif Kata. I'd love to work with that one. I'd love to work with, there's a guy called from Zimbabwe.

He's late though. Oliver M. Tucuzzi. I'd have love to work with, like, have one of his guitars on my songs. I would have been amazing, trust me. Who else? Are there any Afro beats guys that you would want to work with? Hey, bro, like Afro beat like from now.

Hey, Davey too, bro, like I'd like to work with him. Like Burner Boy, Wiz Kid. Whiz Kid, of course. But for me right now, like, Burner Boy, I feel like he's kind of... Let me see, has he ever done a house song? I don't know, I've never imagined him, but I've heard WizKid on some house music like back in the day some Afro House back in the day so I know his voice sonically would sound good on Afro House

because I've heard him on Afro House. I've heard him on some Afro house songs back in the day so I know yeah that's one of I've never heard Bernabor now like yeah so I know I know definitely WizKid and David would sound on an Afro house song that's cool and where's Whiskey from again do you know Nigeria he's Nigerian yeah and have Have you played shows in Nigeria? Once.

Where? Legos. A Victoria Island. How was it? People saw into Africa there, bro. It was a hard show as well. Oh, really? But how are you unearthing my flubbed shows?

Like how? Like, how? I got two lucky guesses, bro. Bro, like how? Because I know the Nigerians are not easy. Okay? These Nigerians are tough. These Nigerians are tough.

My day in Nigeria was different, bro. By now, you know, when, you know, when, And when Odireti did well, I was like, what? Because it's Nigerian, right? I was like, what? But I was happy at the same time because I managed to tip into a market that I had failed with the last time. So I'm like, oh, this is my win. This is my win now.

So I was super happy. And I met a few Nigerians along the way that I've been now became good friends. So I was like, that was a win. That was a win at the end. I was the Joel off Rice. You had that? I've never had that before. Really?

Nah, I'm yet too. Nigerians say they have the best one The first time I was in Nigeria I was hosted by Lebanese family Oh really? Yeah, so I ate Lebanese food You love your Lebanese Yeah

I love my Lebanese people They hold you down They hold you down I love my Lebanese people Man this has been awesome bro I really appreciate all the All the stories All the info

I love I just love what you do man For real I really love the music And I love I just think your trajectory It's gonna go crazy I'm really I'm really interested in looking back on this conversation

in like a year. Right? And just seeing like... All right, I'll hold you to that. Yeah, like where are we at? Where are we at? Like, I think Brooklyn Mirage will happen. I think Bernie Man could be big. Oh, yeah.

And yeah, I guess the rest of your tour. Where are you off to next? Where's the next stop? Next stop is in Merida. Where is that? Merida. Where is, I don't know where I do. It's Mexico, right?

Marida. Marita. Yeah. Sick. Marita, I think it's Mexico because, I think it's Mexico because... You don't even know, you're leaving on Friday,

you have no idea where you're going. My road manager should know. She should know. He's going to tell them. Yeah, yeah, we've got someone on the case, yeah, we've got someone on the case. You're going to get an airplane. We have Vagalum in Tulum.

We have Catahina. We have Medellin. Yeah, we're doing a few shows in South America. Oh, wow. Be careful with the Colombians, bro. These Colombian women? be careful

of course I want to wake up with a kidney bro bro you got a girl you have a wonderful girl okay yes yes don't be tempted by these Colombians brah trust me Meneen

bro trust me bro you sure I'm sure bro I'm sure bro you're just gonna stay I'm the guy that DJs and goes to bed you're gonna stay in your hotel and watch documentaries the whole time bro

trust me trust me bro what's the best documentary you've seen lately Hey bro me I'm watching stuff from Telegram bro I'm watching stuff that they don't put on TV Bro Wait what Because I need to know how the world works

What's going what do you mean How does the world work? Nah bro Are you sure you want to go there Are you sure? I mean I'm curious Look we're in a tent right now Okay we can go on

What you see on what you like I said What you see on the internet bro Don't take it too seriously bro Because me be okay i'ma use myself as an example bro right imagine if i had not believed in myself and took the stereotype that oh no i'm from zimbabwe people from zimbabwe don't make it out there oh no zimbabwans don't listen to this type of music oh no there's never been a producer that does this and be successful people are open-minded in the real world and that you understand that you can't take everything from the

internet for the truth. Because bro, what you're seeing on your everyday feed on Facebook and, bro, that's stuff that's that they're capping for you to see. That's why when you post something, let's say you post something that doesn't make sense, a joke. It's not going to pop. But you post one of your comedy shows you need to pay for you to be seen. But if it's something that's silly, it's going to trend.

But if there's anything to do with money, you better in your life, it's not going to trend because they're kind of capping what you should see. That's what I'm saying. I don't believe that the world that we live in is as bad as people say. Right? I still believe that people are good out there. There's room for art. There's room for creatives.

So that's why I really don't watch mainstream and say, oh, no, there's this music. You don't hear it on trace. You're never going to make it. No, bro, there are people that listen to me? Just because I'm not playing on Channel O or trace music or MTV doesn't mean I can make a life out of music. But the internet tells you that

if you're not coming out on those platforms, you're nothing. Yeah, it's just negativity. Exactly. So that's why I don't listen to what the internet says or what the general public says because here I am, bro. Yeah, you're proof.

There is life in music. You can change your family's lives at home through music. You got to send me one of these documentaries. Yeah, I will. I'll peep it. I will. We'll have a different discussion. I will.

Once we get to the bottom of everything. I will. Do you have a telegram account? I don't. I'm not even on telegram. Open one. Yeah, yeah. Open one.

And I'll send you one of the channels where I watch things, bro. Your mind will be like, you'll see it for what it is. Hmm. You'll really see it for what it is, bro. You'll see people in a different shade of light, even people in the music industry,

even people in your field of work. You're like, okay, so this guy did this to me because this has been happening in the music industry for the longest time or this guy doesn't want to work with me because of these cultural barriers. Oh, you know, you understand how it works. Are people buying streams a lot? I'd say, I've bumped into platforms.

There's a time when I was researching on like how the music industry works. How do I get my music heard? Like I've seen sites where you can actually pay for campaigns to help you bump up your streams. Yeah. Some do buy streams. But I know YouTube, YouTube, a lot of people like, pump it. Pump it, bro. Like people pump it on YouTube.

Yeah. Like people really pump it. Like to the extent whereby, yo, bro, you're pumping it this much. How come your Spotify is saying otherwise? Like, why can't you do the same numbers on Spotify? Like, really? So, yeah, people do buy streams. But I feel like that's dangerous because imagine you're a promoter, you're looking at my streaming numbers, and you have 500 capacity club, and I can fill that up.

And I have like 3 million monthly listeners, and I can pack a 500 venue. That's why it's dangerous. I mean, like, if you're there for the money and not to travel, cool, do it. Like, do it. But if you're going to play to real people and be like, yo, I need to do a show in New York. I don't I don't I don't I don't I don't think that's the route to To like take Yeah you can't you can't fake the the real people

The real ticket holders Bro do you know do you know how Okay let's say for you for instance Going to someone's show Do you know how much convincing you need To take your hard end money and go pay a ticket To attend someone's shows Then you think an ad I saw on Facebook

Will convince me to see it guy never heard about Just because you posted a promo and oh so and so he's coming to America okay cool let's let's go no bro you need to have a connection with the artist so if you're faking streams what happens the day you want to do a show

you're exactly where you started yeah and and I'm traveling 32 hours here imagine if I had fake my streams gospel would have been empty yeah yeah

probably Francis would have never let me work with them if I couldn't do that, bro. Yeah. You get? So I don't think pumping numbers is the best of ways to go about it. People do, yeah. But that's them.

It's not the move. I don't think that's a good idea, bro. Becky, this has been awesome, bro. I really appreciate this. Thank you again for taking the time to come by and share with me. Share with me your journey, man. I'm excited to see where it goes. And I'm going to be there at Brooklyn Marage when you're headlining.

Yeah, yeah. It's going to be cool. I can't wait. Thank you so much for having me, man. Thank you, bro. Night Freak. Thank you.