Cleared Hot - Powered By BRCC - Episode 244 - Mike Glover

Episode Date: August 1, 2022

Mike spent 18 years in the US Army and as a government contractor for OGA (Other Government Agency).  He served as a SGM (Sergeant Major) in Special Forces in various positions and deployed multiple times to combat theaters.    Mike is an expert in Counter-Terrorism, security, and crisis management operations and is the host of the Fieldcraft Survival Podcast on iTunes and Soundcloud.  Mike is an avid outdoorsman, overland, traveler, and hunter. He has a bachelor's degree in Homeland Security and resides in Utah, where he is the CEO of Fieldcraft Survival.   Link to our upcoming leadership event in Dallas:   https://fieldcraftsurvival.com/leadership-entrepreneurship-workshop-with-mike-glover-andy-stumpf-6-august-2022-greater-dallas-area/

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So we're all in. And I think you should be all in as well. I love the brand. Love the people behind it. And that is all on the business side of the house. My guest today, one of my absolute favorite guests in people on the face of planet. Mike Glover. If you've listened to the podcast, you've probably heard an episode between he and I.

he did some time in the army did some things uh and then did some time for some alphabet soup agencies did some things got out founded fieldcraft survival actually i think he did that while he was still contracting regardless um quite the entrepreneur among many other things he teaches shooting instruction himself pistol rifle uh he's got his fingers in a lot of things and i love doing stuff with him so episode 244 with Mike Glover. Enjoy. So before we started, you claim that this might be the best episode that we ever do.

So I don't know what you want to talk about. I thought, though, we could open up with just like a smooth, easy, soft topic to just roll people in to Texas shooting. Oh, God. That's how it's going to be the most popular because it's most controversial, I guess, in my world recently. What's controversial about that? I came out in... I saw the video. Yeah, immediately came out with no hesitation.

This is how it actually went down. John, who's in the room, my head of media for Phil Crafts. He's your quant. You're my quant, he's your quant. What's that word? Quantitative. You guys do my math. What did you call me?

Quantitative. Your quant. Square root of 457,000 is? 1733. Yeah, there you go. That's why you're my mind. quant um i i got i saw that video and i saw it trickling but it didn't get released yet and i called john i said bro come you're talking about the security camera the security camera footage down the long

hallway yeah because there were there were like snippets coming up but the actual video dropped and i'm like john get your stuff ready tomorrow morning we're coming in we're talking about it and i didn't know the right tactics and doing this because i'd never done it on this scale was something so significant so john recommending like hey we need to do it minute by a minute and technically second by second. And that sucked. Because, in fact, we intentionally cut the audio first because when the gunman goes into the school at 1133, when he makes entry, after he shoots at a couple of funeral directors or people who worked at the funeral home. Was that adjacent to the school?

It was adjacent. Yeah. So it wasn't across the, people think it's across the highway. It was actually adjacent to it. So you just go across the drive and then along. and you're on your in school grounds or in the school actually because the lawn is the school grounds um the audio was one of the main reasons the family didn't want it released the family part of the family didn't want it released so the district attorney of you audio was like we're not releasing it and then

there was a controversy around that because we're like a lot of people were like well what happened we need to know and whether that's curiosity or people generally wanted to know what happened And hearing those gunshots, especially in the initial onslaught of him entering room 111, which was the joined 112, was very difficult to listen to because every one of those shots was a child dying. And having now been told very intimate details of what took place in that classroom, which I won't repeat, it was disgusting. What was the cadence between the shots? It was, he was breaking shots and rapid fire, which, which, which,

It sounded to me like he initially was suppressing and just creating as much casualty as possible. And then it got more calculated. A little bit more time in between. A little bit time in between. So he was he was executing people. He was executing people. And then. And by people, we should clarify kids.

Children, 19 children and two adults. So he backed out actually at one time and went back in. And I don't know what the reason for that, but maybe it was one of the teachers was trying to fight him and pushed him back out. because he backed out into the hallway and then made entry again, which also is an indication if you understand law enforcement or military tactics

of it not being a locked breach, a locked door. And there was controversy around that. So we went minute by minute and everything on the video that I did on my YouTube, my company's YouTube, Philcraft Survival,

was filmed, no edits, no cuts, raw emotion. I got angry. I got frustrated. I almost wanted. wanted to cry and then um and we rolled an hour and i believe was 40 minutes worth of content out of that um i couldn't sleep for a week after that i still think about it and it bothers me but for the 72 hours post analyzing such cowardness and fuck up i couldn't sleep and it was bad

what's the response you've gotten from law enforcement um mixed i mean mixed totally mixed i mean that That video now has over a million views. We're over a million, John, right? 1.2 million. John, hit me that water bottle. 1.2 mil. It's so nice having your quant in the room. Quant, John.

How many ounces are in that bottle, John? 60. Good. Right. Philcraft's survival water so delicious. We're supposed to alternate, though. We both just chugged water at the same time. My editors can be like, ah!

Oh, no. He should split screen. You have an editor now? Michael is his name. He's actually going to start joining us in the room shortly for episodes. Oh, he's like a Jamie. He's like a Jamie, but his name is Michael. But are you going to have the screen up and to be able to look up stuff?

I think he can look it up at his desk. Maybe, so I'm going to move the desk out. Yeah. To basically kind of the edge of where John is sitting so he can sit facing this way. It wouldn't actually be that hard to put another screen facing us so we could mirror the screen. Yeah, because, like, for example, the Evaldi thing would, it would help greatly because I received. a lot of criticism from law enforcement officers, but here's how I'll look at it. Well, before you get into how you look at it, what was there a criticism based in?

Most of it was Mike doesn't know what he's talking about because they don't know the context of my relationship with law enforcement. And they think that what I'm saying either isn't feasible because of the tactics, because of the lack of training. There's some excuse for the officers that were involved. some of them justified, but mostly excuses. And so a lot of it's just anger because they think I'm potentially creating a climate of anti-police. And with anybody who knows the intimate workings of the company, but me personally, especially,

who raises money for police officers without advertising it because I don't need to advertise that I help out police officers, who has taken a vested interest in improving their training by training them for free. Most often, again, not advertised. Even talking to you years ago about getting them training in Jiu-Jitsu and sponsoring and backing that because it's very important. So it's a mix of emotions. It's an interesting situation. I didn't look through the video minute by minute because I went through your video and was listening to the feedback that you had. And I landed in the same place that you landed, especially with the frustration.

Yeah. It's tough because we view it from a similar tactical lens, meaning our operational background, but also not the same. I can't imagine standing in a hallway of any kind on any type of objective for over an hour, let alone over a few minutes. You know, it's just, it's not what we were trained to do, but then looking through it through that lens as well of being a father, of knowing the layout of my kid's schools and ever being faced with that type of situation,

law enforcement or not, it's tough to figure out or to try to justify the lack of action. And I actually think it's okay, and I actually think it's essential that law enforcement is very critical of themselves in situations like this because they're not condemning the force, and they're not even, I would say, necessarily condemning the, those particular officers. I mean, those guys are going to have some fucking demons to live with for the rest of their life. But you hear people say all the time,

you know, nobody hates bad cops more than good cops. It's time for the good cops to step up and say, hey, like, that was actually a tactical failure. Yeah, a lot of them aren't doing that.

A lot of them. And that's tough. And, but let's look at the communities that we came from. How many times have you ever seen the SEAL community step up and go? What was written in that? book was incorrect. Yeah. Or what happened on that target was unbelievable. We can't allow it to happen again. The answer to that is zero publicly. So they're not alone in that. And I think I

understand why, because they worry that by doing so, it will tarnish the organization permanently somehow, reputation-wise, where I actually think it lands where it restores even more integrity and they can finish off as a community. Is it Ulveid or Uvati? Ovali-Ovati? Or Ovali. Or Ovali. Or Ovali. Ovali. Yeah. Not only can that organization, they're going to have a fucking long road to hoe, like bottom line.

They're going to have to own, I believe, their behavior. But law enforcement as a whole, by being open and transparent and having that integrity, it can really, I think, take steps in the right direction. Easy to say, very fucking hard to do. Yeah, I think that's the biggest problem I'm having here is, look, this is a small community. and when you look at small communities, policing small communities, police officers know everybody, and everybody knows who they are. And there's intimate relationships.

There's a lot of people that are growing up in the same places they're policing. And a lot of times because of the low income, these officers are, I mean, this is, I think the average income there was $26,000 median income. A lot of those officers are living in the same places they police. when you lose public trust like that, that is a very scary thing for personal protection and confidence in law enforcement across the board, not just in active shootings that failed, but just in basic task. And so I, you know, this anti-police rhetoric that people are talking about with me is false.

It's a false narrative. But here's what I say in being. very vocal about this. I do think that there are officers there that were trying to make the right decisions. But ultimately, I think the fall of this falls on the leadership of the chief Arundado, who was without his radio because he claims that if he had his radio, he'd be compromised in the hallway. So he didn't want to talk on the radio, even though he was in a position far away. from the actual site

at times. What do you mean he would have been compromised? That he would have been talking in the hallway the shooter could have pinpointed where he was located and potentially harmed him. So imagine we're on an objective

and a ground force commander because we do ground force which is in charge of multiple organizations potentially, multiple maneuvering organizations potentially on an objective. Then you have the assault force commander He was the ground force commander and his lieutenant was the assault force commander.

There was a failure of leadership across the board. And what happened was after the three officers made the initial entry, 11 officers were in the hallways right out the gate, really fast. Within minutes of him entering, they were right behind him. Was he still shooting at that point? He was. Okay. So the indication is when they enter,

audibly as they are approaching, but as they were entering, they were hearing gunshots. Not only that, but dispatch was also reporting through 911 calls that there was an active shooter in the school. So they get inside the hallway. There is, and you can see it on this video that I reviewed, there's a guy, he's a police officer. I don't know who he is. He's wearing body armor that it looks like he just threw on. So this guy is, I believe he's playing close. Right, John? He's playing close, the first guy. So this dude's pulling. plain close, he's got a pistol. His body armor isn't wrapped on his left side because he didn't have time. That's what it appears to be. And he is pushing to get into that room. He runs down the hallway

with a pistol by himself, his number two and number three man who have carbines don't follow. And he is pushing the momentum because we know momentum, driving momentum, especially against a crisis site or an active shooter, a bad guy with a gun or a crisis site where it's unknown what's happening, but you know it's a bad thing that's happening. He's pushing the momentum in that direction. He's doing all the right things. What happens is he doesn't get back up, and as soon as he goes to breach that door,

and the door has a window that's a slot in the middle of the window, or in the middle of the door, very narrow, like most schools do. Yeah. Right? He takes incoming fire from the bad guy, actually takes shrapnel, that hits him in the head.

He runs. back down the hallway, runs around the corner, finds cover and concealment, checks his head, and immediately gets back in the fight. Again, by himself. So this guy who Yvalde had just done active shooter training. They knew the protocol according to Alert, which is A-L-E-R-R-T, which is basically the protocol using FBI as the standard for active shooting. They knew the protocol. This dude was pushing the momentum and wanted to put down the shooter, which is the number one thing you do. The number one priority in an active shooter is saving and preserving innocent life. And then second to that, it's the law enforcement officer's lives. Like they are second

to innocent life, right? So you're sacrificing yourself for innocent life. He again goes to push momentum, doesn't have any backing. The guys don't even walk back down the hallway with him. He goes by himself. He starts pying off angles going to the right side of the hallway, to the left side, and doesn't get back up, then they pull back. At that time, the call, according to the reports, was made that they were contained and they were holding their position because now they have a barricaded shooter.

And for people who say, I don't know law enforcement, because I don't know what I'm talking about, I've trained law enforcement for 20 years. The first time I ever trained law enforcement was early on when I was an infantryman and the third infantry regiment. After that experience,

because I did SART training with military police officers and law enforcement in Virginia for crisis response and active shootings that took place in the military district of Washington because that's one of the charters for third M2 Regiment. After that in my special forces career, I trained law enforcement like many special operations guys throughout my career intermittently. And then when I was a team sergeant in 10 Special Forces Group in 2010, I trained law enforcement officers full time. like full-time officers and full-time experiences. Like we train SWAT teams, we train patrol officers.

And in my job as a contractor for OGA, I got Fletsey qualified. So I'm a federal law enforcement instructor. I have a, my undergraduate degree, my second degree, because I have two degrees, is criminal justice. My second degree after that is Homeland Security and Crisis Management. My entire career has revolved around this. type of thing. And I've probably hosted and trained active shooter 50 times in this country. I have actually created a new SOP that I recommend because I used to run the counterterrorism program for post-certified training in the state of California, which I'm post-certified in the state of

California. I train New Jersey SWAT team. I train Dallas, Midland, Texas, all over the nation. So this idea that I don't know what I'm talking about, I grew up in a law enforcement family. The idea that I don't know what I'm talking about is not true. I probably have more credentials and qualifications than most, which is why I'm in a position to tell officers when they're wrong and not afraid to do it. As soon as I did that video, by the way, I will say it on this podcast. I didn't publicly say it before. The Bortak supervisor contacted me the following day.

And he said, Mike, I want to talk to you. And I was like, all right, let's talk. and I for one thought out the gate this guy was going to criticize me. In fact, I had told John, we're going to get criticized. I'm probably going to get smashed. I will tell you, besides the comments, which are a few, I have gotten overwhelming support that everything I said, according to federal law enforcement officers, supervisors,

and the Bortak supervisor was true. But wait, there's more. Because when I criticized Bortak on that video, criticism was at 1215, they had Bortak agents show up, right? The initiation of this was 1133 when he came into the building. 1215, a Bortak officer show up and finally somebody's like, who's in charge? Let me remind people at home, Bortak are border patrol agents that work for the federal government. They are not an active shooter response team that flexed to schools to take out bad guys. In fact, that, um,

instance in Bortak doing that is unprecedented. Did they just happen to be in the area? They just happen to be in the area. And in fact, some of the officers, because remember, this is a small border town town where most of the people that are in that town work for the government. They're federal law enforcement, their border patrol, their police officers. So a lot of people were affected by this. The first agents that arrived, their children were either in the school or they knew somebody

whose children were in the school. and when they showed up in onesies and twosies with U.S. Marshals, there were 276 officers on that site prior to the breach going off. 276 officers. At 1215, they go in, Bortak shows up. They don't hit the breach point until 1250. So 35 minutes later. And my criticism of Bortak was, why would you wait that long to do a deliberate assault, which is what you did, when there were three instances after the initial murdering of the children,

where there was one shot, four shots, and another additional shot that was taken within AR-15, which for me and you, understanding how these type of things work, is the go criteria for a hasty assault. I mean, it's a deliberate pre-plan assault, but it's a hasty assault, meaning you do it now. It doesn't matter, we're going in to save people.

Bortak, according to the supervisor, which people are like, well, you believe Bortak, you believe anybody. I'm like, Bortak had no skin in this game. It wasn't their responsibility. They showed up because they wanted to help. And when they showed up at 1250, when they hit the door, I thought that odd. I was like, why would they?

Their protocols in Bortak training as operators are to conduct hasty assaults. And especially if there's a criteria of innocent people dying. The supervisor told me, one, a whole slew of dudes didn't go in the room in that deliberate assault. Only three operators actually entered the room and took out the back. guy who had barricaded himself in the closet. And it's likely that guy barricaded in the closet in the early stages right after the shooting where he barricaded in the closet and waited to ambush the cops. When they came inside, they were in shock because they didn't realize there was one child or one adult that was in that room. Because the last call they got from the chief that they

got from dispatch was there was an active shooter by himself barricaded in that classroom. And Not only did this Bortak supervisor state that, but he stated that the three officers who entered just testified to the same. Nobody knew. And people are like, well, you believe that? I do believe it. Because if you're an operator in Bortak, I competed in the US Army Special Operations sniper competition years ago with Bortak agents. They're the most capable, most highly trained individuals because our community actually stood them up, trained them and initiated their assessment, their election process and their training process. And I know they're capable. Those dudes, if they knew they were children in there, they would not have stood idle. When they went to go into the room, they got in a gunfight. The fourth guy in the stack did not make entry. In fact, the guy you see with the ball cap that takes one in the head, he actually got

shot through the drywall and he never entered the room. Obviously, they entered the room after the guy was killed. But they had one new operator on a shield with a Glock pistol. They had two operators with carbines that killed the bad guy in that room. room and they did it because they thought they were going against a barricaded shooter and had no idea that it was a mass casualty. And I believe them. I believe that's what actually happened.

There's a whole bunch of nuance to it. But ultimately, here's just my sum up. Police officers on that site on that scene, including the chief and the lieutenant and officers, individual officers, collectively made a lot of mistakes, but should be held accountable for those mistakes. Now, dereliction of duty according to UCMJ, the Uniform Code of Military Justice, if it leads to death or bodily injury, could put you two years in prison for dereliction of duty, meaning I'm not going to do that, right? I'm not going to assault that bunker and somebody gets killed. You're going to prison. I'm not saying that they need to be held to the UCMJ because

according to a lot of experts and legal that have contacted me, they don't have a legal obligation to defend and protect life. One, that's a problem. In the state of Texas, because my former commander from social operations and 19th group, Tim Oshner,

is a commander at DPS. And according to him and his community, which DPS are great human beings, they're the first ones that criticized the Evaldi Police Department on day two. They were like, something was egregiously wrong here,

and one of the chiefs or one of the directors criticized them, rightfully so. there should be not only civil but criminal liability here. I don't know what that is because I'm not a legal expert, but the fact that we're just going to write this off as a mistake, if me and you are an objective overseas and the same thing happened in this kind of format,

we're done, we would be fried. We'd be in Leavenworth. Me and you would be in Leavenworth. The commander would be relieved of command and likely kicked out of the military and potentially sit to Leavenworth. And that's how we operate. So why are we holding our military children to a standard, but we're not holding police officers who serve and protect and take a sworn oath?

It's, it boggles my mind. Yeah, it's certainly a fucking horrendous situation, right? I mean, even to begin with, it certainly doesn't seem to be simple. You know, you see a lot of people online, you know, saying things like, oh, everybody wants to do, you know, big boy shit until it's. time to do big boy shit there and there is an aspect of that you can see that in some of the body language and the actions of the people I agree with you on the leadership failure I've had a few of the officers who were there that day who've reached out to me privately over email

none of them in that hallway and actually all of the ones who have reached out were at like a different area of the school and they I will speak broadly and paraphrase what the emails have said I feel terrible I had no idea what was actually going on and all I can do is sit here and think about what I could have done or what I should have done. And I mean, how many times have you been on an objective where there's a gunfight in a different portion and you have no fucking clue? 100%. What's going on? So I can't fault the officer who is responding and is like, hey, go be on an external security and has no fucking clue what's going on. And here's some gunfire. I mean, literally like on a large objective, multi-structure objective,

There's a fucking raging gunfight going on somewhere, and you're like, well, I'm in a room with cows. You know, like, and this is my piece of the pie. This is my piece of the pie. But then if there's a catastrophic, you know, a fatality, you lose one of your friends. You're like, motherfucker. Why was I down there with the cows? And it can weigh on you. So I feel for those officers, I don't know if I feel that way about the ones who, like, how do you not go up and support the one man?

Like, that was drilled into me from day one. If the fucking first guy goes to the door, you go with the guy. If the guy goes through the door, you go into the room. It's not negotiable. I mean, that's the standard that we absolutely trained to. So there's just this very large range in spectrum of thoughts and feelings I have about it from completely empathizing with those officers who didn't know what the fuck was going on and wish they could have done more to I land in the same place. from a leadership perspective, I mean, I can't speak for the Army world, but how many times have you heard shoot, move, and communicate? I mean, if you're not communicating from a leadership level, guidance down to the fucking operators who are there, if you're not even going to have your radio on you, and again, I don't know all the facts, but I hope at some point in time all the facts actually come out, and then right after that, comma, people get held accountable to it.

Yeah, I'm surprised that even that there's not people disgusting. Like at the community, organized community, what do they call, the things they do where the people talk to the city council? The city council meets. The public is demanding accountability, right? And what do you have if you don't have accountability? You have 19 families that have been affected of the children that were killed, and you have two teachers that were killed in it as well. And so you want something to be done.

And look, there is egregious mistakes that you see, but let's just talk about the police chief. The chief's sole responsibility is C2, command and control. That is their sole responsibility. The way you command and control is with the radio. Your lifeline is the radio. If you're a patrol officer, if you're a SWAT officer, you know this. If you're in the military, you definitely know this. That the most important piece of equipment you have is that radio.

When he decided not to listen to that radio and ignore dispatch, dispatch was communicating all of the things that were taking place within that classroom because calls came in from a child, multiple calls, and they came in from a teacher. Here's what I'll tell you because the Bortak supervisor let me know this. Both those teachers, an hour, 15 minutes, 26 seconds, whatever the timeline was, a long time after this happened, after they were initially shot, both teachers were alive when they entered that classroom. One died in the hospital in the ER, and one died on the way to the hospital. Now, you have to imagine that you would go, oh, if the kids were killed, then maybe we want to preserve life. because why would you want to further injure or kill anybody else?

But that's not the case here. In fact, if that was the case where they knew that there were children, but they somehow knew maybe CCTV camera, there was some information or intelligence that was relayed, that there wasn't anybody alive, then maybe I could see a course of action that would delay the time to breach. But what we do know is that they knew people were alive in the classroom. they heard the shots on three separate times, that one shot, that four shots and that one shot.

They also knew the teachers were shot because they actually detained one of their own officers, who was one of the husbands of the teachers. And if you see that video, what else say about that video? Is it the guy with the blue line punisher skull on his phone? They say that, but I think it is, but there's actual a new CTV. a TV camera video where he actually gets pulled physically as he's walking with his pistol to try to get in the classroom. But it was like, somebody made the comment as like, yeah, he just did the ultimate like, hold me back move, right?

Like if your wife, if your loved one, if your child is in that classroom, what's stopping you from getting in that classroom? Nothing. Nobody's going to stop you. And so we also know that the classroom door was never locked. So they kept talking about this key. Do you know what kind of door it was? Was it metal or wood? It's a wooden door with metal reinforcement, and the framing was metal.

Oh, like the kickplate area? On the kickplate? Yep. And then it had a metal framed window in the middle. Okay. Bortak told me that they were told that it was locked. They kept saying it was locked. But they went to go breach it, and like good breaches do, they first test the door,

and they pulled it and it wasn't locked. So if you're thinking about like, what are the reasons they didn't go in there? None of them for me pass the dumbass test. All of them are dumb reasons why you would go, this is stupid, we need to get in the classroom. There were officers who showed up, including a DPS supervisor,

including a U.S. Marshal, and the U.S. Marshals reinforced them with shields. They actually handed the shields. They had four shields, ballistic shields on target before they breached. When they showed up in the U.S. Marshal handed over the shield to Bortak, Bortak had never used shields. Why? Because they don't use contained barricaded suspects.

They don't typically go after that. I think everybody should learn shields because I think they're a tactical advantage, especially against active shooters or high risk warrants. But that's hindsight. When they showed up and they got the shields, you're thinking, oh, so they were waiting for equipment to be reinforced because they needed breaching tools. They showed up. The ballistic shield showed up.

The tactical gunfighter showed up. Nobody did anything. The whole reason, according to Bortak, is because they didn't know. And there's something to that because I could read the body language and behavior. Look, we're good at behavior dynamics because we spend our entire lives looking at demeanor. Making very serious decisions based off of it. Exactly. And that's our life, whether it's AFO, it's Reki, or CTR, whatever it is.

DA, when you look at this hallway, everybody in the hallway looks like they're at a county parade. They don't look checked in to a tactical scenario. They don't, even the medic and his posture at the very end of the video is odd to me. Because there's a paramedic who actually holds back the Yuvaldi guys from the initial breach of the Bortak guys. But he's gloved up. And so I'm like, wait a minute. He's gloved up, but nobody knew that there were casualties. Wait, it looks like they created a triage point,

like they were expecting mass casualties. This isn't making sense. So there's some things that aren't connecting for me, but ultimately, I think the most egregious mistake was calling it a barricaded shooter instead of an active shooter, which it was, which sets protocols, which are very different than barricaded or contained. Do you know who made that call?

The Uvaldi chief. did he actually made the call to not do anything we're backing up and getting reinforcements and then their posture completely changed that the two cops on the side of the uh the t intersection of that hallway as they entered the the school are at soul i mean one dude has a carbine he's like pointing it at the ground and one guy's got a pistol and he's pointing it at the at the concrete and you're like dude if this was an active shooter and you had a guy that was a hundred feet down the hallway on the left with a car being who just killed children, why would you not be checked into the tactical situation?

Yeah. There's a whole bunch of things that don't make sense, but a whole bunch of things that do. And ultimately, the cops fucked up. They screwed up. And like you said, there are a lot of police officers who were just there, because I can't imagine 276 people knew what was going on at the time. Can you imagine the call over the radios? I mean, I'm sure it was one of those instances where I don't care who you are in that state, you go, well, probably not everywhere in the state, but anywhere nearby lights and sirens, and you're just hauling ass there to try to help. Yeah, dude, there was cops.

There was a, I don't know if it was a regional SWAT team. I couldn't get the answer out of Bortak. I don't know if it was a regional SWAT team like FBI or just a high-risk team that were deploying from San Antonio on their way. So they had contained, held their position, and were waiting for reinforcements from San Antonio. Like, what? So, do you know if the classroom that he was,

the shooter barricaded himself? and did it have windows that were facing outside? Both of them did. Did they have officers posted up outside? I don't know, but I... It was one of the first things that I thought. It would give you great situational awareness as to what the fuck was going on in the room.

And quite frankly, you can shoot through windows. So there's a... I won't tell you who said... I won't say on the radio... We're on the radio. We're on a radio show. The podcast. Mike, this is Andy over.

Yeah. I won't tell you who said this in an open forum, but somebody told me, Mike, you should tell the public to demand to see the CCTV cameras from inside the school. Inside the classroom, there was a camera. And then inside of adjoining spaces, there were more cameras. So all of the coverage that you see in the hallway existed on every corner of that school. So there's a lot of evidence that lies out there, including evidence of what took place in the hallway. that classroom, which I know some of the details. I won't repeat it because I don't want you to have nightmares that are insane, but all points back to what could we have done better. Ultimately,

what I did that video for is to criticize what I saw as wrong in real time. And I consider myself foremost expert on tactical training as well as the implementation of tactics and operations. And there was a lot of things done wrong, but most importantly, what we do to become better. command and control and your radio is your lifeline. If you're a police officer and you live and work in a culture that is counterproductive to good guys going and rescuing good guys from bad guys, then you need to leave or you need to find an informal group of people and dial your shit together on your own because the institution is not going to do it for you. I think culturally there's a significant and deeply rooted problem in Yuvaldi police department, which will come out at a latter point. I won't conspiracize.

I won't make shit up. But I think it's a lot deeper than just what we see on the surface. I would hope that at some point in time, all of that data is gathered, the different camera angles. You got to remember, too, probably most of those guys had body cams on as well, which is going to capture the audio. because I don't know how police radios work if there is a recording mechanism that like they go you know they record it for ex a period of time

in case they need it for legal purposes but video cameras you know the different body cameras could probably capture a lot of the audio that was going back and forth unless they were on earpieces but it would create a much better picture and I think it would illuminate

areas where people might be trying to hide yeah if J-Soc fucks up and and there's an operation that goes bad and I've seen many of them go bad. An internal review takes place, but it's not publicly advertised for a good reason. If a law enforcement agency fucks up, if they're in my community, I want all that information. I want access to it because I want to know who is responsible, who I don't need to vote for, who I need to potentially protest against because it's my community.

The people of Yuvaldi have risen up against all of these places. players stating that's what we need to be done. And it's true. Because when you have something so egregious taking place at a public school school where the community has bought into the idea of outsourcing their security and outsourcing their children's education based on the taxes that they pay in that community, there needs to be accountability. There needs to be transparency, most importantly. And I don't think that's being done. Do you think what happened there will change policing policy nationwide? Yes, it will. It should. It should. because they're setting a precedent.

It's a new thing to see cops so egregiously make such gross mistakes. And look, here's what I'll say. There are people out there because of their political position, their persona or their popularity. They're afraid of getting chastised by their center, their echo chamber. Like, fuck you guys. You're being quiet. You're manipulating the information because you're, and you're state. all these excuses because you don't want to lose your base.

You don't want to lose your salary. You don't want to lose your popularity. And what is it? Like, I am the biggest supporter of law enforcement in the tactical space. Like, that's not, I don't even think that's debatable. Like, we support, I have half of my instructors that work for me on law enforcement officers. Because I want guys who are law enforcement officers to teach the law and self-protection, not just the tactics. A Delta Force operator isn't a good instructor for teaching people,

how to self-protect because they've been killing terrorists their entire lives, a police officer is. Not exactly the same thing. Exactly. And a lot of people get fucked that up. They mix that up. So I just hope that these people who are not saying anything, they wake up to the realization of how much they're hurting themselves by not being honest. What I will be is honest.

If those cops did the right thing, I would back them. just like I did during the BLM and Tifa protests where everybody was anti-cop. And I stood up and said, defund, what? And I know me, you and some people were like the first ones to say, how about we not defund the police? Yeah. And people are like, oh, well, that's ballsy. Like, yeah, because it's right. You need to invest more.

You need to invest more money. And we're seeing the fallout from that, including potentially Yuvaldi. So that was the only easy topic that I had. You said you had some harder ones. What do you want to go with? Global warming? Yeah. 2024 election.

What do you feel like? I don't get me started on any of those. You probably pisses me off, man. It's a tough one. Well, there are so many different tentacles to that that people will grab onto. One, I think it is so, it's a kick right in the fucking teeth because it's kids. And not that, and I'm not trying to put a value judgment on the age at which somebody would be violently killed. but for me like young children overseas same thing like just watching children be mistreated or malnour it like it just

and especially as a as a father that one fucking irks me and it always has and maybe not everybody's the same way but i've seen that incident be morphed and shifted and it's like you know what let's talk about gun regulations instead and i'm willing to have that conversation with people but i think that they should be separated. And so it's, it's, it's, it's so complex the number of things that you can talk about. If you chose to, you could go down one of those cynicals and all of that actually removes itself from the nucleus of that particular issue and that particular problem. It's just, I mean, gun violence is fucking horrendous. And I, you know, it was 19 kids and 22 teachers. That's less than probably a week in Chicago, which doesn't lead the news, which it should lead the fucking news, all the goddamn

time. I think they're at 400 deaths this year already, and it's the seven month of the year. So one kicks people in the teeth, and then from a totality perspective or an overall number perspective, another one's not even talked about. So I don't know. I hate it when situations like that are weaponized to fit people's particular beliefs or narrative set. It's just a tough one for me. Again, it's hard to actually have a conversation with somebody like we're doing about. Let's just talk about what happened on the objective. at the school. People like, well, you have those fucking assault rifles. It's like, stop. Yeah. We can have that conversation in a second. Let's go back to talking about school.

You're like, fucking MAGA. I'm like, whoa, whoa. Like, let's go back and talk about the school. It just, I don't know. It's a tough one for me, man. Well, the part of it for me is these are public institutions, right? When we as a society buy into the idea of outsourcing things in our lives, which we do with everything. Health care, protection, security, education, the list goes on. We're accepting an understanding that there's going to be a collaborative effort, right? And when you send your kids to school, nobody's thinking that their children and a public institution is going to be murdered. Kids can't defend themselves. They're helpless. So when we look at government institutions, a state.

federal government institutions, which is thousands of buildings throughout the United States. Let's talk about the Capitol building. How many security forces exist on the Capitol building, especially after January 6th, how many people are paid protecting a building because they're protecting the physical infrastructure as well as potential the security of the people and the items that are in that building? Why are we not doing that for a public institution? When you look at the math, because I'm an Asian, so I don't need an advocateist to do this. I could do some of my head. Super racist.

John's actually shaking his head like this. He's like, no, you can't. John's doing laundry. He's doing my laundry in the corner of this room right now. He's got one of those rowing machines, but have you seen that one? But it's just the spinning laundry bucket. He's like doing this, churning it. I think that's more Amish, but.

Yeah, it's true. I mean, the kimchi, he was churning the kimchi inside a jar. Got you. Yeah. Fermentation is that that's probably the process. when you look at $40 billion, which we gave to Ukraine, good, bad, or different, let's just say it's $40 billion. If you took an officer, a federal officer, armed, capable because they train on not just physical security crisis response, but security protocols overall, physical assessments, checkpoint procedures, all the different things that we navigate in embassies across the United States.

I mean across the world. I've done probably 10 physical assessment, security assessment, crisis assessments for embassies throughout the world. You just take that SME, that subject matter expert, and you put them in a school and you pay them $75,000 a year. You could fund every public institution, which includes private and public schools for five years. for five years you could put a federal officer in every single public institution. So it's the same hypocrisy we face with politicians who are protecting themselves with guns, advocating for infringement against constitutional rights, including the Second Amendment. And we're having a debate like, why should we be focused on guns and legislation against guns that's only punishing law by any citizens while you're being protected?

your physical buildings are being protected, and we don't have a policy that's going to actually affect change. Do I think veterans or nonprofits or security guards need to be in our school? No. It's actually one of the things that I agree the federal government should be responsible for. It's like the abortion debate. People have a decisive line for their abortion. They're either pro-abortion or they're pro-choice or pro-choice or anti-abortion. When you look at that argument, what the actual argument is, because I heard this on Rogan's podcast with one of the guys, the argument isn't that we're saying we're taking away choices from women because we don't want to, we don't want the woman to make a choice with her body.

What we're saying is constitutionally, the federal government doesn't have a place. and that type of business based on the founding fathers' view of things. What we are saying, and all these idiots that are protesting that don't even understand what they're saying, is the policy belongs to the state decentralized from the federal government. Because if you're buying into democracy and you're making a vote, and then you're paying taxpayer dollars because you pay state and federal taxes, we're saying we can't buy into the idea that everybody who lives in this country, is going to support and pay for a woman's right or whatever part of this discussion you stand on,

non-right to abort a child. So we're saying it's up to the state to manage that process, like many things, which I agree with, decentralize the federal government, give them less power, and allow the states to manage that. You want abortions, move to California. You don't want abortions, move to Utah. So I'm making the same argument just Tarantino. It reversed that. Now I'm saying for once public institutions, when it comes to protecting Americans,

especially against mental health crisis, including active shooters, needs to be handled by the federal government because they have the broadest funds. So we say as a country, can we unite that our taxpayer dollars could pay for this thing called security because we did it after 9-11. $17 billion a year goes to the Department of or the TSA, which I think falls under the Department of Homeland Security now, which is a conglomerate. It's a massive thing. And you get checked and screened at every airport because 19 shitheads with box cutters

hijack four airplanes. So why are we not doing the same for our children? And that's my beef. Everybody could say all these things, but if it doesn't leave. to a better outcome because we actually make policy that affects janes then we're just fucking talking in circles that's mostly what we're doing anyway because we're all talking in an echo chamber and and the only people that seem to be winning are crooked politicians fuck them too oh i agree with that i was at the salt lake city airport the other day flying back up here down in utah for a bit

which probably didn't need to say that because i said salt lake city but it struck me i never listened of the goddamn announcements in the back of, you know, the background noise. And at Salt Lake City Airport, kept saying, don't accept packages from people that you don't know. And I was thinking, and I don't know why I was thinking this, but do you know ever in the history of airplanes? Has there ever been an airplane incident because somebody accepted a fucking package from somebody they didn't know? No. That was Libya that happened, or was a Libyan terrorist that did that with a package. It was on repeat there.

I don't have no idea where I'm going with this, but when you brought up the TSA, it took me back to that. I was literally stuck. And then I couldn't not hear it. Yeah. And it was just, do not accept a package from somebody that you don't. It's like, yeah, no shit. What do you think about TSA, though? Do you think it's an inconvenience or do you think it's a necessary inconvenience to warrant enough inconvenience for security?

That's another one that's a difficult. question because there's TSA agents and then there are agents that are outsourced to fill the role with TSA agents at smaller, more regional airlines. And my experience is not the same with both of those. Yeah. I think conceptually, you know, screening people for weapons on a plane, given what happened after 9-11, probably a good idea. If you want to have some fun, Google how many people successfully accidentally get through TSA screening with a weapon every year. Happens all the time. Holy shit.

Yeah. I personally know somebody. Yeah. Who made it through TSA and had a fucking pistol in their purse. And it, the purse went down on the conveyor belt. So, you know, anytime at the end of the day, right, when we were talking about flawed systems, if there's a human being like looking around or not looking around that's maybe hung over or checked out of their job, shit's going to get missed. So it's a perfect system. Of course it's not.

I don't think that's possible to create a perfect system. I think screening people for guns, weapons, things that are a risk to either other passengers of the aircraft that could then be turned into weapons like 9-11. Good idea. Do I think, I mean, again, the differences, though, between that system and what people probably have never seen because they've never flown private is that what doesn't happen, when you fly private. You're literally rolling up and showing an ID card, and there is only one airport, Boston Logan, where I flew in.

This was when I was flying the G4. We would go through TSA security at the FBO, the fixed-based operation, which is largely what they're called. There's one here in Calispell. There's the main airport. Then there's an FBO. It might even be evergreener.

Something cool, Montana, like Whispy Pines or some shit like that. Grizzly Bear. You go in there, there's nobody checking your backs. There's nobody checking to see if you have a gun. You're putting down an ID card and you're getting on to an airplane. You can weaponize those things just like you can, anything else. They're smaller, but if you have enough money, you can totally get around and travel without the luxury of going through the TSA checkpoint. So of all the aircraft that are in the air right now, a percentage of them have none of that screening.

And the only difference is the monetary means to be able to do so. There's probably some pretty wealthy fuckers out there who wish harm upon others. Or maybe they just want to move people into place. Maybe they want to move material into place and shuffle things across a chessboard so they can set it up for later on. It's a totally different world. So I think the TSA thing, probably a good idea. Execution of it, I think is flawed. And there is that massive loophole of flying private.

I'll give you an analogy that you'll understand, kind of navigating my headspace on this. Me and you, when we operated early on in the war, we did everything soft-skinned vehicles. Oh, yeah. Right? We were in Hiluxes, soft-skin high-luxes, which is a Toyota pickup truck. Four-runner, basically. Yeah, four-runner. We did it in Openback Humvees, like where the doors were taken off.

Flat-bottom Humvees. Just flat-bottom, right? We did it in soft-skinned vehicles, cars, whether it was reci, low-vis. And then we started getting blown up. And then as we got blowed up, we started building reinforcements because we were reactionary. We said, oh, well, the threat is we get blown up from the bottom. They bury mortar rounds or, you know, whatever, on top of each other. HME.

Yeah, homemade explosives. and then we did V-shaped holes. We do a contract. A lot of money is spent. Military industrial complex is great for that. We have the V-shaped hole and we get higher off the ground. We got the detectors. We have the jammers.

We have all these things that are... Sweepers up front. The rollers. The rollers. And then the enemy gets smart. And they go, well, we're going to create a IAD that hits from the side. So Iran's technology integrated into tactics on the battlefield. they start hitting us with shape charges.

And the shape charges, in fact, with Task Force 16, that became 17 with JSOC, I was there right after the trip where three seals, I believe, were killed in an uparmored GMV when it got hit with an EFP from the side, cutting them in half, and then cutting the barrel of the 50-cow in half. Remember how they said it was so violent because of the shape charge. my point is oh as we grew we we have the v-sap hole we get armor more armor and then everything's remote so now we're on the battlefield in literally a tank that's on four wheels driving down a road and have no ability to see the enemy to react to the enemy unless you're the remote weapon system operator on the gun and it gives us a distinct disadvantage in some instances so what we are doing essentially in this country is reacting because we think that there's a there is a fix and the fix will be the solution to the problem for here on out it's like the idea of taking away guns guns are the

tool if the mental health crisis is the cancer and we're just putting a band-aid on cancer we're not addressing the issue so what we're going to likely see is things like hey guess what Bad guys, they don't follow the law. They don't look at gun-free zone signs. They don't care about your laws because they're breaking it. Thank God, this kid, Eli Dickon, goes into shopping with his girlfriend, a 22-year-old kid in Indiana. Active shooter pre-planned, a mass shooting. This wasn't like a random act of domestic violence that turned into an active shooting.

Pre-planned an active shooting. Goes into a bathroom into the shopping mall, loads his kid up. Walks out of it, starts killing innocent people. Wines up killing four people before he's gunned down by a 22-year-old law-abiding citizen. That's by the left deemed a criminal. The view, those, I'll probably get sued for this. Those women from the view criticized him because they said he was breaking the law. He should be in jail.

This 22-year-old was constitutionally carrying because Indiana's constitutional carry law. draws his pistol from 40 yards, shoots the bad guy eight out of ten times, and puts him down in the dirt where he belongs. Saving countless lives. The focus needs to be on empowering people and protecting their civil and constitutional liberties and rights. If we do that more often,

then it's going to lead to better outcomes. We're chasing our tail in circles. 19 terrorists on 9-11, There apparently was a 20th one, but 19 of them with box cutters and a good plan of action executed 9-11, killing 3,000 plus Americans. That wasn't a bomb. It wasn't a gun. It wasn't a tool. It was the innovation and motivation of an ideology that happened to be radical that killed all those people.

You're not going to stop violent actors from doing that. Stop focusing on that. Stop focusing on that. And I think... Well, the only way you can stop them is by putting them down. Absolutely. After the decision is made, the only response that's an appropriate reaction is putting them in the dirt. What did the host of the view, what did they think that that young man should have done?

Just let the other person keep shooting? Of course, they didn't say that. They didn't go down that rabbit hole. I wonder if they have armed security at the building that they filmed that show at. I know most of those celebrities have private detailed security. but they think it's okay. They really, they, so they were positioning that as this, as the 22 year old man who responded was the one who was at fault there?

They didn't say he was at fault, but he said he broke the law. Like, like he shouldn't be, like he should be in jail, essentially. And I'm peri of storing it because somebody told me, because I, I refuse to listen. Yeah, he should be charged with being fucking awesome. Yeah, he, he's a fucking national treasure. He's a hero, right? Very different from the situation with Rittenhouse where he, he, he should be charged. He puts himself in a position where things go wrong and he defends his life and he gets dropped of all charges appropriately because he's protecting.

But he's not there with a gun. He's constitutionally caring, not looking for a fight. The fight comes to him. And he steps up to the table as a law-abiding, responsible citizen, as we say in Phil Crowe's survival, as a responsible citizen doing the right thing, which we all should be doing. I just feel like a statement like that referencing the women on the. you don't I feel like the only way you could make a statement like that is if you were so incredibly detached and had never been around violence of any kind yeah that's exactly which I hope they haven't I mean I hope nobody is around violence I'm not advocating for violence but it's like take a

second and try to imagine yourself in that situation and you're in the mall and you're proximal to that person you're telling me that you wouldn't want an armed citizen to end that threat before other people lost their life like what kind of fucking headspace is that I don't understand that I don't either. I mean, it's people living in a bubble and very complacent because they don't have to face the realities. They don't live in the neighborhood of Austin and in the inner city of Chicago. They don't live in Baltimore, Maryland, in the inner city. Again, a lot of these actors are exactly that. They're actors. They're only used to pretending to be other people. I like the hypocrisy of all these people who are talking about gun control, including Matt McConaughey, who, who, you know, has some

good views, who's an intelligent human being, who happens to be from Ubaldi. And then he comes out saying that we need to take broader responsibility. It's kind of hard to state when you've made movies where you're killing people and shooting them in the face with guns, right? That's a very hypocritical view. It's a complex conversation, for sure. I wish people could have a conversation objectively and pick one area, discuss it maybe a little move on to the next, as opposed to when it gets to an issue or an area where they

start feeling uncomfortable, then it becomes emotional and they try to go down another one of those tentacles. Yeah, I secretly wish more guys like you, myself even, Jockos, the leaders of this culture that we've created around us and be more involved in politics. I know our stance on it because we talked about it before, but I wish there was an entry point for us. Like I wish Jocko would run for president because I'd like to see him win, but the reality is he probably wouldn't because he's not lobbying. He doesn't have corporate America and he's not getting paid by him. Like he's not going to be one to bow down. And everybody we know, everybody that I know who's gone to Congress, who's still there has some form of like, man, their hands aren't clean. Yeah. You know, they've gotten dirty and

they've changed. And that happens a lot in life. But to see no hope for the future of America in the political space is terrifying. Because we talk about all these things because they're social issues. And they're driving us to talk about it. But what is it actually accomplishing if we can't get anything done politically to create a policy or a law that's affecting change? So, and then to see who's in charge of the country. I mean, this guy, is almost damn near in hospice. Like he's like, and that's no exaggeration. Like he could barely communicate with words in English.

I'm not going to lie. When he doesn't have a teleprompter, I really enjoy it. It's funny. On one hand. Yeah. On the other hand, it's hard to enjoy it because he holds the highest office in the United States government. Can you believe that guy is the president of the United States? He, he knuckled, bump, bumped, uh, the Saudi,

Saudi Arabian prints. It's like... Do you watch that documentary about the journalist they had killed in their fucking embassy? Yeah. They have audio recordings

of them sawing his body into pieces. Oh, that's right. They got him out of there in small bags, right? In small bags, yeah. They exiled amount of small bags into a vehicle.

Didn't one of the princes send his private jet over there? Like, that's what I'm saying? Like, they were able to track that manifest? All of it. All that information was leaked

and it was a direct order apparently by him. Yeah. The scariest place I've ever flown through is Jetta, Saudi Arabia, where I was like, I mean, I won't say what I happened there, because I flew through there and I was like, oh, shit, this is the wrong place to be. Yeah. And it was not very fun. And I was like, this is radical as fuck. Like, you think right-wing extremists are radical? You think leftist lunatics are radical? Dude, I mean, these dudes are still stoning people to do. death. They're like doing public hangings in the city square that women can't drive type shit. And this is a country that we are buddies with. I mean, we're boys, according to

Biden, because he fist bumps his boy. Like, what the hell are you doing, man? It could have been COVID protocol, Mike. I mean... That's true, yeah. You know, why aren't she looking at the other side of this coin? That's true. Yeah. Yeah, it could have been. He could have been. He's got COVID though now. He does.

Right now, like actually right You think he'll run again in 24? He'll be dead by then. You think so? Dude, he is. Do you? So if he is dead, this is where, John, do you have any tinfoil over there? Because we can fashion a fucking hat.

If he is dead, would it be because his own party did that to him or natural causes? Well, I just heard, I can't remember his podcast it was. It might have been, might have been Rogans about the Clinton, all the people associated with, I think it was 37 or 39 people. either had accidents. You've seen Evans video about this, right? Yes. You take a deadly fall out of a canoe. You shoot yourself in the back of the head.

Oh, speaking of that, let's talk about this, because you have... Good lateral on the tinfoil hat part. Fucking quality move. I don't know what you mean. That black rifle coffee shop that you just... Mirror blocks from where we are right now. What is the story behind...

We mentioned it before, but I like you to reiterate the story of this dude. Oh, is this legit. This is real. All right. So, probably most people watching and listening realize I'm opening up a BRCC outpost. That's what they call it.

What is that outpost? I think it's just a different terms because it's a different brand. I don't know what Starbucks calls there. Oh, but it's just a coffee shop. Does outposts mean it's like coffee shop with a fireplace and sitting there? I believe that they are all internally. and used in external media coming from the company called outposts. Got it, got it.

A black rifle coffee shop would be an outpost. Got it. So my business partner and I have been working on this for, I want to say we were approaching two years. So we went out there and we walked you through today. What it looks like today, it didn't look like that 30 days ago, let alone 60 days ago. It was kind of just the concrete slab. It has been the craziest process in your first. asked me like, hey, man, are you fired up? It's like, this is still like largely, it feels conceptual

because we looked at PDF documents for like a year. Wow. Before a shovel ever went into the ground, you know, working with architects and figuring out branding and what did we want it to look like. So the fact that there's like a partial structure up there right now is still hard for me to wrap my head around. Yeah. And we walked around and it's massive. It's awesome. And it sits on a quarter of a city block in Old Town, Calispell or, you know, just off a main street in Calisbury. You bought that block. My business partner bought the block. Which is the land.

You actually own the land. Correct. It's a quarter of a city block. And on there was a historic brick building. And adjacent to that, I think there was a slight air gap in between the walls. It was a laundromat. Like a more modern era laundromat, probably from like the 70s or 80s. Okay.

It was once a warehouse. It went through a variety of things. So Gus, you know, Gus Tibido was an entrepreneur. And, you know, in the foundations, they're pulling out, like, old carjacks because there was some mechanic stuff that went on there. Painted on the wall. It's, this says Rex flower on the outside. I don't know if they had that type of storage. But there's a penis in the concrete.

I saw that as well. I put that there. Oh, okay. So. I see. I thought that was Jebedo. Jebediah. What's his name?

Gus Tibido. Tibido. Tibido. I don't know about you guys. But, like, when you put your card in, they ask you for a signature on those iPads. Yeah. All I do is draw dicks. that's the only thing I do

so I basically just signed the I'm not joking either yeah Leah will sit there and be like oh my God like let me have my special things You tipped a dick sir Can we get some cash here?

You get 18% and a cock All right So Profile for people wondering Because there's a variety of different ways You could go head on view I usually go for left to right Are we still talking about cocks

We are yeah Much like my signature I just John's over here Just fucking dying He's like yeah profile He's like profile's my favorite too over there just shaking. So he did.

There was a little whorehouse action that was going on there. And the Gus died on the property. He was in the southeast corner, there's a water spout. And from my understanding of what was going on is he was doing some welding because there was a little bit of leakage in the southeast corner. It's probably 20, 25 feet up. And while welding, he started himself on fire. Now, I don't know if anybody knows if it was the fire that killed him or the fact he did a header off of the wall, but both happened.

So he essentially accidentally killed himself while doing maintenance on the property. Or did somebody murder him? That would be possible too. That's a fucking intricate plan to somehow... This Rexflower guy is suspect, man. Rexflower, I don't think was tied to him. Oh, yeah. But it's the same building, though, right?

Same building, but maybe they just let him pay money to slap that up on the outside. You know, like a billboard. How did you find out about this story? It's a historic building. So there is actual... All the archives have the information on. Yes. So there's information about that.

And I think one of the architects actually found it. I think we'll probably put a plaque up in honor of Gus and offer a like a caramel macchiato with like a nice foam on top with it. You just take like a butane torch across the top for it. Like a nice little caramelized... Caramelized it up for Gus. Ooh. Yeah.

That sounds delicious. The Tibido. The Tibido sounds delicious. I think so. Ooh, frothy. You got to have nice and frothy. Yeah. Maybe like a sprinkle of like a little bit of blood. You don't know how much blood was there.

But also burnt. Burnt to a crisp. Yeah. On the top. Is there pictures of Gus? I have not personally seen one, but I bet you there is some out there. Where is the one out there? What I love about that space is you could fit 120 people in that space.

I think you can fit 120 people in there pretty easy. It is like when I had you go over to that northeast corner and you look back on what it's actually going to be. That looks like. So I don't know who was with me. when I was in Dallas, Fort Worth, I was in a BRCC, a black rifle coffee that had half, dude, not even half the space,

like a third of the space, and we had 200 people in it. Yeah, 200 people. Like, I mean, we were all sweating profusely and it was disgusting because I was spitting on everybody because I was standing on a chair. Yeah. Because there's no room for me to talk to anybody at ground level.

And as I was talking, I was literally spitting on people as they were looking up at me with their mouth open. I was like, I apologize. I just spit all over you guys. I'm sorry. They liked it, though, I think. I don't think we'll have that issue there.

And then there's the outside. You know, when we were having the idea of how big we wanted it to be, like, full disclosure, the architecture, like, this is too big. It's going to be too big. They wanted to do probably a third of what it was, and then we talked to them into two-thirds. And then finally, in one of the meetings, I just said, hey, like, this is our money. Please just make it this big. Are we talking about the penis again?

Are we back to the actual structure? I hadn't put the mark of the beast on the foundation yet because we had to figure out what the footprint of the foundation was going to be. But bigger is better is what I've been told. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. That's true. But we wanted to build a space that Jack Carr could come up and launch his next book, which, you know, in the James Reese series.

Maybe he can get another TV show, whatever. You're lucky, Jack. Fucker carried you through your career. But then we wanted to have a place where you could come up and do a seminar. Yeah. But there's a huge outdoor aspect to it as well. the summer months right now, we're recording this in July.

It's fucking beautiful out. Yeah, it's perfect. The sun doesn't go down to like 10 o'clock. So maximize that with outdoor space while it's out and then have a really cool indoor space in the months where people are looking for more of a place to go inside. I hate to say this place is cool because I don't want anybody else coming here.

You're talking about the coffee shop or Calispell? Calispell as a whole. The secret's already out. Is it? The property values, and people get so pissed at me when I take pictures from my back porch at the house we did the first podcast.

I always like, well, fuck you. People are going to come to Montana. I'm like, oh, have you ever seen the TV show Yellowstone? Oh, mm, go fuck yourself. Yeah, they have a little bit more reach than me. Have you ever watched the movie River Runs Through it? Yeah, guess what, asshole?

That was in Montana as well. The secrets out, property values in the last two years went bananas. Yeah. I do think it's already hit the point where locals they can't afford to live here anymore. They do great if they sold. But there are more people coming here for sure.

I think the secret, it's out on most places. Yeah. We put that video up on at Mike, or no, Mike Glover actual on YouTube. So that video will be the walk around. The coffee shop. That's the first content of any kind around that project other than pictures, too. So that'll give people a good insight as to what it's going to look like. Yeah, that's cool.

And I would say, fuck, what day is today? 24th. Let me care. Quant, if today is July the seventh month, if it was 90 days from now, what month would that be? October. Good. I was just double-checking my math. I got there before you.

In October, I think, the soft. Soft opening. The flaccid opening is. Yeah, the limp opening could occur. What's the hard opening? The excited opening. The excited opening. Ooh, that ties right into John.

It does. Rock. R-OK. ROK hard, so he can't get suppressed on social media. I'm going to say late November. You should have an account called at Rock Hard. You should. But it's R.O.K. Hard. You're welcome for that, by the way.

I see you're using a SIG. Of course. For years. It's so funny because I go... Is that the one that you're going to gift me? I'll take that one right there. So it's funny. So this isn't the one I'm giving you, but Dave Mods, who's my custom fabricator for these SIG guns. Same gun, same gun, same exact gun. ported

it has everything it's got the 509T optic it's a serrated cut grip angles changed it's like a sig 320x like what I would want to make but I told I already told Dave I'm like hey man we have

25 of these in the first run I'm selling those on basically I'm selling on my Patreon which I'm not selling a gun on Patreon I'm selling the slot deposit on Patreon members only for tier one and tier two

which is Patreon dot com forward slash mike glover it's really easy to find um and i've already sold all of them oh shit yeah not serial number zero zero there might be like five we might do an extension of this but not zero zero zero one and then and he's like yeah i'm like what number you want and of course zero zero one and i'm like well i have zero zero zero zero so yeah i'll give you zero zero fair that's this is zero zero zero actually i have used i i'll be the first two bit i'm biased on sick products because I got, we were using two, two, sixes all the way since the late 90s, for me at least. Yeah.

I know some of the teams, I think, played around with Glock's a little bit. I don't mind Glockes. Yeah. They have never felt great in my hand. SIG products, for whatever reason, have always been super comfortable. You actually hooked me up with this one. This is, what do they call this thing? 365XL comp.

The Spector comp, whatever it is. This thing is freaking ridiculous. That's like the best gun, I think, made right now for conceal carry. But I do think, what's the date today? 23rd. When is this drop? This is it 24th. Let's see here. Let me hit the button. Because I potentially couldn't launch it until...

August 1st. August 1st. So yeah, I can't even talk about this. Forget what I said. SIG's coming out with a new gun. That's all you need to know. And I'll be the first to release it because I tested it and was involved in the engineering aspect. But it takes that 365XL comp right there and just makes it a lot better. Really? Because that's already a very good gun. How many rounds does that?

Take. Mine holds 20. You just made that up. I did. 20 rounds of 22. I don't know. It's 12. It's a 12 round mag.

You don't know what I got in my mag. Well, you have probably 11 because you don't put an extra one in there. I have 10. Those aren't even real rounds. Those are some munitions. I have 10 because it's, I don't like, it's hard to get the magazine seated. It's 12 plus one, dude. Oh, I can see that for me.

Yeah. It's going to have a larger magazine capacity. Okay. And it's going to knock. I think Glock 19s and Glock 17s out the box. That's what I'll say. I feel like you've already said too much and Stig's going to be calling you on August 1st.

They potentially will. But it's not a bad thing because you have to wait for it to come out in about a week from now from this podcast drop. But I think it's going, because it's, you remember, 365 Excel was only an inch thick overall. Yeah. So it's slim fitting. But that in my brain doesn't make sense when you think about a high magazine capacity. That has 12 rounds in it.

High magazine capacities usually are 17 plus rounds. Like, how can you do that? Well, SIGS figured out. So I basically told you everything about it. I might as well tell you the name, which I won't, but it's called them. Yeah. I'm done. I'm done.

I can't say anymore. What are your thoughts on, actually, I already know your thoughts, but I just want to hear you repeat them on everyday care. Because you post about it all the time. So I think everyday carry is that every damn day responsibility is what I say. And the reason I say that is because when you look at it. this kid, Eli Dickin, who took the opportunity to be a responsible citizen. Terrible last name, by the way.

Terrible last name. Because I was thinking it could have been Dickens. Because if you've gotten the Dickens, like you've been, there's many ways that you can go about that. Eli's been dicking around. You've been digging around the mall. He's been digging around the mall. And he's a kid who found the courage, the intestinal fortitude, to make a difference and change

of the world. the mental health crisis that we're seeing translate into acts of violence, which means increased crime statistics, especially in heavily populated areas, drug use, suicide, gun, name it, gun violence, and those acts name it, is only going to get worse. So this is very simple as a concept. If you train for yourself, if you train for your family, you need to train for your community. And what I've always been dumbfounded, because I've always been the one to kind of, like somebody said,

why do you always seem to be on the scene of accidents helping people? And I went, because if I saw somebody in distress, I would not bypass them. Because I'm trained in first aid and trauma. I'm trained to go to the sound of gunfire. So it's my personal responsibility. But good Samaritans aren't a, thing anymore because of the legal liability, the culture, all the problems. We need to be more

responsible. So every day carry, every damn day, and do so and be trained. And I say this often. I just trained at Little Belt Cattlecoe with Greg. Amazing dude. He's not very tall. He's a little guy. He's cute. He can be standing vertically under this table right now. But you know, he's like Tom Cruise. like he's handsome. He's ruggedly handsome but in like a cute way. I mean, I hit that if I was a woman

and I was little er than him which is very like a midget. I don't even know how to handle that comment right now actually. I told him I wanted him to start a podcast.

I'm sorry, Greg, I apologize for all that. But he's got a horse too. He's got a tiny horse. Are we talking about an animal or his dick? I can see what you did there. Yeah.

His dick. Of course. Tiny little horse. Tiny little horse. Yeah. Yeah, you can't even get a saddle on it. It's so small. Yep.

I'm sorry, Greg. I love you. Greg's fucking awesome, man. I love Greg. And Greg is changing the whole field of ranching and farming. He should do a podcast, not to interrupt you. He should. On just that topic.

I told him, if you did a podcast called Little Belt Cattle Coe and it was farmers, ranchers, but this kind of thing, which I'm super curious about, but just don't have a lot of access to information, it would crush. and he's such a good personality for it. And he can start off like once a month. You know, it doesn't have to like twice a week or once every week. That's it. Just, yeah, you can do once a month.

To me, I know almost nothing about it. So it'd be fascinating just to hear somebody who is entrenched in that talking about it. We had a conversation over a lot of wine the other day. And I was going to, I want to buy cattle for Ben Walker Trading Co, which is my, like, my family business. Because I want to do a different model of business behind cattle. which includes getting to know your food, like literally being able to go out with your family to the ranch, pet your cow,

have you and your family see the process of how they're fed, how they're moved. Hell, get on a horse with Greg and push that cattle. And then when it's time for that cow to be processed, you have a better appreciation. That for me is a better price point, but kind of an innovative thing apparently in this whole industry of,

It's like a factory system. And I think Greg brings that attention with, you know, his special operations background as a seal and bringing that to the cattle industry, which I think is cool. I agree. John, flip around and look at the red recording screen. What's the number at? It's the very top.

How long we've been going? Hour and 40? Hour and 20. We have 10 more minutes. I promise you only 90 minutes because I don't want you to get in trouble. Yeah, I won't get in trouble. Yeah, unless it's over 90 minutes. What do we got?

We've covered a lot. What would be another super easy topic to cover? What does you have going on for Fieldcraft? Not a lot. Just kidding. We got so much. Well, let's talk about what we have going on in Dallas. Oh, yeah.

Dallas is a big deal, man. Because that'll be, if this comes out of Monday, that'll be the Saturday after this episode comes out. It'll still give people the chance to sign up. Oh, yeah, yeah. Dallas, Fort Worth, Texas, me and you are at the Texican. I believe it's a motel. It's an old motel that's been renovated. It's really cool spot.

They remodeled it and they put business centers and conference rooms in there, one that could host 300 plus people, the other host 200 people. And we're doing our standard leadership seminar for those two spaces where you do two blocks of instruction. Yep. I do two blocks of instruction, but the groups rotate out of those. and the cool thing about this besides it's in Dallas, Fort Worth, Texas which is the new headquarters for Phil Crowe survival

You moved it out of Heber? No, we're keeping Hebrew, we're expanding. Okay, this is HQ South. Yeah, I'll call it Outpost. That sounds like a good name. Sure. Call it Philcraft Outpost Fieldcraft. Outpost Fieldcraft.

Yeah, Outpost Fieldcraft. It's a cool opportunity for you to do something, including learn leadership, and then have the ability to break bread with me and you for dinner. And it's a more intimate setting. What I will say about that is it's a bargain because I know you're speaking engagement fee.

Mine's a lot lower than yours. Mine's about a third of what yours was at the top of the game. And the feedback that we were getting, which is good feedback, was, man, my company would have paid a lot of money and we got this opportunity. and those little tidbits were gold. And I think that's the benefit that you'll get

is you're getting, man, a lifetime seemingly of experiences from both of us on leadership, on entrepreneurship, and two different workshops where you get to cross-reference both of them. I believe we're doing lunch, and if you want to, you could stay and pay for dinner. And probably a Q&A with both you and I, right? Yes, of course, yeah.

So this is the third time we've done this, both of the other times we're up in here. Ciber City. Yeah, the feedback has been cool. I actually really enjoy it. My favorite part of all of that, like I could get up at this point as I'm sure you could, and I think we largely did this the very first time. It was just like, boom, leadership, here we go, through the lens of largely the mistakes I have made while in leadership's positions, which was a robust dossier, much thicker than my success stories. But I love the Q&A. I love specific questions on what people are actually dealing with. So you can give them precise feedback that can hopefully make a difference. I don't know how many opportunities. I mean, podcasts are great, but it's you and I talking. We might get near a question that somebody has, but we don't answer it directly, specifically to them and then have more time. The dinners are cool, too, because you get to know people better. I've enjoyed both of them. I'm glad we're doing a third. I think we should do that probably every quarter. Yeah, that's what we're, that's,

the coffee shop actually would be a good place to do one of them as well. Oh, we should do it. We should do that the four, this, it would be the fourth one this year. After it's open. After it's open. Yeah. Okay, that's easy. Yeah, I'm doing, one of the things that I'm putting together now that I'm super proud of is, like the book I'm writing with Penguin Random House has a lot to do with resilience,

because preparedness is this idea of like what happens when you get knocked down. Like, what do you literally do? What do you figuratively do? And I've already forgotten what I agreed to write for your book. Yeah. Situation awareness. Was it situational awareness? I don't remember.

No, it was resilience. Was it? Yep. I don't know much about it either. Did you write it? No. Holy crap. That's due like soon. Oh, really?

You, motherfucker. You said I could talk into the microphone. You can. You can. Because we'll just transcribe what you said. Okay. And then fix it because it will sound like... I forget.

That is good. I forget what topic you asked me to do. It's... Oh, shit. I don't know. Maybe resilience. I think it's resilience, actually. I think it's mindset slash resilience. We'll find out. I'll find out. I'll source the text. You know what it was like a year ago. Here's what I know. It's going to be good.

It's going to be so good. It's going to be so good. Every Navy Sue I've met can write really well. Yes. Because you all got publishing agent, so it's obvious that you write out. Well, when you just make shit up, it's easy to get a book deal. They're all fiction. They're all fiction. Are they though, Mike? Are they? They're for real. I mean, James Reese is a real person. Jack rolled in quite a few people I think into that character

but also he is not trying to make it nonfiction it feels really real because I'm having PTSD from those shows search terminal list it's amazing the detail that he put in there

that I bet goes over a lot of people's heads oh yeah for those that we pay attention to and go yeah they got it right yeah because I'm not yelling

at the screen on Amazon going what in the fuck is going on I'm going oh nice did you see the scene where he got killed. I did. And if you haven't watched the show, I was just kidding about that, but

spoil. Yeah. The author Jack Carr gets killed, not James Reese, which you would know if you read the series, but God, he is a terrible actor. So bad. He's fucking terrible. I would have cut that scene right on the cutting room floor. Yeah. Yanked his residuals right out of it. I think they kind of did cut it. They just kind of like, they're like, he's dead really fast. They gave him the minimum amount of being involved so he would feel like he was a part of it. They're like, Jack, close your eyes. Okay, that's cut. Yeah. That's it. That was, that was. That was. done. It's well done. I'm proud of Jack for that. I'm not proud of Jack for anything. Not a single thing. Apparently the second series that he's writing is going to be on you. The dude's name is Andy.

That would be the single most boring series in the history of us. But it's called Stump. It's not Stumpf. That's what most people call me actually. Hey Stump. Yeah. Like what's up? Your name is Andy Stump and now I just say, yeah. Did you have a call sign? No. We didn't really do that. Oh, really? Why did you guys? do that with OGA? You're having a conversation with somebody and you're like, we're referencing a bunch of it's it's because there's a lot of radio traffic and so nobody everybody who communicates on the radio they want to be able to use a pro word instead of a name. Yeah. Because all the, basically most of the communication is done radio. So you're like, it's like, hey you, this is me. Yeah, it can be snapped up. It's easier to make a one word thing than, you know, there's five mic,

on base and you're like which mic is this what was the best call sign you heard an OGA my first call sign Evan Heyford gave to me and you know it was Gaysian that's powerful okay so but it wasn't for gay Asian it was for giant Asian and and the first no it's for gay Asian my first my first chief was like your call sign is gay Asian combined I was like correct sir um No, it's giant Asian. He's like, oh my God, I'm so sorry. He's like, this dude's going to get an EO complaint.

Like, oh, this is not good. Oh, resilience. I'm hosting a resilience course that I invited you to, but you turned me down. Because I can't make it. I know. You got some stuff to do overseas. I get that. But the premise is a three-day, we call it Resilience Rendezvous,

where it's building resilience. Like, I've built resilience and special operations, preparation courses and preparing young men and women for the challenges of special operations in the military. And it's been very effective. I use some of those techniques. Some, the way I break it down is it's fire, it's hammering, and forging just to give a knife analogy. You got to heat, you got to be more vulnerable. You got to hammer. You have to break them down and expose them to their weakness. And then you got to forge. You got to rebuild them and reshape them. And in that three-day process, everything from cold plunge to heat therapy to optimizing your performance

in different life hacks. It's all going to be a course that we run in Wyoming. It's going to be epic. Well, count me in for the subsequent ones. It'd be fun. It's in mid-November. You were one of the primaries for one of the blocks. But I could just, I mean, I could throw a rock and hit a Navy seal, so it's not. It's accurate. Yeah, I mean, literally, there's another Navy SEAL. John is a Korean Navy SEAL. He hates when I say that. Yeah. But John Park is a Korean Navy SEAL. Like, legitimate. Rock Hard on IG. Go find his IG. You better start that Patreon account. Right now. Rock hard. I mean, that might. I don't, never been on only fans, but I feel like that would be a good name, too. He would crush. He would crush. He would crush. It would be. And you could just take pictures of like rocks.

Yeah. I don't know. I don't know. What fucking people pay for it. But you blur it out. You just blur it out, making it look like, oh, that's weird and it's A rock, but he holds him over his crotch. Like big black rocks? Yeah. You know what I mean, John? Dude. John's not enjoying this particular portion.

We need to get a camera on John. That's what needs to happen. What do we at, John, 1.30? All right. We'll let you guys go get some dinner or get settled in your Airbnb, and then we should find a place to go to dinner tonight. Let's do that. Sunday and Calis Belt, not great options. Yeah.

So we're not doing that. We can do better than pizza. Okay, okay. I believe you. We'll see what happens. Like Papa John's. It's more of a bespoke pizza experience. That's true.

We'll see what happens. What do you want to close it? with. Up to you. Look, I want people to remain optimistic about the future of our country because I think as Americans, the benefit we have is we are freedom-loving human beings. And that's what makes America great. America is not great because of the politicians that run policy. It's not great because of the governors and the mayors or the sheriffs and the chiefs. It's great because of the people. I want people to remain optimistic because that is the fabric of the nation that's going to hold shit together when things fall apart. There will be fringe actors on both sides that do dumb shit, but the moderates where I am, where I lie, where my family lies will be okay.

Boom. Until next time. Peace out.