Cleared Hot - Powered By BRCC - Episode 247 - Robb Wolf

Episode Date: August 22, 2022

Robb Wolf is a former research biochemist and is a 2X New York Times/WSJ Best Selling author of The Paleo Solution and Wired To Eat. Robb has transformed the lives of hundreds of thousands of people around the world via his top-ranked iTunes podcast, books, and seminars. Robb has functioned as a review editor for the Journal of Nutrition and Metabolism (Biomed Central) and as a consultant for the Naval Special Warfare Resiliency program. He serves on the board of Directors/Advisors for: Specialty Health Inc, The Chickasaw Nation's "Unconquered Life" initiative, and a number of innovative start-ups with a focus on health and sustainability. Robb holds a brown belt in Brazilian Jiu-jitsu and is a former California State Powerlifting Champion (565 lb. Squat, 345 lb. Bench, 565 lb. Dead Lift) and a 6-0 amateur kickboxer. Wolf has provided seminars in nutrition and strength & conditioning to a number of entities including NASA, Naval Special Warfare, the Canadian Light Infantry, and the United States Marine Corps.

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at all times in their presence. That's how I feel about Rob. He has a background in what I'm going to call science. He was the first person to genetically sequence DNA. He created the formula for rocket fuel that actually got us ahead in the space race against the Ruskis. And a variety of other things. Now, I don't know if either of those two things that I just said are actually true. I'm pretty sure they're not, but that's how I like to think of Rob.

Crazy smart guy, repeat guest on the podcast. Like I said, background in science. It's also a jujitsu practitioner. I'm very fortunate to be able to train with him on the daily. And that's it. Shut up. Episode 247 with the one and only. Rob Wolf.

Enjoy. Close now. That's how fast we're going, Rob. Perfect. Perfect. Do you have a full podcast set up at your house? Yeah, but not like this because I don't really do the in-person thing all that much other than with my wife. So, yeah.

That works, though. Yeah, yeah. Personal question for you, meaning I have very interested to hear your response to this. How often do you get sick? You know, it's funny. Not that often, but if I stack some travel, like if I, you know, a bunch of time zone change, shaking hands with a lot of people, like a lot of people interaction. I'll get like an upper, you know, like a science affection or something like that. But it's got to be like serial days of travel, like five days of travel,

shitty sleep, maybe some bad alcohol choices and influencing sleep. And then I'll get something. Like, and it's almost like a formulary deal. It's like, oh, yeah, I'm on the fourth day of shitty sleep, lots of people in front of me. And I've got like the sinus infection gig. But other than that, I really don't. I mean, the kids will bring home a cold. And by kids, do you mean the disease vectors?

The disease vectors. Yeah, yeah, the two ever growing like my 10 year old who's five foot two now. So. Unbelievable. I am, I don't get sick that often. God damn it. But that's what I've been fighting, that fucking cough. Right.

And for me, I was asking because I'm curious what you do when you do get sick. Because I go, I have been going, I've been having a hard time sleeping because I'm coughing. Right. So I'm taking the. I usually go. Like I just go full. That's what I was going to ask. Do you trust the over the counter?

Let's just, let's be honest here. You have a deeper understanding of what's happening with the medicine. I go to Walgreens and I will select the dayquil slash NyQuil bundle. Right. Right. And, but I also, I don't enjoy taking it too much because I think I get like a stomach irritation from it. And let's just say it can terminate in the shits if you have too much. And for the last few nights, I've been taking the NyQuil and I'm.

still up coughing anyway. So that's the hardest thing for me is actually getting rest. I don't feel that bad. Right. It's this irritating cough. And since you're basically a scientist, the fuck am I doing wrong here. Well, do keep in mind, it's a bachelor's degree from a state school best known for being Playboy's Party School of the Year in 1987. So that's really kind of the high water mark of my credentials. That's more than I've got. You keep in mind that I barely graduated Santa Cruz High with a 1.8 GPA. Oh, I can't claim that. Fame either, but, you know, it's funny that, you know, in this time of, like, opiate crisis and all that stuff, like, it's really a big deal. But I got to say, like, a codeine cough syrup. Like, if you're just getting absolutely railed upon by, like, a bag cough, it's so weird because there's all this other stuff, like, suedephedra, pseudoephedrin, all these things that help, like, bronchidilators that are in these, like, over-the-counter medications. And the kind of really, God, I've got, like, different things on that.

Go to town, dude. This is why I sit and talk with you, because you actually understand shit. I read the labels and it's like... If you ask me a second time, though, it'll be a completely different answer because I just make it all up on the fly. But like the coating cough syrup will really suppress the cough. It actually, if we look at, like if we get all Kirk Parsley on this and look at sleep architecture, the sleep that you get isn't that disturbed versus like a like a Benadryl or

an anhystamine or something like that really suppresses normal sleep architecture. And so you don't really recover the same way. And this is where even stuff like a little bit of THC or, you know, like CBD or something like that, it doesn't disturb sleep architecture the same way that like, like ambient you are unconscious as if you drank a case of beer. Like it in the sleep architecture is completely. It's a hallucinatory. Yeah. I mean, it is, I could make the case that you'd be better off just staying awake versus using that as like a sleep aid. And there's all these over-the-counter things that are really not that good, but they're trying to be these alternatives to, you know, like the prescription pharmaceutical stuff.

And I'm sure that there's going to be some doctors that are like losing their minds over this. But like we co-evolved with opiates in the environment. We have endogenous opiates in our brain and in our systems. It's hazardous in that they can become addictive, but it's also interesting in that when you look at kind of like the side effects, if they're used within therapeutic ranges, they work really well as paint. meds. They, they, they, uh, if you need some sort of like respiratory suppression to some degree, they work really well so well that you'll kill yourself like, you know, overdoing them and stuff like that. But that's where like something like that, even, um, like with Nikki, we just got some, some shimmed up pillows and like basically built her like, you know, where she was at like a 45 degree

angle so that she could breathe better. But she ended up with that cough thing for like three weeks. Like it's the worst. Super gnarly. Yeah. The sleep to me, the cough is irritating. I'm like, I have a fanny pack pole of ricola which i'm not sure what the fuck is in there but they're tasty probably probably 100% sugar is why but i can't for the i'm on the other side of it like i'm definitely feeling better today is the best i felt in a few days but the disruptive sleep was the absolute worst and as soon as i would lay down yeah it was it was awesome yeah yeah can you get codeine over the counter no not here other places you can but not here i feel like you've traveled with suitcase is full of codeine to stock up the wolf residents. I possibly have a, you know,

maybe overly aggressive like DumeStay bunker on, on, you know, pharmaceuticals like that, you know, topical numbing creams and, you know, if you need a little. I'll send you the text, but like, Rob, I need the Kool-Aid. I have a cough. Meet me at the fire hydrant on second out. The penguin flies low over Paraguay. It's the password. Yeah, it's the worst. I don't get sick that often. And I don't have a diet that is nearly as controlled as yours, because I'm not as crazy as you, obviously. But I also don't suffer from the same issues if you were to ingest a piece of gluten. Personally, I think my body has evolved beyond yours and I can handle gluten. Not that it's great for me, but I don't explosively go out both ends. You know, and I've had numerous people say,

I really wish I had what you had because I'm to make it easier to comply. And I'm like, nah, you really don't want that. Like, you go out and eat a decent meal and somebody did one thing that you didn't really anticipate and then you have the trots for two days is not worth it. Yeah. I think it was 15 years ago. We were at like an Applebee somewhere doing a level one and you were inquiring to the server as to whether or not the stakes that were probably reheated in a microwave were reheated in the same one that had gluten. And I just remember the person's like, oh yeah, yeah, it's totally separate.

You're like, no, no, I need you to actually go check. Right. So, yeah, you're deeply committed to a level that I'm not. Well, when you've been trapped on a plane and, you know, the lavatory is acres away between you and people and you've had a gluten dose, then it kind of tuned you up. You get a lot of gas. The move there is just shit your pants. Yeah. Just let it go.

I could do that. I wonder what they would do if you did that. It would be a bummer for whoever was sitting next to me. It would be a bummer for. reference to the people immediately around me. To everybody on the plane, that would be a bummer. Right. From, I mean, obviously the air on an airplane recycles very rapidly, but that's going to travel.

That'll get around. I mean, I've been on planes where people are changing their kids' diapers and, you know, you. It's so, that's a funny thing because before we had kids, I swore so many things that I would and wouldn't do related to kids. Like, I won't have a fucking stroller and I won't do this and I won't do that. Oh, yes, you will. I'm going to have two strollers for one kid. I had a buddy who, I mean, young children on flights are a challenge, even when they're having a great day.

Yeah. But I had a buddy who was, let's just say earlier in the story arc of his life when it came to growing a family. Right. And he had a flight. He's like, these fucking people who take their goddamn kids on airplanes. And then they had the audacity to take him to a restaurant too. If I ever have kids, I'm never doing that.

that shit. Fast forward literally like two years and it's and he's the one trying to like quiet the uncontrollably just wailing child probably dealing with the pressure issues and the right and the sinuses or just they're that they're not stoked it they're in their time traveling for the first time inside the metal fart box right and I remember it it stuck with me when he first made that and then reconnecting with him a few years later and listening to him it's so hard people just don't understand I'm just like, why don't you shut the fuck up? Welcome to the show, dude.

I remember when John Wellborn had his twins. And I had seen this weird bit of data and I just had to like ping it to him to increase the suffering that he was about to experience. I was like, John, how many hours are there in a week? And he's like, I don't know, there's like 170. I'm like 168. You know, okay. Do you know how much work is involved in dealing with twin babies? He's like, I don't know.

174. Like, 174. And he's like, fuck you. Oh, man. How don't we know if you were going to have? If you wanted to have two kids, maybe twins would be the way to go. Get it done quick. I mean, there's an argument for that.

We were in diapers. Get it jammed out. At my house for over five years straight. Yeah. Yeah. Because my oldest is just getting ready to turn 19. My middle son turned 17. My daughter is 14.

So it would be just like Seeing the edge of like I don't think we need the diaper bag for this trip Oh yes we do for the younger one And then just and then yeah I think it was like five years When my daughter was born My middle son and my daughter

You have two girls right? Yeah okay Are you guys gonna add a third? No no If we had been five years younger Or a little quicker to the off the mark We would have but yeah There's a difference between man on man

defense and zone. Right. And the kids know it. And my daughter and my middle son have always had a very, the polite way to say it would be antagonistic relationship. When we brought Julia home from the hospital, we were living in base housing. The same house that took tie back into well-born came and sat at like a propane fire pit in the backyard and we created the first workouts for CrossFit football. Okay. Okay. Crazy tie-in, how all of the worlds are interconnected. My middle son, Tyler, and I hope he hears this one day in his life, he was so mad that he had a baby sister, that he went underneath our dinner table and assumed an overhead squat position on the bottom and just laid cable right on the kitchen floor. Just took a massive heater right on the floor and then scurried out from underneath. I don't know what the fuck he did after that, but I was just watching this happen thinking,

oh, I don't know if this is going to get any better as they get older. This may be the high watermark of their relationship. I couldn't they only go down. I'm like, dude, you're like three years old and you're taking retaliatory shits in the kitchen because your sister is here. I never understood. So I was kind of an only child. I had several older siblings from both. My dad had a previous marriage.

My mom had a previous marriage. So I had lots of siblings. Mixed family. But the next closest person was 10 years older than me. So I was basically an only child. And so I never been particularly religious, but you know, you'd end up put in Sunday school and you hear these stories about like Canaan and Abel. And I'm like, I think having a brother would be great. Like that'd be a lot of fun.

You have someone to play with and everything. Not looking at my cousins who literally chased each other around with claw hammers. And if they hurt each other, they kept it under wraps because whatever they did to each other was less bad than what my uncle would do to them for doing what they did to each other. So I just didn't connect all this stuff until I had our kids. And then I see them go at each other. I'm like, oh, I totally get it. I see how they would murder each other. And then say, well, God told me to do it.

Or, you know, yeah, it's. The craziest part about the story that you just told is that how acceptable chasing each other with claw hammers used to be. This was like, I spent a ton of time with my cousins. They were remarkably formative in who I am as a person. And claw hammer chasing, baseball bat chasing, just winging a rock at somebody when they're not really looking. Yeah, rock fights. Yeah, rock fights. Split up into teams, rock fights.

Hey, don't throw them at each other's head. Okay, well, I'm not accurate enough to throw a rock to even probably barely hit you. I was aiming for a shoulder. Or about, did you ever do BB gun fights where you would agree? It was like, hey, just neck down. And there's like welts on people's, you know, on their eyebrow or on their cheekbone, just right underneath losing. an eye. I just remember field surgery taking it out of people's like forearms and stuff, you know, and then I'm like, oh, my football arm pads. I'm going to wear those next time. The measures that I would

go to not inform my parents of the fuckery that I was involved with and the consequences, yeah, we were full triaging at the age of like 10. That's a good point because I remember walking out of my bedroom with a BB gun and we lived in rural Northern California, but it, but it wasn't that rural, you know, It was like Main Street thoroughfare. And they're like, where are you going? I'm like, oh, we're just going to go shoot BB guns. And I have my football gear and my football helmet and arm pads and all this stuff. And they're like, okay.

They had to have known. They had to have known. Yeah, but they were just happy enough that I was out of the house that they're like, I don't care. It's a different time. It was a different time. Like, I wonder what would happen in Main Street Calispell, which is kind of rural-ish. I mean, it's a town, but it gets. It gets a little hill rotty.

Right. So you get east and west or north and south, a little methie in those directions as well, too, depending on what you're into. But in like any modern city, I wonder what would happen if a gang of little fuck what bandits are just armed to the teeth with BB guns. I feel like they would get the cops called on. It would be a call out for sure. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I had to ride a good three to four miles with my BB gun like in my handlebars as I'm cruising along with my football helmet.

Yeah, it was just ridiculous. I remember in the summer getting on my bike, like we lived up in, we lived in Sebastopol, California for a bit. That's actually where we were. I was at, my mother refused to let me play football when I was young because it was too dangerous. Smart move. Because it was too dangerous. Well, I got paralyzed briefly. Well, briefly being two weeks, nothing below the neck. We'll get back to that story. Yeah, yeah. Bruce spine and a whiplash in a good, spicy traumatic brain injury.

Head-to-head contact? Yeah. So my mom. didn't want me to play football when I was younger. I was like, yeah, Roger, that's too dangerous. I'm going to go in the military. I'll be a seal. I mean, I had not connected those full disclosure at that time later on in life. I was like, hmm, I don't think they're so connected but checkmate. But she let me play one time and I was actually tying my shoelace when the earthquake hit, the San Andreas earthquake. And I'm like, somebody fuck with me holding on my pads. Shortly thereafter we moved back to Santa Cruz because my dad's father had a masonry company It was actually started by his father's long story, but deep ties in Santa Cruz.

Like SoCal High School in Santa Cruz, my family built that. Oh, wow. Wow. Yeah, my dad was in one of the first classes that they actually split because I think it was just Santa Cruz High. So they split and he went to Soquel. Point of all that is when we were living in Sabaspool and it was the summertime and I could not have been more than like eight years old, maybe 10 maximum on a bike, packing a lunch.

By that I mean a brown paper bag full of 100% sugar products. laughy taffy, gum. And I would be gone until the sun was down. And I don't remember my parents being that concerned about it. Right. I just, I would say that that was maybe a little bit of unreasonable lack of oversight. But then there's also the world that we live in today. And it sucks because I wish I wish I could trust the world to allow my kids to experience that as well.

Because it was fucking awesome. Yeah, it really was. Kind of two thoughts on that. I mean, that was right before kids ended up on milk cartons. It's like, this kid is missing, that kid is missing, and like this just terror, you know, of like child abduction and all the stuff. Which is it as a parent is probably the worst fear that there is. Absolutely. Absolutely.

I talked to a couple of folks, like one of their kids got mad at them and hid for six hours. I mean, just like Ninja, you know, smoke bomb, boom, disappeared. couldn't find the kid for six hours and they really thought that the kid had been nabbed you know because of the circumstances and like you could still just see the the terror on this dude's face like like recounting this stuff but there was like there was that campaign around child abduction and like ending up on on you know the milk carton and it and then the other thought around that I remember reading this piece it was talking about Scottish kids and it was like our grandparents' generation had a 25-mile radius that they would range from their home.

Then, like, the parents would, it was like a 10-mile radius, and now today's kids is less than a mile radius that they tend to range from home. And I really try to instill, like, some work ethic and resilience and all this stuff with my kids. But one thing that I notice is that they, even though I try to introduce situations for them to problem solve, they're not that great at like on the fly problem solving. We are there so much we homeschool. Yeah. Well, how old are they?

Eight and ten. That'll develop over time. It will, but I was into so much fuckery by the, like burning things, blowing things up. Like my parents at 10 or 12 bought me a kit for making rocket fuel to make your own rockets. And of course we made rockets. I mean bombs. That was it. We just blew stuff up. And there was a bunch of stuff that we screwed up and we had to figure out, well, what are we going to do so that we get our ass out of this sling? And I don't think my kids could do that yet. Like they've been coddled enough that and that's really the stuff, you know, like you're traveling and power goes down.

And you have to figure out how you're going to get to somewhere safe or, you know, whatever. Like that's the stuff that I think is maybe the, maybe the most. most important thing to have, just that adaptability on the moment. And even though we try to introduce opportunities for that with our kids, that unsupervised period of time, you know, from like waking up until dinner time, basically, like, that was a lot of time for us to just go out and talk shop and get in trouble and then figure out how to get out of trouble. And I remember we'd maybe start some small structure fires here and there and manage to put them out before like anybody noticed. And but you had to, you know, it was, you know, we're farting around doing stuff and then something

gets out of hand and it's like, oh, shit, how do we deal with this? You know, and I look back and that's some of the main things I think that have carried me forward today. More than a science degree and more than a lot of other stuff was that unsupervised period of time where we got in trouble and then figured out how to get out of it. I don't think a lot of life or death decisions are going to come down to the science degree. Probably not. Well, if you think of like our, think of your last week.

I mean, how many times, other than maybe professionally or occupation, especially working with element, you know, there's probably some science and how much salt you should put in the water. It's another way you can give yourself the shits, FYI. I've found my limits on that. Very environment dependent, though, because in Costa Rica, I can have a lot more. Here in Montana, I'm tapped out at three. Yeah. At about two and a half, I go, oh, that was a mistake.

Don't sneeze. Yeah. But it's, in that last week, how often do you? you fall back on your degree other than occupationally? Probably not much, is my point. Not at all, man, yeah. But you'll fall back to common sense problem solving. One of the biggest things I appreciated about my parents is I'm pretty sure they had a good idea what I was up to.

Right, right. And they would step in from time to time. But it was when I was getting to a place where, hey, not that I, well, I did actually start a few small structures on fire and I put them out. But I use that as an analogy, I maybe would start. a doghouse on fire, but not burn down the neighborhood. Maybe they'd stop me at that point. But they would let me make my mistake, and they'd also let me problem solved, but they were there to boundary that massive catastrophic error, as opposed to literally hoving over the top of me

where you have the shadow, one inch to the left or right, and you don't have the opportunity or ability to actually make decisions. My dad would always, you know, he's just like, hey, man, figure it out. Right. And I, and the example you were saying, like, you're traveling and the power goes out, which I'm going to call adversity. I try to flip the switch on that in my own head, and this has worked well for me, and I try to do it with my kids.

I just view adversity as adventure. Right. Like, let's say you're on a road trip, and I travel professionally, and I know that you've traveled, fuck, we've traveled professionally together many years ago when we were working for a unnamed organization. And shit happens. Like, oh, my God, I'm delayed for six hours. I'm not going to make my flight.

You can look at that as the worst thing that's ever happened to you, or okay, cool. I mean, what can I control? I'm going to figure out a different way. I'll look at how far it is to drive. I might go run a car and still get there. And that's the way that I try to view things with my kids. Like, shitty shit's going to happen in your life, which you probably can't control. But what if you treat it like an adventure as opposed to something that's horrendous in front of you?

And let's war game. What are the options? Like, you're in the middle of the airport and the power goes. And then I also have this additional there. I'm like, adversity that we can turn into adventure. there may be times in life where things get a little bit more unsafe. I might call that a crisis. It might not be a great word for that.

But in that moment, life is going to reward the people who make the decision first. Right. And then move. And you can get momentum building and you can audible on the way. And there's only been a few times where I'm like, stop talking, no decisions right now. We're going to get in front of something and then I'm going to release it back. Hopefully to show them that lesson that sometimes the best thing you can do is actually just make a decision and play on. on the fly after that.

Right. While the rest of the lemmings are in line, a thousand people deep. It's, you don't wanna be that person. Right, right. There's a great, I'm blanking on the name of the book, but it talks, it, uh, interviewed and surveyed people from like 9-11 to earthquakes,

like all around the world looking at how people respond to crisis. Yeah. And, and, and early movers and even, you know, my brother-in-law is a great saying it's a do something, even if it's wrong. And to some degree, it's true. You know, it's like, just that paralysis and inactivity because at least if you start moving forward and you're like,

okay, the noose is tightening, you know, very similar to when I'm rolling with you most days. It's like, okay, I went this way and it's getting worse. I'll go that. Oh, well, shit, it got worse too. Maybe I wanted you to go the other way. Maybe. But at least you're doing something and then you can start iterating off of that. And this is, again, something that I notice with my kids.

If I can get them some momentum going forward, just do something. but if they sit there and they get into this paralysis mode, it's really hard to get them back out and to get them creatively thinking or doing anything iterating off of the situation. Yeah. I think adversity when you're young is essential for your development. And it seems like, trust me, I'm not a sociology major

by any stretch, but it seems like there is a massive effort to remove adversity, any level of adversity. Right. Physical discomfort. You don't need to go to the store, Rob. Here's an app. And I'm not, I'm not, trust me. I like me some Doordash and Uber eats, especially when I'm on the road.

Right. And the coffee at the hotel sucks because I can go, beep, bo, beep, and at least get something that's better. But I think there are people that's their primary way to get food. Physical discomfort. It's like, oh, don't do that to yourself, let alone an argument, a face-to-face argument, not an online argument, but a face-to-face argument. I don't think it's a good thing to round the edges on everything. I'm also not saying that we should be out there with hatchets and axes lopping each other up over, you know, who crossed the street or cut you off in traffic.

Right. But maybe we could find a balance in between those things. I think our society would be way, way better off if we embraced a little adversity. Yeah, I mean, and again, I'm not a sociologist, but some of the stuff I've taken in around that, like the... It's weird because you don't want to see bad things happen to your kids. Like, you really don't, even though you know that they need some of this stuff for development and like you would really like to be able to measure the dose and be able to have some boundaries around what the worst case scenarios are

and you don't always have that option. But these kids that are kind of helicopter-parented, they are crippled with anxiety later because they really don't feel any sense that they can do anything. Well, we have a pill for that. And apparently the whole field of antidepressants was bullshit. I don't know if you saw that. But just not as a complete, like, hipfake or topic switch, but, you know, in the follow the science deal, like the SSRI, like antidepressants, you have a chemical imbalance, bullshit.

Like, completely. And the funny thing about that is there have been people, like, in the alternative medicine scene for a good 20 years, they're like, I don't know that this, like, chemical imbalance thing really makes sense. And, you know, and there may actually be some really gnarly side effects to this stuff. And then Alzheimer's drugs. In Alzheimer's disease, there's this beta amyloid plaque that grows in the brain and it was thought that that was a thing causing the problem in Alzheimer's. That's actually an adaptive response trying to mitigate the damage that's occurring. And so there's been 30 years of drug development and pharmaceutical development oriented towards going after this particular type of protein that develops in the brain. And most of that appears to have been based off of fraudulent data at the very beginning of studying Alzheimer's.

So these were two biggies within the last month that kind of follow the science, you know, and there's a pill for that. It's like, well, chances are the pill for that was based off of bad science and is probably worse for you than doing nothing. It's interesting when people say follow science or follow the science. one is much broader and the other one seems to be tied to things that they have researched that that align with hoped upon outcome yeah yeah i have nothing but respect for science and medicine and i and i want to believe that people in those fields have like altruistic desires but i also don't think it's unfair to say that we know far less about ourselves as like a species than we care to admit You know, there's like that general, like, broad knowledge, like, how much do we understand really about, like, the economy or human physiology or whatever? There's huge gaps in there. But even with the stuff that we do understand. So there's this half-life concept.

If you take caffeine, I consume 100 milligrams of caffeine. In toxicology, there's this term called half-life, which, how long does it take your body to metabolize it so that you go from 100 milligrams of caffeine in your body to 50 milligrams of caffeine? The population average on that is eight hours within humans. It's like, okay, that's great. For 100 milligrams? Just the general half-life. What would that be in relation to a cup of coffee? Usually a cup of coffee is like 200 milligrams for like a good stout.

So you're talking half a cup of coffee, eight hours to get it to the half-life? To get to the half-life, yeah. Generally, across the whole population. If you consume caffeine more often, usually your body ramps up a little faster and gets more efficient in dealing with it. But you have some people that will, their half life is four hours. So they're, you know, they're like Wolverine. They drink caffeine six hours later. Like it's out of their system. And you have people that are 36 hour half life. And when they, they're like, oh, I can't drink coffee. Like if I drink some today, I won't sleep tomorrow and tonight. That's a real thing. That's a real thing.

And so, and not everything in physiology and medicine has that. type of a spread, but you just look at something pretty generic run of the mill, like, well, how long is caffeine in your system and what could, how could that influence you? Like your sleep, how wound up you are and stuff like that. And there's a massive difference. Like if you happen to, and this is where like so much of modern science, they do this bell curve average. And if you happen to be exactly the bell curve average that is representative of all the aggregate

data, then that's great, but almost nobody is. if you happen to be one of the weirdos at the extremes, the shit that they're telling you to do is likely to kill you or harm you because the rules really don't apply to you at that point. Like the, it's somebody finger wagging about you shouldn't drink coffee at afternoon, you know, at 1 p.m. because it's going to screw up your sleep. Well, if you're the fast metabolizer, it has no bearing on you. Like, it doesn't apply. If you're the slow metabolizer in your 36 hours, like you shouldn't even look at a cup of coffee.

Yeah, you know. And again, not everything has a spread like that, but a lot of shit does. Like, that's a met, that's a 10-fold difference. You know, if we fiddle the numbers on it a little bit, four hours to 36 hours, like it's nearly a 10-fold difference, nine-fold difference in how you respond to that. And there's similar responses to exercise and carbohydrate tolerance and the way that people's lipids respond to how much fat or the type of fat that they eat. But what science still does is, It tries to get a ton of people together and aggregate that data. And then it almost is meaningless for the singular individual. And there's been some interesting papers written suggesting that we should largely abandon this big population-based research, the way that it's been happening for the last 30 years. Like, it's really not telling us that much more because each person is not the population average. We are an individual and we have to actually tackle it as an individual to get anything. meaningful out of it. Yeah.

It also seems like, and maybe more so than people realize, if you get a group of professionals or scientists or doctors in a room and they're discussing a topic, if there's a hundred of them, there's not just one opinion. Right. There is dissent among the professionals. And I don't want to get crazy conspiratorial, but I'm going to talk about COVID for a second. I heard Joe talking a bunch about, he's reading the book, the real, or yeah, the real Tony. Anthony Fauci?

Yeah, something like that, which I suspect he's actually listening to as opposed to reading. That's son of a bitch likes to blur those two. And I was like,

all right, I'm going to check. I had some flights come out, I'll check it out. It's not the quickest read, and I'm only a little bit into it. And the reason I even bring it up

in the first place in that analogy of having 100 doctors into a room, there's a lot of things that are discussed in that book. And I'm not advocating people going out and getting it if they want to. It's certainly, probably with any piece of literature about any topic.

You can tell the slant that it comes from. And I look at the book like that and when I read it and I try to be cognizant of where the person who wrote the book is coming from, you know, just to try to be as objective as possible on a subject matter that you can tell has some subjectivity woven into it. Right. And it was talking about the early days of treatment for COVID. and the desire by some, I can't even, I can't even put a quantity to the sum who wanted to fully go a vaccinated route, later treatment, wait until people were needing to be administered into the hospital to be put onto a ventilator, as opposed to those who wanted to treat early. and it's incredible to see and have heard a huge community of science backing one position where the vaccine is going to be our way out of this.

And a huge community of science saying the vaccine may be awesome, but right now we have drugs that we can use for off-label, which the vast majority of drugs, once they're FDA approved, I was shocked to find out that they're, it's like, I think it was like somewhere between 30 to 60 percent or prescribed for off-label use, so not the exact intended purpose. But these two, the scientific communities are arguing. And then you have the ties of individuals into politics, the ties of the money associated with the vaccine, how little we know about the MRI type of stuff.

Right. When it's actually applied to human beings, it's, if people seem to, especially in the, in the middle of the trenches of the pandemic, if you will, holy shit. If you did not align with their particular thoughts and, you know, maybe wanted to go a layer. deep on the onion. It was difficult because a lot of the times I think what was happening is, one, people were scared and people like really fucked up decisions and say stupid shit when they're scared. So I get that and I can give them a little bit of grace for that. But there wasn't a lot of depth or understanding to their knowledge, I think necessarily on each side. And it was just crazy to see the back and forth. And I wonder if there's ever going to be a post-mortem or we take

a very objective. And I don't know how we would do it. Because on one side, the people who wanted to, it seems. And again, I'm paraphrasing the book and where I'm at it. It has to be double blind. Has to be this huge study. Pacebo controlled. And they're like, yeah, Roger that. There's a place for that. But we have all these things right now. And it's just like they couldn't, they couldn't meld the bridges. Right. On those things. And the lack of, you know, you have a doctor arguing with another doctor. I'm an idiot. How the fuck am I supposed to know who's right? Right. no it's like I'm fairly good at that stuff but like if I have a computer issue or like a network you know something's wrong with the network that you know I'm in a building and like the files are in the computer yeah and the two network administrator guys are talking about the DNS code this out and the other like I just have to defer to them that one of them actually knows what they're talking about you know because they're so far outside my my scope but the interesting thing about that is I can sit them down and say, okay, what do you recommend I do

that's going to resolve this issue? And what do you recommend I do that's going to resolve this issue? And then we have this fairly objective. And if I do it right, like what, here's your hypothesis. How do we test that? If that's not it, what? And so we can get like an AB test on both sides and maybe go two or three layers deep. And I think that on this, this COVID topic, Like we had a lot of interesting things like these natural experiments like the the crown princess cruise ship. You know, like we were being told that this thing was going to have certain transmissibility, a certain fatality rate and everything. But we had this group of people that were on this boat. And these boats are notorious for like spreading things around.

Like they are not like an airplane. They don't scrub their air. It's a petri dish. It is a petri dish. If you've ever been on a cruise, you know what I'm talking about. It's a fucking petri dish. I mean, unless you go to Alaska, like it's always in warm environment. So it's literally a petri dish.

And it was bad. And the, you know, the older, sicker people tended to die. The older sicker people tended to get more sick. But it wasn't 100% transmissible. It wasn't remotely like a 30 or 60% case fatality rate. It looked like a very, very bad flu, like maybe a two or three X of a very nasty flu. And that thing disappeared. Like it was just gone.

And we had lots of other natural experiments. Like we had, because the MRNA vaccine rolled out in westernized countries first, and there were challenges around like refrigeration and just paying for it and whatnot. A bunch of other places did a variety of other things, including like hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin. And so you had periods of time where they were not using the vaccine, and they had certain results, and then they managed to get the vaccine. And then interestingly, the results got worse.

Yeah, rebounded. That's actually the point. Yeah. Have you read the book? I have not, but I've followed it's, I think that one's Robert F. Kennedy's. It is. Yeah. And so I've followed him a long time on this and a few other people in that scene.

And this is where it's not a randomized controlled trial. And then even to that tune, there have been questions around, say, like hydroxychloroquine and Ivermectin and whatnot, that the United States and the C-Ectin and the C-Ectin. CDC, NIH were beautifully positioned to answer questions around, and they never did. They never ran the studies. And when they did do some of this stuff, it was very poorly done, and the data collection was pretty shoddy, so it didn't actually answer questions like the, it's really weird the way that this stuff has rolled out. But yet you still have very credible people on both sides of the story, making arguments

in cases that seem really compelling one way or the other. But we do have these. This is kind of the cool thing. I like decentralization. Like when Bill Clinton was in office, there was this push for like this massive welfare reform. And what he ended up doing was kicking the welfare reform back to each state. So the states were tasked with like a five-year period of basically trying to develop a new system for like how they were going to do stuff. Maybe you needed to do some work.

Maybe you need to do some work education. You know, maybe they needed to ask you questions about, well, okay, you're a single mom with two young kids. So like your window of time that you're going to be on, public assistance is just going to be longer and all this stuff. And there were absolute disasters in this thing. But then there were a couple of states that did some really cool, innovative stuff.

And then that was largely picked up and administered at the federal level. And it's kind of gotten fucked up as time has gone on. But like it was a real legitimate reset. But it was 50 different reaction vessels going. Instead of this one size, it's all, oh, we've got this figured out. And like, everybody gets a size 10 shoe. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Whether you're, you know, whether your foot is a 14 or a four. Yeah, that sucks for both you. It sucks for both. For a size 10, they're like, this is amazing. Right. Yeah. And so, you know, that stuff is interesting. And I've, as I've shifted like in what I'm up to, one, I try not to get canceled.

And then two, I still try to like push that. that we don't really understand the world quite the way that we think we do. You know, like I'm in this controversial space of suggesting that ruminant animals, cows and bison and camels and all this stuff aren't actually destroying the planet and we should probably properly manage them and it may actually be a mitigating feature of climate change. And people think that's crazy and very smart, credible people, huge institutions say that that's nuts. And then you have other people like myself and people much more credible than my

myself suggesting that no, actually, you know, there's evolutionary biology cases for this, and we've done research that shows that well-raised grazing animals actually put more carbon in the soil than what is released. And it's a fascinating process to both be in that, but also to try to step back and get some perspective on it and just kind of see where the stuff goes and how people are swayed. And we're in an interesting time where I feel like the simple answer that is more interventionist is the one that people want more. People want more of a sense that somebody's in control, somebody's managing this stuff. There's somebody that's got, you know, somebody is in charge of this stuff.

It's this infantilized view of the world. Like kids have this just ingrained sense that like, whether it's God or nature or people or whatever, that there's somebody somewhere doing something running the world. And this is one of the big wake-up calls as you grow up. one day you look around and you're like, this is like a snowball rolling downhill and it just keeps rolling. Like there's not actually anybody in charge. There's not, there's way less, you know, difference between where we're at now and like utter chaos. There's a pretty thin veneer between that. And that's one of the big differences between an adult and still a child is this

infantilized view of the world. And so many of these complex topics, whether it's economics or climate change or health or, you know, COVID, there's, the shift has been towards this infantilized view of the world, which is super dangerous. And clearly, I have a bias. Like right there, like I'm exposing my bias. Like, I think that's a bad thing. Everybody has bias. Yeah, yeah.

It's whether or not you can accept and recognize that your bias impacts how you think and the actions that you take. And whether or not you can accept somebody saying, hey, I think you might be coming at this from a biased position. You go, fuck you, man. Fuck you. I know more than you do. You're a cuck.

It's my favorite word, by the way. I've been using it so frequently. It just had a podcast two days ago with Hayford. Evan Hayford. Apparently it's his favorite thing for his wife to call him too. So we, man, such improper and voluminous use of the word cuck. Probably an interesting backstory behind that, which I don't care to look into. Oh, fuck.

To tie into the cuck topic, not to get totally off it, but my middle son yesterday, God, I love watching them learn these lessons. Yesterday, he learned a lesson about taxes. He was so, he's got a job locally up at Sacred Eats. So he's just first time working, you know, in a kitchen cooking stuff, interfaced with people on the, the till. He, I'm going to describe him as money hungry. And I feel comfortable doing that because that's how he describes himself. And apparently Thursday is payday.

We're recording this on a Friday. So this was yesterday. And at like 9 o'clock at night. He's like, hey, I'm going to go get my check. I'm like, what the fuck are you talking about? It's 9 o'clock. Why don't you wait until tomorrow? He's like, no, I want to see the numbers now.

I think could be earning interest for me right now. Yeah, at the bank that I'll deposit it at tomorrow. So he goes and gets it and he opens it up. And he's got a little bit of a potty mouth on. I'm working on it. And first thing he came, he's like, what the fuck? And he's just like, this is bullshit. $1,400 or whatever.

I forget the exact amount. And he's like calling his buddy. They're comparing. He's just like, what's this? What's this Medicare shit? What is this federal withholding? And I'm just sitting there just like, ah, ha ha ha ha. Welcome to the show, buddy.

And he was actually being a little dickhead about it. And I told him, like, hey, man, you're kind of acting like an asshole right now. So I left him alone to go figure out process and figure out the taxing structure with his other teenage friend who they're just, they're like comparing numbers. and I guarantee, you know, one column is year to date and one of them was that paycheck. And I'm listening to them. And they're switching them back and forth. So I'm just like, this is fucking awesome.

Awesome. So I go lay down on the bed and he comes in later on. He brings it with me. He's like, he's like, sorry, I was in a bad spot. Sorry about being an asshole. And he's like, can you explain this to me? He's like, why? He's like, this is what I made, but this is what I'm getting.

And we're at Thai and like federal withhold. I'm like, so this is federal withholding. You know, this is your Montana state withholding. This is your Medicare. This is your Social Security. He goes, what is Social Security for? I'm like, well, you need to pay into the Social Security account so that when you get to that retirement age or Social Security age that you have money, you know, getting paid back out to you. And he's like, why is federal tax so much?

And I'm like, I don't actually have a great answer for you on that one other than we spend our ass off. But don't worry, we're totally in debt as a country. And he's just quiet for a second. He goes, he's fucking tax cucks. And Leah happened to be in the room. We, I'm like, there's a point as being a parent, like you're probably supposed to keep your shit together. Dude, I was crying. And Leah just dying, laughing because the word does not mean anything like that.

Right. But it was so beautifully applied just in a non-sequitur fashion that I couldn't take it. And the joy that I felt. watching him realize the pain. And then we had a conversation, like, hey, man, does a million dollars seem like a good amount of money to you? He's like, oh, yeah, that's more money than anybody's ever made. I'm like, that'll change over time.

But guess how much money you'd have to make in the United States to have a million dollars in your bank account? He's like, a million dollars. Like, no, you probably need to make over two to actually net a million in your account. He's just like, well, that's bullshit. Like, well, you're the next generation. can go change that for all of us. I'm not seeing a flat tax in our, 10% flat tax in our future. No.

That's hilarious. Oh, God. It was awesome. That is awesome. On that parenting side, I don't know if this is going to be genius or terrible, but early on I told my kids, I'm like, there aren't good words, there aren't bad words. There's just consequences around the words you use. And so if you're around grandpa, if you're around your friends, we don't say this sweet

of words generally. If you get very frustrated or stung by a bee, then we can pull this stuff in, just need to be grammatically correct. And so far it's been pretty good. And I remember as a kid, you know, like the whole good word, bad word thing. Like it was very odd. Like it's like, well, it only applies when you're around adults when you're a kid. Yeah. To act as if the kids your age don't sit there and know every single word. Right. Which they learn from their parents, by the way. Right. The teetotototlers who was saying good word, bad word, who are on a phone. conversation with one of their buddies just cussing up a storm like a sailor. Right. And I just never felt comfortable with that. And so we'll, again, we'll see how this

works out. Our kids are probably going to, we've been homeschooling, but we're going to do this split program. It's kind of faith-based. And I told them, I'm like, when you land there, we don't pull anything out of this suite of nomenclature. Boy, there will be consequences. There will be bad consequences there, you know. So we'll see how they navigate that. Yeah, just don't fool yourself to think that they don't know them. They do because they hear them from me all the time, you know, and they use them. You know, what's been interesting is how selectively they do apply them.

They're more powerful that way. They really are. Yeah. Instead of wearing the tread off of them. Yeah, it's the foundation of your vernacular. It has far less impact. I always just tried to de-stigmatize it. Occasionally, my ex-wife and I would have a dinner.

And it's like for the next 20 minutes. like I'm actually curious like let it rip what do you know and they would do like can you I'm like do you have combos can you do a two word combo three word there was some pretty impressive and also again non sequitur that I'm just I'm crying laughing as a pair I'm like okay cool and just so you guys know the hour or 20 minutes is now over don't say that shit so that all goes back in the bottle yeah but it I think they would be it would be like watching a pot of water boil over the top with the foam because they would really realize they're like, oh, yeah, we're going to do it.

And just firing Elon Musk rockets out into space. And then, okay, yeah, we're good. Back to kindergarten. Right, right. You think they'll ever be honest? And again, and I preface this question with, I don't think that people who are developing vaccines have, I don't think they're twisting their mustache,

trying to figure out a way to microchip the human race, which is an awesome conspiracy theory that I've heard. Maybe they are. I don't know. I'm not saying I'm an expert. I don't think that they are. But do you think they'll ever be honest about some of the side effects that are pretty readily apparent that have come from the COVID-19, which seems to be one of the fastest ways to get yourself censored when you are very forward-facing with that? Yeah. It's interesting in that I think you would be hard-pressed. It's hard to suggest that there hasn't been some significant information suppression. And some people are okay with that. They're like, well, those people are idiots.

misinformation, they should have their information suppressed. Now I'm exactly the opposite. I'm like, no, the idiots should talk and then we should. It shows you how dumb they are. It shows you how dumb they are. I think that this is one of the genius parts of part of our constitution and Bill of Rights is the right to assemble. Because if nothing else, like you can blow off some steam and then really if you want to

twist the mustache a little, but it's like, okay, those are the assholes we really do need to keep an eye on, you know, to some degree. So they're both blown off steam and it's an opportunity to see people in real life, you know, getting together versus needing to infiltrate them and keeping them underground and all this stuff. But, you know, it, one, and interesting thing now is we get further down range on all this stuff. So actuarial tables like life insurance, you know, how many people die in this age group under any given, you know, time frame. Those things are so well documented. Like it's one of the largest industries in the world. Like it.

Insurancees? Insurance is. It's massive. They would need to have their math super tight because they're basing all of their premiums and payouts off that. Absolutely. And so it's both massive. It is structural to like our financial system because people do, they do stupid shit like buying the insurance against mortgage back securities that got us into like the 2007, 2008 thing.

So there's a lot of fuckery that happens there. but people really know their numbers. And like we know, so if you're 18 to 45 and you're a male, we know so precisely the, not whether you specifically are going to die, but your cohort, how many people are going to die? And probably how? Yeah, yeah, great number, you know, mainly accidents because you are young and then maybe these weird cancers.

And it's super consistent year over year. We've been tracking this data since 1920s, 1930s, 1930s at a really sophisticated level. So these things are really pretty bulletproof. And what we're seeing now, like 300% increase in cancers among 18 to 45-year-olds, 280% increases in this type of death, this type of illness. And what's interesting is you can, let's say that in the beginning of COVID, it was politically expedient to make the case count look really, really high to get people scared.

Of course, nobody would do that, but let's just for the sake of argument. Or change the term to get people to pay attention. Whatever floats your boat. However that stuff goes. But then when you start rolling out vaccines, it's now not so politically expedient to have a super high case count because you want to make it look like this shit works. And so now we have to kind of, you have to go back and start changing things and modifying things. but on these actuarial tables, it's really hard to fuck with that.

It's like you're either dead or you're not. Like that's the beauty of like a hard endpoint of like that. And what are you dead from? You know, and that can get a little bit squirly. Like did the person die with COVID or from COVID and different things like that? But when you start seeing like these blooms of cancer and autoimmune disease and myocarditis, pericarditis, and it just like the rates of, of that. So what all this stuff, the way that it's occurred, it's what's called a four sigma

event, a three or four sigma event. And it's like three or four standard deviations outside the norm. A three or four sigma event is starting to get into the realm of like winning the lottery every time you buy a lottery ticket. So mathematically improbable. It's so improbable that it's random. Like this is not a random event that these people are dying in these numbers within this age group and all this stuff. And so what's kind of interesting, like the, I think that I'm accurate in this, but I think that the numbers that are within the insurance industry dwarf the numbers that go into pharmaceuticals, even though pharmaceuticals are huge, I think the insurance stuff still is much larger. It's backbone to the economy and all this type of stuff.

And those folks are going to be pissed about the payouts and the catastrophic impact that their industry is experienced in this situation. Here's kind of an interesting parallels. So like Impossible Burger has been making all these claims around sustainability with its, you know, synthetic meat, dealing all this stuff. The securities and exchange commission, the people who look at like investing and doing, you know, not doing funny things. with money, they're going after, it's either Impossible Burger or Beyond Burger, I forget, Beyond Foods or Impossible Foods, because they're making this claim of sustainability, which they have no data to support. And so it's funny that it's like the money brokers are the ones that are doing a better job of like reining in this bullshit around claims of sustainability than like the science, the scientific community is. because at some point, once you become a publicly traded company, like the SEC is really beholden to get that shit right and to protect people. So if you're making a claim around sustainability, you need to be able to support that.

And similarly, when we're talking about this health stuff, if the insurance companies, if the life insurance companies, if the health insurance companies are getting fleeced because of the, you know, maybe complications with either the virus or the vaccine or, the lack of trade, you know, whatever the stuff is. But when there's this massive new signal that's occurring, you can't hide that. So there will be an accounting. Like there's a little super long, you're like, well, there will be an accounting on this thing at some point. I think that folks are going to fight it like crazy. This is one thing that makes me a little bit nuts around the COVID topic is there's some

people that are like, oh, it's the Wuhan virus and, you know, kind of. The United States funded gain of function research in China. Now, the question should be, why the fuck are we doing that? What can we? And the best explanation that I've had of that is that it's cheap, it's easy, it's publishable, and scientists gain a ton of respect within the community when they're doing it. Gain and function research. So the reason why it happens is because you will get funding for it.

people are interested in it, it's relatively cheap and easy to do versus say like vaccine development or cancer therapeutic development or something. Like you can have a really nice lab getting super good funding tinkering at the edges of this gain of function research stuff. It's also pretty clear that there's absolutely no civilian application to this. Like it is not going to help provide insight into how to make a vaccine or something. That is absolute bullshit. The only benefit here is if you want to.

the weaponizer thing, basically kind of like biological weapons type of deal. And there's clearly a huge risk of problems. Like it's pretty obvious that this thing was a lab leak and that this thing came about from lab development. And the United States played a part in developing this, this, the virus, you know, almost certainly. Like there's still a little room, room for doubt in there, but it looks pretty compelling. But this is where it gets really interesting. Like all of the different people involved in these kind of shitty, misaligned incentives, you know, about, well, I'm a scientist and I want to run a lab and I'm in this biological research area and gee, what are things that I can get funding for? Oh, gain of function research. Okay. And then

all, and it's comparatively easy to do. Like you serial passage this stuff through animals and then their immune system causes a lot of the kind of genetic evolution within the virus. And if you just document those changes and publish it, you keep getting NIH grants and you're respected within your community. And you get to feed and water the people in your lab. You know, so you look like a success and you technically are a success until the whole thing, you know, you have a situation like what we had here. And in that book, it talks a lot about how. And again, I can, I'm talking about what I'm reading in the book, not necessarily what I believe, but how Anthony Fauci is a lot of the times has, his hands on the lever of who gets funding and who doesn't.

I wonder how it'll play out because we indemnified the manufacturers of the vaccine when it comes to insurance payouts. There's an interesting angle on that. And I'm not a lawyer. Don't understand it super well. But there was some suggestion that although they're indemnified, this was assuming that the studies that led into the emergency youth use authorization. were legit and they do not appear to be legit.

It looks like numbers were fudged in that. And so if the numbers were fudged in that, then discretionarily you could have the government say, oh, actually that indemnification doesn't apply. And this has been some of the thought around like the 3D chess game that's going on with this, like who ultimately is going to hold the bag on this thing, who's going to be held accountable and all that type of stuff.

Yeah. Yeah. How, look, people, Your fascination on my part. Let's say the lab at Wuhan. What are they, they're like category four lab or whatever it is? It was supposed to be, but they really, it's at a two biohazard level, which is basically like a dental office. Yeah. How would it, even at like one of the highest level labs, how would stuff, how would something hypothetically even get out of there? You know, it's, this was not on my radar before, but there have been lots of

examples of like polio getting out in in different places. People just, they make a mistake. They get infected with it. They don't follow the protocol. A bummer. Like in the level four stuff, you're in a pressurized suit that's basically attached to like a wall. Which is a good indication you need to get a different job. What the fuck, man. Or you need a PhD to be able to do it. Yeah, one or the other, you know. Holy shit. If I'm ever in a pressurized air suit, It's like, is Wendy's taking applications? Because I've had enough of this. I'm out. Yeah, I'm off this train.

It's happened. Like there have been a lot of examples of fairly nasty things getting out. And what we've been super lucky with, like even in this situation, what's come out is that the gain of function research that was funded around the SARS CoV2, there was also MERS research looking at gain of function. in MERS. MERS is this Middle Eastern respiratory syndrome. It's related to SARS 1, related to SARS 2. It has a no-joke 30% case fatality rate. Like if 100 people get it, 30 people are going to be dead.

The other 70 people are going to be super sick. And that is potentially a civilization ender. Like if 30% of all doctors, all engineers, all police, all fire, you know, all the people who turn the switches that are electric, you know, our power grid and stuff like that, if everybody is sick and 30% of them are dead, like, you could make the case, it's right on the edge. Like, it absolutely could, could create huge chaos. But they also were doing gain of function research on this fucking thing called the NEPA virus, which is a 60% case fatality rate.

And what it, so as it is like with this SARS-CoV-2 virus, it was very transmissible. But I forget, so the R-NOT factor is how transmissible something is basically if one person gets at how many other people could get it from them. And like measles is kind of the most transmissible thing that we had seen to date. And it was like a 15.

And when. Meaning 15 other people would get it. I believe that that's the case. And again, And I really am out over the tip of my ski tips with a lot of that type of stuff. But originally SARS-CoV-2 was like a three. So very transmissible, but not as transmissible as... Measles.

Measles. Now the current iteration of this like B variant or whatever is more transmissible than measles. So like we've... The B-trans variable of COVID? Of COVID. Yeah. the current iteration of COVID is even more transmissible than measles. I don't know what it says about me as a person, but I stopped paying attention to it at the omicron.

So we're past that? We're some Omicron iteration. Okay. But it's like Omicron B-26, something like that. It's now generally accepted that that thing is more transmissible than measles. Now, is that a good thing or a bad thing, giving that the mortality rate, especially as the data set grows and grows and grows and grows, is nowhere near. what they were first talking about. So is it better that more people have exposure to it, so therefore they develop the natural, well, not, I'm not going to use it. I'll use the term

immunity, whether that's forever, whatever it may be. I would imagine there's pros and cons to that level of transmissibility. There is, and in general, the way that, so viruses don't want to kill the host. The best thing is really that the host doesn't even really get particularly sick. But they pass it on. But they just pass it on. Like that's really the biggest win. Maybe you get a little bit sick and that like you're, you're sputamine and coughing and everything and it makes it more transmissible. But it's really not in the best interest of the virus to kill the host, but that happens sometimes. And so my opinion is that the more transmissible it is so long as we're also in a situation where it's not that fatal, which seems to be the way that this thing is naturally evolved, then we're pretty good. It doesn't always work out that way.

like the Spanish flu 1918, it went both more deadly and more transmissible. And that was the mortality rate of the Spanish flu, do you know? I forget what like the case fatality rate was something like 10%, 10, 11%, which is really high, but it's still NEPA is a 60% case fatality rate. Where the fuck does that come from? I don't know, but it's not generally airborne transmissible. So it's very, very difficult to catch currently, but if you catch it, you're fucked.

Like, it's almost guaranteed you're, if you do survive, you're also incapacitated in a lot of ways. So it's not just if you survive, but you're also sick. In this whole suite of funding that funded the SARS-CoV-2 and MERS research, like gain of function research, they were also looking at research for taking NEPA and making it airborne transmissible. Oh, awesome. Why wouldn't you do that? Of course. Why wouldn't you do that? So again, the crazy thing is that it's cheap, it's accessible. So there isn't probably like, again, this cabal of people twisting their mustache.

But I guarantee you there are people who have binders that are like, oh, when there's an outbreak of something, like how can we exploit this? If there's a terrorist attack, how can we exploit this? And I just can't believe that there aren't more people that even let's say that what I'm saying is complete. not just conspiracy theory, but conspiracy fact. It's bullshit. You know, no, they didn't do the NEPA stuff. One should want to know that for sure. Like, and to be 100% buttoned up, no, we absolutely did not do gain of function research.

No, there is not more continuing. We have lots of checks and balances because under the Obama administration, it was made illegal to fund gain of function research. But what appears to have happened is that there was a workaround where, NIH gave money to Eco Health Alliance, EcoHealth Alliance, then gave money to Wuhan. A cutout, essentially. Basically a cutout. Much like the United States says we don't torture people,

but people should really look into the rendition program and where the United States will transport people to other nations to do our dirty work for us. It doesn't make your fucking hands clean. And we don't spy on our populace, but we maybe spy on Germany's populace, and Germany may be spies on our, and maybe we share that information.

Just assume that if you have, there's two electronic devices on the table, I bet you got a phone in your pocket somewhere. They've got us. I assume everything that I say is. You should. Yeah. And right.

You know, I know you're deep into the substack thing now, which I still can't figure what the hell that is for. It's just another blog. You and your attempt to not be censored, controlled. You rebel you. Yeah. Fool.

Full. Do you like the substack? I like it. It in that it's... Is it just another forum for you to be able to publish information? Yeah, and it's just super... What I've enjoyed about it is the tiny... And this is so funny.

The tiny, paltry barrier of entry of just providing an email screens out about 99% of the shitheads. Really? I rarely get any type of like a shitty comment. And it's not that I frequently get, hey, if you consider this, if you consider that, which I super appreciate because one of the bummers about the way that social media kind of went off the rails is that I did something that most people who've written a New York Times bestselling book and had a little bit of success didn't do. I kept answering tons of questions online because that's where I would learn the most stuff.

Like if you've got a group of even a thousand people that are engaged with you and they are kind of out looking at things, like you've got a thousand people researching for you, really, because you've got a thousand people researching for you, really, because. Because if what I'm throwing out there is pretty on point, then they're going to get the gist with that. But then the fuzzy edges where I don't have things buttoned up, they'll interface with people. And hey, Rob, have you thought about this? No, I had no idea about that. And so that interaction was really valuable to me and really enjoyable because I felt like I could continue to help people. But honestly, like, that's where I learned the most stuff. And then when social media became algorithmically driven to promote conflict, then it was worthless.

It was like, I couldn't get anywhere with anybody. And it was either an echo chamber or like a mob, you know, kind of kind of ridiculous deal. And what I've noticed with a substack, at least currently, is just that little barrier of entry of needing to input an email. Like the interaction I have there is really cordial and friendly. And I haven't had to ban a single person. I you know the interaction is is really nice and it's just easy like where you know used to I had a WordPress website which I still have my website on but going in and putting a blog post there when you get used to posting something on like Facebook or Instagram it's so easy yeah by design so

elegant by design and then when I think about posting something on a like WordPress I'm like oh my god that that's like a day of work to get one fucking post up now you know whereas substack it's super easy. It's really elegant. It's got some nice bells and whistles. So yeah, I think like medium is similar. I think there's a number of different places out there. But substack really seems to have kind of drawn a line in the Sam where they're like, we're going to let everybody participate in this thing. And if you don't agree with them, here's your opportunity to make your substack. And then you can comment on what you feel like they're getting wrong. And I'm that crazy person that thinks that that's the way that the world should operate, you know, that, uh, that, uh,

trying to suppress people's thoughts and feelings on things is only going to make it worse. And if there isn't an opportunity to change that person's mind, probably me yelling at them and making them feel like a piece of shit isn't the way to do it. Like cordially interacting with them like, hey, have you considered this, you considered that. And maybe I'm wrong. Maybe, you know, maybe I get to learn something new and actually unfucked myself a little bit. I wonder in history if there's an example of suppression and censorship that actually netted a positive result. I don't know. That's a great question. I mean, there was, you know, it's like the red scare, you know, and like Hollywood.

Yeah, probably would depend on who was pulling the levers and what output that they wanted to see. But like when people say, you shouldn't read this book. It's dangerous. I'm on fucking Amazon. Like, right. You know, I feel like the economy of ideas and they're all out in the light. I like what you're saying, like the right of people to assemble. Because you can sit there and be like, oh, that's a group of idiots over there. Right. And we can keep a little bit of an eye on that. I need to know where that dude lives. Is he my neighbor? Son of a bitch, he is. I'm still not going to be a shitty neighbor to him. But I need to remember. But I might keep a little more of an eye on it. Yeah, he's an idiot. Yeah, for sure. I don't know. I don't have the answers to any of it, Rob. I don't either, but I think we just keep asking questions.

But I think that that's a legit question, though. Like, when has. Censorship or suppression? Yeah. I don't know that that's ever, has that ever really finished out on the good side of history? Like you think about World War II. I mean, there's like state secrets, like when they were doing the Manhattan Project and we're in a race literally against Nazis and whoever makes the atomic bomb first wins. You know, pretty big stakes, pretty big deal. You still had people that, I forget the names, it was a husband and wife team that sold nuclear weapons secrets to the Soviets and, like, advanced their weapons development by like 20 years. you know, so you still have stuff. That's not really suppression, though, or censorship.

That's, you know, whatever. You know, like you said, state secrets are classified information. Yeah. GS-14 classified. It's no big deal. So Instagram's been targeting me lately. Oh, yeah. With these things I see people are putting on the back of their arm.

Oh, yeah. What's the deal with those things? Yeah, it's CGMs, the continuous glucose monitors. I don't know what the hell they're called. I know it goes, it seems like they, like it's a picture. I feel like the Instagram ads are to try to show you that it doesn't really hurt when you put it on your arm. I don't know what it does because they're like, oh, and then they smile. So what's going on there? It's a way of monitoring your glucose levels continuously throughout the day instead of doing like a finger prick and a little test strip and everything.

The monitor picks up the interstitial fluid levels of glucose, which isn't identical to our circulating glucose levels, but they usually have some algorithms to try to match that. And CGMs are good for getting trends. Like, is your blood sugar generally trending up? Is it trending down? It's not great for, like, pinpoint levels. Like, if you really want to, if it's critical to know that you're, you're keeping your blood glucose below 100 or something, you know, then you would want to use finger stick stuff.

But they're, I think they're really valuable. For an average person like me, though, what data would I net from that that would help me make better choices? If you, in general, when people get it, get really serious blood sugar highs followed by a blood sugar low, they tend to be hungry then. And there can be other pieces to it. So I really think the main value is in recognizing the amounts and types of foods that give you a huge blood sugar change. And then that blood sugar change, going from high to low, typically, the brain really doesn't like blood sugar deltas like that. Like it freaks it out. And so it'll make you hungry, makes you want to go eat more.

and there's a pretty good case to be made and this is maybe the difference between people who do well on a high carb diet and again this goes back to like the caffeine deal Nikki will eat 50 grams of carbs from white rice I'll eat 50 grams of carbs from white rice Nikki's blood sugar will get to like 110 115 mine will get to 190 and I feel like shit

Nikki's like she doesn't notice it's no big deal but it rocks you crushes me because I get this huge high followed by a huge low And a critical thing that people don't understand is that people who are really insulin sensitive that do well with carbs, their blood sugar response looks like me eating a low carb diet. So they don't get huge blood sugar excursions. Big delta is high and low. And that's something that I think that a lot of people don't really appreciate is they're like, well, this dude does fine on high carb diets.

And almost inevitably when you look at these folks and they wear like a CGM, they have beautiful blood sugar levels. Even eating a high-carb diet. Because for whatever reason, their body's adapted? They do well with it. Yeah, and you have people, they get older and they have problems with it. They get a weird gut pathogen, like a lot of guys in the teams. Like, they could eat whatever. They were fine.

And then, oh, I got this weird thing in Afghanistan. And after that, like, I noticed all these blood sugar things. And then we had to really pay attention to their diet. Shift work, you know, you become a new parent or, you know, some sort of shift work deal. That will change things. but CGMs are valuable for giving you some insight into like the big picture trends of where your blood sugar is going. And once you look at that objectively, you know, you've got this this outside thing that's like, oh, not only did I feel like shit here, my blood sugar was 190 and then it went down to 85 and this is where I got like super shaky and hungry. Get some causality.

Yeah, yeah. And I think it'll help people in that regard. there's I think Levels is one of the outfits that's pretty popular that people use. And it is funny. Like the first time that I used to CGM, it's got a little metal probe that really is probably about the thickness of a human hair. Like it's maybe like two human hairs. But it was funny.

It was an Israeli company that wanted me to trial this thing. And so it's a bunch of Israelis on the call and they're wanting me to put this thing on. I looked at this thing. I swear to God, when I looked at it, I was like, this thing's as big around as like an ice pick, you know? And I'm like, oh, I'll put this on a little bit later. And, and, um, looks like a soda straw. It looks like a soda straw.

And it's so funny. And like I have lots of Israeli friends, but both men and women, they can be a little like, you know, forceful. And the, and the gal that was running this whole thing. She's like, no, no, no, do it now, you know? And I'm like, oh, son of a bitch. And I am lean enough that, um, when I would move, You would feel it.

My tricep would kind of drag over it. And it was a little weird. Yeah, it was a little odd. How long did you wear it for? Two weeks. Two weeks. Is that it recommended? Usually at about two weeks, it starts failing and maybe the adhesive starts coming off and stuff.

I did it during jiu-jitsu. It was interesting. And, you know, you have some people, it's funny for me, I kind of have mapped what I can and can't tolerate dietarily. For a long time. And so I'm pretty buttoned up with that. But yeah, people like Peter Atie. he has said that he adheres to his diet better because he's such a data geek. Like, he documents everything. And so if he has a CGM on that CGM data goes into his like Excel spreadsheet.

Oh, God. Yeah, he's he's there. He's 10 times smarter than I am. But it's funny, some of the neuroses that pop up. He will not deviate off of his eating when he's got a CGM on because he wants that data to be pristine when he puts it in his in his Excel spreadsheet. But what he will do when he knows that, oh, the next two weeks are like my kid's birthday or something like that, the CGM doesn't go on. And so it's so funny, like even somebody that's like a 180 IQ and this decorated surgeon and everything like the fuckery. Still trying to round the numbers. Yeah, you still, yeah. I would say the true scientific test would be you need to have two weeks as a garbage disposal. I mean, you understand what they look like when they're pristine. Let's take the race car out for a spin.

Right. With diesel. That makes me think of married with children when they're. They lived with Jim Jupiter, the fittest man in the world. And he lived with the Bundys for like one month. And then he died at the end of it. And like Al at the end was, he was talking to his son. He's like, well, son, we're basically human cockroaches.

And so, you know, we'll survive the apocalypse, basically. How awesome is it that Al Bundy is actually a black belt. I know. I know. I don't think many people know that. And I certainly would not have guessed that. I think I saw it on one of the probably was Henner Gracie's channel. And I think he's been a black belt now for probably a good 10 years.

Like he's been a black belt for. Got some of the stripes up on there. Yeah, yeah. I wonder if he's still consistently trains. He does. He does. Like I just saw something literally like two days ago with him doing some training. And it's funny.

It's like Elio and is later used and Ed O'Neill is not as old as that. But I think as you move along, like I'm at a spot now where I'm doing more and more positional drilling and less live rolling, particularly with 260 pound white belts. I'm just kind of like, I don't know that there's an upside for me to like. Why are you describing Alex like that? He's 280. Well,

he's slimming when the sweat is pouring into my eyes and all that. But I think that he does a lot of positional drilling. He does. Like, you know, we're going to start here and here's kind of the parameters of the game. Yeah. And what's interesting is I think you continue to get really good doing that.

But also it just, I think it minimizes. It minimizes scramble. Like you've got some hard edges to what you're going to play with. And I think that that's a legit place to go as you get older so that you can keep getting better at jujitsu. But, you know, like when I have been rolling with the, we've just been getting this crop of like giant white belts. Like these guys that are... See, they're normal size to me.

You're a little larger than I am. So I'm like a buck 60, buck 65. So, you know, getting up to two, if I were 200 pounds, it'd be nice. you know, there would be a nice anchor there for that, you know, but that's a 40-pound gap even getting to there. And I thought, one of these guys the other days, like, oh, I'm 2.45 and I'm 2.35. It's a lot to handle. Pretty, pretty jack, too. You know what I say to them when they tell me that?

I'm like, let's work on your guard. Sit down. Right. Lay down. Well, and I've been like, you're open guard bottom. I'm open guard top. If I pass, if I get a mount or side control, we reset. If you sleep me, you reset.

And what was interesting, getting feedback from those guys are like, that was really fun because it kind of took a little bit of the anxiety away for them too. I mean, getting tapped kind of sucks, and particularly in the beginning, you're not like the etiquette and everything. You know, it's like how hard do you go? Do you get caught? Do you spazz out so that you can get out of it and everything? Sometimes. Sometimes you do. Hopefully you don't do it when it's like my knee or wrist or something that's going to break in the, you know, the inner.

intervening spas. Yeah, that gets pretty wild. Yeah. Yeah, it removes some of the consequence. And I think it was one of the things that Henry really enjoys doing is that positional sparring in his black belt Dan, it's what they open all of their classes with and then all of their open mats. Yeah. And they're, God damn it, they're razor sharp in those positions. I mean, I think there's benefit there for sure.

I enjoy it. There was about a year period that I just couldn't get to regular classes. And this was before I was training at SBG. but I was following Henry. Like I had met Henry and he had done his initial online kind of module thing. So I at least had some of that stuff to work to pull from. But me and a gal who we were both Blue Belt at the time.

We got together two, sometimes three days a week. And we just went over all the prime, you know, like back, side control, guard, half guard. And we just spent five minutes in each one of those spots. And we would spend the whole time just positional drilling that top and bottom. And then if we had a particular problem or a question or something we wanted to work on, we do more time on that specific thing. And I really got it. Like I had no outside instruction.

It was mainly pulling from like whatever I knew them, which was almost nothing or what I could get off of Henry's, you know, online material, which is phenomenal. But it's really different not having somebody there to like, oh, here's the weight distribution. Here's how you do this. Here's how you do that. But we made a remarkable amount of progress. And it was a female smaller than myself. Both of us, knucklehead blue belts, no real outside instruction. But I also wasn't just like cruising YouTube looking for techniques.

Like I don't know that we added a single technique during that time. But it was like weight distribution, angles, timing, like all of that definitely got better. And also just kind of understanding the basic flow of Jiu-Jitsu. Yeah. And now you're an all-powerful brown belt. Well, people make mistakes all the time. I liken that one to people have already had the number of children that they want to have. And then there's like a night of overconsumption of alcohol and then kind of a whoopsy.

And that's how my brown belt happens. I think you got to trust your coaches. Okay. Okay. John Frankel knows what the fuck he's doing. He does. He does. Yeah.

Yeah. His, God, his jiu-jitsu, I wish I could emulate his timing is unbelievable. and the ability for him to just kind of relax? I don't think people appreciate how often he gets tapped in the course of training. So, you know, I think when he travels, we see a really good polished A game. But when I've been able to spend extended periods with John, he'll put himself so deep in the drink as far as, you know, like, well, that's how you keep getting better. Yeah. And he's so comfortable at that and putting himself in kind of poor positions and starting from a deficit and then flipping it around and also making it so that like you never have like there's if you're trying to scale a wall, there is no brick seam.

It's just glass. Yeah. Like he provides. So he's so interesting in that he will go super deep in the drink so that he can get himself out of some of the most gnarly stuff. And then he also has figured out in most situations. where it's like you're not going to have anything. Like you literally won't even begin to have game going on, you know, and it's a fascinating mix that he's able to pull together with that.

I just like to go deep into the drink, not intentionally. And then, you know, try to figure it out from there. Crisis management, if you will. I'm super good at that because I don't really know what I'm doing and I just find myself. Oh, you're very fucking good at Jiu Jitsu. How long have you been at it? 10 years, this year, 10 years. Yeah.

Still fired up about it? I love it. Like there's some days where I'm kind of like, I don't know that I know anything. And like, you know, you really do need to not be attached to the outcome. Like what I've focused on is being jazz to see the people at the gym. Like I see you. I see Travis. I see kind of our extended tribe down there.

And I really make the focus on like I'm jazz to see them and I'm jazzed to get some movement in. And then that said, like the last couple of weeks, I've felt like things have been clicking. But I try not to get too attached to that. because I know that that is super transient, you know. Dan Hart made a post about that. I think it was a few days ago. Randomly they'll show up in my feed. He's a unique man, it seems.

Yeah. Thoughtful, to say the least. And he was talking about nonlinear progressions. You're going to have days where this is amazing. And then a stretch where you totally reconsider your investment of time and money rolling around with another person and everything in between. So his expectation or what he said was the expectation should be is not linear. And if you're expecting linear, man, you're going to have a rough, rough road ahead.

Yeah. Yeah. Dan's a brilliant guy. 100%. He's also obviously completely fucking obsessed with Jiu-Jitsu and rash guards, which can be separated, but it's his choice, his life. His body, his choice, Rob. As it always should be.

I agree. What else you got going on? What's new with Elements? Elements going great. We had a real. Or L-M-N-T as people. I have to remind them like it's element. You can say it that way if you want to, but God damn it, it's easier just to say element.

And it also lets people know that you're on the inside. Totally. It's going great. We just had this cool thing where we sponsored the PBR, the Professional Bull Riders Association up in Big Sky, Montana. Yep. So we had all kinds of like element swag out there and everything. And the PBR is interesting that the company that owns the UFC now, owns the PBR.

Like they just bought the PBR maybe two years ago. Yeah. And they're just starting to develop it. Like they had some pyrotechnics there and they, you know, some fireworks going off when they bring out the, the bull riders, the athletes. And I see it as really similar to the beginning period of the UFC where there are these, these guys usually pay to compete in these events. Sometimes they get paid, but they have to pay their non-trivial. entrance fee. Very little sponsorship, very little going on in that regard. Usually the guys are like sleeping in their car. And then in addition to doing this stuff. And it's also interesting,

the bull gets, you know, graded as to its performance. And then the writer gets graded. So like there's a world champion bull and then there's a world champion bull rider. And so there's this whole interesting juxtaposition with that. But we got a deep dive into that and got to get to hang out with the bull riders and had kind of an element work week there in Big Sky. And it was awesome. It was super cool. Did you guys give some of the bulls electrolytes too? We did not, but we are looking into that. I was going to say you're just going to give the riders an edge up. That's not really fair, Rob. What was interesting is when we talked to the guys doing nutrition for the bowls, they were like, oh yeah, we use salt licks all the time. And they will use different salt licks depending on the time of

year. So I really don't, those guys, we will end up learning a ton from. Like, I'm not going to go in and, like, explain any, any, like, animal nutrition or physiology to those guys. They're super buttoned up. So they are super aware of the electrolyte needs for these animals. And they have, like, one particular salt block that's higher in magnesium. If this animal's got this thing going on, or it's under these circumstances. And so they, they operated a pretty, pretty sophisticated level with that stuff. Yeah. How terrifying are those bulls and person. So where you're...

They will fuck you up. Oh, like 10 ways from Sunday. So one of them got out while we were there. So... What do you mean got out? Like got out into the crowd? Out. It could have gone into the crowd.

It had that as an option. Because that's what I'm hoping for. So it went over its pen and then it was in this like general admission area. Oh. And people are like... And the folks running the PBR didn't know that it was out. But people in the stands were like, a bowl is out. know. And so then the fine, the guy, the announcer was like, anybody on the ground, get off the

ground by any means you can't. And so people are literally like running up fences, you know, climbing up things. And this bull, which, I mean, they're like 2,000 pounds are huge. And they just look like they're on every steroid imaginable. But it's just. I wonder why they look like that. Giant bull testicles, apparently. And this thing, there was at least a six foot fence. and it just like, I jumped over it. It just went like a cat over this thing, ran up the hill.

And big sky is a very hoity tooty area. And there's that downtown area where the, where the PBR occurs. And right next door, these super high-end condos. And this fucking bowl runs right down the middle of this like condo lane.

And apparently there were like families sitting out there like, and their lawn chairs. And this thing just went running right by them. Like Peebles. People just watched it run by. Unfortunately, it didn't just like mow down. Mo down, everybody.

So this bull took off. And then the dude that had been in the arena that would help get the bulls back down the loading shoot, he takes off on his horse. Another dude takes off on a horse. A couple of local police take off. But like they've got no hope of catching this thing because they have to go on the road. It's about 15 minutes later. And they're like, they've caught the bull. And so the two dudes on the horses got out, roped the bull.

got it to the ground and then the police showed up and then they got the truck to a spot where they could like load the thing on there and get it. But it was, um, it was kind of cool. Like that whole, that whole cowboy thing is is kind of legit. Like those dudes, they know how to build shit. They're tough, super strong work ethic. And then like, I mean, my only solution to dealing with an escape bowl is like a gun. Like I have no other. From a distance.

From a long distance, you know, and it's like this guy rode up it, you know, tracked it, rode on his horse, figured out what he was doing with the other guy. One guy got a rope around its head. Another one got a rope around a leg. And this is not like the roping cabs, which are still big, strong animals. They fucking bowl. It's a tank. It's a tank with horns on it and it's pissed. And they breed them and train them to want to fuck people up.

Like that's what they do. They make them mean towards people. So you need a cowboys. When there's cowboy shit that needs to be done, you better have some people around with spurs. You'd better because, like, that was no joke. That was, I wouldn't say the highlight of the weekend, but that was pretty cool. I'm glad nobody got hurt. Like, it was kind of, because it literally, the report that we had was like there were 20 families outside of their condos, just like hanging out, barbecuing and stuff.

And this bowl just runs down the middle of the sidewalk between them all, you know, and it could have just. just done this like slalom of death through there. It's an awesome story because nobody got hurt. Because nobody got hurt. Yeah. If people had gotten hurt, maybe it was like the local town drunk. That would have still been an awesome story, but less because I don't want people to get hurt. Right.

What else you got going on? What else you got fired up about? I got to get you out of here soon so we can actually make class. Jiu-jitsu element. Oh, I did finally get a proper archery set up. My good friend, Jason Woodard. So I've been a traditional archery hunter and user my whole life. And I was kind of like dragging my feet on getting into the modern archery scene.

Because starting something new was always just intimidating and a lot of work and all that stuff. And so I was like, I don't know. It's a lot of money. And so my friend was like, okay, here you go. Now you don't have an excuse. Checkmate. Checkmate. Yeah.

And so he hooked me up with that. And then I just took my daughters in and got them hooked up with archery set up. and we're going to be doing some instruction with Will Allen. Yeah, you just start out at a SBG Big Fork. And like the girls, we just started yesterday, and they were out there for like three hours, their first day, just getting after it. And Sagan, my youngest, was kind of like, I don't know.

I don't know if I want to do it. But both of them did really well. But Sagan in particular is really, she likes process. Like she's going to love archery, though. It's funny because she both picks things up kind of quick. Like she's a pretty sharp kid. She'll pick things up quick. But she legitimately likes process.

And she likes repetition and chipping away of stuff. She's feeling great with piano and jujitsu because of that. And I was like, oh, my God, Archie. And so she shot like three arrows at the shop where we bought the gear. She's like, can I keep doing this? And I could just see that like crack addict thing in her. So she'll be better. Today's Friday, she'll be better than you by Wednesday.

Oh, absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So that's kind of the next new thing. Is the intent to hunt? Yeah.

What are you going to go for? Whatever we can around here. I mean, the deer elk, maybe a bear. I might go out with Paul Downing and see if we can go after a bear at some point. But yeah. A word of caution. I mean, I'll be with Paul Downing. So if I screw that up, the bear, I know Paul is stronger and tougher than I am, but I guarantee

you I can outrun him. And so in that scenario, all I need to do is be faster than him. The word of caution was actually about Paul. Oh, okay, okay, okay. And I'm going to add another name to this list. And that name is Nelson. Okay. We both know Nelson.

I've been on the podcast many times. That dude will get into some hillrod shit. And he's a great hunter. Make sure you guys both have an understanding of safety protocols and boundaries. I was going to say, so we need a safe word. We need a safe word in this thing. Yeah, go with like pineapple or unicorn or some shit. Rosebud.

Paul and Nelson are awesome, but I also am pretty sure that they have each other on speed dial to rescue each other from when they get too deep into shit they can't handle. Right, right. Like snow. Nelson got his truck stuck, and it was Paul who responded who I think then he got stuck. And then another friend, Eric from the whitefish gym, had to go and unfuck both of them. Nice. Adventures. I may just stick with deer and elk. May just keep it there.

Bear. The first animal I ever actually killed with my bow was a bear. Okay. It was cool. It just doesn't really do it for me. Right. And I think for some people, they live for like spring and fall bear. And for me, it's like, I mean, you can get the tag over the counter. You're going to have to do a test online where you can identify between brown and black bear.

Very easy to do once you know what you're looking for. Yeah, but for me, it was just never the jam. Right. Elk, though, screaming in your face, running in, that's pretty awesome. Right. Yeah. I mean, they basically have a towel rack on their head, which is sharpened into pointy edges. And you have a dart. You're like, oh, shit. I better get this right. Yeah. Yeah. Well, the only people I've ever seen getting gored by them are idiots in Yellowstone, who I believe wrote that check and just cashed it right there. So that's kind of like their fault, in my opinion. And I do still have the, I don't know if I'll ever best the getting an elk with an atlottle. So that's a whole. interesting element to this thing. So I have to figure out how to... I don't know if it's possible to best that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Interesting hunting implement

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