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Episode Date: August 23, 2024

We are diving deep into a wild mix of listener-submitted questions that span the gamut from light-hearted fun to life-altering challenges. Kicking things off with a rapid-fire round of quirky questions, including my favorite overseas memory, thoughts on tattooed motorcycle riders, and the million-dollar question: Would I fistfight Jocko for a million dollars, a milkshake and a crisp high five? Shifting gears a bit, what do you do when you find out your wife is a lesbian? Finally, my thoughts on the role of law enforcement in the community, as a young police officer from Oregon seeks insight into how to embody the ideal of public service. The Speed of War Comic Series: https://www.thespeedofwar.com/ Check out the newest Cleared Hot Gear here: https://shop.clearedhotpodcast.com/  

Good and talk, everybody. Friday, it's Q&A time. Let's just dive right in. Three questions, the first one being comprised of multiple, but kind of rapid fire, quick response. I don't know what it would be. And then the other two, very divergent from the first one. Let's dig into Fallout Friday. Away we go. Smoke. Okay, Kathy, west of the smoke. I'm looking at danger close now. I'm all winter, baby. Give it to me. I made it. You're clear it hot. Okay. Like I said, question number one has one, two, three, three. four, five, six, seven questions. And they are all over the place. So we're not going to dive

too deeply into any one of these, but we'll just answer them all because I think they're all pretty different from questions I received before. First part of the question, what was my favorite memory from overseas? I had to think on this one for a little bit. And maybe most people would think that this answer would have to do with an action overseas or a target overseas or or an objective or something with the boys. And it actually, upon relatively deep reflection, had nothing to do with any one of those things. So I think my favorite memory is from the initial invasion of Iraq.

Early 2003, we were at the Baghdad International Airport, was not functioning as an airport at the time. We were staying inside of the bird shit hangar, which had more holes in it than Swiss chival. cheese and more pigeons in it than probably the entire west coast of the United States, in cots with mosquito nets over the top, having not showered in, I don't even know how long it had been. I'm talking you could put your, you could take your uniform off and stand that thing up. I think the only biohazard safe way to deal with what we were wearing at the time was probably

a flamethrower or a garbage can and then you flame throw the garbage can. It was, it was gnarly. MREs for like 90 days. I think I was down to eating just skittles at the time. I couldn't tolerate any more MREs. But right before we came home, a few weeks before we came home, we got mail for the first time. And I opened up the box, and in the box was the ultrasound image of my oldest son. And when I went on deployment, I knew my wife at the time was pregnant. We did not know the sex of the child. And the ultrasound that I received in that box was the same. the only communication we had the entire time. We were restricted from using any type of satellite communication. Email wasn't even an option given the austere conditions that we

were living in. And yeah, an ultrasound image confirming that I was having, or that my wife at the time was having a little boy, who now is almost 21 years old. But I remember where I was open in that box. I was sitting on the edge of my cot. I remember the people walking by. I remember the time of day. And I distinctly remember pulling out that strip of paper. It looked more like a receipt than a printed piece of paper with the image on there. And that, out of everything that happened to me in my 17-year career, was my favorite memory of anything that ever happened overseas. Super cool. Can I? believe that guy is going to turn 21 years old. He's back working at the coffee shop,

get to see him almost every day. It's amazing. So, moving on. Can my cousin pet your weiner and in parentheses dog? Yes, anybody is free to pet javelin if they want to. But he's a little asshole. Probably because he's still a puppy. He's very loving. He has two speeds. Out of energy and recovering and full of energy fifth year, or sixth, they're six. They're six. They're whatever his machine may have. And he only goes from one to the other still. Balls out, recovering. Balls out, recovering. He can be really lovey, and then he has drawn blood many times with his razor-sharp needle-noblier-tile-plier teeth because he's not in his teething phase yet, or they have not actually come out yet. He should be very close. Coolest dog ever. If you've

never had, I've heard so much, so much conversation about, how do you say it? Is it doshand, Doxand, and then I do Jiu-Jitsu. Train Jiu-Jitsu with a man from Germany himself, and I didn't really realize this was a German breed. It's Daxhund, which I think if you say that loud enough, you'll scare the shit out of people. They're the coolest dogs ever. They have fantastic personalities, and yeah, anybody can pet javelin.

He's kind of a little paparazzi magnet. Leah has taken him in to teach the kids' class a few times. I don't know how much teaching was accomplished, and he seems to love it. So great dog. Question three, can we get a video of you shooting Michael with a potato gun? Absolutely. If he would let me shoot him with a potato gun, which I feel like I could talk him into doing,

I would 100% post that. I think we're at a phase right now where he will let me tase him on video for free, and I'm trying to figure out how much it will be for me to shoot him like in the ass, a grazing shot with like a 9-mill round. So we're working out where there. And I feel like a potato gun sits nicely in that spectrum. I mean, I think it's below a taser. I'm not saying we load it up all the way with maximum PSI,

maybe like a nice calf shot or a high quad, and we'll just play it out from there. What are your thoughts on dudes with tattoos and motorcycles? So I don't know if you mean together, people who have tattoos and motorcycles, or what are your thoughts on dudes with tattoos, comma, what are your thoughts on dudes with motorcycles? Personally, I'm a fan of both.

I've had motorcycles for a long time. I don't talk about it much, and I don't know why. It's not intentional. It's not something that I try to hide. I have a street bike and a dual sport bike, and I love both for their intended purposes. Street riding is great. Dual sport riding, getting off the track, getting off the trail, firebreak roads here in Montana. Onyx, what is it?

Onyx off road. I use onyx hunt. Yeah, onyx straight for hunting, and then onyx off road I use for finding off road terrain. Holy cow. Up here, it just lights up like a Christmas tree. There's so many options. So I love them both. Tattoos, obviously, I have.

tattoos, I'm working on getting a sleeve from right here, mid forearm all the way up, probably four or five more sessions to go. So I like tattoos, but tattoos to me are much like art from the perspective of looking at it hanging on the wall. Some people really appreciate them and are willing to spend millions of dollars and some people, it just doesn't make sense and they have no interest. So I put this one on the person. If you want to get a tattoo and it means something to you, recognize that it's there for the rest of your life unless you want to go to the lasering route. Think about where you would want to put it on your body. Do you want to have an impact on social environments, professional environments, and everything in between? But if you

have something that speaks to you, that means something to you, I say go to town if you want to. Tattoos, I think, only need to mean something to the person getting them. I'm sure there are people who maybe are a little bit swayed by they see other people or the social circle that they may be in or the group they're attached to that gets tattoos and they think they may need to. I would advise against that just in case all of those things may change. But if it does speak to you, go to town. And if it doesn't, also go to town. I know a mix of in between.

Now, what do I think about dudes with tattoos and who have motorcycles? Well, since I'm a fan of both, obviously I'm a fan of both. So again, go to town if you want to. Don't if you don't. Motorcycles, for anybody who is thinking about getting a motorcycle, Understand that it is absolutely nothing like a vehicle. Your risk matrix skyrockets. The likelihood of you not being seen and being hit is drastically higher than if you are in a vehicle.

If you are hit, you have no protection other than what you're wearing before you impact either another vehicle, a stationary object, the road itself. Survivability on a motorcycle is a fraction of what survivability in a vehicle is when it comes to an accident or even just a mistake. make sure you're thinking about those things. I'm not here to tell anybody how to live their life, but make educated choices and decisions. The information is out there. You're not bulletproof. Your spectacular writing is not going to save you from all the potential things that could happen, especially somebody not seeing you in an environment you can't control. Just food for thought. Well, you spoke pot with me. Not really my jam. I have my time in place with that when I was much younger. I grew up in Santa Cruz, California. I am not a lot of

a fan of smoking anything. I don't like how it feels in my lungs. I feel like I can feel the residual, and it's just not my gym. Having said that, you know, oftentimes when I travel, I use a variety of Wolf21 products. There are some that are, what is it, CBN and CBD, and there is one that has a small amount of THC. So again, I'm not a teetotaler when it comes to this, and I think, what is it, is it the bed down, remain, repair on demand. It's one of the Wolf 21 products. I think it has five milligrams of THC. I use that for pain suppression when I was cut off my abdominal surgery. I'll use it if I'm having difficulty sleeping, if I'm traveling. So I'm not against it, but smoking is just not my preferred mechanism. I just don't like how it feels. I don't like

the impact on my lungs. Do you believe Trump's shooting was an inside job? I do not. I do not believe Trump's shooting is an inside job. I think we've covered this ad nauseum on the show a couple times. I worked with some of the best snipers on the face of the earth at 140 yards iron site with an M4 or an AR civilian equivalent. I don't trust any of them to hit me in the top of the ear. I don't care how good you are. I'm not trusting you to do that. I personally believe it is luck that he's He is still alive, meaning luck that he turned his head when he did and actually seemed to angle towards the shooter so it didn't hit the back of his skull, which would have been a visual, given modern social media and people's ability to be their own reporter with their phone.

I don't think that's a visual that most people are ready for. The 556 round at that distance on the skull is going to do a substantial amount of damage, and it's going to be dynamic, and that would have been there for the world to see. And I also think he was lucky that the person who shot at him didn't know enough to aim center mass. It seems that they were aiming at his head. Any one of those rounds at his age at center mass, very, very unlikely, in my opinion, and that's all it is and that's all it counts for, that he would have lived. So I think Trump is largely alive due to luck. And the Secret Service is at a watershed moment right now where they can take a crucial.

critical and objective look at what happened and how. They don't need to worry about the why and fix those two things. And if they don't do that, I think it may be a matter of time until something like this happens again. Not necessarily with Trump, but I view this through the lens of what do we teach our enemy when we're either successful or when we fail? And I'm using enemy broadly. It could be adversary, whatever it may be. Personal protection is largely a very visual deterrent, meaning you see people who are there, they're armed, they're part of the Secret Service, they're part of local law enforcement, they're part of federal law enforcement, you know that they're there and that they have the capability of responding. So that is a

deterrent. Then you have what happened that day at the assassination attempt. And quite frankly, I would say that didn't deter anybody. The actions that took place, that day, the ability for that individual to get where they did with the weapon that they did, get off the rounds that they did, the response that happened afterwards, I don't think that deterred anyone. And I do worry that somebody watching that might think, huh, maybe I ought to give it a go. Because if a 20-year-old knucklehead can do that, maybe I can too. If the response had been much more proactive, let's just think about it. Right. Say they had stopped the shooter beforehand. Then we probably wouldn't have heard about it. Engaged the shooter as they were getting

into that position and killed that person. Responded in a different manner after the shots were fired. That would become more of a deterrent to me. And I'm not trying to, I'm not trying to negatively judge the Secret Service. I think though in an objective act or action, which is for them to do, not for me to do. They throw everything out on the table and you have to dissect what happened and why. I'm sorry, what happened and how. Again, the why, the motivation behind that kid, it doesn't matter. What happened? How did this happen? What can we? change because if you don't, then you're relying on luck and hope. And I think we can agree that's not a good strategy. So last question. Would you fistfight Jocko for a million dollars, a milkshake and a crisp high five?

No, if Jocko and I wanted to fight each other, and I'm using ear quotes, we could go do Jiu-Jitsu at any time. I have no desire to fight with my friends because I fight with my friends almost every single day on the mats. It's not real fighting. We're fighting inside of a rule set, but the particular activity that we're doing, certainly has application in the real world, and the more I'm around it, the less violent that I actually want to be. Don't get me wrong. I absolutely love violence,

but I will avoid it into the place where it is the last option, the option of no resort, where the last resort, and then stand the fuck by for the amount of violence that you're going to get out of me. And I'm not saying that to try to be braggadocious.

I'm just saying I want no part of it, but if you push me to a place where that's my only option, I'm sorry, my previous experience is what it is. My exposure to violence is what it is. So be careful what you're asking for. Now, as far as fistfight and jaco, why would I fistfight Jock for a million dollars? I think neither he nor I would have an interest in doing that because it's just not worth it. I'm not going to actually fight my friends. I would fight for my friends, but I'm not going to

fight my friends, even though I do like a nice milkshake. In a crisp pie five, who doesn't want a Chris Pie Five? Like I said, that was the first one. That was like six questions all in one. So let's move on to the next one. I'm going to make this a little bit bigger so I can actually read it. Oh, and I remember why I picked this one, because the subject line was lesbian wife. And I could clearly tell from the email, I guess I was making an assumption off the name that it was a dude that sent this. But I was correct in that assumption. So I don't really have a question associated with this.

Just would love your advice or opinion. I've been with my wife for 11 years, married almost 6, and I've known her for 20. We have two sons, two and a half and one. By all accounts, including hers, I am a great husband, perfect dad, and an all-around good guy. Late June, I figured out that she's having an affair with a friend of hers that she just met earlier this year. This friend is a chick. I've met her, drank with her, just like any other friend of my wife's. I forgave her, we agreed to work on us that it was a friendship that got out of hand, and a few days after forgiving her, she cheated again, and I left for a couple days. Between my lack of trust in her and every other woman, which my therapist is helping with that, and her attraction to not only this broad, but the opposite sex as a whole, we decided to end

things. We both want this to stay as a separation and not a divorce so she can stay on my insurance and in case we get back together one day, seeing that as less of an option these days, in parentheses, his words, not mine. But lately, I've grown to not only be mad at her, but hate her for ruining the perfect life we've built. We look at houses. We look at houses, for her together and apartments for me together and are talking to a husband and wife mediator team. But I just want to be done and gone. I guess there is a question. How do I keep from becoming an asshole to her? Is it worth it to not be a dick? So far, maintaining the high road, but at the same time, I want to show her all I do for her and really show her what starting over would look like.

Fuck. This is a layered question like an onion. I am going to start with how do I keep from becoming an asshole to her and is it worth not being a dick? We'll start with it worth not being a dick. From the bottom of my heart, I understand how rewarding it can feel to want to be the dick, to want to say the things that you feel like you have to get off your chest, because you have to let that other person know how you feel about them. And my advice to you is not to do that. And I am basing that off of my own experience in having done that and having it not end in the result that I was looking for, having it not end in me feeling any better about it, having it end in me actually feeling like shit about it and far less of a person and not the person that I want to be. And it's just

negativity. It is worth it to not be a dick. Just from the premise of being a man, but also more importantly from being a father to your children. You have two sons, two and a half and one. They are not going to remember right now the interactions that you have with your wife. Your oldest maybe might have some fragments of recollection. Your youngest, not. Treat them in this situation as if they have a perfect memory and try to be proud of the person that you are in these environments. If in 10 years from now or 15 years from now you were being videotaped and somebody hit play and 15 years from now your sons had to watch this, who do you want to be? Do you want to be the person that would be embarrassed by your children

watching those videotapes? Or do you want to be the person that? the person that not only yourself, but your children would be proud of you for the person that you were in an environment and situation that sucks donkey dick. Obviously, it's the ladder. Hopefully there's no donkey involved. Okay. How do you keep from becoming an asshole? I would start with telling the truth. You are going to a mediator. That's great. You're looking at houses for her and apartments for you, I guess that's great. I mean, you guys are working through the logistics of what it would look like. But it seems like you've arrived at this place where you just want to be done and gone. If you don't start telling her the truth about how you actually feel,

you are going to be building resentment, which is going to be your lever towards becoming a dick when that gets out of control. Resentment is a bastard and it burns like a fucking coal in your stomach. You can put it out, though, I have found, by if you have resentment now, let it go to the best of your ability. Don't try to win. Don't try to make it a competition. Don't try to get somebody back. Let it go. But don't pour more fuel on top of it by not being honest with your wife about where you are. If you want to be done and gone, tell her that. Tell the truth. Again, go back to the videotape. Who do you want to be in that moment when either yourself or people that you care about would be watching that hypothetical film?

You would want to have integrity. You would want to have honesty. You would have a desire to not be an asshole. Baring that shit down deep, the traditional male way of dealing with your feelings is just put them inside of a little case, lock it up, jump on top of it, and then bury it in sand. It doesn't really work. And I'm telling you, I've felt this in my own life. If you're not honest, the resentment builds. If the resentment builds enough,

you will find yourself squarely in that asshole category. I am sorry that your wife chose to take these actions. She may not feel great about it either. And I'm not here to excuse or justify anybody's behavior. I don't have an understanding personally of what it feels like to go from being attracted to one sex or gender, depending on who the fucking modern day definition of that in going to the other, probably I would imagine there are questions there even from that person who has that switch, given the life that they had lived before.

Probably not the easiest situation for her either is what I'm trying to say. Where is the one thing? By all accounts, including her as I'm a great husband, perfect dad, an all-round good guy. I bet you are a great husband. I bet you are a great dad. And I bet you're an all-around good guy. try not to use words like perfect. That is a bar that nobody is able to achieve. And there's also, you could apply that to relationships. There's no such as a perfect relationship. People who tell

me that they're in one, I put them in the category of being a liar. Because in my own experience with human beings and watching countless relationships that I've been proximal to, perfect ones don't exist. There's incredibly healthy ones and incredibly unhealthy ones, but even the healthiest of relationships, they are navigating the tides that come in and they come out. It is not homeostasis where it never moves. And I think it's important to remember, because if you're aiming for a perfect relationship and your definition of that is no hardship whatsoever,

you have just written yourself a recipe for guaranteed failure and disaster in your life. So don't do that shit. That's optional. Don't write that recipe. Here's what I'll say to you. My ex and I separated after over 20 years together. Our children at the time, I think, were...

15, it was either 15, 13, 11, or 14, 12, 10. Point being, they were a little bit older. Processing ability was more enhanced. And the impact of that divorce was greater upon them. They had a better understanding of what was going on. They had to watch it from both sides. They were directly involved at times. And you have a situation right now where that is not the case.

So I am not telling you to get a divorce. And I'm not saying that there's a good time to get a divorce. but as far as a time in your life that will have the least amount of impact on the trajectory and future of your children, assuming that both people, and based off what you've described here in your interactions, I think this is possible, can actually co-parent with the foundational principle that their children matter more than how they may feel about each other. You could co-parent very effectively that she could go her way, you could go her way, perhaps she finds another partner, perhaps you do, and not have contention between that. And then actually have two safe,

stable foundations that can be supportive of these kids. So you went for having two allies, of course there are more people in social circle and families, but for this situation, two allies to four, assuming that both people find another partner. That's fucking awesome. The more people, the more solid people, the advocates for children that can be there to help mentor them, into this ridiculous world that we are living in right now, I think the better. And again, I'm not advocating for a divorce, but if you are going to get a divorce, let's figure out the least damaging way to actually execute this. So that means getting out of your own goddamn weight and actually caring about your kids. So I think it's totally possible.

It seems like you guys have some level of respect and communication still that may oscillate, depending on the divorce process. But I'm telling you, as far as my opinion, the ease of going through a divorce would be more in the short term than in the long term. There is no good time to do it. There is no perfect time to do it. I think doing it with kids at a formative age, it's not that your kids aren't at a formative age, but they're just not going to have the recollection. By the time they start having concrete experiences and memories, you could have that new foundation already late. And even if you don't find another partner, you getting out of this situation, which you are describing that you're done with, may allow you to be the best version of yourself, which will allow

to be the best parent for your kids. You see what I'm saying? I could go on and on and on. Tell the truth. Don't let the resentment build. Don't be a dick. And yes, it is worth maintaining the high road. And if you want to show her what starting over would look like, I mean, I guess that's okay, I feel like she probably considered that when she made the decision to step out on you. It's not like people don't understand what happens when you're in a relationship and you decide to participate in some of these activities with somebody else, right? We're not the first people going around here on the merry-go-round. So I think she might have already considered that and she may not care.

So keep that in the back of your mind. Last question. I've enjoyed the fallout of Fridays and included them in my weekly routine on my drives to the gym. I'm just starting up my new career as a police officer. and I'm on the younger side of police officers as I'm 25. I wanted to ask you what you think an ideal police officer is and or how would you like to interact with one, or how would you like one to interact with you and their community? How would you like to see a police officer act with their community and department?

Appreciate the podcast and positive impact on my life. Look forward to the Q&A. I've even visited your coffee shop in 2023 and hope to be back soon. We'll definitely come back soon. Okay, this is a cool question. I have had resoundingly positive interactions with law enforcement my entire life. I will say this, though. I am extremely respectful when it comes to dealing with people in that role.

It's yes, sir, no, sir, yes, ma'am, no ma'am. I'll answer the questions. I'll provide for them the documentation they need. And I also don't try to talk my way out of shit that I clearly did. As an example, I have been pulled over. for speeding before and the officer came up and said, do you know how fast you were going? And I said I was going way too fast to be looking down at the speedometer. I have absolutely no idea. And after a person stopped laughing at me, they gave me a ticket. And guess what? I am not going to sit there and try to

argue out of that or belittle this person for doing their job because the person responsible for going that fast was me. So yeah, I have, that's the stance that I take. I treat them with respect. I am fortunate now to know quite a few law enforcement officers. And I know that a lot of people think that the most valuable tool that a law enforcement officer has, or maybe the two most valuable, are the badge and the gun, probably specifically the gun. And I view this question, what I have thought about, and the lens that I view this through is what type of officer, not for myself, but for my kids, because they're in that age where they're figure, in life out. And they're going to do some dumb shit. And how do I know that? Because I did

when I was their age. And so did everybody listening to this or watching this that is my age now, or is past the age of being 16 to 20. Probably for adult males 35. What type of officer would I want responding to that? For me, there's two sides to this. One, I want the most competent and capable law enforcement officer from a tactical perspective humanly possible. It is my opinion that if you use a firearm as one of your primary tools, you have to be at all times and in all situations current and competent on that. And that means you train your ass off in the event that you need to use it to defend yourself, or again, like I said, what kind of environment or officer do I want if my children are there?

to defend my children or to defend me. I don't want somebody who shoots 50 rounds a year and says that they don't have enough time to train or enough money to buy ammo to train on their own if their department won't allow for it. If this is what you do for a living, you need to dedicate a portion of your life to being as good at it as possible

from a tactical perspective. I want an officer to be a razor-sharp tactical edge. I'm not saying they all need to be SWAT officers. If that's what you do, and you do SWAT, you better be fucking good at that too. I'm talking traditional standard patrol officer. I don't say that in any demeaning way. Those are the people that I interact with most. I know some of the SWAT guys here and I see them when they're loading their stuff up or out in town. I don't interact from them from a tactical perspective. So there's that side of it.

Obviously, a mastery and understanding of what their job is. They're not defining themselves by their job. They're not trying to bully people because of their position of power over them when it comes to enforcing law. I want them to have an incredible understanding of what the law is and what the law isn't. The left and right boundaries and roles or responsibilities of their job are. They need to know what their job is and what they're allowed to do. But most importantly, I want an officer that critically thinks and knows how to use their mouth and brain to the same level and capacity that they can use a firearm. The most effective officers that I know are the ones who in almost every single, situation can diffuse it rapidly because of how they interact with the people.

And maybe that's more of a developed EQ, an emotional quote. Maybe it's just a better interpersonal skills, the ability to read somebody. I don't know what it is. But I think we all know somebody like this. And for cops out there who are listening to this, you know who the people are on either your shift or your team. They can just talk anybody down. I do believe that can be a learned skill.

And that's what I really, really would like to see happen, and say my oldest is shit-faced one day and he's at a bar. And we've all seen videos of young kids, motherfucking the cops up and down and this, that, or the other. And we probably all know somebody who has done that, if not done it themselves. What do I need in that moment? I need an officer who is patient, who understands that not every single person that they encounter is life,

in life is negative or has malicious intent towards them, even though they are dealing with the detritus of society, call after call after call, in people's worst day, day after day after day, shift after shift, after shift. I would want them to realize that there are still people out there that don't fit into that category of their normal customer, if you will, that they can de-escalate, that they have empathy, and just like they have a variety of tools on their tool belt, whether it's non-lethal, taser, cuffs, they have those skills in between the years as well.

So well-rounded tactically, but also just well-rounded from a humanity, human being, perspective. Yes, you have the ability to arrest people. You have the ability to detain them, to throw them in jail, which may lead them into prison. And the cops that I have known and see that struggle the most are the ones that want to throw that in people's face. And I don't know why they do it. I don't know if they get off on it because some people do. I don't know if they're power tripping. I don't know if they were bullied earlier in life. I don't know what it is. but they have never been the people that I look at when I think of the most effective law enforcement officers

that I've encountered. I'm telling you right now, the tool that they have that works the best and has the most impact is their brain through their mouth. And I think, yeah, I mean, I could probably go on and on and on. I don't think we need to break out each individual tactical skill. You can do that based off your department requirements, how many officers you have, how remote you are,

how long your backup time, maybe there's so many variables. the world needs, the United States needs law enforcement officers more than we have right now. And the community gets an incredibly bad rap because only the negative shit seems to make it onto social media feeds or be nationally reported. And that's unfair to your occupation. I don't think those instances or individuals speak for the community at large. And I think the more officers try to fall in line with what I had described. And again, this is just my opinions. I'm not trying to be prescriptive. I think that there might be less of those instances. And I'm going to add one thing to this.

What I really want to see from officers, and this will be hard to see publicly, but I want to see a willingness to police their own. There are bad apples in every community, the seal community, religion, medicine, fucking fill in the blank. Give me an example. I'm still, I ask people this. Can you give me me a little? example of an occupation that is just pristine, that has never had some level of corruption, uh, abuse, fill in the blank. I'm yet to receive one. If people are aware of one, please let me know, because I'd love to see it. Externally, most people can't tell the difference between a good cop and a bad cop, but I know damn well. The cops can tell the difference. You have to be able to police your own. What you tolerate in your standard, or I'm sorry, what you tolerate

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