Cinepals - THE ACOLYTE Episode 8 FINALE REACTION! | A Star Wars Series | Disney Plus

Episode Date: July 17, 2024

In an age of light, a darkness rises. Join Jaby and Achara for their reaction to “The Acolyte” Episode 8. Set 100 years before the rise of the Empire, this gripping Star Wars series introduces Osha, a former Jedi apprentice turned meknek—a cosmic grease monkey with secrets to unravel. As sinister forces emerge, respected Jedi Master Lee Jung-jae faces off against a dangerous warrior from his past, Amandla Stenberg (The Hunger Games & The Hate U Give). This series also stars Jodie Turner-Smith (Queen & Slim), Joonas Suotamo (Star Wars: Episode VII - The Force Awakens), Amy Tsang (Velvet Buzzsaw), & Carrie-Anne Moss (The Matrix, Memento, Fido, Silent Hill: Revelation & Jessica Jones). But beware—the path they tread is shrouded in mystery, and nothing is as it seems. Buckle up for a thrilling ride through the High Republic era, where ancient enigmas collide with galactic intrigue. The Force awaits, and the stakes have never been higher.   You can watch the cut down reaction to this movie (and many others) on our YouTube channel https://www.YouTube.com/@Cinepals and the full length reaction is available on our Patreon page https://www.Patreon.com/JabyKoay   SOCIAL MEDIA LINKS ~CINEPALS~ YouTube: @CinePals Insta: https://instagram.com/TheCinePals Twitter: https://twitter.com/TheCinePals   ~ACHARA~ Twitter & Instagram: @Acharakirk YouTube: @Achara

Sina. Pounce. All right, we made it. To the last episode of Ackolite Season 1, here we go. What? Well, you have a student, you have a companion now, got a friend. Interesting, interesting. Oh

Sorry to disturb you, master Ah We need to talk Oh shit Oh For some reason I just kept thinking That she was secretly Like

Sith Because there's just something about her Where I'm like This lady I don't trust her completely The big thing that was like Creating a R-R-R-R-R-on the internet was in episode one

There was this line I don't remember, I'm probably misquoted, but I'll paraphrase as best as I can, which is they, the Sith haven't been heard of over a millennia or something like that. Like an absurd amount of time. This takes place 100 years before that, right? She is obviously aware of an evil, her student turned to evil. Is she just not connecting it to the word or idea of a Sith? And that's the loophole?

I have no idea. I don't know. That's the question that was begging in my mind. It's like, okay, clearly you're aware of like his essence. and doesn't that translate into Sith in her mind? Like, that's where I'm a little bit confused. It's ambiguous enough that I guess they've got a way out, you know, and it still sort of makes sense

and it's not inconsistent with episode one. But the thing is, all the characters that had to die died except for her. I guess they're leaving it open for a second season, which I would say with the ending of this season, I'm like, okay, I might be curious enough to watch a second season of this. I thought that this last episode was actually really cool. I had cool action. It had cool action.

Emotional content, I don't know that I was 100% on board with, but the action was cool. Well, yeah. Let's talk about the action then, since we both agree that we really liked it. Yeah. That is the level of action that I've been wanting consistently throughout the show. Like, they showed us a bit of that at the beginning. And then, yeah, and then maybe a little bit throughout. But, like, in this episode, they were like, it's the finale.

Let's just, like, go all out. And they really did. And it was so cool because it was, like, it was fast. It was gripping. It was thrilling. There were moments where you're like, oh, my God, you know. They look like they're going to get hurt. Someone going to die.

Like, it was really cool. It was also stacked well in a classic Star Wars sense. Like, if you watch episode one, actually. You know, the climactic last 20 minutes or whatever, you're alternating between like three or four different action sequences. And George Lucas likes to do that. I think they did the same thing in Return of the Jedi. It's like you have just concurrent action sequences happening.

And here it was concurrent fight scenes. And unlike, I think it was episode five that had happened or episode five, I can't remember. But there was like concurrent fights happening earlier in the season. And it wasn't always like my favorite because, One fight was definitely way more interesting than the other fight. Sure, yeah. Whereas here, the stakes were extremely high for both fight scenes at the same time, which is how it should be.

And I thought that that was well done. And the editing was well done when you were alternating between the two because of similar positions in the frame, the composition. It was really well thought out. Yeah, I like that. I thought that was, they had some really cool ideas that they executed here. And then they had one moment, which I try to imagine what it's like for someone who has like zero martial arts. Well, you seem to be quite.

impressed by it. But like, as someone who has a martial arts background, a stunt background, choreography background, like filmmaking background, they did this little thing where the stunt lady did a cradle, like where she goes under her hands and then comes back up. They call it a Chinese get-up. That's another word for it. And there was like some action happening at the same time, which felt very HK, Hong Kong type, like classic Hong Kong fight scene type stuff, which was beautifully fucking executed. Like, that was great. I was really, impressed by that. And so there were some flurry moments where I'm like,

okay, there's not a lot happening. It's just like, but like for the most part, like it was all very like well orchestrated. You're talking about the fight scene between OSHA and May specifically? Both. Both. All of it. Yeah, no, but like the cradle happened between I believe OSHA and May. It did, yeah.

But the, there was a little moment on like the bridge outside. It just felt like flurry, you know. Sure, sure. I'm guilty of doing to I have a lightsaber fight scene where I did something similar, not realizing I was doing that. Only afterwards where I was like, oh, I wish I didn't. But anyway, outside of that

one moment, it's like, the fight scene was just very thrilling to watch. I thought they did a fantastic job with it. It was. And like, the thing that I always really enjoy is when they are very specific with the movement of the characters. Like, the way that Kimir fights, he has

his own movement style. Like, he's really strong. He comes in hard. It's like, boom. I mean, look at his muscles, right? It's like, And then soul has his way of moving as well. It's quite graceful too. But I really enjoyed the fight scene between May and OSHA because they really leaned into the whole twin thing

because they were just doing the same moves but just on opposite sides. I liked that. That was really, really cool to me because I thought like it showed conceptually how they are the same person. And I love when you're able to just convey an idea physically, you know?

So, like, hats off to the stunt team, the choreographers, the, everyone involved in that because that was incredible. Yeah. I mean, there are two halves of the same hole, I guess, right? And so it actually makes a lot of sense that they would be borrowing each other's moves. Yeah, just doing the same thing. I was like, that's just so cool to watch. It was beautifully done. That's some stuff I would go back and watch again.

Yeah. And it's stuff that I would hope to see in other Star Wars projects, like that level of creative. and choreography. The thing with, what's the guy's name? The Sith. Kimir, right? Well, I don't know.

I just know him as a Sith. I didn't bother to commit his name to memory. Sorry, but he's got the little junior lightsaber thing. Yeah. I thought that was like... The Diddy and the Daddy? The Did he?

I thought that was kind of neat. You know what they were doing there? I like that. I like that it was like irregularly sized as well, you know? Because like, what's his face? Darth Mall. He had the whole situation with like the double, right? Yeah.

And so I. I think it's cool that he's got something, but it's something that we're not familiar with, you know? That's awesome. The thing that kind of threw me, going back to, I guess, the story and emotional content is that during that whole sequence

where it was May walking, I got a little confused between the twins by the end, but I think it was May walking up to Seoul going like, wait a second, what did you do? And she had the lightsaber on her hand, it was turning red. It was OSHA.

OSHA. Yeah. Well, whoops. Anyway. Like, emotionally, I knew what was going on, but like the name's just, I got, I was starting to get lost, but I'm still jet-leg from Japan. So when she was walking up, there was a lot of talking happening,

and off-screen is the Sith dude, and I'm just like, is he just standing by watching this happen? Yeah, he's just, you know, he's just waiting to see where the chips fall. All right. He's just, you know, eating popcorn in the back there and just enjoying seeing what's going to happen. I got a tiny bit Hollywood, I suppose, but it was fine. Oh, the one thing I didn't like in the fight scene is not. actually choreography. It was performance. The actress was like screaming. I understood what they

were going for. They were going for like she's outraged. She's angry at her twin. She's just like wants to murder her. Right. And so that's what they were trying to convey while the opposite twin is like, like Neo, right? Like super, super chill and like very one mode. And so I understand the dichotomy of what they were trying to illustrate to us. I just think they went a little too far on one of them like they went full retard you know what I mean um as so I was like it would have been cool if they just dialed it back a little bit and made it a little bit more gritting like her teeth just like I still convey her rage but just like I don't know it just felt like overacting for that for the other half of it if that makes any sense how did you feel about it because you're like

oh you know Oxford and all that so I honestly I didn't care so did it impact you one way or the other that scene specifically um when she was screaming it left so little of an impression on me that after watching that episode honestly it doesn't even stick in my mind. So I can't tell you either way how I feel, but I will say that there were definitely things in the episode where I was feeling like I wanted to have an emotional response and it was starting to happen. But there was just something where I'm like, yeah, it's not really landing with me emotionally. Okay. So I'm glad you said that. Yeah. Because there were moments during the show where I'm like,

okay, this is supposed to make me feel something. Yeah. And then I'm like, well, I don't feel shit. And so I, but you're sort of my barometer for that. So I kind of like looked over at you. I'm just like, I was trying not to make it obvious I was looking at you. And you had nothing. And I'm like, okay, it's not just me.

And so. Yeah. I mean, it's, it is. You can see what they're trying to do. And, you know, the actress playing the twins, like, she's doing her best. You know, she's giving everything, and I appreciate the hard work that she's put in. Because it's not easy doing that stuff, you know, like getting to those emotional debts.

Same with soul, you know, he's going there. They're all going there. But for whatever reason, it's like, it's just not landing, you know. I get what you're saying. Yeah. I think that a lot of people are going to identify with what you're saying. Yeah, we've come this far in the show. You know, it's eight episodes, and still there's like some sort of emotional disconnect.

where it's like, cerebrally, I understand what you're trying to do, but it's just not. Well, I think that the reason why there's a cerebral disconnect is because you didn't know who you were rooting for. There was never a real clear protagonist in the show. It was just stuff that's happening. But I also find that very interesting as well. I'm not saying it's good or bad. I'm just saying that's what happened. And so when they're trying to elicit emotion in you, it's like, but you were never really rooting for that.

Like, were you rooting for it? I don't know if I was ever really rooting for that. Yeah, I don't know. I just think that conceptually, I appreciate what they were trying to do with the show. Like, they were trying to give us a story where it's like there are different sides to the story, right? And so we start out thinking that soul is this upstanding, wonderful, kind Jedi. and then in the end you find out that he did this awful thing

and till the end he thought that his actions were justified because he was trying to save the twins and it's like really but what were you really doing you know like you were separating them from their families and you came in thinking that you knew better and maybe in all honesty you didn't

but I thought that I don't know the the lady's name, the green lady. I thought that what she said was really apt. It's like he was compassionate, kind, wonderful Jedi and human being. But he was also capable of doing something really bad, you know, really heinous. And I think that's something important to remember because not everything in life is black and white. In fact, very few things are.

And so both things can be true. you can be a kind, wonderful human being and you can also be someone who does something terrible to someone else. And so I thought that was interesting. And then also having the end of it be her spinning this little story where in the beginning they spun a story,

the Four Jedi made up a story about like what happened and then that came to bite them in the ass, right? But then now she is making up the story and making him a scapegoat. So it's like everything in our lives is just stories that people tell us. Yeah. Yeah. So I thought conceptually it was really interesting. Yes.

But it's just not. It's not hitting the emotions, that's all. There's a lot of thoughts I have. To what you're saying, I liked a lot of the ideas they were aiming for. Yeah. It's just that in the execution, especially like with soul. Okay. I sort of mentioned this before

and I don't know to what extent I mentioned it but a lot of people were praising his acting throughout the series saying he's basically carrying it and I'm like all right but the way he's performing it I wouldn't trust him with my Pokemon collection like my cards

I just wouldn't trust him with anything I wouldn't trust him with my child I wouldn't trust him with my car I wouldn't trust him with shit he's just so emotional it's like he's just so emotional It's like he seems so You're talking about the character

Not the actor Yeah the character Like he seems He seems so unsteady From the word go Like Yeah you're not wrong There wasn't a single instance

Where he seemed like he had it together Is all I'm trying to get at Sorovsky is what I was actually thinking of initially Yeah I was like my Sorovsky collection Because it's precious You know I don't actually have Swarovsky

I know But like I wouldn't trust him with any Anything anything He seemed so unsteady mentally and it's like you're a Jedi and you had paddouins and you have like people you teach and it's like I don't trust you though you seem to go against everything the Jedi stand for and so like anytime he was getting emotional again I'm like I'm doing this again okay like throughout the show yeah um and it so if if it was a turn that would have been more

interesting to me where he seemed steady throughout the show and then like later on as as truth starts to come out, he gets unsteady. Because it's like, things start to burst at the seams. But, like, his performance, while, I guess, interesting, it felt like relatively in the same space throughout the entire season. Okay. If that makes any sense. Is that too harsh?

I'm just, like, I'm just, like, trying to be as forthright as I can with you guys. Like, it felt like a human being, right? It wasn't stilted. Right. It's just that it was just in the same kind of space the whole time. So basically, what you're saying is, like, his acting was, good like he was giving you the dimensions of a human being but for the sake of the character perhaps that's not the way to go about portraying a Jedi who's supposed to be like very calm

cool calm collective and stoic well it just never went anywhere it was always this dude just had 18 mountain dews like it was always that guy you know what I mean um that that's what I felt the whole time um the trembling in his voice the I'll tell you later you know well I'll tell you later that's writing more so than... I know. I'm saying character-wise, acting-wise, it was relatively in the same space the whole time. Sure, sure, sure. And so, there's that.

With regards to the twins, like, I understood conceptually what I'm supposed to be rooting for. I didn't care. That's the short of it. Right. Yeah, it's like, okay, so by the end, OSHA goes to the dark side, and May is a question mark. Okay.

I think what you're supposed to hope for is that it all works out between the twins and and maybe soul gets to reunite with his padu one maybe that's what you're supposed to hope for and it almost ends like a like a Korean thriller where it's just like dark you know memory gets wiped like old boy but that's the thing like with the twins I'm kind of like all right you didn't really give me a good reason why you guys couldn't go together hey you accepted it in la land when they didn't end up together I didn't that's the that's the problem that's why I don't like that movie um but yeah so here i'm kind of like okay maybe i'm just being thick like maybe

it's just because oh he went she went against her word with camille right um may did and so he would never accept her as a student again but i think that's dumb because we all know the power of two is better than one, if they were created as one person, surely we can find a way to like combine their powers and like magnify them and maximize them. Why aren't we taking advantage of this? This is what I would do if I was a Sith. Yeah, it wasn't really clear why they had to do that. I think it was a artificial effort at, I'm phrasing it wrong, forgive me. But the idea is to create emotional weight at the end of like, oh no, I have to separate from my sister, boo-hoo.

Like, that was the goal. That was the goal, and it works really well when the emotional stakes are there. When someone has to say goodbye, and you know that that is the only way it has to go down, like there's no other way. Like the end of Armageddon? Yeah.

It breaks you apart. You're like, no. But I know this is the right thing to do, and you're so sad. here it's like I'm just confused like why why couldn't you guys go together well I think that it's a set up for

season two if there if there is a season two yeah no well I think the idea is that they're going to have to fight again because the green lady is going to train May May yeah I think that's what's happening I don't know I don't even know if they're getting renewed but that's neither here nor there

I mean if there was a you know a second season I think that was that's the idea that they were trying to go for There's definitely places that they could take this for the second season. That would be very interesting that that whole fight thing and finding the two of them and all of that. That's all potentially very interesting. And also maybe uncovering more backstory on the green skin lady and her relationship with Kimira, right? Like that's all interesting stuff.

But also, I guess if they were like, ah, we're not renewing this, I don't know how many people would be very sad. I don't know. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I don't care about the green lady either. I don't care about her. I'm curious about her, though. No, I just, I didn't like her performance.

I didn't. And it was never really made clear like, okay, what's your deal? Like, you seem like you could be bad? Yeah. That's why it's so confusing. And then, like, Yoda shows up at the end, and it's like, huh? Yeah, I guess that was not the cameo that I thought was going to pop up here. But then, like, how does that make any sense?

Like, what are you telling Yoda? that's you know like are you telling him a lie as well if so like what why did we need that scene if you're not telling him a lie that that ends up going against the what was uh spoken about in episode one so it's a little bit confusing i think that was just a fan moment like fan service moment i just made me confused yeah don't know what to do with that but yeah i just have like kind of mixed feelings because it was a really strong finale episode As far as action goes. As far as action goes, it was like really exciting, super thrilling, like so many cool things that we love to see in Star Wars in the action, right?

You know, I'm probably going to get shit on for this, but it just felt like Soul was just a really bad Jedi. Like, he was so bad at being a Jedi. It's like, how did you survive this long? You're so bad at this is what my feeling was. It's like, okay, so 16 years ago, you murdered the mom in like that whole fiasco, and then you got to keep your job. And, well, because they lied about it. Oh, yeah, but no, I understand. I got that.

I understand. But it's like, but he's still bad at his job. So what's he doing for 16 years? He trained a bunch of kids successfully. Who? I didn't see any of them. The children in the beginning. I didn't.

Okay. He was teaching them. All right. He seemed like a good teacher to me. No. I don't know. The moment, the moment the students walked out, he pulled out the thing and he's like, really like focused on his, on these memories.

And I'm like, okay, that. Red flag. Yeah. You're like, Sol is a walking red flag for a Jedi. Yeah. And then when, is it Oshar or May,

who was on the table strapped down? In this episode? Yeah. That was May. Okay. When May was like undoing the thing. So, like, doesn't Soul have any sort of like force awareness,

like spidey sense? Look, he couldn't hold open a door with the force, so. That was another thing. Like, they established in, I think it was Mandalorian, where Darth Viguerre, like straight up was like I know it's Darth Vader that's a totally different character right but he was able to stop a ship from leaving gravity yeah like he kept it there yeah um

and soul couldn't keep this little like ship and he couldn't even save two twins so that's true you know that's true his his I guess they've established his limits I'm just joking but it was funny to me that they they showed a scene where we're going wait why didn't he just use the force to hold the door and then like a few scenes later Green Ladies literally like opens the door and is like you can see yourself out I'm like

well if she could do that why couldn't he do that yeah that's pretty silly it was a bit silly yeah yeah the show is full of stuff like that and you know what though you can throw all that to the side what matters at the end of the day contrivances you know don't matter anywhere near as much

as do I care about what's happening? Yeah. And I just didn't care. You know, I wanted to. I wanted to be invested, but like it was missing something. It didn't quite hit the mark. Part of what undermines the whole emotional ending is they didn't really earn it because like the line is, I will kill you, right?

She's like, I will, I will kill you. You're never letting that line go. And then she, well, I jokingly said, I will murder you because that sounds more. but she's like I will kill you and then she sets the place on fire right in the dialogue at the end I'm just like I don't know that you really earn this hug right they they from I'm talking about the writers like I feel like the writers could have earned it a little bit more if she was just like I was a kid you know she's like she's a child yeah you can you can only fault her so much she had an emotional

response to the thought of losing her sister yeah she was a kid Yeah, like how many times have you said some messed up stuff like that kid? They needed to like go there and talk about that for a hot second. They were so quick to get to the hug and like the memory. I'm like, so you're just cool with the fact that she said she will kill you and she had the intent to kill you. And she set the place on fire to kill you. That's an accident. No.

I don't know. That's all goofy. My mind is going in 18 different directions right now. I don't know how to keep up with it. Yeah, it was a hot mess. With some enjoyable parts and an interesting concept. They had this moment in the beginning where OSHA had the helmet on. And then, you know, Sith dude is like, oh, shoot, I got to get it off.

And it was like he was in his mind as well. It was like, it was this weird thing that was happening. I thought that was kind of neat. But I wasn't quite sure. I thought she was trying to mess him up. And there was like a witch element to the whole thing. There was a witch element to the whole thing. But it didn't really pan out.

It didn't really go anywhere. No, I guess it was just meant to show us that she's, finally embracing and accessing her powers because for the longest time it seems like she couldn't you know like in the beginning of the show in the first episode she couldn't even use the force to like grab her tool that's true right yeah and so now she's like full on just able to really kind of mess up a super powerful Sith so yeah okay now her lightsaber turned red yes Why did that happen? Because she's going to the dark side.

Right. What is our takeaway supposed to be when she goes to the dark side, but she's like, God, this emotional moment with her sister? Is it trying to say that even Sith love and even Sith have feelings? Yes, they do. And even Sith can have compassion? Like, I'm a little bit confused because traditionally in Star Wars, you know, Sith are evil people.

and there isn't that element to them. Now, I'm not saying... I kind of like that, though. What? That they feel kind of gray. Because ultimately, it boils down to what are your choices? Like, what side do you lean more towards? Because as humans, none of us are, or very few of us, are perfectly good or perfectly evil.

You know, we have both of the colors within us. It's just like which side. do you lean towards more. Okay. So I like that they kind of, that they don't come across as like, I'm an evil person, you know what I mean? It's just like,

I believe in selfishness, and I believe in getting my own way, and I believe in killing people who stand in my way, but I care about the people closest to me. I guess the only reason why it throws me is just because I haven't seen that in Star Wars before. It doesn't mean that it's wrong. It's just throwing me because it's new.

Sure. And so it's like, okay, your lightsaber turn red because now you're evil. But the behavior doesn't feel evil. The behavior feels like that of a protagonist, of someone good. And so that's why I'm confused about the ending, you know, the way they handled that. Right. The whole attachment thing, it's just like. No, I mean, this show has definitely made me question my allegiances because, you know, I, I,

did end up finding Kimir to be a very interesting character and you know some of his arguments and stuff I was like if I was in that situation I don't know I think I would be like yeah what you're talking about makes sense yeah I'll just come join you yeah and you can see how maybe she'd be like okay fine I'll I'll come be your student you know I'll succumb to my emotions like this whole Jedi thing isn't really working out for me so I'll succumb to my emotions and and follow the path that I've always wanted to, which is to train and like learn about my powers and stuff like that. Yeah. I guess I guess the last thing that I'll remark on is, you know, in the ending, Sol, and right before Soul died, he's like, you know, somehow, you know, you guys are

the same person and you were conjured out of the force out of this, you know, virgins. The virgins! The virgins, right? Yeah. And I'm like, okay, and? Like, what was the threat. What was the big deal why you had to kill all these people? Like, am I missing something obvious? He had to take it upon himself to save these children. It's like, okay, but what exactly was the problem? See, to me, this, I don't know, I'm probably going to get some shit for this, but it kind of feels like sometimes that white savior mentality, like sometimes when, when, or, I'm being unfair in saying it's like perhaps white savior, but, you know, sometimes, he's Korean. I know.

which, you know, is interesting. But sometimes it feels like, you know, you get these situations where outsiders come in to a different culture. They look at what they're doing and they judge it. And they go, oh, that's wrong because that's not the way I do it. I don't do it like that. Let me show you a better way. Let me teach these savages what they're doing wrong.

And then they come in and then they like mess everything up, disrupt families and whatever. for the sake of, like, the good of the children. But is it really the good of the children? Or is it just you and your indoctrination, just ruining lives? You might be onto something there. That might be what the message is. Yeah, I mean, it's supposed to be examining the Jedi's and the Sith

from a different angle than what we are accustomed to. Kind of like Maleficent and, you know, that whole thing and 101 Dalmatians and what's it, Corella? Yeah, it was in 100. Yeah, it was, I like, so I'm just saying it's like Disney has a history of like going, oh, they're not that bad, you know. Which conceptually I think is super fun. I think that what it comes down to is it just wasn't very clear what the intention was as you went. I felt like it was trying to do a lot and it was, it was just sort of, I keep saying this word, but it was just sort of messy.

Kind of like this discussion. It's just, it was just kind of messy. And it's like, okay, if you're trying to pull the rug out from under my feet, that's fine. But you've got to, like, you have to take me one direction and make that clear. Like, this is the direction we're going. And if it goes hard right or hard left. Yeah, that would have been pretty mind-blowing. It would have been cooler to have more of those moments where you're just like, you feel secure because you're like, I know where we're going in the story.

And then suddenly they go, oh, you, ha. Yeah. Take that. And then everyone's going, oh, my God. It's, you know, like when you watch a good K drama. Yeah. So I've referenced this a few times, and this will be the last thing I say. There's this movie called, and you've heard me talk about it before,

there's this movie called Thank You for Smoking. And it stars the guy who played Harvey Dent in The Dark Night. I forgot his name. But in the film, he plays someone who represents the tobacco industry and whatever, and he gets attacked by anti-tobacco people. And there's this expectation when you're watching the film that he's going to have a change of heart and a realization like, oh, my God, I've been doing things wrong. And then he ends up becoming anti-tobacco. But at the end of the film, he actually becomes even harder pro-tabacco.

And it's the last thing you expect, right? Which is a great ending because it's not what you're thinking is going to happen. And there's sort of a similar vibe to the end of the founder. You know, he seems like this happy guy. You'd maybe like a grandpa or a father you'd want to, you could, you'd think would give you a, advice and you know kind of reminds you of your own dad and then you realize he's fucking evil at the end you know and it's like it turns on you right and it feels unexpected because you were kind of rooting for him at one point i didn't have that feeling here at all is what i'm trying to say in a long

winded way it's like that should have been emotionally the goal it's like you're kind of rooting for soul and then at the end you're like oh wait he's fucked up yeah i that did not happen it was so gray the whole time that i'm like okay wait what's going on okay i see oh they're crying now it's over okay you know I'm like all right cool they had some cool action and it's it's done yeah and so is this conversation yeah that's right I mean do you get what I'm saying though I do okay is it making sense yeah I think so okay yeah okay well what are your thoughts on the on the story you think it was the best thing ever no I don't I don't I mean I agree with you I think conceptually they were exploring some interesting ideas but they forward

whatever reason, we're unable to make it land emotionally very well. And I'm not a writer. I don't know how to offer criticism that is actionable and more constructive, apart from that is what it made me feel. Yeah. Like there were some cool ideas, cool fights, cool moments in the show, but overall, it wasn't like it's not like I got the same feeling when I watched season one of Mandalorian where I was like this is the best thing I've seen this year

that kind of vibe there's some like oh okay there was some cool pots it was interesting and by the end of this I'm like I'm glad I got to see the final episode because like the fight scene

which we talked about extensively was really really cool but otherwise I'm like oh yeah I feel like the feeling I should have had with the end of this is we should have been similar to the feeling I had at the end of Arcane of season one. It should have been something like that.

It's like, oh, man, that sucks, that it didn't work out. I want them to work it out. Right. It was heartbreaking to sisters, you know? It's like, oh, how did it end up like this? Yeah. You know, and here it's like, I see a concept. But I'm not feeling the emotions properly.

Yeah. You know. Anyway, we've beaten this dead horse. So you guys, thanks so much for hanging out. I'm Jabby Kauai. This is a charic. Peace out.