Can't Keep My Mouth Shut - She Said, He Said - Why You Should Adopt, Don't Shop

Episode Date: March 30, 2020

Back in March 2020, the height and weight that dogs can be housed in HDB flats have been resized by the government scheme - you can now adopt a dog that is up to 55cm in height, with no weight restriction. There are so many slightly larger dogs out there that need your love and happy home life, and they can now get it. YAY FOR THE DOGGIES. Aside from the above, we're all dealing with the affects of the global pandemic of the Coronavirus, which for the majority of us means we're at home alot more than ever before. Now is the perfect time to introduce a fur baby to your home. But before you all head to a pet shop or a puppy farm *cries*, you need to listen to my co-host Paul Foster and myself discussing all the reasons you should always #AdoptDontShop.  

This podcast contains strong language and discussions about relationships and sex. It may not be suitable for younger listeners. This is the Sex in Singapore City podcast and I'm Nixalina Watson. Hi everyone, it's Nixalina and I'm back with another episode of She Said, He Said with my co-host Paul Foster. How's it going? Hey darling, good to see you again. Yes, good to be back. It feels like we haven't been in the studios for a while. I know. I mean, it's been nice to be able to post stuff we've recorded and see the responses.

Yes. Some of them are brilliant. Yes, yes. We're getting some great DMs. So thanks to all the people who are messaging us and letting us know that they're actually enjoying listening to us talk shit for like 40 minutes. It's true. And what I noticed, we did like, you know, one of the episodes we had very different views. Because all the men on my Instagram commented and were like, I agree with Paul. And then all the women on his Instagram were like, Nix is so right. And there we go. That's why we've got the show.

I was like, we need to swap followers, mate. We'll get a lot more engagement. Let's just switch. No, you can keep the guys. I got this. Yeah, you got it. Okay. Well, today we're actually going to tackle a bit more of a serious topic and a little

bit off um the beaten path with regards to relationships and dating and we're going to talk about something that's very close to both of our hearts and it's why we think everyone needs to adopt don't shop yes this of course is in regards to animals and pets yes so different kind of relationship a relationship with your fur baby yeah with with a with an animal that that just wants love you know love in a different way totally just a lot of love yes all the time exactly too much yeah in your situation so I felt what um just so you everyone knows my adoption background very quickly I've grown up always adopting animals from shelters um both dogs and cats never bought a kitten never bought off a breeder um of course when you when you adopt from

the shelter the chances are they're going to be you know a little older they're not going to be cute little puppies our dogs were one plus the best pets I've ever had um stayed with us till like 15 16 years um some of them were very well trained already some of them not so much so and you have to you know you get what you go for and um me personally when I moved out my family home so we had two cats and one dog all rescues I then rescued my current to UK cat she's a pedigree burman um and she basically the family gave her up because they had allergic reaction to her fur she was about one i don't i thought allergic reactions were either there or they're not yeah right yeah but apparently as she grew up they got allergic reaction it can happen yeah it

can happen um but i don't know what the details are no that's what i said okay fine so um yeah i got her and then eventually moved over to singapore with me and then once i got her here i adopted my second cat from cat welfare society so i have a multicultural household you do you do i like it british and a singaporean um and then my second one obviously adopted she was found on in a drain in yishun no one knows how long she was being there for she was very skinny covered in mites covered in fleas broken tail um and she's the most lovable cat in the entire world and um like i know everyone says oh i want to kid him but i would not change her for anything yeah um so yeah so i've adopted both in singapore and and the uk and that's perfect and for me it's just uh

my first cat jewel from the animal lovers league i think wow it's been like six years now so and she's lovely she she's great and then just recently we got two more kittens uh by way of a rescuer and then a foster but i think through the cws um system as well so uh that's cat welfare society so yeah two two new little ones that we've got and uh they're wonderful uh but a perfect time a perfect time with uh the whole virus going on because i've spent so much time at home and it's been great so we've been uh we've been uh having a lot of quality time with with these new kittens and and assimilating them into the family of already three adult cats and one dog uh which has been fun so joe was your cat yep then the other two cats were joey's that's

right and but the dog's yours no bama was joey's as well okay so now you've got five cats one dog correct yeah and i think joey kind of rescued bam bam as in like got her from like a breeder but it was like the last kind of pup from that um right from that batch um she did get moshi from in bangkok and brought her over here while she is the cat yep the other female cat and then uh bongo the other the other boy the feet the the adult boy now uh he's he's from singapore as well so so yeah that's it that's our house at the moment which is which is fun is it a house or a sanctuary yeah is it a house or is it my house is always a sanctuary i always think of that and that's because of the animals to be honest i mean people who don't have pets for whatever reason

they do miss out on on that unconditional love that a pet can give you it's amazing it's irreplaceable yeah and it's nice because like you're never really alone no which is good in a way that's why i got my first cat i just moved to my flat yeah like 26 fresh out my family home i had used to pets and animals and then it went to silence yeah and it just i couldn't bear it it's deafening isn't it yeah yeah and i was like i need something so um i mean the cat i got is a mute she not like not she just doesn't say anything or do anything she's a typical burman in like you know those lap cats that just sit around and look pretty oh stunning yeah but other than that that's it yeah like moving from the sofa to the bed is the

day's activity so i like i would that's usually what cats do anyways everyone's like isn't that netflix and chill like yeah the perfect weekend yeah they sleep like 18 19 hours a day on average i mean that that's that's what i want to come back in my second life oh for sure uh but i think the one of the reasons we also want to talk about it right now is that it's quite topical right with the change of rules yeah so in in singapore look we're we're a small country with limited housing you know because of land right um and it still shits me that we've got breeders here in singapore which we don't need at all it's zero need for breeders here and the fact that you're selling animals in pet shops i don't even think we need it because we've got hundreds if not

thousands of animals in per shelter or per animal welfare group that need adopting yeah um it's i know it's bureaucratic i know it's industry you know so many weird laws that are against animal welfare and it's just it's just a very very strange situation and yes i mean the good thing you're right that that law that just came into effect now that allows slightly bigger dogs uh and and weight now has no no bearing so it's gone from 50 centimeters to 55 that's right and now no weight limit at all so yeah do you think that's like the 55 from is that gonna be is that gonna well to be fair it will change a dog's life won't it it fits into that now correct and that's matters and i want to say they've done some research on it to see that possibly maybe

at least maybe the singapore specials fall into that category which we have a lot of here in singapore obviously because they're our native dogs in that extent yeah um so i want to think that they've done it by by by by reasoning yeah um you know what's still annoying is the fact that cats are still illegal in hdbs for example illegal yeah illegal right you can't have cats just because of hygiene and and basically hygiene which is also i think absolute bullshit um i mean if you're a clean person in general you'd be keeping things clean and yeah the cat litter is you just chuck it with your rubbish yeah and cats are the best pest control you can ever get they're the best they keep everything in order which is fantastic because they still have

that feline wild instinct to a certain extent to to hunt still which is really great um so yeah i don't understand that and you know i think i think it's something like 70 percent um people live in hdbs in singapore yes so if you take 70 of that where cats aren't allowed to live in already so that's 30 percent that people are allowed to have cats as pets so it doesn't make any sense yeah and the fact that well you're allowed dogs but now only certain sizes and yet we're still getting breeders breeding big dogs especially yeah um or and again look not i'm not giving shit to people who have bought from breeders no or maybe wanted to get a full pedigree well you joey's you know bought from so it's not you know it's yeah we're not preaching that's right it's yeah and we should

get this out that we should say yeah look we're not we're not giving you guys shit if you have done that because you still have an animal that you are loving and it's it's part of your family now and that's the most important thing but i think there has to be a few guidelines and a few kind of restrictions in place for especially a smaller country like singapore i would like a slight mindset shift if i'm totally honest yeah in that like oh for instance last year before i got my Singaporean cat she has a name it's Gizmo ah the Singaporean one um I was trying to look to adopt a dog yes my idea was whatever home I could give it would be better than where he was right yeah and I obviously live in a condo not a HDB he was above the size there are so many dogs

in the shelters are way above the HDB approved size unfortunately my scenario and this is something i did want to bring up he didn't work out um because it was a not a good living situation for myself my uk cat gremlin and for him he it worked out that he needed to be around other dogs so he was basically grown up in the shelter um he's never been in a home yeah so he's always around all the animal all the other dogs constantly so going from that to silence bless him he was terrified and um myself and my partner at the time were full-time working yeah and we don't have a helper so it was a horrible decision but this was from the um animal lovers league i cannot stress enough how supportive they were they were like if it doesn't work out in the two weeks

please talk to us let us know any struggles they create a whatsapp group yeah they're like we are a no-kill shelter it do not send him on to someone else if you can't handle him please bring him back to us yes uh like the most supportive i think animal because i think they have to be right yeah yeah yeah because they know that if it does work it does work and if it doesn't and it does happen i mean you're a case for an example right there um they they want to make sure that at least the animal comes back to their care yeah yes and that's very and they and they all do that all the animal welfare groups will do that which is fantastic yeah well some like in the uk there's some that be like you've signed the papers right okay not our problem anymore yeah yeah no i think

a little bit different here because um of the of the situation yeah but when we went to go and see him we went for walking and that we then went to all the puppy mills surrounding it yeah and it is just devastating and my partner at the time was like i want a dash and i love dashing dogs like always wanted a sausage dog and then when we went to the puppy mills where there are tons of little puppy dachshunds he was like it just doesn't feel right it would never i would never be able to walk in here now and buy one of these yeah for thousands as well yeah they're not cheap they're not and that's why the breeders are continue doing what they're doing because they make a lot of money and yeah the ironic thing is now when all the the shelters and the the animal welfare groups had to

move to the ava compound you know you've got half that compound which is all the breeders yeah and then you've got the other half which is all the shelters but even the royal shelters there's like one breeder there which you know closes the whole row up with all the windows up it's dark in there yeah um and it's in this and it is it's a mill it's a factory um and it saddens me that every time i go down there to do my work if i do some volunteer work or at least to visit like you come in you enter through the gates you've got to turn right to go to the shelters because the and they put all the breeders of that first block which is when you first enter and you always see tons of people walking around and looking up there and it's just so sad because they they just

literally just went left and went down and saw the shelters and saw what was happening there and thought oh why don't i adopt a dog or a cat i mean not only are they saving that life they're saving another life that could maybe come in and take its place because most of these places are at full capacity or past tipping point um yeah there's like 20 cats per cage yes yeah and it's sad um it's not ideal it's not um and it's tough it's tough to go actually i haven't been back in a while and i've been trying to think about how i can do a little bit more to help there i want to create a cattery there uh in an unused outdoor dog run that the the facility had built for some reason which is not even being used so my idea was to actually convert that to a full

cattery because cats are territorial and they they are they need space and they just you just need to rotate the cages out a little bit like you can probably take one whole row and put them in that huge cattery which is like 50 60 meters long they can have space and you can let you can let the cages have a week each down there for example and just rotate you know sometimes it's weird you go in there and you think oh wow you know i mean it's hard for for example for all the animals to keep themselves hygienic and clean in there because it's a constant flux of just everything right and then i get to move around a lot and so i always tell people when they go in like if you adopt a dog or a cat from here within the first week within the first few days

you'll you'll see such a transformation in just their fur and how clean yes they become because they're able to then clean themselves and keep clean whereas in a shelter sometimes it's very hard to keep clean and of course the shelters are overrun but because they won't turn away animals that need their help right so it's important to get that message across that they're not just putting 20 cats in one pen you know they they won't turn away an animal that needs them yes yes yes of course and um so they're always and the volunteers are incredible always walking the dogs working funeral and like literally volunteering so it's their own time yeah and and i think that's the thing people don't quite realize so you you know you go and

you buy an animal and you spend hundreds if not thousands of dollars where you could go to a shelter and adopt a perfectly equally beautiful being for absolutely free yeah or maybe you have to pay an adoption fee but it's like maybe a couple of hundred dollars but that's just to cover some medical and stuff and actually that money also just goes straight back into the shelter for them to take care of like yep 700 animals yeah my my rescue of the cat was the same so she was um an individual rescuer so not just a massive organization and she had 20 plus cats in her hdb that she turned into like a mini veterinary area yeah and she charged me six um two hundred dollars to take gizmo but that was basically because she'd been neutered yep um had

all the vet bills done i mean she'd looked after her for six months yeah so i basically was and And, you know, she said, if you, if it doesn't work out, I'll refund you. I was like, no, if it doesn't work out, you keep that money. And then, and now I pay her as much as I can every month. So I transfer like a hundred dollars here and there. And it goes a long way. Yeah. Even like when I was like, um, if I can only spare $50 a month, I still pay her.

And you know, that will be another cat being neutered. And she's, and I, when I went to get the cat, I was like, you know, where does your money come from? She said, this is all self-funded. Yeah. Yeah. So the fundraising donations or their own money and, you know, God bless them all that they go out because they do the whole trap

release programs and they go to vets that also help and support. So I charge them the bare minimum to cover the cost or sometimes even a deal where, you know, some are free. And I think if you take recent years of them doing this program now, going around and and getting the strays and spraying and spraying or neutering them you can see that the the stray population is much much lower yeah which is good so we can get that under control that's one thing and people are doing it out of their own free will self-funding and then you get again this whole other side of the coin where it's like no we are going to produce more

dogs and cats and breed them and sell them for so much more money because that's a business and it it so it's never there's never a balance it's very strange and what was weird when i went to the puppy mills is you go from the show and everyone's barking and screaming every puppy was fast asleep in every glass cage yeah and i was like does this not feel really weird like every single one they're used to the noise which probably a good thing in a sense whereas the And the other dogs were like, you know, middle of the day, and I just like, and it was eerily quiet and just, and horrible glass cages with nothing in it.

Well, they don't know any better. So that's their life and that's it, you see. But to then have like 2,000 whatever scrawled on a glass cage or a tiny puppy, and there were people in there. I was like, please just walk down the road. What are you doing? I know. And do you know what?

the designer dog thing i it's not just like in the uk it was the pugs was the designer dog everyone wanted a pug now it's moved on to french frenchies french bulldogs yeah where everyone gets a french dog bulldog puppy yeah buys it rather than because that's what they want they want that breed yes and it's just like with the cats it's similar like maine coons persians and stuff but Like, I mean, I was lucky to adopt a pedigree, Berman, but I'm proof that you can adopt a pedigree. Yeah, it happens. Yeah, I mean, I think that my one, my Singaporean,

she acts like a Maine Coon. She thinks she's half ragdoll. The other half is definitely dog, for sure. She's chewed so many pairs of my shoes. Broken a Cartier ornament, turned the hob on when I was out. And I was like, just be normal, Berman. Do what the other cat does. Sit down.

Shh. i mean just the whole design aspect like oh i want a purebred dachshund so i gotta buy a puppy like why does it matter but that's like fashion yeah exactly so people don't have to spend that much money on fashion but they choose to and again same thing if you have the money and it's your money you can i guess you can spend it whatever way you want no one can tell you otherwise really so it's it's more of a principle yeah than anything else um but then also there are dachshunds in the shelters we saw yeah yeah yes because another thing people don't realize is what happens and this is this is a hard truth what happens when there's a litter of puppies

and two get bought when the puppies in acute and that's why people want to get them but let's say the other three they grow past six months yeah and technically they're not sellable anymore because they're not puppies what do people think happen to to these dogs now if they're not getting bought the breeders aren't then taking them and giving them the best life they can give and spending their money to care of them no they're either getting drowned gassed so either put to sleep or they get dumped and they're found in a drain yeah or in a rubbish you know bin or just roaming around or just in a box

outside the gate of one of the shelters and that's that vicious cycle they get put there and same with, on the flip side same with the mums the breeding dogs the mums themselves, they breed maybe for two, three years

constantly litter after litter, maybe they get six, seven good litters out of them and then that's it and then they're discarded and what do you think happens to those dogs? People don't realize that they're feeding a very dark industry here where it's pure supply and demand.

And if you are buying from, and it's not all breeders. Again, we must put a caveat. Yes, there are responsible breeders out there and I love them and they're great. But again, I think there should be a limit. Like I think Singapore, for example, should maybe have five breeders that have been accredited and are liable to government screening and everything. And they have to follow guidelines to the strictest letter of the law. And they can only have a certain quota per year to breed because of what people are able to then buy or adopt.

and and like some of the scandinavian countries where no pets are sold in in pet stores until the pounds are empty until the shelters are empty or or they don't even sell at all you do have to adopt yeah because there are still it's just it just works that way i would that would be amazing to have here in singapore because again we just don't have the space the capacity the population I'm quite sure the breed is legal, to be honest. It's money. It's industry. That's the thing.

You know, I know an MP who's been trying to fight them for so long. Right. And he's never been successful. And what you've got to understand when it's a business and the money and it's not about the animals is you don't actually know what you're buying. Because you don't know how much they'll care about. And I see a lot of it posted online with people like, I've just bought this kitten or this puppy. It's really sick. They said to me that it was going to be in perfect health.

It's now vomiting or it's got bad skin condition. And that's inbreeding. That's pound hygiene, like, you know, where it's happening. Also, if the mom's been constantly breeding for two, three, four years, litter after litter, I mean, genetically towards the end, it's your litters. Yeah. The health is not there anymore. And obviously when they, again, they know what they're doing, they know what they're

doing, but they'll, they'll never tell you otherwise here or there. I mean, everything's always good and we always take care of the animals and everything's fine. And like, you know, again, those examples, I mean, it's really sad and it's really tough. Like I said, we can't shit on all of them. No, I know. You can't do that, but I think there has to be some sort of policymaking and some sort of decision-making where it just limits breeders for sure.

I mean, even there should be like an accredited list of agents, which then if we have no breeders here at all, which allow you to then get your special pedigree breeds from other countries and then get them flown in. So that would be the best way. we have zero breeders in singapore period yeah and if you want to pay you i've always i've thought about this so much yeah you have to put yourself into a list and you have to say what breed do you want right and we would go that list would then be taken to all the shelters to see if there's any

dogs that match that just by pure chance yeah obviously it's going to be a full pedigree there's probably zero chance of it happening but then you should also there should be a a whole process where you actually have to go and visit the shelters and see, and you never know, you might meet the one. And animals find you. I believe that. You can go and you can look, but I think there has to be a connection. When you meet an animal, there has to be some sort of connection.

It goes both ways, but you can kind of tell. And I think people should go and visit animal welfare groups or shelters, and then if you really can't find anything that you really, really love and you don't want to really do it that way, yes, you pay the big bucks, you go through an agent that agent goes to a to a breeder yeah anywhere in the world you can you can even choose from a list and you can find out and that's how you get your your your perfect breed if that's what you want but i think there has to be this whole system put into place i mean of course as well it's a supply and demand aspect right so if nobody bought from breeders and

everyone went to the shelters that would be the perfect scenario yeah so i guess to help people who are perhaps thinking of adopting can you give some positives to adopting up rather than i think we've just covered but like why would they choose to adopt over buying yeah i i think the first thing is always because we need to help the animals that are in the shelters that's the first and foremost um why should you pay i don't like the price two thousand dollars i mean that that feeds so many more dogs and cats in a shelter for a month or two depending on you know the scale of what they're going or or buys medicine or pays for vet bills or pays for the the the the neutering and and spaying and stuff like that like there's so so much cost yeah you know the running bill

costs a month it's like fifty thousand dollars right to take care of all these animals so a your money's gonna be better spent yeah if you're gonna you know you don't even have to spend money like i said anyways in the first place or it's a small adoption fee and even if you want to you could if you if you don't care about the money and you really want an animal just donate that money then yeah donate it to to one shelter to multiple let them deal with the money and it will help them a lot um so you're doing i think you're doing a better thing yeah again the argument is but then if we no one buys that puppy what happened what happens to that puppy yeah right so but that's what i mean slowly after a while if you do it again change that curve

the supply and demand and you don't support um the not so good breeders then yeah you know it will slowly change you can you can change the tide so what i also like about adopting process is you get a shit ton of support you probably won't get if you buy it probably not i'm assuming if it was the same in the uk you go to a pet shop you buy it see you later oh yeah once the transaction is it's a pure business transaction exactly whereas this is like how's he doing what's he up to text xx even now i'll send messages i actually jokingly text my rescue of my cat all the broken things she's broke and i was like i want a refund you have missold me a street dog and said it's a cat and she's like oh she's found her mom like it's a constant ongoing chat yeah

joey does the same thing with our rescue as well just the updates you know yeah and everyone's happy and it's much more of a little community and when you do get a pet whether it's your first one or your second one it is a stressful change yeah so that support is actually really necessary yeah and without it yeah it's especially with the puppy you know so i think that's a massive positive yeah and with and i think there's another misconception with animals in shelters that they're all like something wrong with them yeah there's nothing wrong with that i mean like my cat i mean if you're going for a designer animal she looks like a pedigree she's a luxury she's so cuddly to the point like i need space from her okay we need some time yeah you know

she sleeps in me she's crying all the time but in a nice way she just even if i have a bath she waits on the towel yeah and you know i had to be honest it is a potluck thing in that i had no idea she would be this way that's her character yeah but i did always speak to the rescuer and i said what she like and the rescuers or you know they're very they're not just gonna say oh they're all lovely they want their cats and dogs to go to somewhere good yeah so say you know they're like this this is their personality and i did go and meet her before i adopted her as well and i don't want people to think they have to like turn up yeah panic you know i want that one yeah yeah it's not you you get you get to meet them yeah and it's it's a process i mean we we we on our recent

adoption we met seven rescuers right um across three three to four months right we we really took our time because there's also a timing thing we knew we were traveling both traveling away for a while so you knew we couldn't get the new ones in until we were both back on the ground for a while um but we went we went to seven different homes basically and met a whole bunch of cats and and you know when we knew which ones were the right ones we're like okay this is it um so yeah i mean look i get it i get people still have the freedom of choice they can still do it but i also think that and this is generally with how things work in the world i don't think people know all the facts and what actually happens no and you know we've grown up in a in a an age of

convenience and and and business so you know if if you grew up and you knew that oh if you wanted to get a pet you go to a pet store that's all you know you don't really think about oh wait but is there a shelter is it this is there that um and it's just accumulated over time to the point where it's just like pretty pretty bad um at the moment or it has been and i think now with all the programs coming out and uh for the trap you don't release and and obviously you know curbing the stray population i think that's helped a lot yeah uh but it's still a long way to go because you know one one cat produces or one dog produces what three four five six i think i saw a big litter of eight that was amazing one cat had eight kittens i mean you multiply that across

the board it's it's just massive right so yeah yeah it's it's still very heartbreaking i i still find it difficult sometimes i think like whoa i just don't get how um i can't not cry when i go to the showers yeah yeah and then the the shelters are doing everything they can and they're and it's not a bad place like the animals are wagging their tail i just feel for every little soul in there yeah yeah and that's another thing to point out actually which i believe is another positive to adopting is their personalities are already known when you buy a puppy you don't know right so these they can say oh you know like with a rocket who i adopted very briefly right he has to be around other dogs he needs company all day you know and you've got this process where the volunteers and

show us we actually be able to match it as well for you a dog to suit your lifestyle what you need and like you know okay i love affectionate dogs so i love dogs that probably need less walks they're like perfect yeah right this is your guy yeah the one in the corner filing his nails i ain't going out yeah whereas puppies you get you get it home three four six months in you touch and go it is so actually it's a safer bet i like that that is why you should definitely adopt don't shop yeah i look it's a big thing i think we've got a long way to go here in singapore specifically but um you know again credit to all the the wonderful people who help yes whether they're volunteers rescuers fosterers do you want to do some shout outs before we wrap it up like is there any ones

that you well again we we've both mentioned animal lovers league because uh that's that was the first charity or the first animal welfare group and shelter i i supported but you know i i've come to learn of so many right you know uh sosd uh adsd um so cws uh i use all the acronyms because we're in singapore but uh there are so many you know even spca i mean they're wonderful too i've done some work with them yeah um we actually should be doing the best friends uh animal adoption day again this year in june okay yeah it was supposed to be if i'm not wrong it was supposed to be june 7th but we need to see whether or not is this first which was this this is where this is done actually by the wild uh wildlife reserve singapore oh okay wrs we do it at the

singapore zoo and i've never heard of this well i've done it two years in a row now oh yeah um i mean ken's ken that's where ken saw me uh was it last year the year before last year and that's the last podcast you'll ever do with me now um we had a date set yeah i'm sorry fifth of july fifth of july so that's at the moment what we're still looking at but again i'll reconfirm that but that's that's the that's the first time where um one i guess organization gets several shelters and animal welfare groups together oh wow yeah so it's like nine groups together um all together at the event where usually you'd get very independent adoption drives from each yes organization um but in this case yeah we had we had a whole bunch of them which was absolutely

fantastic and and that was really nice so when we started to do that two years ago it was amazing it was just like all right this this is fun this is getting all the groups together yeah and and getting it going so yeah who do we have last year animal lovers league uh asds uh courses for animals sosd oscars spca exclusively mongrels uh purely adoptions so that was some of the ones that were with us last year okay and you know we want to expand we want to get bigger and better we want people to come and it's fun we get performances and people can sell um you know pet stuff yeah food and and whatnot and most of them you know a lot of money gets funneled back in because it's a fundraiser perfect um and we educate people about everything um that's actually how i met

chain dog awareness uh yeah and which is why i i work now i've supported them for the last year since i met them at last year's event so so when we post this to socials we'll tag all of the groups in so that everyone who's listening who's thinking about this they can go and check out there absolutely pages and contact them um yeah we're gonna wrap it up because we could talk about this we could for hours yeah i mean if only you could adopt a really nice man as well i mean i think you know it'd be it'd be great but uh there's no day off i've adopted two cats for me that's more than enough hands are full yeah actually to be fair if i had a garden i would get a dog as well yeah i think that's another thing people have to be wary of yeah um you know

i think and someone to help like i'd have to pay a dog walker yeah you know and not because like because that dog needs a level of life like so i can't just be in all day while i'm at work that's right i mean what yeah what better of two evils if that's you know or less lesser of two evils is it is it really yeah i guess it is but yeah there should be more exactly to that look that that's a whole nother debate now as well but um yes i i i love how you wanted to to talk about this this topic um it's really cool and like you said yeah it's a a different kind of relationship the one that lasts forever yes yes and on that note this is the end of the episode thank you paul thank you and thanks guys take care everyone

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