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Episode Date: October 2, 2026

A last-minute Friday episode, because I forgot we didn't have one. Michael worked under pressure. We open with the Roberts Ridge series. The criticism online was valid: I should have asked Mitch and Brian whether they believe John Chapman earned the Medal of Honor, and I should have pushed on why the members of MAKO 30 supported the Navy Cross narrative and then would not sign statements for the Medal of Honor. That gap has to be addressed directly. I also explain where I actually land on the medal, why Pat Tillman is the example of what happens when you lie to protect a legacy, and why I am not a protector of the SEAL brand. The other side of the table is coming on in mid-October. From there, a report that an AI chatbot hallucinated nuclear components on a Chinese cargo ship and had aircraft scrambled before someone caught it. Michael and I argue about whether AI art is art. A judge blocks the White House from pulling press credentials, and I explain why censorship never works and what I would do as press secretary. Lincoln shut down hundreds of newspapers during the Civil War. The last U.S. troops leave Iraq, and we talk contractors, Title 10 versus Title 50, and why Afghanistan still stings. A pilot stabbed his co-pilot on a flight to Tel Aviv and the plane dropped 14,000 feet before passengers got into the cockpit. Today's Sponsors:  Helix: Go to  ⁠https://www.helixsleep.com/CLEAREDHOT⁠ for 27% off sitewide. AG1:  Visit ⁠https://www.drinkag1.com/clearedhot⁠ to get an AG1 Pro YETI Shaker in your AG1 Pro WelcomeKit.

Okay, got the red smoke. So the smoke, I'm looking at danger close now. Do you enjoy the fact, Michael, that I dropped on you? We just did a three-plus hour episode with a guy that you recommended it, suggested. That I suggested? Yeah. I didn't suggest him. Who knows?

Anyway. But now here we are again because I told you, hey, we have to do a Friday episode because I forgot that we didn't have one. Yeah, that's fine. I mean, I work very well under pressure, so. I know what I wanted to open with. You, so last week, we didn't do a Friday episode because we did a three-part series on Talkergar, also known as Roberts Ridge. I stand behind my thoughts that it could very well be renamed Ranger Ridge, given the massive amount of time that they spent up there, the loss of life, the casualties.

God, I'm so happy that we got to sit down and hear those Rangers tell their story about that. And I don't want to speak for you, but I'm assuming you probably didn't know much about. No, I mean, I knew the name Roberts Ridge, and that's all. After sitting through those episodes, what are your thoughts? Hmm. Well, take this with a grain of salt in that I'm not, you know, anywhere near the military world. but I do think it's a very, it's a bold move to say that somebody who is deceased

and earned the Medal of Honor should not have earned the Medal of Honor when the narrative is that you acted very heroically. Agreed. And like I don't know what's right or wrong, what happened, what didn't happen. And like I said, I don't know what the military procedure is for all this. But yeah, I don't know. Going after a deceased Melvinia recipient is just bold. And that's.

Yeah. There's been some very valid criticism online. And one of them was, why didn't I ask Mitch? Yeah, I saw that. Yeah. And here's the thing. And this is what I try to tell people. First, I'm not perfect.

And I've never sat down. had a perfect conversation with somebody. I've never done an episode where it's like, I, I retire. That was the best ever, every question. I always want to change something. That was incredibly valid criticism. Why didn't I ask Mitch if he thought that Ritz-Labinsky deserved the Medal of Honor as well? I should have asked that.

I wish I would have. There are pros and cons to me not having seen that information before they presented it all. I had about 15 different thoughts going on in my head at any one given time. but there are two things I wish I would have changed about that. One was I wish I would have asked Mitch and Brian that question. And two, and I don't know why maybe just the episode actually the last one when I asked, asked, I believe it was Mitch, but it could, and I guess the question was to both of them, what else they wanted to go over?

They kind of like, hey, we'll leave it at that. The biggest hurdle, or one of the biggest hurdles and a question that needs to be asked and answered directly, if they want to or anybody wants to move on from this or go forward from this, is why did the members of MAKO-30 support the narrative summary and the Navy Cross Award associated with that for John Chapman? They wrote statements supporting him. Why are you going back on what you said before? Right. Yeah, that's a good question too. And I don't want to hear, because I know what can be said.

They'll say, we wanted to protect the legacy of the fallen, which is valid, but not a justification for lying. Because it is my understanding that they supported the Navy Cross, but then they would not sign the statements in support of the Medal of Honor. And there is a huge gap there. And I'm open to being wrong here, but that's my understanding of what has happened. Somebody can please point out to me if that's not the case. but that has to be directly addressed because that is a huge WTF in this like why are you changing your story now as time has gone on? Yeah. And this is an argument for there is never a time and place where it works out to lie.

And I will use the Pat Tillman example of this. Are you aware of who Pat Tillman is? Yes. I know he was a former NFL and then joined the military and I know there's controversy surrounding. There is no controversy. He was killed by friendly fire. Okay. They tried to and did award him a silver star for, and I don't know the exact verbiage, charging uphill in an enemy position.

There was no any position uphill. Okay. From what I can tell, this has been pretty extensively documented, that the military, and I'm not going to say it was the army because I don't like it when people say things like the army. It's like, who are you talking about? Yeah. There's hundreds of thousands of people. Right. The people involved in this, in the award of that citation or the citation associated with that award, it seems.

very clear that they knew that the narrative was not correct very, very early on. And still decided to go with. And still decided why? We got to protect the family. We'll protect our legacy. Maybe there was even some aspect of that. We're going to protect the army. But guess what?

Given enough time, this shit always comes out. Right. Yeah. You have to tell the fucking truth. Yeah. So I get it. Do you, you know, you don't have to tell the family in this instance of John Chapman. And let's just to say that, you know, that the Maco 30 people,

lied, which is all that it is. You can't say we made that, no, you fucking lied. And if that's the case, you don't have to tell the family member that somebody made a tactical error. And the family member is not even going to understand the tactics that we're involved. And I'm not saying he made a tactical error.

But to me, that is such a huge gap in like, why did you say this and why is this changing now? Because if it wasn't true then, what you're telling me is we lied then, but we need you to believe me now. And I have a problem with that. Why should I believe you now if you showed that you lied then?

And don't try to rosy color glasses this thing to me. It's a fucking lie. So to the people out there who were criticizing that, I hear you. And you were correct. I wish I could have had an opportunity in a time machine to go back and ask those two questions and then go back to 1997 and tell myself to invest in Bitcoin. But I don't have that time machine. Sure, well, it could have.

And I'm going to be honest with you. If I only had the chance to do one, I might go back to 1997. Yeah, you'd be. He'd be a very rich man. I do the best I can. And like I said, pros and cons to not seeing the information up front. One, I feel like I was able to ask questions as they came to me. But two, there was so much that at times I'm thinking 15 different things.

Right. Yeah. And I feel like also I see there are a lot of comments that were like, oh, just seals trying to take Valor away from whatever. And I think kind of lumping you into that. but I think people are free to their opinion. I think I did my absolute best to maintain my objectivity. I am not a protector of the seal brand. Yeah.

By any stretch of the imagination, I'm very proud of my service, but I want to be able to be proud of the community. What people don't see are the thousands, if not tens of thousands of successful operations that have occurred, the moral standard being held, the things that don't make national news. I've been a part of Trident Review Boards

and removing people from command positions. in leadership positions because they fell short. None of that shit makes the news. There are some very public things that the SEAL community needs to own and work through via hard conversations to regain their integrity that I think that they deserve. But if people think that I'm not going to talk about the hard things or call the community out that I was, I feel very fortunate to have been a part of a long time ago in my life, then I don't know what to tell you because I'm not that guy.

That's what I was said. Like I think, well, I know you were just trying to get an objective look and weren't necessarily advocating for the version of events that Mitch was saying. Yeah. But rather just putting out, hey, here's one side of a story. Yeah. Go from there. Today's episode is brought to you by Helix. This remains the easiest ad read that I'm able to do because at least on the days that I'm home, I sleep on a Helix mattress.

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Back to the show. Yeah. It's, you know, the Medal of Honor, who deserves it and who does it, doesn't. To me, like the material finding one, material finding two, I think I said this during the show. You know, nobody knows exactly why Neil left the helicopter. Was he trying to?

Did he slip on the hydraulic fluid? There was a crew member that was thrown out because he very violently, Alan, the guy who we've had on the show. Oh, yeah. He very violently pulled it forward. It's almost like they were a fucking magnet. Wait, so was Alan one of the pilots in that? So Alan Mack, the guy didn't hear twice,

was flying the helicopter that Neil fell out. Damn, that's crazy. He's the one who crash landed it. Okay. You truly don't pay attention to the guests that we had. Well, no, I knew Alan was involved at some stage, but yeah. What stage do you think he was involved with? Well, flying of some sort, but I didn't realize it was the helicopter. Even though he described the events of...

Yeah, no, I mean, I just didn't realize that story was the same. This is a different perspective of that story. Do you know why? Because we're fucking paying attention. Oh, yeah, blah, blah, blah. So nobody knows did he slip, was he already half? Doesn't matter. They crash landed, they went to Gardez,

and they didn't have to get back on that helicopter. And one of the guys chose not to. But for everybody who made that decision, knowing where they were going to go, directly back to the X, what they were going to get into, if that decision to do that, and I would hope that I have the stones

to make that call in that moment, I think I said that on the show, but dude, I don't know because you never know unless you're in that situation. To me, material finding one, material finding two, I'll leave it to other people to decide whether or not those things rise to the level of the Medal of Honor. And people can be like, oh, well, what you're about to say, you know, that doesn't rise to the level of Medal of Honor. Cool. I don't know because I've never been on a Medal of Honor. A word board. I think every single one of those dudes who went back up to that mountaintop to include the pilots should be considered for it.

Yeah. And I don't think that what they showed, I understand what they're showing. And again, what I'm saying is based off of how I feel about the decision to go back up there, I do think that the Medal of Honor is warranted for CHAP. Yeah. So I'm open. I think that the episode brought up some interesting questions. I would like to see it.

Like to me, I was thinking about this afterwards. Don't we live in an amazing world of AI now where we could throw some of this compute at like, hey, do the people? pixel tracking now. You're like, show me you. Right. Yeah. There were some questions that were brought up that I think are deserving of answers for

sure. Well, yeah. And I mean, I actually agree. Like, even if there were no, like, it was a kitchen and whatever, like just the fact, of course, I don't know any of the criteria for Melvonner, but just the fact that he charged up there himself. Like, is that alone not bravery enough? But did he get on the fucking helicopter knowing, you know what I mean?

Yeah. All of that is based off of everything that happened afterwards. I'm like, dude, just the decision to go up there and hang it out like that. Yeah, like that in itself is pretty brave, I would say. Hopefully that answers people's questions about at least. And I'm also open to hearing the other side and I'm working right now to have, I'm going to say an Air Force response. I don't mean like an official Air Force response,

but two people coming on to talk about, I don't want to use the term rebuttal because I don't know if that's how they would describe it. but in all the opposing side of the tables version as well. So hopefully we'll host that in mid-October. Cool. Sounds good. Yeah. What do you got?

Okay. Well, you actually gave this one to me about 10 minutes ago. Mm-hmm. Which I did not know this existed. Okay. You know what this is, right? You showed me. I didn't actually show you.

I saw it. this would be a good thing for you to open with. This wanted you to understand what world leaders did before they became world leaders. Well, yeah, now we know. Hit play on that thing. Yeah, I'm turning the volume up real quick. Look at that powerful stash. Powerful.

Are we sure this isn't AI? No, we're not sure. I think that's AI. Do you think so? Yeah. So is this the video that you were talking about, though? No, there's another one where he's just bouncing his junk all over the place. Oh, I definitely haven't seen that.

I feel like that's AI. I don't know. I don't think that's real. He was an actor, though. I did know that. And like pretty famous, right? In Ukraine, right? I have absolutely no idea what fame in Ukraine means or who is famous in Ukraine.

Me either, but that's just what I chose to believe it. All right. Now that we're just fully up and running, and for today's last minute, negligent discharge Friday, what else do you got? AI almost causes, I'm not going to say war, a conflict with China. Did it, though? That's, this is what a, it hallucinated, um, a vessel having, uh, like military, whatever on it. Hold on.

And according to an exclusive CNN report, the incident unfolded from the following key details. The false claim, a U.S. Special Operations Command analyst used an AI chatbot to review cargo manifest data. The chatbot hallucinated and misidentified the ship's materials falsely claiming the geopolitical... Yeah, I'm not sure what's going on there. Falsely claiming the Chinese vessel

was carrying components for a nuclear weapons program. The near miss. Believing the intelligence was real, the military scrambled aircraft and prepared armed personnel to board and intercept the vessel. The halt. Officials aborted the mission at the funnel moment

after discovering the AI-generated assessment was completely wrong. Sources noted that an armed confrontation with, why are these G-political... I don't know. With a Chinese state vessel risked an immediate... military escalation. Broader context.

Scroll down. The close call occurred as the Pentagon accelerates the integration of generative AI tools into military planning and targeting under Defense Secretary Pete HECS AI acceleration strategy. When did this occur? Last week, I think. Let me see.

I mean, have you heard about the lawyers using AI to create their briefs and stuff like that? It's citing case law that doesn't exist. Yes. And this is the danger of outsourcing all of this stuff. This was spring of 26 and this just recently came out like last week. Okay. That's wild that one special operations command analyst used, dude, have questions.

So was this AI chat box on the secure system? Was this guy using this on an unclass system? Did he cross-pola? He's just using Chad GPT. Dear Grock, record my screen since I'm in, well, he would. have your phone in the skiff, but I mean, it's super dangerous. It's outsourcing the work. And if you're just going to take it at face value, like I'm not against, I think one of the greatest powers of AI is aggregating data, which is oftentimes what I use it for. And like I use it to provide transcripts for

the podcast, which can be used to create time stamps. Right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It aggregates that and spits it into a, they use a program called timestamp AI. And it spits out the time stamps at the bottom. A immense amount of time saved actually stuff like that. It's a lot. It's great. It's great. And also, if I fuck up a timestamp, I'm not worried about a geopolitical event occurring and boarding a vessel and potentially taking somebody's life. Yeah, a little bit lower risk scenario.

But like in a, you know, and the consequences are, it would be inaccuracy. And maybe somebody would make fun of me for a timestamp that said whatever. The illegal world where people, it's citing fake case law, which then undermines your ability or your respect or your places as an attorney. and then it impacts your client or the military world. I mean, dude, at least put safeguards in place. You're going to end up using AI. I mean, that era is here, but let's put safeguards in place

and maybe have a human being take another eye at this and it has to be disclosed that it's actually AI. I mean, damn. Well, luckily somebody did catch it, it sounds like. I wonder how they caught it. I don't know. Were they like, yeah, I don't know. But imagine being the guy.

I wonder if they used another AI chatbot to catch the AI. I feel like that's. what we're racing towards is you're going to have to use AI to keep track of other AI. Yeah. Well, I don't know if you've heard like that saying of like a robot can never be held accountable so it can, it should never be able to make a decision like this. The robot didn't make a decision. The robot aggregated, the AI aggregated data improperly and hallucinated.

That's what I'm saying is it never should be able to make the final call on this stuff. It didn't. Humans did based off the information presented. I know, but I'm saying like hypothetically, that should never be allowed to happen. But what if our enemies use it, Michael? That's the actual argument that you get against that. My God. I know.

Okay. What are your thoughts on AI? I generally hate it. Do you use it for anything? I bet you use it more accidentally or the systems that you use. I mean, the only thing I can think of off the top of my head is just like an AI overview that Google pops out. And for that, honestly, I don't hate it. Like, for menial tasks, I think it's completely.

fine like for hey create a spreadsheet for a budget this month that's great because it saves you like three hours probably of work it does but remember you're putting your personal financial information into a training data set yes well that's case and point to why i hate it is one it you never agreed to have your data uh trained on actually by this i i bet you did technically you probably did. Well, actually, I don't know, because anything you input into a site, you don't know what that site is, you know, if they're selling that data. Yeah, but we're talking specific. Let's use Claude or chat GPT. I bet you in their service terms, the stuff that we all scroll to the bottom and click without reading. Right. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, stuff like that.

I really, really hate it for anything that is like art related or creativity related because it just takes all creativity out. Like there's literally no effort. You don't like how well it can create that? No, no, no. I think I don't care about how well, quote unquote, well it does. I don't like that it takes the human aspect out of it. Wasn't the human doing the prompting?

I mean, think about this. What is an artist, right? An artist is simply is using tools to get whatever they want to on the media. And I'm not making an argument for people who do these, verbose AI chat prompting, but are they not having their creative hand on the wheel? Not real. I mean, anybody can be like, make me a picture with blah, blah, blah, blah. Yeah, but the best pictures, that's not the prompting that they use.

Have you looked at some of these prompts for these images? Yeah, the prompts are complex for sure. But they're more complex than the prompts you use, little bitch ass. Yeah, because I don't use AI like that because it's stupid. Yeah, but you're sitting here talking smack about artists who are now using the tool of our time, Michael. No, actual artists don't fucking use AI, bro. Who are you to decide who's an artist and who isn't?

I mean... Is the guy playing buckets on the street corner in New York? Is he an artist? You could argue. Okay, then why can't you argue that the guy using the prompts for AI... Because he's not creating anything. He is the one manipulative... No, he is the input that manipulates the output.

No, no, no. He just says create this and something... He has to tell it what to create. Yeah, but that's not creating something. You're saying input doesn't inform output on AI? Well, that's obviously true. Okay, then. Who's the artist in that situation? That's not the same thing.

AI. Based off of your input. Yes, but what I'm saying is there is a complete disconnect from your input, not like actual disconnect, but from you creating art. You're not creating it through the prompt. No, you're not. Really? A robot is creating it. So if you had no prompt and just hit enter, it would spit out a beautiful image?

It could. But it wouldn't. Do you know why? Because you didn't prompt it to. We are simply not going to agree on this. It doesn't matter. You can be wrong as much as you want to be wrong, Michael. All I'm saying is AI, quote unquote, art.

Let's say that one prompt is create something similar to the Mona Lisa. And another prompt is something completely different. We agree that it's going to give you two different outputs, right? Okay, yes. Based on what? What is changing the output? somebody's input. There you go.

Right, but that's what I'm saying is it's not creating art. Neither is the brush that is sitting in the painter's hand. It is the medium with which the artist, in that case, wearing a beret, of course, like the green. Of course. That's the medium that they are using to put it upon their canvas. Right. But what I'm saying is you are not actually creating anything. You are saying, you are telling something to create something.

Yeah. And the output is informed off of your input. Yes, something that you told it to do. You get something that looks like a stamp. If your prompt is amazing and layered in depth, you might get an image beyond belief. This is, I'm sorry, but this is a very classic boomer take from you. I don't, what's a boomer?

It's just about, well, you're not actually a boomer. I think you're millennial, but it's the, I think it's the generation before millennial or two generations before. But what's with the ad hoc or the ad hominem attack? Instead of attacking the argument, you're going to try to attack me as a person? I will take your own hand and slap you with it. Yeah, I know you will. And have, I think, actually.

No, but I'm just going to say it. Like, there is no actual creative process in, in. Tell that to somebody who spends hours working on their prompting and enhancing it. I wish you know that I have no idea what I'm talking about right I'm just enjoying absolutely fucking with you right now usually I'm saying if you spend hours creating a prompt for something else to make your art for you yeah but you're wasting your time not what if you sell it for a million dollars hmm that person is also wasting their time who are you to decide how whose time is spent valuably in one area versus another why do you get to be the

arbiter of time well spent? Because I want to. Okay. What are you basing it off? Your robust 23 years of life experience telling other people what's valuable in their life? 26, almost 27, by the way. And yes.

No, 23. At the best, especially based off this conversation. Yeah, of course, of course. Yeah. Anyways, bottom line, not real art. In your opinion. That's like your opinion, man. It is like my opinion.

What movie is that from? Oh, I don't know. What movie? This is my face of not being shocked at that answer. What movie? You look it up on your own time. It's a classic. Okay. So somehow we went from...

Yeah, you asked me my opinion on AI. And I gave you my honest opinion. Then you got mad at me. I'm not mad at you. I can tell that you're pissed. I'm not mad at all. Honestly, sometimes I just like twisting the knife on you. I know.

No, I know that you're mostly playing devil's advocate right now. But I am... Well, here's the thing. I'm not a creative person. meaning I couldn't create art where I don't I can't draw like but you could though like if you actually put your mind to it and practice every single day you would get better and eventually you would be yes good at drawing Michael I have as you do 24 hours in each of our day even though there's this crazy dude on the internet who's like I get up and do one day's work at six hours and then

I'm on day too and I make three hours out of 24 and I'm sitting there like holy cow this guy's a wizard yeah truly I don't know what kind of robe he's wearing, but he's a wizard for sure. It's like, okay, I think we still have the same 24. I cannot dedicate that much time to be able to do it. And what I'm saying is- Which is okay. And here's the thing, though. I think you can agree that there are people who could pick up what's, in this case, use a pen and paper,

who are more naturally gifted at that. Yes, I agree. What I am saying is I am not naturally gifted in my ability to draw. Could I improve where I'm at? Of course. I'm not going to dedicate my time to that. So for me, that tool can be helpful sometimes with ideation, but I'm nobody, because I feel like I'm not creative or an artist in that way. I'm actually not somebody to judge what an artist is.

Yeah. I mean, truthfully, me either. And like, I am being. Hold up your most recent creation that you show me before the show. Do it. Okay. Yeah. I got to find it real quick.

Yeah. It shouldn't be that hard. Yeah. It's pretty. It's pretty. Yeah. It really is right in your face. It's, oh, where is it actually?

Hold on. audience hold on oh here it is stand by for the big reveal stand by the big okay let me make sure the audience can see this real quick nice light it appropriately oh man

it's having a hard time it'll get there have faith well I think they can maybe get the idea I don't want them to get the idea I want it in crisp 4K well you're really doing light is way too bright

for a white piece of paper Yes. Yes. For your pasty-ass ginger face, it's a little bit different. I think I can get it pretty good. Good. Yeah. You really gave them a 3D experience.

Some of them might be ducking out of the way. It's really right in your face. Which, as we all know, is how you prefer. Of course. Of course. So. Oh, my God. We're off the rails today.

Yeah. Could AI create that? Yes. I can create that. I'm joking. Yes, I know. I'll give it some more. dimension.

Yeah. Perhaps change the perspective. Oh, man. What else you got? Um, some possible First Amendment violations.

Oh, sweet. Trump media ban recently. Oh, yeah. The Trump administration's attempt to institute a comprehensive White House media ban is currently locked in a high-stakes legal battle over a federal judge, after a federal judge temporarily blocked the restrictions. On September 18, 2026, President Trump abruptly revoked the press credentials of CNN, MS now, and political, labeling them fake news. However, U.S. district judge, Timothy Kelly issued a temporary restraining order on September 24th, 2026, ruling that the ban likely violated the First Amendment and due process protections and ordered the immediate restoration of their access.

Dude, just don't call on them. I can't think of a good example where censorship, again, this goes back to something very similar of lying. You can have all these clarifications, quantifications, justifications for lying. If you give it enough time, they all fall apart. And the shit actually comes out. It's very similar to me when it comes to trying to restrict speech or censorship.

just in the end, it's never going to look good. It's never going to work the way that you want to. This is the type of stuff that's going to happen. Just don't call on them. Yeah. Yeah. Just don't call on them. Because you're going to pitch a fit in years down the road.

When this ping pong goes back and forth, it's just fake news says who, says the people in power now. What are you going to do when the people in power shift and the new fake news becomes people that you think are real? Leave them in the fucking room. Don't call on them. Yeah. No, it's ridiculous. And also, I mean, just a pretty good slap in the face to the First Amendment. Let me ask you this, though. Do you think he's actually serious with stuff like this? Or do you think he's just fucking with people? No, I think he's serious. I think he's serious. I land on the other side. This seems so petty to me that I think he's just fucking with people.

But I don't like the fact that he has enough time on his hands, given what's going on in the world. Yeah. To think about fucking with people like this. Well, I mean, okay. So in the past, I would have said, yeah, maybe he's fucking with people. But even if that is the case, this is still insane. Like, it's not okay. Which is why the checks and balances are working, though.

Yeah. Yeah. So, I don't know. And especially with, you know, the office of the press. president is not a place where it's like, oh, let me just pull a prank real quick. For clarity, it is 100% where I would pull a prank. I know it's where you would pull a prank. Yeah, that's why you're not, well, actually, you might have a good chance.

No. I wouldn't want to do that job. I don't know. First off, it's not fair to anybody's family to just get absolutely drug the way anybody who's running for public office is. And two, I don't know if it has the power and influence that people think that it does. Like the conversation we were just having, and sometimes what I think people will refer to is the deep state or just the institutional people who are in power in Washington, D.C. that don't rotate every four or six or two years. They have been in these offices forever. The bureaucratic bloat is unbelievable. And they're the actual power brokers that have the cogs and the wheels. And they can either speed them up or slow them down. Yeah. So, I mean, I think you could probably go into there with the best of intentions in the world. But I don't know, man. Yeah. I mean, I'll tell you what job I would do.

What? Press secretary. That would be pretty fun. Bro, I would crush. That would be fun. I just want to do one day. Yeah. I would make up.

When they asked me questions, I didn't know the answer to, I would sell with a straight face, the most bullshit ridiculous answers. And when they said, I don't think that's true. I'd say, I don't think you're true. You're not real. I could do that job. Yeah. I would just act to you know the reality is I would answer the questions honestly but yeah that's a good question that treat it like a conversation you know and I feel like that's the easiest way to do it but so many of them on both sides are trying to protect the image of the president which I guess is like I get to an extent but also it's like I feel like no I feel like your job yes people are going to consume whatever they want to just get up there and tell the truth yeah you're the press secretary you're talking to the press which will then disseminate to the U.S. citizenship.

It's like, dude, just say the truth. Say what's happening. If they hit you something, you don't know. I'd be like, damn, that's a good question. Yeah, just say, I don't know. I don't know. I'll get back to you tomorrow. We're all going to be here tomorrow.

Yawning it again. And then actually get back. Yes. Like, because that's, yeah. That's the way. It's the way. That is the way. But yeah.

I would do that job. I would do press secretary. What else would I do? Hmm. Honestly, if they had a cool lawnmower, I would cut the grass at the White House. Yeah. I find that to be very cathartic, like throw some headset on.

Plus, I feel like they got a really banger mower. And you could probably do. And you could do stripes or like the box weave pattern. I think that would be dope. I hate cutting grass. I wouldn't do that job. Yeah, that's why I said I would do it. Yeah.

Good. Okay, you can have it. You'll get to a phase in your life where you like cutting grass. Maybe. Hopefully, because I'll have to do it for the rest of my life. Well, no, you have a choice as to whether or not you have grass where you live. Yeah, I guess. but I mean usually there's long.

How much grass you cut in now? Actually kind of a lot. We have a big yard. Oh, is that your penance for living with your mom and dad? I don't live with my mom and dad. Where do you live? In town. Who do you live with?

Not saying that. Guy or a girl? My cousin. It's a guy. Good answer. I don't know the laws on cousins in Montana. Third cousin, whatever. Yeah.

How come? you have to cut the grass. We switch. Pushmore or ride mower? Push. But if it was a ride mower, it would be way more fun. Hold on. Yeah. Cup holder, 360 degree turn capability. Okay, that would be kind of fun, I feel like. Yes, this is, you think I'm going to hand push the White House lawn? That's a big lawn. Now that's a lawn. Yeah, but if that was your job and you could go red, white and blue headset, American flag scarf, probably. That'd be sick. Double beverage holder. Nice. PSL. Now, you know, what's a PSL, Michael?

I had to teach you this today. Power supply. No, sorry, I was thinking about PSU. Power supply unit is a PSU when you're building computers. PSL. PSL. I offered you one today. PSL.

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Okay. What jobs would you do in the White House? I don't even know. There's so many. Yeah, I don't even know what, like. Is there any in the administration you would do? How about press secretary? Would you give that a go for a day?

Yeah, I would give it a go. I'd give it a go. I feel like I would be very good at it. I'm just very calm. I don't get very worked up. What if CNN was like, press secretary Shelton, what are your thoughts on banning AI-generated art in the White House?

Is it real art? I would say, in my opinion, no, it's not real art. But if the president wants to display AI art, I guess that's his. prerogative. Yep. It's good answer. See?

Perfect. Yeah. Perfect. I would be great press secretary. What? Do you think they'll call us? I hope so. Have they announced a permanent replacement to that one woman?

I'm sorry, I can't remember her name. She had blown here. Oh, I don't remember her name either. I don't. To be honest, I have no clue. Dude, just rotate me in there once a month. That's a great idea. I'll pay for my own travel.

I'm lodging in food, snacks. Everything. Yeah. Totally. Um, oh. Sorry, Google's being slow. No, President Don Shub has not yet an end of permanent success for following.

Oh, Caroline Levitt. That was her name. That was her name. So you're saying there's a chance. So you're saying there's a chance. What movie is that from? Dumb and Dumber. I love Dumb and Dumber.

You're not going to fool me on Dumb and Dumber. Okay. I like you have a track record of not being, you know, up to speed on movie quotes. What else you got? So this is along the same vein, actually. And something I was very surprised. to learn. Okay.

During the Civil War, Lincoln... Hold on, pull this up. Used AI? Yes. No, suppressed like 300 newspapers. Interesting. Censored newspapers, primarily democratic outlets, sympathetic to the Confederacy. Yeah.

Making it one of the most extensive periods of press restriction in U.S. interest in history. I did not know that either. Isn't that? I was very surprised. I'm not for that at all. No. I was very surprised to hear that.

Key actions and methods. Closures and seizures. Federal authorities and Union military commanders shut down newspaper offices confiscated printing equipment and barred critical publications from using the U.S. mail system. Wow. Journalists and editors were frequently arrested without due process or trial for opposing the military draft. Whoa. Discouraging enlistments or criticizing, excuse me, administration policies like the income tax.

I have no problem with criticizing the income tax, by the way. Suspension of habeas corpus. By suspending the writ of habeas corpus initially without congrats. Approval welcome to the current administration or current era where people just do shit without and crest Well beyond the current administration The administration established the legal foundation to detain civilians and suppress dissenting speech without impeding judicial review Whoa, isn't that crazy? Scroll down on more how did this end

Necessity protecting the capital motivation and justifications fuck off there's no root justification for censorship I don't actually know how it ended if it ended when the war ended maybe It says historical debate presidential accounting While some research suggests Abraham Lincoln remain ambivalent or uninvolved in local tactical censorship carried out by the overzealous generals, other studies indicate he actively tolerated ongoing suppression even when politically advantageous. Man, I don't know. But again, I'm not a fan of... Slippery slope, I think.

It is the most slippery slope. Yeah. Yeah. Even like, I mean, I understand the motive of we're fighting an enemy literally on our own soil. but with that said. Are we fighting an enemy or are we fighting a conflicting ideology? We're talking about the Civil War, right? Yes, yes, yes. You got to remember those are still Americans.

Yeah, no, I know. Yeah. But I mean, conflicting ideology for sure. Yeah. But it also was the ideology of slavery, which is not amazing. Have you read a lot of people argue that the Civil War, you know, not a lot. Some people will argue that the Civil War had nothing to do with slavery. We were in Mississippi and we went to a museum that had the,

the actual cessation letters from all of the states that aligned with the South, pretty clear. Yeah. Where they stood in why. Yeah. We're talking on the nose as it can be on the nose. So anybody who says that, I don't know what you're reading, but my experience reading those papers, which were, again, the justification for why they were seceding was pretty clear. Yeah. So, yeah.

Yeah, I think it's funny when people say, no, it was 100% about. state's rights. No. It's like, that may be a small part of it. Two things can be true once.

It could have been about state rights as well, but go read those cessation letters and the vast majority was slavery, yeah. Indeed. But anyways, yeah, crazy.

Because I always, I mean, obviously I still like Lincoln. But this is like lessened my liking of him. Have you ever been to D.C. And seen the theater warrior shop? Yes, actually.

Yeah. It's, um, I'm trying to. It was a long time ago. But it was cool. He was shot a long time ago. Yeah. Yes, he was.

I went in eighth grade to, or after eighth grade, yeah. Those field trips are really expensive for your parents, just so you know. Actually, it was my aunt took me for like an eighth grade graduation gift. Still expensive, but. Oh, yeah. Different. Less than if you paid the school field trip experience, which I had. have paid. And yep, my lord. Well, because there is that one that comes around to every eighth grader,

right? And it's like the, yeah, they go to Europe. Oh, okay. The one? Julia went to New York City and then to Europe. Oh, interesting. On one trip. They obviously overnight, two nights in NYC and then to yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The one that came for my school was like a trip to D.C. Yeah. And it was very expensive. Yeah. Yeah. So I didn't do it. Yeah, just go with your aunt. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Way cheaper. Totally. For me, especially because I didn't pay anything. The cheapest. Yeah. Be like me on that cruise with my grandfather having $4 to $600 in Shirley Temples. Hey. How am I to?

You said get whatever you want. Hey, chapter two in extremely limited ownership. Nobody told me that. Yeah. But they were free. It's all inclusive. What else you got? Let's see. How long we've been going? 40 minutes or so? Yeah, we've, yeah, 40. Cool. So I think this just happened.

happened yesterday or today, but the last of the U.S. forces withdrew from Iraq. Joy mixed with fear is U.S. forces quit Iraq leaving potential security vacuum. Man, what was left there? I had no, like, I didn't even realize there were still troops in Iraq. Yeah. Scroll back up. Yep. I'm just curious, is that exhaust from the tank or Jesus, NetNahu?

So that fucking owl-like stare, my God. It's very, very intimidating. We can scroll down now. Iraqis celebrated the departure of U.S. forces after more than, than two decades of war on Wednesday, though many fear that any security vacuum could increase the power of Iran-backed militias or provide an opening for the return of the Islamic State.

Yeah, the withdrawal of the final troops, mainly from the air base in Erbil, which is in the north of Iraq for people unfamiliar, in the semi-autonomous Kurdish region ended the biggest U.S. war of the century, which brought widespread devastation and chaos. I mean, at some point in time, I mean, we still have forces in Korea, Germany, Japan,

unless you want to go that route and stay there forever, or what seems like the plan is to stay there forever. Yeah, you have to find a time where you're up and leave. Yeah, I just thought, well, one, I thought it was, I didn't even realize there were still troops. Small presence, yeah. Yeah. And a lot of that, you don't need a massive presence.

And again, you know, here's an interesting one too. What's our U.S. military presence? What's the U.S. contractor presence, right? Right. We were just talking about this on the episode today. There's Title 50 authorities, which are largely and broadly U.S. intelligence authorities. And then there's Title 10 authorities, which are military authorities. And then there's a lot of stuff that floats in between the two.

And some of it, I think, is intentional. Some of it's accidental. But, you know, people like Eric Prince, who have openly said on the podcast that he wants to essentially privatize warfare, which I vehemently disagree with, by the way. That's, yeah. It's, you know, so if you replace active military with active contractors that are still funded by the U.S. they're operating on the U.S.'s desires with the same end state. Have we really left? It becomes a little bit more, you know what I mean?

It's the definition of the U.S. withdrew from Iraq. Sure, from a Title X perspective. Yeah. And I actually don't know in the contracting world. I don't know where the contractors fit between the Title X, Title 50 conversation. Yeah. So I also think is interesting how much, and maybe there were kind of like different operations,

I guess, but how much of a news coverage that Afghanistan withdrawal got. And then this, I'm barely hearing about this. Well, this, meaning the Iraq withdrawal, I think they had a much more reasonable timeline. Yeah. And they took their time. Also, they were using Iraq with a much smaller presence. I mean, that's where we were striking Syria from in a lot of the neighboring areas. So the boots never left the ground.

There was always, not always, but it's my understanding. understanding that J-Soc at least had a presence to be able to surge to that location, launch from that location, resupply from that location, whatever it may be. Afghanistan, I believe the technical description of that withdrawal was just an absolute shit show. I mean, they pulled the trigger on that. And even though, God, I don't see how anybody could have thought that that plan was the appropriate plan that was going to work on the timeline that it was going to work. But they just like, hold my beer, here we go.

Which in a leadership, whoever was in the seat making that. Nicole, you're not necessarily responsible for all of the plans that took place in the years up to that, but you're responsible for making that decision and not stopping it and not changing course and, you know, doing your job and being a leader and preventing that from happening. So, yeah, the reason you probably, that one sticks with you a little bit more is how galactically fucked up it was. Yeah. So I guess I didn't realize, but from what you're saying, it sounds like Afghanistan happened

all within a very short time. Very, very short period of time. Interesting. Okay. Yeah. So that's why it was so fucked up, basically. Yeah. I wonder in many years, when my kids' kids go to school through the computer chip that is nested inside of their brain, how the history books will treat the U.S. when it comes to Iraq and Afghanistan. Yeah. I mean, I feel like it's already shaping up to be not very favorable light. I think it may be looked back on more. more like Vietnam rather than Korea or World War II.

I just hope that people can parse and service members as well, can parse the difference between those that made decisions, no, without talking with, involving anybody who was actually going to go fight those wars and the people who were on the ground did the best they absolutely could. Oh, yeah, absolutely. And I... It's often lost, though, and conflated.

Yeah, I mean, I agree. But, I mean, I know me and I and a lot of others absolutely know, that there's a distinction between the people that were actually there and the people that made the decisions that put those people there. But I hope, yeah, more people realize that. I hope so too. Okay. I wonder how long the full withdrawal will last. Even before we're back. I could see a world where it happens. Yeah, especially even what's going on right now. What are you talking about? The world's pretty dossow. I don't believe the U.S. is involved in anything that's dragging itself out? No, absolutely not. Very safe. Yeah. Let's see. What else you got?

We got time for one more, I'm sure. Okay. Um, okay. Pilot stabbed his co-pilot and apparent attempt to crash Israel-bound plane. This was like-read that title one more time. Pilot stabbed his co-pilot. So pilot on pilot violence? Yes. Kind of here for this already. This happened like this morning. I'm pretty sure. Okay. Pilot. Oh my God. Passengers feared they were going to die. You know why? Because they were having a knife fight in the fucking cockpit. Also, since winter knives allowed on airplanes. That's kind of crazy.

You know what I mean? Thanks a lot, Bin Laden. Post 9-11. Well, they probably didn't go through the US TSA where we're on that shit. I would guess probably not. They just found a Swiss Army knife in somebody's toothpaste rule. By the way, I saw that. And their excuse was, our kids told us to hide the knife lights.

Anyway, passengers of fear they were going to die as the flight plunged by 14,125 feet in whole. Holy shit, dude. That's a 28,000 foot per minute descent. I'm surprised the aircraft didn't come apart, to be honest with you. That's insane. The intervention of passengers and crew prevented the plane from, hold on, go back up. From crashing Israeli officials says, how? How the fuck did the...

How did the passenger... Yeah, scroll down. A pilot stabbed his co-pilot aboard a plane headed to Israel on Wednesday and may have tried to crash the aircraft to 174 people on board. Passengers lived through scenes of terror as the fly Dubai flight, approaching Tel Avocally and abruptly plummeted. The flight had originated in Dubai.

I thought it was a plane malfunction. No, no, it was not. Let me see you. Another passenger here to a woman shouting. Someone is stabbing someone in the cockpit. How did they know this? Was the door open? That's crazy.

There's no way the door's open, right? Maybe one of the attendants. Flight data indicates the Boeing 737, the Boeing 737 flight, Foxtrot Zulu 1073 plunge by 14,125 feet. And so what you're looking at the instrumentation, when you're looking at climb and descent rate, it's feet per minute. Yeah. That's 28,000 feet per minute. That's so crazy.

Like, I flew the helicopter to Calgary yesterday. It's getting a new pay job. It's getting new windows. I can, in a cold air, I can maintain 1,500 feet per minute climb and I try to keep it under a thousand feet per minute descent just for ease on the system. Can you imagine the fucking dial how many times it would have to spend to be a 28,000? Yeah, that's so crazy. And you'd have to sit there and be watching, be like one, two, three, four,

and then do multiplication. Yeah. This was, I'm sure, digital, but okay. Still, I mean, yeah, that's just. All fly Dubai fights, to and from Israel have been temporarily suspended. Probably not a bad idea. Yeah.

Okay, scroll down. Let's figure out what was going on. Sharp altitude decreased. Yes, that looks vertical. We call that an elevator shaft. Emergingary landing at Saudi Arabia's Prince Sultan bin Abdulaziz, This is international airport. Keep going.

Netanyahu personally think the passengers still wearing a bloody t-shirt who told cameras he was among those to enter the cockpit. What? They had to have had the cockpit door open. Yeah. How did that? I don't know. That never happened. We managed to get it open.

The group struggled to open the cockpit door. We managed to get it open. What made it difficult for us was the pilot himself. He had been stabbed and was on the other side of the door. Wouldn't it be locked, though? Is it locked, usually? I think so Whoa

Also how How did they pull out of that descent? Like how did that Hopefully not very abruptly Because that's how the wings come off Yeah That's wild Go back up to the graph

Eh That's a little bit You know Kind of a shallow little Bottom end there Yeah I don't I can't even fathom

What their airspeed was And who landed the plane Was the pilot like okay enough Obviously He got his shirt shit together. I guess so. He just got a little stabby up front. He got his shit together. He's fine. Put it on the ground. I mean, you can see the pullout. It's a, no pun intended. But it's a, I mean, that's a pretty, I mean, yeah, 15,000 feet they stabilized. I mean, I can't even fathom what their airspeed must have been. That's a nearly vertical descent. Yeah, that's so crazy.

God, I'm surprised they didn't overspeed the aircraft itself. Well, I'm sure they probably oversped it, but It's amazing that it stayed in a whole piece. Yeah. All right. So, yeah, that was like, I think just yesterday or this morning. What can we learn from this? Don't bring a knife onto an airplane. Are they screening the pilots differently?

I feel like where'd they get this knife? I mean, maybe it's different in wherever they took off from Dubai, I think. I don't think so. Yeah, I think security protocols are kind of. Yeah. No stabby, no shooty globally. That's interesting.

Yeah. I don't know what can be learned from this. I don't know either, to be honest. I mean... I'm not a fan of lobby boxing in the cockpit. If you're going to fight, do it before you get into the air. I'm fine with pilots fighting, but don't do it while you're doing your professional job. Well, I think the... I don't know if it's a conspiracy theory. But the theory is the co-pilot wanted to, like, crash the plane because it was full of Israelis.

and like do like a terror attack or whatever maybe leave your politics outside of your profession yeah that would be ideal yeah yeah we're an intricate species michael that's yeah that's yeah all thoughts are good thoughts not all people are good people yep you know like the co-pilot i would like to see the knife was this a plastic like tsa approved i didn't need to see a little plastic i mean there was blood on people so he was obviously breaking skin. He was, yeah, he was going at it. Hmm. All right. You know. I think we're good for today, Michael.

I think so. You're going to enjoy your next six days on being the ween master? Yes, I will. How dope is beans? He's pretty cool. Pretty rambunctious, but he has a puppy. That's what they do. Yeah, very rambunctious. He and Javier are getting better. That's cool. They already seemed when I was there the other day. They already seemed to be getting along with her. Yeah. He'll play around with him and roll.

on his back. He really favors, he'll get flout on his back. He favors the outside arm underhook. It's very controversial. Interesting. And he'll, uh, then he swings his leg. He stays long and launches beans over the top. But he really, I'm going to do a jihitsy breakdown on it, I think, if they keep doing it, just like a Gracie breakdown. Yeah. I did see him knock beans over a couple times. He'll run directly into him. Yeah. And beans like yelps. I was like, Hobby. Yeah. And beans attacks him, but he just, he's trying to go for submission before position. Yes. And so Hobby just shucks his head out and takes his back. I mean, it's, I mean, this is day one stuff. Yeah, this is, it's Bush League to be honest. It's really embarrassing. I'm going to get some good quality footage of it.

I think do a Gracie breakdown of just. It's interesting to see because, again, the outside underhook is not one that is commonly sought. No, I mean, can it even be called an underhook at that point? It is under his armpit, so it's another. Oh, there you go. That's good. And then he just uses his balls, his massive balls to create Kazushi and then just takes him over the top and hucks him.

Nice. Hell yeah. So good for him. That's all I have today. Cool.