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Episode Date: June 8, 2024

Ion by Plato audiobook. Genre: philosophy In Ion, Plato stages a sharp and surprisingly playful conversation between Socrates and Ion, a celebrated rhapsode who earns his living performing and interpreting Homer for public audiences. Fresh from a competition victory, Ion claims special expertise in explaining what Homer means about war, leadership, medicine, seamanship, and the gods. Socrates, never satisfied with prestige alone, presses him to define what kind of knowledge his art really provides. Is rhapsodic mastery a teachable craft with clear principles, like navigation or medicine, or does it arise from something less predictable - a contagious force of inspiration that moves from poet to performer to listener? As Ion struggles to defend his authority, Socrates tests the boundaries between skill and enthusiasm, interpretation and possession, criticism and performance. Along the way, Plato offers a compact but far-reaching meditation on creativity, the social power of art, and the uneasy relationship between poetry and truth. Written as a fast-paced dialogue, Ion invites listeners to consider whether great art comes from disciplined understanding or from a kind of divine spark that cannot be fully controlled. For ad-free listening try our premium subscription Chapters (Approximate) (00:00:00) Chapter 0 (00:11:40) Chapter 1 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

The ion is the shortest, or nearly the shortest, of all the writings which bear the name of Plato, and is not authenticated by any early external testimony. The grace and beauty of this little work supply the only, and perhaps a sufficient proof of its genuineness. The plan is simple. The dramatic interest consists entirely in the contrast between the irony of someone, and the transparent vanity and childlike enthusiasm of the rhapsode ion. The theme of the dialogue may possibly have been suggested by the passage of xenophon's memorabilia, in which the rhapsodists are described by Euphemus as very precise about the exact words of Homer,

but very idiotic themselves. compare Aristotle metaphysics. Ion the Rhapsode has just come to Athens. He has been exhibiting in Epidaurus at the festival of Asclepius and is intending to exhibit at the festival of the Panathenae. Socrates admires and envies the Rhapsode's art, for he is always well-dressed and in good company, in the company of good poets and of Homer,

who is the prince of them. In the course of conversation, the admission is elicited from Ion that his skill is restricted to Homer and that he knows nothing of inferior poets such as Hesiod and Archilochus. He brightens up and is wide awake when Homer is being recited, but is apt to go to sleep at the recitations of any other poet. And yet, surely, he who knows the superior ought to know the, inferior also. He who can judge the good speaker is able to judge of the bad, and poetry is a whole, and he who judges of poetry by rules of art ought to be able to judge of all poetry.

This is confirmed by the analogy of sculpturing, painting, flute playing, and the others. The argument is at last brought home to the mind of Ion, who asks how this contradiction is to be solved. The solution given by Socrates is as follows. The rhapsode is not guided by rules of art, but is an inspired person who derives a mysterious power from the poet, and the poet in like manner is inspired by the god. The poets and their interpreters may be compared to a chain of magnetic rings suspended from one another and from a magnet. The magnet is the muse, and the ring which immediately follows is the poet himself. From him are suspended other poets. There is also a chain of rhapsodes and actors who also hang from the muses but are let down at the

side, and the last ring of all is the spectator. The poet is the inspired interpreter of the god. And this is the reason why some poets, like Homer, are restricted to a single theme, or, like Tynicus, are famous for a single poem. And the rhapsode is the inspired interpreter of the poet. And for a similar reason, some rhapsodes, like Ion, are the interpreters of single poets. A. Ion is delighted at the notion of being inspired and acknowledges that he is beside himself when he is performing.

His eyes reign with tears and his hair stands on end. Socrates is of opinion that a man must be mad who behaves in this way at a festival when he is surrounded by his friends. And there is nothing to trouble him. Ion is confident that Socrates would never think him mad if he could only hear his embellishments of Homer. Socrates asks whether he can speak well about everything in Homer. Yes indeed he can. What about things of which he has no knowledge? Ayan answers that he can interpret anything in Homer.

But rejoins Socrates when Homer speaks of the arts, as for example, of chariot driving or of medicine or of prophecy or of navigation, will he or will the charioteer, or physician or prophet or pilot be the better judge? Aion is compelled to admit that every man will judge of his own particular art better than the rhapsode. He still maintains, however, that he understands the art of the general as well as anyone. Then why, in this city of Athens, in which men of merit, are always being sought after, is he not accepted, at once appointed a general? Ion replies that he is a foreigner, and the Athenians and Spartans will not appoint a foreigner to be their general. No, that is not

the real reason. There are many examples to the contrary, but Ion has long been playing tricks with the argument, like Proteus, he transforms himself into a variety of shapes, and is at last about to run away in the disguise of a general. Would he rather be regarded as inspired or dishonest? Ion, who has no suspicion of the irony of Socrates, eagerly embraces the alternative of inspiration. The ion, like the earlier platonic dialogues, is a mixture of jest and earnest, in which no definite result is obtained, but some Socratic or Platonic truths are allowed dimly to appear. The element of a true theory of poetry are contained in the notion that the poet is inspired. Genius is often said to be unconscious or spontaneous or a gift of nature.

That genius is akin to madness is a popular aphorism of modern times. The greatest strength is observed to have an element of limitation. Sense or passion are too much for the dry light of intelligence which mingles with them and becomes discolored by them. Imagination is often at war with reason and fact. The concentration of the mind on a single object or on a single aspect of human nature overpowers the orderly perception of the whole.

Yet the feelings, too, bring truths home to the mind of many who, in the way of reason, would be incapable of understanding them. Reflections of this kind may have been passing before Plato's mind when he describes the poet as inspired, or when, as in the apology, he speaks of poets as the worst critics of their own writings. Anybody taken at random from the crowd

is a better interpreter of them than they are of themselves. They are sacred persons, winged and holy things, who have a touch of madness in their composition, Fader, and should be treated with every sort of respect, Republic, but not allowed to live in a well-ordered state. Like the statesman in the Mino, they have a divine instinct, but they are narrow and confused. they do not attain to the clearness of ideas or to the knowledge of poetry or to any other art as a whole. In the Protagoras, the ancient poets are recognized by Protagoras himself as the original sophists, and this family resemblance may be traced in the ion. The rhapsode belongs to the realm of imitation and of opinion,

He professes to have all knowledge, which is derived by him from Homer, just as the sophist professes to have all wisdom, which is contained in his art of rhetoric. Even more than the sophist, he is incapable of appreciating the commonest logical distinctions. He cannot explain the nature of his own art. his great memory contrasts with his inability to follow the steps of the argument, and in his highest moments of inspiration, he has an eye to his own gains. The old quarrel between philosophy and poetry, which in the Republic leads to their final separation, is already working in the mind of Plato, and is embodied by him in the contrast between Socrates. and Ion. Yet here, as in the Republic, Socrates shows a sympathy with the poetic nature.

Also, the manner in which Ion is affected by his own recitations affords a lively illustration of the power which, in the Republic, Socrates attributes to dramatic performances over the mind of the performer. His allusion to his embellishments of Homer, in which he declares himself to have surpassed Metrodorus of Lamsicus and Stesimbrotus of Thassos, seems to show that, like them, he belonged to the allegorical school of interpreters. The circumstance that nothing more is known of him may be adduced in confirmation of the argument that this truly platonic little work is not a forgery of later times.

End of introduction. Ion by Plato, translated by Benjamin Joitt. This is a Libravox recording. All Libravox recordings are in the public domain. For more information or to find out how you can volunteer, please visit Libravox.org. Persons of the Dialogue, Socrates, Ion. Socrates, welcome, Ion. Are you from your native city of Ephesus? Ion. No, Socrates, but from Epidaurus, where I attended the festival of Asclepius. Socrates. And do the Epidaurians have a contest of rhapsodes at the festival? Ion. Oh yes, and of all sorts of musical performers.

Socrates, and were you one of the competitors? And did you succeed? I obtained the first prize of all Socrates. Socrates, well done, and I hope that you will do the same for us at the Panathania. Ion, and I will please heaven. Socrates, I often envy the profession of Arapsoed, Ion, for you have always to wear fine clothes and to look as beautiful as you can is a part of your art. then again you are obliged to be continually in the company of many good poets especially of homer who is the best and most divine of them and to understand him and not merely learn his words by rote is a thing greatly to be envied and no man can be a rhapsode who does not understand the meaning of the poet for the rhapsode ought to interpret the mind of the poet to his hearers but how can he interpret him well unless he knows what he means All this is greatly to be envied.

Ion, very true, Socrates, interpretation has certainly been the most laborious part of my art, and I believe myself able to speak about Homer better than any man, and that neither Metrodorus of Lamsacus, nor Stesimbrotus of Thasos, nor Glocon, nor anyone else who ever was, had as good ideas. about Homer as I have, or as many. Socrates, I am glad to hear you say so, Ion. I see that you will not refuse to acquaint me with them, Ion. Certainly, Socrates, and you really ought to hear how exquisitely I render Homer.

I think that Homer a day should give me a golden crown. Socrates, I shall take the opportunity of hearing your embellishments of him at some other time. Just now, I should like to ask you a question. Does your art extend to Hesiod and Archaeolocus, or to Homer only? Ion. To Homer only, he in himself is quite enough. Socrates, are there many things about which Homer and Hesiod agree? Ion. Yes, in my opinion, there are a good many, Socrates. And can you interpret better what Homer says? or what Hesiod says about these matters in which they agree. Ion.

I can interpret them equally well, Socrates, where they agree. Socrates. But what about matters in which they do not agree? For example, about divination, of which both Homer and Hesiod have something to say. Ion. Very true. Socrates, would you or a good prophet, be a better interpreter of what these two poets say about divination, not only when they agree,

but when they disagree. Ion, a prophet. Socrates, and if you were a prophet, would you not be able to interpret them when they disagree as well as when they agree? Ion, clearly. Socrates, But how did you come to have this skill about Homer only, and not about Hesiod or the other poets? Does not Homer speak of the same themes which all the other poets handle? Is not war his great argument? And does not he speak of human society and of intercourse of men, good and bad, skilled and unskilled, and of the gods conversing with one another and with mankind, and about what happens in heaven and in the world below,

and the generations of gods and heroes, are not these the themes of which Homer sings? Ayon. Very true, Socrates. Socrates. And do not the other poets sing of the same? Ion. Yes, Socrates, but not in the same way as Homer.

Socrates. What, in a worse way? Ion. Yes, in a far worse. Socrates. And Homer in a better way? Ion. He is incomparably better.

Socrates, And yet surely, my dear friend, Ion, in a discussion about arithmetic, where many people are speaking, and one speaks better than the rest, There is somebody who can judge which of them is the good speaker. Ion, yes. Socrates, and he who judges the good will be the same as he who judges of the bad speakers.

Ion, the same. Socrates. And will he be the arithmetician? Ion, yes. Socrates, well, and in discussion about the wholesomeness of food. when many persons are speaking and one speaks better than the rest, will he who recognizes the better speaker be a different person from he who recognizes the worse, or the same?

Ion, clearly the same. Socrates, and who is he, and what is his name? Ion, the physician. Socrates. And speaking generally, in all discussions, in which the subject is the same, and many men are speaking, will not he who knows the good know the bad speaker also? For if he does not know the bad, neither will he know the good when the same topic is being discussed. Ion, true. Socrates, is not the same person skillful in both?

Ion, yes. Socrates, and you say that home. and the other poets, such as Hesiod and Archilochus, speak of the same things, although not in the same way, but the one speaks well and the other not so well. Ion, yes, and I am right in saying so. Socrates, and if you knew the good speaker, you would also know the inferior speakers to be inferior, Ion, that is true, Socrates. then, my dear friend, can I be mistaken in saying that Aeon is equally skilled in Homer and in other poets, since he himself acknowledges that the same person will be a good judge of all those who speak of the same things, and that almost all poets do speak of the same things?

Ion, why then, Socrates, do I lose attention and go to sleep, and have absolutely no ideas of the least value when anyone speaks of any other poet? But when Homer is mentioned, I wake up at once, and am all attention and have plenty to say. Socrates, the reason, my friend, is obvious. No one can fail to see that you speak of whole. Homer, without any art or knowledge, if you were able to speak of him by rules of art, you would have been able to speak of all other poets, for poetry is a whole, Ion, yes. Socrates, and when anyone acquires any other art as a whole, the same may be said of them. Would you like me to explain my meaning, Ion? Ion, yes indeed, Socrates, I very much wish that you would, for I love to hear you wise men talk.

Socrates, oh, that we were wise, Ion, and that you could truly call us so. But you rhapsodes and actors, and the poets whose verses you sing, are wise, whereas I am a common man who only speak the truth. for consider what a very commonplace and trivial thing it is which I have said, a thing which any man might say, that when a man has acquired a knowledge of a whole art, the inquiry into good and bad is one and the same. Let us consider this matter. Is not the art of painting a whole? Ion, yes. Socrates, and there are and have been,

Many painters, good and bad, ion. Yes. Socrates, And did you ever know anyone who is skillful in pointing out the excellences and defects of Polynotus, the son of Agloffon, but incapable of criticizing other painters? And when the work of any other painter was produced, went to sleep and was at a loss and had no ideas,

but when he had to give his opinion about Polynotus, or whoever the painter might be, and about him only, woke up and was attentive and had plenty to say? Ayon, no indeed, I have never known such a person, Socrates. Or did you ever know anyone in sculpture who was skillful in expounding the merits of De Dallas, the son of Michian, or of Epius, the son, the son of Panopius, or of Theodorus, the Samian, or of any individual sculptor, but when the works of sculptors in general were produced, was at a loss and went to sleep and had nothing to say?

Ion, no indeed, no more than the other. Socrates, And if I am not mistaken, you never met with anyone among flute players, or harp players, or singers to the harp, or rhapsodes, who was able to discourse on Olympus, or Thamaris, or Orpheus, the rhapsode of Ethica, but was at a loss when he came to speak of Ion of Ephesus and had no notion of his merits or defects? Ion, I cannot deny what you say, Socrates. Nevertheless, I am conscious in my own self, and the world agrees with me in thinking that I do speak better and have more to say about Homer than any other man. But I do not speak equally well about others.

Tell me the reason of this. Socrates, I perceive Ion, and I will proceed to explain to you what I imagined to be the reason of this. The gift which you possess of speaking excellently about Homer is not an art, but, as I was just saying, an inspiration. There is a divinity moving you like that contained in the stone which Euripides calls a magnet, but which is commonly known as the stone of Heraclea. This stone not only attracts iron rings, but also imparts to them a similar power of attracting other rings,

and sometimes you may see a number of pieces of iron and rings suspended from one another, so as to form quite a long chain, and all of them derive their power of suspension from the original stone. In like manner, the muse, first of all, inspires men herself, and from these inspired persons, a chain of other persons is suspended who take the inspiration. For all good poets, epic as well as lyric, compose their beautiful poems, not by art, but because they are inspired and possessed. And as the Corbantian revelers when they dance are not in their right mind,

so the lyric poets are not in their right mind, when they are composing their beautiful strains, but when falling under the power of music and meter, are inspired and possessed. Like bacchic maidens who draw milk and honey from the rivers when they are under the influence of Dionysus, but not when they are in their right mind. And the soul of the lyric poet does the same,

as they themselves say, for they tell us that they bring songs from honeyed fountains, culling them out of the gardens and dells of the muses. They, like bees, winging their way from flower to flower, and this is true, for the poet is a light and winged and holy thing, and there is no invention in him, until he has been inspired and is out of his senses, and the mind is no longer in him.

When he has not attained to this state, he is powerless and is unable to utter his oracles. Many are the noble words in which poets speak concerning the actions of men. But like yourself when speaking about Homer, they do not speak of them by any rules of art. They are simply inspired to utter that, to which the muse impels them and that only and when inspired one of them will make diatherams another hymns of praise another coral strains another epic or iambic verses

and he who is good at one is not good at any other kind of verse for not by art does the poet sing but by power divine had he learned by rules of of art, he would have known how to speak not of one theme only, but of all. Therefore, God takes away the minds of poets and uses them as his ministers, as he also uses diviners and holy prophets, in order that we who hear them may know them to be speaking, not of themselves who utter these priceless words in a state of unconsciousness, but that God himself is the speaker, and that through him he is conversing with us. Antinicus, the Calcidian, affords a striking instance of what I am saying. He wrote nothing that anyone would care to remember, but the famous payon, which is in everyone's

mouth, one of the finest poems ever written, simply an invention of the muses, as he himself says, for in this way the God would seem to indicate to us and not allow us to doubt that these beautiful poems are not human or the work of man, but divine and the work of God, and that the poets are only the interpreters of the gods by whom they are severally possessed. Was not this the lesson which the God intended to teach, when by the mouth of the worst of poets, he sang the best of songs? Am I not right, Ion? Ion, yes indeed, Socrates, I feel that you are, for your words touch my soul, and I am persuaded that good poets, by a divine inspiration, interpret the things of the gods to us.

Socrates. And you rhapsodists are the interpreters of the poets, Ion, there again you are right. Socrates, then you are the interpreters of the interpreters, Ion, precisely. Socrates, I wish you would frankly tell me, Ion, what I'm going to ask of you. When you produce the greatest effect upon the audience in the recitation of some striking passage, such as the apparition of Odysseus, leaping forth on the floor, recognized by the suitors and casting his arrows at his feet, or the description of Achilles rushing at Hector,

or the sorrows of Andromache, Hacuba, or Priam, are you in your right mind? Are you not carried out of yourself? And does not your soul, in an ecstasy, seem to be among the persons or places of which you are speaking? Whether they are in Ithaca, or in Troy, or whatever may be the scene of the poem? Ion, that proof strikes home to me, Socrates,

for I must frankly confess that at the time, tale of pity, my eyes are filled with tears, and when I speak of horrors, my hair stands on end, and my heart throbs. Socrates, well, Ion, and what are we to say of a man who, at a sacrifice, or festival, when he is dressed in holiday attire, and has golden crowns upon his head, of which nobody has robbed him, appears weeping or panic-stricken, in the presence of more than 20,000 friendly faces when there is no one despoiling or wronging him. Is he in his right mind or is he not?

Ayon, no indeed, Socrates. I must say that, strictly speaking, he is not in his right mind. Socrates, And are you aware that you produce similar effects on most of the spectators? Ion, only too well. For I look down upon them from the stage, and behold, the various emotions of pity, wonder, sternness,

stamped upon their countenances when I am speaking, and I am obliged to give my very best attention to them. For if I make them cry, I myself shall laugh, and if I make them laugh, I myself shall cry when the time of payment arrives. Socrates, do you know that the spectator is the last of the rings, which, as I am saying, receive the power of the original magnet from one another? The rhapsode like yourself, and the actor are intermediate links, and the poet himself is the first of them. through all these the god sways the souls of men in any direction which he pleases and makes one man hang down from another thus there is a vast chain of dancers and masters and undermasters of choruses who are suspended as from the stone at the side of the rings which hang down from the muse and every poet has some muse from whom he is suspended, and by whom he is said to be possessed, which is nearly the same thing, for he is taken hold of.

And from these first rings, which are the poets, depend others, some deriving their inspiration from Orpheus, others from Musaeus, but the greater number are possessed and held by Homer, of whom, Ion, you are one, and are possessed by Homer. And when anyone repeats the words of another poet, you go to sleep and know not what to say. But when anyone recites a strain of Homer, you wake up in a moment, and your soul leaps within you, and you have plenty to say, for not by art or knowledge about Homer do you say what you say, but by divine inspiration and by possession.

Just as the Corbanthian revelers, too, have a quick perception of that strain only which is appropriated to the God by whom they are possessed, and have plenty of dances and words for that, but take no heed of any other. And you, Ion, when the name of Homer is mentioned, have plenty to say, and have nothing to say of others, you ask, why is this?

The answer is that you praise Homer, not by art, but by divine inspiration. Ion, that is good, Socrates, and yet I doubt whether you will ever have eloquence enough to persuade me that I praise Homer only when I am mad and possessed. And if you could hear me speak of him, I'm sure you would never think this to be the case. case. Socrates, I should like very much to hear you, but not until you have answered a question which I have to ask. On what part of Homer do you speak well? Not surely about every part. Ion, there is no part, Socrates, about which I do not speak well. Of that, I can assure you. Socrates, surely not about things in Homer, of which you have no knowledge. knowledge. Ion. And what is there in Homer, of which I have no knowledge? Socrates,

why? Does not Homer speak in many passages about arts? For example, about driving. If I can only remember the lines, I will repeat them. Ion, I remember and will repeat them. Socrates, tell me then what Nestor says to Antilicus, his son, where he bids him to be careful. careful of the turn at the horse race in honor of Patroclus. Ion, bend gently, he says, in the polished chariot to the left of them, and urge the horse on the right hand with whip and voice and slacken the rain. And when you are at the goal, let the left horse draw near, yet so that the knave of the well-wrought wheel may not even seem to touch the extremity,

and avoid catching the stone. Socrates, enough. Now, Ion, will the charioteer, or the physician, be the better judge of the propriety of these lines? Ion, the charioteer, clearly. Socrates, and will the reason be that this is his art? or will there be any other reason? Ion. No, that will be the reason.

Socrates, And every art is appointed by God to have knowledge of a certain work. For that which we know by the art of the pilot, we do not know by the art of medicine. Ion, certainly not. Socrates, nor do we know by the art of the carpenter that which we know by the art of medicine, Ion, certainly not.

Socrates, and this is true of all the arts? That which we know with one art, we do not know with the other. But let me ask a prior question. You admit that there are differences of arts, Ion, yes. Socrates, you would argue, as I should, that when one art is of one kind of knowledge and another of another they are different Ion yes Socrates

yes surely for if the subject of knowledge were the same there would be no meaning in saying that the arts were different if they both gave the same knowledge for example I know that here are five fingers and you know the same and if I were to ask whether I and you became acquainted with this fact by the help of the same art of arithmetic, you would acknowledge that we did. Ahon, yes.

Socrates, tell me then what I was intending to ask you, whether this holds universally. Must the same art have the same subject of knowledge, and different arts, different subjects of knowledge, Ion. That is my opinion, Socrates. Socrates. Then he who has no knowledge of a particular art will have no right judgments of the sayings and doings of that art. Ion, very true.

Socrates, Then which will be a better judge of the lines which you were reciting from Homer? You or the charioteer? Ion. The charioteer. Socrates. Well, yes, because you are a rhapsode and not a charioteer. Ion, yes.

Socrates. And the art of the rhapsode is different from that of the charioteer? Ion, yes. Socrates. And if a different knowledge, then a knowledge of different. matters. Ion. True. Socrates. You know the passage in which Hecimidi, the concubine of Nestor, is described as giving to the wounded macon a posse, as he says, made with Pramnian wine, and she grated cheese of goat's milk with a grater of bronze, and at his side placed an onion,

which gives a relish to drink. Now would you say that the art of the rhapsode, or the art of medicine, was better able to judge the propriety of these lines, Aeon, the art of medicine, Socrates, and when Homer says, And she descended into the deep, Like a leaden plummet,

Which set in the horn of ox that ranges in the fern, fields, rushes along, carrying death among the ravenous fishes. Will the art of the fishermen, or of the rhapsode, be better able to judge whether these lines are rightly expressed or not? Aion, clearly, Socrates, the art of the fishermen. Socrates, come now, suppose that you were to say to me, since you, Socrates, are able to to assign different passages in Homer to their corresponding arts, I wish that you would tell me what are the passages of which the excellence ought to be judged

by the prophet and prophetic art, and you will see how readily and truly I shall answer you, for there are many such passages, particularly in the Odyssey, as, for example, the passage in which Theocliminus, the prophet of the house of Melampus, says to the suitors, Wretched men, what is happening to you? Your heads and your faces and your limbs underneath are shrouded in night, and the voice of lamentation bursts forth, and your cheeks are wet with tears, and the vestibule is full, and a court is full of ghosts descending into the darkness of Iribus, and the sun has perished out of heaven, and an evil mist is spread abroad, and there are many such passages in the Iliad also, as for example,

in the description of the battle near the rampart, where he says, as they were eager to pass the ditch. There came to them an omen, a soaring eagle holding back the people on the left, bore a huge bloody dragon in his talons, still living and panting, nor had he yet resigned the strife, for he bent back and smote the bird which carried him on the breast by the neck,

and he, in pain, let him fall from him to the ground, into the midst of the multitude, and the eagle with a cry was borne afar on the wings of the wind. These are the sort of things which I should say that the prophet ought to consider and determine. Ion, and you are quite right, Socrates, in saying so. Socrates, yes, Ion, and you are right also. and as I have selected from the Iliad and Odyssey for you passages which describe the office of the prophet and the physician and the fishermen do you who know Homer so much better than I do Ion select for me passages which relate to the Rhapsode and the Rhapsode's art and which the Rhapsode ought to examine and judge of better than other men.

Ion. All passages I should say, Socrates. Socrates, not all, Ion, surely. Have you already forgotten what you were saying? A rhapsode ought to have a better memory. Ion. Why, what am I forgetting? Socrates, do you not remember that you declared the art of the rhapsode

to be different from the art of the charioteer? Ion. Yes, I remember. Socrates. And you admitted that being different, they would have different subjects of knowledge? Ion, yes, Socrates. Then upon your own showing, the rhapsode,

and the art of the rhapsode, will not know everything. Ion, I should exclude, things, Socrates, you mean to say that you would exclude pretty much the subjects of the other arts. As he does not know all of them, which of them will he know? Ion, he will know what a man and what a woman ought to say, and what a freeman, and what a slave ought to say, and what a ruler, and what a subject. Socrates, do you mean that a rhapsode will know better than the pilot what the ruler of a sea-tossed vessel ought to say? Ion, no, the pilot will know best.

Socrates, or will the rhapsode know better than the physician what the ruler of a sick man ought to say? Ion He will not Socrates But he will know what a slave ought to say Ayon Yes Socrates

Suppose the slave to be a cowherd The rhapsode will know better than the cowherd What he ought to say In order to sue the infuriated cows Ion No he will not Socrates, but he will know what a spinning woman ought to say about the working of wool. Ion, no.

Socrates, at any rate, he will know what a general ought to say when exhorting his soldiers, Ion, yes, that is the sort of thing which the rhapsode will be sure to know. Socrates. Well, but is the art of the rhapsode, the art of the general? Ion. I am sure that I should know what a general ought to say. Socrates, why, yes, Ion, because you may possibly have a knowledge of the art of the general as well as of the rhapsode, and you may also have a knowledge of horsemanship as well as of the liar.

and then you would know when horses were well or ill-managed. But suppose I were to ask you, by the help of which art, Ion, do you know whether horses are well-managed, by your skill as a horseman or as a performer on the liar? What would you answer? Ion, I should reply by my skill as a horseman. Socrates, and if you judged of performers on the liar, you would admit that you judged them as a performer on the liar, and not as a horseman, Ion, yes, Socrates,

and in judging of the general's art, do you judge it as a general or a rhapsode, ion? To me there appears to be no difference between them. Socrates, what do you mean? Do you mean to say that the art of the rhapsode and of the general is the same? Ion. Yes, one and the same. Socrates. Then he who is a good rhapsode is also a good general, ion.

Certainly, Socrates. Socrates, and he who is a good general is also a good rhapsode. Ion. No, I do not say that. Socrates. But you do say that he who is a good rhapsode is also a good general. Ion, certainly. Socrates. And you are the best of Hellenic rhapsodes? Ion, far the best, Socrates. And are you the best, Socrates. And are you the best general, Ion? Ion, to be sure, Socrates, and Homer was my master. Socrates, but then, Ion, what in the name of goodness can be the reason why you, who are the best of generals, as well as the best of rhapsodes in all hellas, go about as a rhapsode when you might be a general? Do you think that the Hellenus want a rhapsod with his golden crown, and do not want a general?

Ayon. Why, Socrates, the reason is that my countrymen, the Ephesians, are the servants and soldiers of Athens, and do not need a general, and you and Sparta are not likely to have me, for you think that you have enough generals of your own. Socrates, my good Ion, did you never hear of Apollodorus of Szeicus? Ion, who may he be? Socrates, one who, though a foreigner, has often been chosen their general by the Athenians, and there is Fannostinis of Andros, and Heraklides of Clasomene, whom they have also appointed to the command of their armies and to other offices, although aliens, after they had shown their merit.

And will they not choose Ion the Ephesian to be their general and honor him if he prove himself worthy? Were not the Ephesians originally Athenians, and Ephesus is no mean city? But, indeed Ion, if you are correct, in saying that by art and knowledge you are able to praise Homer. You do not deal fairly with me, and after all your professions of knowing many glorious things about Homer, and promises that you would exhibit them, you are only a deceiver, and so far from exhibiting the art of which you are a master, will not, even after my repeated entreaties, explain to me the nature of it. You have literally as many forms as proteus, and now you go all

manner of ways, twisting and turning, and like Proteus, become all manner of people at once, and at last slip away from me in the disguise of a general in order that you may escape exhibiting your Homeric lore and if you have art then as I was saying in falsifying your promise that you would exhibit Homer you are not dealing fairly with me but if as I believe you have no art but speak all these beautiful words about Homer unconsciously under his inspiring influence.

Then I acquit you of dishonesty and shall only say that you are inspired. Which do you prefer to be thought? Dishonest or inspired? Ion, there is a great difference, Socrates, between the two alternatives. and inspiration is by far the nobler. Socrates, then, Ion, I shall assume the nobler alternative, and a tribute to you in your praises of Homer, inspiration and not art.

End of Ion by Plato.