Cinepals - ARCANE 2x6 "The Message Hidden Within The Pattern" Reaction & Discussion! | League of Legends

Episode Date: November 18, 2024

Arcane is back on Netflix after three years with it's second (and final Season). Piltover is left reeling after the events of the first season. Will they be able to recover and will Vi and Jinx ever be able to reconcile? Arcane season 2 stars Hailee Steinfeld (True Grit, Pitch Perfect 2, Hawkeye) as Vi, Ella Purnell (Fallout, Yellowjackets, Army of the Dead) as Jinx, Kevin Alejandro (Lucifer, Southland, True Blood) as Jayce, Katie Leung (Harry Potter series, The Foreigner, Locked Down) as Caitlyn, Harry Lloyd (Game of Thrones, The Theory of Everything, Manhattan) as Viktor, Toks Olagundoye (Castle, The Neighbors, DuckTales) as Mel, Amirah Vann (Underground, Tracers, A Jazzman's Blues) as Sevika and Ellen Thomas (Eastenders, Johnny English Reborn, Mrs Harris Goes To Paris) as Ambessa. You can watch the cut down reaction to this movie (and many others) on our YouTube channel https://www.YouTube.com/@Cinepals and the full length reaction is available on our Patreon page https://www.cinejump.com SOCIAL MEDIA ~MICHAEL BOOSE~ Instagram: @BooseIsLoose ~ACHARA KIRK~ Twitter & Instagram:  @Acharakirk  YouTube:  @Achara  ~CINEPALS~ YouTube: @CinePals Insta: https://instagram.com/TheCinePals Twitter: https://twitter.com/TheCinePals

Senna. Pals. All right, everybody, we're continuing forward with Arcane, Season 2, Episode 6, the message hidden within the pattern. Wow. Take two. The message hidden within the pattern. There we go.

Very excited to finish this off. This episode, what do you call it, this chapter? Yes. Is that what they're calling it? Yeah, we'll call it chapter. And then, yes, then we'll have to. If they're not calling it that we are and now everyone's going to call it back. Then we'll have to wait with bated breath for a week.

Okay, here we go. Oh, no, get her back. Somebody stop her. Oh my gosh, she's crazy. Oh my God, what a shot. Dang, I think is vibrating. Oh, my God, kid, no. No.

Oh, my God, like, it will destroy her. That which inspires us to our greatest good. Also is our greatest downfall. Is also the cause of our greatest evil. Damn. Oh my God. Oh, my goodness gracious. What the fuck?

I'm so mad. I'm not okay. I'm so mad. Maybe she's okay. I don't think so. I don't think we get that cute, like, anime outro, animation and have her make it out. No. They wanted to break our hearts.

They gave us, like, the cutest little girl. She's so brave. Oh, man. What's up? God do you. Yeah. This show. This show.

just like it does not pull its punches no and it continues to find deeper and better ways to make god every time I'm convinced that like things are happy we're going to have a character that gets to be happy the whole time yeah but no

this show is a tragedy nobody gets to have good things and everybody does stupid stuff that is perfectly within character yeah and I think that's the massively frustrating part is that everybody is justified in the things they're doing. Jace, I kind of want to know what the hell happened to him when he was in the void.

But overall, what makes this show so painful is that everybody is doing exactly what their character would do. Yeah. There's no like weird heroic changes. There's no shifts in motivation. It is entirely their personality and they're all working separate and it always comes together to make things worse. And it is painful to watch. It's like dramatic irony. or something is, I think, the term I'm looking for, but... Yeah, exactly. It's when the audience knows, but the characters don't. Yeah.

Yeah. It feels very poetic in a way, because it does feel like it goes all the way back to episode three of season one. Yes. Yeah. Yes. Of a character wanting to be helpful, but instead of killing a bunch of friends, she self-sacrifices in an effort to save her friends.

Oh, God. But, like, it's like Michael was saying it is so in character with Isha as well. like she's there's something just so pure and lovely about her and she you know embodies all the the positivity um and hope that children have and like this sense of being invincible perhaps and she's just like I just want to be a hero and like the look on her face that like how happy she is as she's going in she's like I'm being helpful right which goes back to like powder and how she was like but I'm helping right but she was just destroying everything.

No, but legit, this girl was helping. She was helping. Yeah. What I'm realizing is the more I think about it, it's a full parallel of that scene with powder at the end, where she's trying to help. She has the untamed hex runes or whatever. And she utilizes them in her invention to blow everything up, but it makes everything worse. And then in direct parallel to that, Isha does the same exact thing and sacrifices, but sacrifices

herself. Yeah, just like you were saying. That basically just repeated everything that you were saying. It's all good. No, it's all good. I was like, no, I got to let him get it out. Yeah. It's a full parallel.

Yeah. It makes sense, though, like you were saying, Michael, because the thing is, she didn't have anybody, right? No. I can't talk. I know. I'm like heartbroken. Because I start talking and then I start crying.

Okay. She didn't have a family. Yeah. Right? So she got one and she would do anything to protect it. Yeah. You know? like everyone she

I just love how she loved everyone and and like immediately you know she latched on to uh jinks powder as like her I don't know if she was like big sister or like mother or someone you know and then as soon as Vander was there and Vy and stuff she immediately was like

cool you're cool right so we're family yeah we chill like I love you if she calls you dad then you're my dad too yeah If you thought Jinks had demons before. Oh, my gosh. I mean, it's about to get bad. That's why, like, I, man, every time we're looking at something on the screen, if I don't see Isha, I get anxiety.

I feel like, I feel like she's my child, you know? Like, I would always just be like, where is she? Is she okay? She's our collective child. Yeah. Well, I think, you know, talking about Jinks is demons and setting things off. absolutely but now I think she has the focusing help of Vi and Caitlin because Vi and Caitlin are kind of on the same wavelength again right and so now that Jinks is kind of back in

the fold with all of them and they've kind of reconciled a little bit and Jinks has had because like a lot of what Vander and Silco talked about was how much having children to protect or having a child in your life changes your outlook on things, perhaps being with Isha has left an indelible mark on Jinx's psyche in a positive light where it's like, okay, I don't want to burn everything down, I want to listen to my friends, I want to listen to the people around me, and how can we write the wrongs that have been done without just going full chaos mode? Right, and it's like what Victor said to her, was it Victor, where he is like you could use your talents and like yeah like apply them to constructing something instead of blowing it up get ready for

your indelible mark in less than no two three weeks yeah right here we go I'm gonna be living that parent life yeah wow that was powerful that was really really powerful I had no idea that when you just saw the gauntlets and the you know the hex crystal inside of it that it was foreshadowing like this you know we were just like oh she's a smart girl like that way

they don't get stolen they don't get stolen no one can use it in that way with that power and all that I was picturing something along the lines of their fighting against the Noxians and you know they're backed into a corner and then Isha's like oh yeah I've got the hex tech crystals

and we can like load up gas up and just take everybody out not cram them into a self-destructo machine and what a way to go yeah so can victor come back is or i don't really understand the the rules around him the parameters of like it's all very like ambiguous it's vague it's the arcane yeah it's chaos at its purest form yeah anything's possible nothing is possible yeah i don't know yeah you know yeah you know

yeah i wonder as well that didn't go the direction i thought i was going to go by the way go ahead no i was just wondering as well about you know what he talked about uh regarding fate and free will I wonder if there is an element of that at play here where it's like and it's one of those things

that people have been talking about and arguing about forever you know it's like how much of how we live our lives is free will and how much of it is predestined

and so I wonder if that's something that the show will address more directly later on like if this was all just meant to be the way it happened.

I'd say it's almost like you know what they say about truth. It's always somewhere in the middle. Sure. Right? Yeah. Because in my mind everything is a chemical response, you know, going all the way back to the Big Bang, to the primordial soup, to creatures walking on land

out of the ocean, to us here making this video. It's all just like a chemical response. It's like how much control do we really have over that? It's like moment to moment we have this illusion of choice that's based on these factors that have come, since well before we were ever around. Right.

And we don't really have the scope of that. And so it's like in the moment, there is a sense of free will, but it's also destiny, you know, because of that crazy God math equation that we can't possibly fathom, you know. The infinite chaos that we cannot comprehend of the arcane. Yeah, right. Exactly. And so that is a fun thing to bring up, but it does my head in. Yeah.

No, you start thinking about that. You start trying to unpack the layers of depth. and cogitation that requires, and yeah, it does anybody's head in. Yeah. You're destined to go down an existential crisis. Yeah. 100%. Yeah.

For years, I've looked at it as like a god-sized math equation, we just can't wrap our heads around. Yep. Yep. That's it. We're just playing out this stage play. That's the entirety of, like, belief and or science and or, you know, in its earliest inception religion was trying to comprehend the things that are incomprehensible

and render them down into, like, bite-sized chunks. that our brains can understand, you know? And then you have people like Victor who have touched the arcane and the brain has expanded to the infinite expanse and can see all. And then you've got people like Jase who have touched that infinite, infinite expanse and, like, seen the opposite of it.

But he was fulfilling Hemerdinger's wish, though, wasn't he? Kind of, yeah. You know, he's like, we can't have this. It's going to make things far worse. Well, I think that's the thing, right? And that's what Victor is talking about. And also what the show has been showing throughout is like, you know, we talk about the duality of the characters, but it's also about like the duality, perhaps not the duality, but like just all the different facets of human nature and how things are often two sides of the same coin.

Like you've got love and hate, like intrinsically tied together. And so the reason why Victor's Utopia it wasn't going to work out is just because as humans, that's just not possible. Like we have that darkness and that light within us and you can't go all the way one way.

It's just not sustainable. I love that detail of the gear, by the way. Yeah. Like they had that right at the beginning. I was wondering, I was like, what the, what does this mean? Well, it's like, it's beautiful chaos on one side with just this crazy collage of colors.

Yeah, the other thing stuff. And the other side is just pure. Yeah. And I'm like, oh, that's such an interesting, if that's not something that you can buy on Amazon at some point, that's what are you doing? Right, yeah. Like, you got to be able to get that.

Like, that's the memorabilia we need. Yeah. It's frustrating because, like, you see what's possible and then. But, like, it's even the same with, like, Vander and Silco, like, starting out with that desire for good or even Victor. and Jace, it's like the purity of the

desire, the desire to want to do good to change the world, but it inevitably gets corrupted along the way greed comes into it or, yeah, just things happen. And it doesn't work out exactly

the way that you envisaged when it was like this idealistic thought that you had in your mind. And it's just like that's sadly that seems to be human nature and I don't know if that's ever something that we can change. Yeah.

This show is so deep. The show is so deep. It's so good. It's so well written and just so painful for it. Yeah. They just want to break our hearts, man. They do.

It's a tragedy. Every time, you see the mole-hugging vander and it's like, this is nice. But I know. Yeah, you know it's coming. That you're going to rip my heart out. Yeah. And they did.

I mean, I said at the beginning of this episode, I was like, well, we've got a lot of, a lot more episode for this stuff to go wrong. Yeah. Well, I mean, at least they had that moment, though. That's true. Exactly. It was beautiful. It was beautiful. It was fleeting, but it was really beautiful.

When Vander turned the final time, just the beautiful way they animated the sorrow on his face. Like, you could see, like, the monster was pouring out of him, but just on his face was just constant. grief-stricken look of like I cannot help myself please you have to release me it's the only way yeah right it's rough the animation they do they do so well at like showing rather than telling you know you have to have anybody say like oh he's hurting we got to put him down you just you have that one close up of like the lava tears melting out of his face and you understand completely vander has gone through it so many times so many times so many times god yeah yeah Like, his story is truly a tragedy.

Poor guy. Like, he just, yeah, he just needs to rest. He just needs to rest. Finally. Guy needs a fucking nap. He just needs a vacation. Yeah. I just think of Arnold Schwarzenegger coming over the gears in Terminator 2.

Like, I need a vacation. Dang. This show, where is it going to go the next three episodes? I don't know. I really enjoyed the little things in this episode, though, with powder. and by just like the little interactions and seeing, you know, how far they've come and kind of, you know, maturing.

Yeah. It's like we got to see stuff that I, like, I didn't never think that we'd get to see. It's like, I didn't, at the end of season one, I didn't know where we were going to go. And to have these, like, simple moments of them just being nice to each other. It's like, you actually really need that.

I don't know what for, because there's something coming horrible next three episodes. Inevitably, we'll see if, like, like I'm talking about, if the loss of Isha does drive jinks to, join with Caitlin and Vi, or if it just drives another wedge between them? I don't think it would drive another wedge between them. I don't see it going that direction, but I do see her being grief-stricken.

And I don't know how that plays out. I can see a lot of rage. I don't know how you, now I'm like, how do you get three more episodes out of this? Yeah. Honestly. I was like, there's so much to wrap up. And now I've gone the opposite direction. I'm like, how do you?

Because what the hell's going on with Jays? I have so many, like, I have questions about that. Yes. It's like, what's going on? Is he just totally. driven by whatever he sees in his mind of like, yo, we got to get rid of this. It's just going to make things bad.

Because, like, they saw what, I don't know if he was able to see it himself, but obviously Heimerdinger said it to ad nauseum about what happened in the past with the arcane. Yeah. Yeah. It, like, destroys. Like, wherever it goes, destruction follows. So I'm wondering if Jay saw a glimpse of, like, the after effects of the arcane and, like, the whole

history of, like, what it's done to civilizations. But a Victor, I don't know if Victor's gone from the show, but, like, that whole Scientology crew getting wiped out like that, like, I was not expecting that. No. Well, yeah, there was always something uncomfortable for me about seeing them, even though they're like, super peaceful, very nice, calm. There's something about that.

I think it's just like, it's so weird. It's off, put it. And I just like, whoa. I mean, because I guess you're so used to dealing with, with bullshit that peace looks icky. It doesn't look icky It's just suspicious There's something unsettling about people Who seem far too calm

Yeah And far to Yeah like you said at peace It's off settling because we're always Because we're individuals We're always looking for individuality And we're always kind of looking for What angle are you playing?

What are you feeling? What am I getting a read off you? And if everybody reads the same Or doesn't read like they want something from you We immediately get suspicious because we're taught to be suspicious of people who don't seem like they want anything for me. Okay, I won't give you the L. Ron Hubbard book, okay? I was trying to help you get clear, but fine. Okay, message loud and clear, Michael. I don't know how many times I need to keep

teaching you this lesson. No, I see what you're saying. Yeah. I feel you. There is a part of me that's a little bit, you know, when I meet certain people who are part of a religious organization and they seem to have that level of clarity and peace. And I do have a sense of uneasiness, but also jealousy. I'm like, what does that feel like to feel free from all the things that are inside my soul? Yeah. Certainty. Yeah.

Like, you are so certain in your bliss. Like, that doesn't make any sense to me. It doesn't resonate with me. I just need a drop of chaos, you know, just to feel a little bit comfortable. With everything going on politically, I'm like, this makes sense. Like, this madness makes more sense to me. I am comfortable here. Peace?

No. No. No. No. No. No. I really am enjoying this so much and all of the way is, it's wrecking my heart. Yeah, it's breaking on hearts, man.

Just tearing me apart, Lisa. You guys, thanks so much for hanging out with us. I'm Jabby Koi. This is Michael Boos. Achara Kirk. Peace out.