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Episode Date: November 18, 2022

Rapid Fire Q and A to finish off the week: 1. My brother-in-law wants to become a SEAL but has never followed through on any of his other "life aspirations," what can information can I give him to aid in his decision 2. BJJ and strokes...have you heard of this happening 3. I work in Search and Rescue and I feel like I have lost the sense of value for human life, what can I do to get it back Enjoy

Welcome back, everybody. It's Friday. I'm not even going to tell you what that means because you know what it means. It's fallout of Friday. And I'm only going to answer three questions today. Because that's all I want to answer. Because you're going to do the shit I need to do today. So we're going to do three. But I'll probably still run my mouth for about a half hour anyway. So here we go. Fallout a Friday. I think this is number 132. Getting up there. Here we go. West of the smoke, I'm looking at danger close now. All righty then, here we go for this Friday. Question one, I'm sending this email to obtain more information for my brother-in-law about the seals. Recently, he met an active duty seal and hearing the stories has him hooked. He has heard all the good things, but none of the bad. From what I can tell, he has no idea what the process even is to make it. to buds. He thinks signing a seal contract automatically makes him an operator. He isn't getting

the full picture, just bits and pieces. I support any decision he wants to make, but at the same time, I don't want him to pursue a fairy tale. A little background on my brother-in-law. He is 26 and lives with his parents. He's been on and off. He's been an off and on college student for the last eight years. He currently works at the local doctor's office as a medical assistant. He's always been the type of person who gets hooked on the idea of being a hero. He started off by wanting to be a nurse, took college classes, but was never accepted to nursing school, so he moved on. And then he wanted to become a firefighter, so he went to a couple of ride-alongs, but never joined the department. He then wanted to be an EMT, so he got his EMT-1 certification, but never pursued a career with it.

He ended up getting his current job about three years ago. They pay him well. and he's a valued team member. Every year he claims he's going back to school, but he is yet to apply for any programs. I personally think he needs to accept that he's never going back to school and pursue moving up where he's at, but he will not. Well, his new idea is becoming a seal. He claims he spoke to a recruiter, and they said he could become a seal medic. Just sign right here. He's yet to take the ASVAP, so I know he hasn't agreed to anything yet.

He's a very emotionally unstable guy. And not making it through buds could be detrimental to his health. He has a background of anxiety and depression. It's currently him in Zoloft to combat the depression, which from my understanding makes it to where he can't even enlist until he's off of it for 12 months. I would like to provide him some details so he can make a logical decision. If he somehow made it to buds, what happens if you quit? what job is generally the fallback what should he look for in his contract how should he prepare any additional

information would be greatly appreciated holy shit man all right so where do i actually begin um i guess my first question to you is this of everything that you laid out and everything that you have said that he is voiced in the past of what he once to do and then has had absolutely no follow-through in the future. Why do you think that his desire or his new passion for becoming a seal is going to be any different, right? We have the nursing, we have the EMT, we have the firefighting, we have him talking about going back to school. I mean, all of those things are great. What's not great about it is he talked about it and then didn't do jack shit, right? So great in the ideation phase, terrible in the follow-through phase.

He seems to have a history of that. I'm not so sure that that history isn't going to repeat itself when it comes to this. Because from what I can tell, from what you have explained to me, he's probably had one conversation with a recruiter. And what's the most polite way to say this? Sorry to all you military recruiters out there who are doing the best you can. I get it. I understand it. It's your job to onboard people into the military.

and sometimes that means you get creative with how you describe things. That's the most polite way I think I can put it. So in a single conversation with a recruiter, you're going to get the, of course you can become a seal medic. You're working at a doctor's office. Of course you can be a seal medic. Sign right here. Well, there's a lot of stuff that has to happen even if you were to sign right there, which I actually don't even think there's a document you could sign right there in that day.

It's going to take a while. And then you're still going to have to go to MEPs before you go to boot camp. there's going to be some screening product. Like there's a lot that goes on. So don't worry about your brother-in-law going in to see a recruiter one time and disappearing the next day. That's just not how it works. Is it possible that he could be a SEAL medic? Sure.

You know, 24 to 36 months after signing up and going through a pretty robust training pipeline. That's after boot camp, after an A school, you know, making it through Buds, making it through SQT. I don't even know where they send the SEALCorman anymore. It used to be down to the 18 Delta program with the Army. Not a short school, by the way, not an easy school, by the way. So, yeah, there's their idea that he could do this, and then there is what it would take. He's scratching the surface, basically, with one conversation. There will be an ASVAB test that he's going to be required to take.

I don't know about antidepressants, which I believe is what Zoloff is. I don't know the military's policy on that. Actually, I'm going to have to assume that while you're in the military, if needed, you could be prescribed to those. But I really just don't know how they take it when it comes to somebody who was already on them wanting to get in. And that's something that he is going to have to tackle. If he makes it to buds and he quits, he needs to become familiar with a term. And that's called needs of the military. And specifically, this would be needs of the Navy.

So what's going to happen to him? I have no idea. Is it likely going to be something that he wants to have happened to him, a duty station that he wants to go to? Probably not. What job is generally the fallback? I have absolutely no idea. When I went through, Buds was not an A school or an occupational school. And it is now.

So I have no idea what happens to people when they don't make it through. when I was in and people didn't make it through, they were sent out to the military, to the Navy, under the needs of the Navy. And depending on what their job was, if you were a Corman, you probably would go either to a ship or a medical facility. You know, there's medical facilities all over the San Diego Camp Pendleton area. There's Navy hospitals up in Camp Pendleton. There is a Balboa Hospital. There's plenty of room for Corman in the San Diego area where you might get to assigned to a ship, you'll probably fall back into that. And I don't know for everybody else. So if you were trying to think of the exact MOS, which of course eludes me right now as I'm recording this and I'll probably remember it fucking two minutes after I'm done. But you're going to

get put into a role that needs to be filled and it's not going to be based off of your desires. It's going to be based off the military's needs. So stand by for that. What should he look for in his contract? How about we take a step back and make sure. he's actually qualified to enlist in the military. Let's start there. If he is, he could look at pursuing a seal contract, if they still have them available right now. And in that contract, you would want it spelled out specifically your route to at least get a shot at Buds.

We're, you know, the next portion of this, how should he prepare? Well, again, we're definitely cart before the horse on this one, but he needs to do research. He needs to do a lot of research on the internet. And what's he going to find? He's going to find that the program is very physically and psychologically demanding. And he needs to train himself to deal with those things. He needs to seek adversity. He needs to be an incredible physical shape.

He needs to be in the best shape of his life before he starts that program. And he needs to be somebody who can tolerate discomfort, who can tolerate failure, who can tolerate losing. And that's just the beginning. Very easy to say, very hard to do. And it needs to give himself time to do so. Maybe the time that he could do that would be in the 12 months that could be required if he's coming off his Olaf, but maybe it would also be a bad idea if he did come off his Olaf. What people need to realize is that even though the military is an available option for everyone, and I think it's a great thing, not everybody's going to be qualified. You do not have to be

have the right to serve in the military. They select. There are standards. And if you don't meet them, you are not going to be able to join the military. And that is for your benefit and protection. And you, in the grander scheme of things, hopefully can develop a realization and understanding that in the end, a disqualification for military service, let's say for your brother-in-law, maybe from a genetic perspective or a physiological perspective, Zoloft or a drug like Zoloft is going to be required for him to function in life. That probably would disqualify him from military service. And again, I'm a little bit over my skis because I'm not sure exactly what they will allow.

But let's say it's a permanent disqualification, although that can seem extremely unfair. And you can look at it like, well, what the fuck? I'm super capable when I'm on this. Why can't an exception be made? And the reality is, you. You need to look at what the military actually does in the environments that they are going to be operating in in a worst case scenario. And those environments don't give a fuck about your magic, I was going to say, I almost combined medication and education. Medication. They don't care about your medication. They don't care about your personal circumstances.

And that's why they have standards and qualifications that have to be met to, one, enlisted in the military and then two, pursue these other occupations. And if you don't meet them, I'm sorry. You don't have the right to serve in those communities. you have probably the opportunity to, and it's open and available to everybody who is qualified. And if you're not, you have to understand. The decision is actually being made for your benefit, not for the militaries. Actually, there's an equal benefit there because you don't want to expose somebody to an environment, you know, spend a lot of time, energy, effort, money, training them for something and expose them

to an environment where, you know, something that you knew was an issue, but you worked around, then presents itself and becomes the single point of failure. So, wow, I don't know how I got down that rabbit hole, but there we were. I wouldn't worry too much about your brother-in-law actually pursuing this path. What I'll tell you right now is the odds are not in his favor. Their odds are not in anybody's favor. And based off of his previous inability to commit to something that he seems to find along the way he develops an interest in, seems like he wants to go do it, but an inability to commit.

I wouldn't really worry too much about him signing on the dotted line at a recruiter's office. But one thing you could do, if you are concerned, is go in there with him. And you may not know much about the military either, but go in there with them, take some notes and just have your bullshit meter tuned a little bit. And I'm not saying, like, call the recruiter out, but just listen. And if anything doesn't check out or anything, you know, is a little bit of a, huh, that sounds odd. Do some research online. I'm telling you right now there is a robust amount of information. I wish there had been that much information when I was looking at joining the military or even when I was going through training.

I think it's possible to do too much and you can actually set yourself back. But just having a better idea and understanding of what you're getting into, I think is a good thing. So that's what I would recommend. But again, I'll end with what I started with. I'm not too worried about your brother, actually following down this path. And I agree with you. It sounds like he's at a place where maybe he should put some of that stuff in the past and stop saying, this is what I'm going to do and actually just double down where he is.

Like you said, he's a valuable member of the team. They treat him as such. They pay him well. That sounds good. And maybe that'll serve him and get him through this phase of his life. He's 26. I was doing what I wanted to do when I was 26. But looking back now that I'm 45, who I had a lot of room for improvement.

What I needed, though, was time. So perhaps he's on that same journey that I was and that I suspect a lot of people were as well. Question two. Love your follow to Friday and look forward to it every week. In fact, it's the first thing I scroll for Friday mornings. I've sent some questions in to you in the past and none of them made the cut. However, I think I finally have one that could resonate with you in a good portion of your listeners. Recently, I have put a pause on my BJJ membership on account of time constraints and a neck that is in rough shape.

Through my searching through neck injuries in BJJ via Reddit, I unfortunately made a deep dive into the topic of BJJ. BJJ, and for those of you don't know, that sounds for Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu, and stroke. I'm assuming you have heard of this unfortunate phenomena, but if you have not, there has been at least 100 documented cases of vertebral or carotid dissection directly related to a BJJ session. The really bad news is that this reporting is only believed to be a small percentage of actual cases. The point of my long-ass message is to basically ask, how are you able to compartmentalize in terms of physical health and being present in the activity, parentheses, whatever that dangerous activity may be? You have had very high-risk occupations and don't seem bothered by this sort of thing. I see myself, I myself see the pictures of young guys with years into the hobby in an ICU bed on a ventilator with her wife next to them, and I just can't seem to get past it.

in your opinion how would you suggest that someone goes about getting over this fear of worst case scenario and keep things in perspective thank you first and foremost i had not heard about this i have not heard about this i did not go down a reddit rabbit hole looking for this so a hundred document cases of vertebra or i think you meant cardioid cardioid what's the yeah fuck i don't know that word carotid or cardioid dissection um that sounds really really shitty um what i I can tell you is I don't, and I'm obviously take with a grain of salt. I started jujitsu in, oh, is it July or August, just over four years ago. So I'm like four years and four months. So take everything that I say with a grain of salt. But I don't know anybody who has directly encountered this.

when you're talking about seeing young men or women years into the hobby on an ICU bed with a ventilator and their wife next to them, that's a substantial and serious issue. And nor have I ever heard of anybody talking about this. So I don't have any personal experience with this, nor do I have any experience with ever even hearing about this other than your email. Am I saying it's not true? Absolutely not. I'm just saying that I haven't heard about it. A hundred seems like it would be a lot. And if it's believed to be a small percentage of the actual cases, I don't know. I mean, so you're basically talking about what it sounds like,

a strangulation of sometime or vertebral, something around your neck, you're cut off all the blood supply that leads to a stroke. For clarity, I am not a doctor, right? Everything I know about medicine I got from the TV show House, which was awesome for a bit. And then, of course, like all medical shows that went off the fucking rails in like season 50.

But I digress. I haven't heard about it. But essentially, though, your question was, how do I come to grips or how do I get over, worst case scenario, and keep things in perspective? Risk assessment, risk mitigation was a huge portion of my old job in the military. And they know, I even look about flying, too, you know, when I was doing charter flying. You spend a ton of time, you know, getting ready to go for your flight. You pre-flight the aircraft. You file your flight plan.

You're looking at weather. You have two pilots up and front who are using a very positive communication structure back and forth. You have manuals. You have to go to simulator training. You have to go to recurrency training. You have to get your qualifications. What is it that you're doing when you're doing all those things? Risk assessment and risk management and mitigation.

Right? That's why you pre-flight the aircraft and you don't ignore it. That's why you check the weather before you actually take off because you need to make sure that even if there's bad weather and your instrument-rated pilot, you need to make sure that the weather is actually above your minimums or that there's an approach that is commensurate with the aircraft that you're flying. Is the runway even long enough for you to land on? I guess you could just take off and figure that shit out on the fly in the last minute, but that's putting blinders on and hoping for the best. And I think 30 seconds out makes a great sticker. Hope is not a good strategy. So what do you do?

You analyze, assess, mitigate risk. And then you look at what is left over. What can you control? What can you not control? And are you comfortable with that? Base jumping was another thing. It can be very, it is a risk behavior for sure. And I don't want to diminish that in any way, shape, or form.

It is not safe. It is not something that I advocate people pursue. I'm also not going to try to talk people out of it. what I would say is go into it with your eyes wide open and understand the risks that are still going to be present, even if you do everything that you can to assess, analyze, and mitigate. There will still be risks involved. The question is, can you reduce them to as few as possible, and then are you comfortable with what is left over? Seeing somebody in an ICU bed on a ventilator with their wife for significant other next to them, that sucks.

And let's take the numbers at face value. There's been 100 cases of this. My question would be over what time. I would have questions about the previous health conditions or the physical conditions of the persons that suffered the stroke as well. I don't know, but anybody listened to this. I have been choked unconscious doing jiu-jitsu, and I was choked unconscious before doing jih-jitsu in my old job.

I've seen a lot of people go unconscious from a choke. or, you know, cutting off of either the blood supply or the oxygen to the brain, they act a little funny sometimes when they come to, you're going to, you know, flop around a little bit. But I have never seen long-term damage. But again, this is only me and the data points that I specifically have. I am going to talk to my wife Leah about this when I get home later today because I'm fascinated. And I'm just going to ask her, has she ever seen this or does she know anybody who has?

I'm not saying it's not the case. I feel like if there were 100 cases of this and it was a small percentage of the actual ones, I just feel like it would be talked about more and I don't hear it. Specifically when it comes to Jiu-Jitsu and yourself, you put it on hold because of time constraints and a neck issue. every time that I've been hurt doing jujitsu is my own fault, meaning I just took it too far. I was caught and instead of just surrendering to that and realizing I was caught and learning from what led to that and moving on, it's like, fuck this. Not today. We're going to get ourselves out of this.

And then guess what? Your elbow gets bent too far. Or your joint gets pushed a little bit too far in the wrong direction. And then you go, ah. And it's really easy to get mad at the person who was holding on to you. But you should really be mad at yourself. I don't fuck around at all with joint locks anymore. If I am caught in a submission that is a joint lock,

I am going to tap so far beyond the joint actually getting to full extension. And that's what I recommend for people as well. Learn from it and move on. If people want to get a little bit more sporty when it comes to chokes and blood chokes specifically, I mean, again, from what I have seen, and I've watched quite a few people go out at this point, you know, to include holding their breath underwater and, you know, pulling them up and dealing with that affair on the pool deck. I'm not advocating that people take it farther. What I'm saying is at least there's not going to be a permanent damage to your joint.

And from what I have seen, if you want to go a little bit farther and find the limits of what you can truly get away with on those type of things in the jiu-jitsu world, you know, I think you have a little bit. bit more flexibility. For the person writing this, you have issues with your neck. And one thing I would recommend you do at all costs is to protect your neck. And one thing that I am trying to do in my journey through jiu-jitsu is to not develop neck problems. I'm trying to stay ahead of what I have heard other people doing or having a history of doing that led to neck problems. And one of the biggest ones that I've heard is getting stacked. And that's not going to make any sense to people who don't do jujitsu, but just think of some person on their back and their legs get elevated for whatever reason. And essentially, you're taking all of the tension on your neck because you're being

folded back over your neck. There are a couple ways to do that. There's a pass. There are some passes that you could find yourself in that position. I found myself there when I've tried to throw a triangle and somebody started stacking me. And you know what I do every time that this happens and I get to this position? Because I try to get out of it as soon as possible. Go ahead and pass my guard. Get out of the triangle. I don't give a shit. I try to get the pressure off of my neck.

I'm trying to be preventative because I know a lot of jujitsu players who have neck issues, and they all seem to have been doing this for a while. And a lot of them will talk about early on. They want to invert or stack or get underneath people. And I don't want to do that. So I try to be preventative. And then I realize that I am in control with how far this goes. I mean, I'm sure everybody who does jiu-jitsu has had the experience of, you know,

they're caught in an arm bar, but they have their hands connected in for, like three minutes. They struggle, struggle, struggle, struggle, and they don't get submitted, but they didn't do anything other than survive in that three minute round. Nothing wrong with that or the remainder of the three minutes in that round. There's nothing wrong with that. Or you could tap and move on, right, and restart and maybe try to work on not getting into that position for the next two minutes and 30 seconds, as opposed to sitting there for 30 seconds and you're not doing shit and the person you're rolling with isn't doing shit. Just food for thought. My point in saying that is you're in control. How far do you want to take it? I'm not saying you should tap the second that

somebody touches your neck, but you know, you also don't have to accept a neck crank, which is just a crank on your spine as opposed to a choke or cutting off the air or blood, and take that all the way until you get an involuntary chiropractic adjustment, and then you can't look in your side view mirror or your rear view mirror and you drive home for the next three weeks. So you're in control. worst case scenarios are exactly that yes and for the person writing this please realize that if you start searching for information on the internet guess what you're going to find the information that you were looking for on the internet and it's very easy to lose perspective that if you're looking for something that would generally be super narrow and you find a community of people where it's their

thing it's going to make it perceive or it's going to be perceived by you as if it's the only thing where the reality is it's not the norm, it's the anomaly. Again, I don't know anything about the medical condition that you brought up, but to me it sounds like one, I don't know about the 100 documented cases, and I'm not so sure about that it's a super small percentage and it's not being reported, but maybe. I have my doubts and suspicions, but maybe. But if you spend your time looking at that stuff all the time,

guess what you're going to think happens all the time? Exactly that. Talk to the people in your gym. Talk to your coach. Talk to your training partners and say, this is something that I have encountered online. Do you guys know anything about this? Do you know anybody who's ever experienced this?

So get some actual touch points outside of the fucking cesspool of what can be the internet. And even when the internet isn't a cesspool, it can be a very small pond. And by that, I mean, instead of being bombarded with a variety of information, you can get yourself into these very concentrated small areas where it can make it seem like the anomaly is becoming the norm. And you have to guard against that. It sounds like in your head a little bit. Worst case scenarios are possible. Just understand how much control you have, though, specifically with Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu

and how far things go and how bad they can be. You know, tapping, I have never not released somebody instantly when they tapped, and I have never had somebody not release me instantly when I do tap. It is part of that trust and relationship that you have with your training partners. and you as the person who are is going to be tapping. It is not my job when we are rolling and we are both trying to win. It is not my job to determine when you should tap. It is your job to do that.

And by taking that control and ownership and understanding that you have that, you're really going to be able to navigate how the journey goes for you. Last question of the day. Here we go. I'm writing in for some words of encouragement to hopefully get myself back to the combat effectiveness level that I pride myself on. I have been a SAR search and rescue volunteer for my county for about the past eight years. Simply put, I feel like I've lost any value to human life after being part of multiple recoveries and deaths that were very much avoidable. I've been noticing

this change in me for some time now, and I'm not sure how to bring the sanctity and value to life back into my mind and remember why I joined the organization to get back to my community. I go to talk, I go to therapy and talk about my feelings. I listen to you and Jack and Mike and Jocko for the positive message that you great fuckers deliver. I recreate in all the ways a good Montana man should. I work a somewhat stressful job where many of my coworkers have been killed over time, uh, underground minor, gnarly. I'm raising a family and building a homestead with my wife and trying to be a positive and helpful member of our community. I love life and generally a very happy and positive guy. I just can't get over the fact that any time I hear that someone is going out

to the mountains to recreate or going out to the river to float, I just think to myself, well, I guess I'll be going out later to pick up your dead body because you're going to die out there. Any advice is greatly appreciated. Thank you for keeping up, thank you, and keep up the amazing work that you do. Well, that sucks, and it doesn't surprise me. And I've talked about this a bit, and I've talked about it with some of the law enforcement officers that I've had on. If you're only responding to emergencies and people on their worst day, it really paints your perspective of the reality. If you as a search and rescue individual, almost every time that you go out, it's for a body recovery, it's very easy for me to see why you would have a change in perspective

and assume that anytime anybody goes out, that that's what's going to happen. Because when people do go out there, you're not getting calls when they make it back to their car successfully. And they're like, yes, Bob made it back. He had the best fucking hike ever in Montana. Or Susie went down to the river, and you know what? It was kind of a sketchy day, but she nailed it. She stayed inside of her capabilities and she made good decisions and there was a white water section that was a little bit over her head. So she got a boat out of the water, walked down, got back in. Nobody was harmed and her skill level actually increased throughout the day. You don't get those calls. You get to go, you get to calls. people are stuck in strainers and they're underwater or they're missing their kids or somebody died in the woods.

So the vast majority of your touch points are from a very negative perspective. And, you know, I can only imagine how as a law enforcement officer, and this is kind of a guess, since you are largely dealing with people who are expressing the less than great version of themselves and humanity, that it'd be easy to think that all of humanity is like that. And that's just not the case. And so you need to guard against that. Just because somebody's going out of the woods does not mean that you're going to have to go out there and recover their body. I mean, you probably, for the bodies that you have recovered, let's factor that in and do the math. I was Glover was here to do the quantitative aspect of this. But, you know, one out of 1,000, one out of every 10,000, one out of every 100,000 is actually going to terminate in that search and rescue call.

And that can't be forgotten. I'm really glad that you're going to therapy and you're talking about your feelings, but it doesn't seem like it's actually making an impact. So I would say maybe think about how and why you're talking about it and are you actually doing the work that you need to do? Are you actually talking to the person in the way that you framed this conversation and talking to them about how it is changing your perspective on the value of life? and if you are, let's assume that you are, and you are doing everything that you need to do to work on yourself, but it is still negatively impacting you in this way. What I would say is it may be time for you to take a break. And you could view that as, well, if I do that, I'm going to be letting my community down because, you know, I serve a role that is important.

And if I'm not there to do that, well, who's going to do it? And the answer to that is they're going to find somebody who is going to be able to do it. and that person, let's say you need to step down for a little bit, who has not gotten to this headspace of, you know, where you are viewing life and how you view, how did you describe it? How you are now looking at things as the most, the worst case scenario is now going to be the most likely outcome. That's not a healthy place to be. So taking time to step back and allow somebody else to come into that position that doesn't have that headspace is probably going to be a very positive thing for you. And it might enhance the search and rescue department as well. Because having a value of life and having the positive attitude about that and being in the appropriate headspace before putting yourself into this position, it makes a difference for sure.

It makes a difference in people's motivation. It makes a difference in how they view their job. their job and the optimism that they have. And it sucks that I'm sitting here telling you that maybe you need to take a break. But if what you're doing now and the therapy and the work that you're putting in now is not having an impact and you stay the course, it's not going to get any better for you. So hopefully it provides for you an option of maybe finding a different counselor. In addition to going, you know, finding a different counselor, I would start talking to the

people that you work with. Maybe there is a group of individuals or something that people that you work with in this occupation, a tool that they have available. Maybe there's already a group of them and they get down. They do work together. And by work, I mean they do group therapy session together or there are organizations that are dedicated to just this. Because I'm telling you right now, you're not the only person that has felt this way doing what you do. Like I said, it's shocking. I would be shocked if somebody who worked in either a search and rescue or a law enforcement capacity did not change the way that they think about humanity, but you have to keep that in check

because the reality is you are responding to things that are people's worst day, catastrophically worst day, but almost everybody else on Earth isn't having that day. And I don't want that to reframe how you think about the rest of the world because even though you might be having a positive impact on your community right now,

is it worth the changes that it's making to you in your life? And I can't answer that for you, but I think it's an important question. So try to find other tools and you work with other people who are immersed in this pool and pond. They might have resources as well. They might have something that they have found that works for them better than just sitting down and going to a therapist. And I would highly recommend that you explore those things. At the end of the day, people recreate all over Montana and in every state and in every country in the world.

And the vast majority of them, the vast, vast majority of them, come out of it experience better off than they went in. You know, there's a really small group of people that goes and handles the situations that are on the other side of that coin, you know, the point zero, whatever percent it may be where things go incredibly wrong. And there is a burden associated with that. So I would sit with that and decide and determine, one, is it worth it to you? And if it is, figure out a way to reframe that headspace.

because the headspace that you're in right now, I'm not going to say it's an unhealthy one, but I would worry about you living in that space for a long period of time because it's going to rob you of a lot of the happiness that comes with life. And that's it. That's all I got for Monday.

That's all I got for today. I'll see you guys on Monday.