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Episode Date: February 20, 2026

Young Michael dove deep on his internet research for this Friday. We spent an hour discussing a variety of topics, and as usual, he did not disappoint: -Black Belts Freaking Out and Punching Purple Be...lts -Do Weapons Fire By Themselves? -The Reality of Steven Seagal Movies -Social Media Comments and Arrests in Europe -Helicopter Crashes into the Snow -The Epstein File debacle And much more...... Enjoy-   Today's Sponsors: Firecracker Farms: https://www.firecracker.farm use code CLEAREDHOT for 10% off your first order. Fabric By Gerber Life: Join the thousands of parents who trust Fabric to help protect their family. Apply today in just minutes at https://www.meetfabric.com/CLEAREDHOT  

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Okay, got the red smoke. Oh, west of the smoke. Okay, Kathy, west of the smoke. I'm looking at danger close now. Come on, wait a minute, baby. Okay, this was your idea. I hope you have some heat for today. Yeah, this was my idea.
Starting point is 00:00:26 We just haven't done one in a while. I think we did have been like two weeks ago. No, it's been longer than that. Seems like two weeks. Okay, sounds good. All right. What do you have for today? First off, how are you still sick?
Starting point is 00:00:44 I have no clue. I think... Do you have health insurance? Do you need to go to a doctor? No, I... Well, my aunt's a doctor. I asked her, I gave her... What type of doctor?
Starting point is 00:00:54 Like, I think she's... Proctology? No, she's like a family medicine or whatever. Okay, that's strong. Yeah. But she was like, there's not really anything you can do. Basically, it sounds like a viral thing, so you just kind of have to wait it out.
Starting point is 00:01:08 So you went to the doctor over the phone? Yes. Nice. That's good. Yeah. Thank you. Yeah. It's incredibly thorough.
Starting point is 00:01:17 Yeah, it really was. And you've been sick for how long? Two weeks. Over two weeks now. Yeah. Let's keep working our way towards honesty. How long? Two weeks and two days.
Starting point is 00:01:30 Sorry. About a month. You've been sick for about a month. No, I haven't. You have sounded horrible for about a month. I don't think so. I'm really going to start this show with you. displaying for the world how much of a liar you are.
Starting point is 00:01:44 Yeah, because you value honesty at this table. I would know better than you. First, I actually think a great argument could be made that you wouldn't. You know who says things like that? My dad. Dog, I got sick. Did you just call me dog? Yes.
Starting point is 00:02:01 I'm sorry, cough it out. Go ahead, healthy boy. This is actually better than it has been the last. Yeah. Let's make an agreement that you're not going to call me dog anymore. Dog, D-A-W-G. Yeah, first of, I've never heard you say that, so I don't know where that's coming from. I say it a lot, actually.
Starting point is 00:02:16 Well, just don't say it in here. Fair. You sound like a child. I am a child. Yeah. 23 is not that old. Okay, anyways. Today's episode is brought to you by Firecracker Farm.
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Starting point is 00:04:21 around, but this particular video is chiu-jitsu. He did like a breakdown on it. Uh, right. Chewy did? Yeah. Yeah. He's awesome. Which you've had him on before. Yeah. Nick Albin. Yeah. He's awesome. I just make sure that's up. Okay. Here we go. What a cunt. I know. And he's back in a triangle anyway. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:05:01 Here's the thing. Cairs. Dude, exactly. Do you know how many times you've tapped on the way to get a black belt? Oh, my. Countless, countless times. God. The only time things get frustrating is when you see people acting as if it's like the world championships.
Starting point is 00:05:23 And they also are starting in positions that they didn't earn. I don't know if you like if you want to have like a role where you start off either standing or seated, whatever your flavor may be. And every position that you that you get to is actually earned. That's awesome. If somebody lets you start on their back, you know what I mean? Yeah. Or let you start. And I'm actually not saying like let's say it's the black belt that let you do that and get submitted.
Starting point is 00:05:50 What's amazing to me is the lack of awareness from somebody who is allowed like they will let you start. and mount. And maybe they're working on a particular escape. And yeah, you tap a black belt, which means absolutely nothing. Yeah. And then that person is like hooting and hollering and they're having, I won't call it a freak out, but they're having this crazy reaction to something that they didn't earn and wasn't real. That's how you end up getting smashed on the bottom. Now, this guy started throwing punches, which is just a total douche move. Like, it's like, dude, nobody likes losing. Yes, there is pressure that comes with having your black belt. But nobody gives two shits.
Starting point is 00:06:31 So that is just pure. Well, and actually, I was going to say that's pure ego. We don't know anything about those two people. They maybe have a history. Yeah, maybe there's a history of them. Those might be brothers for all that we know, right? So let's just say that there's an opportunity for us not to have all the information. And by that, I mean a certainty that we don't have all the information.
Starting point is 00:06:48 But who cares on both sides of those things. Like if you're the lower belt and you submit a black belt, guess what's going to happen if you keep training. One day you're going to become a black belt. And a lower belt is going to submit you. How do you want them to behave as that lower belt? And how do you want the black belt to behave? And let's just model both of those behaviors.
Starting point is 00:07:13 This isn't that hard? I have asked people or people have asked me like, hey, man, you know, we were rolling before and you caught me with this and how did you do that? And I'm like, I don't even remember what you're talking about. My memory of the roles that I have just. generally expires by the time I leave open mat. I do not care about the outcome of a role. People, oh, I'm going to come get you.
Starting point is 00:07:36 Like, dude, please, by all means. Go for it. I'm going to tap out a Navy seal. Haven't been one for over a decade. Yeah. Like all of these things, none of them mean anything. It doesn't feel any differently. I don't have any magic powers.
Starting point is 00:07:47 Do I like losing? No. Nobody likes losing. If I'm closer to 50 than I am 40, am I even going to be competitive with a dude in his mid-20s, early 30s that used to be a wrestler who's a purple belt. Oh, dude. Probably not.
Starting point is 00:08:00 Yeah. It's like, who cares, man? But what I really don't care about are the artificial things that happen on a jiu jitzu mad. Yeah. What's the thing? Like, the going to like, sometimes you get caught. And also, you have to be able to be creative.
Starting point is 00:08:14 Like, you're out there. And with lower belts, I don't know if people realize this. I mean, Leah told me one time, she's like, you know, treat purple purple belts like they are probationary black belts until they show you otherwise. I'm like, oh, that's a really good way of thinking about that. Brown belt, you're kind of polishing and figuring out what your style is and then at a black belt. It's like, okay, cool. And now everybody thinks you know everything.
Starting point is 00:08:34 And you completely 100% don't, at least in my experience. But like at a blue or a white belt, those are the belts that you can be really creative with and you can get away with stuff. And I think if you want your game to continue, you have to be able to be creative and try new stuff out. You need to be able to work on your timing with somebody whose timing isn't as good as yours. You know what I mean? You need to be able to risk where maybe you wouldn't want to. risk with a higher belt because you know if you make a mistake, they're going to capitalize on it and you don't want it to go that way. Right. So there's there's utility and training all up the
Starting point is 00:09:03 belt tree. But like nothing goes. God, like to the point of like trying to hit the guy. Again, maybe they're brothers, right? I'm trying to be charitable here and say that there's a reason behind that because if that's not the case, that's just pure ego. Yeah, it's so which is hilarious to me. Because you know what is supposed to be ego destroying. You know what people talk about. Jiu Jitsu. Yeah. How it destroys your ego. well, if that were the case, then nobody would give a shit truly about the outcome on the mat. Because I have found that it starts by breaking your ego and then it builds it back up again. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:09:33 Yeah. Yeah. Well, then you get to your place. Well, I can't lose to anybody. Right. Yeah. Yeah. You feel like their expectations are way higher on you. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:09:40 And you put them all on yourself. Who gives a shit? Yeah, exactly. This is all supposed to be prepped for the real world anyway. Like, these are your training partners. And another, I think it was Leah said. She's like, this jiu-jitsu is an individual team sport. I was like, what are you talking about?
Starting point is 00:09:55 about. She's like the journey is yours individually, but you need training partners to advance. So without those two things, you know, I guess you could do it a little bit with the training dummy. That would be super weird, very COVID-esque, if you will. But other than that, like, you need your partners. You have to have trust. It has to be okay. It's not real. You don't need to jump up and start hitting somebody. Yeah, dude. What a dick. And also, in trying to hit him, how he liking that deep triangle, bitch. Yeah, he fell right into a triangle, which is. It's so funny. And if they were brothers, I would be completely fine with the bottom guy taking him unconscious.
Starting point is 00:10:32 It's a blood choke. It's not a joint lock or anything like that. If that's your big brother, put him out. Hopefully he will either piss or shit in his gay pants. Preferably both. And then he gets, then he's also going to wake up swinging again. So you may actually not want to be there when that happens. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:10:46 But yeah. Other than that, if they're not like brothers. Yeah. And I put that on the, I put that 100% on the higher belt. You have to be okay with losing. Yeah. But I will say to people who are at lower belts, be aware of things that you have earned and things that you haven't. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:11:01 You know what I mean? Yeah. That's what I was going to say is like, I've caught higher belts before. But in the back of my mind, I'm always like, I'm sure he's working on some new shit that he never does. And I wouldn't. Don't think about it like that. Your jih Tzu is very good. I would say at your level, at most people are going to give you position, but not a submission.
Starting point is 00:11:22 Yeah. Yeah. Like if they're, like you and I have role before, you don't have the best of success passing my guard. No. But there have been plenty of times where I'll just drop my legs down and you can start past. Like that's what I'm saying. You don't think that if you catch, if you ever catch me, it's going to be real. Like, I'm not going to give you the submission, but I'm more than happy to let you start in side control.
Starting point is 00:11:46 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Or neon belly or even like I don't care. Like people will give you the position. They're not going to give you the submission. Yeah. But then I've also been caught by like blue belts before. And I'm like, well, fuck. Like it happens, dude.
Starting point is 00:11:58 Like, and I didn't come up. How did you get caught? How did you get caught by a lower belt? I must be. I must suck. I have to punch him now. Did you consider throwing your belt away? I did.
Starting point is 00:12:07 Yeah. That's good. It's a good first thought. Oh, yeah. It's like my, I didn't pop up and start punching the guy. It's like, dude. Well, it's also it's open mat, bro.
Starting point is 00:12:15 Like you're going to lose some. You're going to win some. It doesn't matter. Now I like now. Now the people next to them, are actually paying attention. Yeah, they're like, before that in the middle of the role,
Starting point is 00:12:24 absolutely nobody on earth gave any care whatsoever. Yeah, nobody would have noticed. No. If he wouldn't have just, if he would have just been like, oh, good one, you know,
Starting point is 00:12:35 which is the move. Yeah. And, you know, here's the thing too. I know, I'm not a coach. So I'm speaking a little bit over my skis here.
Starting point is 00:12:43 Um, but I have coached quite a few things in my life. And I'll say this. It should be your goal as a coach to teach people to be better than you. Yeah. goal as a coach, a great coach can develop athletes and whatever it is that you're doing, public speaking to physical combat sports and air quotes that can beat you. The ones that have the biggest egos will always try to hold their students back.
Starting point is 00:13:05 Yeah. It may suck to lose, but if you can teach somebody starting from nothing to get to a place that is better than where you are currently at in a shorter time than it took you to get there, that's freaking awesome. It's actually pretty impressive. It is pretty impressive. It doesn't help your ego at all. But coaches should be trying to and developing athletes that are better than they are.
Starting point is 00:13:26 That is not a sign that you suck at Jiu-Jitsu. Actually, you say it's a sign that you're very good at Jiu-Jitsu. As coaching, for sure. And also, size, strength, age, all real. It all matters. Yeah. Yeah, as much as people say it doesn't. 100% is a bad.
Starting point is 00:13:41 Take an easy out there at open mats, everybody. I love that the Purple Belt just threw a trying to. Went right back to Jiu. Yeah. Yeah, let's back it up a little bit. God. I mean, come on. Like, so unnecessary.
Starting point is 00:13:57 Yeah. Oh, he's got it locked up. It is have it locked up. Do not let him out. That's hilarious. Still trying to hit. Jesus. He's not letting it go.
Starting point is 00:14:15 I like it. Also, funny, how quick that triangle shut down his enthusiasm for punching. Are these, okay, so that's a black belt. I was going to say, are these white belts ending this now? I think another black belt stepped in there.
Starting point is 00:14:34 Okay. Stop it. You hear him? You were neck cranking me, motherfucker. Tap. Yep. Yep. You don't have to prove how tough you are.
Starting point is 00:14:43 A black belt doesn't protect you from an upper neck injury. Yeah. If somebody, and this happens with people with, not to make this whole episode like a jiu jih Tiat tribe, people who don't know as much are going to do wild things that you don't expect. Yeah. Not because they're trying to hurt you because they don't know better. But once they know better, they can do better. So if you are, oh my God.
Starting point is 00:15:05 So I do a lot of the first roles in Leah's class when the larger guys come in. And she'll literally just say, if you don't know what's going on and you are in pain or heading towards discomfort, just tap and reset. We can talk about what happened. I'm not trying to hurt anybody.
Starting point is 00:15:22 But if I get a hold to something and somebody explodes in the wrong direction, most of the time I can let go in enough time. But like an Omaplata would be, a good example. If you're deep in that and they go the wrong, like, it takes, when people tap to an Omaplata, I actually, I'm like, hold still and I unwind really slowly because you're all tangled up. Yeah. And for people who don't know what that is, it's a, it's a very, very powerful shoulder lock. And I don't want to hurt them. If somebody were to explode in that position, there is a
Starting point is 00:15:48 chance that they could take it to an injury before I could let go, just given the way that the bodies are entangled. But Leah's brief is literally like at any time, if you're in pain and don't understand from what, just tap. Yeah. Like, we'll talk. about it. Guess what? Black belts, that applies to you too. If you're rolling with somebody who doesn't know what they're doing and they do some crazy shit and grab a hold of the milker grip, if you will, your index finger and your pinky finger, which isn't real, but I love doing it to people and I tell them I'm doing the milker grip. But if somebody does that and starts bending your finger backwards, what are you going to do? Let your finger break? Yeah. It's like,
Starting point is 00:16:22 scream at the person or just say tap. Be like, bro. Yeah. Don't do single digit manipulation. We don't do that. And they'll say, oh, dude, I didn't know. I didn't know. Exactly. And if they know better, they can do better. Yeah. So, yeah, I've had that actually exact scenario. The Milker? Well, I've caught you with the milker.
Starting point is 00:16:39 But no, from white belts who are grabbing fingers. Totally. And I'll wait till the end of the roll. And I'll say, hey, man, just so you know. So don't do that. Why would you wait till the end of the role? Because they're not submitting me or anything. I just pull my hand out.
Starting point is 00:16:51 True. But like, that's a good teaching moment right there. And again, I'm not a coach. So anybody who out there is a coach, I would say address as it comes up. Yeah. They're at a phase in their journey where it is all. learning, right? So I wouldn't even let them get away with that for a second. Not that they're trying to get away with anything. Yeah. I would let them know in the moment. And it can be,
Starting point is 00:17:08 and I stop and like, hey man, just so you know, make sure you get more than one finger. And honestly, you need to have at least four. Yeah, you need to have the four. Yeah. And they always say, oh, okay, but just do it in the moment. Exactly. Yeah. Do it in the moment. Don't wait until the end. Because sometimes you might forget. Because honestly, half the times by the end of the role, I have already forgotten about what happens at the beginning. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like you said, I forget pretty much what happened in the whole roll 10 seconds after the roll. Yeah, because you're just, I mean, because you're not even thinking about it. You and I have rolled thousands of times. I could not tell you the outcome of a single one. Like, actually, I know I did the Assasipus to you a bunch of times for like a week,
Starting point is 00:17:38 which is not the real name of it and I just really like doing it. Honestly, I think it's called the Ninja Choke, but Assasapus is better. I think it's called the Kanto choke. Oh, maybe maybe so. There's so many names for these. Yeah. And one of them is the Assasipus. Yeah, it is not real. And you knew I was going to do it. and I was laughing so hard anyway that it's like, and even then I'm like, I don't know how we got there, nor do I care because we know it's just total bullshit. Oh, yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:18:02 No, wait, which one you're talking about? The one where you grabbed the collar and you throw the leg over. Yeah, yeah. That's not bullshit. I've done that before. It's kind of bullshit once you know it's coming. It's a very easy way to defend it. But yeah, it's other than remembering that that happened,
Starting point is 00:18:15 it's like, dude, I could care less how our roles go. Yeah, no, me, yeah, me too. It's just like, it doesn't matter. It's open that. We're just having fun. And that's it. Don't be this guy. Like, that's, that's on the black belt.
Starting point is 00:18:26 Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Let me try and find another fun one. What did Chewy say about that video? I have to assume he said the same thing. I actually didn't watch the full video of Chewy. Unbelievable.
Starting point is 00:18:39 Just stealing his content without even listening to his commentary. Well, to be fair, I found this video before I found Chewy's reaction to it. I don't know Nick incredibly well, but he's a very high level black belt and he's got his head on his shoulders. I think he'd probably say similar. I would imagine. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:18:55 Yeah. Yeah. Um, this, uh, maybe you've seen this. Maybe you haven't, but, um, it, this is a pretty insane. So as you can tell from the title, I'm in command of dish. Oh, I have seen this. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:19:14 I already filmed it. I saw it. Go and stay. Do that, that, that's really hard to tell based on the video. Did he actually, you know what I mean? It almost looked like a Steven Segal recoil where he pulled the rifle back. Yeah. I'm assuming what you're, I think I saw a couple of these.
Starting point is 00:19:37 videos. It gets stuck on safe. It seems like the bolt is forward with the charging level levered down. It's why it wouldn't go on safe. I don't know. It would imagine to me there's something going on there with the firing pin either moving forward or it's unseated. Back it up a little bit. Did he pull on it or tug on it to get it to go off? It just seems like there's a little bit of latency. I think he slapped it to get it to go off. Yeah, just play it again. All right. So it's stuck on fire. Bolt is forward. Oh, maybe pulled on it a little bit. Yeah. Yeah. He pulled on the charging lever. Keep going on. See what happens.
Starting point is 00:20:13 Eject the brass, dude. So are you skeptical of this video? I'm not skeptical, but I would like to see him eject a spent casing. Yeah. Because honestly, I don't know if you've seen the most recent Steven Seagall sniper movie. You know what I haven't, actually. So go on YouTube, because this is worth pointing out. This is not what real recoil looks like.
Starting point is 00:20:34 Go, uh, Stephen Seagal Desert sniper shooting scene. And it's truly amazing. Code of honor. Maybe. Okay. I'm not going to say I'm incredibly up to speed on that on your Stephen Thoreaucious pieces of shit. Yeah. When his current directed DVD movies.
Starting point is 00:20:56 Yeah, they really are directed DVD. Yeah. Let's see. This is a montage. I'm not going to do that. No, montages are good. Okay. That's what I want to see the shooting.
Starting point is 00:21:03 Just so you can see how wildly inaccurate it is. First off, can I see it too? Yes. Not even being kind. Yeah. Skip to the shooting. Donde is la Biblioteca. Oh, the cocaine powder all over his face.
Starting point is 00:21:39 Oh, that's embarrassing. It didn't show a Stephen shooting, though. It will, though. Oh, there's no recoil at all. None. Wow, that's interesting. On any of the guns. Wow.
Starting point is 00:21:56 These must be special guns. Oh, yeah, just shoot the water tower because that's... All right, I've seen enough. You notice how he brings the weapon all the way back to bring the charging handle back? Yeah, that seems... You can actually just totally stay on the rifle with the magnification out a little bit and stay right on target. So when you get the next round in, you're ready to shoot. Isn't that kind of the point of a bolt action is so you don't have to adjust everything?
Starting point is 00:22:22 There's a lot of points to bolt actions, right? They're traditionally going to be with a tighter tolerance and it can be a lot more accurate that way. But I'm just saying if you have the ability to look through your optics and stay on target and select your next target, just go ahead and get that spent casing out. Fake recoil, no recoil whatsoever. His other one is a daytime. And he's just, you can see him. He's like just doing it himself.
Starting point is 00:22:45 That's so funny. So that video is a tough one to tell. I have, guns are just, I mean, they're machine parts that are put together. And sometimes the Sears will, which is a mechanical, again, I'm not a gun engineer. But the Sear is a portion of the trigger mechanism that's going to prevent the firing pin from coming forward
Starting point is 00:23:08 or in a semi to fully automatic setting, it will prevent the bolt from either cycling one time or multiple times. Mechanical parts fail. And not all guns are manufactured, probably to the tolerance that people would want them to be. It should never happen like that, but the gun not being able to go unsafe
Starting point is 00:23:26 as an indication that something in there is definitely a miss. Smacking down on the charging handle, my suspicion would be whatever tension that put on allowed the firing pin to go forward, which fired the case. I would have liked to see the casing come out, but we'll just assume that it did come out. Yeah, it's a problem. It's not great. Don't some guns, if you don't have a round chambered and it's not, I don't what I'm trying to say, but it won't go on safe. Okay, so hold on. A round is not chambered. Yes, and you haven't charged it. It won't go on safe.
Starting point is 00:24:01 So the bolt is to the rear, it won't go on safe. I am not, I mean, as far as a U.S. weapon? Yeah. Or is there always the option to put anything on safe no matter what? I mean, as far as like a carbine platform, you can manipulate the safety, whether the bolt is to the rear or forward. Pistols are a little bit weird because if you lock the slide to the rear, you may not actually be able to move the safety because it's not. it might actually be just a physical piece of metal that you're putting up. So that may not be able to work.
Starting point is 00:24:36 I am not aware of that. I don't know what I'm thinking of then. I don't know what you are thinking of either, which checks out for you. No, that's, yeah, that's very common for me. Yeah. Speaking of guns and this is a really sad story, actually. Awesome. Thank you.
Starting point is 00:24:55 Yeah, you're welcome. Have you heard of the Texas father who was arguing with his daughter about Trump? and shot her. No. So the thing, basically the whole thing is they were arguing about Trump. Okay. He went to show her his new gun in his room. And according to him, as I left of the gun to show her, I suddenly heard a loud bang.
Starting point is 00:25:20 I had not understand what had happened. Lucy immediately fell. What kind of gun? I believe it was a pistol. Glock 9mm. And so how was she? not old like I think early 20s okay she was live she doesn't live with her parents so I'm saying I'm thinking early 20s shot in the chest with a Glock 19 didn't know what happened um I can tell you what happened yeah you fired
Starting point is 00:25:54 around and hit your daughter now did you mean to do that that that can be left up to a court to adjudicate but very few firearms, if any, almost statistically anomalous, are just going to go off. Also, one of the main firearm principles, treat all weapons as if they are loaded. Do not point at something that you do not intend to destroy or kill, depending on the vernacular that you feel comfortable with. why was the working end of the weapon at any time pointed at your daughter? Also, why would a political argument of any kind terminate in you wanting to show your daughter a weapon? Like, what's going on here? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:26:48 Did it say that he was intoxicated or they just smelled alcohol? From when I remember, he had been sober, but he relapsed. I might be thinking of a different story, though. Oh, yeah, he had had issues with alcohol in the past and said he briefly relapsed on the day of his daughter's death. Yes, because he was emotional about her leaving. Okay. So, again, we can, I'm sure they did a blood draw. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:27:24 Oh, CCTV footage shows he had bought two 500-millimeter cartons of Chardonnay from a 7-Eleven, which I don't know if you know this. 7-Eleven Chardonnay. No, it's not 7-Eleven Chardonnay, but you should know that 7-Eleven is basically one of the finest purveyors of wine on planet earth. Well, of course, yes. They have cellar system. Incredibly good stuff. This comes in a cardboard box, which really, it's much like the oak that wine often aged. Yeah, the cardboard is made from the oak that the, it was a barrel.
Starting point is 00:27:53 Recycled shavings, is my understanding. Yes. Yeah, those are going to be about $4.99. You know what's dangerous about the cartons of chardonnay? You can't tell how much you're drinking. Yeah. I mean, obviously, you could fill up a cup, but as with a glass bottle of wine, you could have a little bit of judgment of yourself. you could say, oh, I am actually kind of a POS right now.
Starting point is 00:28:15 It's noon and I'm one and a quarter way through these two bottles of Chardonnay, not cartons of Chardonnay. Now, all this is horrible. He said he bought the gun a couple years ago before because he wanted a sense of security for his family. As I lifted the gun to show her, I suddenly heard a loud bang. I did not understand what had happened. Lucy immediately fell. Yeah, you sought your daughter in the chest.
Starting point is 00:28:37 Yeah. Glock's are really straightforward platforms. they have a very, very robust history of being in civilian hands and military hands and law enforcement hands. And I am not aware with Glock having a historical issue. Did you say it was Glock 19? Yes, I believe so. Which is probably one of their more popular models of Glock. I think they're up to like Gen 5 or Gen 6 of that particular model at this point.
Starting point is 00:29:04 That particular brand of pistol doesn't go off by itself. Is it possible that it certainly that it did? Of course, I'll leave a fractional of a percentage of that. But this is why basic firearm principles exist. Because let's say it were to go off by itself. If you are following the golden rules of firearm handling. Yes. It's still going to go off in your house, which is going to be an emotional event for sure.
Starting point is 00:29:29 But it should not take anybody's life, which is what firearms are designed to do. Yeah. Yeah. Like you were saying, that was one of my first thoughts. I saw this is so let's just give him the absolute benefit of doubt the gun did accidentally go off he had no intention of doing it if he had been falling just two of the four rules nothing would have happened the worst that would happen is you got a hole in your wall hopefully floor yeah right um but he's he broke what beware or uh uh don't point in
Starting point is 00:30:04 anything you don't want to kill hold the constitution while you talk about firearm safety michael Oh, oh, you mean this? Yeah. Talk to me about your safety protocol for the Constitution, which you keep over are, is there people above us? No, not currently. Good. Yeah. If there were people up there working on the roof, how would you change?
Starting point is 00:30:25 I would go here. Nice. And it's just not nearly as menacing. No, not near. Yeah, see, this looks stupid. I have to hold it this way. But normally it's actually pointed actually to the door coming in. So that's kind of an issue.
Starting point is 00:30:40 Kind of an issue or is it an issue? I mean, it's an issue. Let's be honest, it's not an issue because that's not a real gun for anybody wondering. If this wasn't a replica, it would be an issue. And even then. But you know what the thing is, even with Aerosoft and honestly with Nerf, I used to give them my kids shit and be like, do not sweep your brothers. Yes.
Starting point is 00:30:58 Do not point that at me. You know what I mean? It, you know, Airsoft, like, it actually, even in a play setting, it is a perfect opportunity to constantly reinforce. proper firearms handling procedures. Yep. My dad would do the same. I remember when I was, we were kids, I had accidentally shot my brother in the eye with a
Starting point is 00:31:17 nirp gun. And it's been known to happen. I had shot it. Let's talk about the usage of the word accidentally there. Yeah, well, this is where I'm getting with this story. Which brother? I think it was John. So my...
Starting point is 00:31:31 Is that toothless? No, one above between me and toothless. The wedding. The one you didn't pay attention to his best man. duties. Yes. Okay. Good. Yes. I had accidentally shot him in the eye with a Nerf gun. And my excuse was when I pulled the trigger, John walked in front. Strong. Yeah. He timed it perfectly, dad. Yes. And I tried to explain that to my dad. Yeah, how'd that go? He said, it doesn't matter. You have the gun. You should always know where you're pointing it. You should always know that it's loaded.
Starting point is 00:32:02 And you know, he ran through the rules. And I was like, no, dad, you don't understand. No, but I do. And he was like, no, this isn't like there's no excuse for this. Yeah. And so, yeah, ever since then, I was like, oh, okay, yeah, I should probably. I mean, even before then, we'd always grown up around guns and he taught us all the rules and stuff. But yeah, I just, I just don't understand how this could happen. The alcohol probably played a significant portion in that. Why, though, you would introduce a fire, like, you know what I mean?
Starting point is 00:32:33 Like, it doesn't make any sense. And having an unsecured firearm in the house, people. People will say, like, you know, I need to have access to it at all times. I'm like, okay, what do you do when you're taking a shower? Do you have a shower holster that you use? Do you suction cup it to the wall? I mean, like, there are just times in your life where you're going to accept a little bit more risk, even though the chance of somebody breaking into your house is so astronomically low.
Starting point is 00:32:54 And I'm not saying you shouldn't be able to defend yourself or be prepared to do so, but positive control or it's put away into a safe. You know what I mean? Leaving a gun out because it makes you feel safer. Yeah. I don't think this guy feels any safer. Yeah Also don't drink and handle firearms
Starting point is 00:33:09 Yeah that's a horrible combination Yeah Yeah I Bad idea Indeed Yeah it's a horrible story So actually This next story
Starting point is 00:33:21 I saw this randomly Just now When I was Searching up more stuff to pull up So There's this player for the Ireland rugby team
Starting point is 00:33:34 Okay He just had his first game on Saturday. And after that, he was getting lots of racist comments online, which is horrible. However, the Irish team is gathering a bunch of them and going to send it to the authorities to prosecute people for racist comments online. Yeah. Do they fall into the European? in? EU, yes.
Starting point is 00:34:05 What's going on with them as far as internet people being arrested? I have heard that Ireland is one of the countries that is investigating and possibly even prosecuting people for... You have heard? Yes, but I'm going to look it up right now. So I did a little bit of research into this because I keep here and Joe talking about 12,000 people got arrested last year for social media posts, which it turns out is correct, which is about 36 people per day. Yeah. But the conviction rate is microscopic. Okay.
Starting point is 00:34:33 So, and again, I don't know, I don't know what that does to somebody if they're arrested for that, but they're not convicted. I don't know if that goes away. But it basically is saying it doesn't rise to the standard, which they do have a standard in Europe. And apparently it's pretty high. It's around threats, harassment and intimidation. And again, I'm paraphrasing slightly an article that I read a couple days ago, not claiming to be an expert on this. Good luck with that, you know, trying to police speech. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:35:02 even horrible speech. Like it's like, what are we doing? It's 2026. You want to make racist? The guy's black for those of you who are. Yeah. Audio only. It's like, just be better.
Starting point is 00:35:13 Like is that, I worry, like, what is somebody who's going to take the time to make that type of comment? God, what does their life look like? Yeah, what are they doing? They're sucking at life. Yeah. Is what they're doing. They really are.
Starting point is 00:35:23 And it's not an excuse for their behavior because honestly, if that's who you are, like, be better than that. Strive to be better than the basement dweller who's making a comment like that. Knowing that it's hurtful and, hateful with probably your only intent is sharing some of the hurt and hate that you feel in your life. Like, be better. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:35:39 Which nobody is going to do that. I mean, that's what I would wish for the world. But it's not, it's a pipe dream probably at this point in time. But if you had, if you gave me the choice of, okay, we're going to either regulate that speech or we're going to let it be free. I'm falling on to let it be free every single time. Yeah, me too. Because who gets to decide what's hateful, hurtful, uh, harassment.
Starting point is 00:36:00 And I'm sure that there are legal definitions and people with. smarter than me that can write those things and I would leave it to that. But man, it's, I see parallels not to speech like this, but just I'll go back to the example we were talking about with the plaques in the White House. Yeah. That are really interesting descriptions that I think are deviating from objective reality and the truth and very colorful language. It's setting a precedent. And then at some point in time, somebody on the other side of the aisle is going to come in there. And then they are going to set another precedent. It's going to go back and forth and back and forth. So what happens as things change and who gets to decide what is legal speech,
Starting point is 00:36:38 who in compelled speech or illegal? You know what I mean? It gets real, it gets real iffy. I would rather have people with hurt feelings than regulated speech. Yeah. Yeah. And, you know, I think like you're saying, don't say that shit online.
Starting point is 00:37:04 Like, that's just stupid. Don't do that. Don't say it in general. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, just be a good person. But it's a good bumper sticker, Michael. Yeah, be a good person. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:37:14 But you should not be arrested for something you say online, especially if it's not a threat. If it's a threat, that's a little bit different. If you say, hey, I'm going to come to your house at this date and time and I'm going to kill you. And then they were able to investigate and figure out you were trying to rally other people to do so. That is a different story. That's kind of an issue. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:37:30 But if you say, oh, I hate black people online, it's like, dude. Don't say that, but it's not a threat. That's just you have the freedom to be an idiot and you're being a total idiot. I agree. Okay. Be better. Be better. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:37:48 Okay. We're really just crushing these topics today. We really are. Yeah. This came out like a couple months ago, but the SEAL team mission in North Korea. Didn't we already talk about this? I don't think me and you. Did you?
Starting point is 00:38:03 I don't know. I don't know either. But they shot a fisherman or something like that. Killed a fisherman? I think they shot a few civilians. Trying to install a listening device. Yeah. And so I have absolutely no connection or insight into real world operations at all.
Starting point is 00:38:20 Oh, they were at Red Squadron. Okay. So it's a development group. David Phillips. Okay. So I cannot speak with any level of authority as to whether or not this mission. slash not even really a raid. Looks like they were trying to emplace a sensor.
Starting point is 00:38:42 Which seems a little bit odd to use that particular command because I'll just say that there are people who specialize in this type of thing. But whatever, if that did happen, it sounds like scroll down a little bit. They went from a sub to maybe an SDV and then keep going, keep coming, keep going. I want to see what ended up happening here.
Starting point is 00:39:00 Small boat 14 feet long, yep, keep going. The estimates have been two and three. Okay, so yeah, they had an encounter with what seems to be fishermen, two or three fishermen. Military operations are inherently dangerous. I mean, I've never been to North Korea. Don't ever want to go to North Korea. I've never tried to do a submersible operation in North Korea to implant a sensor.
Starting point is 00:39:20 I can understand why we would potentially want to have a sensor there. I am certain in the planning process there was a brief talking about potential actions on if they were to encounter somebody like this. And depending on the outcome of the action is taken, things that would happen there, whether the mission, would continue or they would call an audible and be extracted, which I think is what they ended up doing because they were exposed, essentially. Not all military operations go as planned in briefs, man. Sometimes it's a, sometimes it's, you got to put them in the L column instead of the W column. And it's an unfortunate intersection of what sounds to be like those fishermen with the people there who probably didn't have any ability in the limited amount of time they had to make
Starting point is 00:40:07 that decision to determine whether or not they were a fisherman or not. It's going to be all based off of threat, you know, hostile act, hostile intent and your inherent right to self-defense, even though you're inside of the boundaries of a southern nation. And that's how it goes, man. It's dangerous job. Yeah. Also, have you ever, like how often in overseas would you actually use your pistol in a real world scenario. Where did you get this question from? I just thought about it. I was like, because I don't know.
Starting point is 00:40:39 What do you want the answer to be? Daily? I feel like you want the answer to be something. No, no. I'm genuinely just curious. Zero? Never. Really?
Starting point is 00:40:48 Yeah. I don't think you were in the room yet when I had the interview with Earl Plumley. He's an example of an army guy who ended up using his pistol. And I think throwing grenades back at fighters that they hit the front at him. there was a man named Mike Day who got shot. I believe it was 27 times. And when he came to, he didn't have access to his primary. So he shot some people with his pistol.
Starting point is 00:41:11 Other than those, Mike Day is the only person that I am aware of inside of the seal community. Earl was a green beret. I think he's out now. Was a green. His story was amazing, though. So I have an episode with him. It's worth a listen.
Starting point is 00:41:26 Yeah. You're like, I'm sorry. You did what? You ran where? You were playing paddy cakes with grenades. Aids, get some. Maybe the Green Berets community or other special operations communities have examples of that. The only one I know of is Mike Day.
Starting point is 00:41:42 And so that's one out of tens of thousands of operations. Not all of which I am aware of, by the way, but I'm just saying that story is pretty well known throughout the community. So it's kind of like a last resort thing. Well, it is your secondary weapon system. Yeah. Right. So you practice all the time with it, you know, primary to secondary drills, you know,
Starting point is 00:42:00 the Mr. Bill drill where it's like rifle shot, sling, pistol shot, holster, bring it back up, primary, rifle shot, pistol, rifle, a ton of practice for a baseball game you never get to play. Right, yeah. And probably don't want to. I mean, I'm an okay pistol shot. Yeah. 50 to, I mean, I don't think I would shoot at, well, maybe to get their head down, I would shoot somebody at 100 yards with a pistol, but I'm not going to accurately hit anybody there. Yeah, yeah. So, yeah. Okay.
Starting point is 00:42:30 Sometimes it's just better to run away. Yeah. You know? Yeah, I was just genuinely curious on that one. I know. You have general levels of curiosity about many things. Yes. That is actually very true.
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Starting point is 00:44:17 You know what I'm talking about? It's behind the dump. There's an indoor range there? Mm-hmm. Yeah, it's underground. What? What? What?
Starting point is 00:44:25 pistol, yeah. By the dump. I know there's an outdoor range facility that I go to with Austin there. The one that has the trap house. I don't know what that means. The skeet shooting house. Maybe. I don't go shoot skeet,
Starting point is 00:44:36 so I'm not aware of that. Yeah. No, they have a... An underground rifle range? Yeah, it only goes out to 100 yards. That's an impressive underground range. Yeah. It's pretty nice.
Starting point is 00:44:47 Okay. It's... I'm blinking on the name right now. What do you do with your pistol when you're not using it? Store it. Where? And a little, I have this like lock this big. It's not like Pelican, but it's similar to a Pelican case that it locks.
Starting point is 00:45:03 How many locks? Two. TSA locks? I don't know. It's on the case itself. Okay. The keys are with me at all times. Okay.
Starting point is 00:45:15 If you were to lose the key, what's your course of action? Break into the safe or the, to the, uh, don't we have? Stopbox sponsors. sponsored the show. All you have is the pistol? No, I have a couple. I have two rifles and like three pistols, I think. What do you do through rifles? They're in the, they're also in the, it's a pretty big box. So you're just a walking armory. Basically. Yeah. How do you prevent somebody from just walking off with your armory? Well, it's currently not my house. It's not my parents' house, which is an actual. No, I know where it's at. Good job. Didn't ask you the fucking street address of
Starting point is 00:45:54 where your armory currently is located. Nobody knows where that is. Yeah, they'll find out. Yeah. I guess, I mean, there really is no, but I, it's not that I can't afford a safe, but I don't want to spend the money on a safe. All right. Life is about the choices we make.
Starting point is 00:46:11 Yes. Cool. Michael, walking armory, Shelton in the house. You're dying. Your aunt was incorrect. You have the junta virus, which I believe you got. from mice fecal matter probably dusty mice fecal matter in Montana yeah that's probably what happened I was working with mice recently so were you scientific experiments yeah okay top secret what else you got
Starting point is 00:46:42 for today um let's see oh a helicopter crash in wasatch county this was like four weeks ago let's take a look yes I have the video here that's that's a unfavorable screen grab. Oh. Oh, yeah. Have you seen this one? Two helicopters swore around the Wolf Creek camera. Eventually, they moved back a bit and saw this.
Starting point is 00:47:15 One of the helicopters spinning out and crashing. Yeah, that's a good. Horrible cameraman. I'm okay with it. You know, not everything has to... There's the aftermath. Blasher says they all walked away from the crap. Which is crazy.
Starting point is 00:47:36 Yeah. The spinning like that is going to be an indication of loss of tail rotor effectiveness. I... How can I speak about this broadly? I don't want to get anybody in trouble. There are things you can put on the back of the skids called bare paws. I have them on the heli.
Starting point is 00:47:59 They're plastic. Let's like hold up a little. Not that they are this size, but they could be something like this. If the skid goes down the middle, it diffuses the, it increases the surface area. Surface area, right?
Starting point is 00:48:13 And if you land on snow, imagine the difference in, let's say, again, the thinness of the foam, which is not how thin a roder, or a skid is. heavy pieces of equipment because this person landed by the way you land in the snow
Starting point is 00:48:28 and especially snow that has not been compacted right and you have a lot of weight going into a very small surface area the skids can sink down into the snow not that bare paws are going to make it impossible to do so but they provide a larger footprint and platform I'm not an expert at identifying bell helicopters I know that is a bell helicopter and I get a little bit lost if it's like a 406 a 206 a 207
Starting point is 00:48:51 whatever it is the tail rotor on that particular helicopter does not sit incredibly high up in the air. A lot of the weight can be rearward sometimes. So you can imagine if they were to sit down and have a little bit of a tail low attitude. It is my understanding that very likely what happened is after they landed as they were taking off, if the nose came up first, you could have had a small portion of the tail rotor strike with snow. Oh, gotcha. And they are moving at an incredible rate of speed.
Starting point is 00:49:25 And there is, you know, gearbox mechanisms for the tail, all of that can get out of sync. And the only thing stopping a helicopter from rotating like that is the counter force that is coming from the tail rotor. So it's likely that the rotor, the tail rotor struck and disabled it somehow. It seems to be from what I have heard from people who are aware of what very likely happened. I'm sure there'll be an NTSP report. So I'm not trying to jump ahead of that by. any stretch, but it seems like what likely happened is there was contact with the tail rotor, likely with the snow, which you might think, oh, it's just snow. How much damage could that do?
Starting point is 00:50:02 Well, if it's compacted snow, it could do quite a bit. And again, those tail rotors are spinning. It's not like it's steel. A lot of them are just composite, you know, and it doesn't take a whole lot. You're going to be out of balance. Those things are, if you look at the tail rotor or even the main rotor blade, they're tracked and balanced. So to make them, you know, harmoniously be able to spin without rattling the thing across. I mean, I've never been in a situation like that. LTE, loss of tail rotor effectiveness. Really, your only option is to slow the spin, you reduce power.
Starting point is 00:50:36 Because the more you pull power, the more that's the counter you're going to spin in the other direction, the centrifugal force, because you have no counterbalance. So if you rip on the power, you're going to spin faster and go up. If you reduce the power, you probably spin slower, but you're going to go down. and they went down over trees. Yeah. So I think they are incredibly lucky that they survived. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:50:58 That's gnarly. He got out of that. He says one woman seemed like she might have been in shock and was gas. Yeah. You think so? Yeah. Wow. Seems to be mostly okay and one person had a gash on his head.
Starting point is 00:51:12 He was presumably the one Wasatch County Sheriff says was transported to the hospital for a head injury. You think? Yeah. Geez. Yeah. started running towards the wreck, but Blaser stopped him because he was afraid what his son might have found at the crash site. That's fair. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:51:28 Go back to see if you can see the footage of it again. Yeah. Precampbra. Eventually, they moved back a bit and saw this. Yeah, that's a tail rotor issue. Yeah. Yeah. That sucks.
Starting point is 00:51:48 I'm not, fly helicopters. I'm not claiming to be an expert by any stretch. I'm not aware of many ways you can get into that type. rotation without it being a tail rotor issue. Yeah. You want to see a gnarly one? Yes. Go to basically air wolf, airwolf helicopter at Newport Beach.
Starting point is 00:52:03 And you'll see another example of what happens when the tail rotor stops working. And this one, you can visibly see a piece of the tail rotor linkage essentially eject from its current duty station. You haven't seen this one? I don't think so. Wait, what beach did you say it was? I think Newport Beach. It was in California.
Starting point is 00:52:21 Port Beach. Okay. Airwolf helicopter may not. be, this is also a bell helicopter, which, or no, is it a bell? I don't know. Bell 222. Sure. We call it a triple two. It's not a big deal. Oh, sorry. Excuse me. I don't know if that's the case. I just made that up in the moment. Oh, here we go. Yeah. Pull that bad boy up. I think this is it. Maybe we can just keep people from ever getting into a helicopter again after today. Yeah, here we go. Okay. Well, let me, uh, yeah, I don't know if you need audio. Just hit play. actually there you go
Starting point is 00:52:54 so tail rotor oh man and what are your choices right he's got to put it down wow and that is what happens and how quickly it can happen and on this one they found it
Starting point is 00:53:10 like a piece of the linkage of the tail rotor I believe they found it on the sidewalk or a street um can is there are we able to see the exact moment like where something falls off yeah hit play again
Starting point is 00:53:22 no because you know how it even looks like it's going slowly, but it's not. That's just the pain it tailover. Oh, you do, actually you could see it. Yeah, you could see it fly off. You see it fly off? And at that point, man, you have no directional control. Oh, that's scary.
Starting point is 00:53:40 Because if you think about it, you have an engine that is spinning. And I don't know if this one is a clockwise or counterclockwise, but you're just spinning up there. So fast. Without that counter pressure and force, you're just, it's going to go in the other direction. So his only option is to dump your collective and put it on the ground. Yeah. And I think in that situation, he might.
Starting point is 00:53:59 have actually been as horrible as this is to say, he might have had a better crash landing, which are not words that are actually probably put together often because he hit the trees and slowed his descent as opposed to just panicking the thing. So, but he did like technically the right thing in that scenario. He did basically the only thing he can do, which is reduce power and get it on the ground. Yeah. That's crazy. Indeed.
Starting point is 00:54:23 Do they know what caused that? I believe, again, I'm not part of the NTSB, nor do I speak for the NTSB. I believe one of the linkage points that goes to the tail rotor that was part of the gearbox and drive that spins the tail rotor itself separated. And then you can basically see the tail rotor itself depart the aircraft in flight at one point. And that doesn't happen unless there's a cascading failure somewhere else. Yeah. Okay. Do you have anything positive for today?
Starting point is 00:54:57 What else do you have? Not. That's fine. Sometimes Fridays are just supposed to be a downer. Yeah. The, have you heard of the Whiz dating app for kids? No.
Starting point is 00:55:11 What? Are we talking kids, kids? 13 year old. Yeah, teenagers basically. Oh, no. Whiz often referred to as Tinder for Teens is a social discovery app designed for teenagers and young adults, officially ages 13 plus.
Starting point is 00:55:27 To meet new people. via a swipe-based interface. Oh, my God, what are we loading up our children to think of... You sound horrible. Are we good? I am now. Did you just swallow that? I had to.
Starting point is 00:55:55 I've heard you say that before, but... I mean, what are we conditioning people? God, it is such an early age. It's just like... marketed as a tool for making friends. Go make friends in the real world. And of course, you live in a place, like you live on an island by yourself. Maybe this would help you interface with the rest of the world.
Starting point is 00:56:16 But how many people actually live in that situation? I mean, come on. And it's like how could the, how stupid are the designers to be like, no, this will not be taken over by predators? Why do you assume that they are stupid and don't completely know of that. can just discount it to make money. That's true, actually. Yeah, there's, I'm sorry, man.
Starting point is 00:56:39 Every adult dating app, even my dad's been catfished. Let's leave it at that. Yeah. Anybody who is on those apps, I have horror, you have horror stories of online dating. So any adult understands that the apps are imperfect. They can be manipulated. Things can be presented that they aren't.
Starting point is 00:57:02 anybody, I'm going to assume it wasn't a 13 year old that made this app or had this idea. So if adult is making that, they understand what the current ecosystem is for adults. And they're basically recreating that for kids. There is no plausible world where they're like, you know, because it's kids, it's going to be better. No. I just don't think, I think it's some dollar figure. People just don't care. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:57:26 Yeah. Which is beyond, I don't know. I mean, somebody wants to offer me a. billion dollars for me to question my morals. I am willing to accept this scientific research test. However, I get to keep the billion dollars. Yeah. It will depend on what you ask me to do.
Starting point is 00:57:42 But I hate to tell you, I don't think I would change my answer based off the money. It's like, I just want enough money to be able to say no to things and do what I want to with my time. Yeah, no, that's a very good. Yeah. It's a good mantra. Yeah, I mean, I guess it's not surprising giving everything that's coming out with all these billionaires.
Starting point is 00:58:01 But. What is coming out? with all these billionaires. Oh, just the Epstein stuff and how... What do you make of all that? So I was just doing a change agent's episode with a guy named Nick Bryant, who got a hold of Epstein's little black book
Starting point is 00:58:15 in like 2008 and published it. He's a reporter. I've had a few conversations with him about it. And we were just talking about the release of the, you know, 3.5 million. And apparently Pam Bondi said there's another 3 million, but it's not going to be released. Which is a violation of the...
Starting point is 00:58:32 the law that was just passed. I don't know how they're able to do that. Remember, though, the Dow is at 50,000. Well, that's, I mean, and nothing else matters. Can you believe that? What? I don't, and this is what I was asking him, what's going on?
Starting point is 00:58:50 Like, you know, the three and a half million documents, that's a tremendous amount. And she went from saying the documents are on my desk and doing like this little TikTok release of these people with three ring binders who released almost nothing that was new. To Cash Patel saying that there is nothing of note whatsoever that the criminal charges could be brought from. So now 3.5 million documents being released plus another, what's just called it multiple million documents that they're saying now that they're not going to. I am at a loss as to what is going on at this point. I don't understand.
Starting point is 00:59:26 And I mean, how, like, I already was not trustful of the government. How could I ever trust the government again with anything? But what does that look like for you in your day-to-day life? Like, what are you going to do differently? What other choices will you make? I can't really do. I mean, what can I do? Like, I can't not pay taxes.
Starting point is 00:59:51 I can't, like, that's the thing. I think that's what so many people are. pressure that is what can you do about this? Yeah, Nick's solution, what he's trying to get done is essentially an independent review outside of members of Congress, non-governmental, individual or incremental or independent. That's the word I was looking for. And I forget the other two words associated with it, but it was something that could force prosecutions, because there's some stuff in there that doesn't make any sense, right? There's some very coded language. There's also some very benign shit in there.
Starting point is 01:00:28 Yeah. And it's like there's so much. And also a lot of those things are investigative files where people can make claims of absolutely anything that they want to and it doesn't mean that they're verified. That can't be lost either. It's like are they releasing them in such a bolus in the hopes that people don't use search tools to be able to find the right stuff? Is it just the easiest way for them to get from A to B?
Starting point is 01:00:48 Why are certain things? Like I have no idea what's going on. But I could not be less impressed with Cash Patel and Pam Bondi. I mean, I just think they're horrible people. I think it's either their IQs are more fitting for a thermostat, which I don't think is the case. Or they are being told from the absolute top that this is your playbook and this is what you can say and nothing outside of this. And the reason that they are sounding like buffoons is that they are limited by what they can say. So they're bouncing off these walls of parameters they have to act inside of.
Starting point is 01:01:26 or their heads are going to get lopped off metaphorically. Which is, I mean, I guess I've never been in such a high pressure situation, but how could you... Is it that high pressure? I don't know. I mean, I would assume that you have a lot of pressure from the top, but how could you sacrifice your personal values and morals to protect people that are fucking pedophiles and horrible people?
Starting point is 01:01:56 Like and just- How prevalent do you think that is in our government? I don't know. I mean, it's hard to tell. Here's my worry. I am hearing very popular, very influential people starting to say things like our entire government is comprised of pedophiles. That's not likely.
Starting point is 01:02:22 Yeah, I don't think it's every single person. Well, there has to be some structure for us to rebuild upon. I can't get to a place where I believe that every member of elected member of our government institutions is either eating people, trafficking in children, pedophilia. Are there some people who probably have some very, very kinky and illegal and just absolutely disgusting desires? Sure.
Starting point is 01:02:52 Are we benefited at all by saying that it's all of them? I don't think so. because people are getting into a place where they have absolutely no faith and trust in anything. And I don't know where you go from there. Yeah, I don't know either, but, I mean, with all of this, how can you have faith and trust in any of this? Okay, so then where do we go? That's, I mean, that's the thing is I don't know. I, because it seems to me that a lot of the power structures that are, uh,
Starting point is 01:03:30 controlling our daily lives, not controlling, but our above us have a lot of inner connection with the Epstein stuff with all this. And it's like that is that's everything we interact with in our daily lives. The very top of that is all connected with Epstein and pedophilia and sex trafficking. And it's like what like it just it feels horrible. to even live in that world where everything you do indirectly contributes to that. I mean, I don't think you are directly or indirectly contributing to pedophilia, Michael. I have to pay taxes to people. We can draw the breadcrumbs there, but I think the vast majority of all human beings on Earth,
Starting point is 01:04:19 that it's actually one of the few issues that seems to align both the left and the right, like the abuse of children. The problem is absolutely nobody is being held accountable for it. Well, yeah, and that's, I think the first step. And honestly, do I think our entire government structure needs to be burned to the ground? No. But should we open this thing up to the sunlight to the degree where maybe the vast majority of people get to wear a different type of uniform in their prison cell? And I don't, it's, you know, one of the points that Nick brought up is there's a lot of different ways you can corrupt people, right?
Starting point is 01:04:49 It doesn't have to all be child sex stuff. It could, you know, he was using an example of, you know, people in power who are closetedly gay. and whatever, they're using escort services or maybe even it's legal where they're doing it, but it is their persona that they don't want to have brought into the forefront. So they're compromised in another way. Or money or influence or whatever it is. So yeah, I want all of those people exposed.
Starting point is 01:05:16 And I want sunlight to be the best antiseptic for this. I don't think that it would ruin our government if we were to extricate this level of corruption. Would it be a massive hiccup? Absolutely. But I do think that there are people who are in our government who are there for exactly the right reasons. And if we were to open this thing up, I think that they would be illuminated even more. So I think we could rebuild.
Starting point is 01:05:40 I just get really worried about very influential people saying, like the whole thing's just got to go. They also offer no solutions, by the way. Trust nobody. Everything involved in the government is this. Everybody is complicit in this. The whole thing has to go. I have no solutions or explanations or even an ability to recommend what should come after that. I don't know where we go from there.
Starting point is 01:06:01 I don't know either. I don't know either. But yeah, I mean, there are obviously people trying to work for good. I mean, Thomas Massey and Rochonda are having two of like the most vocal, hey, we need to do something about this. We're trying to look into it, all this stuff. So there are people that are trying to do good. But it's just super disheartening. We have to see something actually happen.
Starting point is 01:06:24 Yeah, and nothing is happening. I can't. I don't. know Pam Bondi at all. I actually don't even know that much about her, but I do know the Dow's at 50,000. Yeah. Which is a statement that I don't believe she wanted to say, had any inclination to say. And I also think she had no choice, but to say that when pressed. I think she was told that when pressed, you better start talking about the economy. Yeah. Which is galactically stupid, by the way. Yes, very. But the picture of her where the people who were interviewing her,
Starting point is 01:07:02 they were in the hearing asking the questions, asked for the victims of Epstein to stand up behind her and raise her hands and she would not look at them. Yeah. It's like, okay. See, to me, at that point, you're just complicit in covering up horrible crimes. And I don't care what the people above you are saying.
Starting point is 01:07:25 You are complicit in covering this shit up. That's because you're a moral person, Michael. Yeah. Here's the reality, though. You and I have never been in that situation. Who knows the leverage that they may have? You know what I mean? It's easy to sit here from the outside.
Starting point is 01:07:40 And I would like to believe that both my morals and yours would survive that. But also, those morals may prevent us from ever getting in that seat in the first place. Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah, I could actually see that. But I also can't say that I've ever had somebody try to pressure me. that way. And I would never get there
Starting point is 01:08:00 because I would fall back to one of my favorite lines which is just take a step back and go fuck your own face long before I ever got to that position. Yeah. Yeah, I think that would. I'm not going to tow the party line
Starting point is 01:08:10 to try to get that job. I don't want it. Yeah. Yeah. So. Yeah, that would probably disqualify you from. Oh, yeah. They're not looking for that person.
Starting point is 01:08:16 No. They're looking for somebody who says it does exactly what they want. I could not be less impressed with Bondi, Patel, Christy Noem. I am shocked.
Starting point is 01:08:29 The whole administration, I am not impressed with. Well, and again, I, from a policy perspective, I agree with a lot of the policies. Their tactical execution is absolutely an utter dog shit. Yeah. So what else? How long we've been going? 105. Let's just leave people with that super high note.
Starting point is 01:08:49 We talked about our future, how the sun is rising on America. It's going to be. We're doomed. It's so over. I think they want people to feel like. they're doomed and that they can't do anything. And I don't have the solution to what it is that you can do. But burying your head in the sand, I don't think is a part of it.
Starting point is 01:09:07 There's probably a few thousand people in government, I think, pulling the strings between elected officials and career bureaucrats. There's 300 plus million adults in the U.S. There's got to be away. Yeah, there's something. Something needs to happen. It's on your generation, Michael. Yeah, it's for us to figure out, which is scary, scary thought.
Starting point is 01:09:29 It truly is. Cool. All right. All right.

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