Cleared Hot - Powered By BRCC - Andy Vs. Michael - Round 8 : Be Better Than the Backseat

Episode Date: August 16, 2024

We are back again with a role reversal, turning the microphone towards the man usually behind the scenes – show producer, Michael Shelton. I never know where these conversations are going to lead, since I am turning the questions over to Michael, a man with an internet search history that has likely landed him on a variety of watchlists. There was absolutely no structure to this episode, we covered everything from a police officer locking themselves in the backseat with a woman, Crowdstrike, The UK calling for social media posters to be extradited and charged, what part of a person Michael would eat first, and everything in between. It is always a wild journey, I hope you enjoy it. The Speed of War Comic Series: https://www.thespeedofwar.com/ Check out the newest Cleared Hot Gear here: https://shop.clearedhotpodcast.com/  

Okay, got the red smoke. Locker, gun runs, north and south. West of the smoke. West up of smoke. Okay, Kathy, west of the smoke. I'm looking at danger close now. Come on, win it, baby. Copy, clear not.

Now are you ready? Sure. Okay, cool. Mr. I'm going to bring the heat today. Did I say that? I need to understand what you define heat as because I don't know if I would say you've ever brought it. I feel like, have you seen the heat? movie Hot Fuzz. It's not a porno.

Thank you for the clarification. It kind of so much of my time. It kind of sounds like a porno, but it's not. It's pretty funny actually. It's like a British police officer movie. It's good. You lost me. Tell me more. What do you got? Mr. Hot Fuzz. Let me look here. Um, so UK police chief. says it will go after citizens of any country that say inappropriate things online. Did you see that? I did. I think this was what I think I saw was an article where the UK government, and I'm saying

that broadly because it might just be somebody inside of the government, was requesting that Elon Musk either be censored or censor somebody else. Yeah. And I don't know his exact response. It was something along the lines of get fucked. Yeah. Perhaps in a little bit more eloquent terms than I just described. But I wonder, yes, here we go.

The head of police is now threatening extradition and jail time to the U.S. citizens for online posts allegedly engaging on the violence from afar. Who is determining the threshold that should be met for this? And I wonder, can you, well, I don't know how you would exactly Google. this. I am sure that the United States will let people be extradited for certain reasons, like totally egregious crimes. Right. But I don't know if commentary on the internet, I would hope that it would not raise to that or rise to that level because I'm trying to double check and remember here which one of the amendments it is that allows for free speech.

Oh yeah, that's right. It's the first amendment. The very first one. Yeah. People don't realize, in my opinion, the importance of that amendment until things like that. this start popping their heads up. Yeah. Well, yeah, this actually, because I always imagine like it would be the U.S. government overstepping its bounds. But no, it's actually the U.K. somehow trying to exert its will on U.S. citizens that don't live in the country. Right. Yeah. It didn't go well for them. You know what's weird with this new studio not to derail you? Yeah. It's weird to sit here because I can't see you. I was thinking about that. So hold on. Check this out. Camera number two.

is up and running, right? Yeah. Hold on. Oh. Oh, perfect. Hold on, yeah. Oh, it is... Number two.

How's that? Yes. Perfect. Dude, we're solving problems in real time. We really are. Yeah. Go a little bit higher on the headset audio for this bad boy. Yeah.

Yeah, now I can see... How's that? It's good. Okay. Now I can see your fucking egg-shaped head with your new hair cut. Yeah. How about my ears? My huge ears.

Are they that big? No, they're normal size. Are they? I think so. I mean, this is basically a form of censorship. And I can't think of a historical example where censorship has netted out in the positive. In the long run. Yeah.

If somebody is aware of an example where censorship was a net positive where it wasn't taken advantage of where people were not punished, then. please send it to me and I'm totally willing to review how I feel about it. But I want to know, like, who's deciding here? What rises to this threshold? What is this based upon? And until people can answer those things or there are objective answers to those things, I think people should take a moment and be really thankful of the First Amendment. Yeah. I was thinking about this. And if say maybe in like a more liberal city the local law enforcement I guess it would probably fall to federal law enforcement to extradite citizens right yeah because that would be from a nation to another nation so I'm going to guess being completely unfamiliar with the statutes of both local and federal law enforcement me as well but I'm going to go out of a gander here and say yeah be federal If that were to happen, I mean, that has to be an action where the Second Amendment would come into play, yeah, where you would be justified.

Are you calling for violence right now? Nope. Not at all. Like hypothetical violence? Hypothetical. Yeah. Do you think you're capable of said hypothetical violence, Michael? I know you carry a gun in the garage shop. And by the way, I've said this before. I'll say it again. he deeply appreciates being thanked for his service in the coffee shop when he is. Yeah, and that's for pictures too.

Yeah. What do you call it, standing your post? Are you up on the wall? What do you, what do you? I am securing. Yeah. You've never seen the movie a few good men, have you? Nope.

God. You want me on that wall. You need me on that wall. You can just assume my answer is no to that any movie that you ask. God, I worry about the future of this country. How many people do you think would exercise the rights under the Second Amendment in that situation? We see online a lot of people who call for violence. Yeah.

I personally believe that the vast majority of that group are actually not capable of it. Yeah, I would agree. But then I also think that there are a lot of people that are looking for any excuse to be like, that are kind of unhinged, you know? But are they looking for an excuse to talk about it or actually go out there and be the cowboy that they claim they want to be? I don't know. There's a large gap between those two. Yeah.

Between concept and action. Yeah. So. I don't know. Good question. I don't have an answer to that. I don't think you're capable of it. Okay.

But, yeah, I mean, you just say that all the time, though. No, I'm being legitimately serious. And I think that's a good thing. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. I feel like if my life was legitimately threatened.

No. You don't think so? No, I think you'd roll over. Just ass up. Just your standard submission. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. If your life was legitimately threatened, I think you would fight for your life.

I think most people would end up fighting for their life. Yeah. The problem is, if you've never actually trained or considered that moment, right. Fucking strap on. Good luck. No, pun intended. Good luck.

Maybe it'd be strap in. Strap in, strap on? Take it any way that you would want to take that, Michael. Yeah, both literally and figuratively. Yeah. No, the First Amendment is one of the most important. I mean, I think some people may argue that it is the most important. And here's another concept that I think is lost on people.

Let me ask you this. So the Bill of Rights is the first ten amendments. Yes. Which a surprising number of people don't recognize. Mm-hmm. Do you believe that it is the Constitution and the Bill of Rights that gives us our rights? Or does the Constitution and the Bill of Rights limit the power of government? It limits the power of government because as humans, you are just born with that.

That is how I feel about it too. There are, I have been surprised by the number of people who think that we have our rights because of the Bill of Rights. And I think they're losing a little bit of the argument. but the point being is that those rights are created to protect us from the government, to limit government. The government didn't give us shit, except for a tax bill. Yeah, exactly. Exactly.

That's my, I was thinking about this the other day, actually. Like, I think it's a, I don't want to say logical fallacy, but like a leap in logic to say that the government is the government is not protecting your rights. You just have those naturally as a human being born. You have the right to say whatever you want. You have the right to protect yourself. Well, only in countries where people were smart enough to put checks in power or to power in place. Yeah.

Where in the UK, I think you might. That's crumbling. Well, I don't know if it ever existed. And full disclosure, I'm not completely. And by that I weigh. by that I mean in any way familiar with the structure of their government. Yeah. I know they have a parliament.

I know somewhere in there is a king and queen. But as far as their version of our Bill of Rights and Constitution, I do not know what their system looks like. Yeah. They had the Magna Carta a long time ago, but I don't know exactly what that granted. It was written by a group of barons. Fuck. That's a dope title. I was with Gabe yesterday and we were looking up Shackleton because, uh,

Glover was just up here and he's getting some Shackleton stuff done. And we were both trying to figure out what year the expedition was. It was in the heroic age. The heroic age. A term that will never be associated with our lifetime. Nope. Ever. I was legitimately pissed.

Like, God damn it. Nobody will ever describe my life in the heroic age. And whatever the age they might describe it as, I don't know if I'm going to be too happy about the age that they pick. Yeah. So I don't know. I remember hearing about the Magnac Garda sometimes like, 30 years ago when I was in school. Yeah.

But yeah, I don't, I really don't think it's as, I don't want to say powerful, but like as protective as the Bill of Rights as far as securing freedoms. No, because I think that's one of the reasons that it was written in the first place because the people who were involved in the creation of it were fleeing, escaping, or leaving whatever term you would want to use the crown itself. Yeah. So, yeah. And then once it's gone, I mean, here's an example of you think you give power to the government that they're going to go ahead and get back to you at some point in time.

No. No. Yeah. It's kind of scary for the UK and Ireland's kind of facing the same thing. And Canada, the erosion of their freedom of speech because it's actually insane to get arrested for something you said online. And that's happened multiple times. I think if you are like chapter and verse trying to instruct people. on how to like blow some shit up or kill people or whatever.

Yeah. I think an argument can be made for that. That's a legitimate threat. Voicing your opinion for, and it may disgust somebody who is in power at that time, it may be just completely morally the opposite of what the people who are wielding the power may feel. I mean, get fucked. Yeah. Yeah.

There's a guy got arrested for calling a police horse gay. Was it gay? Possibly. I mean, I'd like. Yeah, it's just a statement. Show me your homework. Was there research done? Did said horse become aroused around other male horses?

It's possible. It is possible. And so why are we- So he could have been jailed for a potentially accurate statement? Yeah. An accurate statement that, by the way, is very LGBTQ inclusive. It is? Yeah.

Horses can be gay. It would be sexist or whatever word would apply to that. Homophobic. Homophobic to assume that. they couldn't be. I completely agree. So he actually seems like he's on the right side of history with that statement. I have no argument against that. You present a valid case that I can't argue against. Yeah. I should be a lawyer. No. No, you would suck at that because your mind can be changed very easily. You're malleable like clay. Sure. You said that so many times it's just lost its

meaning to me. I'm not trying to change the meaning of it, but I'm pointing out that your spine is more like fucking wet spaghetti noodles than it is like brick and mortar. I'm just all I'm saying. Let's move on. Okay. Maybe that's the way it is for people of your age and ill congeneration. I don't know.

So what else got possible? Yeah. Get fucked UK. Not people in the UK. I'm talking about that general concept. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, here's something kind of insane.

So you already talked about like the Trump assassination stuff. But did you see that meta AI said that it was a conspiracy theory and that didn't actually happen? As in when people were Googling that and they would click on it, one of those little bottom banners would pop up saying it was. I don't know exactly. No, they like I think they went to meta AI itself. Hold on. But you mean Facebook, right? Yeah.

I can't keep track of this shit. Okay, hold on. So, oh, it was putting those like, false information banners on Facebook posts? So a legislative of Trump assassination because it was saying that the Trump assassination attempt was not a real thing that happened and it was a conspiracy hoax. Oh boy. For the people who want that to be true, that will become the backbone and foundation of their

beliefs. Yeah. And if they can be convinced of that, if this is the place that, the place that, where we are at, where since you can find anything you want that aligns with your ideology and philosophy, I don't know where this road goes. And also, why would it do that? I don't know exactly why. Like, I don't want to apply malice where incompetence may be responsible for this. And I feel like most of what happens on these platforms, I think at some level a human being will get involved, but I think it's much farther downstream.

So is this, did this happen because of a mixture of keywords or, you know, Trump shooting didn't happen. Mehta, God, why did he also have to change the name? I had no clue. God, damn it. Yeah, click that thing out of there. Meta-I's assistant says, Trump shooting didn't happen. Meta-I's assistant says, company blames hallucinations for incorrect response.

What? Meta A.I's assistant is blaming AI hallucinations for it. What is it an AI hallucination? No clue. Please Google that. The tech giant on its part of it. Oh, you bastard. Yeah, hold on, hold on.

The tech giant on its part is now blaming AI hallucinations as the cause behind the inaccurate response, calling the incident unfortunate. Meta also denied that the bias in the models could have caused the inaccurate response. Well, yeah, they're not going to acknowledge a bias. Okay. Let's go down a rabbit hole. What's an AI hallucination? Is this a non-living machine that is hallucinating as if it's a person? So this, the technical definition, apparently,

a.I. hallucinations occur when AI systems, such as large language models or chat bots generate incorrect, misleading, or nonsensical responses. These responses can be fabricated, illogical, or based on reality, but with incorrect details. can be caused by insufficient training data, a complex situation in correct decoding. But maybe the, because it was very recent that that happened. Yeah. It had the database had not been updated. There wasn't enough.

Well, I think some of them like chat GPT, when I first started using it and I was very late, very late adopter, I believe it was trained on a data set two years old. Yes. And then it was finally released upon the wild and it can surf the internet. I have to feel like metas can do the same thing. You would think, let's look it up.

But does it not work as well when it's breaking news in real time because it needs time to have an amount of information to aggregate an array against? Yeah. I'm not seeing a quick answer. Okay. But it says, I don't know, it says AI. in general can access data from the web. I think it really depends.

Yeah, I think it depends. The platform. Man, I don't know about, I mean, it begs a bigger question. Like, what is real? Yeah. And if you're going to go to AI and ask it and rely solely upon its answer and then we're saying AI can have hallucinations or just like a human being. Yes.

Can make mistakes or not have the right data set. I mean, what is real then? Yeah. you can completely sculpt any searcher's reality. Yeah. Did you read 1984? Yes. That's exactly what they do in 1984.

What year did he write that book? 1948. He was really on the money with some stuff. Yeah, the Department of Truth, just absolutely rewriting every single event. Just staring at a TV, repeating the appropriate lines, the thought police. What the actual fuck? Yeah. Did you see there are software now that can generate an image based on a helmet you're wearing?

And it tells you think of a duck or something. Okay. And it generates a very, it's not perfect, nowhere near perfect. It'll generate an image of what you're thinking about. Yes. I would not put that helmet off either you. I know what that's like. Like is it a hot dog?

Is it a kibasa? Why is there no bun? Yeah. Why is it coming out of a bush? Why is this hot dog coming out of shrubbery by somebody's house? Yeah. I'm not judging you. I'm just saying we all know what the image is right.

Yeah. But that's literally thought detection and in turn it can police thoughts. Obviously, it's very, very in its beginning stages. Yeah, but everything is to begin with. Yeah. But like you advance that along and we can kind of see where it's going, you know. I worry about I obviously love my dad to death and I'm going to speak broadly here but using somebody of his age group and this is based off of some behavior I've seen from him a little bit and others in that category they'll see a headline like that and they'll take it as gospel yeah my dad the 20 what was it when was Trump first elected? 2016? Oh yeah, it was 2016. Yeah. He fell victim a little bit to what Trump would call fake news. And he forwarded, or not forwarded, but he reposted some articles that were either completely inaccurate. They were completely trolling or they were satire. Yeah. And I don't think he realized it, but it aligned with what he wanted to see. And I've had this conversation with him, and I can't remember specific examples. So the conversation kind of goes nowhere. But he doesn't spend a lot of

time diving into the internet from a technical perspective based off how I've seen him use computers he may not have the knowledge you've also seen some of this yeah uh yeah I've told the story many times about when he asked me why I wasn't receiving his emails and I went into his drafts folder and that's where they all were because he would just close it up after writing it he's like oh that's done fuck yeah um you know leaving it out in the rain a variety of you know probably 57 windows any one time. 40 of them were YouTube on the same rugby match just fucking exploring the RAM hard drive space. Maxing it out. Maxing it. So point being the tools are evolving faster than my dad can use the tools. And that particular, and again, I'm not insulting him in any stretch.

And this will be you and I at some point in time. It'll be me before you where the tools can easily outstrip my ability to keep up with them. And then I will become susceptible, just seeing those things that align with what I believe. And I think that's a really dangerous spot. Yeah. And how do you, I mean, AI is never going to be perfect. What do you do? Like, you force a system that has to show you multiple results and they can't be the same.

I mean, that's an impossible system to create. Yeah. Yeah. And easily manipulated. I mean, it's already happening. Search results are manipulated to show what the, like, what Google wants you to see and then not show what they don't want you to see. Well, I hope people realize that the terms that are usually coming up at the top, they are paying for that poll position. I hope people realize that. Maybe they don't. Maybe they don't understand that the revenue and ad dollars work on that type of stuff.

What do you got here? Here's that article. Don't ever, ever put it on, Michael. See, by humans using only their brainwaves. Isn't that insane? It is. That machine, that size scroll back up. I mean, that's probably, I've never been inside of a, MRI machine because I can't do to having metal in my body. But that could probably one day be the size of a football helmet. Exactly. Yeah. You just put it on.

Yeah. You're guilty of thought crime. Go to jail. It's a very minority report. Yeah. That's actually, I know what the movie is. However, I have not seen it. Who's the main actor in that movie?

Oh, the Scientology guy. What's his name? Say his name. Have respect for him. Thomas Cruz. Yeah, Tom Cruise. What level O.T. is he? Infinite.

O.T. 8, the highest level. Yeah. Operating Theton 8. Damn. I was just chatting with Aaron Levin the other day. Oh, yeah. Round two is coming pretty soon. Hell yeah. Yeah.

That'll be cool. Some, there have been some shifts in the post-Scientology. The people, you know, so the documentary, which I know you haven't watched this one either, going clear. Nope. I think it's the prison of belief, something like that. It's specifically about Scientology. Some of the main characters in there have I don't want to say shifted their philosophy, but I will say one of them took a money deal and went back. Interesting. Indeed. To Scientology. Yes. Money. Aaron described it as not necessarily being welcome, but he's just kind of on this island where he, his technical term is, shuts the fuck up. Yeah. Yeah. So they basically just paid him off.

That's like, hey, stop talking. Allegedly, since neither you and I know what that's talking about. Right, allegedly. Yes. Indeed. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Next one.

OTA8. O'D8. You would be an SP. Suppressive person. Oh, yeah. Yeah. We both would be. So are there in.

Oh, we're enemies of the church. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. How about CrowdStrike and shutting everything down? Crowdstrike. That was the big crash that happened that shut down millions of computers. Oh, it only stranded a few.

travelers. Yeah. Yeah. One or two, a hundred thousand maybe. Well, when your entire ecosystem and world relies upon electronics. And not even just electronics, but one program. Yeah. That can fail. I feel like you could trace this one upstream probably to a person. Yeah. Because my understanding is it was a corrupted line of code, not like maliciously corrupted, but. But yeah. And again, I don't know how to code shit. So I'm just going to assume it's all like ones and zeros. Probably. But a one was where a zero should have been and zero was where one should have been. And before people lose their mind, I mean, I understand it's far more complicated than that.

I'm using an analogy that somebody who eats crayons could understand because that's where I'm living my life at. That is, again, we live in a society of such, what's the word? excess of convenience of electronically app-driven instantaneous response. And the more that we rely on those things, all it takes is an interruption in that. And again, I always lose the exact quote, but it's basically, you know, society is nine meals away from chaos. Yeah.

I've thought about that a lot. Like especially all these people that are like super high and mighty and like a whole earth. And now it's like, bro, you're, you're like three days away from being a savage. Like, you're no better than any of the rest of us, you know? How far would you take it? Would you eat another human? I think I've asked you this. I don't think you have.

You've asked me a lot of crazy questions. I just, that's what I'm thinking about. If I, I wouldn't kill another human to eat them. But if I was starving and I came across. In my scenario, all right, you're in your Thunderdome machine. And much like we see deer on the side of the road, there's a person. would you throw them in the back of your like upgraded truck in this situation if I was absolutely starving and that was the only sustenance I have yes how did you

prepare them cook it like barbecue or what are we talking baking well probably barbecue because the only thing I would have available is a fire right I don't think I'd have an oven ready to go I don't think I would eat somebody what if what if you were starving the only way you would survive is to eat somebody. I feel like we're on the fridge here. We really are, but you brought it up. I did. I don't want to eat anybody.

I don't want to either, but there's no other way. What if there's no other way? What if I don't agree with the premise that there's no other way? You brought up. I asked you if you would eat somebody and now you're trying to put me into the situation where there's no other way. Okay, if there was another way, then no, I would not eat somebody. Yeah. Look up the quote because I want to get it correct. It's not, you know, society is nine meals away from chaos.

I want to be able to attribute that because I've used it before and I always forget exactly who it's from. But yeah, let's say that that air travel was delayed for, what, a couple days? Mm-hmm. Did you find it? Andrew Sims? Pull that shit up there. Society is nine meals away from chaos. It's a phrase that refers to the idea that society is only a few days away from anarchy or chaos or no matter how civilized it may seem.

I agree with that. Coined by American journalist, lawyer, and short story writer Alfred Henry Lewis in 1906. And that was at a time, I mean, let's be objectively honest here. That was at a time where people are more capable than they are now. We might have more tools now, but the vertical monkeys walking around in 1906, I think we're a little bit more tenacious, a little bit more resilient. They didn't have access to technology. I bet you they were better problem solvers in real time. Maybe we're eight meals.

Yeah, probably. For some people, three. Yeah. I mean, what do you think? So here we talk about all the time, the EMP strike, the electromagnetic pulse that just fries everything electronic. Air travel is going to grind to an absolute halt. Basically anything that has a circuit board in it, and this is my limited understanding of EMPs. And obviously, they're localized.

I don't think you could do the entire country unless you sent multiple them up. But let's just say in this situation, it was the entire country. I don't know if we'd make it nine meals. Meaning people would survive past nine meals, but I think the chaos and anarchy might instead before that. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, there would be no way to communicate further than like a mile.

You don't understand how radios work, do you? It's electronic. Maybe it wasn't plugged in at the time. Maybe we could build it out of components that weren't attached to electricity. If you have the knowledge to do that, then sure. Of course I have the knowledge to do that. To build a radio from scratch? 100% not.

No. I would need it to be buried in a bunker somewhere that was not influenced by the EMP and then I could use it. Yeah. But then I would also need somebody else to have that too. No, you'd be, it would be wild. Gas pumps wouldn't work. Yeah. Your car, let's assume your car would work or some cars would if they had less electronics.

day or two out of that, depending on where you're going to drive or what was in your gas tank to begin with. That'd be a shitty day to come home on E thinking I'd still get it in the morning. Yeah. You're like, oh, I should have got out last night. The refrigerators are nuked. Right. Yep. Yep. We are here so lucky to be where we live in case something like this would happen.

Yeah, it would suck, but we have a lot of food out in the wild. We do. And I look at where I used to live in San Diego. I think the number one move there would be. have to get out of there as fast as you can be possible to a place that has less population density. Yeah. Yeah, because like if that happened here, we would go, my family would go to a location that we all know unspecified. And it's out in the wilderness.

And we would just survive. Like it really would be no different from camping except it would just be a long time. How would you keep your food cold? You would have to hunt a lot. What if it was out of season? Never mind. Are you admitting that you would be a poacher? I am admitting that.

In times of crisis, I think I would be too. Yeah. I would poach a deer long before I ate a human. Oh, absolutely. What part of the human would you eat? If you had a, you're a butcher. You have a choice of steaks and fillets and for you. Probably, well, the thigh has the most meat, I would say.

You'd probably have to go for that. The buttox might. Yeah, that's quite a large muscle. He'd be in there just eating the ass. I knew you were going to say some stupid shit like that. I can't help myself. What else you got? I don't even know why we're talking about eating people.

I don't know how. Oh, from CrowdStrike. Yeah. Which is hilarious. The company is called CrowdStrike, by the way. Oh, man. Like so ironic. I wonder if large corporations like that almost have to take a step backwards in capability,

meaning maybe they can't do business at the speed of just hitting a button all the time to make sure the delays and stuff like that don't actually happen. Well, it's like also how do you roll that out without presumably they didn't test it because they would find out. Because probably they rolled it out that way over and over and over again. And it's a stupid bullshit statement. Well, it worked last time or what was good last time is going to be good enough this time. And it is until it's not.

Yeah. Tell you nuke like millions of computers. Do you think here's a better question? do you think any of the organizations or businesses or people that were directly impacted by that changed anything in their life to make sure that they wouldn't be impacted like that again could happen they're like oh it's fixed we're good i tend to agree with you yeah yeah um anyways next did you see that i don't know there's a video of it this san diego cop arrested this lady and she's in the back seat and uh he she could convinces him to go in the back with her. And he closes the door and it's self-locking. So we have to call another cop to come get him out. No, I did not hear about it.

Is there a video of this? Yes, I'll see if I can find it. At least a screenshot. Okay. I wonder what she could have been offering to entice him to get in the back. That's strange, strange. I mean, let's just get to the baseline here, right? I mean, we're talking about human beings.

I don't care what you wear on your sleeve or uniform or badge and gun. Yeah. I'm going to assume she had some sweet, sweet jelly beans that she was offering him in the back. She had some sort of bean. Yeah. Okay. Video released a police officer locked in backseat with woman. He was transporting.

Scroll down just a touch. Yeah. Oh, whoa, whoa, whoa. Take it easy. I did not mean to do that. Oh, that's an ad. Oh, that's an ad. Hold on.

Up a little bit. Oh, hold on. I'm trying to find the video here. We don't need to watch the video. It's going to look like a dude completely in utterance. embarrassed and the shame in the back of a cop car yeah i mean this goes back to the like this goes back to the world we live in again he knows he has a body camera on yeah like he knows his car is rigged with cameras yeah and i'm not trying to help people find creative ways to satisfy their sexual

sexual desires while in fucking uniform but i mean let's start with a don't fucking do that Right? Yeah, it's just dumb. Let's not do that. B, if you were going to do that, be better than getting locked in the back of your car. I mean, there's a couple ways you can think about this. Put the keys in your pocket.

Yeah. Make sure that the door is unlocked. Have somebody get out of, you know what I mean? Like, God damn it, this is really entry-level shit. Yeah. And I'm not trying to get people the recipe on how to do this shit and knock it in trouble. but it's like common sense like it is common sense stuff like that a i'm not surprised by it at all

it doesn't mean that police officers at large or the community is fucked up it means that this guy and who knows what was going on in this guy's life right maybe i mean yeah he made a bad decision he made a bad decision and i'm pretty sure it's a safe assumption he's not stoked at the aftermath of his name and video being on the internet yeah who only knows the cascading effects it may have on his family the dude might be married right all of the above such guess what, buddy? You put this plate in the microwave, so now you get to eat it when it comes out, steaming hot. So that's on you to deal with. But I mean, why? In an era where you're going to be lucky to not be, you know, on camera somewhere at all times doing things. Do people do

shit like this? Especially at a cop, like you're always being recorded. Yes. Especially in the city like San Diego. And again, I'm not familiar with their particular policies. But I guarantee you, anytime you're out of the car, your body camera is on because the car has camera. So you probably, you might be recharging it and you snap it back on the holder. But I mean, what did she get pulled over for? I actually don't know. I mean, this is a speeding ticket? I mean, God damn it.

How much do we value ourselves? I mean, how much respect. I need this woman to not be offering this level of service for a speeding ticket. Not that it would be any better if it was like a felony warrant, Right. What's sort of level of self-respect at at this point? And the rest of several people for suspected auto theft. Okay. The officer was tasked with transporting one of the detainees, the unden woman who had been taken to custody under a warrant.

Around 110, he left North California. There's about 20 minutes after the two left the Northern Division when Hare locked himself in the rear cage cabin of his patrol vehicle, just two block before arriving at Las Kalinas, which I think is the prison, according to the report. He was in the backseat with a female detainee for more than an hour before a supervisor arrived around 240 and open the door. Okay. Here's the question for you. And I'm not even going to apologize for my mind going in this direction. You get in the back and you realize you're locked in.

You know it's being like your front at that point. Do you still? Do you call for help or do you bang it out and then call for help? This is a question for you. What do you do, Michael? You're getting fired at that point already. You might as well go out with a bang, literally. Yeah, pun intended.

Yeah. Okay, so you'd go for it. Yeah, I would just not get in the back seat of the car. Yeah, I mean, first rule, first step, I guess, is to not do that. It's tough. I mean, you're only talking about people and making bad decisions, and it reflects on the organization. It reflects on the community. That's a tough one.

And I know it's very difficult and difficult for me sometimes to parse individuals from the community that they work inside of, but be better. Be better than the backseat, you know? Also, keep your cell phone in your pocket so if you had to, you could text a homie. Yeah. Like, with your special code upside down, fucking pineapple and like. It happened again. God, damn it.

I would reference the movie Super Troopers, which you haven't watched, but two cops get into the back of a cop car and the door gets locked. And I think somehow they took the door off from the inside, which I'm not sure is possible. But yeah. Yeah, but I thought that was so funny when I saw that. Funny to us, you know why? We're not in that article. Because we didn't do that.

Yeah. Be better than the back seat. For sure. Better than the back seat. Yeah, let's see here. How about? So I got a. DM from

I don't remember who it was but he asked how many Reese's could I eat before I either vomited or died what? And I was just curious What's going on in your DMs? We should do an experiment.

Do you at least get some more now these days? Do people reach out to you know? Every once in a while. An adult human being asked you how many Reesees that you could eat before throwing up? Yep. And you thought that rose to the level of like deep dissection and discussion. I thought we could do an experiment. You already know the experiment I want to do.

I want to either tase you on the grass at the gym space or shoot you in the butt. I would take the tasing every day before the shooting. At no cost. I can tase you for free as long as I put it on the internet. Under the guys, we'll have medical supervision there and law enforcement because I have to get the taser for somewhere. Wait, yeah, that's the other thing is that. within policy for law enforcement. Sometimes stuff falls out of cars. That's true. Yeah.

Got lost for 20 minutes. Yeah. So I can tase you for free? I'm going to take that as a hard yes. Why are you curious about how many Reese's you could eat? I just thought it was an interesting question, but you just didn't put a lot of thought in this episode. No, not really. Your lack of effort shows through to everyone.

Yeah. Yeah. I actually don't like Reese's peanut butter cups, so I would not be a good one to test on that. Yeah. I've never had it. Ever? I'm allergic. Well, that's why, because I'm allergic to peanut butter.

Oh. Oh. That was the... Ooh. Yeah. I mean, I'm willing to do this. I know you are. I will get an epipen.

I already have one. I'm going to sit here and watch you eat something you're allergic to. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The chocolate would be good. But the whole peanut butter with it... I will fucking right in the jugular with that epipan. I'll hit you. That's not where you're supposed to put it.

Wouldn't it work faster? I don't know, actually. My medical training says that it would. Right, because it's closer to the... No, I'm completely making that up. No, I know. I know you are. Yeah.

Okay, cool. Good question. Not really. Good question from... Great DMs. I'm really seriously concerned about what is ending up in your direct message forward. Let's see. I have some from...

Have you ever been flashbanged? Yeah. Yeah, we used to flashbang each other all the time. What was it like? It is a flash. And it's... it is a concussive blast. Okay.

We would do it when we did force on force training. A lot of the times we would use training ones that was essentially a blasting cap inside of a metal canister. So it makes a noise, but you're not going to get the flash. And they make some pretty cool ones that don't just flash or bang one time. One of the coolest ones that I like at least is a nine banger. You huck that thing down a set of stairs. Oh, really?

Oh, yeah, it gets it done. That's cool. I think they're awesome for stairways unless you throw it up a set of stairs and it comes back at you. Way less cool. Yeah. So for people don't know what a flashbang is. It is a disorienting device. I don't know if I would call it incapacitating.

I guess it could be depending on the proximity that it landed to you. But it is going to have a visual aspect and an audible aspect. Very bright, very loud. It's supposed to buy you time. as the people crossing the threshold of the door to get past that point where the person on the inside of the house has the tactical advantage.

You got a video of a flashbang for us? Yeah, I don't know why it's playing audio because I muted it. I don't know. You're the one sitting in front of the computer. Yeah, I don't know. Let's see. Yeah, that's a nine-banger.

Yep. Throw that there. Yeah. That's pretty cool. Imagine that inside of a small room. A room like this size. Sounds awful. You close your eyes, you cover your ears with your hands, and you open your mouth.

Open your mouth. Yeah. To equal pressure. Equalized pressure, yeah. You'd be okay. When we were doing force-on-force training stuff, if we knew that they were using those type of things, you either just wear ear pro and eye pro. And if they crack the door open, you fucking, you do exactly what you just said.

You'd turn your back to cover your eyes or cover your ears, close your eyes and open your mouth, just equalize pressure. Yeah. Trained on those things, I've got it. I've thrown countless flashbangs in training, zero overseas. Really? Yeah. Huh. How come just because you weren't the guy that was doing that?

Just throw one in the first room. Everybody in every other room knows that you're there and like what's coming first. Yeah. Okay. So, okay. Yeah. Would you let me flashbang you in a small room? Are there any long-term effects?

No, you're fine. Unknown. Okay. Maybe. Not that I'm like overly concerned with. Right. Yeah. Yeah.

For my safety. How about, oh, have you heard, you've heard of Andrew Tate, right? Yeah. What is, what's your opinion on him? So I do not know anything about this guy other than the presence. He presents himself on social media. Yeah. And I think the fact that he can develop a following of the loyalty in size that he does,

more than anything highlights how lost some people are. Yeah. And how desperately needed mentors and role models are. People can, and again, like, I'm not going to judge the shit that comes out of his mouth. I certainly don't agree with some of the things that he says and some of the things that he says, maybe not through the exact verbiage that he uses. I can understand what he's saying, but I don't want to tell people how to live their life and what's right or what's wrong. I don't choose to portray myself in that manner.

Even if I had those exact same beliefs, I would have a different way. of describing that. But that's just me. Yeah. And again, we open this by talking about the First Amendment and the value of being able to express yourself, I think, the way that you want to, so you can be yourself. Not my cup of tea for sure. I, when I look at people like that who are either famous or they're wealthy or the

combination of those things or have a large following, I think it's cool to see people be successful, but I don't have any desire to try to mimic or buy a system from them or align myself with their beliefs. To me, it's just interesting. Like, okay, you can kind of be successful on almost whatever path that you want to be in, not for everybody. Otherwise, it'd be a shit ton of Andrew Tates, right? Yeah. For some people, they can be successful that way. But it just highlights for me how desperately needed role models are in the world, especially for young men. Yeah. I mean, how about you, you're kind of the age group for his target audience. Yeah, I'm definitely his demographic. I am not a huge fan personally. I think he says some things. I'm just like, bro, what? Like what? A lot of very, like, oh, women should be in the kitchen stuff and all that kind of stuff. I'm just like. Sometimes I think when people say that stuff, they're just playing for the camera. I think maybe because, yeah, yeah, I don't know if you actually. Also, there's some conjecture. He's under investigation. for like running a um he had a webcam service yeah where and again i don't know the specifics

of it exactly i think there was nudity potentially sex acts involved but people were paying to watch that and this goes back to if it's consensual adults and you want to spend your mind on that i am not gonna i am not going to play the moral police on people as long as it's consensual adults i largely don't give a shit what you're up to yeah if you switch that over to being predatory or children or things like that, then we're going to have a different issue. Yeah. I don't, I'm not going to argue for the health benefits of that. I'm not going to try to promote the people pursue that particular path.

And I personally have no interest in facilitating that type of ecosystem, regardless of the monetary gain. Yeah. But I'm also not the type of person who's going to say just because I am not interested in doing that, then nobody should be able to. Right. Not my cup of tea. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. I, like, like you said, if it's consensual, great, but I guess that's why he's under investigation, because it seemed like some of it was very predatory. It could be. And, you know, and that I would go with what I always go on investigations is we should probably wait to see what the investigation nets itself out. Yeah, it's all alleged right now. Are you going to join this group? Probably. I forgot what is, he has like a club that you pay to get into, and it's really expensive. Do we need to start one of those? We should start one of those. What services what we offer? Um,

cuckoldry training. Okay. Who would, who would be in charge of that? Me. Okay. So you would sit in the chair? You would show people the most comfortable way to sit in the chair and say, hey, sit here. Or would you be the bowl? Well, it's kind of depends on the price bracket. Okay. And on which package you order. We've established before that you are in fact a hooker because everybody has a price and yours is super low. But you would do almost anything for money. Yeah, exactly. Yeah.

Exactly. No, well, I would never be able to do something like that. No. What do we even fucking talking about? Yeah, I don't know. And also, he said stuff like, men should be able to cheat on women, but women should not be able to cheat on men.

How does that make sense in any world? I don't know. And again, I'm not the moral police. Live your life however you want to. And if you're in a relationship with somebody, well, I guess then wouldn't be cheating if you were in an open relationship. Even that structure to me doesn't make any sense. But again, I'm not the moral police.

Yeah. men should be able to cheat on women and we should be able to cheat on men why I think his explanation is because for men it's not emotional at all so it's not technically cheating that's a really broad thing to say

about all of the male species yeah I was like okay dude whatever like but yeah I mean just yeah just thought I didn't know if you'd heard of him I have yeah I'm aware of what he's doing out there a little bit not my cup of tea yeah me neither

yeah um How about, I think you've told the story before, but I kind of forgot. Wasn't there like an operation you went on and you're supposed to like get this guy or whatever and you walk into the room and it's just full of macaroni? Yeah. Can you retell that briefly? That was at the Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq. And I think that's in Baghdad. We were, God, what brought us there?

I mean, you're always after a guy, right? but we were basically clearing the prison. And we ran into a room and it at a depth of between knee to hip, it was fucking uncooked macaroni noodles. I don't have an explanation as to why. Never have seen it again in my life.

Had never seen it before. That's so wild. Yeah. Have you ever seen like a ball pit that kids play in? Yeah. It had to switch that out with macaroni. So was it like a sunken room or was it? It was like a room.

I mean, it wasn't an, indoor swimming pool, but think of it like a step down. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. I didn't see any boxes in there either that said macaroni. Right. How did you get that in there? I don't know. That's, I was in that room for maybe 30 seconds and never went back. No, I have absolutely no explanation as to why. That's just so funny. Where, where you're just like, what the fuck and just walk away? No, you just have those moments where you sit there and like, like, okay. Yeah. Moving up. Yeah.

We got to clear the rest of the objectives. Yeah. We'll leave the macaroni. God. Okay. This is kind of somber, but did you see that there was an Israeli artillery strike that was, it struck a supposedly like neutral zone, what's supposed to be neutral in Gaza, and it killed two newborn twins.

It sucks. Yeah. Or is super, super, super ugly. And I wish the people that called for it often had to go fight at themselves. Yeah. There's no way to do it clean. Yeah. There's not. I mean, you can't develop a bomb or a strategy or a technique that's going to be 100% precise that there's not going to be some residual damage on people that you are trying to avoid damaging, especially when your enemy is aware of areas that you are hesitant to target so they make them their headquartered. I'm not saying

this is the instance in this. Right. Yeah. I mean, you can look at whether it's ISIS or in Iraq and Afghanistan, the use of either mosques or hospitals to either hide equipment, personnel, the combination of, I mean, it sucks, man. War is ugly. To see innocent life taken like that is horrendous and as much as I hate to say it, unavoidable. Yeah. Unless we stop fighting wars, which we're not going to because human beings have been

fighting each other since human beings became a thing. Right. Yeah. So, yeah. And I guess I don't really know, but it seems like now we're doing it the most, it's weird to call it humane, but the most humane way we've ever done it, do you think? That would be accurate? That would be accurate. Like the most concise way to kill somebody?

Yes. And they just turned into Camoli? Yeah. Yeah, I don't know if there's a humane way to kill someone. Right. I get what you're saying it. It's the most lights off version. Yeah.

I think we do our best. But, I mean, again, you're target, let's say you're targeting the next to Samabin-Lahn, right? Mm-hmm. And he's in a vehicle by himself. Easy problem. Yeah. What if he's in a vehicle with three kids? Right.

He's not in that vehicle accidentally, but you have a chance to end or stop or prevent. You know, where's the math on that? Right. You know, is it the most humane way to kill him? Sure. But what if you vaporize everybody in that car? Where's the humanity in that? Mm-hmm.

You know? Yeah. I am not one, two. I don't know. I have no experience with it, so I can't really give a, educated opinion but it's rough to see i wish i could say that there would be a way to figure it out and nothing like that would ever happen and my limited exposure in experience i don't think that's possible yeah yeah real downer things yeah you're welcome what else you got we got time for one more

yeah um at least you're laughing at the beginning of this one oh okay let's just so send it it seems questionable tlc yeah the learning channel okay Okay. They have, I don't know if it's TLC, but they have a show basically where these two adults adopt this 18-year-old from Russia. Where the fuck is this guy? And the guy is super creepy about it. Like, is it two dudes? No, no, no.

It's a man and a woman. Okay. And they're married. Okay. But the guy is like. Is it an 18-year-old boy or girl? Girl. So you can kind of see where this is.

going. Okay. Okay. Let me see. Tell me more. Where's the question in this? I just want you to experience this. Okay.

It's like, it's similar to the major bader. Oh, boy. I mean, it sounds creepy already. It is really creepy. Yeah. Maybe I can't find it. Maybe you shouldn't be able to find. Yeah.

So where did the question come from? Is this just something you needed to have burned into my prefrontal cortex? Oh, adult adopting adults. Maybe that's the... Oh, yes, yes, it's here. God. Damn it. What do we have here?

This is a TLC show. Yes, this is a TLC show. So, this is super leggy. Annie pulls the plight. Thank God. On adults, okay, I can tell you right now. No, hard no. Psychedelic shirt.

Welcome home, Ileana. Yeah. Oh, my God. The series, which was really set for 10 episode run on an A&E debuted in January, running both on the network and streaming on the app at AETV.com. However, the show was suddenly pulled no shit from all platforms after the third episode. It has been canceled due to low ratings. Jesus, just scroll down a little bit more.

Yeah. The series was announced in December as a way to tell the incredible stories of adults seeking legal adoption for either a sincere desire for a true family experience or perhaps more questionable motives. Yeah, probably more the latter. pregnant 20-year-old Ileana from Austria Put another shrimp on the bobby You don't even know what that's from do you The Australian guy that

You're a fucking idiot That's from the movie Dumb and Dumber Oh I've seen Dumb and Dumber I love Dumb and Dumber Yeah when he was the driver and he jumps into the backseat And she was from Austria He goes out good day mate Yes I remember that I remember that

Yeah Christine and Danyauffer looking into adopting A pregnant 20 year old Ileana from Austria however Danny. I once tried to adopt an eight-year-old young woman, but it fell through because he had romantic. Oh, my God. Christy noted that Danny has been unfaithful before

and worries that the same thing will happen again with I don't know. Maybe put your fucking foot down then. Yeah. Oh, Jesus. It became a hot topic on social media, as he told her. I want you to stay right here because I like hugging you and you were awfully sweet. Oh, my God. Yeah, I got accused of grooming and human trafficking.

Weird. I wonder where they got that. That's so odd. Shortly after the show is to be. viewers began accusing health of grooming and human trafficking. Additionally, videos resurfaced from his now deleted TikTok account, during which he makes racially charged comments, including racism is alive and well in this country. Unfortunately, I'm not even reading the rest of that sentence.

Oh, my God. Why is a 59-year-old have TikTok? That's an excellent question. Do you have TikTok? No. No, I don't either. And I'm 24. Do you have Snapy Chat?

Nope. I got rid of that like four years ago. Yeah, I have Instagram. That's all I got. Me too. Actually, I have Twitter, but I never post to it. So I don't know why I saw it. Yeah.

I think I, well, it's X now. Whatever. People know. Yeah. I had, I don't know. I think I have an account, but I never, like it. I don't even think I have the app on my phone. If you were to rate from zero to 100 percent, the legitimacy of that particular adoption,

zero being zero, 100 being 100, where would you put that one? If you were the auditor assigned to that case. Two percent? Yeah. That's low. That's gracious. So I was going to be with a straight 0.00%. I feel like he was just interested in the lady.

Oh, you think? I don't think you have to be Sherlock Holmes to figure that one out, buddy. Personally, I think that's probably the case. But yeah, I just wanted you to see that and see your reaction to that. I don't like it. I don't like predators. Yeah, it's weird. It's beyond weird.

Yeah. I mean, it's creepy. I don't like people who. I mean, what's going on with his wife? Yeah, how could you allow that? Like, she should probably just divorce him. Yeah, worried that he already had inappropriate behavior. Yeah.

What's the bumper sticker? Hope is not a good strategy. I mean, come on. What are we waiting for here? I hope he doesn't do it again. Fuck. People are so stupid sometimes. I put myself in that category.

But not like that. That's fucked. Yeah, that's beyond stupid. Yeah. Closing thoughts from Michael. What do you have? have um don't be stupid have you liked your first role as a security officer yeah it's good it's very um easy which isn't bad like i'm not complaining about that but thank you for your service michael

it's my honor to secure you i can take care of that on my own but i mean like you can do that for other people there i guess yeah i've had multiple people tell me thank you for your service if you guys come to the coffee shop. Michael's going to be there. He's the gingerhead curly fuck. He's got a vest on from the Civil War. Thank him for his service. He loves it when people ask him for pictures.

Have you been asked for an autograph yet? Nope. Well, there's always your next shift. There's still time. Perfect. What do you want to close that with? If you live in the UK, watch out.

Be careful what you say. Thomas Cruz, O.T.8's coming for your shit before you even do it. Yeah. You know what freaks me out is I think that people, if they were promised security, they would cannonball into that pool and allow the government to do it. Yeah. Unfortunately.

Yep. Not true. Fucking, we put tea in water. You know what I'm saying? Hell yeah. Yeah. Allegedly. I've heard that.

Maybe that didn't happen. All right. All right.