Cinepals - THE BOYS 4x3 REACTION & REVIEW! | Karl Urban, Jack Quaid, Antony Starr, Erin Moriarty | Amazon Prime

Episode Date: June 14, 2024

The Boys is back with season 4! Starring Karl Urban (The Lord of The Rings Trilogy, Star Trek, Dredd) as Billy Butcher, Antony Starr (Banshee, Outrageous Fortune) as Homelander, Jack Quaid (The Hunger Games, Scream) as Hughie Campbell and Erin Moriarty as Starlight. Watch our cutdown reaction on YouTube at https://YouTube.com/@Cinepals or watch the full reaction on Patreon at https://Patreon.com/JabyKoay SOCIAL MEDIA ~CINEPALS~ Twitter & Instagram: @TheCinePals https://www.YouTube.com/@Cinepals ~JABY KOAY~ Twitter & Instagram: @JabyKoay ~ACHARA KIRK~ Twitter & Instagram: @AcharaKirk

Senna. Pals! You guys, we're continuing forward with the boys as Season 4 episode 3. Here we go. It's time to overcome this need for love, this sickness, once and for all. You're never going to be your true self until you transcend your humanity. What do I do? You need to go back to the start.

Uh-oh. To where all the trauma started? You need to go home. What does that mean? Why? What's he going to find at home at the beginning? Well, I think you can learn a lot about yourself by going back to the start, right? And so there's that.

Or maybe there's some information there that can help him somehow. In what way, though? I don't know. I guess we'll find out. It's just got me curious, I guess. The whole thing with his son is a very fascinating relationship to examine because he's the only one who can talk back to Homelander and actually walk away unscathed for the most part, you know? I mean, I would imagine it's akin to the relationship between Omneman and Invincible.

You know, Omneman is clearly the superior being, but Invincible will still survive. You know? Invincible will get his ass kick, but he'll survive. I feel like it's the same thing here. I think what's more interesting is just seeing the person inside Homelander, because that moment where he was like, you know, why am I not enough for you? felt so vulnerable, you know? And it's like every single person that he's kind of had a relationship with or been close to in his life has gone away. And so that abandonment wound is real. And here

he has a son who's supposed to be his flesh and blood. And still his son rejects him. Like everyone rejects him. And he's just like this little kid inside. I mean, we're all little kids inside. That's why, you know, some of us are real assholes. But, you know, that little kid inside him is just like, why don't you love me? Yeah. I feel like there are two ways to write. One is the way Quentin Ceratino claims to do, which is he's more of an observer watching these characters have dialogue.

And he's just, all he's doing is writing it down like a stenographer, right? The other way is it's different parts of your own personality, different parts of yourself talking to each other. Sure. Right? And so I'm wondering which one is which for this particular writer who wrote these stories. And moreover, it's like, okay, is he the boy who is examining the relationship with his own legacy and going, where did I come from? Do I need to be like that?

Because I feel like that's a question a lot of people have had. I've had that same question in my own life because it's like I've got a complicated legacy that I come from. And then the other part of it is, does the writer feel like he? he's homelander, you know, or he's like, he feels lonely and he's also just sort of examining himself going, like, what is the damage that I've done and realizing through the process of writing, like, I've done this and this is how I looked at it selfishly going, why am I not good enough for anybody? You know, I don't know. There's all kinds of ways to dissect it. Maybe I'm going, maybe I'm not articulating that very well, because you look confused.

There's a lot of fascinating things to extract from that. So let me just try and understand what you said then. So you're saying that the writer is working through his own personal issues through the character? I'm not 100% committing to that idea. It's just a possibility I thought it was worth exploring, which is, you know, sometimes through writing, whether it's poetry or narrative fiction, you are trying to work out your own shit, you know? Yeah, absolutely.

I mean, it's possible or the writer could be present in so many of the different characters and issues that are coming up in the story, or also it could just be that this is stuff that they have observed because these are very human things, I guess, you know, like the questions that you're asking, nature versus nurture, am I my father? I think that if I would have put money on it, the writer relates more to the boy and like looking at his parents asking, who may have asked him at one point, like, why am I not good enough? And it's like, you're crazy, you know?

Right. Yeah, I mean, I guess we can all kind of relate to this feeling of like, I'm just looking to be loved and maybe some of us more than others like if we've experienced a lot of abandonment in our lives, you know? Yeah. Ryan is not, you know, going to be able to articulate exactly what Homelanders doing wrong, right? Because he's just a kid. And I think that's something we all dealt with when we were kids. It's like, we inherently know something is off if you, I mean, depending on like what your home situation was like, if you had parents that were like difficult to put it lightly, you don't exactly know how to art. articulate or make them see what you can see but something is definitely off and you're just trying to basically survive in this awful situation you know um anyway moving on yeah i i thought this episode had a lot of really great emotional scenes in it that i really enjoyed like these are the

things that i think you said before you know that kind of stand out in the show because it's not just all about the like crazy violence of which like there was some really creative stuff here, especially with the rubber ducks. But I love that scene with Butcher and Ryan because they were both being really vulnerable. Yeah. And I think, like, Butcher realized that he would be able to get Ryan on side if he was vulnerable with him rather than, like, trying to drug him with a cookie. Yeah. No, I agree.

Yeah. I think that scene was a bit predictable. It followed a lot of beats that you're supposed to follow with. characters that you're supposed to like. Sure. Sure. Yeah, I can see that. However, you know, setting aside, you know, ground that has probably been retreaded a billion

times in a billion different stories because there's only like six stories ever told or something. Sure. Yeah, yeah. Whatever, whatever. Setting that aside, the victory in that is that you still felt something. Because I could see the beats. But I was still invested in the emotional aspect of things and hoping for that relationship to

continue to grow. Yeah, because I think we want that arc for Butcher, right? because he rejected Ryan, although he said, you know, like he just pushes the people away that are closest to him, right? He wasn't ready to be a father to him and obviously like... It's complicated. It's complicated. Like, looking at the boy, he's reminded of all the awful things that happened to his wife and everything that happened to him and his wife. So, yeah, you're right.

It's complicated. So he had a lot of growing to do, and he's in a place now where he can be like, I need to look out for this. child. Didn't he accidentally kill his own mom? Yeah, I think so. So, I mean, it's been a minute that I've watched season three, but I'm pretty sure that's what happened. And so it is just adds to the excessive amount of complication that it is. Yeah, so much, so much. And so I get both sides of that, uh, relationship, like the confusion that Ryan is feeling and the feelings that butcher has, or butcher has, but yeah, you're right. It was a good scene. It was, it was nice. Um, and, and, and, but at the same time, you know, he doesn't have a lot of time. That's why I was saying I get what

the CIA dude is saying to him it's like you don't have a lot of time dude like you got to accelerate this he makes me mad though because he's out here trying to use the boy as an asset like I guess you can look at it from both sides right like there's a side where it's like yeah mr. Jeffrey Dean Morgan CAA guy you're definitely right like we need to do what it takes to kind of get him on our side but also he's treating him like not like a human he's He's a child. I can't wait for you to go through The Last of Us, too. Like, there's a similar topic explored in The Last of Us, too.

A similar conversation comes up. And so he put it on the table. He's like, if it was my son, I'd do it. It's like, that's easy to say to cite a theoretical situation that is not happening. However, I believe him. I believe he would do it. He seems like the type of it would do it. He strikes me as that guy who would do it because it's like, it's either this or the end of the world, you pick.

So, yeah, what are you going to do? You know. I did have a friend. say to me once, I've never shared this with anyone, so this is interesting as an opportunity to share it. He said to me, you know, you matter so much to me, like, everyone in China could die that wouldn't mean as much to me is losing you. Wow. I was like, well, that's a way to put it. You were loved. Yeah, that's a juxtaposition. Because it's like, it's obviously about how having no relationship with any of those strangers versus the one person who means a lot

to you, right? I don't know why I brought that up. It just, I just kept it popped up in my head. Anyway, I guess the reason it popped up in my head is because it's that juxtaposition of like, if all you to do was kill your child in order to save a billion people or keep your child alive and a billion people die, which would you do? I think most people would choose to keep their child alive. It's a hard choice. Right. Yeah.

There's a lot of assholes. Billion people. Yeah. But anyway, yeah. So the whole thing with the ice skating scene, it was actually like, Taking a step back, it's actually crazy how much more violence ensued from the skates than from the superpowers. That's one of my nightmares about ice skating, because when I first started ice skating, someone told me, watch out, the blades on the ice skates are really sharp.

You can chop off your fingers or you can, like, cut someone really badly or kill someone with that. And so watching that, it was like, that's it. That's all my worst fears about ice skating just happened. That girl got stepped on, her hand got stepped on, and like all her fingers got cut off. Ew. Yeah. No. It was just alarming what happened after that.

And funnily enough, it was Jesus who was doing all the killing. See, this can't happen in basketball. What? Like, why choose a hobby that dangerous? Like, I'm not, I'm not rock climbing. I'll play basketball. I'll play, you know, like, baseball is as deadly as I want to get. Sure.

Yeah. So, or football. But anyway, yeah, that was quite the scene. That was quite the scene. It was a little bit tough for me to suspend my disbelief with the scene where Huey was listening to the conversation. If it was like a microphone that they had fed to that thing, like, that would have, you're obviously losing your sense of danger.

and like anxiety if it's just a microphone and it's not Huey literally over the conversation like Tom Cruise in Mission Impossible 1 with the sweat coming down unlike Tom Cruise like the sweat hit Homelander right? Yeah he should have watched some mission impossible so it's like okay I guess they never unless they explain it and I just missed it over the course of the three other seasons but like this homelander's power designed in such a way

that has he trained himself in such a way to shut out most things. That's the only way that I can imagine because if you were so over-stimulated all of the time, you would have to learn how to cut things out or shut things out. Otherwise, it would be impossible for you to go about your daily life. You'd need to just wear noise-canceling headphones

all the time or something. Yeah, but is it like a bad guy in PC where, you know, there's a proximity effect of they might hear you sneaking around? You know what I mean? like, how does that work exactly? Because I know he was looking over here, but I would imagine he's always got, like,

if a gunshot went off behind him, he would know it and he would be able to dodge it. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like, so that's all. It's like, it just became, it was pushing that envelope a little bit in terms of believability

based on how dangerous they've set him up to be and how, like, he heard the lady's heartbeat from across the room in the same episode. But he was listening for it, I think. In that situation, he's like assessing her and trying to find out what's, going on. Yeah. I mean, maybe I'm overthinking the shit out of it.

It's just, maybe. Like, if I, if you're Huey, any normal person, Huey represents as close to normal as you're going to get in this show, right? Yeah. And so if you're Huey in your heart, your heartbeat is going to go crazy. Yeah. He's going to hear that. That's all I'm saying.

No, 100%. So, like, the only way I can kind of get around that is by going, well, he's distracted right now. He's focused on this conversation at hand. And he's not really paying attention to his surroundings. because he thinks he's safe. Like, why would he assume that anyone might be listening to the conversations? Sure.

So there's that. That's fair. Yeah. But speaking of Huey, I wanted to talk about that great scene with his mom as well. Because, like, that one really nearly got me. Because, first of all, I mean, postpartum is a thing. It happens to a lot of women, and it's not really talked about a lot. But what I loved about the scene was just the beauty of,

You see things one way when you're a child, right? Because that's your experience. But then hearing what the story was from your mother's side and hearing it as an adult with the capacity to understand what she might have been going through is different. And it's really powerful. And I think you can offer your parent a certain degree of empathy now that you're an adult, you know?

Yeah, I've had some strange experiences in my life. where I've been able to like you know I saw things as one way and then 20 years goes by and I learn of something else by getting closer to somebody and I'm like oh oh this is like there's a whole other side to this I didn't know about and like the it gets demystified and the veil comes up and you're like holy crap and you realize that person that you thought that you kind of mythologized in your mind so to speak they're just a human being yeah with their own shit and you're like holy crap and you realize that person that you thought that you kind of mythologized in your mind so to speak they're just a human being yeah with their own shit. and their own problems and, like, dealing with stuff that, you know, like anyone else does, you know? Yeah, I thought that was interesting. Only because I related to it on some level did I find that so fascinating. The scene with his mom. Yeah. Yeah, I think the older I get and the more opportunities I get to have conversations with my parents

and kind of understanding what they might have been going through. Like when you reach the same age as your parents were at a certain point, like getting to the same age as my mom was, when she had me, I can have a different level of empathy of being like, wow, I remember what it felt like to be that age and like all of the feelings and everything. And so like I can now have a certain degree of empathy for the human being that she was and like any mistakes that she might have made with me or anything like that. I can be like, okay. I mean, I get it. I don't know if I would have been able to do much better, you know. And so kind of maybe hearing that his mom was suffering with depression

and she was trying so hard to hold it together for him, but she just couldn't. It's like, okay, I mean, the child in me is still wounded and that hurts, but also, like, that really sucks what you were going through as well. Yeah, I think you're absolutely right. You wouldn't have been able to do better than your mom. So you guys, thanks so much for hanging out.

Hopefully you enjoyed that. I'm Jabby Koe. This is Acharra Kirk Peace out