Cinepals - ECHO Episode 3 Review!

Episode Date: January 11, 2024

Jaby Koay and Achara Kirk watch and review the third episode of Marvel's latest show Echo which is airing on Disney Plus and Hulu. This is a spoiler review for Echo 1x2 Reaction. Echo stars Alaqua Cox as Maya Lopez, Vincent D'Onofrio as Wislon Fisk / Kingpin, Devery Jacobs (Reservation Dogs) as Bonnie, Cody Lightning as Biscuits, Chaske Spencer as Henry, Graham Greene as Skully and Tantoo Cardinal as Chula.  Watch our cutdown reaction on https://www.YouTube.com/@CinePals or watch the full length reaction on our YouTube memberships or on https://www.Patreon.com/JabyKoay   Music from https://www.EpidemicSound.com

I can hear your nose a jara. You whistling nose. Can you give me a tissue, please? Thank you. Sorry, that was quite rude. I apologize. What are you even talking about? I yelled at you.

May I have a tissue. I'm sorry. That was a bit aggressive. I don't know what happened. Because I was just like, can I have a tissue, please? It's very aggressive of me. I shouldn't have done it that guy.

Excuse me. Hold on. Oh, Jesus. I was a bit much. Hello. I don't want to stay like how much quieter you can possibly get. No, it's just because I yelled at you and I'm sorry. You're always making fun of my wistly nose.

You do have a wistly nose. This makes music. Cina. Pals. What is going on, everybody? I am Jabby Koeh, joined by the one, the only, the Dirky Kirk, Dunkirk, a char Kirk. And so we are watching Echo, echo, echo, echo. Wow, that joke never gets old.

I wonder how many other YouTubers, people in general, dads have made. that joke. You guys, thanks so much for joining us. Make sure you hit the subscribe button, bell icon, all notifications, pretty please. Vota this upa. This intro has gotten way too long, so we're just going to start the show. Oh, cliffhanger. Dang it. So thrilling. Tell us how you really feel, Jabby Coe. The show, it's got a beginning, middle, and end. I don't know, man. There were some cool stuff in the roller skating rink, I suppose. It feels so little. little bit discombobulated to me. Is that just me that feels that? It feels a little clunky.

Like even in the action sequences there, it's like they have these ideas and I'm like, okay, cool, I see what you're doing. But it doesn't feel like, I don't know, did they not have enough time to do it? Or is it just like half-hearted when they're doing it? I'm not sure. You know, like they had cool shots. For instance, I think she was sending someone into a pinball machine or something or a through an arcade glass and it was like overhead. I'm like, that's a dope shot. I like that. They had some cool ideas. And then they had a mom. where it's like it's her perception without any sound as she's going through the fight. I'm like, I feel like there's like a lot of ideas and they're just trying to get them all in there.

You know what I mean? And it feels like there's a way they could have gone about this that felt more effective. For instance, they got the Rob Zombie music playing. And they couldn't make a decision between whether or not they wanted to make it feel like a horror movie or see her take these guys down. So they just kind of did both. It's like, what is the tone you're setting? It's just, it's inconsistent. This is all the subconscious stuff that you're kind of giving the audience.

And so it just feels kind of like a blender as opposed to a mood. Right. Well, even with that Rob Zombie Music or whatever, I was a little bit confused because like there was maybe one person or, yeah, about one person who was like trying to plug his ears or two people who were like, oh, it was really loud. And then everyone else, it was kind of like, yeah, we're fine. And so I was left thinking like, okay, either it.

it's not that loud, or they're just really sensitive to sound, or, like, everyone else is, like, half-deaf. Well, yeah, I mean... So, I didn't understand why it was such a big deal to try and turn off the music, you know? That speaks to the lack of commitment to a choice. Yes. You know, like, it should be everyone, it has the same effect on everybody except for Echo, or, you know, whatever her name is. Maya. Maya.

And so, yeah, the way that I feel like that could have been done is, like, you have to make a decision. Either it's from her perspective so that you just take out all the audio and it's her kind of observing the guys going through and taking them out one by one, right? And so that creates sort of a scary feeling because you're in the driver's seat of her head, like being John Malkovich,

and you're sort of experiencing her experience of being an assassin and having to like visually look out harder because you don't have your audio to work off of, right? So there's that. Or you have the Rob Zombie music, front and center and you're going about it kind of like the introduction of Batman like actually Batman and Batman begins where it feels like almost like a horror film where these guys are just getting snatched up and taken out it's like who's doing this

where are you here you know like that kind of buildup it's like that is and so it feels like just a mishmash of stuff in not the most elegant way for me that's my feeling about it they did have some cool moments the choreography and whatever when she was like fighting guys and like kicking them and like blood flying on to the the disco ball or whatever. I'm like, okay, there's some neat stuff happening. I like the way she moves. Yeah.

Like the decisions that they've made in terms of how this character moves, like her movement language, I really enjoy. Like there is a certain sort of coolness and elegance to the way that she executes those moves and how she uses her prosthetic foot to do things to great effect. You know, like I enjoy that. I think that they could have made better use of her inability. to hear stuff like maybe it's they feel like it's risky but it's like you're already i feel like you're already taking a risk with this kind of show where you're forcing people to look at subtitles a lot so

might as well go all the way and you know and have a maximum amount of fun with it and so like you you have whatever she's able to hear you know through vibrations and stuff like that and have a lot of the fight seem take place like that but maybe they're afraid it's not going to have as much impact i don't know but they had like a fleeting second of where you just had her audio as she was fighting. And I'm like, why not just go all the way like that? That would have been interesting to me, you know? Sure, sure. But they made the choices that they made. Well, they were trying to split the difference between that and the stylistic way of doing it. And I'm like, that's cool, I guess. I would have rather just them picked one and commit to it and do it. You know, either go full

stylistic or go full from her perspective. Because then you're painting a picture. It's like you're creating a mood and a vibe. And right now it just feels like a lot of stuff. I'm still not a fan of the grandmother actress when they had that shot of her with all the other Native Americans in the gathering and she's kind of looking off to the side I think what I'm supposed to be thinking

is she's thinking about echo I think that's what I'm supposed to be feeling right but for me when I'm watching that I'm like it just feels like she's looking off to the side I'm not really getting the sense of she is concerned about somebody sure do you know what I mean yes and there's a lot of that in the show

where I feel like people are just sort of being place like mannequins and it's not i'm not really feeling a vibe i'm not really feeling emotional contact or content with these characters sure you know is that just me i don't know like okay no i mean i i i do kind of yes i see what you're saying there and i don't entirely disagree so okay there's that i want to like it you know i'm watching and i'm like i want to be into this she's a cool character no i think she's cool for me i'm really enjoying um a lot of of the Native American touches that they've added to this, like that scene you were talking about where you didn't like

what the grandma was doing. I can see that. After a while, it got to be a little bit strange because it was just like, oh, okay, she's literally just staring in a really intense way off to the side. But I was enjoying the music. I thought that like the song was really nice. Obviously, I don't know the significance of that song,

but I was like, oh, that's really cool. kind of like how they're trying to weave the culture into the show and then the fact that she gets given that really cool, like, thing to put on her leg, you know, to kind of represent her people and all that. I thought that was pretty awesome. This is going to be a bit of an ironic statement, but it just lacks spirit, you know? It's like you watch something like True Detective, the first season. There is like a spirit to that show.

There's a feeling. There's a mood. I've never seen it. Oh my God, it's fantastic. And it's like, there is a vibe that you're feeling the entire time. This does not have that whatsoever. There's no vibe. There's no attitude that I'm being wrapped up in.

It's just, like, stuff is happening. I'm just trying to find positives. No, but I'm saying, like, okay, my hope is that, like, the creators of the show, hear what I'm saying, you know, hopefully, so that they can take that as a tiny, like, grain assault, you know, to inform their next move. That's all. Because that's the only way.

way you get better they have some cool ideas but after that you got to you know execute it well and so that's my whole thing is there's just no tone there's no voice everything is just kind of a mishmash and no voice that's ironic no and you know what i mean yeah even with the beginning it's like it was half a half measure of like okay we got this cool idea yeah it's like that that is a cool idea i agree with you it's a very cool idea it's just the way it was just the way it was just kind of like it was funny enough it was the same issue i know that i'm going to be the only one that feels this way, it was the same issue I had with much of WandaVision because they wanted to make it feel like an old show, but then they were doing like things and putting the camera

in places that you would never do in an old show. So it kind of took me out of it. I'm like, what do you either commit or don't, you know? But I guess most people aren't going to be as bothered by that stuff. No, not at all. Although like speaking of like, you know, other shows or whatever that have done it not as well or better, I thought that they did a good job of that in werewolf by night. Yes, they did. I agree. But, you know, if you want to go for something older, you got to, like, commit to it.

You know, the way you look at the in-between portions of Better Call Saul, where it feels like an old infomercial or old VHS thing, it really feels like old footage. You know, they committed to it. And they might have even shot it with old cameras and stuff like that. And it looks great. So when you're aiming for something like that, you've got to find a way to make it feel as authentic as possible. And right now, it feels kind of like more of a nod to that era as if it's a way.

opposed to feeling like footage from that era. Sure. Yeah. Mm-hmm. We're getting hints of Maya's connection to her ancestors and stuff like that. And I think that music would have been a great way. Like, you're talking about how much you like the music from time to time. I feel like they could have gone harder in with the soundtrack to kind of guide us towards that feeling of spirituality and connection to the ancestry and stuff like that in the way

that it's edited a little bit more, like, aggressive in that. direction because right now it just kind of comes and goes i'm like all right cool whatever it's like it kind of just reminds you like this is what's coming as opposed to it feeling like that's actually informing anything i don't understand sorry okay in the scene with the where where she's sneaking around the guys with the with the black lights you know i don't know it feels like there are opportunities for her to get hit by the connection that she has and that sort of informs her movement and stuff like I don't know really what this trajectory is for this character because... But didn't they do that in the scene when she was using her roller skate gun and she was...

Just to set it up? Yeah. But like, then what? It was again a half measure. It's like, what are you doing here? You know what I mean? It feels like, oh, remember that? Yeah. And then it goes away. It didn't really feel like it had bearing on what was going on.

It felt like just a reminder to the audience. Hey, remember she's got a connection. Okay. And what? What's the trajectory of the show? Because she's, I'm trying to look at it like from a writing standpoint. What does this character want? She wants to become queen pin, right? But what is actually going to happen with this character? She's going to find her connection to her spiritual ancestors

and become a more powerful version of herself, blah, blah, blah. But I'm not really getting the, you know, Avatar Last Airbender sense of like this slowly leveling up of her connection to her. You know what I mean? Yeah. When you play a video game, you know, you get, you know, a power here and there. I don't understand what you're saying. Yeah, I'm just not getting that.

It feels like whatever she's doing here, she's already been capable of doing that. There's nothing like new really happening. I think I disagree. Okay. Because in the scene on the train, in the previous episode, like she didn't realize that she had that strength when the glowy things came out of her hands.

She didn't realize that she could be that strong or whatever. And then here, I felt that the super accurate aim was probably a new thing. Okay, I'm glad you brought that up with the hand thing, right? So let's say she's going about this situation and she's fighting the guys in the skater rink because she didn't go about it perfectly. She was beating them up, but she was also getting hit.

But maybe the move is she's not doing very well. Like she's capable, but these guys are kind of messing her up. And she's down on her knee and she's not sure what to do. She's feeling cornered and she looks at her hands and they start glowing and she's feeling that connection and she stands up and now she's fucking them up. You see what I'm saying? that for a fight with Kingpin then.

Why not have it here? This is halfway through the show. Because these guys are like freaking goons, okay? You don't blow your wad on goons. You're not blowing your wad. They showed you from episode one of Avatar the Last Airbender, Ang's connection with being, you know what I'm saying? Like there's ways to go about it where you're not blowing your wad, but you're giving the audience a taste of it.

Okay. That's all. Her pushing the train back is okay, great. I need more than that. You know what I mean? Sure. So, I don't know. I'm just not feeling it.

That's all. But I'm glad you are. I'm glad you guys are. Honestly, this episode wasn't my favorite. Even like the dialogue with Pops or the grandpa where he gave her the things. And they're talking and I'm like really paying attention to the dialogue. And I'm like, what have they said here that's new? Sometimes you're allowed to talk about something that's already familiar and achieve something new.

Through the familiarity. and maybe this time the character's looking at it differently. But she didn't go to her grandma. She went home. And so I'm like, what was the point of all that? I'm genuinely asking you for the alternate perspective and tell me I'm wrong because I want to be wrong here. Like, I'm watching that scene.

I'm just like, I don't know what the point of this dialogue is. They're saying nothing new. They're like, he's restating what the grandma feels. She's like, she's never, the grandma's never actually said that she's brokenhearted. about Maya. She was upset that her daughter died and she didn't like the man

that she chose to spend her life with. And so in her grief, she was like, yeah, you guys can piss off. Like, I don't want anything to do with you. You may leave. And so I don't think it's been said outright and correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think it's been said outright

that she misses Maya or anything like that. And so I think that information... Well, the show also... That hasn't been shown to us either, though. In a hint, like him saying it is the problem of, I'm not disagreeing with you, but it's a problem of talking instead of showing, telling instead of showing, sorry. Yeah, but that was the purpose was to tell, not show. And how did that affect Maya? What did she do as a result? I think it gives her something to think about, sure, she didn't go and see her grandma right away, but then the show gave us a moment where it's like, oh, clearly grandma's thinking about her.

you know, you're supposed to project that she's thinking about her and then, you know, Maya's kind of going, oh, okay, but like who's going to have less of an ego and actually reach out to the other? Maybe they never will because they both are too, you know. All right. I feel like there's ways they could have done this and made it interesting and told me that visually.

Sure. But, you know, like, for instance, this is the worst idea possible, but I'm just going to throw it out there. Maybe, like, at the gathering, maybe the grandmother's got a necklace, a locket of some kind, right? And at the gathering, she's like not really in it

with everybody, and she's got something in her hand. And we look, and in her hand is a locket that we've seen the entire show, and it's Maya. Like, okay, she's thinking about Maya. Okay. Something, that's an idea, right? And then, oh my gosh, Maya is actually walking up to the gathering

and she sees her grandma, but the time's just not right, and she leaves. But at least, like, that dialogue got us something. Like she was at least considering talking to her grandmother But she took a baby step in that direction But she's just not just not ready for it Yeah

They had all the ingredients there To make this so much better I feel like it was rushed That's the thing though It's easy for us to say like Oh they could have just released it later They could have done blah blah blah But like you don't know

What's going on behind the scenes If someone at Disney or Marvel or whatever Is like no we have to release this now because of reasons. X, Y, Z, things are coming out or the writer's strike and actors strike because things to be delayed and, yeah.

As the guy paying for Disney Plus each month, that's not my burden. My burden is to like watch a show and make sure I have a good time. And I'm not. Like, it's okay. It's all right. You know?

Yeah. They're charging like triple what they did when this first launched. So my expectations go a little bit higher. Sure. You know what I mean? Sure. Anyway, all right.

I just want Daredevil back. Is that too much to ask? I was thinking that. I was like, oh, can we have some Daredevil, please? Some Matt Murdoch? Sure. Bring him back. Yeah.

I know we're getting a show, but still. Like, they teased us with him. And then it's like, ah, just kidding. He's not, he's not back. But you get, you get Kingpin now. You get Wilson Fisk for like a second. And I think, I think maybe that's what this show is, is missing right now.

It's like, okay, can you bring the big bad guy now? Like, we need him. I understand what they're doing, though. The goal is to get you wrapped up in this other world, to know her world. That's the goal. And I'm like, I get that. For a show that's about her connection, I have no connection. You know, I just don't, I'm not having a connection with what's happening.

Sure. I feel completely disconnected. We needed more biscuits, that's what. Yeah, something. It's kind of going, you know what I mean? Actually, that's a good point that you just brought up. It's kind of going a bunch of different directions, and it feels sort of like, I understand what the goal is,

but somehow yet it still feels kind of aimless, you know? Sure. Anyways, you guys, thank you for hanging with us. If you're still here. I'm hoping episode four and five, like, it's entirely possible four and five just blow me away. Yeah. You know?

I like it to. I would, me too. I know that doesn't sound like because of people, just think I'm a curmudgeon. I would like four and five to be amazing and blow me away. So, fingers crossed, and you guys stay healthy. All right, I'm Jappy Coy. This is a charic. Peace out.