Catalyst with Shayle Kann - A ‘rain delay’ for the energy transition [partner content]

Episode Date: January 20, 2026

In 2024, Tom Burton described the clean energy transition as entering its “third inning” — a phase defined by execution and scale. A year later, the game looks very different. In this episode, ...produced in partnership with Mintz, Stephen Lacey sits down with Burton to revisit that framework and assess the state of play for U.S. energy infrastructure heading into 2026.  Burton, who chairs Mintz’s sustainable energy and infrastructure practice, brings nearly 3 decades of experience advising developers, investors, and operators across clean energy and digital infrastructure. They begin with the immediate market picture: a surge of renewable projects racing to put steel in the ground under existing tax rules, followed by a thinning pipeline. Burton explains why 2027 and 2028 could mark a slowdown in new deployments, even as demand continues to rise. From there, the conversation turns to politics. Federal hostility toward clean energy, shifting tax credit structures, foreign sourcing rules, and the weaponization of permitting have introduced new layers of risk. Deals are harder to close, financing is more complex, and even strong projects are feeling the strain. Burton unpacks what this environment means for developers, including who’s most exposed to the current shakeout, what separates resilient companies from struggling ones, and why permitting uncertainty may now be a bigger threat than tax policy itself. The episode also explores one of the defining forces reshaping the energy sector: the rapid expansion of digital infrastructure. Burton explains how power availability, interconnection, and long-term grid planning are now central to dealmaking. The energy transition hasn’t stopped, says Burton. But it has entered a rain delay — and the companies that adapt during the pause will be the ones still standing when play resumes. These conversations were recorded at the Mintz Energy Transition Summit. Mintz has been at the frontlines of the energy and sustainability revolution since the start. For finance, policy, and market insights from the Mintz team, sign up for their newsletter.

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Starting point is 00:00:02 This is partner content from Latitude Studios. 2025 tossed the energy world a series of unexpected curveballs. Load growth surged, policy shifted, deals got harder. And in moments like this, it's worth turning to someone who spent decades studying the rulebook. That's someone is Tom Burton. He leads the sustainable energy and infrastructure practice at the law firm Mints. It's been quite a chaotic year, to say the least, although there's no guarantee that 26 won't be any more challenging than 25. So you and I talked about a year ago last fall.
Starting point is 00:00:35 We talked about where we are in the energy transition, and you said we're entering the third inning of this transition, and you defined that stage as this period of scale and execution. What inning does it feel like right now? Well, to be honest with you, Steve, I think I'd say that we're in a rain delay. For now, the U.S. market is still delivering. Renewables are racing to the finish line under the current tax rules, and we'll see a wave of projects come online over the next year.
Starting point is 00:01:03 But beyond 2026, the pipeline thins out. And so it really will be in the out years, 27 and 28, where we're going to see substantially less renewables coming online. So there's definitely going to be a slowdown. Not that long ago, the industry was enjoying a streak of clean innings, strong economics, broad support, and momentum that seemed hard to disrupt. But in 2025, everything got messier. The clean energy sector or the energy transition sector was, you know,
Starting point is 00:01:31 pitching a no-hitter for a little bit. They've gotten knocked around by the batters on the political spectrum, and now the game is getting tighter. Politics have created tension everywhere. Deals are harder and more expensive. Funding is tightened, and every project carries more risk than it used to. Tom sees it in every corner of the market. So much more creative finance and much more, how do you deal with a challenging environment from the client's customers? How do you deal with reductions in valuation, disappointments in terms of losing,
Starting point is 00:02:02 grants, for example, things like that. And that pressure shows up in Mintz's practice, as clean energy companies navigate more roadblocks, more questions, more complications. There's been more disputes, you know, that have come up, and there's been a lot more challenge, you know, in that regard. So the smooth sailing that we experienced in the prior years and the onward and upward, you know, seemingly to the moon has been, you know, called into question. I'm Stephen Lacey, and in this episode, produced in partnership with Mintz, we're trying to
Starting point is 00:02:35 read the field as we head into the new year. Tom Burton and I explore the forces reshaping the market, where energy meets digital infrastructure, how development strategies are shifting, and the question hanging over every company right now. How do you stay prepared when the game shifts around you? We're in a bit of a rain delay, and we may need to change pitchers to implement new policy, etc. in order to keep that momentum going. I love that metaphor. I'm going to continue that metaphor. So if we've got two storylines here, let's call them two teams clashing. That is team load growth and then team federal government that is increasingly hostile toward clean energy. So you have these two clashing teams.
Starting point is 00:03:27 How do you make sense of those competing dynamics where clearly load growth and the expansion of digital infrastructure is a tailwind for the energy sector and for clean energy potentially? And then you have this headwind of, you know, weaponization of regulations. from the federal government, how are those two interplaying? I think it's really hard to reconcile, to be 100% honest with you. It doesn't make sense that you would knock back $32 billion of incentives that were intended to create domestic manufacturing, onshoreing, as well as, you know, monetization, the grid, et cetera, the very thing that would help meet the demand growth. It's a, to me, a very political environment.
Starting point is 00:04:07 What I think ultimately will happen is that there will be a recognition at the government level that we are in an all of the above world in order to meet demand. We will need to bring out all of our stars. And the political environment will probably not reflect that publicly, but ultimately we will see continued growth and development of renewables in order to meet some of these needs. We saw a bit of a pullback during the first Trump administration. So I'm not surprised by some of the pullback,
Starting point is 00:04:38 and maybe it is ultimately a head. healthy thing to separate the wheat from the chaff, maybe the highest quality companies come out of this in the same way that, you know, the Googles of the world came out of the internet darkness, you know, if that makes some sense. You know, so I'm hopeful that what we'll see is a recognition that renewables and storage play a very important role to meeting grid demand and good needs. We may not see that in the news, but we'll actually see it happen in reality, you know, over the course the next few years, albeit at a solar pace than what we were experiencing in the last three or four years, which were, frankly, really an anomaly in the last 20.
Starting point is 00:05:15 Yeah, well, let's talk about what will potentially separate the strong from the weaker companies. We, of course, have seen already a shake-up in the developer world in renewables and batteries in the wake of the one big, beautiful bill. We saw alterations to the tax credit schedules, new foreign sourcing rules. What kind of developers have been most negatively impacted? Do you see more of a shakeout coming? And what characterizes the stronger companies that will come out of the other side of this?
Starting point is 00:05:47 Yeah, so I do think that there will be a shakeout. There'll be consolidation, you know, for sure. What we've seen is that the companies that are, you know, the most well capitalized, the ones that have been at it longer, who can pivot more rapidly, you know, are able to absorb these changes and rules. You know, those who are, you know, latest to the game, who maybe not be as capitalized,
Starting point is 00:06:08 or whose projects are, you know, the earliest along, you know, or the ones that are going to suffer the most, unfortunately. But there'll be then, I think, a new crop of, you know, developers, so to speak, or companies that will be, you know, deploying renewables. And that new crop is going to figure out how to model projects that will work without tax credits or will work with less tax credits. And at least that's my hope.
Starting point is 00:06:35 The FIAC rules, which are not final, yet throw a curveball and all that to some degree because if the lowest cost components are coming from places like China, it's tough to work around the tax credit loss while not having access to the lower cost components. So that's where, you know, I think there's a fair amount of uncertainty that's going to have to be sorted out. Well, one of the big stories, hopefully that will materialize this year, and we were hoping for last year before the election was permitting reform. And so, you know, these companies across the energy spectrum, they just need to see streamlined permitting to make it easier to build things. Of course, we've just seen a lot of local pushback. We saw stalled permitting reform.
Starting point is 00:07:20 We've seen some weaponization of the permitting process under the current administration. And in general, I think that there's just a desire across the political spectrum to make permitting easier. How is all this impacting the permitting story right now? Yeah, you know, that's another great question because you've got, you can think about permitting to the perspective of environmental permitting. You've got energy, you know, transmission, for example, FERC and their rulemaking. There's a variety of regulatory elements, but federal, right? And then you've got state and local. So the permitting morass is a real challenge. There is a, I think, bipartisan support to do something to streamline these processes. And at least, you know, in Massachusetts,
Starting point is 00:08:01 For example, we passed a permitting reform law in the last year that really cut down the time in which renewable energy projects could be permitted pretty substantially. You know, deadlines within a year, 15 months, automatic approvals, if deadlines are missed, things like that. Appeals going straight to our Supreme Court, our state Supreme Court, as opposed to working their way through the court systems. So the intention is to really compress that time frame while also, you know, we also, you know, honoring what are often fair protests for fair objections. But it's only in year one, so I can't say,
Starting point is 00:08:38 yes, it worked. We're hopeful that it is working, and maybe it can be a template for how to think about it from the federal perspective. But no doubt, we need to see it happen. And we need to see it applied uniformly, right, across the board. So, you know, allowing for, you know, fossil fuels or base load to jump the line, for example, it's, you know, disingenuous. But to have these, if you've got a shovel-ready project and it's ready to go, you know, and you need, and that's your obstruction, let's find a way to get through it quickly. What I do see, you know, is these rollbacks. You know, I'm looking out at the window in my office, right, and I see blue sky. My parents, when they were young, did not see blue sky. They saw gray skies. You know, if you were in Los Angeles, it was all smog, right?
Starting point is 00:09:17 The reason why we have blue skies in clean water today is because of the actions taken, you know, 50-some-odd years ago, 60 years ago, to ensure that we would have that today. And it took a long time to ultimately get to that place. And so rapid rollbacks without consideration for their impacts on people's health, really, we'll have serious oppositional impacts, you know, on future generations. And so we can't take for granted what we have, and we have to recognize that we have it because we were intentional about having it. And we need to make sure that we keep that intention for the future. Absolutely. Where does permitting stack up with the puzzle pieces of project development in terms of importance. When you think about tax credits or foreign sourcing rules or some of
Starting point is 00:10:02 these other big ticket items, how much anxiety does it produce in developers? I think it produces a lot of anxiety, particularly if you have uncertainty, right, in the sense of what we've seen in the wind targeting of the, you know, the weaponization of permitting in the wind industry, right, where you seemingly had approvals and now you don't. So I do think that permitting probably is as important, if not more important than, you know, tax credits and other incentives. You know, the incentives you can model without in width, right? So you can at least figure out what the answer is. When you don't have certainty around permitting, you don't have a project, right?
Starting point is 00:10:42 So it really doesn't even let you get out of the gate. So let's talk about the other big story of the year, and that is the rise of data center infrastructure. You have an expanding digital infrastructure practice. And what we're seeing now is, again, digital. infrastructure and energy infrastructure are becoming really connected. And the traditional data center model has been very much a real estate business and is now more of an energy infrastructure business. How are you seeing that play out and how is it shifting the way deals are getting structured? Well, that is exactly. I mean, you nailed it on the head. We have had a team on our
Starting point is 00:11:17 real estate group that's been doing data center real estate work for over 20 years, maybe 25 years at this point. And just recently in the last two or three years, you know, they've been calling upon our project finance and development team to assist on the power side. So the power side has become very, very important. And in fact, so important, it's almost the tail that wags the dog. You know, if you can't have access to power, you don't have interconnect or you don't have your own backup power or your own DG site, then you can't do the data center. There's plenty of space.
Starting point is 00:11:46 There appear to be plenty of chips, but there isn't enough power. So our team is increasingly called upon to be helpful in structuring those arrangements for our data center clients. And so do you think that this digital infrastructure sector is complementary to the energy business or is the energy business competing for resources? I think it's complementary, to be honest. There is an enormous amount of capital sitting in private equity funds and pensions and otherwise that can be deployed for these kinds of infrastructure projects.
Starting point is 00:12:21 The competition comes down to really where, say, the rate payer sits, you know, the individual homeowner. And we've seen this in places like Ireland where there's a moratorium now on data centers. Energy prices have gone up so much. Ratepayers have been forced to bear those extra costs and people are revolting, right? And so we hopefully, if we can get enough generation online and we can do it at the right pricing, and this is really unclear, we wouldn't have that same thing happen in the United States. But, you know, I suspect that there will come a day when the average, you know, homeowner is
Starting point is 00:12:53 going to look at their bill and say, wait a minute, I can't. I can't, you know, I can't afford this. Many will argue that it's not so much a generation problem as much as it's an infrastructure problem. So it's a transmission problem, a distribution problem. And if you look at, certainly in this region, how electricity costs have increased for us and actually our gas costs as well, it has been largely on the transmission and distribution side. So not so much, you know, on the generation side.
Starting point is 00:13:18 So it feels like, you know, there's enough power out there being generated. We've got to find a way to deliver it much more effectively and with better technology. So there's a lot of capital pouring into both of these sectors right now. How is it changing the way projects are being financed? You know, we talked last year about this missing middle, the capital stack that can, you know, get companies from first of a kind projects to endth of a kind projects. Are you seeing the capital stack itself changing and kind of fitting into that crucial missing middle? Yeah, I've certainly seen in the last couple of years, and, you know, this last year's no exception, more of those growth equity or gas. filling, you know, investors come into the marketplace and make bets and investments. Overall, though, you know, when it comes to clean energy, certainly this year, you know, the last three years really have been declining. Overall dollars have declined, you know, each year. And this year is no exception. And it will probably be a similar thing next year as well.
Starting point is 00:14:15 However, if those businesses that build the first project, you build the second, you know, they're going to then flip to the, you know, to a need on the infrastructure side. So the infrastructure funds at that point will be comfortable that risk has been wrung out. And that scale is really all that's left for some of these businesses, particularly when you talk about storage, for example, which I think there's a real need for. There's plenty of capital available there. So my perspective on it is that those who are able to find capital in that gap in the last year or two stand a really good chance of making it through on a future basis.
Starting point is 00:14:50 There's a lot of concern that U.S. companies, because of the current policy uncertainty, are going to start moving overseas. They might, you know, have partnerships in China. They might move to Europe, Australia, the U.K., there's a lot of courting of American companies. Do you see that happening among your clients or other companies that you're talking to? And are you concerned that once again, America will innovate technologies but not fully commercialize them? Yeah, no, I think this whole risk of innovate and not commercialize is very real and it cuts across a variety of industries, you know, not just renewables or clean energy side. I think it's going to be a real issue potential over in the life sciences and, you know, the medical field, health care. It's something we've got to figure out how to produce, you know, at scale inexpensively, without a doubt. What we're seeing on our side is foreign businesses that were investing in the U.S., buying projects, buying companies, operating companies and establishing a U.S. presence are putting those on hold and they're pulling out. So similar to, you know, like the Canadian tourism, you know, in Boston dropped substantially this last summer. You know, folks are staying home, so to speak. So I think that's having a real impact here. Will U.S. companies, you know, move overseas or leave the U.S. I don't know if they would leave at any greater rate than they have been, if that makes sense. Certainly if we don't, if we don't have reasonably priced inputs, you know, on the supply side, you know, whether it be energy or
Starting point is 00:16:22 components or what have you, there is incentive for businesses, you know, to leave. This is something we have seen in places like Europe. That is a risk for us if our costs continue to rise dramatically. So we do have to come up with the answers to meet this demand because there is risk that will happen. It may not happen this year or next year, but it will happen in the out years. You have been focused on this industry for a few decades now. Have you ever seen a moment like this where we have so many competing pressures and opportunities in the system? Great question. Absolutely not. I've not seen anything like this before. And it could go in a variety of different directions. You know, the pessimist in me says that, you know, we have a government which is trying to change the culture of America around energy.
Starting point is 00:17:11 This whole idea of internalizing costs, understanding that emissions do have impacts, you know, and pricing for those is not, you know, is not a thing anymore. It's really all about, you know, just making the dollar externalizing as many costs as possible and future health impacts can be, you know, whatever they are. The optimist in me says, you know, there couldn't be more opportunity available now than in the last 40 years, right? That, you know, with this increasing demand, it's going to create a ton of opportunity for businesses that solve the grid optimization problem that create software.
Starting point is 00:17:48 And again, AI. So this data center and AI growth can actually contribute to improving delivery on the grid. So we could see some really interesting businesses come out of that to solve those problems. We'll finally see, hopefully, deployment of geothermal in the U.S. We really haven't had a macro level deployment of geothermal. So certain areas and types of power may ultimately, now, you know, see the light of day. So, so it's, it's a time of never been greater opportunity and a time of never been greater challenge. This is a transition that's going to take generations, and we, we are very lucky to have ringside seat for it. Do your clients, the companies you work with, do they retain that same sense of optimism? Depends on the client. You know, I think some do for sure,
Starting point is 00:18:36 and I, you know, I can think of a few that are, their technologies still qualify for credits, they can transfer those credits. They can fund their operations using those credits in monetizing them. So there's real opportunity for them there. And we've got others that the economics just aren't penciling out right now. And so if that's the case, then, you know, it's hard to be optimistic. But like I said, if you can pivot, you can think hard about what the needs are, you know, and anticipate that. Then like I said, I think there's really a lot of opportunity.
Starting point is 00:19:09 Tom Burton, always a pleasure chatting. I know when the rain delay stops, you'll be right there in the middle of the game. Absolutely. Thank you. I really appreciate it, Steve. Talk to you soon. Tom Burton is the chair of the sustainable energy and infrastructure practice at the law firm Mintz. If you want to follow the insights Tom and his team are tracking in policy, markets, finance, and development, visit the Mint's website and get in touch.
Starting point is 00:19:35 The link is right there in the show notes. Thanks so much for listening.

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