Cleared Hot - Powered By BRCC - Episode 147 - Mike Glover

Episode Date: September 28, 2020

Mike spent 18 years in the US Army and as a government contractor for OGA (Other Government Agency). He served as a SGM (Sergeant Major) in Special Forces in various positions and deployed multiple times to combat theaters. He is an expert in Counter-Terrorism, security, and crisis management operations and is the host of the Fieldcraft Survival Podcast on iTunes, and Soundcloud. He is an avid outdoorsman, overland and traveler, and hunter. He has a bachelors degree in Homeland Security and resides in Prescott, AZ where he is the CEO of Fieldcraft Survival.

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Met him for the first time when we recorded our previous episode, which the feedback from our first meeting was overwhelming. He is an ex-Army Green Beret, also known as Special Forces. He then was a CIA contractor. What? And then, of course, got out and started Fieldcraft Survival. We talked for three and a half hours. I'm not even going to try to explain what we talked about.

All I can say is I am looking forward to round three. So let's get into round two. Episode number 147 with the man himself. Mike Glover. Enjoy. Get the red smoke. To the smoke. I'm looking at danger close now.

Can't be clear not. Thank God for YouTube. Fuck. Thank God for YouTube and Google, right? Yeah. I spent hours. The first thing, of course, I googled was, what does Joe Rogan have in his studio? Yeah.

And there is. five web pages dedicated to completely that all the details too so I was just to chink to chink to chink and then I also I'm going to be honest I have a slight advantage I just got a hold of Jamie his producer

and said hey what do I need to do and he wrote me out a list I was like yeah Roger that I'm like and beware if you send me some crazy shit I'm going to buy some crazy shit so please just give me the bare essentials I don't need the Millennium Falcon like you guys have yeah yeah

fuck man Dude, this is cool because it ties into this badass wood table. Which is made from wood in Montana with a dude that I do jujitsu with who like fully crafted it. The guy cut down trees at my house where we did the first podcast. Yeah, yeah. Put this whole thing together and like the legs of it has got some metal that his buddy did. It's awesome. So this is from your property.

The wood is not from my property, but the guy, I wish. I think I don't know shit about wood, but I think you have to let it season for a season or two. So this is older. but like the living, he killed it. It's awesome. And I just love the craftsmanship and artisanship of some of the people up here. I love it, man. It's unbelievable.

I love it. I just did a post on a cowboy hat that I got from Billings, Montana. I saw it. So awesome. Wasn't it like 20 years old? The hat that was the... Yeah, the hat I was actually holding in was a charcoal color, but it was 21 years old and patinaed. Like, it doesn't even look like that when you buy it new.

It looks gray. But that hat looked like it was brand new almost. Yeah. The condition of it. After 21 years of like ranch living, I'm like, damn, I need three of them. I didn't get three because they're like a thousand apiece, but I got one. Yeah. And then I was looking, the only thing I think I deviated from with Joe was the arms holding the microphones because you often see them coming up and angling down.

I don't like that. Yeah. I like this because it's straight across. We can see each other. And there's no, I've had four people in here before. And there's no, there's no issue with looking across and making eye contact. I hate that. The shit in your face.

Yeah. I don't like that either. Yeah. Yeah. So it was low. Um, yeah, other than that, I basically just spent a lot of time on the internet and Amazon.com. I like it. Are you have these mics, are these headphones hooked up into a filter?

They, okay. So it goes down through the table. Yeah. Have you ever heard measure twice cut once? Yes. Okay. So we drilled the holes for these directly into the metal beams that are supporting the table. Because we didn't measure, we eyeballed it, which is why they had these little, you know, little plug there in between.

Nice. The extension table. Yeah. So Cameron, he was just like, fuck me. I just made this table. And the first thing we did was drill a hole in the wrong place. Which is like a new car, right? You might as well, you need to like,

what you need to do with the new car is flip your knife open and like chip to paint somewhere. So you're just going to happen. Let's get it over it. Let's get it over with. So within this table being in this room for 20 minutes, we had drilled two holes in the wrong place. Which he plugged amazingly. So everything goes down and then around behind you. And it goes through our headphones.

are on, it's probably behind the chair. You might not be able to see it. Yeah. But the mics and stuff all goes into a, I don't know what to call it anymore. It's, the headphones,

it's just a boost. Yeah. And then everything else, you know, you have to have that interface between the digital signal and the computer, which is the red box underneath.

And then I just were recording live. I use audition because I don't know much about anything and I find it to be the easiest program to use. Damn, this makes me a set of a little bit of a good. No. Like I got my cell phone turned around and just like record. Disable. I'm not doing that, but I'm doing Dude, when I started the same thing. I had a little mic with a little pop filter and a zoom. And then I went from that to the roadcaster, which we were using last time. And finally I was like, you know what?

I have nothing else to do during this COVID time period. Might as well. I'm going to try. I'm going to try. This is like your firebase. You're just upgrading. You're just upgrading. Well, there's one thing that's left that's coming. And that is the Guinness Keggerator. and I think I'm going to have Cameron drill one more hole and I think I'm going to put the tap directly there in the center. That would be bad. But do you know of any other podcast studio that has an actual alcohol dispensing device

on the table? You don't have to get up? No, I want to make sure that everybody, it's got to be ergonomic, right? Everybody needs to have the chance to reach it. So we'll just go with Guinness coming directly out of the table. Do you get sponsored by Guinness? No, no.

It's a reverse sponsorship. I think I turn the lights on and off with that. them. It's delightful. It's like an ice cream in a can. I love, well, first of all, I love Calispell and whitefish like this area. Yeah. Dude, it's such an amazing. It's like for me, it's like it literally feels like therapy. I feel like you know how you like you're in, you're in Bogram and you're around a whole bunch of shit. Which doesn't feel like therapy. Yeah, it doesn't at all. You feel like overwhelmed. And then you get to the firebase and everything's quiet. That's how I feel like. That's,

The helicopter just dropped me off. I'm like, thank God I'm home. And it feels like that here, man. I love it here. I love it. Unfortunately, obviously, you got to see it once without this ridiculous smoke. This smoke just showed up yesterday. I saw that.

I was in Bozeman. I looked it up last night. What does that smoke from? I think we still have a westerly wind. So I believe it's blowing in from the western states. Wow, man. Those guys are being. They're getting crushed.

And the thing is with this valley, it's, people will talk about it. Like, oh, the valley's a bubble. And they're talking about, like, socioeconomic stuff, which is true. Yeah. But it's also a weather bubble because there's mountains on the west side and on the east side. So this stuff, if there's a high pressure, the smoke just gets smashed in here. It'll be like this for a few days. It was hot as hell yesterday here.

It'll be like that again today. I couldn't believe it. It was hotter. It was actually hotter here than it was Bozeman and then Utah where I drove from. And I was like, how does that work? Like, how does that work where it's hotter here in this little pocket? than it is anywhere else. I have no idea.

I'm like near Canada. We're near Canada, right? We are 60 miles as the crow flies from Canada. Wow. But they won't let us in right now. Yeah. Really? The invisible enemy is shutting.

Do they lock the gates? I mean, I think they have commerce going back and forth. Yeah. But you just can't go over and... I don't think you can go, basically kick around for tourism. That's so dumb. It's the invisible threat. I saw the...

Stay vigilant, Mike. I saw the Twitter, the CDC. Do you see that yet? the CDC dropped the I can't keep track of the number of times that the CDC is going back and forth. They said a smoke, a mask is not going to help you from

smoke inhalation. And I'm like, how does that work? And there's dudes justifying. They're saying they're talking about droplets of water. I'm like, the droplets of water is the virus measured in nanometers. That's what they're talking about. They're not talking about literal drops of water. They're talking about droplets of saliva, which is 99, I think, 0.4% of

Yeah, like aerosolides droplets. Yeah, it's droplets. And so they're like, it's not going to protect you from smoke particles or particulates, but it will protect you from COVID. And everybody was like, what? And that tweet doesn't have a lot of interaction or engagement. It's straight from CDC.

What's up with that? Let's be honest. If that implies that everybody is dishonest. I mean, so I did a couple podcasts. with Brian Bishop, a buddy of my own Marine Corps. And it didn't flame the internet to a degree because we were chatting about masks. My thing is, if masks,

if it really, if it was incredibly important, they would tell you what type to wear. They wouldn't say it could be a t-shirt or a scarf or a sock over your face. Hank or shift. Correct. It's like, come on. They either matter or they don't matter.

True. So what is actually going on here? Yeah. It gives me pause to think. Yeah. Well, you remember when it originally came out, everything was it's not, all the experts came out and they're like, it's not going to work. Masks don't work. And I was actually like, but wait a minute. Like the nurses wear mask. I know what in 95 masks do.

like why would you even put that out? And then I was like, that's, wait a minute. And then all of a sudden, masks were the thing. And then all those experts recanted their statements. And I'm like, dude, what is going on now? And it was a supply and demand issue maybe. And I buy into that maybe. But the fact that the handkerchief is going to be called a mask or a skiing buff

over your neck or people just tying t-shirts around their face. It's like, come on. You can't tell me that that all works effectively the same way. I had a lady sitting next to me. I have a deviated septimorm on right side. you probably do too from getting smashed in the face so many times. Or shooting Carl Gustavs until your nosebleeds? Oh, yeah.

I love that. I deal with that routinely. So this lady is next to me and I couldn't breathe and I kept pulling down my mask just so I could breathe through my nose and take a breath through my mouth and put it back over on the plane. And she's like, you need to get what I got. And so she pulls out her mask and it looks like a pair of lace, like it looks like panties. and it's the lace portion of like, I guess, stocking or panties. This, what you're describing may have started its life as panties.

It literally could have been panties. Like, she could have pulled them out of her pants. But she goes, use this. And I'm like, but that's not even, she goes, nobody matter. It doesn't matter if they don't even say anything. I'm just going to do that. I'm going to make a mask out of like a fishing net. Yeah.

The big fishing net. Your nose sticks through. It's a mask, man. Yeah. And then there's, I'm listening to the. like, well, we're canceling Halloween. It's like, that's the one day where you wear a mask. Yeah. And for kids. Do it for the children. I mean, at least for the kids. I actually spent far too long on the internet trying to find a Stormtrooper mask that I was going to wear into like grocery

stores just to mock. Oh yeah. And I'm not mocking people dying. Everybody, calm the fuck down. I want to have fun with the shit sandwich that we're all eating. So why can't I wear a Stormtrooper mask? Yeah. And people like, you have to wear a wask. And like, you have to wear a was. Like, obviously I am. Yeah. I'm going to wear a full suit, a suit, a cape. Caps are the barriers between us and COVID. It's pretty crazy, man.

Oh, God. You're a stat guy, too. You saw the, was it 6%? I don't know if I'd call myself a stat guy, but I love hard science. You love facts. I like facts, math, hard science, statistics. You know what's funny is talking to you about that. And then even listening to Joe and you guys, it's interesting.

because I've always been that kind of guy. Yeah. But on a big stage, you guys are doing that. And that's important because so many people, and I've seen you check people with stats. I even think of my head, I can't bring some grimy shit. I can't show up like hypotheticals, man. I need to have some analytics behind what I'm talking about.

I like that, though. I'm all about hypotheticals as long as the conversation is framed around this being hypothetical. We can work our way through these ideas. I love the economy and commerce of ideas. but I also think as an individual, like if I sit down and have a conversation with somebody, I feel like I need to have an understanding of where my position comes from. Yeah. And it's okay if your position comes from emotion, but just don't confuse that with your position

coming from something that is based, again, in the hard science or math or fact. Yeah. Especially when you're arguing it, right? And you're trying to convince people of it to get, hey, get on my team. At least, that's what I, I can't remember where I heard this recently, but I'll listen to audio books. like you guys on the road, and I'm just inundated with information. But there was a guy talking about layers of communication. Oh, it was Tim.

It was Tim Kennedy, my buddy Tim. And he was talking about how he wants people to talk. Like, if you really want to debate a point, be a good listener. Be an advocate for being a good listener because the more somebody talks, the more their story becomes, like it comes unfolded. And if you're faking the funk, we know this. because like our lives in the military, everybody sees that.

It's very transparent. And you want that. So you want to debate or you want to suppress. Keep talking and let's see what your true arguments are. Let's see at the root of it what you are. I love how he framed it too. I know. I want stupid people to keep talking.

Yeah, I know. I know. Yes. It's so true. We got to be big. Are you going to let me talk a lot now on this? Don't talk to. You can say whatever you want to.

I actually, I mean, the first podcast we did lit the internet ablaze and touch. I saw that. Yeah. So I think this one will probably. probably do the same. Are we on a podcast right now? Yeah. Oh yeah, we're going. I like how you organically just start that, kick that off.

I just hit, here's the thing I've learned. Awesome conversations will happen if you don't hit record right away. What's the worst thing that could happen? It takes up a megabyte on your recording device. That's true. Hit the record. So this is it. We're on it right now. We've been on for like 20. I love it. That's so awesome. It did. I got great feedback from that. And especially with the conversation that we had about killing people unusual. I got 100. hundreds of messages from people who, and most of them, they followed a similar trend. One, they were shocked that we were able to openly talk about it from that perspective. And secondly, they were thankful that we pulled the veil back on that a little bit.

And it wasn't something that I had, and I actually had a few friends reach out to me and say, that's the first time you've ever opened up on that topic. And I was thinking about it. It's like, have I ever, do I intentionally avoid it? And it was no. I just, you got to have the right. person to have that conversation with. Absolutely. I think we, the same exact thing happened to me where I thought about it and I said, oh, I've had those conversations, but with team dudes that were

standing next to me at the time. Yeah. Like where we were comparing notes or saying, hey, how do you remember that night? And it was always an afterthought. But in hindsight, looking back at our conversation between two guys who have different experiences in that environment and people are prevy to that conversation, that's got to be unique. It has to be an odd thing. I feel odd for them. Like not understanding our mindset and not realizing that we're not as normal, which took me a while in the transition in civilian life, realizing that. You may not think you're normal. I am the single most normal person I know. I don't have any problems at all. No residual, no baggage from our own. That's what I hear. I'm totally sane.

Those are the rumors. Yeah. I don't distrust. humanity and human beings at all. I just look at everything as fucking rainbows and gum drops. Yeah, I'm not what you would call paranoid at all. When you had to disarm like Claymore coming into your driveway, I was like, this is totally normal. Like that, I would have to disarm that too. Why are your trees painted different colors at 100 yard increments? I don't know. I like to paint. Yeah. No, it was interesting listening to Tim on Joe's podcast. And for people who haven't listened to it, I highly recommend that they do. Like I said before we started, I'm always incredibly impressed with SF, Special Forces,

specifically the ability to articulate the mission set. Like the way Tim broke down everything from J-SET to the programs going over there for security, the buy with and through, all of that stuff. I think soft, and I don't know if we unpacked this the last time, SF specifically Green Beret ODA type stuff. A lot of people would just say SF and they think they're talking about the community. That for people listening would be soft, special operations forces. I would say in my experience that the SF community is amazing job at explaining the mission set and that understanding.

Better so I would say than the SEAL community for sure because we're more like smash rock, you know, or turn rock into pebbles, pebbles into dust. We're very good at that. I wonder why that, but why is that? You know? Culturally or is it actually like a training thing? No, but look at, we were talking about this last, you know, Robin Sage. There's no Robin Sage for our community. It should be.

There should be, but also at the same time, your community and the community I came from, they drew slightly from different origins. And I think they went in that direction. And it's interesting because, you know, the UDT, the predecessors of the seal teams, these men who had fucking balls that you needed wheel barrels to carry around. Their UDT shorts. Yeah, their primary weapon was. a slate on their arm in a lead line so they could go measure fathoms. They would just go in

before amphibious invasions, covered in axle grease, which I've never covered myself in axle grease. Really? They used to do that. Dude, before-cover themselves in axle grease. Before wetsuits, they were trying to put like a petroleum layer on for warmth. Wow. Because they were rolling in, I mean, you know what UD T shorts are. Oh, yeah. The most unacceptable attire for any human being ever. Super uncomfortable. Yeah. So they would throw that on, a Jacques Cousteau dive mask, and they would go out and they would survey the beach and looking for, you know, the avenues in. They would look for obstacles.

They would blow obstacles. And they would do that prior to an invasion. They sewed like a K-bar knife on their leg. And their whole thing is they were just measuring water. And we did this in training. They were tying knots. There's a knot tied at every fathom mark on a piece of string. And you just swim along the beach and you measure it.

You write it down on a fucking grease pencil on your arm. Wow. Those are the predecessors to the seal. So it came from that world. Then to Vietnam, where it switched from UDT to the SEAL teams. And then I just think our pipeline, it never, like, I don't ever remember early on in our career the term fit. I remember hearing the term and I knew what it was, but it was never our primary mission said. Yeah.

Or, you know, advise and assist or going with the partner force. And I think the origin, and I'm speaking from outside, obviously, you can correct me, but I think the origin of SF is more in that direction. Yeah. And so I think at a cultural pipeline level, it's just deeper. but the ability I'm so impressed with Tim because the ability to articulate those things, in my opinion, makes you so much better at the execution because he defined at a granular level, the role, and if you can do that, you know exactly what your job is. And you're going to be so much better at it overseas. Yeah, he's super intelligent. I actually was within the same unit. We went to sniper school

together and did a whole bunch of stuff. And he's always been kind of that guy. And I think you're right. Part of it is the training pipeline. Like they teach us, MD&P, the military decision-making process, they harp on planning in the five-paragraph operations order. We do, even in small unit tactics, where you're learning patrolling and all the things that you would do in the wood line, you're still having to plan this along the way.

And I mean, I went to Ranger School when I was 18 years old in operations orders, which was the scariest thing for me, because patrolling is easy. Reacting to contact battle drills, that's easy. But standing in front, of senior NCOs that are going to Rainer School as well. It's a PFC, a private first class. And then having to plan, that was beat into you.

Because it's either like you swim or you drown. And I think you're right. And that kind of stuff is harped. But I've seen some dumb SF guys. But just like I've seen some dumb sealed dudes who look at foreign internal defense who go, I don't ever want to do that. And then I go, man. And they just fucked up by saying that.

because that, so Afghanistan 2010, my last tour there, it was as far away from the DA direct action. Oh, that's one thing that we have to do. Did you get a bunch of emails saying, I didn't understand anything you guys were talking about because it was all acronyms? Yeah. So we got to do our best to recommend. People literally were like, you asshole, put a glossary on the podcast description. I'm like, sorry, man, like we were talking about shit. The DA raid.

Yeah. Direct action. So it would be, you know, you're literally going to a compound or a, a, of, a, um, you're, you're literally going to a, village and you're trying to find fix and finish somebody in a location essentially okay so that i think is what most people to include myself wanted to do with their career but as battle space is mature like oi f one and o e f one d a centric oh yeah oh i f five six seven eight nine ten probably still d a centric in the six seven eight nine time period beyond that you went over the hill and it became partner forced by through and with. Afghanistan exactly the same thing. So I go back in 2010

and, you know, we're out at Fobnabhar with a partner force, mandatory one-to-one partner force, either A&A or A&P, and some people were really resistant to it. Like, this is stupid. You know, I don't want to do this. This isn't what I signed up for. I'm like, you're a moron. If you understand FID or the partner force, it's the key that unlocks. Yes. The connect. aspect later on. That's how you get on the target. Correct. It's like, come on, man. This is our chessboard now. Let's look at our pieces. And we had an incredibly kinetic deployment because we smartly played the pieces that were in front of us. Yeah, I think unconventional warfare and a regular warfare are also bred in the relationships that you build with host nation forces.

So it's all access and placement. If you're involved in day-to-day operations, that might be training, what you're able to do is all the second, third, tertiary, you know, elements that are required in building up the packet, I guess, for unconventional warfare, to be able to do the advanced forward operations to prepare the battle for. They call this operational preparation of the environment, OPE, which is all the things you need to do to set that place up where when it falls apart, if it falls apart, which most likely it will, then you're prepared to go into war. And that's like that's Green Beret 101, which is

foreign internal defense, is that access and placement. I remember in 06 working with the SEALs, they were all young SEALs. Most of them didn't have war. Their leadership did because they were there in 5 and 4. But they were like, we don't need to do fit. I'm like, counter

terrorism foreign internal defense is the way and the means to get in the fight. Trust me. And we started they started picking up on it more. And I saw young guys like 22 years old. take a lot of pride in teaching CQB, teaching, and then they're honing their own skill sets. Because when you teach,

that's when you determine how well you actually know something. 100%. You become a better practitioner of the skill sets that you're teaching. Because you get asked my favorite question. People will say, why do you do this? It's like, um, because the guy who taught me told me to do it. Wrong answer.

Yeah. Incorrect answer, sir. Yeah. And that's a lot of people now. Yeah. And obviously, if you're an instructor and somebody asks you that and you don't know the answer, you say, shut the fuck up. This isn't question to answer time.

Yeah. But that's just a, that's a bullshit move because then you need to go figure out what it is. Yeah. You go ask your buddies like, what was this? Yeah. Hey, I just had to crush this dude real fast. Tell him to shut up. Does anybody know the answer?

100% man. Yeah, I'm a big fan of Fid always have been, but understanding its role. Because, I mean, I was that guy. Everybody who's young. We were all that guy. We were all that guy. We were all that guy. I'd take doors and shoot people in the face.

I'm like, you can get there, man. And by the end of my career, even as a Sart major and his team Sartant, it was if I could facilitate the kill, which sounds like desperation. It kind of was. I was like, even if we can facilitate the kill guys and try to motivate them,

they're like, facilitate. You mean like setting the parameters? Like, yeah, yeah, you know, doing the intel and the SDRs, anything we could do. And I'm like,

oh, God, this sucks. But it's just the evolution of war. But it's also, I think, the long-term strategy to win. The U.S. military, we can't commit everywhere that we need to. And Tim was talking about that, too.

What happens if why we're there, stability and security. And that's one of the biggest things that I wish people would, because I hear this all the time, as I'm sure everybody does who pays attention, the complaints about the foreign policy of the United States. We're interventionalists. We're out there, you know,

and basically repeating what Tim was saying, you know, we're out there policing the world. And that's not the point, and that's not what we're trying to do. We're trying to facilitate these people in the countries that they're in policing themselves. Yeah. And that's the long-term strategy because, I mean,

let's just look at this. special operations community. Imagine if they had to keep the op tempo for the 2000 to 2010 time period. It would grind people into dust. I don't think it's possible. Yeah, I don't think they can manage it. I don't think they're prepared for that kind of, I don't even know what you'd call that, the second and third order effects of that.

It would crush people physically, physiologically, emotionally. Yeah. I'm broke. Like when I think about six, seven, and eight, even just those three years, that wore me out. I mean, that, that, I loved it. And we were, I was super pumped and motivated about life. And we'll never get those years back. But I look back on those years and I'm like, man, dude, we're like the, the op tempo for that of like, even coming back, I think my five rotation, I did nine months in Afghanistan and a firebase.

And I came back and spent two months home and then went straight to Iraq for some DA stuff. Then came home, went to sniper school, went to free fall school. and then went straight back to Iraq again and like I don't remember living a life in my 20s. How could you? You didn't. Yeah, I didn't. Yeah, that's why I'm trying to make up for it now as an old man.

But how much did you love that time period? You're like, oh my God. I thought I was navving out a way. I'm like, is there a way for us to live this as our lives? You know? And that is how you would be dead at 35 of adrenal failure. That's true. And yeah, just completely and utterly smoked.

Yeah. Yeah. And I think I remember Command Sergeant Major Ferris, who was the, at the time, he might have been J-Soc or Socom CSM. And he said, we are going to make sure we take care of the guys. And he started the red, amber green cycle. And he said mandatory time home. That lasted a couple months. Yeah.

And he's like, oh, shit, the wheels fall off. Let's go back to war. Well, I think one of the most insidious parts of that is that the guys, if you give them the choice, they'll put the gas. to the floor. Oh, yeah. And I think I was talking with Jason Silva and he was just saying the job always suffers last. And I saw it in myself. If I'm being totally honest and I look back, I, when I was overseas, stoked. And when I was home, I was thinking about overseas and what I need to do to go back over there. And shit would fall off. May it may like a wheel coming off, but the lug bolts, the lug bolts were coming a little bit loose. And you just put it to the side because the job

suffers last. And then what you end up with is, let's say you do 20, started at 18. You have a 38 year old early in life, early in life. Incredible military accomplishments, intelligent, but probably physically and psychologically at the tail end of what they can tolerate. And I don't think that's healthy for people at all. And you couldn't stop them in the middle of that because that's what they want to do. Yeah. And I don't know the solution for that. I don't think there is one. I listen to, do you see the, one of the special missions units, Cag, Medal of Honor. Mettaire of Honor. Yep.

Pat Payne. And, you know, I see, so I knew Pat Payne when I was there. And Pat Payne's a rock star. It feels weird saying his name openly. But is he still in? He's still in. Okay. Yeah.

So there's rumors. Like Pat Payne's an 18 year guy right now. He's a young guy. Pat Payne, when we were. together in Afghanistan. He got enemy fragmentation. He's the kind of guy who got injured, went home with another guy off an objective where 36 enemy combatants were killed. No casts, all small arms, a big gunfight. Two, I think two guys were wounded from getting shot and then two guys were wounded from fragmentation. Lost a dog on that objective. He goes home for a couple of weeks

and fights to get back and gets back. He's that kind of guy, wins best ranger. And he's that kind of guy. Wins best ranger in 2012. And then it's just a rock star. And then on this hit in 2015, you know, selflessly, he's running the bulk cutters. He gets called up as I think he's a 2IC. It gets called up.

They're in a gunfight. The guys that are in a hallway, I think it's probably one of the teams that are in a hallway. I was actually on the CIA side of this in Erbil at the time. And they go to cut the bulk cutters and they can't get through them

because the smoke inhalation. So this is a, partnered force operation. It's bilateral, which means you're operating with one unilateral American force and typically a host nation force. And the smoke inhalation is causing them to not be able to get through the chain. And all the hostages are locked behind the door. And so ISIS and the gunfights and everything, they're clacking off their vest. The building's on fire. They're in a gunfight. The guys, I can't remember. I wouldn't say what team it was, but one of the teams was inside the hallway, and they're down to their last magazine in this gunfight.

He comes, he exposes himself to gunfire, tries to unlock it, switches out with one of the Iraqi partner forces. He can't get it. He takes a breath, comes back in again, and then unlatches it. Not only do they free 70 plus hostages who, most of them were Azidi, Christian, Iraqis, which is common to the Kurdish people. They break out and they set up a human wall to shield them as, they're running off the X in the middle of the gunfight trying to get to the helicopters.

And, you know, in the, in historical terms, it is the largest hostage rescue, successful hostage rescue conducted in the modern global war on terror. Probably by a magnitude of war. Oh, a huge magnitude. I mean, I've done hostage rescues where he rescued, same kind of Iraqi deal, like a dozen people. But 70 plus. I've gone on it where you're looking for a single person. Yeah, absolutely.

The Italian job is a good one, two guys. So not a good movie is a total aside. Not a good YouTube video. But all these guys and gals get off. They get rescued. And that's just, like, I hate to say this, but that's like a normal day. Like when you're doing a DA hit, all the technical things that are going on, the stress that you're processing, like the literal life of an operator in that unit or in special operations is living their life through technical means, like an appeal.

V perspective. And those things that are happening are just everyday routines, except, you know, in this case, Pat Payne, Sergeant Major Pat Payne went above and beyond. But I would argue that lots of guys and tiered units and special operations go above and beyond and are never ever recognized, ever. And nothing to say, because Pat Payne deserves that. But here's what I know about Pat Payne in the context of what we were talking about originally is he's wearing that medal. Master's Sergeant Josh Wheeler, who was a rock star in that unit, was killed tragically in a gunfight. His, I think his last words were on me because he was a T.L. at the time and got killed in a gunfight. And when you look at the award, which is the Medal of Honor, and you look at the responsibility,

he's going to bear that responsibility. He's going to take that in. But now he's no longer operational. And I know right now he's going back and forth with the Department of the Army, as he should be. to lead because he wants to lead. And, you know, there's a rumor he might want to want to lead special operations units. That's the kind of leader we need in the military. But those kind of guys exist all over the special operations community from Ranger Regiment all the way to the tier one forces. And they do these kind of things every single day. And none of them want valorous awards. Because if you get a Medal of Honor, that's taking you out of the fight. Now he has to, he's a 30-year-a-old guy. he's got 12 years where if they pull him out of the fight,

he, at the prime of his career, because he's still a young dude, he's younger than us, wants to still be in the fight, and now he's out of it. They're not going to let him. I think they did the same thing with Ed Byers. He got the M-O-H, Afghanistan. It actually was a hostage rescue as well, I believe. It was. It was Afghanistan, that's right.

It was Afghanistan. Yeah. And it's, God, what would be the polite way to put this? It's too risky for the United States military or the government to lose that individual if they were to go back. They become too valuable. And I don't say this negatively towards the person who's receiving the award

because they have nothing but respect. But I feel like to a degree they become too valuable of a chess piece and they're not willing to put them back on the board. Yeah, I feel that way too in a sense. I think I had to even say it this way, but I think he has a broader responsibility now. I agree with that too.

And I couldn't agree with your sentiment more. The number of like things that I have seen that define bravery, so far beyond like the Webster's Dictionary or valorous actions that went completely and utterly unrecognized because either nobody saw it or nobody said shit about it is unbelievable. Yeah. Nobody cared because they were on to the next target. Yeah. They're doing another TST. Or everybody else was doing exactly the same thing because that is. Yeah, it's hard to describe.

I thought it was amazing that they recognized him for that effort. Smoke inhalation is no joke. Oh, yeah. It's not like outside right now. Yeah, it's crazy. I have only one experience with that. And this is not to try to draw a comparison between the Malavar story at all. This is us being dumb fuckwits in Iraq.

So this is OIF one, right? We are still like, we're so badass. We know everything. And then you look backwards. We were really dumb. We got very, very lucky. Trying to figure it out. So we're rolling downtown Baghdad.

I think we had borrowed Cags, uh, panders. Or no, what are the, the special vehicles that they have? The panters, yeah, the panthers. So six week, or six wheeled ones? I don't know where we got them,

but we were driving around in them. Sorry, Kag guys, love you to death. And, uh, we, I remember we roll up and we like, L'd the outside of a compound. Breach went off.

And there was a, like a bucket of either gasoline or propane. Pretty proximal to, the breach. So when it went off, it sprayed it everywhere. And I have never, I've never been a firefighter. So I've never really seen a house kind of go up. But the blackness of the smoke. And of course, looking back at this, the people that we were, I don't even remember who we were after, but I can tell you right now, they didn't rise to any occasion where any of us should have gone inside of that building. Yeah. Yeah. So of course, we all ran in. Yeah. Kicked in the doors.

I'm like upstairs. And it is so dark. Like I've always, up until this point you hear like well if your house is on fire just like just get out yeah i couldn't see shit i was crawling on the floor to find the stairs like watching the black smoke and breathing it into and i get down the stairs and it's the same thing and as i run out there is a fucking propane tank where the outside of the propane tank is on fire that we all ran past on the way in great situational awareness right so we just got out of there and i guess uh you know from the isr platforms they're just like what's happening because it's just this cool that's crazy and I couldn't have done anything I could have there could have been a tiger walking around in that room and I wouldn't

have known it because I couldn't see anything so when you were telling that story because I didn't know the specifics I'm like oh my god I know exactly what you're talking about that's scary too it's super scary I as I remember going up to stairs and I made a left and I got about four steps and I literally just fell to the floor like I have to retrace my steps now wow so obviously we're outside like head nods lasers Oh, everything. Oh, so you're blacked out. Oh, dude, it was done.

And we get back out, and of course, the only thing we need is a headcount because we're getting the fuck out of there. Yeah. But that was one of the most bizarre experiences that I ever had. It's the one time I went into a building like that. But yeah, I can only imagine trying to go and take a breath to run back inside to try to get people out. Yeah. That's how Ambassador Stevens was killed. Really?

Smoke inhalation. So when we, I deployed in October to Libya. The state department now was big on looking at the circumstance. They were finally paying attention. And we hit the ground and we were looking at crisis action plans and, hey, how can we mitigate this? And one of the ways we, we, one of the tactics they used was the tires. They would set, they were throwing the tires. Which is their most horrendous smoke ever.

Oh my gosh. Yeah, because if you, I'm not, I've seen it all. I've seen it in Yemen. I've ran over tires. They're trying to burn in front of us at checkpoints. But it's common in the Middle East. at Africa, and they lit the tires on fire and pushed them through the slats in the compound walls that there were bars.

So you couldn't get... Oh, they wedged them. They wedged them through there and then set them on fire and basically, you know, willed the tires inside. But that smoke inhalation is what cost Ambassador Stevens his life. And, you know, unbeknownst to the popularity of all the circulation of bullshit about him being, you know, raped and mutilated. None of that's true. He died a smoke inhalation. In fact, the picture that you see of him being pulled out, people would think those are the terrorists. Those are actually

good people. Trying to help them. You know, inherently, the Libyan people were actually super friendly, but AQAP, you know, remnants of terrorist organizations coming in there and try to occupy that, that vacuum that was left behind. But they were trying to help them. And then, you know, he was evacuated and he died of smoke inhalation. Man, I can't. That's scary, man. You can see it in that picture. He's so ashen and discolored.

I think I, I mean, I would imagine if I had stayed standing, I probably, a couple good breaths of that probably would have gone out. Oh, yeah. And you lose. And the thing is, that's what happens. You lose consciousness. And then you're stuck in it. And then you're stuck in it. And then you're breathing it.

And then basically your oxygen levels go to nothing. Yeah. You just pass away. You go to sleep and you never wake up again. No thanks. Yeah, no. Hot tip to people. Hot tip.

If you see a propane tank that is burning on the outside, maximize your distance from that propane tank. Yeah. Well, the thing, too, people like with special operations, the reeds, palm trees, and smoke of any kind, you can't see through night vision and lasers. Your lights, your infrared light will not cut through that. Actually, if you turn it on, you're going to see less. Yeah, you'll see left. It's just blind. Yeah.

And then white light does the same thing. So you're blind. You're just, and you're just in darkness as well. Yeah, you get about $50,000 worth of gear on you, and it doesn't work. It's all useless. It's crazy, man. OIF one, man. I wish I got some of that.

I was like a cute horse at the time. You know, it would have been underwhelming for you, looking back in your career. It just, there were, I mean, it was kind of like a smash, complete and overwhelming fire pierce superior order, technological superiority. And it wasn't until later where that vacuum was created. and then people started coming to get their jihad on. Yeah, that's what I hear. That was later.

OIF1 was... I think it's the uncertainty that would entertain me. Oh, for sure. Yeah. You guys are going in there and you have... You're like, this is like what's going to happen? My first real world target ever was the number one chem bio target in Iraq. We were looking at it before we went.

Mop level four, which is mission-oriented protective posture. Yeah. I don't know how to describe to people what it feels like to wear it, other than put a garbage, bag over your face. You have ventilator? I did. I had a...

It was a ventilator, I think. Which is basically, so gas masks traditionally will have one canister, a scrubber canister that has a certain amount of life. But we had a hose that went to our back that had two canisters and it was a battery power blower, essentially. But I just put my weapon sling over the hose,

which was awesome. But yeah, so mop level four is the highest level of protective posture. Just imagine wearing... garbage bags underneath a firefighter set of turnouts with a set of garbage bags over the top. In a sauna.

In a sauna. And you're on an assault bike doing calisthenics. And at a minute out, first real world target ever. Door gunner shot in the face right in front of me. So that I was like, holy fuck. You fly it in 60s? In the image? 47s.

Ooh. Even worse. Four hour flight in. You can't see anything. Oh, no. So we left from R.R. And a flight. And a flight. of I believe it was 447s and 460s. They sent a C-130 with little birds in it to do a desert landing strip. They landed, pulled the little birds out, joined us in flight with the snipers on it. Whoa. Yeah, so it was amazing, right? Whoa. Flexing a little bit of fire superiority.

That's awesome. So that goes down. I think I was on the second 47. There's like 10 rounds or so into the first one, 27 rounds and not a single person other than the door gunner, obviously. He'd I don't think he was the same afterwards because it kind of peeled off the back of his head. But I didn't realize how ridiculous it was until the next morning. We got back, woke up, walked out to see the helicopters, and they're just stitched with bullet holes. And this is a nighttime hit. It was a nighttime hit.

Wow. It was in the first hours of OIF one. Damn. Yeah. Successful hit? Defined successful. Dry hole. Was it?

100% dry hole. The number one. BioTarget in Iraq was an agricultural school. Really? Yeah. I've hit some of those. I ripped off all of my mask and shit as soon as I started seeing textbooks. I'm like, I don't care. I'd rather dive sarin gas than suffocate. They were in the textbooks. Did you look in the textbooks?

I just saw a tomato on it, but I'm like, fuck me, man. Oh. Yeah. That was number one. Jessica Lynch was number two. And then that's a big one. It was that was blown out of proportion, you know. And again, you talk about, you know, the ambassador in Libya, a lot of the people around her were they were trying to do the right thing. They were trying to get her back to American forces. They put her in an ambulance. They tried to get her back to a checkpoint.

She ended up getting the ambulance got shot at because, well, insurgents were not even insurgents. It was the Fed Aene at that time. Yeah. They were using ambulances to move around as their cover. As their cover. So they just picked something that in the days before that, you know what I mean? Now the Americans are conditioned to getting shot at so they're shooting at it from a, like a long day. like, hey, you need to stop and get out of here.

But, you know, we saw no resistance on target. She was being cared for by doctors. It was cool to get her out of there, but it was definitely blown out of proportion. Yeah. One of the coolest things about this podcast is I sat down and I talked with her about it for two-nemmed. That's really cool. Yeah. She had to listen to that. She had never sat down and had a conversation with somebody on the other side.

Were you, was it an in-person interview? Yeah. What was that like? It was surreal because I didn't go into the room with her. My team leader and one of the PJs were the ones in their. in there that were providing medical care. And after she left, we stayed for hours because we're going to find the bad guys.

They'd already left, you know. It's like, hey, we're going to move along. So, and then we moved on to the next. And then we, so we were in Baghdad, I don't know, maybe 48, 72 hours after that. And it was every night, essentially, you know, dusk until dawn, just banging target some good, some bad dry holes, figuring out the intelligence cycle.

Because at that point, we were pushing so hard that essentially they were fleeing. Yeah. Yeah. So there wasn't a lot of resistance. But to be able to go back and sit down and talk about it from her perspective and what she experienced. And I wouldn't want to put words in her mouth. But I personally believe she was used as a huge chess piece.

Yeah. Right. I remember when it first came out that she was rescued, I remember hearing on the news, Jessica Lynch fought to her last round, should be the first female Medal of Honor recipient. And then you look and she never even had a chance to. She tried. She got knocked unconscious, weapon jammed. It's like, what's good?

Like, stop using these people as fucking chess pieces. I know, man. Disgusting. It's not fair to them. It's not. It's not fair to them. She was a truck driver, like an 88 mic. I think she was in the back of a non-armored Humvee.

I think they hit a truck. I believe they, I believe they hit a semi. But yeah, it was a total shit show. She was in a big convoy. She was in a big, well, she was supposed to be in a big convoy. But there was a... Breaking contact. Yeah, well, and they weren't under contact, but they were visibly separated, took a wrong turn.

And ended up downtown Nazaria. In the early days, where Fedahim was running around like fuckwits. Is it, didn't Fedah, I can't even say that, Fedaheen. Is that right? Fedahehan, I don't know. Let's call them Fedah. How about fuck those people? Yeah, didn't they become the leadership of ISIS?

Somebody was just recently telling me that. I lost control of the hydra snake. you know, because it started in Afghanistan, right, Taliban. And in Iraq, we were fighting the Iraqi military. And then it morphed to al-Qaeda. Yep. And then I started hearing about ISIS and then ISIL. And I lost, I kind of lost control or an understanding of where the hydra began.

I could see it. Somebody was telling me that the Fedda were rolled up and a lot of them were put into Guantanamo. And then later, this is later, Not Guantanamo Gitmo That is Guantanamo Wait wait which one's the one Getmo is Guantanamo

What's the one in Iraq God damn it Where they had the people Yeah Like pyramids and shit We cleared that prison It was I did one hit on it too

God damn it Did you go into the room That was full of macaroni No There was macaroni in there Bro Like the whole room Was full of macaroni

Bro Okay So We're clear in this hospital We're in like an out lying section and go running into a room into like I take a step in and it goes like all the way to my waist to fucking macaroni noodles dry noodles yes I don't know why I don't know what the fuck they were there for but I just backed out and went to the next room because I assumed there was nothing

bad in a room of all the macaroni noodles Abu Ghraib Abu Ghraib. Abou Ghraib that's it that's it yeah that's it But you never saw the macaroni room because that's the VIP tour. Is this exist, the macaroom? Dude, I'm assuming. Can you confirm this story? Is there somebody else who, where's your number two guy at? I might have been the number two guy. It was so fucking bizarre and non-sequitur to what was going on.

Nobody talked about it. I was just like, this is happening? Okay, I'm going to the next room. I'm sure it's been cleaned out by now, but that fucking memory sticks with me because it makes no sense whatsoever. That place is kind of weird. But that was a boogearie. which turned into a literal and figurative shit show. It did.

And that whole thing was a debacle. And what I heard is those guys got put there. And this is after all the controversy with American forces. That they got broken out in 2000, I'm assuming 13, right before all the shit went down and became the primary leadership. Which is kind of crazy. If you think about like the beginning, the origin story of where they were at, which is we roll into, I. Iraq and we don't just say, which I think is a bad strategic decision, where we say, hey, everybody who's in the military, you're all enemy combatants now. We're going after you. Like, that's probably dumb. Especially because if you actually talk to the generals, which they have a pretty good hierarchy in their chain of command. And you say, hey, generals, we are going to take all these guys and we're going to give you the opportunity to make this the Iraqi army and work with them some way instead of going, you're all fucking on the deck. You know, you're all in any of. be combatants, which I think is a bad move and caused a lot of issues. And that evolved itself

and progressed itself into ISIS. It's fucking insane. I could see them becoming the leadership if they were all slammed into a Bougarab together. Just like I would imagine happened at Gitmo. I would imagine to get placed in Gitma, you probably have to be a touch more extreme or radical in your beliefs. I have no idea. That's a complete assumption on my part. But I can only imagine that people at get more, becoming more radicalized, not less. So if you smash these people together, the Fed Aene people together, I could see them thinking, thinking, plotting idle time, think, you know, discussing what we're going to do and then get out and poof.

Yeah. How come nobody's talking about the fact that Trump did crush? I mean, Trump didn't crush, but as the commander in chief, launching special operations, which I think was the best, one of the best tactics in modern military history. And the fact you don't hear a lot about it, except for, you know, even recently, 2015, that hit was early on in the fight against ISIS. But the Syrian fight in Aleppo where we lost dudes from fifth group, we lost dudes from the unit, we lost dudes from all over, and we crushed them.

I mean, annihilated them off the face of the planet. Never has talked about. I think it's because people are, unable or unwilling to separate Trump as a person between Trump as the commander in chief. Yeah, true. I think, and I don't know if that's a, just a mental gap that they can't cross. And I say that basis off of what I see here and read on social media. It almost doesn't matter.

All human beings have their flaws. And trust me, I have some pretty severe issues with the way that Trump conducts himself, but I have no problem admitting where those issues are and also saying, you know what? fucking kicked ass on this particular issue. But I think that requires a little bit of nuance. And then you start to blend the ideologies of the left and the right. And you're like, oh, no, I land in the middle. Is this, you know what I mean?

And I don't think people like that. That's what I see at least. It's either you are here and with us or you are over here and you are against us. And there's almost no gap in between. I hate that divisiveness. That's really, it's convenient. It's the easy way to go, right? You could just say, hey, you're on the other side of the team.

I'm going to draw the line in the sand. easy for me because I'll just assimilate with my friends. And most of those friends are virtual friends on social media versus coming to some commonality, which you don't have to now. I mean, you don't have to talk to your neighbor. You only have to look at people. You could probably work and do a job for the rest of your life and career, never even interacting with human beings, especially now with all the COVID shit going on. It's interesting. Well, and then to go back to again, Tim on, you know, Joe's show talking about if you choose to do that or you're forced to do that and you curate the information that you are absorbing and it's only

from what you agree with and you don't have that ecosystem of ideas and ideologies that can bounce up against. That's one of my favorite things is to see you read something and like it bounces up against what I believe. I'm like, huh. Didn't you have somebody from the Black Lives Matter movement or assault? It wasn't. It was, I mean, I don't know.

I would have to let her, her name was Francine or Samantha Francine. Yeah. I don't know where she would put herself in perspective to the actual Black Lives movement organization, but she was here in Whitefish. And it was brought to my attention because there's this towering white dude just trying to scream her down. And she is standing her ground, weight on her toes, just eye to eye with this. I was like, fuck, yes. Like, I want to hear about your life. I want to hear what led you to that point where you stood up to that person as opposed to back. away and some people lost their mind. How could you have this person on who supports Black Lives Matter? I'm like, that's what you want to do. You want to hear their perspective. And not even that. It's like, I want to talk about the woman. And if she talks about things that she believes in or she brings up Black Lives Matter, I'm going to listen. That doesn't mean that I agree, but I'm going to listen and think about it and hopefully refine my position in the world and what I think. Yeah. Look, my whole thing on this, on the BLM thing, especially, is if you have a rational, if you have a rational idea, and that idea is to

progress your ethnic group, religious group, whatever group you belong to, and you want to line that plan out, and you want to talk about it, and you're not hurting anybody, I'm all on board that. And even as, even as a movement, the problem that people, a lot of people, especially on the far right, don't realize, is it so decentralized. It, it, completely in utterly. By design. By design. Because the benefit is you don't have to take credit for the things that are bad, but you can take credit for all the good. And you don't have to be associated with the violence. You could say, we don't support any violence. And then violence continues to happen. And it just, it is what it is. Yeah, they sit there and they try to wash their hands.

They wash their hands clean. So it's beneficial in operating decentralized in all means of task organizations. I mean, it's just how it works. So people don't realize that. people inherently are flawed. I mean, that's just, that is, that is the start point, right? If we understand that and then looking at this argument, when you look at people that are involved in this organization, most of them, I would say, most of the majority of them, don't know what they're involved in. They don't know the Marxist ideology tied to the root of the founders that's, that's illustrated on their about us on their website. They don't understand the in-state and goals or objectives. They just want to be part of something.

something. So when I see a this happened in Prescott, Arizona, which is, you know, my, my company, we're still in Prescott, Arizona, but we evolved and we stood up a, I'll call it a shop, Ford operating base. I was just going to say, I'm going to call it a fob. We're Fobits now in Hebrew City, Utah. How dare you, Fobbits? Fobits are a real thing. People don't believe it. It is, but I'm outside the wire now. I'm outside the wire now. So I see that taking place. And there's a Prescott, Arizona, BLM protest. And if you go to Prescott, Arizona, the median age is 62 years old. Yeah.

It's a retirement community. And it's a beautiful place, though. Beautiful place. I used to fly in there all the time. I love that place. Tons of really good people who are just Americans who want to live their life in peace, no drama. And there are a lot of veterans.

There's a huge veteran community. I think per capita might be the largest veteran community outside of, I think, a town in Texas. I was going to say, I feel like the state of Texas probably has the marquee on that. They have it. They definitely have it. Yeah. But high veteran population. So a good community to live in.

And we operate there. We have a studio there. But there's a BLM protest. Now, here's what happens. All the right wingers. And I'm going to call them right wingers because they're right wingers, right? I'm a conservative, but I'm sinner right. And I hate even illustrating that, but I want people to get the idea that I'm not a right-wing person.

people want to be on board with us and Philcraft and American tendency because they're like, oh, we want to be part of this. Like, what's your stance? Well, we're whatever the right wing organization is. No offense, but I just don't want that affiliation, right? Because I'm not right wung. Is that a thing? Right wung. I don't know if it is, but I like it. Right wong. I don't even know what it means, but I'm going to use that today somewhere. I'm not right wung. So they want to get on board, but then I see all the right winger show up. And, and, And Prescott, Arizona BLM protests is more likely the most dangerous course of action is probably people tripping over each other in Prusket. But they're spitting and yelling and like assault, like verbally assaulting and trying to get physically confrontational with a bunch of white people.

I mean, it's one in six protesters, apparently in the BLM movement are black. One in six. The rest are white. So you had a whole bunch of white people walking in the square protesting, didn't look violent. And then you got a whole bunch of right wingers wearing Catch Me Fuck Me shirts, which is like the, you know, whatever the fuck. Name the shirt, right? And they're screaming and yelling.

And I'm like, man. And all these people who are just normal people contact me and like, what do you think about this? Well, I think the right wung showing up at that BLM protest are just as guilty as the violent people enacting or inciting violence all over the United States. Like, get the fuck over yourself. You're either a person who believes in. and the Constitution, and you advocate for that, which I do, I would advocate for peaceful protest.

You want a protest? I don't give a fuck what you're protesting for. You want unicorns and schools, fucking do it. But the second you get violent, everything changes. Yeah, you're outside of the First Amendment at that point. Absolutely. You're right now committing a crime, and everything that you raise your hand and stand for is null and void,

especially as a person who's conducting assaults on. human beings and I hate that man I hate I hate I hate both sides of the fringe I hate fringe anybody Sam I like I like I like things to fit into pattern and and I don't mean that in a in a mundane sense what I mean is if you live your life in the pattern understanding that there's law and order a left and right limit you could fucking do whatever you want you could be a fucking former Navy seal a former Green Beret and crushing business doing fucking well in this country but the second that you decide that you're going to forcibly push your ideology with violence,

with criminal activity, with spitting on fucking people, you've lost me. And all those people on both sides of the fringe, that's where we need to start trimming the fat. I mean, that's the conversations we need to have. I could not agree with you more. And this is something, so when Bishop and I were talking, we were specifically asked a question about Antifa and BLM. And I intentionally tossed it to Brian first because I know he would fucking cork off. And I was just like, here's your fucking internet shit sandwich.

And he did. And I got so many messages of people saying, well, what about the right wing? What about the right wing? And my response was, first off, I was asked a question about two specific organizations. So I answered that. And that in no way means that I have either complicit or passive support for shit on the right wing. It's people's actions that will make them my enemy. Not necessarily their ideologies.

It's actions. I couldn't agree more. And I look when it comes to the Constitution. I'm so tired of these people who want to pick and choose the amendments or the pieces of the Constitution that apply to their argument and disregard the rest. Yeah. Like the First Amendment is key, but fuck everything else. You know, these people should be hung in the streets. Like, oh, you don't believe in a jury trial. You don't believe in an expedient trial of your peers. So, you know, the Fourth, Fifth Amendment, they can just get fucked. Or it's just picking and choosing. You have to value them equally or don't value them at all. And I agree with you. I mean, I would say, oftentimes people say, hey, thank you for my freedoms. And I stop them. I'm like, listen, I didn't provide you your freedoms. We, as a Americans, we have our freedoms because they were preserved in the Constitution. The founding fathers did an amazing job of encapsulating that. And guess what? I wasn't alive. So I can't help you with that. That'd be the oldest man ever in the history of the world. However, I think that people who

put on a uniform and wear the American flag, the American flag, I just said that. That was a slip in words. I'm not going to edit that out. Don't edit it, man. Deal with it. They wear the American flag because it was issued to them and not rented or bought. Those people, I think, are putting their toes on the line to preserve the freedoms that we have. I didn't provide them, but I think both you and I stood on the line

so somebody could stand in my face and try to argue with me about something that boils my blood. And I'm going to let them do it. I would probably get involved if there was somebody who was on the other side of whatever metaphorical fence, protesting in what they believed in

and somebody's physically trying to stop them, I probably would, I would get involved and stop that because that person has the right to do it, regardless of whether or not I agree with what they're saying. But if you pick up a brick and you throw it at me, shit just got a lot different. Yeah. All everything that, you're absolutely right, because that's where everything changes. That your, your argument's no longer valid. Yeah. Everything. And that's what people don't understand about these protests is there are, There are numerous amounts, copious amounts of people who are peacefully protesting.

The vast majority, I would say. The vast majority are. But there are pockets of deliberate troublemakers that are inciting violence all over the United States. Like for this Kyle Rittenhouse kid. Well, you can tell based off of the arrest records and where their home addresses are. There is riot tourism going on for sure. And there are people, and I don't even want to say this term, but are professional

insiders of violence and fuck anarchy i guess it would be they're getting shipped they're getting mobilized and deployed all over the united states to be part of these riots i mean i've talked to law enforcement officers um that have said they have they have targeted and seen the same exact people and different sides are the different sides of the country that they've confirmed their identities and and you have to be an idiot right but when i when i look at a group like antifa who It's problematic in the first place. You're anti-fascist, but you're suppressing and dictating. Well, you're using fascist techniques.

Yeah, techniques and tactics. But you're out in an open form. And maybe you think you're covering your face or you're running around being inconspicuous and stealthy and surreptitious, not even close. And to not think you're not being targeted by federal law enforcement agencies, that only job is to profile you and determine if you're a threat to national security. you're the dumbest idiot on the planet. And so these guys, what we've been told is these guys are action arms. They have a commander. They're running dual comms.

They're talking to lieutenants on the ground. And they're articulating in this communication their schemes of maneuver and their tactics on the ground. They're dictating it based on Overwatch. I mean, they have Overwatch of the entire scene via communications and their eyeballs. They have roving patrols, and it's a deliberate skill set. So it's trained, it's properly executed, and it ties into a broader strategy, which is insurgency. And when people talk to me and they go, well, Mike, is this really a big deal? I mean, it's buildings, it's statues.

That technically is not a big deal to me. What I'm worried about is what every movement started out as. And then what you do when you take logistical support and time, right, when you stretch the timeline, it means you have more time to prepare. That's on the friendly side, and that's on the bad guy side. They are preparing and they are in their own interest, which people think they're aligned. They're very misaligned, but they all serve the same purpose in getting favoritism and recruiting all the people that they have by the form they've been given by these politicians. They're seizing the opportunity that's in front of them is what they're doing.

Absolutely. It is the opportunist wet dream. You have political people in positions of power who are suppressing law and order because of the politics that are involved and allowing law-abiding citizens to be affected. At the same time, providing a huge void where opportunists are filling that void with violence, with recruitment, with assessment, with logistical support. And that ties into like, well, you want to see a deliberate operation by an insurgent unit or insurgent. organization trying to conduct a coup? I mean, the coup is the next thing. A coup would be the way forward, right? You're inside of Portland. They don't want the mayor. None of the organizations actually support the mayor, who's the most progressive mayor in the history of the free world. Potentially on the face of the fucking planet. On the planet, right? Yeah. He's opened his doors and said, commit violent acts. Police, law enforcement, you can't do anything to prevent this. Which, by the way, in my opinion, is the complete dereliction of his duties.

He's a criminal. To me, he's absolutely a criminal. If you look at federal law, any kind of litigation federally, he's committing acts of crime. And so as he opens these gates, they're telling him, it doesn't matter. We want you out. They don't want any power. What do they want them replaced with? They want they want chop in a, in a academia. They want to occupy Portland as a start point, for example. They conduct a coup. And now they own the governance. Now they're policing their own streets. And what does that look like? It probably looks like a very easy HRT target. I mean, that's what it looks like. It looks like a one minute objective secure call.

I mean, that's going to be easy target to address. I agree. And I am going to clarify this point for people so they don't lose their mind. Although we are talking about organizations right now that traditionally sit on the left, I would feel exactly the same way from organizations. on the right who are taking these actions as well. It is not a matter of left or right. It's a matter of the actions that you take against either me, my loved ones, or my fucking country. That's what determines it for me. I'm tired of people saying, well, you're not saying anything

about the right or you need to say more about the right. It's like, listen, like if you ask me a direct question about it, I'll tell you. And my stance is the same. It is based off of actions and whether or not you think you're a threat to myself or the country that you and I both put our toes on the line to at least do the best that we can to allow people to express whatever they want to, which is not what's going on in Portland. It's not. I mean, can you think of anything good

that can come from them continuing to riot and protest 100 plus days? I mean, what type of precedent is that setting? That shit needs to be shut down. That's the role of the state and federal government to protect those business owners, to protect those people. And this is what's starting to trip me out.

I'm starting to see, you know, they're in D.C. and they were at the Black Lives Matter Square, I believe it's called. If that wasn't the exact name, I apologize. But they started a protest there, and then they started going into neighborhoods. And they're starting to shine flashlights into people's windows. I'm like, okay, that's an interesting micro-escalation. You're still not really, you know, but then they'll start banging on doors.

What if they kick the door in? You know, now these micro-escalations are going to lead to things that I don't think, like you said, it's one-minute HRT objective secure. I do not think that these people have any idea what could potentially be waiting in the wings for them. Yeah. The biggest problem in that is, you know, as it spreads into rural neighborhoods and urban neighborhoods, communities, right? These are communities where people pay taxes to provide the support, the funding, literally to law enforcement officers, to react and respond to calls of danger, right? now you have people who are for the first time have to think about protecting themselves.

Now all of a sudden the Second Amendment matters. Now all of a sudden it's a priority. In California it's like, whoa, down with Governor Newsom because he's suppressing the law. He's got security. We've been talking about that for years. He's got state officers that are fully armed to bear sniper overwatch providing his security. High capacity magazines for sure. Absolutely.

Probably automatic weapons. of its law enforcement, which, by the way, people love automatic... That's so weird. I answered this question that was with Bishop. We were talking about, like, do automatic weapons apply to the Second Amendment? And I, it's my own fault for my response because I essentially said, civilians don't need them,

which people took as, I don't think it's covered by the Second Amendment. It is. Just don't ever use them on full auto, because you can't hit shit, is what I should say. That's so weird if people don't realize that. Isn't that weird? Well, they watch a lot of movies. Yeah. And you see a, you know, a hundred round belt going through, like,

a saw or an M60 and 98 people fall down. Instead of seeing maybe the first round hit a guy and then the rest of them are hitting about four kilometers behind because the muzzle just drops. Well, I think the funniest one to me is the short barrel, right? So they say the short barrel is the biggest danger to society. And I'm assuming it's the way in which it could be carried in this configuration. But a longer barrel is more optimized for trajectory, for external ballistics. And accuracy.

In accuracy. So all that shit, like suppressors, for example, that people don't really, it's so silent, you know, they're stealthy killers. Suppressors still have massive amounts of decibels. You could clap louder than a suppressor is. Yeah. And if you're using supersonic ammunition, it still sounds like a gunshot going by your head. Absolutely. It does.

Yeah. So all those laws are bizarre. But you have those people in D.C., like you just mentioned. Now in Washington, D.C., like major metropolitan areas, like Philadelphia, there's Chicago. go those people can't even have certain kinds of guns to protect themselves. And you see these people, whoever it is, there's many groups, NFAACs is one of the groups that's just comical to me. I've actually talked to one of the dudes who wanted to do a podcast with me.

They're walking around with AR-15s. I was going to ask you about this. What do you think about these organizations? And you'll see them on the right and the left, right? You'll see the hillbillies rolling in with their Eotex on backwards and visible stove pipes, like just complete bolts out of battery on their ARs. And, you know, their optic covers are down. Their aim points are on backwards. I'm just sitting there looking at this like, son of a bitch. But they do have two camelback hoses, so I'll give them that. I don't know what's in. Dual

hydration, man. You have to run dual hydration. But what are your thoughts on people? And so this happened here in Calaspell. There was a Black Lives Matter protested in, I don't want to, three blocks away. Here? Yeah. Wow. Well, it doesn't surprise me because I think I didn't go to it, but in talking to both of my sons who did, it was people who were called a generation, I don't want to say behind us, but a generation younger than us. And I think they have a different form of information, delivery and uptake. Most of my kids, you know, they see it on a device. So it's real. Yeah. It's real. And it's, and I'm not saying it's, I do believe that in a. equality has happened in this country since it's founding it's not perfect it's never going to be but they felt moved to go and be part of something so they did and what showed up was probably

equal number of people who were armed what are your thoughts on that the people who roll in heavy they're wearing they're wearing plate carriers i don't know how many of those people actually have plates in that stuff what are your thoughts i think it's a bad decision i think it's it's horrible here's what it is it's horrible tactics it's antagonistic too it's super antagonist so Here's the exception to the rule. My mom, she's Korean, as per my Korean eyes. Another side note, not to hijack you. I got many emails confirming the racism in the Asian cultures as well.

They're like, fuck yeah, Mike was right. He said it. My, dude, Asians are the most racist human beings in the planet. You can't get past that, man. That is true. My mom, she's worked 40 years for her business. She has a spa in Fayetteville, North Carolina. and it's off of, it's off of Ramsey and near Hay Street, which is downtown.

During the BLM protest, they were burning down the marketplace or what they called the market square. It's because that place in the center of Fayetteville used to sell slaves. But it's a building. It's a historical building. It's been there since the beginning of time. It's just the building that happened to be there when the slave trade was a thing. And it did happen.

So a guy tried to light it on fire. lit himself on fire. He actually died from doing that, which is asinine. He threw a Molotov cocktail or some kind of got all over him. Got all over him. Send him on fire. Third degree burns. One up dying. So down the road, my mom's salon is there. She's been in Fayville forever. It's next to Fort Bragg in North Carolina. A lot of immigrants or a lot of people from different countries have came there from soldiers being married to them. Germans, 100% Koreans, Thai,

the list goes on because there's an Air Force army, everything's there. So her business that she worked 40 years for is there and she called me once. She said,

son, I don't know what to do. I'm afraid they're going to burn down my business. And they were. They were burning down businesses downtown Fayetteville. They were lighting stuff on fire,

graffiti damage. And I said, I'll get back with you. And I contacted a dozen of my buddies from special operations who were at Bragg who said,

yes, they will go there and protect her business to make sure that it doesn't get destroyed. And a lot of people on one side of the argument go, it's just a building. Insurance pays for buildings. Well, that's not just a building. That's livelihood, right? That's the means.

That's like coming to your house and I have a lighter in my hand with an accelerant. And I say, I'm going to burn down your house. And if you don't let me, I'm going to hurt you. I'll burn you in it. But you should let me because you have insurance. Well, that's not going to happen. and I'll shoot you in the face on my front doorstep. So when we look at these buildings

and we look at these people who are armed, like Kyle Rittenhouse, right? This kid, 17 years old, comes from out of state like all the protesters did and shows up to defend businesses because nobody will. And I think that's a courageous act because there's so many people who want to do that,

but so many people, even in your own community, who would never do that. It could be happening down the road and they won't do that. I'm the kind of guy who, If I see that kind of chaos in my backyard and there are people who are being disaffected in a negative way, especially by criminals, I'm going to do something to protect them. Now, am I going to stand in front of the building with a gun and body armor? No, because that's bad tactics.

Anything to antagonize people on the road and potentially risk your life for a statue made in 1863, for a building that does have insurance. standing out there to antagonize that is a bad tactic. You know what a better tactic is? Staying inside the building, posting signs all over the walls that we will defend and protect this building and staying back into it and defending and protecting that building from the inside. Because if they kick in the door, if they break in the window and they are entering that domicile, a lot of laws including castle, doctrine and stand-your-ground laws, apply to self-defense in that use. Depending on the state. Depending on the state, absolutely. There are states, even California has a stand-your-ground law.

They vary, though. They do vary. They vary. And drastically. Check your local laws because the protection of property and life in some states like Texas go hand-in-hand. If somebody steps on your property at Texas, there's the castle doctrine and your standard-ground laws apply. There's actually cases of people being shot standing in property with no defined fence line. and getting away with shooting somebody because that person was trespassing, giving them orders

and then gutting them down. So that's where people need to research this on their own. So Montana, property does not apply, meaning land. Yeah. If you step into the house, that's a different story. So Montana is a castle doctor. What about a business? I don't know.

And I tell you what, I think it might have been the same podcast with Bishop. We were talking about that. and I answered the answer that I gave, I believe in the answer that I gave, but this is the classic example of reading a question, not thinking about it and firing away for five minutes because I said, I don't want to see people lose their life over property. And I made a broad statement that a lot of those businesses do have insurance. But in my head, what I was thinking, I'm looking at watching videos of like Target, Macy's, that shit getting loop. Corporate. I wasn't thinking about, at least in that moment, somebody who has 40 years,

somebody who has a generational tie to those business. So I was thinking in my head, like, is it worth shooting somebody over a purse? No. No. I don't, and my biggest point is this. I don't want to see Americans killing other Americans. I want the line in the sand drawn as far back as humanly possible and reasonable.

And only when you're pushed to that point to include myself. Like, I'm not going around looking for, to target anybody. But if you push me to that, I have a very distinct line in the sand. If you push me past that, what happens after that is going to be on you. So I totally agree with what you're saying.

And it's and but at the same time, there's nuance, right? If they're stealing a big screen TV from Best Buy, don't go stand out in front of it with your AR. Absolutely not. And Kyle Rittenhouse, I tell you what, I think he might have had the best of intentions,

but as a 17 and a half year old, he's not mentally prepared to go out there and be there. Not even close. And his parents should be, his mother specifically should be ashamed of herself that she took him there. After watching the videos many times and reading it,

I believe that is actually, were in self-defense. The catastrophe there was that he was even physically present. 100% avoidable. Absolutely. Everything you said is exactly how I feel because that's the problem. When I, when I, when I see people motivated to get out on the streets with guns, I asked myself, where the fuck is your family? Where are your kids? Where's your spouse? Where's your mom? Because that's where you should be protecting. Yeah. That's that you should be standing in the threshold of that doorway with your card made in your body armor if you want to wear that. Like I think about our time in the military and all the things we would arrest our lives for. Every single objective, I would risk my life.

Same. Like picking up my kit, putting it on and donning it, I accepted every time that I was going to potentially die, but I looked around and it was very easy to make that decision because everybody in that staging room or that kit room were men that I loved. Voluntarily there making that same decision. Yes, absolutely. And we all had that understanding. And so when I see someone, somebody senselessly get killed in the streets because of simple exposure, dumb tactic. Don't even be out on the streets. Avoid those places like the plague. And just like Tim said about people running their mouth to make themselves feel good about

their cause and sounding stupid, these people, the world knows now. Not the world because they're absolutely, they're protagonistic about everything that's happening. They're roasting marshmallows about what's going on. Dude, it's insane. But we know as Americans what's taking place in every single one of these groups that show them their ass. And hopefully what that translates to

is people voting. I mean, people say, Mike, what can we do? It's not go load of fucking 30-round AR. Your Mac should be already loaded, by the way. It's get ready to fucking vote on November 3rd and be prepared to make the right political decision and your local governance and the federal governance.

That is how you're going to affect the most change that has resounding effect. That is the system that is in place designed to make change. I'm worried that regardless of the result, what we're seeing going on, and admittedly in small pockets, what I'm worried about is that it's not going to stop regardless of the outcome. It won't. It will burn regardless. It will burn. The most dangerous course of action is all over every major metropolitan area.

You'll see violence. And what I mean is for the first time what you'll see is these people who decided this is going to be their deed day using weapons and killing cops. And then cops are going to respond and they're going to kill in quotations, in air quotes, protesters. But they're actually violent actors. They're criminals. They were criminals the day before and the time they picked up a gun. Now they are criminals again. And they're going to get in gun fights.

One bad report because the media should take the brunt of this. The media will report it. In Portland, Oregon, police engage and kill five protesters. Two law enforcement officers were killed. That will transcend. That will evolve into gunfights in every major metropolitan area where these antagonists exist, where they feel justified now to go to war. It's time now.

This is their war. We had our war. We went to war and we picked the war. and we picked up arms and it felt good because we had a cause, right? We had September 11th. We knew what we were fighting for. This is their war. And it's that kind of like where we were looking through the eyes of the enemy and analyzing

and assessing the enemy and then you actually confront them. You confront them in a room and you're tactically interrogating them and you realize this is just a dude just like you who wants to get his gun on. He doesn't know what the fuck he's doing. And he thinks he's the freedom fighter. You're looking at yourself. You're like, man, look at this America flag. Look at this kid.

I'm a badass. He does the same thing every morning. He looks at his S-Fest. He looks at his AK. He looks at his fucking fake a solo boots. And he's like, I'm fucking ready to go to war, man. And that's the same ideology they feel, and they're going to pick up that arm,

and they're going to go to fucking war. And it's not going to change anything. The only thing that it's going to change in America, which I feel it should change, is the way and we look. the way that we look at our local governments and first responders and how they protect us. Because most people who pay taxes, who don't give a shit about guns, who don't care about preparedness, they think that the law enforcement officers that they pay taxes for are going to come to the rescue.

And Portland, three weekends ago now, when I was there, 60 phone calls to 911 for burglary, larceny, even rape. Unanswered. Unanswered. Never responded. Why? Because the politicians that were in charge of them told them to address

only the protest and they were prioritizing that, which meant standing there getting pummeled with bottles and bricks and everything else while people, law-abiding, tax-paying citizens of this country

are getting raped and nobody's doing anything about it. What does that tell you? Well, that tells you you need to be more self-reliant. You just need to take, what you should have been doing in the fucking first place.

You need to take your own reliance into your own hands like you should be. It should have never been surrendered, at least from a philosophical perspective to somebody else. A thousand percent. And we did. It's it's this, look, freedom by proxy is going to characteristically make you complacent. That's a that's a byproduct. It's a symptom of democracy, which when you feel secure in a world, you become less secure as an individual because you let your guard down. You should. And that's, great. But on the back end of that, you should understand the contingency that you're willing to, you know, bring to bear and the equipment that you have, the sustaining of survivability, your own self-defense

and the defense of your family. But we lose sight of that so often. And then we go, well, that dude was a victim. Well, he was a victim because potentially he made the wrong decisions and he was fucking complacent. And now we can't afford to allow that to happen. The wildfires in California is a perfect example of this. Wildfires have always ravaged California since the beginning of time. I mean, me and you are from California. And what we're seeing for the first time is arsonist being rolled up in mass. Because if you're an anarchist, you know the best way to start an anarchy is take a lighter to fucking dry foliage in the middle of nowhere

and start a wildfire that's going to devastate people. There was a kid I think it was in Oregon found him dead in the back of a car holding his fucking dog that's dead a young child to think that some cocksucker for lack of better

terminology lit some shit on fire to create anarchy and murdered a fucking child holding his dog that died as well and to think that this isn't Yemen. This isn't Libya or Iraq or Afghanistan. This is fucking California and Oregon.

This tells me and shows me that no matter what you do and depending on the government around you, you need to take care of your own. You don't need to sit there and go, when's the fire department coming? What's the plan? I can't check the fucking media.

When are we going to get out of it? You need to take that shit into your own hands. What's even crazier to me is that if you were able to find that person who lit that, they would somehow try to justify that. Like, that's the cost of anarchy. Yeah. You need to set that motherfucker on fire on the back of a vehicle.

I don't know if this makes me a bad person, but I would volunteer to do that. Yeah, absolutely. I would just want to watch. I just want to watch. Yeah, man, it's crazy. You know, and I think one of the biggest points that I hope people heard when you were talking about the defense of business

is that it's not actually going out and targeting and executing military operations. It's smartly drawing that line in the sand, presenting that like, hey, this is my castle. These are the things that we are prepared to do. And they come across the line. You're not out there walking around trying to draw this mobile line that you hope somebody crosses. You're, it's a measure of last resort. And that's the thing.

And I think, fuck, that podcast with Bishop piss people off. We were talking about what would it take for people like you and I to come off the bench to actually get involved? And the answer for me is, I don't want to. Like, that's the bottom line answer. The one thing I think I want to do the least in my life is kill an American. I don't want to. So for me, it is a matter of a direct threat to myself, my loved ones, or my family. But I'm not going to go out there and try to antagonize somebody to get them across that line.

But if you push me across that line, stand the fuck by. People don't realize the... I'll frame this with the capability. You could have a target set. Let's just call it a troop of guys. Let's call it 20 guys. 20 guys in a foreign country on foreign soil. They don't know the target set.

They don't know what it really looks like, but they have imagery of what that potentially looks like. Could land helicopters on top of those people and kill 30 plus bad guys, not sleeping. 30 bad guys ready to fight with trashwings. Barricaded. PKMs, machine guns, even sometimes with night vision goggles. And we routinely do that. One Special Operations guy with a set of PVS 31's, big shout out to L3, PVS 31 White Foss with a laser mounted their gun, you have no, like when people say, oh, that's, like you guys can enact violence. Violence enacted or executed looks like efficiency. It looks like optimize. It's like an orchestra.

You don't realize it's so beautiful because it's literally being conducted until it's after. You're like, oh my God, I got chills. And what I don't ever just, and I share that same sentiment. There's men just like you and me all over the U.S. who are living in peace. We're trying to retain. And that's all I want. That's all we want. Because we've lived war for the majority of our lives.

And so when I'm here living in peace and I see people who are insurgents who want war That don't realize what war is Yeah, and for for one of us to get off the bench, dude one one me one you Or even worse me and you It would be over in a night one night one night and these guys think they're violent Badass anarchists who are going to burn down the system not on our watch it's not going to happen. And I don't, I don't mean to say that like I'm antagonizing, uh, the, the people in that arena. What I'm saying is, you don't want to fuck with the wrong people.

Yeah. And what you are is you're poking, you're not even poking a fucking bear. You're poking like fucking, fucking, you're poking a fucking galaxy of, of, of rock stars that will fucking destroy you. You, you can't even fathom the amount of violence. It's sickening me to me. We made an occupation out of what seems to, to be currently their hobby. Yeah. Yeah. They're very bad at it.

It's, and here's the thing, too. Our background, absent continued training and currency, it actually loses value as the days go by. I am a firm believer

that you should never outsource your safety and security to the government. I don't believe that that's what the government was designed to do. There's mechanisms that can help,

but I think as a responsible contributing member of society, you need to have a baseline level of capability. So it's great. I spent 17 years in the SEAL community. Awesome. But I got out in 2013, seven years ago. My days look like two hours a day of Jiu-Jitsu, Monday through Friday and sometimes on Saturday.

Three days at the range per week. Pistol rifle. Med kit in my car. Go bag in my car. SBR suppressed 300 blackout. Security. It's a bug out back. It is.

It's a bug out back. But I have. I carry with me all the time. I have, you know, and also I have safe sit my house. I'm a responsible gun owner as well. It's not just like, I throw a pistol on the couch and hope that it's still there when I come back. And I carry all of those things because I don't ever want to have to rely on somebody else. Calispell perfect example.

If I'm at the south end of the valley and there's something going on at the north end of the valley and then something happens with me, I can expect a 30-minute response time from law enforcement. That's a long fucking time. long time. And that's better though than 60 unanswered calls, you know, but I want to be able to live for that 30 minutes. I'm not doing any of the things that I just talked about because I think I'm a badass. Because I'm not a badass. I'm a fucking very average dude from a physiological, emotional to intelligence perspective. But I understand that world. I understand the competency that can come from that and the capability that can come from that. So I'm not just going to

hang the knife up. You've got to keep taking stone. own across the blade. It's, it, and then you, yeah, God, can you imagine if you and I were able to get the reins pulled off and we were to go to a place like Portland? And for people listening, stop screaming at your phones. I'm not saying I want to do that or that we are advocating doing that. What I'm saying is there's a difference between a hobbyist and a professional, and it's not going to go their way. Yeah.

Yeah, I just, my brain just goes there and I just think these guys and gals are making super poor life decisions. I mean, you see this 20-year-old girl, throw a Molotov cocktail into a patrol car. Oh, this was in New York, right? Yeah. And she goes, she's going to prison for like a life term, which I think is a 20-year, whatever it is. She got convicted of attempted murder. And I believe, not that this is a really anything, but I think it should be pointed out. She comes from a upper-middle class. A fluent, yeah. Very affluent. I would say probably beyond upper-middle-class background. And she's out there throwing a Molotov cocktail into a, it's like I, for me, there's such a gap. I don't understand. And I don't know. Maybe you and I are just wired

differently, but I don't understand getting from that place to where it terminates and throwing a Molotov cocktail, thinking that you are somehow closing a gap between your projected ideas and the solution. I don't, I just don't understand it. And then that's a, I think that's a good point because there probably isn't an in-state. You know, like when you have a, when you take somebody out the streets and you actually start talking to them and you say, what is the desired in-state here? And the desired in-state is, I think, destroying the system because the system is systematically racist or systematically flawed. That inherently is a problem because then you're hinging on the majority of the country to be on board with you while you destroy everything that's in place

that is the security for everybody else in the country. Absent a plan to rebuild as well. There's no plans. And so you don't have. You know, it would be different if an Antifa guy or a BLM guy was on a podcast or a show. And they were the leader. And they're saying, listen, we're going to lay out the groundwork. What we're doing now is part of a five-tiered plan. We're starting out with sabotage, subversion. We want to create some anarchy on the road because we want to let people know we're passionate.

But phase two of this is we want to get into the elective process. Like we want to be in positions to make change. I would be like, holy shit. the strategy behind this is insane. And it's not that I would be on board that because I would say, hey, let's get the bandwagon on to vote because I don't want this. But this is how we control.

You'd be using the system that is in place for the, yeah. Our process is very damn good. And everybody who's in these positions that say, we are a racist society, we're oppressive, we're tyrannical, have never been anywhere else in the world. And they've, you don't even have to go and be, immersed as a special operations guy. Just simply go to anywhere in Africa.

Yeah. Anywhere. Travel outside of the first world. That's it. Go to, like when I was in Niger Africa, my driver had a heart attack and we couldn't find a force. While he was driving? While he was driving.

Jesus. I'm in, I'm a sergeant major at the time, so I'm in uniform with this lieutenant colonel. And we're on the way to a joint training exercise, which is a staff exit. We're planning a counter. We actually planned.

a counterterrorism operation. And at the same time that we were there planning it, Boko Ram attacked a place in eastern Niger, which was their first ever attack, a terrorism attack inside of Niger. So we're there. This is part of Flintlock, which is a huge joint exercise.

Fucking awesome name for an exercise. I know, Flintlock. That's awesome. And I'm driving to this place and the driver turns around and he's like, I'm having bad chest. pains. I'm like, well, pull over, and he pulls over, and he's telling me his symptoms. And I think, I can't remember what side it was, but one of the symptoms is his arm shooting pain through his

left arm. Yeah, like one side only. One side only. Yep. And the lieutenant colonel was like, Googling shit. He's like, what do we, how do we figure out how to help this dude with a heart attack? So I say, listen, I'm going to drive you to the hospital. I want you to point out to me the quickest route there. And we have it navved, but he knows the backroads. So he's like, yeah, left, right. He gets us to the hospital. And he gets us to the hospital. And he's, and he gets us to the hospital. And And I pull them out of the car and I walk him up to the hospital and I take one look inside. I'm at the breach point. And I look left, look right and just do a quick scan.

And there's people all over this hospital laying on pants, not cots, not cloth, not sheet, but pan, like metal pans. And it looked like a mashed casually. And I said, is there something I should know about? He's like, this is normal? I'm like, what? So I go over as like, is anybody a doctor? And this like 18 year old kid comes up. He goes, I'm a, I'm a doctor.

I'm like, you're the doctor. Like, are you a doctor or are you playing one on TV? Where did you stay last night? How did this work out? So he said, I'm a doctor. I'm like, okay, what is going on here? He goes, a whole bunch of people were sick. I'm like, okay, this guy's having a heart attack,

cardiovascular or something. When can he get seen? It's going to be hours. He'll be dead in hours. So we leave. We drive away. And I go, we're going to a pharmacy. Because the, in a heart.

heart attack. And I'm not a baby aspirin. Yeah, I would put this out. I'm not a doctor and I don't know anything about cardiovascular events, except that on Google it said get beta blockers because beta blockers, I guess has something to do with reducing the amount of beta whatever inside the blood. I feel like they block betas. They block betas. They're the blockers of beta. I also shocker did not go to med school. So we go in this pharmacy and it's closed. It's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, Of course it's closed. It's closed. Fuck. And so we're trying to call people and I'm like, fuck it. We kick in the door to this pharmacy.

Me and the lieutenant colonel, we ravage through all the shit and we find the beta blockers. We give it to him. And almost instantly, he's like, I feel a little bit better. And I'm like, oh, shit. So we take him back to the hospital and we drop him off. He sees the doctor eventually. They basically give him the same thing. They work through whatever it is. Three days later, we don't hear from him. And I'm like, where the fuck is this guy at. He's our driver. Like, where's our driver? One of the interpreters is like, he's at the hospital still. I go in the hospital and he's laid up in the same room with all these people and he's like deathly ill because he gets sick from being in the hospital. Of course he did.

They never released him. They didn't have a room to isolate him. And I'm like, what the fuck is going? And then I realize this is Niger Africa. There is no, there's no resources. There's no medical trauma facilities. If people die of appendectomy, there. Their appendix burst and then they die. Which is probably an incredibly routine procedure in the first world. Completely routine. Completely routine. And people die there. It's the first time, you know,

I've been all over these shit holes. But I look at the infrastructure there and when there's infrastructure. But the only reason the infrastructure exists is because of the nonprofits and the NGO non-government organizations that keep that place alive. Yeah, they're supported.

From the well water they drink to the sanitary. I had an upper respiratory infection for two weeks with the lieutenant colonel and i couldn't believe how sick i was and i asked that everybody i'm like what's going on and you're sick because you're breathing the literal feces of human beings and then i'm driving one day and there's a guy who's walking he's a nigerian he's walking down the road and there's no sewage systems in niger even in the in the hotels that's just piped out and poop into the streets he takes a step.

Not like three steps. He doesn't cover his ass. He takes one step. That was probably to avoid getting hit by car when he squatted his ass over the dirt and shits in the middle of the road. He takes a scoop of sand, shoves it up his ass,

pulls his pants up and keeps walking. And I'm like, wow. And then the dust is kicking up in our high luxe and I'm breathing in that. Oh, that's why I'm sick. I feel like that would be a good scent for like a holiday candle. Nigerian ass

Power move on the handful of sand Although you might get some chafing Based off my experience and buds Dude I was in Kenya for not even anything military related I was there for a school building project for CrossFit And there was a medical clinic across the road And I'm using the term clinic in the lightest of terms

And they were talking about women who will walk there Give birth And wheelbarrow their child back home in the same fucking day. Of course. Of course. Like I was just, I, my jaw hit the floor. It's still on the floor there.

I couldn't believe that. And that, I mean, and so we were walking around building some schools or I wasn't building any schools. We were there helping the, uh, organization that we were funding. They were building the schools. But went on a walk one afternoon, just following people with the buckets on their heads. And watching where they were getting their drinking water from, uh, you couldn't have paid me to, to jump.

that water in a dry suit. And they're filling it up, and it's the women that were doing it, jugs on their head. Like national geographic type trains of, you know, human trains of people with water in the head. It's like, you know, people forget that about a third of the world doesn't even have access to sanitary water. Yeah. Yeah, that's normal life for everybody in the world.

For a third of the world. We're like in the top one percent of all wealth and in the entire world. Context. It is context. I saw this interesting documentary on Africa. Africans and it was it had a and she was from Ethiopia, maybe Kenya. And they, they don't use diapers. What they use is clay.

So what the woman will do is, yeah, the baby will shit. They'll take a piece of clay off the ground. They'll smash it onto their knee. Then they'll take the baby and smash the baby's ass on the clay and rub it off their knee. Then they'll take the clay and roll it like it's a diaper and then throw it out. And I'm like, whoa, whoa. That's, I mean, this is the state of the world around us.

And these fuckers are, you know, they're throwing freaking $50 bottles of vodka at police officers that are Molotov cocktails go into their suburbia. Like most of them live in the suburb. These aren't, these aren't poor people. These aren't, they're disaffected, whether that's socially, economically. But most of them have roos over their heads, running water. You know, it's fucking crazy, man. I don't know about you, man. But like, I'm trying, I spend, I don't think I spend any more time thinking about this stuff than anybody else.

But I, I'm trying to understand. I mean, I'll at least listen to people when they talk, whether I agree or disagree. I'll sit there and I'll try to think about my own life and my own experiences. And, you know, the systematic racism is something that you hear all the time and inequality or colorblind or the inability to be colorblind or bias and I sit there and I think about it and my head just keeps bouncing up against a lot of the ideas that are being thrown out. Tim actually got me thinking very hard when he was talking about his bias because for a long time, for one, I'm not colorblind because I have the ability to see color. Like I think that's a stupid statement. Unless you are

legitimately colorblind, everybody sees color. Your skin is a different color than mine. The issue is, I don't give a fuck what color people's skin is. I almost always default back to actions and how they treat me. You treat me like an asshole and you threaten me if you're white, black, every color in between, that's going to get you one response. Otherwise, we sit, have a conversation. I don't give a shit. But I do have more bias than I realized. But it's not against one group. Well, it is against one group. It's human beings. Yeah. I have one of the things that I have to work myself through where I'm aware of is that I have an inherent distrust of human beings, which I think is a tricky place to view a lot.

of the stuff that's going on from because I almost just don't trust them from the get-go. That's a good bias when compared to, I think that's a, you know what, I think that's probably the SOP for most people now. And, and it's seen as racism, but it's a, it's a larger destruction. And there's no race in that. I don't just trust fucking humanity. I don't either. I'm the same way, man. I, you know, one of the things I think about, like even in this Black Lives Matter movement, Antifa, is when I was young, people, when you're young, you're impressionable. You want to be whatever it is that you're tuned into. I listen to country music as a little kid. I want to be a rancher or a country kid. I listen, you know, these young kids grow up in hip-hop.

They listen to Jay-Z. They want to be a Coke dealer. They listen to Biggie Smalls. They want to sell Coke. Like, because that's the big game, right? That's the big influence. So all these little groups have people who are the targets, just like they would be of jihadist, of, named the rogue organization or the insurgent organization overseas, they're the perfect opportunity. What I hate that these people don't know, and it's likely to aptitude, right, or education, and or both, is they don't realize they're being played, right? Because there's mechanisms like political mechanisms where politicians have. have power. They have wealth. But they also have the ability to influence on mass scales. And I talked

about this on years ago on a podcast. Somebody asked me, my buddy Mike Pfeiffer from Last Line of Defense, he asked me, he goes, what is the biggest threat to our society? And I said, a pandemic with social discourse. And we're literally living that now. I said, it's a pandemic with social discourse. And at the time, BLM was in Baltimore, burning it down. It was in, and, and, And we had people going out and being disaffected because of bots, whether it was the Russians or the North Koreans or whoever it was, North Koreans probably. They're still working Commodore 2000s in North Korea. Control alt delete still means something to that.

The Chinese and the Russians, right? Well, if they're influencing anarchy and chaos, like Tim, I love this conversation. Tim nailed it. It's not left or right. They just want people to be upset. They want people to be disaffected. Yeah. Because when you're disaffected, you lose trust in the establishment.

When you lose trust in the establishment, you destroy the system internally because of that loss of distrust or that distrust. So when people were like, you know, Russia is backing Trump or whatever it may be. In special operations, it's a simple unconventional warfare tactic, which is called sabotage and subversion. when you wanted to destroy it from the inside out, the only thing you have to do, just like Timmy said, it's super easy to just, I love,

like I, you know, I love you, you know, in fact, you need to be on a podcast. You just hit me up the other day. I'm actually going to call him Timmy from here on out. I love calling him Timmy.

He calls him Mikey, so I call him to me. But one of the things he made the example of the analogy about is a party. He made the, he said, yeah, you have this party and it's,

you have all these mechanisms in the party, the art sculpture, the ice sculpture, the bathroom people, or inside that group, and they're all there for the right reasons. But it takes one fuck up to come inside of there and destroy it from the inside out. It's like another analogy is like the redneck wedding, right? You have a redneck wedding and somebody comes in there

and makes one dumb ass statement. They do one dumb thing. They're like, fuck that dude. It's like, don't talk about Ricky Bobby like that. And then they fucking start beating each other up. And then you're like, I can't fucking believe this. everybody's beat up in blood. And then everybody forever remembers that moment,

but also everything about that as being dysfunctional and chaotic. If you look at the world's perception of us right now, you would think this place is burning to the fucking ground. You would think that this is war, war three. But it's not. I mean, me and you weren't in a room. I drove here, got coffee, and then white fish drove in. It's beautiful.

Everybody's out and about. Half the people wearing masks because they don't give a fuck. And I'm like, dude, this place is awesome. And so it feels like a good place to be in, but that perception is what they're trying to create. When you have wealth, when you have power and influence, it's so easy. You could, I get people for, I tell people at these American contingency meets. I had like a few hundred people show up in, um, in, uh, in, uh, Oregon. It was a, no, no, this one was in Washington outside of Goldendale at a winery.

And I said, think how easy it was for me to get you to show up. I did three posts. and three posts, I got 300 people to show up. And maybe with a fourth post, I could have got them to throw a rock out of building. So it's not hard to take people who are disaffected, who are emotionally compromised anyway because of COVID. They want something to belong to because they're disaffected. They don't have a fucking mentor in their life. They might not even have a father or a parent.

And they want to be part of a fucking movement. Our movement was service. Dude, I've lived the U.S. Army. Be all you could fucking be. Same. Yeah. And so we took our energy and we harnessed it and we pointed it in a right direction. Now we're doing the same in entrepreneurship.

When I wake up, I'm fucking motivated that, I mean, it's sad that I'm not getting shot at because I enjoyed that part of my life. It's not sad. It's a different phase of your life. It's a different phase. Let's not describe it as sad. It's so sad. But I, you know, I miss that part. But the same amount of energy that I have that I invested in the military, I'm investing it in entrepreneurship.

And it's a fucking great life to live. But these assholes have picked the wrong direction, the wrong path, because they're motivated by some fucking millionaire who's a politician more likely, who's sitting on their ass watching an unfold like fucking Mr. What was I do? Mr. Burns from fucking the Simpsies. Yeah, Mr. Burns for sure. I also think that the media has a very heavy-handed role in this that's not being examined enough. They, if, you know, if people are being played, the media is the instrument. Why?

Because like you said, we're talking about there are parts of the U.S. that are burning right now, you know, literally and metaphorically. California, the Western states, that's a different issue. But some of them, like you said, sparked by either an anarchist or some fuckwits who did a gender reveal and started like, did you see that one? I fucking saw that. God. Damn it, people. Don't put pyrotechnic devices by dry grass. Fuck.

Let's just use a popper. Like a fucking balloon. How about get some paper and turn it into like little. cuttings of paper. Yeah. God damn it. I get so upset. But what is being reported?

And I base this off of what I, completely non-scientific, I guess it would be subjected because I'm just looking at it. The things that are happening in Portland and Seattle and other areas, they're leading the news constantly at the front of the cycle. But it's not, it's not, it is not who we are as a country. And it's not what's going on in the vast majority of the country. And people see that and they are moved to take action. They're being fucking played.

Yeah. All by the headlines. The rapper Killer Mike, I talked about this recently on a podcast, but. Full disclosure, I have no idea who that person is. I don't know who the fuck it is either. I've never listened to Killer Mike. I don't even know who the fuck it is. But what I know is he's the first rapper outside of, what's his name, the Wayne, Little Wayne.

Little Wayne's a supporter of law enforcement. Okay. So full disclosure, I don't know who Little Walker. So I know little I know who you're going down a genre that I went down a rock and roll road and I was like who this fucking rapper's fucking cool So little Wayne is a fucking rap like a full a mouth full of fucking like his grill is full of fucking metal You he's got dread I think dreadlocks or braids or something But he's a he's a fucking hardcore rapper I think he's from Florida or from the south Never been into his music but I heard him talk about a law enforcement officer once

And he said I support the police I mean in his gangster verbiage. He said, ebonics, I think we call that. I don't think you can say that, but continue. I feel like I'm running a fucking thin line here, man. You might have just tread it over it, but you said it not me. So he's talking and he's like,

he's like, yeah, I support the fucking cops. And the person, the person is like shocked. They weren't expecting that. How the fuck can you, like, you're about the movement? How the fuck? You are this cookie cutter. You are only allowed to say these things. things. Yeah. He, these, his, he was in an apartment or a house that got raided by the police. And an

officer, a white dude named Bob or Bill or some shit, they went in there and they started flipping shit, going through everything. And, and they said, uh, the guy, Bill or Bob said, what the fuck are you guys doing? Like, we're looking for something. Like, we're, we're here for that fucking guy. And they roll the fucking guy up. And, and he picked this kid up, which is Little Wayne, and scooped him up and fucking rolled his eyes out of there and saved him from this circumstance. And he said it's the first time that a, he didn't frame it this way.

I'm paris-storing it. But he basically said, this dude was the first dude to show empathy to me as a fucking young thug. And he was a white dude named Bill or Bob, who was a police officer. I'm gonna say it was Kevin. Yeah, it might have been Kevin.

Might have been Kevin. But if you think about that, man, what the news media cycle never talks about, is the good in people, right? It's built off an algorithm that is making clicks per capita, right? So when you look at the monetization rates of how these companies, like CNN stay in business outside of their investments, is they need to be controversial because that's how you become popular. You can't be popular as anybody on Instagram if you're not showing your ass in a thong. Right? If you show your ass, immediately you get, get a spike in analytics. Is that what I'm missing? You're missing that, man. I will do that

pole side. Well, the smoke wants the smoke clears. I'll do a mountain backdrop, thong shot. Just one. Just tag me in it. Very careful what you dare me to do because I will fucking do it. You don't even need a thong, just a banana hammock, but just tucked back up in your ass, just a couple of cheeks. That will be the highest post, grossing post. Don't tempt me. Do it, man. Just Ranger panties, but it's tucked up in your ass. I don't wear Ranger panties, but I might be able to find a pair of UDTs. I bet you could find some UDTs. I could. I could. I could. Could you stick those khakis up your ass? They're not very good at. The Unity?

I don't know. We could explode this space. Roll them on the legs. Of course. So you just get a little ass cheek. Yeah, peg the legs. 1,000% that will be your, I'll pay it on Facebook to push it. That'll be your most popular ad in fucking history. Fuck, man. But you can't be, you can't be making money. You can't be spiking analytics unless you're risque and you're no longer popular if you're not doing that. I cycle through all media channels.

I do that routinely as a hobby. And I look at what their, like, what their headline is versus what the content says. Oh, I catch that shit all the time. It's not even the same story. You'll never believe what so-and-so said. And then you click on it. And yeah, they're actually detached from content, subject. Yeah, it's unbelievable how many times that happens.

It has to be, it is a marketing tactic in order to spike analytics. but they're weaponizing human beings. That's the scary thing. And people, I hope, understand or have at least some recognition that the information that you see is not a broad, if it's a pie, you're not getting one sliver from 360 degrees. The platforms that we all willingly participate in, Instagram, Facebook, and all that stuff, they are throttling certain types of information. And if you don't recognize that, I'm not saying, I don't want to go to conspiracy theorists and say that they're trying to really navigate, but they're also not giving you the full spectrum either.

And I've heard you talk about this with a lot of your content that, what I don't know what the fucking term is shadow banning or whatever that is. And you're based on that, I'm assuming just off of engagement and the numbers and just looking like, what's going on here? Like there's this sign wave. I don't believe that's happening accidentally. And it scares me to think that people don't inherently realize that. That's the scariest thing because what falls into their feed is like what falls into your fucking lap. I mean, if it falls in your feed, you're paying attention. And whatever that is, it's going to drive your behavior, right?

This social media platforms are built off of buying and monetizing off your attention. If they're not grasping your attention, like if you take, if you look at a chick's ass and it's engaging, which means you're spending more than a second on it, that they're going to say, and more to your Explorer page of Chick's asses. All you need to do is go on Instagram and hit the, what is it, the eyeglass little button. Yeah, that's it. The Explorer page. Yeah, so I'm saying the explore page. And what you'll notice is it's going to give you the things that you most constantly or most likely take a look at.

I so want to look. Look at your shit right now. You look at your shit. Just look at the top 12 photos and let's see what it is. Mine's going to be dudes and thongs. It's going to be a fucking dudes and banana antics. Seals with their shirts off. All right.

So you got to hit the little explore page. Yeah. This has got to be cold. Oh, God, you don't even want to fly. The first thing. Yeah. Oh, okay, go to, go scroll down right here like this to where it's like just these pictures and describe the first top six photos.

My first one is amazing. It's a great white shark getting ready to fuck something up. I have that same fucking picture. Awesome. And then it's a woman kind of clothed and then not clothed. Then Connor McGregor. then a dude rock climbing and then the rest of them are...

Is it that kind of McGregor? No, it's this one. He's doing his little walk. I guess he got arrested in Corsica or something like that. Yeah. The vast majority of it is... Yeah, it's women in swimsuits. It's...

And then for whatever reason, I get a lot of CrossFit stuff in my feed, too. Well, you're watching it. That's why. Why is it... It's unfortunate, but that was like the first picture that popped up. But here's the thing. This is...

So, yeah, if you think that they're not, paying attention to your interface of their device. And that's the point is like, they're, they're, this goes right back again. God damn it. This podcast is brought to you by Tim Kennedy,

by the way. It should be. It has to be. But by being removed and getting your information through that, and if they're targeting you, which is, I think, the correct and most accurate word of what's going on.

Because if you look at this, this Instagram is not paying for itself, right? That's why they're worth billions of dollars, yeah. And you're insulated and you keep looking at the same thing. so their algorithm keeps showing you the same things. I just hope that it's not lost on people that it's getting more and more and more and more channelized, which I think we would be better served

if it got broader and broader and broader and broader, but I think that would probably destroy their revenue model. It would. Because people do not want to see or engage with something that bumps up against something philosophically in between their ears, which is what they would actually benefit from. They lose that dopamine head.

You start losing dopamine. I mean, here's something that I physiologically have paid attention to. I audiobook constantly. So if I'm driving for 10 hours, I'm listening to 10 hours of audiobooks. And what I've realized is all my audiobooks are the same shit, hunting outdoors, survival, cool, military history. So I started buying audiobooks that I don't necessarily think I'd like. that's the best way to put it.

Yeah. Meaning I'm not going to get the dope. I'm not going to get, one, I'm not going to be motivated to click on it. Two, listening to it is not going to drive motivation and dopamine.

I'm not going to get excited. And then three, I'm forcing myself to learn something that I potentially wouldn't otherwise have learned. The shitty part about it is, I don't listen to any of those audio books.

I fucking start them for like a sentence and I'm like, fuck this boring shit. Dude, I've literally driven my truck falling asleep and I'm like, I have to get some fucking Rogan on. I have to get some stump on. Like, I can't fucking do it, man. So we just always revert back to our fucking habits no matter what.

And it's machine learning, which is the scariest. When a smart coder slash developer builds a machine, which is software, that essentially learns your patterns of life and rhythm and then optimize it and accelerates it for fucking and targets you. And target your ass. You're fucked. And everybody can do this experiment. What I want you to do right out is put the podcast on pause or listen to it,

but go on your phone into Safari or whatever you would use. Do a Google search. And I want you to look for a product. You pick the product and then scroll into your social media platforms and watch what populates your feed. Yeah. And tell me that you're not being targeted. Oh, yeah. Easily targeted.

It's, you know, I'll look for, uh, I was actually looking at, a truck, back of the truck seat weapons mounting system. And that's about all I saw on social media for the next three fucking days. The very first ad was boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. I'm like, are you kidding me? Wow. Are you kidding me? Yeah. It's just

the web is so interconnected. It is. So ridiculously interconnected. And it is a learning machine that is learning how fucking stupid we are as humans. I heard Rogan say this and I heard you talk about it with the media as well, I'm going to start, I'm going to try. This is my fucking attempt. This is my launch code of this. I'm going to attempt to start a media company. But I want to ask you, because I want to get your input. I'm starting a media company that is as objective as it can be in the context of of, let's put it this way, open source information that's going to allow you to make better decisions to navigate.

the world around you, i.e., you get local or even national news that tunes you into what's going on that's after the fact, meaning it's not a story for the sake of a story and narration to draw people in. It's, this is happening, and this is the area, it's objective, and here's the recommendation. Maybe like open source intelligence analysis, which is, you know, the significant activity that's going on and then the recommendation for that, but not as dry as the fucking, it's It's not like a sit-rep that you read on a daily. What are some characteristics of good news outlets or what you would like to see in a news app or a news feed? Fuck, a good news outlet.

I'll start there. I don't know which one I could point anybody towards because I feel like most, and you know what, I'd have to use the term news lightly as well. It's editorialized information, I think is a more accurate description of what most people are receiving. So I guess what I would like to see would be the opposite of that, as much as possible. And I don't know how to do that other than leaving almost every article open-ended, presenting the facts and not, no, not don't write out every time, but literally like, now you as an intelligent thinking human being need to figure it the fuck out for yourself.

Is that like a bullet, like bullet statements? So it's not it's not a it's not rolled up into a storyline. Yeah, I don't know. I mean, because if you have somebody writing it, they will, like we've talked about, there is bias and they will write it through that. So it will require you to have people on both sides of whatever metaphorical aisle that you're talking about that either worked in tandem or separately and then the shit to somebody from one side of the fence, they each write it and you present both and people can land in the middle.

I don't know if it's bullet points. It gets tough. Any time that, anytime that there's a human being interface in between. the information, you know. Fuck, I have no idea. I would need some time to wrap my head around that. I like the idea, though. What would make it popular?

See, that's the one thing I can't figure out because when you look at the fact, the fact that it would be unpopular that people would have to think. Yeah, you would literally have to do that, right? You would have to play off the oxymor of it all because every news outlet, even Fox News, which I look at both the same objectively.

And I go, fuck, both of these guys, Like if you look at Fox News, the first couple of scrolls, like going through, they'll have actually news stories. And then they get into weird shit like. Cardashians. Yeah, Heidi Kloom was seen on the beach wearing a fucking thought. And you're like, what the fuck? And I click it anyway. I'm just trying to, for research purposes. I'm like, well, of course for research. Yeah. And I'm like, 10 scrolls down. I'm like, I haven't seen Heidi Kloom's ass once. Scam. Right. It's just a, it's a deep rabbit hole. You're like, what the fuck am I here? But it, but it, but it makes it. But it, but it makes it. But it. But it makes it. But it. But it. But it. But it. But it. But it. But it. But it. But it. But it. But it. But it. But it. But it. But it. But it. But That's what makes it popular. I'm like, how the fuck do you make objective, actual news? Popular. Maybe the way it's told. And you get a funny fucking comedian. Yeah, but then you're going to piss off 50% of the people because you'll be mocking their, you know what I mean?

Like there's always the lens that people are going to view it through. Dude, I don't have an answer to that question. That's a tough one. It's the toughest thing. Here's what happened with American Contency that is evolving, which I never thought this would happen. American contingencies, the entire purpose of American contingency is giving people purpose. There's like people are like, oh, you're starting a militant movement. No, the fuck we're not. I've never messaged that. I've never disseminated that in the written word speaking it.

Never. It's only been about empowering people to be better prepared for themselves, for their families and their communities, which by, I think by benefit makes us all better citizens of the country. I couldn't agree more. So, and I was going to ask you specifically about. the American contingent. Go back, like, where did it come from? Why did you decide to start it? Just unpack the whole thing. Yeah, so me and Kevin Owens were in Colorado, and the COVID shit was falling apart.

And we actually were doing a podcast. He was just on the mic drop one. He was. Okay. One of the most phenomenal human beings on planet. He's in Montana with me right now in a different location. Irish-born, right? Irish-born was a counter-terrorism army ranger wing operator.

they have a tier one element. He was there for like five or six years doing what they do similar to the British SAS. Yep. And became a green beret. Was my small unit tactics instructor. We were snipers together

and then changed the entire sniper game for us. I mean, he was a sniper, NSUIC, a non-commissioned officer in charge of the entire schoolhouse. People are like, God damn it. What the fuck is that? But, you know, Cagg snipers,

Rangers snipers and SIFs snipers and Special Forces Snipers. He was in charge. at schoolhouse. But we're in a conversation and it came up about the beginnings of the shit falling apart. Like people were protesting. And I, oh, so you're in COVID watching some of the things trend towards violence. Yes. Okay. Yeah. So there's compounding factors. Okay. And I was like, you know, I would, I would want to start something. And we had talked about getting off the bench concept. Like, you know, there's people all around the United States who are law-abiding citizens

who are sitting on the bench watching everything unfold. They don't participate in surveys. They aren't active politically. They just fucking do their job. They're blue-collar, white-collar people who just do their job. Knows to the grindstone people who are just trying to make it through the day. Exactly. Just that's the core of America.

So what I realized was this happened in Portland, not based on three weeks ago, but months ago, they had a situation where they told their, this actually started in Seattle, but the Seattle mayor told their law enforcement officers not to respond. They had to prioritize and they said, you will not respond and you will not do anything call related. And a dispatch person reached out to me and a law enforcement officer reached out to me.

And I realized I went, oh shit. Then I at the same time, maybe a couple days later, the not fucking around coalition. Which all they're doing is fucking around. Can we be clear? It should be called the fact, right? Yeah, they are fucking around. Yeah, fucking N-C-O-I-C of those fuckwits.

Jesus Christ. Yeah, he thinks a M-16 fires from the open bolt. What did he call that thing? He called it the grease gun. Yeah. I'm like, come on. It's the open bolt. He thinks that you launch the bolt and it sends the projectile shooting. But Mike, he's a veteran.

It's so bizarre. He is a veteran. A fucking bizarre. Do you know what that means? Nothing, all right? Absolutely nothing. It really doesn't mean that fucking much, people. It's zero.

rid of that fucking halo or whatever you think it means. Zero. Well, he says all the people in the organization, including the guy who accidentally discharged his weapon and injured another person standing next to him. Yeah, because the N-FAC people were facking. Yeah, they're fucking fackers, man. It's so fucked up, man. So these guys, these guys are fucking off and they're they're fucking around and they're calling people outside of their homes, which I thought was, you know, it's one thing to say I'm going to start protesting even with guns right which I think is stupid but you're fucking doing it and they start calling people out and they're calling like they're saying all you crackers come outside of your home and my nickname when I was a kid was cracker my dad was a fucking

white dude right and he used to call me cracker and I took that as a term in endearment but he means it as a term of racism he might as well be saying the N word to black people but he's saying calling white people crackers it's just as offensive isn't that it's that Isn't it interesting, though, how it's not, it doesn't seem to be recognized. Nobody even gives a shit. Yeah, racism. And I hear this, well, you have to be in a position of, what is it, power or authority to be racist.

How about fuck you? How about treat everybody exactly the same? And if you're making any decision based off of whatever position you were in, based off color, ethnicity, whatever it may be, you're fucking racist. How about that? Absolutely. I don't think it's inclusive to one set of people. Yeah.

When I was called chink and all the ching chong and all this shit, which I thought was funny because I like to laugh off people who are fucking losers. But it hurts. I mean, that shit's real. I mean, that's racism, no matter what color you fucking are. So I went, these racist people who are calling people outside of their homes, that's scary. We got an influx through my company, Philcraft Survival, which we do prepare this shit. I mean, we teach hundreds of training courses. We teach Philcraft.

We teach Philcraft all over the fucking world. survival. And survival. I don't know how you came up with that name, Fieldcraft survival, given what you teach? Fieldcraft and survival. It was a shit ton of shit. It was, you don't even want to know the naming. They're like, God damn it.

What do we teach? We teach fieldcraft and survival. Hmm, I have an idea. Let's call it tradecraft. Fuck, man. I had all this shit lined out and I started realizing via all the messages that we got, which is hundreds and maybe even thousands. What was the general sentiment in the message?

What do we do? Yeah. That's the biggest question. I'm starting to get a lot of that as well. I don't teach fieldcraft or survival. Yeah. What do we do? Mike, what do we do right now?

You're saying get off the bench. And it's like the same ideology behind people who say, you got to have a better mindset. And so my sergeant major brain is like, what the fuck does this mean? Like, why are you saying that? Give me tangible takeaways, literal things that I could do. And so I try to map that out. And for me, it was a problem, which is, you know, you know, know, our brains work in which like to fix problems.

So I'm like, what the fuck do we do? Well, one, I want to instill confidence in people. And I said to Kevin, I said, listen, we have to start something. I don't even give a fuck if it's just a philosophical movement that gives people some tools. Let's start something. And when I started it, Kevin Owens actually named it. I'm like, it's American something. And he's like, what about contingencies?

We always do contingencies and primary alternate contingency and emergency plans, pace plans. I'm like American contingency We fucking named it And then we put it out And I didn't realize How many people were really scared And really looking for answers Until we released it

And got droves of people coming into the fold We're like fuck we're invested We want to get involved So I will say this And this is how it started off wrong Is people immediately thought Mike Glover Former Special Operations guys

He's starting a militia A fucking militia. I had tweets. I had articles, which were all faults and fake. I had people writing news stories on me saying a former special operation CAA-C-A contractor is starting a fucking right-wing militia. Which anybody who fucking knows me, no, I mean, dude, I've never openly say this. Like, I like weed. You know why I like weed in gummy form? Because it helps me sleep. And it's better than fucking, what is it called? The shit. Meth. Cocaine. Heroin. Ambien. Ambien. Close. But it's better than all that shit. Do you know what's better than Ambien? Anything.

Anything is better than that. That shit is so addictive. Dude. I was taking one, you know this because you're in special operations. That's what they gave us to put us down. We had two bowls. Yeah. Adderall Ambien.

Yeah. And we had the shit before the Adderall where you thought your hair was going to fucking light on fire and you're like, I do want to charge a 50-cal nest. Yeah. And then you have the ulcer and your stomach hurts for days and you lay in bed exhausted. And you can't sleep. Yeah. And you're just like,

you're puking do heavy you know are sad thoughts do they weigh more than happy thoughts so you're just sitting there fucking losing your mind so what do you do ambient bowl completely unregulated and when it gets low the doctor's just like dump it in there yeah yeah fuck and that was the constant cycle yeah I would rather I mean so uh killcliffe dude the CBD stuff I love it I am so anti putting a pill into my mouth based off of I could go to the corman and be like I have a headache bag of 800 milligram motrons. I just sawed my hand off by accident bag of 800 milligram motrons. Yep. I have cancer bag. Well, then that was probably a stretch, but also probably the hand is a stretch

too. But let's just say they will give you, you know, they just gave me so many pills. And I did go down a journey in a rabbit hole with pills after I got hurt, but I hate that shit. I do too. I would rather take a weed gummy any day of the week. Absolutely. Than an ambient. I'm a big advocate. Well, I don't think I have been an advocate. I've been talking about it and and I've never openly said this on a podcast, but I'll say it now is, is I am an advocate for number one, anything CBD related. Yeah.

That's good CBD. Like on Canna, which I'm, I'm, I know the guy who started the company who's a former ranger and he puts the right filtered doses of CBD, the cannibinoid receptors that are going to affect change and help help you. And also a big fan of the Kilcliffe CBD drink. I can't even keep them in stock because all my guys are crushing. I just give them away. I love them.

They and people will ask me all the time, does it make a difference? I feel it. Physiologically, I do feel it. And so I have, like, I messed around with all of it, like the sovs and the cream. And some of them don't work great. Yeah. And I found stuff where like I'll get banged up at Jiu-Jitzi and I'll rub it on there. And it's like two minutes. Gone.

I feel so much better. And it's localized to that one place. I'm not having to ingest pill after pill after pill. And then I need to eat because I was. and feel like I was going to throw up. And then I'm like, well, I guess I do just ship blood all the time because, you know, 2400 milligrams of motoring today apparently is not good for you. It's life changing.

Life change. It is life changing. I give that stuff away as fast as I can because people will ask, does it work? Like, dude, it fucking works. And I feel it more. Like, I will take or drink the, I drink the drinks more often because it's convenient. I just throw them in my truck. But it helps me with, like, stress relief.

Yeah, absolutely. And I don't understand the mechanism by which it works. but I noticed a difference in my life. The first time I realized Ambien was a problem was in Northern California when I woke up in my bed naked with dirt and mud inside the sheets with me. Oh, you went on a vision quest. Dude, I went on the vision quest. I tried to find the vision quest naked in my Jeep.

I found it in a ditch. My girlfriend at the time drug my ass out and God bless her heart. We went through some shit together. But I was transitioned out of the military. all fucked up was taking Ambien drinking whiskey trying to go to bed it's a classic pairing that's yeah you can't slice a lime like elk and red wine go together ambient and whiskey is not the good combo for pairing dude have you ever done the Ambien Olympics which ones that oh tell me about it because I might have done it but called it something else come back off of you know

son's coming up you come back you D-joc episode of 24 goes in everybody takes an ambient if you're awake at the end of the episode everybody takes another they're ambient and you continue until there's only one man standing. Yes, I've done that. Don't ever do this for anybody who's listening, but that's what we used to do, that the highest levels of special operations. So take whatever you thought we were and then realize we're a bunch of fucking monkeys because that's what we would do. And I don't advise anybody would do that. And you'll find people passed out like face down naked on gravel the next morning, not knowing how they got there. 100%. We used to do, I did a sniper stay behind missions for in Iraq. So we would infill at night.

occupied during the day, watch and observe the guys that we're going after from across the street or whatever. And we would be in that house. I would take, it wasn't the Adderall. You're right. It was like the shit that fighter pilots got. Yeah, and I can't remember the name of it, but goddamn. By 30 minutes later, your skin's tingling.

Here's what I realized it was a problem. But, like, I enjoyed it. When I was staring out of a window, pulling security, and enjoyed doing so. Like, for hours and fucking out, like 10 hours later And I'm like, this is fucking amazing. Like, I love, I love pulling security and staring at the fucking ground. Like, my brain.

And then you come back from that, so exhausted. Yeah, you age about seven years every time you take for those pills. It would fuck people up. We had guys, the problem is in combat, you do those kind of rotations and then you rip out of it. And then you go back into a normal cycle and have fun with that transition. It's fucking brutal. And so you get back on the train. I was able to break it.

more than most because I didn't really have an addictive personality I never have but when I got out of the military I'm like I can't sleep the VA gave me Trazadone

which is a It's not like a horse tranquilizer Dude it fucking might as well been It made me It made me like a fucking zombie If I wasn't Trazadone right now I'd be sleeping

Under the fucking table And it's supposed to help you With anxiety But it's supposed to help you sleep And they would do Ambien Trazadone And they would give you both They would give you both.

How do you even survive that? You barely do, and people don't. And then with alcohol, it fucking wrecks your life. Yeah. I took Indica is the one that makes you sleepy. And there's sativa that keeps you awake. And now it's smart because they do different strains of it. For the first time ever in my life, because I was anti-wheat.

Dude, I was the guy in technical community college, because that was my college outside of military college that I went to, where I argued. with kids. Like, you fucking loser. You fucking weed head. You don't understand. And looking back on them, I'm like, what the fuck? Like, I wish every, I wish every member of special operations was allowed to smoke weed. Because I know when they came back from home and they were all fucked up and they were showing it in anger and emotional breakdowns and they hit a fucking joint or they ate a gummy, they would go, holy fuck, it's not so bad. Yeah, it would round the corner substantially. Yeah. And they would

when I slept for the first time in my life, I realized what sleep was and how important it was. And I wasn't hooked because of the drug. I was hooked because of the result. Yeah. And so I'm a big proponent of it, man. I know we sidetracked there, but I fucking like weed.

I'm a big... Be careful with the quantity that you consume people. So yeah, you want to talk about stories you never talked about? Okay, I've had a few gummy incidents in my life. And I can tell this story. Unfortunately, the other person involved with the, the story has since passed away, but I was in Switzerland, base jumping. And we were out having come some steak frets, steak and french fries.

And it was the end of the trip and we'd been hiking our asses off. And it just at the end of the evening, my buddy was like, hey man, he had some jelly slices. And I was like, dude, I just want to get a good night's sleep because he was leaving the next day. I was there for like the next two days. He's like, here, have some of this. I'm like, cool. And I ate it. And like 30 minutes later, I'm like, dude, that didn't do shit.

Give me another one of those. That's the word. That's right there. He's like, uh, you probably don't want to do that. I was like, shut up, dude. First off, I am the boss of you at every fucking way. Whatever you take, give me three times that. So he gave me another one and we walked over to a restaurant.

We were sharing a bottle of wine and having literally steak-free, steak and fries. And I remember I took a sip of wine, delightful, like Pino, like a nice red, chewing some food. And I take another sip of wine. And it tastes completely and utterly different than the sip I had just taken. We're talking maybe a 60 second separation. And then the world is just like, and I remember what I thought was only like five seconds. My buddy, Alex, was across the table fucking in tears, dying, laughing.

I remember looking up and I'm like, what are you laughing at? He was just like, you, you're fucked up right now, aren't you? I could barely walk back to where we were staying. I was having like a full on psychedelic, what it seemed like skin tingling. I got stuck on that ride for 48 hours. And that's the thing. That's why I say be careful. I don't have a lot of experience with that.

But what I do have experience with is getting stuck on a fucking train ride that I couldn't get off. And it got miserable. I had one of those for 12 hours and it fucked me up. Dude. It fucked me up. You're in a prison of your fucking mind. Have you ever heard of, this is interesting. You ever heard of the fucking K-hole?

not anything sexual ketamine ketamine the ketamine you know what I have heard that term but I have absolutely zero experience with anything like that you've never done any ketamine

no so I had trapnel in my fucking face well because it's a painkiller right like an incredibly powerful it's like more powerful than morphine or any of those opiates right it's it's what can be just as powerful

but I think the the reason doctors use ketamine and this is not from my doctorly worldly experience but people tell me is that ketamine, um, when you kill the pain, you kill the memory associated with the pain. So it numbs the, the associative factor. So most people who take ketamine, it knocks them unconscious. And so they don't, there's no association. So they don't freak out. They don't lose their shit. And then when they reflect back on the pain, there's not the association of the pain.

Interesting. So, um, never had done ketamine or any fucking thing recreationally. And, and I don't recommend ever doing it. I was in a, hospital when this happened. I had facial cellulitis and I had trapnel in my face and a piece was working itself out of my fucking nostril. And it turned into an orb which manifests itself into an infection and I had facial cellulitis. This is over the course of like just like a massive bump on your face. Well no it was it was like my face was like you know how cellulitis you push the skin. Yeah. And there's no calip capillary response. Yeah. Just you is like dead. Dentation. Yeah. My face was like that. And it was fucking scary. I would have made fun

fun on you so bad. Dude, it was fucking horrible. Like your face. You dead face fucker. We're in that dead face mask. I don't need a mask now on COVID. It was all fucked up. And so I went to the doctor and I never had any psychedelic experiences. I'm a big fan of everything that way now

because I think creativity is like the it's like the ocean. We haven't really tapped into that, especially in our minds. And so I'm sitting there in the hospital and they go, hey, we're going to lance this. We're going to cut it from the inside of your cheek and then we're going to try to push the infection out. I'm like, well, that's scary as fuck. That's and gross. But let's do this shit. Let's talk about what you're going to do for me, Doc. Yeah, let's lay out what my options here.

He did. This is in Amador County. This is NorCal. And the guy's like, have you ever done ketamine? I said, I haven't, but I have experience working with ketamine. Like in Iraq, Afghanistan, our docs always used ketamine on indige on people for wounds. And it's classic and veterinary things because of the fucking animals. Okay. It's it's mainly used for, uh, for animals. And I said no, but I can because I'm not a fan of morphine. It makes me itch and shit. I just don't feel well. He goes, okay, I'm going to get the dock from upstairs. There's two docs in the hospital. I'm going to get him to come down and we're going to put, we're going to use ketamine instead of morphine. So this guy comes down. And he's of Arab descent, and I say this for a point in the story later, and he's middle eastern, he's got a big

beard, and I look at him, and I'm like, okay, and they have me on something already. It's like a fucking, like maybe a bump of morphine, so I'm taking down a level, maybe even a volume or something like that. And he gets set up, and he walks into the room, he's like, what am I doing? Like, oh, you're the only person in the hospital who could administer, basically, paraphrasing, who could administer ketamine. So you're going to get this. And the nurse hands in a syringe of ketamine, and it looks like a lot, a shit time. but he goes over and he goes to my IV line it and he sticks it in and he goes okay just let me know and this is happening fast and I look at the doctor who's talking to me he goes okay so what we're

going to do is we're going to start out and he turns back at the doctor who's administered in the ketamine and the guy pushes the whole fucking syringe like he literally like jams it and the guy looks back at him and and the guy looks at him he goes was I supposed to and he goes did you just and there's this moment of like they're looking at each of like oh fuck

they look at the nurses and the nurses like what the fuck and then I fucking transport my into a fucking another universe dude I swear to God

it was like I went what the fuck is going and he just it I straight into orbit on one of Elon Musk's rockets

dude it it was the most here's what I would say about this outside of the most traumatic experiences in war this trumps every one of those experiences by tenfold.

I was in a fucking world where my head was on a fucking roller coaster. And it's just, it's not a passive, like a, this is a dream and I got segment. I'm immersed in this fucking world. Like I remember it all. My head's on a roller coaster and I'm floating around on this roller coaster through space and time. And I'm interacting with people. And through this, the course of this interaction, I come to the conclusion. conclusion that I have no communication with my body. I'm just a fucking floating orb that is a

cartoon head that looks like fucking family guy. And I not only do I realize this, but I come to terms with it. And I come to terms with the existence that I'm going to live as a fucking head on a roller coaster, but it's going to be cool because everybody here's cool. I feel good. We're fucking living this life. And then as I'm transporting through this roller coaster, all of a sudden, I hit, you know on the tracks on a roller coaster when it comes to an end? Yeah. Break you. It goes,

Chich, juch, jill, jill. Yep. All of a sudden, it's going, and my head's fucking coming on this, on this cart. And I'm looking around and I'm confused because the ride's kind of over. And all of a sudden, I feel like my body reconnecting with my brain. And I kind of come out of it a little bit. And my eyes wake up and I start seeing shit.

and in my right hand I have the person who's in the fucking stretcher in the hospital that's between a curtain and me I fucking reach over and grab her fucking, it's like the armrest thing

and rip her towards me then all I remember is like the nurse is pinning me to the fucking ground I look up and the fucking Arab doctor I'm sorry about this I'm that fucking

racist. But he looks at me and I'm like, you fucking Haji beard? I'm like yelling Hajie beard in the middle of this. He's in shock. The nurses are in shock. I'm fucking screaming and I look over and my ex-girlfriend is recording the whole fucking thing on a camera. She just got it. She's like filming the shit. And I'm freaking losing it and I'm coming out of it and it starts to come back and then I realized I was out. And I look at my ex-girlfriend and I'm like, what the fuck happened? She goes, you fucking lost like your eyes were rolling to the back of your head the whole time. I was like, wait a minute.

What do you mean? Rolled in the back of my heads. Like, I must have been out for like a day. Like, what the fuck? You were out for 10 minutes. 10 fucking minutes. It felt like in a lifetime. Like I lived an entire lifetime in this conscious state.

So I'm like, what the fuck just happened? Holy fuck. I go through this and I start doing research on the K-hole. And apparently everybody who experiences this does, experiences the same kind of cartoony, visual feel. becoming disassociated with their physical body and has this life-altering experience and I fucking had it.

And it was all trauma. It was all, I mean, some people have a good experience. My experience wasn't bad, but it was significant. And then I realized, man,

there is another portal inward that I have not even fucking begin to understand. And that's why I'm fascinated by the whole fucking, I mean, I was supposed to go to, not Costa Rica. Iowa-

The ayahuasca thing down South America. or I-B-Gain or whatever they give you. Yeah, I was supposed to do that. I had a hard pass on that because I'd pay my own fucking travel. I'm fucking terrified of that shit, man. Somebody described it, I'm going to paraphrase, but they basically said, you know,

when it comes to psychedelics, the people who should or are considering using psychedelics, be prepared to give the anchor chain of reality a tug. And don't go down that route unless you're prepared to do so. I totally fuck that up, but it kind of makes it. Would you ever do it in a controlled setting? It'd have to be super controlled, right? It would have to be super controlled for me.

I am willing to give the anchor chain of reality a tug because I want to learn more about myself. That's the reason that I would do it. I'm not interested in having an experience that isn't meaningful or that doesn't provide me more insight into who I am as a person. Yeah. I think that's the benefit of it. Yeah.

Having said that fucking terrified of it. Yeah. I when I was started like I started getting into mushrooms and and understanding like mycelium and and DMT and all these things. I I tripped mushrooms and I've never tripped mushrooms before and the only interest for me was healing, you know healing, which they say it literally does if you talk to the doctor like at a cellular level at a cellular level like the synapsis that scar. I think it's called myelin but it's like the scar tissue that creates memories. It's and I say, scar tissue trying to visualize it. It's not literally that. Yeah. But it creates this portal. What

what the psilocybin does is it creates new neural networks that redefine. So it's the idea like and I'm not a big IED trauma guy. I've never seen like I've been IED before and it was catastrophic but it didn't fuck me up. Yeah. So I'm driving, you're driving down a road and you see a bag and the bag reminds you of an ID and then you go into a, you know, your, what is it, adrenal glands and your... I'm not sure the mechanism, but I know what you're describing. Yeah, fight or flight, basically.

Hypatolumous activates cortisol. It floods to your fucking system and you fucking react. That is caused by a memory that is triggering that endocrine neurological response, right? That physiological response. So I see the bag, I go, oh, fuck,

and then I go into fighter flight or freeze. So what this literally does, and this is just the education that I got on it, is it creates another pathway around that. So when you see that, you go, oh, there's a fucking bag on the side of the road. And then you move on with your life. Instead of transporting back to the experience. Yeah, because you're triggering memories that are associated with physical conditions in the real world that you experience, which is the whole means behind memories in the first place to remind you and trigger your physical body. to allow you to survive in primal or ancestral kind of conditions. Oh shit, there's a fucking tiger. Now I need to change the physical composition of my body to survive. So if I didn't have that

association, I'd see a tiger. Oh, a fucking pet tiger. Hey, kitty. Come here, kitty, kitty. It's like the lady who's letting in the raccoon. She thinks it's her fucking cat. She's letting it inside. So it creates that pathway. But when I fucking trip mushrooms, I'm not a big Native American. I have Native American in me. Very small percentage of it. I don't even know where the it comes from. It's like four to six generations away. And when I fucking trip mushrooms, I went into another portal of my mind. I fucking saw, I hadn't watched a cowboy movie in fucking years. I saw Native American Indians and full warrior kit running and full gallop with fucking streaming Falcon Eagle's faces pushing through space in front of them. Mind boggling.

where I went straight there, didn't even research that there was this common experience shared by people who trips psilocybin, but it was all like I was a fucking Native American Indian. Dude, and I was in a residential home and a comfy bed,

and there wasn't any kind of that material or thought inside of my head. I was like, I want to go into this state and fucking see if I can heal some shit. And all of a sudden, I'm transported to a fucking cowboy in Indians movie. but it was profoundly impactful

because I realized dude you're not fucking what you perceive is not the reality that you tangibly live it's inside and it made me feel better about light like I woke up I remember

coming out of it and telling my family and my friends like dude that fucking was impactful and not only was impactful but I want to do it again I don't want to do it like tomorrow

but I want to do it routinely is hygiene. A meaningful enough experience. Yeah, the mental health, mental hygiene aspect of that. You got to trip much. You got to do it, man. Never tried it. The best way to do it is, um, they, you can get mushrooms and chocolate, um, from legal sources

because there's a lot of places in the United States now, I think Denver, Port, or, there's cities in states that have legalized it. Yeah. Comes out of the fucking earth. The fact that it's illegal is kind of fucking bizarre to me. But it's, uh, it's control, but not there. It's illegal to use. and you take you micro dose it

and what I've also I can't believe I'm fucking admitting all this shit what's in this kill clip this is the recovery one oh my fuck so now you you microdose it and what microdosing does

at least for me is it increases the blood flow to my fucking head like I feel it feels like Adderall in a weird sense it's not like Atterol but it feels like you're on like an upper but without the upper

down, you're like, you don't have to shit your pants, you don't feel like jittery. And that's the tough one to describe to people about the uppers they gave us. The downside was a fucking trapdoor that was substantially worse than the up. Horrible, right? Oh, it put me on my fucking ass for 48 hours. How did you cycle

because you live that life and you do those rotations? How did you cycle away from that? I would stop trying to take the Ambien about two weeks before coming home and force myself through those really rough three to five days. where you can't sleep because that shit's addictive. It is.

Addictive as fuck. And I would try to get home on a normal sleep cycle. And it was tough. Are you good sleeper now? Off and on. I'm often on too. Yeah, it's either pretty good sleep or I am. If my brain does a revolution on a topic, I'm fucked.

If you try, my brain's the same way. If I get up to piss in the middle of the night. Yeah. And if I have a one thought, right? One full revolution of like, hey, I need to do this task. Don't forget to do this task. I'm like, fuck. That's all you'd be thinking about.

Correct. Yeah, I'm the same way. I have to almost pretend to be a dummy. Like I'm like, I'm so tired. I'm fucking dumb and going to sleep. And then I'm like, but there's that one fucking thing you haven't done. I know. And then it's done.

Which reminds you of another one and then you're planning out your entire day. And then I'm sitting there looking at the ceiling going through analytical thoughts at two in the morning. I don't sleep well. I don't think I've ever. Have I ever slept well? it's well i think i slept fine when i was in high school and shit like that but i can't remember a time where i've had a consistent period of my life even for like a week where i'd wake up and like this is amazing yeah do you ever try the devices like the aurora i just ordered that aurora ring

it's the ring that monitors your vitals a buddy not a buddy of mine he's an associate of mine um um i hope to have him on a podcast soon his name's jeff woo he's a big biohacker but that ring is supposed to be really accurate. So it basically gives you some insight to what your body's got going on. Yeah, I think a lot of it has to do with physical movement. So when you're moving and you're shifting, which I do constantly,

yeah, it tracks your sleep that way and then gives you feedback and then gives you windows. Like for some reason, like today, I got about four in the morning. Jock, I would be proud. Yeah, I took a picture of my mind. See, I don't post my pictures. I wake up at 350, but I don't post it.

It's a secret closed account. I'm 349, but it's fine. Yeah, I don't like to brag. I don't like to hashtag that. But when I woke up, I think it was 417, I stayed up. But if I go back to bed at 6.30 or 7, there's this magic window where I'm nauseous because I can't, I'm so freaking fatigued and tired that if I sleep from like 630 to 730 or even 630 to 7, it feels like I got 10 hours of sleep.

Really? Because I'm so fucking burned out and exhaught. I don't know what it is. That's that we're fucked up. We're fucking horrible. So we have to go back. Explain to me why you started American contingency. That has to be the longest digression in fucking podcast history.

I don't even know how we went down that path, but I'm glad that we did. That was, that's fucking insane. I'm sorry about that. Stop looking at your Instagram butt pics. I know. They're yoga picks. Yeah. American contingency, wow.

We got to the naming. convention. And then people reaching out to you saying, hey, what do you want to do? Yeah. Or what should we do, I should say. Well, so we, the way it lined out is I did, well, here's the biggest problem with all this. How the fuck do you do that? Anything without being suppressed. Because when I thought about it, even on my own account and talking about it in live feeds, they were getting taken down. Instagram right now. I wonder what the mechanism is for that. Is that people complaining or do they have an algorithm? It's both. Okay. It has to do with keywords and phrases.

It even has to do with what's complaints. And what I think I have is a... Well, I report your posts every time. I know, me too. I immediately click on your shit and be like, this man's racist. I've been giving you one stars on your podcast. I do zero. But it hasn't been changing the stats.

You're getting bigger and better and you get more ratings. I'm just helping you out there. It does have to do with that. And I realized... Well, it's not going to help either. if you early on get branded externally as a fringe organization, militia, right wing, the combination of those two. None of those are going to help either.

I'm sure those algorithms are looking for shit like that. Like Facebook deleted, not only Antifa accounts, but every single, I think they're called three percenters, the three percenter groups, the right wing. Gotcha. The Patriot groups, they deleted them all. I mean, thousands of them. I even had some of them contact me,

like how can we reallocate our guys? We want to get involved. So when I looked at this from kind of a business mind and perspective and how to affect the most people, I realized that I couldn't put it on any social media platform. I did. I put it on Instagram until it is going to be suppressed. Eventually it will be suppressed. But I wanted to have a contingency set up to where people can go outside of the main social media platforms to be able to find us.

So a buddy of mine, Will Harbin, big shout out to Will. Georgia. He's a video game company guy. Bought, sold, traded, did a whole bunch of shit with companies. He goes, hey, you should use a company called locals. And I'm like, bro, I'm not going to these fucking, because locals sound like... Locals like you're a local L-O-C-A-L-S? Yeah, it's like a fucking dating app.

It's like Farmers.com? Yeah, farmer's only. Damn it, Farmers-only.com. Yeah, I got to take my profile down. I'm going to get a lot of spam. Your shirt today, though, dude, fuck. You'd be... I'd put that as your profile picture.

Have you seen these fucking... I almost blew my leg up. Those shit kickers, let's work on our hamstring flexibility there, okay? You don't even want to know. My fucking hamstring is all fucked up. I need you getting that fucking gym over there. Oh, yeah.

Do involuntary yoga or folding clothes with people still in it? Yeah, that's the best kind. Is that open still? You guys are still open, right? Yes. Can I even say that? Sure. It's Montana.

So there's no restrictions. I don't know the exact phase that we are in in Montana, but, so Travis and Kisa are the owners there, and they actually proactively shut. down very early. Yeah. And they were right to do so, I think, both from a medical and a social optic perspective. Yes. I have been able to train the entire time, but I also take it upon myself, my own health, safety, and security, the things that we're talking about. So a small group of us who managed our social contacts would meet and we would still train and accept the risk

of that. And we were really honest though, if we were traveling, who we were hanging out with, but where we are is geographically remote. I mean, Montana is a socially distanced state. I love that. Yeah, by topography and geography. So I have been able to keep training, but they have phased back in based on the guidelines that have come through. So it is open now, yes. I love it, man. So he hits me up and he says, you should be on this platform. I'm thinking it's a Dayton platform, so kind of blow them off. And I'm looking for platforms. My idea was, I'll just crowdsource this shit and I'll start in my own app. That is until I realize how much fucking apps cost, millions, like millions of dollars. For a good one. For a good one. I mean, you could go on.

and make your own fucking Google app, and it's a bag of shit. Don't do that, Mike. Yeah. Well, and the worst thing about that is when you start looking at something like this, which is harvesting social contacts, it's completely and utterly potentially exploitable by shitheads. Of course. And most people don't think about that.

So security is on my mind. Where I put them on a platform is on my mind and then not being suppressed. So I eventually reach out to the guy named Ari, who's the CEO of locals. He's also co-founder. And he's a former Israeli defense officer. Interesting. American. And he's like, hey, man, listen, I know security.

And Israelis know security more than anybody. And he's like, I know what you're talking about. And here's, let me lay it out for you. And he lays out the groundwork for the server. He goes, we will never suppress you. We are not in the business of suppression. That's why we started locals because we want to have people on the platform who know that if they want to moderate, they'll moderate themselves, which is another fucking ball of wax. So he gave me the confidence that I could potentially push everybody to locals. So I start that movement.

Well, the problem with, and that the problem, I think it's actually the benefit of locals is that it's a subscription based model, just like all these platforms. How the fuck are you supposed to build the server, maintain the server for free? And then do it for free. So we started looking at it. I go, well, here, we'll do a free version of it, which is American contingency that does open source intel. I got 22 analysts who are OGA guys that open source gather information and then reallocate it and disseminate it for geographical regions. They'll say, hey, there's a protest in your area in this vicinity on this hour, on this date, stay the fuck away. And so they do that for free on American contingency.com. And there's a paid sloth. And there's a paid sloth. lot and I'm like, I'm not going to charge people a lot of fucking money. So what's the minimum? It's five bucks. So the minimum is $5 a month. And in that fold, it allows us to start vetting people, which means I do a background investigation on you. I verify you are who you say you are and you're not a shithead. Even if you're a shithead, as long as you didn't touch a child, I'm okay with that. So I support the death penalty for pedophiles.

I support like fucking, like torture and fucking, oh, I should. Well, I didn't. No, I was going to say I didn't say how they were going to die. Yeah, we should be burning those motherfuckers at the ground. The sex offender app, which is a, to me, a D.F. tool, a directionally finding fucking tool, should, like, if you're going to go out and kill yourself, this is, like, you should, I want to advocate for you to not do that. But all these people were fucking wasting their lives, there's plenty. I shouldn't even say this on a podcast. I think this is my inside voice coming out. But you can, on a sex offender app, you could fucking find shitheads in your backyard by a red pin. You don't even want to look at that in Florida, by the way.

I have looked at that, and I will at least take a look at it anytime that I've looked at moving. And all I will say to people is you should go take a look and you'll probably be utterly shocked. It's fucking scary, isn't it? The number of red pins is very, very high. It looks like a cancer. Correct.

And more so if you click on the red pin, it shows you the dude's face. And if you look at these fucking people, you're like, wow. Wow, I don't mean the stereotype, but you fucking look like a sex offender. Not you like the fucking guy on the app. Yeah. It's fucking insane. Yeah.

Anyways, we digress again. We do. It's fine. American contingency. Paywall. So there's the paywall, which my thinking also too is we had people complain. They're like, like we just hosted $20,000 with a training in South Carolina at the sawmill. It's actually going on today.

September 11th, 12th, and 13th for 300 people. from all from from uh american contingency dot locals.com so they're members and they got training from mostly seals five navy seals three grs buddies a couple sf guys who are teaching them self-defense situation awareness not just tactics but how to think yeah you know um and their families there there's people who there with their children um there's there's husband and wives training together and and there's people complaining saying five dollars it's like fuck dude, you could pay $5 for a fucking energy drinking a gas station, but you're fucking complaining about getting free information and free training via an apparatus that brings people together.

So I thought, how am I going to navigate this world and what does it look like evolving? Well, one, it is a means to educate people. So it's a training apparatus. That's online training, offline training, physical training, mindset training. Also, teaching people how to lead in their own communities. When I did my first American contingency meet, it was in Oregon. And maybe 50, 75 people showed up. It was a small group because we were restricted by the community center that allowed us to do it. And the sentiment was the same. They're scared. They don't know what to do. They don't know what the start point is. So people just need guidance. And I want to run this like how an effective, efficient government should work, where I give you the promise that I'm going to give you left

and right limits. I'm going to create some construct of law and order, which is saying, hey, you can't be a scumbag and be on this app. You can't be a troll and talk shit and be negative and toxic because I'll just block and fucking delete you. I'll give you your fucking $5 back. And then give you education where you could do what you need to do in your own communities to lead on your own. Because the dictatorship, the hierarchy that I'm going to be the sergeant major, be the team leaders, that will fucking never work. Because people have their own incentives, their own agendas, and it will fucking fail. So I'm saying, look, I'm not, I'm not, Sergeant Major Glover is not flying out to you and fucking QRF in you. But what you could do

is look in your own communities. You could look at the construct of the way you're organized, families, friends, whatever that might look like. And you can come together as a community and stand up in your churches, stand up in your workplaces and say, hey, maybe we should do something together and come together as a community to protect ourselves and not just man-made disaster. We're not talking about fucking riots. The bigger scheme of maneuver here is we're talking about what's going on right now with the displacement of human beings and the wildfires in Oregon and California. Did you hear about the National Guard 47 pilots who just came in? Yeah. How they took off with again. Were the sore guys? Were those 160th guys?

I don't think they were. And they might have actually been 46s instead of 47s. But I'm amazing. They look thin, yeah. I'm amazed they could take off with their balls. weighing them down. Un-fucking believable. Basically, from what I heard, Cal fire was like, listen, we can't get to you. It was like 200 people.

The National Guard said, you're just gonna fucking die. And the National Guard was like, hold my fucking beer and just a dun-da-da-da-da-da-da. And just launching people out of there. Black the fuck out. And fucking rescued those people.

You see some of those pictures from the cockpit too? Like shit is just a blaze everywhere. Insane, man. And the guy's just like, yeah. I hope he has a fucking handlebar mustache. I know.

That would be badass. With the Raleigh-fingers twist. Oh, fuck yeah, dude. Like an ivory-handle pipe. I fucking love that, man. I realize, that is the thing too. And this is another one that I try to tell people.

You can avoid the riots and protests largely. Unless, you know, again, Tim was talking about the Uber driver who got put in the wrong direction. He got fucked, right? In Austin. He ended up shooting the guy who pointed an AK at him. But guess what? If you pointed AK at me, I'm going to shoot

you too. That happens. That's a mathematical formula in my mind. There's no emotion in that. That is one plus one equals. two shots to your face. But mostly it's completely and utterly avoidable. You don't have to go strap a gun on and come down to Calispell. They were like, oh, we're protecting the veterans' monuments. Like, I don't know if it was really at risk.

You don't have to do that shit. But you have probably no choice. I mean, look where I live too. Or you were at my house the last time. There's a damn good chance. Well, I'm not a damn good chance. But I have a better chance of being involved in an environmental situation that I ever will. because I'm not going to go to a riot.

I'm not going to go to a, I'm going to remove myself from that. There are so many more threats other than what you just see on the news. Yeah. People should understand, even though it seems like the world's falling apart, the world when it comes to natural disasters is literally falling apart. Yeah. We are consumed constantly. In the news cycle, because you haven't seen it,

there's been a catastrophic windstorm, a cyclone, a hurricane. numerous tornadoes. Wasn't it like a double hurricane in Texas? There was two two storm surges caused by two back-to-back tropical storms that that hit the country. There was two there's major wildfires that are making historic references right now in the history books. It's the biggest calfire circumstance they've ever dealt with in history. Oregon's following that same suit. It's since 2015 was the highest spike of wildfires. They will beat that this year. The the mayor just blamed or the governor just blamed it on climate control, actually thought was comical.

I saw that too. Jesus, fuck. Let's not even go down that. Yeah, that's not good on. But what I want people to understand is American contingency is about looking at yourself and realizing that you need to be your own first response. You have to take

your life into your own hands and that lies of your families. If you're waiting for governments, if you're waiting for institutions to come bell your ass out, then you're going to fucking potentially risk your life. And that's not okay. The, the evolution of this, the last component is be prepared, but the evolution of this is I want people to be able to help each other understanding they're also in the American contingency pipeline.

So it's just a better way of looking at you as being vetted, right? If I show up on scene, I got American Continental shirt, sticker, ID card, whatever the fuck it is. And you're an American contingency guy, we have a commonality or a common bond and at least establish SOPs. We We know, hey, we know what first aid in trauma is. You know, and it's generalized. I don't mean we know how to shoot, move, and communicate together. I just mean we're on the same sheet of fucking music. So when shit does hit the fan and we're able to logistically, which requires funds,

that's why I'm excited that it is a revenue stream because we're able to do the training on the East Coast. We're doing it in Dallas, Fort Worth. We're doing it in Series, California. We're doing it in Goldendale, Washington. these mass events where we could help train that one day we could mobilize and help each other. And I don't even give a fuck.

If there's nothing going on, we'll go to the fucking homeless and try to take 10 homeless people off the streets and have counselors, psychologists, and people there to help them see if we can get them off the fucking streets. We are surrounded by natural man-made disasters

and catastrophes every single day. Oh, it's going on somewhere in the world at all times. At all times. If we could have a community of like-minded people, who are on the same sheet of music that have some semblance of organization

that are like-minded. Out of all the things that I've seen bring people together, like Jiu-Jitsu brings your people and your community together, right? Preparedness is that for me. Because when I see people from different sides of the aisle,

liberals from San Francisco, conservatives from fucking Dallas, Texas, when they show up and the idea for them is to look at trauma, first aid, whatever the fuck it is, and getting better prepared to take care of their families, they're bonded in that. And it's one of the things that I've seen bring people together

for years in my company, Philcraft Survival. And for me, American contingency is the idea that we could come together as a broader community through that means. It's not a fucking militant movement because it's a bad tactic. It is a movement to look in your own communities, your own backyard and come together as such. Would you agree,

grab that one. I was going to kill it. I've been fucking eye. Kill that bitch. You're reading me. Would you agree that absolutely nothing that we did

in our combined careers had any like true magic to it? Meaning that it can be reduced. I mean, you come into something with whatever physical or emotional skills

you may have as a person and I went in with what I went. But the product or the things that we were able to do came from like the crawl walk run philosophy starting with foundational steps through practice training practice training practice training ad nauseum and I guess my point in saying all this is

I often see people who view the special operations community as um fuck like unicorns like oh no it's just those people and the reality is I think that's the farthest from the truth I think that people if they dedicate the time and energy and effort to whatever degree they want to I'm not saying try to make yourself into a J-Soc operator. Because if you want to do that, join the fucking military. And then they'll do that, but then go do some good stuff with that information. The point being, you could teach people everything that we did. There's no magic recipe that somebody's holding behind one of these curtains saying,

we're not going to share this with you. You just have to go do it. When I look at, when I start all my technical, we call them, you know, gunfighter or whatever. That's a marketing tactic. Because if you call it technical. skill sets or Pistol 101. It won't sell as much as tactical. Bitch, I'm looking for Pistol 115.

Yeah, and they're like, nobody show up. I want the advanced course. Yeah, there's no, and that's, that's it right there is there's no fucking advanced. There's no advanced ninja school. And I always tell people in my in brief, I hate to say this, but I'm going to underwhelm you with what you're going to learn. But what I am going to do is allow you to understand technically that everything I'm teaching you is a developed technical rep of a skill set. It's the mechanical process. Outside of that,

you have cognitive processes in decision making that are going to allow you to navigate the world around you executing those technical scripts. And the better you are at executing technical scripts, the more efficient you are, which means the more capability you're going to have to open up your cognition to allow you to think through problem sets. That's why CQB, close, battle starts out very technical and it's very mundane. It's two man. It's geometry. Yeah, it's three man into a room. Center fed, corner fed. It's four man. It's adding problems. Because if you add too many problems, you become overwhelmed, especially if it's compounded by stress. Well, I tell people all these technical shit that you learn, that never changes.

If you're, if you're learning on a flat range how to shoot a pistol and you're doing, this in a box, like this rectangle that is your hands in the pistol in front of your field of view, and it's a visual game of executing technical skill sets. Well, what's the difference between that on a flat range at 75 degrees sunny, no stress, and a 747 running down the aisle

trying to shoot a bad guy in the face to rescue the good guy in real life. There is no difference. The only difference... Are that guns are illegal in airplanes. Yeah, it's true. You can never do that in real life. That's a video game. On a bus.

You need to change that metaphor to a bus. The only difference is the environment in which you're in. Yeah. Don't develop new mechanics in that situation. Don't come up with a new tactic on game day. Please don't. Because if you realize that, then you'll understand that what you're doing physically, that you're emulating technically, never changes. So if you think about that, like just thinking of the kind of the fucking high level

thought strategy here, if I want to be as good as the guy running down the aisle on the 747, or the bus, or the bus, let's go with bus. You probably should go with bus. Let's go a bus. Then I want to imagine that I'm going to take all the technical skill sets that I execute on a flat range just as serious and then practice all the different environments, which is the advancement of executing technical scripts. So now if I'm sideways laying on my side, shooting a pistol in front of a car behind a car, or I'm in a car, or I'm in my bed getting the pistol from the nightstand. The technicalities of that remain the same. The environment has changed. So you take all that, which is technical skill sets and the cognition that's required to perform

or to maneuver through that environment, and then you take stress. That's really that is the discriminating factor between what makes an operator elite. versus a person potentially good or bad. Because what I've seen is the most technically proficient people on the planet, they've gone through the Q course, they've gone through OTC, they've gone through Ranger training, whatever the training is. That is not the end-all be-all understanding of how that person is going to react in the most accumulative stress in the world, which is combat, which is war.

So I've seen the guys who are operators or special operations guys and the fetal shivering, shaking. Same. Because maybe because we trained for reacting to contact to bullets to guns, but we're getting 107 millimeter rockets, shot in that have kill radiuses 100 plus meters. And nobody prepares you for that. And then that person... And you can hear those fuckers coming. Dude, that sound is her. Yeah, makes my butthole go inside out.

Or like incoming mortar fire? Oh, fuck, man. Dude, insane. That's another level. But the point is, no matter, if you look at that, no matter what you do on a range, no matter what you do in training, ultimately is not going to prepare you for war, like war is going to prepare you for war. That's why I harp on this emulation technical script writing and they influence her on Instagram versus

somebody who maybe he's not the fastest fucking shooter, but he's been to war he's been tested, validated, and proven, and he's a warfighter. There's a huge fucking difference between the two of those. I would actually take, if I look backwards, I would say,

because I get asked this often, people will say, well, how would a J-Soc shooter stack up against like a three-gun champion? And for 99.9% of the guys, they would get the floor mopped with them. They would. But they're from a technical proficiency standpoint so solid that you could take that shooter into the bus, the plane.

They do find on a three-gun, they're not going to win, you know, against professional shooters, but take that professional shooter, take the race gun away, give them a piece of military hardware or fuck Glock 45 with regular sites and say, hey, you need to perform in all these other environments. What you're going to see is one guy who just kind of cruises and performs versus a guy who's here and then comes back down the other direction. Yeah. I'll take the guy who's at 70 percentile the entire time. Yeah.

And the technical script writer, the person who practices the technicalities of executing physical movement, that has nothing to do with the script under stress, right? So the guy who runs the gauntlet of steel and paper targets and he smashes it and he shows the fucking pro timer of how good he has had executing the script, props to you for being efficient physically and optimizing your movement. and having the fastest time. Kudos to you. Try doing that in the middle of the night in a gunfight when people are shooting real bullets at you

trying to take your fucking life. Why do you have to make fun of tarant tactical like that? He's a good script writer. Let's make fun of Joe Rogan. Joe, I see you at that fucking tarant tactical range and I see you shooting really fast. Dude, I'm glad that brought you. That hurts my feelings when I see that.

Because when I see that shit, I'm like, you could see, If you look at the array of targets. Well, they never show the impacts. Yeah, they never show the, it's because every array and how it's offset, you could shoot and hit any fucking pieces still. And the way that you're looking, I know exactly what you're talking about.

The POV of the shooter, you're just literally working probably front to back, and it seems to be left to right on that one side. Dude, and you know the deal as a shoe. You're just sitting there just fucking ding-n-ding-ding-ding-ding. Just letting the recoil drive you in that direction. There's no consciousness there. No.

Those dudes are complete. Most of them, chicks. and no offense to the chicks, but most of them are just turned off. They're unconscious and they're just blasting. To stay cognitive during, the hardest thing for those script writers is to stop or interrupt the script as executed.

It's the same thing. It's like the idea of doing a practical shooting exercise where you shoot the target three times and then you look left, look right, and look behind you. One, when you shoot three times, you're executing a script that if you needed to shoot five rounds, what would interrupt the cognition

or the script for you to be cognitive to go, wait, three rounds didn't put them down. The likelihood of you doing that is less likely the more efficient you are. So if you're the script writer who runs around in these gotlets and you do X, Y, Z, but somebody puts in and moves a target

five inches to the left and you fucking miss it, it tells me you're conscious to the script, but you're not conscious to reality. And the unfortunate thing about reality is reality maneuvers and space and time very fluidly. So it doesn't have a pattern of paper and steel arrayed in fucking micrometers. Right.

And so when you take the operator who's not as much technically script proficient, he is thinking through problem sets that are saving his life and people's lives around him and killing bad guys. That's how it works. I'm glad that those guys are out there, you know, at least they're probably. probably learning some safe weapons. Well, I'm sure they are. Safe weapons handling, manipulation. They're getting behind the gun. I love that. My only concern is confusing that type of stuff with reality. Yeah. And that's the, that to me, being in the tactical industry is the biggest problem that we have. Because when when somebody shows up, likely they showed up because they saw

me or even the script writer shoot fast. And they go, Mike, I want to shoot like a gunfighter. Well, the question should be, or the comment should be, Mike, I want to perform or Mike, I want to think like a gunfighter. Yeah. Right. And I tell people, especially in everyday carry and practical application, if you are drawing a pistol and shooting a bad guy in the face, you have fucked up 10 times, 10 times before that actual happened. Unless you got like ambushed in the parking. Yeah, there are the exceptions. B.J. Ball. I talk to BJ often. He's sponsored by Monster and Toyota Trucks. He's a big proponent of everyday carry. He's always into guns and everything else. Him and his girlfriend were shot at on CCTV camera. I remember this. Yeah. And he fucking, I mean, dude, he's he he he pinstriped that dude from chest to his face executing the right script, but using the right process and activating

the criteria for the script. And what I'm fearful of, is when you see a guy who, like at the last EDC carry pistol, of course I did in the sawmill in Saw Carolina, I said to one of the young men, I said, you're at a gas station, you got a pistol appendix carry.

You're carrying the pistol, and a guy comes up to you. And the guy coming up to you is antagonizing you, he's talking shit, and he shows you the backstrap of his Glock 19 in his waistband. What are you going to do? And his answer was,

I'm going to draw my gun. and then when I draw my gun on him, I'm going to stop and give him a chance. And then after I'm done giving him the chance, I might, depending on what he does, shoot him. And so I said, okay, that's good. Because the good in this is that we're talking about it. Because most people don't even,

they haven't asked themselves the question. And they definitely haven't been asked the question. So I said, that's good. Talk me through this process. You pull the gun and you hold the gun on the guy and he draws the pistol. Then what are you going to do? I'll shoot him.

Okay, so your criteria for killing somebody is when they go and physically move to the gun. That's actually good. Next question. You, what would you do? Well, if I saw the backstrap of the gun, I pull the gun and I shoot the dude in the face. Okay? Okay, that's an answer. That's a solution.

Let me walk you through that process. You just shot a dude in the face who showed you the backstrap of a gun. What your criteria was was seeing the gun. on camera, on a CCTV camera, if it recorded that, it would look like murder. It would look like you shot him in the face and you killed him. If he lived, what's his story going to be? Hey man, I went up and asked this guy for directions. He got hostile with me and I got scared and thought I was going to have to use my gun.

And I didn't do anything. And he drew the pistol when he shot me and he wounded me. He always took my life. Now I physically possess every item that he's ever owned in his life. Yeah. Now it's fucking, yeah. That's game over. Now it's civil court.

Yeah, it's civil. So now when I look at both those circumstances, the problem with how people market tactics is they make it look like it's a fucking game. The problem that we have identified in combat is it's not a game. It's a balance between life and death. Not in the game in the sense of it's comical

or it's fucking entertaining. The game in the sense of one person's going to win and one person's going to fucking lose. And if you hesitate in that action or don't understand the fucking process, you're potentially going to lose. So I said to the kid who drew the pistol and he held on the guy, you're not a police officer. By law, if you pulled the gun and you brandished a firearm, that would be a criminal act.

Same as the guy showing you the backstrap. Same as the guy. Yes, same as the guy showing the backstrap. And then if you decide to shoot that guy, you've already committed the violent act before that. And likely in a civil trial or in a criminal trial of you trying to defend your life, you more likely would probably get manslaughter. you more likely would because you look like the antagonist you pulled the gun

you're pointing a gun in a dude's face so most people would say well Mike what the fuck is the right answer well the right answer is there's a balance between living and operating in real world environments and understanding your fucking criteria to go right I have a criteria

like you have a criteria oh yeah we what's what's unique to the conversation is we know what the switch is because not only have we thought about it, but we executed it. So I know what my criteria is. So in that circumstance, if a guy is antagonizing me, I am trying to mitigate contact and risk. I'm putting the door

that's in front of me between us. I'm walking around to the front of my vehicle to look for cover and concealment. I'm staging my fingers or my hands near the bottom of my fucking flannel or plaid shirt because I'm ready to remove it to get access to my pistol. And I'm looking for behavior. because if his behavior is violent he's coming towards me he's antagonizing me and that's one thing that doesn't mean it's the criteria to shoot him in the fucking face which most kids who see

these gunfighter tacticians on Instagram would think I'll just fucking mow that dude down well you go to prison for the rest of your fucking life so easy to say and it's so not black and white like that it's easy to demonstrate on a paper fucking target or a rubber dummy even this retracted gun same same circumstance

but now I've been He goes for his gun. In the movement of his moving, my execution is executing the roll of decks that I have in the back of my head and picking out the script of an efficient draw from appendix carry and shooting him in the chest in the face until he goes down and he's no longer a threat. That's the technical script that I've written, but that's also tied to the cognition that I'm thinking through. So it's not like three rounds, checking out, gun down, looking down, looking down. down left, right, and rear. It's thinking and technically scripting the execution of it. If you go to any everyday carry-it-can-still carry course, you go to it yourself. The conversations that you have at a fucking dinner table could be more advantageous than that actual course. Literally. Nobody asks the fucking question.

Yeah. I mean, let's ask you just for fucking the entertainment, because you've been in these circumstances. What is the criteria for you to literally lift your shirt, pull the pistol out of your waistband and out of your holster, and present the gun and go to work? What is that? So for me, I'm not going to present unless I'm going to use it because I'm not going to brandish. So if I go, I'm going to go. And for me, the line in the sand is probably deeper or closer to me because I'm comfortable in my reaction. Like that same scenario you're talking about, I was already thinking through it in my head. you can always manage, you know, space and distance, usually.

And I'm looking at, I'm looking at posture. I'm looking, is this dude drunk? You know what I mean? Is he antagonistic drunk? Did he mean, you know what I mean? Did he mean to brandish? Yeah. I've seen people brandish accidentally, but guess what was right next to that fucking

pistol grip was a badge. Yeah. You know what I mean? It doesn't necessarily, there's a lot of shit you got to take into play. Time of day. Another thing I'd be looking at is, hey, is there another motherfucker with this dude? Am I getting maneuvered on? Well, this guy's looking at me?

I would do exactly the same thing. And I would be comfortable in my reaction that my line in the sand is an aggressive movement with the intent for that individual to do harm or to take my life. And once that is met, I'm going to go. And I'm going to go until the threat is no longer a threat. The greatest thing you said in that is in assessing the environmental factors, we'll call this just the behavioral factors, you are determining what your actions are going to be based on their actions. Yeah. And people forget that because a deliberate hit looks very different than a drunk

bum looking for money. It's, well, a deliberate hit is not going to look like that at all. Yeah. Tactically, behaviorally, there's, there's all these signs and indications. And my favorite thing you said also is too is creating, like you have the ability in your own shoes and your own feet to create distance in space. Yep. Just back to the point of what you said about the protesters with a gun and and body armor. You are disadvantagely mismanaging the tactic because you are not allowing yourself to break contact and you are creating the circumstance to only meet those confrontations head on. And that's a bad tactic. That's like walking out in the middle of the street and Baghdad and getting out of your up armored vehicle, walking down the middle of the road,

kicking cans that are filled with the hiatus and saying, fuck it, I'm taking the chances here. Like that don't do that. Don't be that fucking guy. Yeah. Those situations are hard to, they're not hard to talk through. Take that back. It's the exact opposite. I think for you and I, they're very easy to talk our way through.

Like we could go situation after situation. And the problem I think is that people think they're far easier to deal with than they are in reality. The decision to take another person's life should not be something that you are braggadocious about or shouldn't be driven in bravado or I mean, fuck. We probably both know people that want that snare. to play itself out in the gas station, and I don't want to. Yeah. You know?

Yeah. I'd rather give some fuck wit a pass and give him another day and look on camera like, oh, well, you were just a pussy. I'm like, no, I just basically walked away. Yeah. I managed my distance and walked away

and we both lived and there was no police report and none of this shit. Like, I'd rather do that than be wrong. Why is, I've noticed that in myself as I've gotten older. Yeah. But also, like if I was a team guy, and like when I was in active duty,

dude, I was looking for fights. everywhere. For sure. And I was, I remember being at gas stations, going to the shitty gas stations, because I'm like, I wish a motherfucker would. You know, like, I'm like it. Yes. I think it's, uh, I, in my experience, it's been the more exposure to violence the least likely you are to actually seek it out. Yes. And also when it comes to fighting, I think, if you think you're going to be a badass in a fight, what I recommend people do is go do two months of jiu-jitsu and you'll realize you actually don't want to put hands on people because these nerd assassin motherfuckers, who wear Harry Potter spectacles and fucking crunch numbers all day long will bow tie your shit.

And you realize it's just not worth it because you never, you and I are very, I mean, nobody knows who I am in this town, which is awesome. I don't have fucking a punisher skull on the back of my truck with a veteran license plate and a fucking purple heart. And I have two of those three. Don't tread on me. Of course. Well, I'm just describing your vehicle as I saw it earlier today.

I don't have any of that shit. I don't wear military shirts. I don't wear camo out in town. Spoiler alert. Gay. Yeah, it is. Yeah. And I don't mean gay as in happy.

I mean gay is in sucking another man's dick, which I don't know if I can say that on a podcast. That's a good one. I thought you were the opposite there. I like that. I like your truth. No, one dude and another dude. And it's nothing wrong with that. I'm just saying it's gay.

I don't wear camo out in town. I don't wear like veteran t-shirts. I don't have a hat that says Operation Enduring Freedom Veteran. You should. That would be badass. God, I run away. from those people. I just want to be left alone. I don't want to be involved in violence because I've seen it. I've been on the receiving end. I've been on the action end of it. And it all hurts

it does to a degree in the short term or the long term. I don't want any part of it, man. I just want to be left to fuck alone. I think I have a lot of empathy for people now more as well. Like when I see these, even these dumb ass Antifa dudes, I'm like, dude, you guys need a fucking job. How about this one? Is silence violence, Mike? Oh my fucking God. Serptitious silence Holy fuck is that a thing now No they will scream people down Your silence is violence

And again I was talking with Bishop We need a different bumper sticker That says violence is violence And silence is silence That's true It's fucking ridiculous It's the redefining of words Like words used to mean something

And now it's like you could create any accumulation of fucking words And change the world Because it's just defined by You in the fucking cronies that work or live with you or buy into your bullshit. Just as somebody who's been around what's called an average amount of violence in their life, it doesn't feel to me like silence.

Yeah. Not at all. Not even close. Yeah, but one's an incredible talking point that they'll sit there and like, you know, yell at you and it's just like, again, context. Let's get some more context. Let's get some more laps around the sun.

Let's get some more experience outside of an insulated bubble where you're surrounded by opportunity, which maybe that makes people too soft. I think that's a part of it I don't like when I see all those circumstances unfolding where people are getting bullied like the you see the one where they're in the restaurant there's one in the subway where they're telling them to raise their fist and they won't raise their fist

Yeah they're pinning them I just can't fathom one of us being in that circumstance right I can't fathom doing that to another human being I can't even To me that seems like if I was to try to think of a way An effective way to make sure That nobody would ever even truly consider my idea or philosophy. That is how I would make sure that it's never even considered.

Yeah. That'd be like the number, okay, what's the least effective way I can behave to spread my message? It would look exactly like that. Yeah, I want people to, see, I want people to hate me, and I also want people to realize that I'm tyrannical. I'm the dictator or oppressive dictator, and it fits, like when I see that, when they talk about fascism and Nazi Germany, I I see that and I go, that's fucking the Waffen SS. Yeah. I mean, they're fucking bully tactics or like the girl following some of the couples out of the GOP convention and they're walking with the cell phones and she's like,

I'm going to kill your wife. How do you feel about that? I'm going to fucking kill your wife as they're walking. I can't imagine walking with my spouse and somebody saying, I'm going to kill your fucking loved one. That's not going to go well. Dude, that would not. Oh, that would not go.

But the problem, here's all that said, the problem that I see that actually, like, that is stupid, right? I look at that shit, I go, that's comical. That's just dumb shit. But the problem that I see is when you have people who are politicians in positions of literal power, like meaning the district attorneys that are changing use of force policies across our nation, that's fucking scary. Because if I defend my life in that circumstance, if you have somebody anywhere on any given day,

if they come up to you and put their finger in your face and they say, I'm going to fucking kill you, that's a crime. You can't, one, you can't tell somebody you're going to fucking kill them because you can't verbalize, it's assault. Yeah. You can't say that. That would be like saying, I have a gun. Well, you just told everybody you had a gun.

Call in 911, you're probably going to get rolled the fuck up. You can't say a bomb on an airplane, Bob. Bob, bomb up to the ear. You can't fucking say that. So that, with that being said, if it's not enforced and there's no ramifications and there's only pandering and facilitation, then what does that look like for us on the other end that are just law abiding? Because if I'm in that circumstance, I'm grabbing that woman by her fucking face. You almost used a different word. I know my, I was so fucking voice. You almost used a different word.

I think it started with a B. No, no, no, no, something else. I started with a C. No, that's a powerful one. I would take that fucking chick, that chick. It was chick with sort of a C. It was, I would take that fucking chick and I would smash her fucking, I would grab her by her face. and I would shove her off the fucking sidewalk that I was on and project violence. So everybody around who thought that they were going to violently do anything, now it's like, you know,

dogs smelling each other's asses. I would let everybody know that I'm the fucking alpha in that circumstance and then I would posture myself to be able to defend my life. Because the chance of that going bad are high. Because now it's, what it's turning into is I'm going to push you

because you got an AR-15. Then I'm going to push you to the fucking ground. They don't want to take a skateboard and hit you in the fucking head. Then I'm going to take a fucking pistol and pretend like we're cool and then try to shoot you in the face. And Kyle Rittenhouse experienced all fucking four of those.

Yeah. And all those are compounded when you are the minority, meaning numbers-wise, and a vastly superior mob mentality. Oh, fuck, man. Dude, those mobs, that Kyle Rittenhouse shit bums me to fuck out because he's a kid.

He's a kid. The same way. I'm like, fuck, dude. If that was my son, that would bum me the fuck out because now like the likelihood of going to prison for murder is unlikely

but the likelihood of him going I don't think there was premeditation so they're going to have a tough one with that but manslaughter is possible reckless homicide it could be a charge I think that's a minimum of five years in prison that dude for a 17 year old kid

who thought he was doing the right thing which you can't argue that the Antifa people think they're doing the fucking right thing throwing bricks at people's faces hitting people in the head with skateboards that's never the right thing. But defending, standing there with an AR-15,

defending a business as all accounts line out in videos that he was doing it for the right reasons. Even the day before, he was scrubbing graffiti off the fucking wall. I mean, it's unfortunate that that whole fucking thing took place. It's unfortunate that those guys lost their lives over something so fucking dumb. I agree. And I actually think that his mom,

if she took him there, knowing what he was up to, should share in that prison sentence. I think so too. I think unfortunately I do. Because she's a fucking adult. Yeah. He's a minor. He's a fucking child.

Yeah. I mean, I was in the Army when I was 17, but nobody gave a fuck. I was too, but, you know, because that argument will come up. But we were also trained and supervised. And we were never at a point where we were running around by ourselves. Yeah. With the barracks. But even you were part of a unit working together as a team.

It was a very different environment. When you know, yes, people who were 18 or 17 and a half, whatever it may be, can join the military and get that training. But they're not like sent up. off into the woods by themselves. Yeah, it's true. You know, it's a completely controlled environment. And what you have almost at all times, especially if you're that young, is very senior people with severe oversight

over you. Because guess what? That shit's dangerous. Yeah. Fuck. If there was a recall right now, would you go? Yes. Well, no hesitation. Would you go back as an 03? It would depend on the job they were offering me. If there was a shooter or flying a desk, I'd be like, here's my commission.

You can take that commission Yeah, I mean, I don't think I'll ever lose The willingness to do that I think I'm timed out, you know, currency-wise and tact- I mean, the gear has moved on and I'm sure the tactics Are relatively the same, but I mean, how, how fuck, how could I not? Yeah. How could I pass, if they came to me and said, hey, we need you to come,

Who the fuck would I be if I said, no, go find somebody else? Yeah. I have to. I believe that you have to be, and a value add, a responsible, accountable member of society. And I'd already dedicated my life to that earlier on. And the philosophies that I had when I went in, they've only been strengthened.

The love that I have for this country, regardless if I believe in somebody's opinion or not, I'll still listen to them. Like, it's only been strengthened. What's your, what's that purpose or what's that service now? What are you doing? I think we're doing it right now. I think, well, I don't know.

I don't. We talked about mushrooms, weed. Well, I think it's the fact that we can sit down and have a longer conversation from an interesting experience that a lot of people don't have. And I say that I think it's meaningful because I get hundreds of messages from people saying, hey, this was meaningful to me. I mean, from a tactical perspective, you and I, everybody has an expiration date. You'll time out. But the ability to pass on that knowledge to talk about things like leadership and integrity and accountability and responsibility and how to apply those things, the what ifs, the scenarios that we're talking about, I think it has incredible value. I think we're doing that now. That affects thousands of people.

I think it does. Yeah, it does. Probably less so you and I because we're talking about things. We came up, though, in such a bizarre and unique path. I mean, if you really think about it from just a math perspective, our optic in our context is very, it's skewed. And that's like, I was thinking about fuck, Tim, you're right. Like I don't think about the bias I have or the inherent distrust. But it comes from engagements with human beings that just, you know, seeing the worst sides of humanity.

There's no way I can turn that off. And I do view everybody that way. But don't worry. I view everybody that way. Equally across the board, man or woman, I inherently hate you until you prove otherwise. Yeah, the same way, man. What do you find it? What do you find it passionate now?

Is it jiu-jitsu? It seems like you picked up the ghee and you're back into it. Well, I love jih Tzu for a couple aspects. One, it's a never-ending learning process, right? So how can you not, for me, I love those things. How can you not fall in love with something where the end state moves along with you? Like, you'll never master it. So I love that.

But also, there is a crazy element of psychological and physiological readiness in there as well. Having, I mean, it's not, jiu-jitsu, I say this as a concept. It's not hard, but being very good at it or proficient in it is very hard. It's weight and leverage and angles. And that's really easy to say those three things and you're going to get smashed for years on the mat because you have to learn those things incrementally. The concepts of shooting, not that hard, right?

Stance, how do you hold a gun, side alignment, manage and control your trigger? Easy to say. We could go out to a range right now and people would be shooting into the ground in front of them. It would be like, you know, a shotgun pattern because it's easy to say it's hard to do. But I love Jiu-Jitsu because it keeps my mind sharp.

And I do view it from the perspective of self-defense. And you need to hear this people, not self-offence. I don't want to get in a fight. Yeah. I don't fucking want to get in a fight. Yeah. But if you force me to that place, I'm going to be as capable and competent as humanly possible. And if you force me into that place where there's weapons involved, you need to stand the fuck by because I'm still training on those things as well.

So I think the most rewarding thing that I do at this point, one would be going and talking to organizations and people about leadership. But that's off the table right now. So that would be probably the thing I'm the most passionate about. but I think we're touching more people now. Yeah. Doing this. Yeah, it seems like it always has seemed that way in the last few years since I started my podcast that it's becoming a thing, right?

Yeah. Podcasting, you know, long-form versions of it are, you know, you're that quiet, you're that third person in the room. Yeah. I would digest all that information. Are you ghee or no ghee? I do both. You do both.

Okay. Most of the class, well, the classes that we take are wearing a ghee, but definitely an open mat. I'll pop the geetop on and off. And I think a lot, I was actually with a conversation with Rogan about this because I was asking him, he came up. I know he got his black belt from one of the machadas. And I, it might have been John Jacques, but he got also a black belt from Eddie Bravo, which is specifically no ghee. And I think he did more of that than ghee rolling. So I asked him how he approaches rolling with a ghee.

and the thing with a ghee, like there's door handles. You're just like, which is not there, except for in Montana, like your flannel would, it's pretty much a geat. I could choke you to death with a geet or any.

Great ghee. Yeah, it is. Even t-shirts. Unless the seams don't rip, you can get choked to death with a goddamn beefy T. Haynes. But in Montana sweatshirts, jackets, it's pretty common.

But talking to Joe, he's like, when I roll with the ghee, I just don't take those grips. So that way what he is doing is not reliant upon clothing. And I like that, right? He's adaptable. Why rely on a single point of failure?

I mean, that's like a day one shit for us. I don't want to have a tactic that only works. It's like, hey, here's a great tactic. Asterix if they're wearing a jacket. What about it? That's just the benefit. Yeah. What if we're at the beach?

You know, like we've got no jacket, no shirts and we're wearing shorts. It has to work there. So I always approach jiu-jitsu from a perspective of being able to handle myself. And the thing is, like, the more I learn about it, the least the less likely I am. I don't want to go and do that shit in a bar. I don't want to hurt anybody. Because you learn about it, you're like, okay, it's, it's kind of not even fair. Yeah.

When you encounter somebody who doesn't know anything, but they think they're a badass, it's so easy. It is easy. And you know what, though? The easier thing, just fucking walk away. Yeah. Buy him a beer and walk away. Yeah. Are you, is your body holding up?

Yeah, very well, actually. Really? Yeah. So I, but I'm in fucking indestructible. There's never been somebody built like me. Yeah, that's true. Gangly and tall. Blanky?

Yeah. No, it's, I got my, I got Miles on the old, meat vehicle that I walk around. Your back's good? Yeah. Knees? Backs, knees. I jacked up my elbow a couple weeks ago, which was my fault.

And what I do is I listen to my body, though. I'm not 20 anymore. I turn 43 next month, and I don't need to remind myself of that because I wake up every morning and I feel that. Yeah, I feel it too, man. So I take it easy, and I was really lucky to find a school where the mat culture is awesome. It's not a bunch of 20-year-old dudes tatted up. And there's nothing wrong with that.

I'm just saying to people who, if you go to look for a jiu-jitsu school and it's all beefed-out dudes in their early 20s smashing each other. And you're a little bit later on in your revolutions around the sun, just realize they're going to treat you like a piranha tank. So find a place that has a more balanced mat. The culture is, it's awesome. You have death matches for sure. But for the most, it's very chill. And, you know, I mean, I will escalate if people escalate, but I just try to start it. very chill level. Yeah, my neck, I got a compressed disc in C3 and four. Yeah. And at the base of my

spawn. And so, like last time I was rolling, I was rolling with Chad Robichon. Chad's a, he's a former champion fighter. He's also a, I can't remember what degree black belt in Brazilian jiu-jitsu. He's a gracey guy. And he dropped me, like, Powell drove me on my fucking neck. And instantly I felt that nerve kink out and just blow my neck out. And I was fucking just, I was like, man, am I ever going to get back? And I wondered if it was a conditioning thing besides him planning 240 pounds of my ass on my neck. Which he shouldn't have done by the way. Yeah. Yeah. And he, the way he, the way he, the way he, the way he, the way he, the way, it just set me up for that way. Yeah. And the last, I mean, I blew my hamstring off of my fucking bone and jujitsu and a bad

fucking, uh, training up for the modern army's combatives shit. Yeah. And, um, I just, I feel like that probably didn't hurt at all, I feel like, dude. That was the, that's the most painful injury ever had. It's the cramp that never went away. Oh. It's like, oh, shit, I got a cramp. And you're like, I'm like, oh, God. And then that feeling of, oh, fuck, never went away.

And I was like, oh, what the fuck's going on? And then just in constant pain and then surgery, more pain. And then it fucking finally went away. Yeah. No, I try to remember how old I am. Yeah. I want to have as many usable years as possible. But I think pursuits like that will actually extend.

end usable years? I want to get back in it, man. Yeah. I see you doing this. I see you guys are motivating me because I see Rogan's old ass, you doing it. Rogan's old as fuck. I know.

74, I think he just turned. I can't believe. I'm surprised he moved to Austin. I don't know much about Austin. I'm not surprised he moved to Texas. I don't know much about the individual cities. I don't like Austin's not. I like Austin's got good beer, good chow.

But Austin is like California. Maybe that's the reason why. It's like California. Maybe, yeah. But it's just fucking. I don't know, man. Texas, I'm not a fucking, it's too fucking hot there. In the summer months, you will die.

Dude, I was in Dallas, Fort Worth, and it was 106 degrees on the range. We had people passing out in the fucking class. I was like, this is not good. That's kind of awesome, though. My insurance is going to fucking shit can me. I can't fucking do it. Fuck. What do you want to end with, dude? Yeah, we've been at it

for three and a half hours again. Really? Yeah. That's solid. I always know a good podcast when I don't feel like it's Not at all. I just, I'm measuring the time by my bladder. Yeah, you about ready to have to pee? Oh, yeah. I'm gonna pee in a bottle underneath the table.

Sweet, me too. I did that twice already. What should we close with? We covered quite the spectrum. Fuck, there was a lot of shit in that one. How about this? Be a fucking responsible American. Be kind to your neighbor,

regardless of the beliefs that they may have because we're still all in this together. That's a good way to end it. I share that sentiment because I think we're all worked up because of COVID. And we are over emotional and dramatic. about fucking everything.

That's the culture we currently live in where everybody's fucking sensitive because this politically divisive culture. Outside of politics, outside of what team you're on, what football team you like, the BLM movement, we're just fucking Americans

trying to get through the fucking day. You had mentioned it and I reposted your post on social media on September 11th. That upset a few people, but also set the internet ablaze. It did. I thought it was a good.

great post. That's why I shared it exactly verbatim. I don't even add words to that because it shares everything that I was going to say as well. And the feeling we had September 12th, that world, I missed that world. Same. I miss that nation. And we can get back to that nation. We just need to fucking remember at the end of the day, like there's people dying in wildfires. People, Americans dying in fires in this country should not be happening. People, people, getting hit in the head with skateboards and fucking any place in this country should not be happening. And I think we just need to

fucking chill, take a chill pill. Watch Yellowstone on Netflix. That will at least give you three days of sitting on your ass. We need that, man. Hell yeah. Thanks, brother. Thanks for having me on.