Cleared Hot - Powered By BRCC - Full Auto Friday - Round 140 - With Nelson Grant

Episode Date: February 3, 2023

Today's episode is a blend of a traditional Full Auto Friday and Monday episode. The question I opened with was an interesting one, in a nutshell: "I pulled my gun on someone in traffic and now I don't feel so good about it, any thoughts or advice?" I figured that Nelson was the perfect person to help answer this question from a law enforcement perspective, and as I suspected, he did not disappoint. The remainder of the episode was our traditional banter. Enjoy

What's going on, everybody? It's Friday. Traditionally, we do Q&A. And I did one Q&A, I guess it could be. I got a very interesting submission that to me had some legal implication. So I asked my buddy Nelson, Nelson Grant, to be specific. If you follow the podcast, you know he's in. He's been on many times. He's a sheriff here in the Flathead Valley to come in and give his insight as well. And then we just caught up because we hadn't seen each other in a bit. I just opened with my business partner to the coffee shop two days ago. I've slept very little. I'm exhausted. And what ends up happening when I get tired? Sometimes little things slip. What slipped today? Let me just tell you before you get into this. I thought I hit the on button or record button for the video. And I didn't. So instead of being able to watch Nelson and I talk to each other, you only get to listen today. And that just is the way that it is. So I'm going to go get some sleep. And while I'm sleeping, hopefully you all get to enjoy this episode, fall out of Friday, number 140. Here you go. Looking at danger close now. You ready for this? Good morning, Andy. It's your morning. It's 3 p.m. currently. I don't work shifts like you do.

Okay. One, we haven't seen each other in forever, so it's good to just bullshit. But I got this question, this full auto Friday question. And I'm going to need, I'm going to read this to you. It's a little long. Because the person who sent this in made poor choices. I'm curious because he asked. for me what my thoughts were, which of course I'll provide. But I need to know, because I think it

would help him make decisions in the future, what would happen if a 911 call was received and this was relayed to you as an officer? Because I feel like he might have strayed across the law a little bit here. You ready for this? I'm ready. The subject line of this, I'm probably briefly paraphrasing, was I pulled my gun in traffic and I'm not feeling good about it. Okay. Great. So last week, I took a solo road trip to, I'll leave the state out, to revisit my old stomping grounds. I was stationed at beep back then and used to race motocross at local tracks there.

After a wonderful week, revisiting old memories and ripping on the dirt scooter. So I like this guy already. Yeah, I'm tracking. Yeah. I found myself in a pretty shitty situation on the drive back. The drive is about 18 hours one way. And I was on my last stretch, completely relaxed. having a good time.

I was pulling my enclosed race trailer behind my truck. I was on a four-lane interstate highway, two lanes each direction. I was behind some older lady that kept speeding up and slowing down, so I decided to pass. Nothing aggressive, just threw my cruise on at 75 and a 70, admitting to breaking the law. You would have yanked him at 71 over 70-offs. Because we know how you like speeding tickets.

You know, like speeding tickets? A highway patrol. God damn it. I digress. Take it around her safely, but quickly. So he went five over the speed limit, said it was on cruise control. It doesn't sound like it was aggressive. It took all 15 seconds to pass right when I went to get back into the right lane.

A little lib cuck, his word's not mine. SEV with a hipster driving it decided he couldn't wait one second for me to get over. And he passed me on the right. No big deal, though. People do dumb stuff like that all the time. However, he got alongside me, flipped me off, and swerved at me. Almost touched mirrors. Again, I was driving a truck and a trailer combo that doesn't handle the best at 70 plus miles per hour.

At this point, I wanted to skin him alive, but I kept my cool. I told myself not to engage. He took off, but then slammed on his brakes right in front of me. I was motor T, which I believe is an occupation in the Army. Okay. Yeah, I'm not familiar with it. I think it's a driving position or a motor pool position in the Army. I could be wrong about that, but that's what I believe it is.

So I can drive the fuck out of a trailer. Okay, so yeah, that's probably what it was. But even with my trailer gain set correctly, I began to jackknife when I locked up my brakes to avoid hitting curly mustache actual. Again, his words not mine. Jack knifing at 70 miles per hour really ends up without driver fatality.

This little fuck would have killed me if it wasn't an experienced driver. I did literally nothing to instigate this. I gave him multiple options to leave me alone, but he still kept poking at the bear. this is where I become ashamed of my actions. I was immediately angry, possibly a bit from combat driver training in the Marines, untreated trauma from hitting IEDs in Afghanistan.

But regardless, I take 100% responsibility for following him. I shouldn't have. I followed him at a distance for a bit. When he exited and got into a rural area, I pulled up and I boxed him in. I had already grabbed my handgun. I got out, approached his vehicle, and put. my Glock to his temple yelling absurdities. He had no idea I followed him.

He turned on to the sidewalk and sped away. He seemed pretty damn scared. And that part, I do not regret. He almost killed me for literally no reason at all. I hope he had to wipe the shit out of his pants when he got home. This generation of keyboard warrior woke shit has really given people a mouth that writes checks their ass can't cash. I'm not proud of this. I'm ashamed of my lack of self-control. I know better. I am known to be level-headed, compassionate, and calm. My question is, what do I do? I think this is my cue to see a therapist, but it has only happened once in 13 years. I'm worried if I tell a VA therapist, they will try to take my guns. I can't be the only one who has lost. They're cool like this. P.S. He did not have tinted windows. I knew it was only him in the vehicle. I was alone. If he had women and kids with him, I wouldn't have done what I did. I saw it as a one-on-one issue.

that I was going to address. Sorry, this has been so long. You have such good advice. I hope you can shed some light on this for me. Let's get to the critique of behavior in a little bit. Yeah. I like this guy. Yeah.

Well. Up to a point. You are, I don't know what the hell shows up in your new crew. I was going to say cruiser, but truck. Yeah. This shows up. What's the, what's the law enforcement response to somebody calling 911 that somebody just put a gun to their head in traffic?

Well, it's going to get a lot of attention. With this scenario at the end of it, the dude's no longer the victim would say. The guy that had the gun pointed. The guy that had the gun pointed at him is no longer a victim? Well, no, he's no longer unseen. So if he calls in a report, I mean, it's an easy truck to find. Well, that, and let's say he gave you a description of the guy and the plates. Yeah.

Oh, if we got the plates, then we're probably going to find him. But what I mean is how is this going to be dealt with when you do find it? Yeah, it's going to be a felony stop, meaning we are going to have multiple officers. We're going to find a safe place to initiate the traffic stop. And then we are going to call them out of the vehicle and do it on our terms. That's how you do it safely. Is he going to jail for putting a gun to somebody's temple? Oh, yeah.

Oh, yeah. Yeah. What is the law that was violated here? Well, there's a lot. This is why I needed your perspective because I had my own thoughts on the behavior. Yeah. But about halfway through that email, I felt like he probably crossed some legal lines. So a lot of times we do, I'm bouncing all around here, but going to the end of this, a lot of times we'll get calls.

Somebody produced a gun and pointed it at me, brandished a weapon. And when we do sort it out, we sort the dust out. I actually had one of these just the other day. And I'll tell you what happened. So we get a call or maybe I should tell this story after and deal with this issue. It's your choice. Yeah. So a lot of times guys will embellish stories or people will embellish stories to get a response from us.

And it works because we will come if you say there's guns. And so let's say we meet with a victim and at the same time officers find this truck and do the felony stop, get the guy out. And there's no guns, right? obviously if he pitched it somewhere, then we're not going to find it. But already you're kind of putting holes in the story of the reporting person, the guy that had the gun pointed at him.

But if we find a gun on the guy, and he's like, so a lot of times guys will, or people, I keep saying guys in general, but people will embellish stories on one side, and then the other side, they're going to play down the story. Yeah. So, and that's typical.

You're finding the truth in the middle. And we're not there for the whole scenario, so we've got to see what we see. But nowadays, a lot of people are recording it. So if there's a passenger, this is going to be recorded or maybe not. But if it is, that helps our case. But we have this all the time in Montana where people road rage and then they pull a gun. We had one in the Burger King parking lot the other day where a guy pulled a shotgun on somebody, drove off casually, made a felony stop on the dude. He had a shotgun in the car.

No, I didn't, I didn't even produce my gun. He might have saw it through the window. As you're sitting there with a precise description of the shotgun. Oh, yeah. Yeah, exactly. And then there's witnesses in the drive-thru that are giving us the same info. But those are the easy ones. This one where it sounds like maybe nobody's around.

And so let's say the guy called 911, the victim, and we do stop this car. It's going to be a felony stop. We're going to get multiple officers. We're going to have it in our favor, the place. We're not going to do it in us. Like if we're going by schools in the urban area. So we're going to find a spot to activate the lights, and he's going to probably know, you know, maybe he can't see by the trailer, but he's going to know at some point that there's a whole slew of dudes behind him and, or officers, and we're going to make it be advantageous to us. So we're going to stop the car, turn your car off, drop the keys out the window, open the car from the outside of the door, step out, look away from us, back up until we can kind of see them.

A lot of times we'll have them raise the shirt, do a 360 so we can look at waistband. and then bring them back beyond the point of cover, and we're going to handcuff them there. We're never going to leave our cover to go arrest him. And that's changed a lot in my career because it used to be high-speed chase or anything like that, you're bum-rushing the car, which is awful tactics. Or chasing somebody into a fucking cornfield solo mission.

Yeah. And that happens. I've seen it. But let's say you do that and you find out that, for whatever reason, let's say there is cell phone footage and that the person who called is reporting accurately, what would you actually book that guy for? Let's see. The reason I ask is there's like the emotional side of the story, but maybe this person needs to think about how bad this actually could have gone.

It would be an assault with a weapon, a felony. Yeah. In Montana. And for people who don't know, the old capital F changes your life a little bit. That's a big deal. Yeah. In our area, they'd probably drop it to a misdemeanor, but. Perhaps.

But again, you have to fight your way to that. Yeah, 100%. And if you were convicted of a felony, like I hope. that you, you know, actually, if you are a convicted felon, you don't get to possess weapons anymore, do you? No. No. So there you go. You wouldn't need to worry about talking to a therapist. And the comment he made in there where he almost died, and I assume he's talking about his trailer jackknifing. And I ride sleds all the time, so I have enclosed trailers. And I know exactly what he's talking about. However, I think the point he almost died could have been when he approached that car.

because even if that guy it doesn't matter what that dude did prior to that point of contact if that the victim burns him down beside his car with a gun in his hand he's clear all day long i was gonna ask you that because when you were talking about the guy who had the shotgun yeah if somebody produces a weapon and threatens you with it and then because it seems to be most people act as if they're the only person who could have a weapon it's a very weird right right right right the only one who has one of these. So I'm going to point it at everybody and make you do what I say you should do. And then somebody is Johnny on the spot who has one too. A little bit quicker than you. However, if the dude's already out with a produced gun at you, the best thing to do is put it in drive and get out of there

versus trying to beat them to the punch on it. You know. If you did burn him down, though, are you legally justified in self-defense? Well, I think it, I think there's a lot that goes into that, but on face value, yes. You're still going to be detained. You're still going to lose your gun. It's going to be in property for however long the case takes, it could take a couple years. But yeah, you're going to be, you're going to have a defense, especially if you're in your car, the guy that you burn down has a gun in his hand and he's outside of the threshold of his car. Let's say it's two cars and you burn a guy down inside of his car, you're at a stoplight or whatever. Now it's a lot harder to explain because who produced what and you know what. Those are pretty sweet dash cam videos

though. Yeah. Yeah. I've seen a few. Every one of them was in Florida for clarity. And I People appreciate a state where people ride motorcycles and flip flops with no shirt on and no helmet. So like, live your best life. I'm not judging that. And then die when they hit a fucking turtle or an alligator crossing the freeway. But there are a couple of doozies that for what I don't know. I don't know why. Why did people get rear facing cameras in a car?

Like I get it for an Uber or a taxi. Yeah. Or why do they do that? I know like BNSF up here. They all have cameras. Yeah, I don't know. There's a couple though. There's a lot of influencers out there, Andy.

I guess. Well, they didn't influence. this well because they're both digging into their glove box and they're driving and shooting in each other. Might a single round hit the other vehicle, but they also just didn't- We call that a truce. I guess they probably ran dry on their mag and had never practiced a one-hander. One takes a left and one takes a right.

Toss it in their passenger seat, but yeah, those rounds go somewhere. Uh-huh. Now, the reason I ask is, I view this question, my short answer to this person is I think you're a fucking idiot. Yeah. And I'll get into exactly why that is, and you should be ashamed of yourself. And to be honest, I don't want anybody to lose their right. to bear arms, but I don't think you're emotionally stable enough person to carry one right now.

Not saying you shouldn't ever carry one, but if you're capable of doing this and putting a gun to somebody's head because they scared you, and I get you, you feel like you could have died. That doesn't justify any of your actions beyond that. None of that counts. You shouldn't be carrying, period. Yep. But there's also the legal side, and people need to understand, like, well, look what he did to me and this out of and like, hey, we can deal with that.

You produced a firearm and pressed it to a dude's temple in his car. That's one of the dumbest things I've ever heard somebody doing, period. Well, I've heard a lot of dumb things, seen a lot of dumb things. But I agree with you, 100%. And like I said, that guy made the comment that I almost died. Man, leading up to that, he told us about how great a driver he was. I don't understand how, because I don't know if I've had it, but some of my buddies have had road rage.

And they talk to me about it. Like, man, I don't know why. I'm like the chillest dude. and all of a sudden I go black. And it's this victim, like created a victim, you know, like they feel offended that this person that doesn't know who they are and what clout that they carry did this to them on the side of the road. Yeah, but all you have to do is think back in your own life

and realize like how many times where I went up to a stop sign and I rolled it slightly in front of the person who had the rideaway and I wasn't trying to be a dick, it's that I'm an idiot. Yep, yep. Or I cut, or not that I would. ever text and drive. But like just like hypothetically, maybe I was looking down at, uh, I had just spelled coffee on my pants.

So I had to like wipe it off. But you look down and you like, you've drifted a little bit out of your life. For sure. And somebody honks to you or like, it's happened to me the other day. My windows were slightly fogged up. And I put my turn signal on. And I remember in the thought process of my head, yeah, there's probably not somebody in the blind spot.

I start to drift over. Yeah. And they're like flipping me off as they're driving by. And in my head, I'm thinking. That's my bad. Totally my bad. Yeah. But I tried to remember that.

In a marked unit. Oh, God. Because, dude, we're always cruising down, road. I remember when I first got hired here, we were looking for a stolen vehicle, and I was going the wrong way up a one way. Had no idea that I was on the wrong way. And all these cars are pulling over and finally dispatch comes over there. And they're like, hey, 742, are you on first half east?

And I'm like, I'm on the wrong way. Maybe. I'm going the wrong way. And we do it all the time. you're looking for a suspect and you've got multiple distractors, you know, the in-car computer and all that. I'm always waving at somebody like, yeah, that was my bad man. You get a free one next time if you.

But if you're cognizant of the fact that you're not perfect too and you realize that, hey, probably within the last 48 hours, I've been an idiot in some way, shape, or formed another person and didn't mean it. Yeah. Yeah, I don't understand that I'm a totally normal person. Yeah, but how do you go from I'm totally calm collected to you're in the black? Yeah. I don't get that.

I don't either. but I see it often. I see it all the time. As a matter of fact, so that story I was going to tell you, just happened a week or two ago, down by Northwest Shooter, this guy is going to shoot,

this old dude from our community. Is that the indoor range? Yep. Okay. Yep. And another car comes, and at some point there's like a honk, and then they follow each other,

and a guy that's following the suspect. Now the guy, so the guy calls in, the one car calls in and says, this dude just jumped out, pointed a gun at me, and now I'm following him down Highway 2. And I'm like two blocks away. So dispatch puts it out. There's a delay. So now it's like a three-minute event from when it started.

But I get right on the phone with the person calling in. He tells me turn by turn where he's at. I'm like super close. So I instruct him. So first he gives me the whole detail. This is what happened. The guy cut me off. I honked.

And then he jumps out with a pistol. Points it at me, jumps back in his truck. He had two other people on his car and then takes off. So I follow him. No lights are silent at this point? So this is the RP, the reporting person, following the guy that just put the gun, pointed the gun at him. No, I mean to catch up to them? Are you lights and siren?

You tried to slide in smooth. I might have. I think I blew one intersection. So I hit the lights and then shut them down again. I don't want to announce your presence. Yep. So I get through that intersection. I catch rate up.

And so now I see them like a mile ahead of me. and I tell the dude first of all I'm like do not follow this guy you just pointed a gun at you like what like did you get the plate yeah I got the play with an effective range yeah exactly so he got the plate he got all the pertinent info we can catch this dude later and find out what happened right and and another jurisdiction's already spun up on it so they're looking for this guy inbound and so I instruct him to pull over and wait until I'm done talking to this guy the suspect and I'll come and get his statement like a written statement like a written statement. eight men because he wants to press charges. And so I catch up. Now I've got a couple whitefish cops with me. We do a felony stop. Get the guy, the guy's this old dude gets out.

And he has got to, right away tells me, I got a gun under my shoulder, shoulder holster leather. Old school. It takes like eight minutes to clear leather. If you can even at that age have the dexterity too. Yeah.

And he's like hollering at me during this felony stop because these don't always go like playbook, you know? Yeah. And he's like, do you want me to put my gun in my truck? So I come back. No, do not touch your gun. So walk them backwards, cuff them, pull the gun.

It gets run, you know, all that. We check all the occupants. Now as my responding units are coming, now we kind of got this under control. And I'm like, tell my partner, I'm like, hey, make contact without white car. That's at the end of the road. They're the reporting person. I need to get a full detailed statement is exactly what happened. Because this dude's now like, man, I know what you're contacting me about.

we were going to Northwest Shooter to shoot. This dude honked at me, so I stopped and asked him what he needed, and he could see my holster, and I'm going to a shooting range, because later this comes out. He's like, I didn't exit my vehicle. I did not produce a gun, and he's believable. Like, I'm talking to him, and he's like, man, so after that, we just left. We decided not to shoot because this dude's sitting in the parking lot.

Yeah, it's not our day. And then the dude's following me. And he's like, I just decided we're going to go home. And if you follow me all the way of the house, we'll deal with it then. But so he didn't call 911 either, which is, you know, kind of a question mark in my mind. Why this is going the way it is. But anyway, my partners roll up and the dude's left. And now he won't answer his phone.

The guy that called it in originally. Yes. So he's just stoked that we just stroked this dude. Felony stopped him. Got him out. It's good taxpayer dollars right there. Yeah. Yeah.

But like the guy that was maybe the victim in the, or he wasn't the victim. He probably got offended, called it in, saw a gun on the, the guy and said the guy produced it at him. And at the end of the day, we don't have a crime. Like the guy won't report it. He said originally wanted to press charges. Now he's a ghost in the wind. He won't answer his phone. So I just kicked this guy loose. The dude, the dude, can't you get this home address? Like, I imagine you guys are like the central intelligence agency. And then you surround his house and knock on his door like, what the fuck, man? Yeah. To go into all that work, I just basically to the, to this dude that was a good law-abiding

citizen. I'm like, hey man, sorry to bother you today. Sorry this took an extra 15 minutes out of your time and fell on he stopped him. This old dude, like spinning him around on the side of the road, you know, at gunpoint. You know, the only problem with that story is the guy who called it in has no negative consequence. And therefore would feel like, you know what? I'm going to do that again. Yeah. And I'm sure that happens often. And we don't have the time or capacity to go tracking. It's wintertime. You have all sorts of time. What else are you doing up here? Dude, I think it was a Christmas party that night, so out of work. Fair. No. But that's just an example of what could happen, right? So there's all, there's, when these come in, you take them definitely at face value,

but then you start using your own deductions as you're getting on scene and figuring things out, but you take highest precautions. But I always assume everybody's armed in Montana. Every car, every person, every house that I go into, you know, dispatch always asks, are there weapons in the home? and then they'll produce that info to us. Like there is a handgun locked in a safe. Well, it's not pertinent to this situation we're going to. It's good to know, I guess.

But also, I assume everyone has a gun or a knife or an edged weapon or some way that they could hurt me. So I'm going to use my wit and try to call them out of their house, depending on what the crime is. And for the person who wrote that in, do a little bit of time soul searching. A, thinking about yourself,

but B, the potential legal, catastrophe that you could have gone down. Totally. And what's it worth? You know, where you probably, let's say you were rightfully frustrated, you were rightfully scared, and you did almost die. Is it still worth it at the end of the day? I say, fuck no.

No, play defense. Yeah. Yeah, the best move he could have done would have been to get a plate if he could. I mean, like up here, plates are obscured a lot with snow and in mud, but get a plate, description of the vehicle, direction of travel, and back off. Like, I mean, it's not worth it. But even with that information, what are you going to say? Like, 742, I'm dispatch, no.

I remember your number. 742, a guy stepped on the brakes in front of this truck. Go solve that crime. Yeah, it's called a reckless driving complaint. I bet you that's just right at the top of your cue. They happen so often. But it also comes in like this. Like, a lot of times we'll get reckless complaints and dispatch will ask if the person

reporting wants to press charges because they're their own. They can witness you into court, basically. So like if you speed past me and I feel like you offended me or almost ran my daughter over or some sort of situation where I determine that I'm going to call 911 about it, I can tell dispatch like I would like to press charges. This is the plate number that's direction to travel. And if we make contact with you, then they're going to come get my statement. And it's basically me going to court describing to the judge what happened and you go to court and describe to the judge what happened. And the officer goes in as well. but it's it's not to say what happened it's just to say yeah that's the person that called and this is the person I

cited this is a statement he told me that sounds like a galactic waste of time oh it is so we get a lot of reckless complaints I'm sure every jurisdiction does and if you have a unit like a traffic unit that can emphasize stuff like that that's that's who hammers that and a lot of times our highway patrol takes a lot of reckless complaints for us like last night I think there's seven of them that came out for real yeah yeah every night we we get stacks of them All right. Fair enough. Yeah. Same person that wrote in. You're an idiot. Yeah.

Yeah. Back off. Play defense. Yeah. Get all that info. And don't put your fucking gun to people's tempo. Oh, my. Like, here's rule number one. Here's a good rule of thumb that I'll give people with firearms. Personal opinion only. Don't claim to be the authority on this.

Never produce a firearm unless you have the intent to use it. If you think that a gun is a magic wand and it's just going to force people to do whatever you ask them to do or you're going to get to bully them, you're one unlucky situation away. from getting really high on the fuck around and find out Matrix. Yeah. And 100% avoidable. So avoidable. Yeah.

And also, I am surprised the dude that played that game in traffic that had the gun pointed at him. After doing all those shenanigans, didn't realize he was being followed by a truck with a trailer behind him. Maybe it was a camo trailer and truck. You never know. Yeah. Hard to see. What else you've been up to, man? I'm kidding.

Remember the last time I saw you. I haven't seen you in a while. I think hunting season was awesome. We wrapped that up. That was October. Yeah, I know. But immediately went into getting ready for a sled season, snowmobiling. Which you seem to be deep into based off your social media.

Yeah, I've been snowmobiling a lot. I bought a new sled this year. I feel like you say that every year, but. Well, I try to keep a newer one in a stable. I heard, I learned a term not too long ago. It was snow check. Yeah. Yep.

For those of you, and I'll probably mess this up, you can correct. me. For those of you listening who have no idea what I'm talking about, it's essentially when you go in and say, just put me down for the next year's model every year. Yep. Yep. So you pay $500 in the spring like in April. And you get to choose all these upgrades a lot of times. You get upgraded shock package and colorways and whatever else. Yeah, you got to have that color way. Yeah. So snow checking is nice, but this year, a lot of sleds with the back order still from all the problems with COVID. Sleds aren't showing up that are specially ordered. So the generic base models are showing up and guys are still waiting in February haven't got their sled yet.

That's not good. No. But our season started hot and heavy. It was we were it was nuke in the end of November. Lots of snow was piling up. Seems like it's thinned out a touch right now. Bad. It's one of the worst snow years I've seen in Montana anyway. In the last couple weeks we started, well, last week we started getting some snow, but it's like little accumulations. So the avi conditions are super stable because we haven't had any snow in forever. But like Utah, Colorado,

and now like Wyoming are just getting hammered. How's it missing us? Is it just the weather pattern is not coming far enough north? Dude, that's definitely not something. It's one of those, like when I was a kid, growing up in Maine, love powder snow and, you know, snowmobiling and snowboarding and all that.

And I was a kid that like every hour I would go flick the porch light on and see how much snow is stacking up and then like go to bed and hope that there's like feet of snow the next day. And it was rare because you'd get those nor'easters coming in and dropping heavy wet snow. That's not how you guys would say it though. Oh yeah. I know. My cousins were just here and I had the thick Boston accents I bet. Well, one of their terms is like when you're going hard, they're like, give it the hot sappa. So now when we're going to get after it, we'll give it the hot sappa. All right.

Yeah, but yeah, so I'm heading out the beginning of the week with a big crew down to Wyoming, and it's just been getting nuked. And now this next week it's supposed to snow every single day we're there. So it's deep. Do you have a plate, like what's the plan when you go out for a day? You're trying to get somewhere? Or you just kind of fucking about in the snow? Yeah, so we have some friends down there, some local knowledge.

So it just depends on the snow conditions. If it hasn't snowed for a while, we're trying to get high up into the alpine and try to, to find where the good snow is where guys haven't gotten to yet. But if it's like now, you can anywhere out of the trailhead you can find awesome riding. Just want to make sure it's not, that it's stable. It's not too steep. Staying off super, super steep stuff and just pin it, going out all day and coming back on fumes because a lot of times that deep snow, you just are bar, you know, handlebar the whole day. I have no idea what you're talking about. Handlebar deep. So you're looking down, you can't even see your sled.

It's just snow flying over your head. Really? It's like you're taking your break hand and wiping your goggles to be able to see your next turn. And you're just bobbing, like pinning that throttle. And so every little roll under the snow, your sled's coming up almost like a, like a dolphin. Do they float like snowboards do? Like if you can get the nose to pop on a snowboard, you can float on top of the powder? Yep.

For sure. And then you can do deep as soon as you take a turn that ski dives and you're just totally buried. And you've got to have enough momentum. to pull yourself back up on the backside of the turn. So it is addicting and fun. It's second to hunting. It's my favorite thing. Really?

Yep. You like it more in snowboarding and powder? Yes. Yep. I originally bought a sled to access backcountry snowboarding better. And I got just a generic, like regular sled that was reliable. It was a Plaris pro, RMK12, 2012. And the first time I started linking pow turns together.

I was like, oh, this is where it's at. So I started buying new sleds after that. And I still love snowboarding, but man, it's, it's pow shots up and down. And you're with a smaller crew. Yeah. You're with your buddies. There's no, like, lift lines. Like if you're resort boarding.

Backcountry's still fun because you're, like, working out in the mountains and on a bluebird day. It sounds like it. And you've asked me to go many times, but I honestly need another hobby. Like, I need a hole in my head. Yeah. How many times do you snowboarded this year? Zero. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I left before.

The only time I really avoid the resort is Christmas and New Year's. Yeah. Not that it's not busy in the other times, but it is way less busy. 100%. So I, and then I left on the trip the 28th of December. So I never even got a chance to go before I left. And then I think I'm going to try to go a little bit next week and maybe a little bit the week after because we had that snowboarding trip at the end of March.

Yeah. My buddy Paul's coming up from Orlando and he wants to get out. So we'll have to go rip a resource. I'm down for it for sure. Yep. Rows went up yesterday. Great day, but the- I heard the chairlifts broke down.

I heard there's two days in a row that they were repelling people off the chair. So I don't know about that. I know for sure yesterday they were. That's not awesome. And it was minimal staffing. So they had to like shut the whole backside of the resort now to get all the ski patrol over to help out. I'm not a fan of that.

Nope. Especially if you're stuck on the chairlift waiting. I wrote like about a month ago they had Describe how they get people out of a chair So I don't listening I don't know but I do know that They repel them out. Yeah yeah so there's on every chairlift

There's like a welded in Like caribina hook Carabiner hook on the chair And one at a time they use ropes And they like down-ballay a guy Or like I think they basically start at the top And the staff starts It's not a repel

Because they're like on the main cable They're basically sliding down chair at a time, lowering people out. Yep. So just multiply that by a lot of people and a lot of chairs. So a month ago, they had a catastrophic one. Chair one broke down, and it was that cold snap that they had. Oh, it broke down because of the cold, like it froze? I don't know what the mechanical was on the chairlift, but I know they started at the top and worked down.

And I read the chairlift with a guy, like, last week, that was one of the bottom ones. and he's like, man, there was like a nine-year-old on the chairlift with me. And since we were at the bottom, we were low triage priority. Like you want to get the guys on the top off and the wind and exposure. And that kid was a rock star, he said, but man, we were all, he's like, I've not been that cold in my life. Just shivering. There's nothing you do. Because it was three hours.

Well, and there's also no insulation. You're sitting on that little seat with a little bit of cushioning, but yeah, the wind is going to rip right through you. And from a resort standpoint, they're trying to mitigate, okay, can we up, get this chairlift up and running? because that's going to save us a lot more time than trying to download everybody. So they made that call about 30 minutes in, I heard. So you're already 30 minutes behind the curve. So two and a half hours to download everyone. I think I would jump off.

Yeah. Well, it depends on where you're at. I would, well, yeah. If I was like 50 feet up, hard pass. If I was at like 20. And we haven't had any snow lately. So it's all freaking groomers underneath you. I would definitely consider extending full arm extension.

I might be able to take you at Jiu-Jitsu if you didn't have you see your leg. How has your jiu-jitsu journey been? It's been good, man. I've been back at it. It feels really good. Define that. Probably eight or nine times in the last two weeks. That's not true.

I've been there a lot. You are lying. No, I'm not. Eight or nine times? Yeah. In a total of... Maybe three weeks. I've been there a ton, dude.

Don't lie to me. My shoes are burned into that carpet at the take your shoes off spot just because I've been going so much. People are like, what's up, Nelson? Are you only going to the whitefish one? Mostly, yeah. I went down to Cam's Ironman. That was awesome. So that I had been rolling for about a week when I went to that. And I'm still like getting schooled again. Yeah, because you take somewhere between six to nine months off at a time. Fair, fair and true.

I also don't believe that you've gone eight or nine times in three weeks. I've been a ton. I don't scan my card though. So you can't check my fact check. You're lying to me right here to my face. I bet you've been four times. No, I've been more than that for sure. To cap classes? Yeah, no, I've been to both. Foundation and Capp. You're fucking liar.

I'm the truth. And you're getting ready to leave for another week. So you've had your... I will miss this next year. Yeah, exactly. So you'll be back in about July. No, it feels good to be back. And like I said, Paul from Orlando's coming up.

He's like, yeah, we got to hit the mats. And I'm like, yeah, I better start training. Was he a high-level practitioner? No, he started probably two years ago. I think he's a blue belt. And I don't know what Jimmy trains at down there. but when I went down for that seminar with Aaron in Orlando, that's where I met him.

Okay. And he had been training then. So that was like two years ago. So, and there's a whole crew of dudes that, not just Orlando PD, but like the sheriff's off Orange County, I think it is.

And there's a whole crew of dudes that train dudes and chicks. I'm glad to hear it. They need to. Yeah, for sure. 100%. But Cam, man, that was an awesome iron man. So you describe what it is.

Yeah. So people know what we're talking about. Yep. So it's not a common tradition I've come to find out. Oh, is it not? It's not. Okay. It's not like incredibly rare, but also not the most common.

From what I can tell. So the way that our gym, SBG, kind of celebrates your promotion to your next level, which that's a coach based and like your head coach. There's not a test. You don't have to, it's not a, hey, you've been to 180 classes. Yeah. But it's your coach. And from what I can tell, I'm married to one of the coaches now, they talk about it a lot.

Yeah. And it's not like all of a sudden, hey, we gotta give this guy a belt. Right, just because he's been here. On Friday, it's months before that. Hey, how's everybody looking? Yeah. This person's looking, you know, what strengths and weaknesses is. And they put a lot of effort into trying to, you know, stay on the pulse of people's progress,

which, fuck, man. Can you imagine how hard that is with a couple hundred students? For sure. For sure. I mean, now that I've been there about eight or nine times, I'm probably getting looked at pretty hard. For sure. You're definitely getting looked at as to whether or not they should take your blue belt from you. It's funny.

The first day I did show up. Dude, I actually, I showed up and I come out onto the mats. And Travis is standing there shocked. He didn't see me come in. And I, like, to the whole class, there's a whole bunch of new. I think, yeah, it must have been a cap class if Travis was there. But I'm like, hey, man, YouTube wasn't working in the locker room. Can you show me how to tie this belt?

There's a bunch of people that had no. idea who I was and they're like oh who's this new guy and he's got a blue belt like yeah but so anyway uh iron man it's a way that we celebrate a promotion and it's basically a thank you to all your training partners that have been there to get you to where you're at because if there was no training partners you want to progress in jiu jitsu you need to have resistance and and uh learn and it's a chance for them to smash you when you're tired yeah yeah i think you're was it your uh was it your purple belt you're like, Nelson, this is the only chance you might have. Didn't go your way.

No, it didn't. So the funny thing is there's a lot of people training here. And so Cameron was one of many, four people out there, but he was getting his black belt. So three, yep. So Eric Reds got his brown. Steve got his purple. And Cam got his black belt. And what I have noticed is on the black belt Iron Man's, there's a lot of people, which is awesome to see.

People are coming out to celebrate. Yeah, it's awesome. And so when I heard about it, I'm like, for sure, I'll be there. And Cam started every round standing. So a lot of times, you know, as you get more and more tired, you can just start sitting and tap and tap hands and then you start rolling. And it doesn't matter. It's not about the guy that's coming fresh off the wall to show people their jiu-jitsu.

So it's not about you tapping that guy, the black belt, or whoever is getting promoted. It's a thank you. And it's super fun, man. And then usually we go to mooses across the street after and have a beer and celebrate. But anyway, Cam throttled the whole way. He stood up, man, that dude's jujitsu shown, like he was just, it was awesome. But the funny part of this is. So Stevie, the medic out in King County.

Yes. Firefighter. It's bizarre that you know the county that he works in. Oh, because he just got hired there. So he was telling me all about it. Okay. Yep. In Washington there.

Anyway. So Stevie heard Cam was getting his black belt And he got his purple belt Stevie did A good stretch ago Yeah at a camp So it was like he was at camp They presented him as purple belt

Stevie here you go But you owe an Iron Man It wasn't at camp It was at a class in Caldyspell Oh was it? Yeah oh okay Because he comes out to visit Right

And it was one of the times He came out to visit I was there and I remember them saying You owe an Iron Man I think he probably forgot that Well he didn't. But he was, he found out about Cam's black belt.

He's friends with Cam. So he booked his flights. He's coming out. And then Cam calls him and he's like, hey, dude, you owe an Ironman. You might as well just do it this night. No, Stevie could have gone to like a little gym. Like seven people. Yeah. So he did a three-hour Iron Man as well.

For a belt he has been wearing for a few months. So anyway, because there's a lot of excuses to not be there for that. when when uh on his part but he's a stud it was awesome he is a stud yep and uh he he had great it like yeah it was it was awesome to watch and then rats did awesome he got his uh brown belt and uh he's he's a fun guy to train with it's a it's a cool it's a cool thing mm-hmm um yeah yeah it's cool some people use as an opportunity to try to get one up on you oh for sure when you're 30 or 40 fucking people deep yeah it's like all right I also can remember things, sir.

Yeah. I think that you see a lot more of that with the new people, like, because there's every eye on you. Like, you know, there's three guys rolling. So you're watching everybody roll and tap and everybody claps after, you know. And- I haven't been through it a few times at this point. You forget that there's a lot of eyes on you, though.

Oh, for sure. Within two or three people, that's like, it's irrelevant. Yeah. When you're the one rolling, you don't care at all. Like, you're just doing your thing. But as a new dude coming off the mat or off the wall. to come in and roll, there's sometimes you see guys,

like especially white belts, they're like, oh, this is my opportunity to show the coach. Look at your blue belt, Iron Man. So I got to tell you this story. So you had just started.

I was the first guy on the wall. Yeah. And were you even on one stripe? I had just gotten it. Okay. So you've been training for three weeks. No. Leah helped me,

she didn't put me into cap for like four months. Okay. So you were brand new. A hundred percent new. I was one of, like, I don't think I was the first guy on the wall because I think a child was there. Yeah. So they go by belt order. But you were the, my first role.

I was within like first three. Yeah. And I was getting my blue belt. So my family's there. Which is still your current belt. Let's be very clear. Yeah. This was like six years ago.

It was three years ago. So, uh, so I roll with you first and nobody knew who you were. Uh, because Craig, Craig got his blue belt that night. Yep. You Craig and Mike. Yep. That's right. And I think Sean, did Sean get his blue belt that night?

Just the three of you. Okay. So anyway, I roll with you first. And so the first three white belts come out and you just pair up and you and I were like bros. So here we go. And I'm sitting there like, what is this thing? Yeah, you're like, I am going to win. Yeah. So we had like a 10 minute roll. Yeah. And it went back and forth. And I remember at some point hearing everybody clap for like several times. The other dudes had gone through several guys working their way down the wall. Because this is a couple hour event. And I remember thinking, if I'm spending this long per person, I am going to be here all night. And at some point, I think you got a cross-collar. I don't even remember what you got. But you got me at tap. And my daughter, she goes, dad, aren't you supposed to win against the white belts? That's my bad. It's my bad.

It was good. It was perfect. And then at the end of the night, Craig, because nobody knew who you were. I think I had like a 20 or 30-minute roll with Craig. Yeah. He goes, who's that fucking? an asshole white belt. And I'm like, oh, that's my buddy Andy.

How did that go for you? Because I was rolling at the same time I didn't see it, you know. And he's like, who the fuck is that guy? Sorry, Craig. That's also my bad. It's my bad. I didn't know. It's all good.

You still do it. No, you're just a lot quicker now. I give people an honest role. And that's all you can do. That's all I can do. I had super limited knowledge and tools. Yeah. And I just used what I had over and over again,

which was not really an ability to advance in position at all. It was awesome. It was a good time. Yeah, no, it feels good to be back on the mats. And yeah, I'll be gone this week. But that's just life. I'll be in and out. I missed it a lot.

I was on the road for almost a month and I missed it a ton. But I also came back and like my joints felt better than they had in a really long time. Yeah. And a lot of things actually clicked for me in my head. Because I was thinking like, your first day back on the mat, you're like, son of a bitch. Do I actually remember any of this? And then I went through class. I'm like, oh, okay, yeah, yeah, it's going to be all right.

Did my first rule. And I was thinking about things differently than I was. before I left. And a couple of things that I had been struggling to connect the pieces kind of click for me. I was like, oh, wow,

that's wild. I didn't do any physical practice, but I was thinking about this when I was gone. And so it's, I hated being gone, but I definitely appreciate the time that I spent away from it too.

Yeah. Yep. If that makes sense. I can totally relate, although I had too far of a break in service there with hunting season and all that, but a break in service.

It's calm it down there. Officer Nelson, like, take it easy. Yeah. So, but it feels so good in the community is awesome. Like all three of those dudes getting promoted, I knew them super well. I was bummed.

I missed Cam's black belt. I was supposed to be back and they added the media stuff on the tail end. So it was in New York and stuff. Fuck. Yeah. Because, you know, all the other belts, I hear people say this. They're all important to the person getting them. But the one at the end of the day for people who see the course that actually matters is their black belt.

So I was bummed to miss it. He's well deserving of it for sure. 100%, man. that dude is, he is a savage. Yeah. Yeah. And cheers to him, man. He was calling everybody to invite him to his black belt, Iron Man.

So he called me. He's like, hey, I hope you can make it. And so that's a big, you know. To move is like, hey, it's two weeks from now, but it's actually the next day. There's five people here? Yeah. Weird. Mooses?

I don't know what happened. I'm going to keep that trick under my hat. What else you got going on? So sledding, I'm looking at Spring Bear. It's coming up. I'm pretty excited for hunting season. I pulled an Idaho tag for a rifle rut elk tag with my buddy Aaron. Rifle,

right, okay. So it's like, it's actually early October. And my buddy Aaron has hunted it for a bunch of years. And so I'm going to go with him this year. And so it'll be like right after archery. So if I can kill a bull in September and then kill an Idaho bull,

it'd be really fun to just hunt with Rose and you guys and see what's on the calendar. What is it, March for tags? Yeah. When is it? It's coming right up. I can't remember if it's March or... Just do what you do every year and text me multiple times to remind me because I will 100% forget.

We'll switch up our Antelope zones this year. Yeah. Yeah. You think? That'd be awesome. Asshole. Yeah. But I don't know what happened to you.

I killed Antelope. Yeah. Good for you. And Leah did. She did. Yep. Hers was the best. Yeah, it was awesome.

She's like, where's that box arounds? That, uh, Diamondback comes in handy. How awesome were these things? Dude, that was sick. And again, I'm not going to turn this into a diamond back ad, but I'll tell you this. I've, since I've started working with it, I've had three or four iterations of a truck. And the first call that I make every time is to Andy, the guy I work with there. And the reason for it is easy.

Like right now I've filled the snow. Yeah. The first year I was up here, I had nothing on the back of my truck bed. And it becomes completely a useless part of your vehicle for the entire winter months. Yeah. Yeah, I got one on my new work truck. Yeah. You should have one on it.

You can lay on top of those things. Yeah. You can stay. I think it's like 1,400 pound capacity. They're badass for sure. They're not cheap. I totally get that, but you get what you pay for with those things.

Yeah. And they make a good shooting platform for Antelope. They do. Yeah. The mistake that people will make is while you're trying to shoot those, sometimes they lean on the side of the car and try to spot for you. And you're like, what the fuck is going on here?

Yeah. It's the worst. Drink coffee. Hold still. Hold your breath. Yeah. So. Yeah.

No, I'm excited. Last night I was doored up with Aaron and at work, we were talking about the Idaho tag and we were swapping onyx points and it just got me fired up for hunting season. So pretty stoked. Yeah. Yeah. It seems for me it seems like light years away. It is a long ways, but if you don't plan it out, it doesn't happen. I rely on you to put the plan together and then I just put in the appropriate tag request. Yep. And now I've got a lot of points. So I might pull a special Montana tag too.

Like a What species? Well, I've got moose and sheep. What was it? You shot? I got to go a couple years ago. By sheep, do you mean the curly ones? Yep, big one.

Yep. And that's like the most sought after. I would say for a western hunting person, a ram is like one of the most sought after hunts. Would you go back in here where you got that billy down by Big Sky? Because you see them on the side of the road there. Right. No, there's another zone that produces huge.

huge trophy Rams that I've been putting into. And so have you. Sweet. I feel like you have more bonus points that I do. I literally, you text me. You've probably got three now. How many do you have? 15.

Okay, so I have a while to go. Yep. Yeah, well, I drew my goat tag on 12. Rose drew her trophy elk tag on maybe 10. That's a lot of time. Yeah, it is. But it adds up, man. You've already got three going on four.

Yep. So. Soon to be four going on five. Got to do it because when you do draw one of those tags, it's so fun. It's a target-rich environment. It's just selecting what you want to shoot, you know. And if it's down to the wire, then take one of the, like Rose's elk, for example. We probably saw on a low day, 26-point bowls a day.

In the breaks? Yep. And on a high day, 50. That's pretty crazy. It is crazy. It's unlike anything. And the same thing, when I got my mountain goat tag, I see mountain goats hiking and glacier and all that.

That would be the best place to hunt. Yeah, totally. Do they do a glacier tag? Because I put it in for that. No, they don't. You could literally just walk up to probably five feet from it. Like, nope, next, next, next. You might have a problem getting out of the park with it?

Yeah. Yeah. Well, you know what's interesting is how I was reading a bunch of Montana history and when the park became a park in 1910. Before that, trappers and hunters would hunt in there for years. And when it finally got established, the park rangers and game wardens, and I don't know if there was game wardens back then, but for sure, park rangers, because this book I read was the first ranger.

They didn't even touch the dudes that were trapping in there for years because they kind of understood like, hey, you guys have been doing this. It might also be how they're making their living your feet in their family. It was. It was because they were getting beaver pelts before they made felt. They were using beaver for hats. And it was like a super sought after thing, the flathead beaver. Okay.

But anyway, I was just thinking about that because they let those guys kind of grandfathered in, hunt in the park. And nowadays, like one generation removed, you get a new park range. That's never going to happen. So I look at that with like losing rights for snowmobiling or for hunting, like certain private lands that get, or certain public lands that get bought up and turned into private. Yeah. They're like, oh, we're not really enforcing this or you guys can do, but like one generation later, boom, it's closed.

shut down. Yeah. Not even public lands getting bought up. I'm sorry, not private land. No, public land not getting bought up. Private land that landlocks. 100%. Public land.

Yep. Because essentially it's the same thing. It rings around it. And you're like, son of a bitch. Yeah. I'm landlocked. Yeah. You're not getting in there to hunt without access permission.

Yeah. But like you said, you might get a sweetheart deal with the purchaser. Yeah. Purchaser's kids is going to say, hey, don't you pack rocks. Yep. So when I first moved out, I was hunting down and brought. for trophy mulees. And I didn't know what a trophy muley was back then.

And we were killing big bucks. It was fun. And it was this family of the porches down there in Bradus. And they had hunted it for 25 years, the friends that I was with. They die. The kids get the ranch. And they hit us up. The years we're like making plans.

They're like, yeah, so it's $200 a deer. And it's a $1,500, like, access fee. Yeah. So it would have been, I mean, because we shot some doughs, well down there. So it would have been like $2,500 and we're like, dude, we're pitching money together to get gas money to get down there. I mean, it sucks.

It's their right to do that. I get it. But that's a tough pill to swallow when you're the one who actually has to deal with the real life change of that. Yeah. And with how popular hunting has become, everybody knows what their lands worth now. Because it used to be like, yeah, you can go hunt there. Now it's like, well, we got an outfitter that's paying a lot of money to go walk on our

property. And I can't blame them either, you know? It's just change. But there's still plenty of opportunity. Mm-hmm. Yep, there are. Yeah. There is.

It's, that's why you got to find new spots. Like Antelope. We'll find a new spot this year. I enjoyed what I enjoyed about our Antelope hunt was that Leah was so fired up about it. Yeah. I'll be honest with you. I don't know if it's because of the size of the, it was delicious, by the way. We made, you ground it up, we made like a bunch of talk.

Fucking amazing. Delicious meat. So no, like, I absolutely loved eating. We still have a ton of it left. I just was like, it's like kind of cool. Yeah. But also at the same time, like, I don't, you know, I don't know how far I would drive to hunt an animal. Dude, I thought the same thing.

The first buck that I shot, I walked up on it. I'm like, huh, I'm used to see an elk laying down when I walk up. Yeah, it looks like about an elk's leg size water. And when I caped it, like, as I gutless quartered it, it was like Lela was with me. And I like fit all of them in one game back. all quarters. Yeah. At least it wasn't a feral dog

that you put on the internet portrayed it as a wolf. Yeah, exactly. Could have been worse. Oh man, that was hilarious. And yeah, people would just Google that. Go ahead. We talked about it on a previous podcast.

Yeah. The lady that shot the husky. Yeah. Thinking it was a wolf. What's new in the law enforcement world in the valley? How is that for you guys? Well, it's been steady.

Last few nights have been busy coming to work and there's a stack of calls to handle. Search and rescue stuff has kind of tapered off a little bit. I think it's lack of snow. Just people aren't, you know, like me snowmobiling. I've been out two days a week probably riding on my four days off. But it's, I'm not going as far back or maybe I, or I am going further back looking for

Powell. But when it's snowing, everybody's recreating. Yeah. You know, and if you have a choice, you're from like San Diego and you're going to fly out somewhere to go snowboard and you see whitefish hasn't gotten any snow. Yeah, you're going to go to Jackson Hole or somewhere else. So I just think it's lack of snow or just people are getting smarter and using in-reaches and stuff like that. We had a missing snowm last night down in Lake County.

But I don't know. As of 6 a.m., as part of those. As of 6 a.m., they were still launching it. Well, it's a different county. So they were notifying us for additional resources if it carried into it. That's right. Yeah, because I flip into Lake County when I head down to the Proctor House. Yep.

Yep. So they were just giving us a heads up. Like, hey, if this extends, then we're going to need some research. resources. Sure. But, you know where the in-reach came in really handy? Antarctica. Oh, no.

Yeah. I was texting through it the entire time. Dude, I bet. Yeah, because you sent me a ton of messages. Yeah. It was so convenient to just have it. And I would kind of leave it in the tent because it would receive through the tent. I would just have it through the one of the little tent pole at attachment points into

the tent had a little string on it. I would just clip it right there. Yep. And when I would walk back and my phone would connect to the Bluetooth, I'd get a couple messages, send them off and then go right back. That's awesome. I thought you were going to say when it fell into the creek. No.

Because remember that first part of the story, I was saying I used the carabiner and put it on to this trip. Have you replaced your energy? I did. I pointed out. Yeah, this is 3.0. Yeah. I don't care if it's 5.0. It's fucking worth the money.

It's a necessity. 100%. And like at this point, you and I should be sponsored by Garmin. I know. Because we, I mean, and there was a bunch of people in and archery. You're like, what is that? Oh, I was going to ask, did your crew, did they know about Enreach?

So Mike picked up, I did tell them about it. I don't know if I did a great job explaining exactly what it was. I think they might have confused it for a GPS, which it does have mapping and a logging feature. But another cool thing with that, every time you send a message, if you go into the settings, it can send your position as well, too, or you could set it up on intervals. He got, Mike got an iridium go, I want to say. So it was like a portable little station, but I think they were all using, it was,

They were able to communicate a little bit, and I guess you could turn your cell phone into a sat phone through it. From my recollection, the experience wasn't that great. But they were all like sharing the same phone to text. And it was like, that's, you know what I mean? Like, cool. Right. I'm going to. Enreach is money.

It is that Garmin has the most, I think the best technology on using satellites. And I mean, that's why I moved away from Spot. Yeah. They're another similar device, but... I think they have the broadest coverage, the Garmin guys too. Yep. Yep. Did you get the newest edition, that Mini 2? Are you still on that mini?

I'm on the same Mini 1. Yep. Because I noticed the big difference was battery life. Did you have to charge yours a bunch? It wasn't very heavy use because we weren't... Right. Turn it on for an hour and turn it on for an hour. I could turn it off for the rest of the day.

I would turn it on when I wanted to. I think I would charge it like every two or three days. Okay. Yep. But, yeah. It's got a pretty good battery. Yeah. All the way on, it'll last you like two days.

Yeah. Depending on what kind of usage you're setting it up for. Yeah. It's just, I'm like, how can you not have that thing? Oh, man, I have it in my snow wheel bag right now. And I have still the unlimited plan. I usually drop it outside of hunting season just because I don't use it as much. But I still have unlimited texting on it.

So I think it's $50 a month or something like that. And then like motorcycle riding. I'll have it with us. Just, yeah, it's handy. What shift to you on now, nights? I'm on nights. What do you get another week? Well, I'm gone next week.

I took vacation for this alpine trip. So I think I come back to days. But we're talking about bidding. I heard you say that earlier today. What exactly does that mean? So I don't know exactly what it's going to look like, but basically based on seniority, you'll bid for your shift. There's three shifts, days, swings, nights.

And again, this is super premature. sure, but if you bid, you can bid, I think we're going to do like quarterly bids. I feel like that would be very beneficial for you guys. Oh, man, it would be awesome. And I don't know what there might be resistance in the office, but, man, it'd be so much more healthy, even if you're on nights to be able to predict what you're going to be working. And, you know, on your days off, you can kind of keep that night owl schedule versus like right now we do a month.

There's some people who really like night schedules. And I like swings. That's what I, because I can be at. at Jitsu before work. Yeah. So on days, I get off at five. Jitsu is at seven. And in that two hours, there's a big crash.

Yeah. You know, you get home. It's called nap time. Yeah. Dinner's being made and all that. And then on nights, I'm sleeping through the noon class because that's like four hours after I get off or five. Even when you're not on nights, you're sleeping through the noon class.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Usually that's when I take a nap. So it works out really good. Well, you're definitely not a class. Well, I watch a lot of YouTube.

Good. So. I thought that's what he'd do on shift. I did watch the Ritolo brothers. Have you checked those guys out? I'm very peripherally familiar with who they are. I went down a rabbit hole last night and freaking insane. They're like 19-year-old prodigy black belts that are crushing.

Yeah. You have no idea how much I wish I had learned my basic human movement patterns on a mat. At the age of 45, like you see, and again, I have absolutely nothing but respect. for them. You son of a bitch. Yeah. They won the lottery as far as that particular pathway in their life. It's amazing what they're able to do.

And yeah, I'll never be able to do it. But I definitely, it's like inspirational. Yeah. Respect. Just Leah was describing it. It's their movement is less technical and more, what was the word that she used? Instinctual.

Like it might be hard to teach people to move the way that they do, but they have spent so much time on the mat that they can instinctually get a head. head of people, which I don't know if you can teach that, but it's fucking amazing to watch. Yeah, it's just that 10,000 hours, like watching their hips just switch. Just like when you were talking about with Jim Miller doing the scissors sweep and his hips like, don't even bother people. And then came back in.

Don't even bother trying to sweep Jim Miller. Because what's going to happen is you're like, yes, no. Yeah. And now you're in a bad position. Yeah. Yeah. Because you committed to the suite. The only that saved me is he hadn't been into a guy in a while so he blew his grips out.

And I could also hold on to him too. Yeah. Like, nope, no, no, no, no, no. You stay right there. I went snowmobiling the other day. with Jay Moulton. Have you ever had him grab your grip? The purple belt? Yeah. Yeah, he has, is he purple? No, he's a brown belt. He has some of the biggest banana fingers I've ever seen. And that dude rips on a sled too. He's good at anything. Yeah. And he would be a nightmare as a

proctologist. Like, he'd be like, son of a bitch, full commitment. Oh, man. I mean, he might have to run from across the room. Yeah. If he grabs my collar, I don't even try breaking. I'm just like, okay, let's be. Well, he works with his hands too. Yeah. Yeah. The first time he grabbed, I think we slapped it and bumped, but it's like, his hand was like... Wrapped over. I was like, oh, God. Yeah.

Yeah. What else, man? It's a Friday episode, so we don't have to go crazy. Yeah, no, man. I'm stoked about spring bear. We should do some bear hunting this spring. Bear doesn't fire me up really either. I love the bear meat.

The meat's good. And I just got my cape back from my bear last year. Yeah. It's pretty cool. Again, it's another animal where I'm not against it at all. If everything would, like, perfectly align and I had the time off my schedule, I would totally join you. But if I thought of any one single thing to do, to include reading the ingredients on a macaroni and cheese box, as opposed to go bear hunting,

I probably would. Yeah. Well, it's fun for me to get out in the mountains and hike. You are a mountain man for sure. Yeah. You thrive in the outdoors, which I definitely deeply appreciate. And you have an innate ability to take more time off work than anybody I've ever met. I kind of get it because, you know, Jason, he trades and does stuff. But dude. We've kind of figured it out. Yeah, must be playing the most fucked up game of like cards when it comes to, okay? There's a lot of maneuvering. Last night I put in for a bunch of hunting time off.

Smart man. Yep. You put in for time in October in February. Yep. Yes. But I don't know what tags I might draw. And so if I get one trophy tag, it's going to change everything, like how I approach the season. Besides that, Idaho tag, I know how much time I need for that.

So I took a bunch. I didn't take as much for bow season yet. I feel like we're going to get another change. chance to do a Christensen film, which I think that film, for anybody who's interested, you come out, we've both seen the edit of it. I thought it was awesome. Oh, it looks awesome. Yeah. It looks more fun than it was. Like in the wind. Like, it's just so cinematic, like the wind coming across at like 45, but like the sparkle of the snow. Yeah. When in reality, it's like, I actually can't see because my eyes are frozen shot. And you were like, 100% right when you're

like, it's full value. We couldn't shoot anything right now. So I was like thinking when we were in that moment like well I know where there's some like spots where the wind's not hammering right now we would have stocked in to a contact shot yeah totally yeah which I've done yeah it looked right though um so I would say within the next two weeks that thing will be out cool cool I could be totally wrong yeah we'll have to talk about if we do want to do another one what what animal and what type of hunt I would say we do we roll in the antelope I would almost recommend to them we do a lot of self filming yeah and then maybe link up with a larger crew for a shorter time period because then you can get a broad

sweet spot. Yeah. The elk is by far my favorite animal. Yep. To hunt other than like a 23 to 25 year old Afghan male with an AKA. But as far as over here, like it's my favorite, but we could give them a brother sweet spot. Yeah. What?

I don't know. I'm just being honest. No, dude. I like it. I've never experienced that. So I respect it. Yeah, for me, I think for sure elk. I love elk hunting.

But there's, I think, a psychological bonus in my mind because I know when I kill an elk, I'm set for meat for the year versus like a trophy deer, let's just say, like the converse of elk. A couple months probably. Yeah. Depending. And it's awesome. I love hunting deer. What are your thoughts on caribou?

I would love to hunt a caribou. I think that's on my bucket list. They just look cool as shit. I have heard they're dumb as a box of rocks and I don't care. I want to go. Apparently, if you can find them, there's always a lot of them, but finding them can be very difficult. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know anything about it.

I don't either. I'm repeating things. I've heard other people say. So I could be completely wrong. Dude, this video just dropped the other day. Stuck in the rut. Do me a favor. Just don't use words like that anymore.

Drop. Say, hey, I saw this video. Okay. I saw a video. If I can reach you, I actually might slap you right now. Bring it. I've been training eight times. Yeah.

You've been training. That slab would miss. Anyway, stuck in the rut. It's this film crew that they film awesome hunts. They do like a lot. I got into them watching mule deer hunting in Idaho. But anyway, they have this grizzly bear hunt that they just did. Nope.

Nope, nope, nope, nope. And dude, this guy shoots this bear three times, all lethal shots. And the bear stands up. And then what happened was they had a hot charge in the gun. And the primer backed out. and jam the bolt. And it's like a super legit. Is it modern era rifle?

Yeah, 700. So he tried, so he actually tried to pull it back and it only pulled the primer out? No, so he shoots. Yeah. And they're debriefed. This is what they're figuring. So he shoots and you're watching the bear. Hits the bear.

Yep. And him and his sister are hunting this. Hits the bear three shots. One was high spine or like just below the spine. The other two were in the vitals, like one shoulder, one lungs. Yep. And it's a monster Alaskan bear. I think, I don't know if it's a Codiac or what species of gris, but anyway, it's huge.

And way up on a snowfield and he shoots it three times and you hear him racking the bolt. And then you hear him messing with a bolt. And what they think happens is his third shot, the primer ejects from a hot load. Okay. And gets jammed into the chambering or into where the bolt closes. So he had ejected the old. shell. He's trying to put in the new one and the bolt won't close and the bear starts coming down the mountain towards them. They get it all on film. It was, I was sweating, dude. They end up

retreating from all their gear. Yeah. Because they're up kind of on a knoll and it drops down below and they knew if they stayed there, they'd only have a 20-yard gap of a reaction time. So they backed down to this band of rocks that was like they ran. Yeah. And he has a rifle that doesn't work and a pistol. It was a, I think, a Casool with five rounds in it. And the bear chart, like, straight up charges him and he blasts it. He, he, blasts it. How many rounds total did he put in the bear? Four. Well, four out of the Casool, three out of the rifle. Seven rounds. Yes. Yes. And it is, I'm telling you, you should, you guys should watch this video. It's, it's a long one. It's like 45 minutes because they put the whole edit up. Yeah. And it, it's insane. Yeah. But I've always,

I always wanted to do a bear hunt up there, and then I watched that. And I'm like, I mean, I'd still go and do it. But it sounds like a really crazy malfunction. Yeah. Yep. Absolutely. And this is a tried and true gun. They've hunted with it for years.

And I feel like you could look down and identify that. I don't know. When a bear is coming down the mountain, they said it like watching the film. You got to keep your shit together. Yep. Watching the film. It's moving slow. And you hear him racking the bolt.

Yeah. It turns out if he had dropped all the mag or all the bullets and then maybe tipped it over. And we're just visual. Yeah, I get it. And they, um, so her husband comes on and does the debrief on what they think happened with a rifle because he used his like back at home, used his flashlight to identify where the primer was. And it just was blocking the bolt from closing. So anyway, it was, it's a something you have to watch on the film, but I'll send you the link. Yeah.

It was like Alex Baldwin was operating that rifle. Yeah. I'm voluntary manslaughter. Yeah. Some very basic firearm. principles that would have prevented any of that. A hundred percent. Fake gun, cool.

Still don't point it at me. How's that? All, we're all going to live. Yeah. You know, but I digress. Close it out, dude. You got to go fight crime. Yep.

Did you, you're going to change into your Batman outfit here? Are you going to do back? No, I've got several hours. I'm going to go hit the gym and then go home, make some dinner and get your swell on first. Yeah. What do you think of a coffee shop? Dude, it's so awesome. So I walk in there.

This is my like 6 a.m. time. It's like 2 o'clock when I go in. ordered a 15 minute drink. Yeah, well, I didn't realize that you guys were pros. You make pourovers like I do at home. Yeah. Where I'm, I am not weighing and measuring anything.

And I pour water into it consistently until it basically touches the bottom of the filter. 100%. Yeah. Takes like six minutes. I still feel like I'm getting an elegant coffee. Coffee aficionado would smash that against the wall. Denver would actually probably not drink coffee as opposed to drinking coffee the way I make a cold. He'd be just like, this is trash.

Get this away from me. Well, I feel like I'm on the next level. because even at work, I won't drink the coffee in there. But anyway, so I show up the shop. I order this pour over. Yep. Because I'm like, I honestly don't go out for coffee much. So I'm looking at all these options.

And I'm like, well, pour over. That's what I do at home. Let's have one of those large. And she's like, gives me a sheet of like 18 different types of coffee. Which one do you want? And I'm like, do you have one that's already in the hopper? And she's like, yeah, the AK. I'm like, let's do that.

Yeah, it was good. So then the lady making comes over and she's like, are you the one that ordered the large pourover AK? I'm like, yeah. And she's like, just letting you know there's a lot of caffeine in this. And I'm like, just letting you know I'm up till six tomorrow morning. So let's go ahead and send it. It takes a while to make it too.

Like there's a very precise weight of coffee and then water that is associated with that. Temperature of water. Denver wants it within one degree. What is the temp? December Denver says it is. He could lie to me in sales. I did 12 on my little thing at home. Oh, he'd be disgusted with you.

Is that too hot? Very too, very hot. It would be burning the roast. Oh, should I drop it down to? I don't know. Evan's going to come up. That's as high as it goes. So I just did that and press start.

That's not always a good theory, even though that's how I operate too. So Evan's going to come up about a week before the shop does its grand opening on the 25th. And I've already talked to him about it. I want to do like Tuesday, Thursday, the week before. Like, have people come in and let's just let the founder teach you how to do poor. Yeah. Because he can explain it like the temperature.

And then I want to do. So what you're signed up for, the ECS. Yeah. Love that thing. Is it, I think it's executive coffee, exclusive coffee? Evans Coffey, Evans Coffee Club. I don't know what it is. Yeah, Evans Coffee Club. I'm going to try to get it. So we get like 15 to 20 bags of that at the shop per month. And so, and it'll probably be gone within the first few days. But you could come and order a pour over of that because the temperature changes per roast, how they do it? I just think that would be a super cool experience. Yeah. And one thing we already know we're going to add to the shop. We had it on the original designs and we took it off was a legit piped in. pour over station so the carafts you could weigh and then it would be like the exact right temperature so we're already looking at where to put it in because we're both like fuck we should have we should put that in there we talked ourselves out of it that shop is impressive bro so it's been open two days

today was the second day and i walked in and it's packed dudes are just like everybody's in there just typing on their computer i was impressed man there were a few people in there had been in like four or five hours today which do you have a timer going i could care less yeah i so i've been sitting there i've been spending a good amount of time there i've been spending a good amount of time the last two days. And I'm just kind of, I watch people when they come in for the first time and almost everybody does the same thing. They take a few steps in.

Dude, I did this. And they like look around and almost all of them will go like, God damn. Yep. And then that's exactly what we're, it's like we did it. Yep. And I've been in there during the build. Yeah. You know, and I walked in and I did the exact same thing.

Yeah, man. Yeah. So. Yeah, it's great. And this coffee was super impressive. Yeah. And special. So firefighters are half off and cops are double.

So just not neutral for us. Yeah, perfect. Yeah. I like it. All right, cool. All right, brother.