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Episode Date: June 19, 2026

Michael's in the studio and we're working through the week. We start with two Pasadena officers horsing around with loaded guns. One of them ends up shooting the other through the windshield of the cruiser. We talk about the accountability that comes with carrying a badge. One oh-shit can unwind a career of attaboys. From there we get into the aircraft gifted by Qatar and whether it belongs in service as Air Force One. We cover the new Iran framework, what it cost, and how it stacks up against the deal that came before it. We talk about being able to disagree with your own side without burning the whole thing down. Then there's the UFC event on the White House lawn — the timing, the optics, and fighter bonuses paid out in crypto. We close with the beagle raid at Ridgeland Farms, where the line sits between legal and moral, and what we're willing to do in the name of science. Enjoy Today's Sponsors:  Willies Remedies:  Order now at https://www.drinkwillies.com and use code CLEAREDHOT for 20% off of your first order + free shipping on orders over $95, and enjoy life in the high country AG1:  Go to https://www.DRINKAG1.com/CLEAREDHOT to get their best offer… get a FREE AG1 Flavor Sampler and AGZ Sampler to try all the flavors, plus FREE Vitamin D3+K2 and AG1 Welcome Kit with your first AG1 subscription order!

Okay, got the red smoke. I'm looking at danger close now. Done your job and put some effort into this. Well, yeah. Are we going? We're going. Have you ever had Irba Mote? No, my brother really likes it, though.

There is a chance this might be called Yerba Mote, but I think it's Irba Mote. Yeah, I'm not sure. Huberman gave me some of these. They're pretty good. Is it actually good? It's supposed to be good for your gut and stuff, right? Sure. Okay.

Cool. Yeah. All right. First topic. I get on. First topic. You don't even want to have any friendly banter figure out what's going on in your life. Okay. Let's hear your banter topic. I have a story about my dad that I can't share yet because he needs to share it. But it's top shelf embarrassing for sure. Hell yeah. That's awesome. Can you share it to me after? Yeah. Cool. I can't. I just shared it at our manager's meeting. Mortified. Did this happen at the coffee shop? No, it happened at a place where unfortunately there are no ring cameras because if there were, I put it on the air.

Oh, damn. Yeah. Oh, well. What else? What else is going on in your world? Not a whole lot. Got a couple weddings this summer excited about. None for you, obviously. No. How's the dating scene? How's it going for Mishel? You know, I'm not really dipping my toes into there recently. What are you doing? Not even worrying about it. It's actually really nice. Is it lonely at all?

I mean, it was, but I just don't care anymore. How long do you think that will last? I don't know. I have gotten to the point where I'm fine with never being with somebody if it's not the right person. Never and always are tough terms, man. Right. I'm not saying that's what will happen. Yeah.

I'm just saying in general, I think I understand where you're coming from. And I also would completely agree. agree with you. Forcing something with the wrong person is not going to net amazing results. Terrible. I mean, I've kind of tried that in the past. It's just terrible. So I'm just like, why would I do that? Do you think it is your current generation, your dating cohort? Is it the limited dating pool in the valley, the combination of those things? What do you think it is? Yeah, I think all of the above. I've heard from people, even in big cities, that it's very difficult.

What's the different? Like meeting people? No, I don't think that's the issue. I think it's just the, there's, I think it's just a really different culture around dating nowadays that took me a second to catch up with and realize. So the culture that I grew up in in dating was, I guess it would just be that.

You would go on a date. I didn't hear a lot of people. I'm sure there are people who were casually dating, but it was more. dating to get to know each other and then becoming a couple or not becoming a couple. What about that has shifted? I think, you know, I'm sure there are still situations like that. But I think for the most part, a lot of people, people are just a lot more independent now.

Okay. And I think a lot of it is the realization that people don't want or need somebody else in their life. if it's not a majority value ad. And I've actually have also. Wouldn't that be the, I would feel like dating in general, that would be the underlying premise is to find somebody a majority value ad. No, I agree.

But I think in the past and somewhat now, especially in Montana, there's a ton of pressure to find somebody and get married. And you may sacrifice some of your values for that. And now people, are more in the boat of, hey, if I need to sacrifice a lot of my values for this, then it's not worth it. And so instead, I'll take my time. I'm in no rush. And I want to say shop around, but not try and force myself to get into something and let something come up naturally and make sure it aligns

with my values. I think what you need to do is take the wean on walks. That would help for sure. I do take them on walks, but just around the neighborhood. Yes. Well, in the neighborhood, you're going to find families and perhaps encounter small children. Let's just not even go down that rabbit hole, all right? What do you think of me? It shifts on the day, to be honest, or some of the things that you can. I mean, I don't know if you were recording that, but you started almost hysterically laughing as you were getting ready to pull stuff up.

Yeah, because there's something. I don't know what you're into or how you gather information. A lot of these things I see on Instagram and then do a further deep dive. I see people like, I think Rogan would be a good example. I think he follows thousands of people, 5,700, 6,000 people. I don't know if there's enough. If each one of those people posted a picture, how would you even see a day's worth of content, let alone if somebody was a voracious poster?

Right, yeah. I don't think you could. And so I'm thinking about this, the stuff that we do, see, I feel like there's a lot of awesome stuff we don't. Probably. Part of me is sad that we don't have the time to see all of it, but also very happy that I'm not spending an immense amount of time. Yeah.

Yeah. I don't actually really love Instagram, which is why I have a timer on it. But I do see some hilarious shit on Instagram. What do you not like about it? It's really easy. It just draws you in super easily. And it doesn't, I don't think. Almost like it's designed to.

Oh, it for sure is. It for sure is. And it seems to not really matter who you are. Once you hit the Reels tab, you're in, you know, which is why for me, for me, I need to, I have a timer on it. And so I, the max I can spend out of time is five minutes on Instagram. But multiple five minutes? Yeah, but there's a cool down in between. How long? I don't actually don't know because once I, break the cycle? Yeah, once I break the cycle, I don't really feel the need to go back on. It is fun and mindless, and sometimes it is almost even maybe beneficial to take five minutes

to do something fun and mindless to transition or unwind. It is sticky for sure. Yeah. What I find so funny is because when my thing comes up, it says, do you still need Instagram? And if I click, yes, it makes me wait two minutes. But I'll find it. I find myself watching the stupidest video, not even realizing it. And then when it comes up and asks, do you still need Instagram?

I'm like, no, I do not need to be watching this. No, I don't because I don't want to wait in two minutes. So it's really funny. It's made me realize how stupid some of the stuff that I see is. It prays to human nature. The tech is just evolving so much faster than human beings are. Yeah, we're on the caveman hardware. Yeah.

Or software. I forget who I was talking to about this, but content in ways that, you know, some individuals or channels try to grow. I think it was actually Huberman that was saying, if you A, B, test things enough, what you come back with is conspiracy theory is important. Yeah. Those are the two. That result of A.B. testing. That is actually where A.B. testing eventually leads you if you get to the end of it. And I thought about that and said, you know what?

Honestly, though. Yeah, that's like two of the most sticky things you could show somebody. Yeah. And, you know, yeah, both could be addicting. But yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Man.

Okay. Shall we begin? We shall. We have, yeah, we have to be, we'll be hard out at three. Perfect. Because we're going to allow others to use our studio today. Nice. Not by themselves, you know, because that would be irresponsible.

But, yeah. Because I'll be directly participating in that. That's good. Yeah. We don't want to come back to a ruined studio. Knives everywhere. Yeah. What you got?

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Educate yourself on the requirements of perhaps your profession or social choices and make sure You make a good decision. Back to the show. I've been sent this a few times. Go ahead. Okay, let me get the volume. A cop pulls a joke with a gun and instantly regrets it. So before you even hit play.

Yeah. One, two, three, four, five, six, seven. The first seven words in that, don't do that. Be better than being a cop pulls or pulls a joke with a gun. Yeah, I mean. Go ahead. Just disregarding all gun safety here. I don't know if there's sound

Dude it hit him I know I don't know if that was the one that was in the Stand up dude Getting a tourniquet out Can you turn it kit the shoulder Depends on where Hit play again

Start it over Yes I will start it over This thing is so difficult to control That was in the car Yeah I believe it went through the windshield Well I mean it had to Oh yeah you can see the crack In the windshield

Okay. So, okay, hit pause. For our audio-only audience, or to be more inclusive, perhaps our visually impaired audience, is able to watch this video. How do we describe this in a way that is reflective and accurate? So it's dash cam footage of a police cruiser. And I'm going to guess, based, they're in an underground parking facility. Yeah. Owned by the police, it looks like.

Well, it has to be. I'm assuming that this is probably a shift change or maybe where they, this is where they drop off people or the station itself. Yeah. So the dash cam car pulls up to. Two officers are, I'll call that a Ford Explorer. Standing at the back of a Ford Explorer. They are coking and joking. General horseplay is occurring at the back.

Yes. As it does. And it should. I'm supportive of that. Yeah. However, the, go ahead and pull it forward here a little bit. Just hit play. as one officer, I'll assume it's a single officer,

pulls up in front, the officer, if you're, well, I'll use right and left based off looking through the windshield. The officer to the right, indexes his holster, pulled out his firearm, I mean, sure. Is his finger clearly off the trigger? Yes. Does every other thing that he's doing violate safe firearm practices? also yes.

Yes. So he draws down, I'll assume, and then this is a little bit tough with the parallax and seeing the angle. I'm assuming he is actually pointing a live weapon. And I'm also going to assume that this wasn't at his buddy. Or I'm sorry, wasn't at a stranger. Because I feel like if you did this to an officer that you didn't know, not that you should do it to an officer that you do know. At all. Yeah, let's not point.

Or to anybody unless you're in a life or death situation. Which now leads me to believe do they do this every time they run into each other on the street But that's a conversation, I guess, for another day. So hit play again. He pointed at it for a little bit, re-holsters. Stands there. Go back to right before he gets shot. I feel like what he is doing is watching the other officer do the same thing back to him.

Yeah. Be like, oh, which leads me again to the question, how often are you? you two doing this. Are they pointing their loaded weapons? Is this the first time that this has happened? I really hope so. I wish the number of times this happened was a precise, literal and figurative round number of zero.

Yeah. But this is leading to me to believe that it's not. Look at the officer on the left, smiling, laughing about it. This is a great time. Let's only watch the officer on the left. Let's see if his facial expression changes. Go ahead and play. And we no longer have smiling.

The officer on the right, go ahead and pause. Yeah. looks like he took around in the upper delt. That sounds horrible. There now appears to be a spidering of the windshield. I believe, yeah, that's probably far enough over there because isn't that little, see that little bump right there on the dash, which I think is the light sensor.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I feel like that's usually centered in the vehicle. So we're seeing a little bit on the right-hand side. So I'm just trying to think, I feel like there's more than enough windshield left for this to have 100% occurred in the vehicle. Yeah. I don't think a pistol would shower. a windshield from the outside from the overpressure where the pressure released.

So yeah, we got a roundout. Yeah. Got a round out through windshield. Nice. Into a shoulder. And I feel like we have some paperwork that'll follow this. Of course, the paperwork's not the most important in the moment. Yeah.

What they need to do is treat this individual. Hard to say that looks like right underneath the patch for the agency or the city. So that's high up on the dealt. you probably would not be able to turnicat that because you'd have to, I mean, you know what I mean? Anything below, you need to basically be above. Yeah. The point of injury.

Direct pressure is going to work on that bad boy. Probably not going to be fatal. Doesn't mean it feels good. Not a shiatsu. Yeah. Deep tissue. This and the fact that they were being so nonchalant with clearly loaded fire.

firearms. Yeah. I mean, the job of law enforcement is hard enough as it is. And they also know that there are video cameras everywhere. I don't know anything about this facility, but I bet there's video cameras in the parking garage that they're in. Probably. Yeah.

They have to know that the vehicles have a dash cam because I'm assuming maybe those guys were partnered up in that explorer. They have to have a dash cam. I'm going to assume they're both wearing body cams. Now, body cams aren't always on because I believe they are being charged sometimes or someone they exit the vehicle. It'll actually turn on or they have to turn them on. I'm not an expert on body cams, but I know for some of them, they're not on 24-7.

But if you know that, is that fair that all of your activity could be potentially recorded? No, it's not fair. But your job comes with an additional level of scrutiny, responsibility, accountability. And sure, that may not be fair in comparison to other. people's jobs. But if you go down that path and that's the occupation that you pursue, then you are willingly absorbing those additional layers. And if something like this happens, and I'm sure if you were to get them over a beer and say, why would you even do that, A, to begin with, but let's just pull the idiocy of this aside. Yeah. And say, why would you do that

in an environment that you know it could be recorded? They would probably say, well, yeah, if this hadn't happened, nobody would check the video because this, that, or the other. But that doesn't That's not a valid excuse. It's not a valid reason. It's none of those things. This directly undermines. Have you ever heard the saying it takes one, oh, shit to unwind, fill in the blank, 2,000 out of boys?

No. We used to hear it all the time. You can understand what I'm saying, right? You could do the right thing 2,000 times in a row. An analogy that you would understand would be you could build bridges for 1,000 years. Suck one dick. What are you? You're a dick, suck.

There you go. I figured you'd be able to fill the blanket on that. I think, yeah. Yeah. I've heard different versions of that one. I'm not saying these directly tie in. Yeah. What I'm saying is now you're known for shooting your buddy in the chest shoulder.

People will see this. Some people will see this as this is what all cops do. Yeah. They will look for any indication of the profession that perhaps they don't like for whatever ideological reason. Perhaps they had a bad experience. whatever, for whatever reason they may have any level of distaste in the occupation or look for leverage that could be used against them. See, this is exactly why we shouldn't fill in the blank.

No pun intended, this is every bit of ammunition that people like that will be looking for. Yeah. The job is hard enough. It has enough scrutiny. Unfortunately, a lot of people will see this and say, see, and say, see, I told you so. And that sucks. Because maybe these guys are. fantastic officers, but one, oh, shit, can unwind a career of attaboys. Now, not all oh, shits

rise to the same level, but punching an additional hole in your buddy's body through the windshield of your cruiser. Yeah, that's pretty... Is not great. No, not great at all. That sucks. Like, even just... God, that sucks. Forget about being a cop. Like, pointing your gun at somebody else in general. It violates every single rule. It violates every single rule of safe firearm ownership and handling. Yeah. And then again, that falls back into the additional level of accountability and responsibility.

These people, officers should have more training with firearms usage, safety, storage, procedures than your average civilian. Not all because some people really get into it and they want to train a bunch, but your average nine out of 10 people or 90 out of 100 people walking down the side of the street. They have that additional level. And that's why we also empower them with arrest authorities and the ability to carry lethal weapons and use them if need be. This undermines the entire profession. Not completely.

It doesn't hobble the profession. But you also don't get to ignore this. Yeah. Yeah. It's just so insane. How did it, I'm going to assume the officer didn't die. How did this terminate? And wasn't this recently?

This was like a week or two ago. So he ended up surviving. Yeah, it's a high shoulder shot. I'm not saying that can't be lethal, but my assumption would be that he can survive. Again, doesn't mean that it felt like a Shiazhu massage. Yeah. And I think I'm almost positive.

The other officer was- Terminated. Yeah. Oh, horseplay incident. Nice. You know what they say. Just horsing around. Horse play leads to sick bay.

That's what they say. say in the Navy. Wow. Which in this instance, it did lead to sick bay. It's proven to be true. Yeah. You know what they probably hated the most?

What? That they had to call the firefighters to come render aid. They're like, for this. They're like, hey guys. Shut up and get the back of the car. We'll run code.

We'll go lights and sirens, but we're taking you to the hospital without calling 911. The fire department knows nothing of this. Okay, so the incident happened as officers. We were kind of on track. what we were thinking. So they were at a shift changeover. Video released by the department.

Ooh, probably got FOIA, would be my guess. Yeah, pointing his weapon out of calling inside a patrol vehicle. So, so far we're good. Followed by the officer inside the vehicle pointing his own gun back. The officer's gone discharged. Yes, because he pulled the trigger. Shooting a bullet through the windshield and hitting the other officer in the shoulder. Following the incident. The injured officer has recovered and remains employed with the department.

Interesting. The officer who fired the shot identified as I'm not going to say his name was fired. The Los Angeles County District Attorney's Office is conducting a criminal review of the shooting and the department recently opened a new investigation based on newly surfaced evidence. So I can see, so neither of them clearly were in the right. Just because the person who got shot didn't have a negligent discharge doesn't meet their behavior any less egregious. Yeah. But it's not as egregious as the dude is smoke.

him. For sure. So I could understand, I suppose, them keeping him on. I feel like there's some paperwork that associated or accompanied this incident. The other person, this goes back to the accountability and responsibility. Your job, you are, you are expected to be better. Yeah. Be better than shooting your friend through the windshield of your police cruiser. If you're going to do that, you probably shouldn't be a cop. You might be great at other things. But if If that is the level of decision making that you are going to fall to, I don't think I want you out there on the mean streets of Pasadena. Yeah. Do you know where Pasadena is, Michael?

It's in California. Do you know where? No. L.A. area. Oh, okay. L.A. Basin. Nice. It's like 14 million people in there.

That's crazy. Yeah. Is it a nice, like nice place or? Couldn't tell you. Okay. Let's assume yes. Let's be good people. We'll be positive.

today. Positive. We're not even going to say glass half full or half empty because we both know they're refillable. Let's just pour it until it spills over the top. Yeah. Yeah. Perfect. Let's pour into others today, Michael.

For sure. Positiveity-wise, I don't want your brain to run away from you there. It didn't. Don't worry. I'm not as perverted as you. I'm actually, I'm not perverted. I'm pretty down the middle of the road. Pretty straight-laced.

Okay. Speaking of perverted, I had to call Johann today. The connection is that he's German. So therefore they might have enjoy like wearing latex clothing out in town to get a latte. For press sexuality. Indeed. We are at the helicopter and there's still some German writing in there. Oh, yeah.

I called him. I said German, I said, Johann, I need an emergency German translation. Yeah. And he instantly gave it to us. Very useful tool. That's actually great. It was awesome. It's like your own Google translate.

Kind of, yeah. So I figured it out. I'm going to get a label maker and take Johan with me there. And we're going to go ahead and sort. All these things. We're going to put them in old English, if you will. Yes. That's a good idea.

Yeah. Nice. What else you got? That was a good one to open with. I know. Essence of comedy, but also incredibly, incredibly serious. And you're going to have very deep consequences. Luckily, was not more serious.

You know what I would do if I was in leadership there? What? The officer who pulled his gun out and didn't have the negligent discharge would be associated with weapons handling safety courses for the remainder of his career, he would have to stand in front of recruit. Every time when you talk about the lethality of weapons or you're going to have to give a brief or just the introduction to people at academies, this video would be played and that officer who got shot in the arm would stand there and have to tell the story in front of his future peers. That is hilarious. It's not hilarious. But it's kind of. Hey, you wrote the check.

Yeah, the department now cashes that. Exactly. Yeah. With interest, with a little big run. With interest. Yeah. What else you got? Okay. Oh, no. So.

Oh, they're actually doing it. Yes. And using the, one of the new planes will be the plane gifted by Qatar. I think so. I actually don't know the correct saying of that. I've heard guitar and cutter. I've heard both. Yeah.

I'm not sure. And my, it seems like not. a good idea to use a plane that was manufactured by a foreign government, even though we're friendly with Qatar? Well, don't think that it comes from Qatar and immediately gets put into service. So scroll up to that picture, and I'm not familiar with these airframes at all, but just from an aircraft perspective, you can tell from the outside that there are specifically maybe the top of the aircraft, which I'm going to assume those are antenna arrays and stuff like that.

It looks a lot like a civilian airliner that people would recognize. It's highly, highly, highly, highly modified. Yeah. So I don't know how I feel either about even just receiving the gift. I know that there are other Air Force One models. I'm going to take that back. I'm going to step that back. I don't know that there are other Air Force One models.

I believe that there are already some in production and the gifted aircraft is a bridge between them. Can you look that up to see if there are outside of the one that was gifted? And there was an immense cost in taking the gifted aircraft. From my understanding, they took it completely down to its essentially skeleton, swept every inch of that thing, and then discarded what they needed to re-put it back together for the mission requirements that would be needed for Air Force One. Yeah, okay. So there are currently three Air Force One planes in various stages of production.

That's what I thought. And so I believe the gifted aircraft is a bridge. Okay. But it wasn't free. I mean, the aircraft might have been free. Right. Like what does free actually mean? Right.

You know, is there, was there a little heesh under the table? Quit pro quo going on. Could phraseology. Quid pro quo. So I was just going to go with heesh, which doesn't mean the same thing. Don't know what that means. Hand job. Oh, okay.

There's beege, hajeege. God, okay, I get it. Throw these into your vernacular. I will. I got these from one of my kids. I forget which one it was. Anyway, though, the cost of stripping that aircraft down to nothing, rebuilding, putting the tech in, modifying all, that's not free.

So there was already money being spent on these. And I don't know where the other ones were in the life cycle. If they were the end of it or they weren't serviceable, then maybe I could see an argument for it. If they were serviceable and the current president just thought, they were dingy, not up to his standards. Right. Hey man.

For somebody who ran on lowering the amount of debt that we are in. Yeah. And being, you want to, if you want to, you know, taxes is an interesting conversation. I don't mind paying taxes. I wouldn't mind paying more taxes. And I've heard a lot of people say this and I agree with it. If the government can show me that they were a good steward of my money, which they haven't been able to do. No, they suck.

If you want to show people that you can be a good steward of their money, yeah, I understand. Well, maybe it was a, it was only $100 billion. And I'm completely making that number up, by the way. I have, it could have been a dollar as much as it could have been $100 billion, even though I know it was more than a dollar. My point is, repeated small actions over time can have an impact. And if you slowly want to start changing people's minds, that's actually how you do that. It's not one big thing. And then people say, oh, I now have a completely different opinion.

Repeated small behaviors over time can make massive changes. So I worry about what may have been said or unsaid as far as the gift of that aircraft. Maybe if it was not, it wasn't even anything that said, but it was an expectation, an undertone. Yeah. Who, do we want our elected officials to even have any level of leverage on them from anybody outside of the United States? No, or actually even anybody inside of the United States. No. Yeah, anybody.

Still a hard no. Yeah. If it costs a tremendous amount of money just because the current president didn't think that the other aircraft was up to snuff, I got a problem. problem with that. Yeah. Also, he doesn't have any expertise in aircraft or any sort of like why. What does that have to do thing? Because how can he say, oh, no, this isn't good enough when he doesn't even know. He would be saying it from an aesthetic perspective. It would be my guess. Oh, okay. Well, that makes sense actually. No, no, that's what I mean. From aesthetically, if he says, I don't like the way this plane looks, it looks too old for me. But there are already planes that have been paid for or

budgeted out and they're being built. And he just doesn't want to wait. for them to be put into service. I have a problem with that. Yeah, that's insane. Again, steward of our money. Yeah. Not really, actually. I would imagine the likelihood of that aircraft not being taken down to a microscopic level

and completely swept and then rebuilt would be, I don't think it would possible, I suppose, probable, unlikely that you would be able to hide anything in there. Oh, no. I mean, yeah, I don't doubt that they're going to absolutely. do a full sweep of it. But just even still, just on principle of, first of all, not even taking this gift because it's kind of insane to have a personal gift given of that value to a president. What if Putin said that one's pretty dope, but mine's better and you can get it up and running, no cost. We'll send it over to you. What precedent does it set? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. That's, yeah.

Or Gigi Peng says, we'll give you two. Yeah. They're way better. Why would you, why even consider that? Yeah, that's what I'm saying. We already have three in production. Yeah. I don't know.

Kind of an insane situation. But insane. I don't know if I would use the word insane. It's certainly the first time I've ever heard of something about that. Yeah. So I guess staying on topic of being good stewards of America. American tax dollars Oh, where do they go?

Oh, the supposed Peace deal with Iran Specifically Sanctions and frozen assets Scroll up to the very top though Yeah Where was it?

Go down a little bit, obviously That's a creepy picture of Obama watching Trump, which I feel like was cobbled together From two different photos Yeah, it's got to be Why would they do that? That is an odd choice. I don't really like it.

Hold on. US President Donald Trump looks on as the portrait of former U.S. President Barack Obama. Can we see it in the background at the White House in Washington, D.C., June 26, 2025. Okay. A little weird, right? Whatever. Scroll down. I'm just trying to, there's something that mentioned the nuclear aspect of the deal.

Oh, okay. It is down. Right there. Both deals involve a written commitment by Iran never to seek a nuclear weapon. Please Google if prior to this, Iran had a written agreement never to seek a nuclear weapon. Prior to Obama or Trump's? Trumps. The war engagement, military use of force, whatever you want to call the last 90-some days.

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visit drink ag1.com slash cleared hot to get your free AG1 Pro Yeti shaker in your AG1 pro welcome kit. That's drink AG1.com slash cleared hot. Back to the show. Joint comprehensive plan of action. Yeah, JCPOA. Yeah, let me pull that up real quick. Prior to the recent conflict, Iran's nuclear programs governed by the joint comprehensive plan of action JCPOA. Finalized in 2015, the landmark accord was negotiated between Iran and the P5 plus one, the United States,

Kingdom, France, Russia, China, and Germany, alongside the European Union. Under the JCPOA, Iran agreed to significantly scale back its nuclear program. In exchange, the international community provided extensive economic sanctions relief. Enrichment limits, stockpile reductions, center fuse caps, plutonium restructuring, scroll down, international inspections. Okay. So the point is they had agreed to this before. We were, I think, rightfully being told that they still were pursuing a nuclear weapon.

So now we're just going back to largely what we had before. The same agreement that we had before. But we spent $30 billion to do it. But also, I mean, the money thing again, the stewards of the money, that's definitely a valid conversation. Why do we think that the behavior will be different? Also, wasn't Trump talking about regime change as well when it came to this? I have heard both sides of that now, and I quite frankly don't know which one has the more. Yeah, I'm not sure. Let me look.

Has the more validity, has more validity to it. And while you're looking it up, before people are losing their mind on the internet, neither Michael or I'm going to speak for you a little bit, Michael, one, a nuclear Iran. No, I don't. I don't think the current regime in Iran is good for the Iranians or the rest of the world. No. I don't want them to continue to state sponsor terrorism. None of those things.

I'm just, I feel like we are obligated to ask, why did we do this? Yeah. What were the conditions that led up to us doing this? And what are the conditions that we're going to go back into? Because I feel like we're going to reenter essentially the exact same conditions, largely, not identically, that we were in before at the loss of American life already, Iranian life already.

Material, manpower, all of those things. All right. No, President Donald Trump has explicitly walked back his pursuit. Okay, good. regime change in Iran. because I've never once seen an air campaign capable of accomplishing that anyway. Okay, so good. I'm glad.

Okay. Thank you for looking that up. I mean, I guess we have to wait and see what is. Can you find the bullet points? Try to Google the bullet points of the specifics of the deal that I, didn't you sign it yesterday? At the G7 in Switzerland? Oh, yes. So we should be able to find the actual specific bullet points, hopefully, a summary of perhaps.

whole text of Trump's preliminary U.S. Iran agreement to any more. This adds. Oh, boy. I'll see if I can find a condensed. Google this. What is the difference between the JCPOA and the agreement that I ran just signed? Here I have. Whoa.

Dude, we're having inception right now. Where are you going? So these are the major differences between Trump's and Obama's. Both deals involve sanctions. The J.C. JCPOA involved extensive international inspections, but the MOU or memorandum of understanding, which I believe is what they only have signed so far until it's made official, does not call for any future reinstatement of that process.

Okay, so no more inspections, right? We're just going to take Iran at their word. That seems to have worked out well. Here's a little bit more condensed version. Yes, thank you. Obama's Pact deliberately excluded regional conflicts and non-nuclear issues. Trump's agreement is fundamentally a war resolution. framework intended to stop active military hostilities.

Okay. Negotiating parties. Obama's JCPOA was a multilateral effort negotiated alongside global powers. Sanctions of financial relief. Obama's deal phased in sanctions, relief, and asset unfreezing strictly as Iran met verified nuclear benchmarks. I like the idea of this. You do this for a period of time.

We give you this. Trump's framework front loads of the relief by lifting oil export waivers and opens the door for a proposed regional fund of at least $300 billion for Iranian economic development. Finality, the JCPOA was finalized was a finalized codified plan. Trump's document serves as a 14-point framework meant to guide a 60-day sprint towards a final binding settlement. That's why it's an MOU or a memorandum of understanding. I can't sit here and say I'm an expert in geopolitics.

I'm not going to sit here and say I'm an expert in that particular reason, even though I've spent many years over there because I wasn't doing it at a level where we were talking policy. and things like that, there are some differences. There's a lot of similarities. Yeah. Yeah. And I would even, I mean.

At what cost? You know, I mean, what? Yeah. I mean, several American lives, like you said, $30 billion of direct cost, estimated $130 billion indirect costs. And I'm, oh, yeah, it's right here. You know, there's an issue too that I don't think a lot of people care to talk about or maybe they don't care, but our status and station in the world as well.

Yeah. Did we enhance what people might think, which I believe the United States can be, which is a beacon for what is possible, a beacon for what is right, a beacon for standing up for those who can't stand up for themselves? Did we enhance that or did we detract from that? And a lot of people would say, well, they don't care what the rest of the world thinks about either them or our country. and that's fine. We feel that way if you want to, but we live in a globally connected society. It's unavoidable.

Everybody's connected now. Estimated costs of $29 billion, factoring in broader macroa and not fail in a long-term layabilities. Independent economists in the Iran War Cost Tracker estimate the true cost runs into the hundreds of billions or even trillions of dollars. That's a really large difference between $29 billion and trillions.

Direct military costs, munition burns, damage infrastructure. Those are all true. Energy and gas prices, not national debt interest. Yeah, I mean, that's all very true. And you're never going to hear me say that the U.S. should not have military capability and that we shouldn't have the ability to project it and that there isn't a time for military action. But I will always say, why are we doing the things that we're doing at what cost we should have those conversations? That's all I'm saying is we should be able to openly have those conversations. And you should be able to, regardless of your politics, blue or red or if you're trying to be purple in the middle, you should be able to disagree with, it's like being married. I don't know, I don't know everybody. I don't even know a lot of people,

but in the married people that I know, I've never met a single couple that says, I love every single aspect of the person that I am married to. Everyone. I love their behavior. I love their attitude at all times. No, there are issues where there are agreeance and largely more agreeance than disagreance, but there are issues where there is not alignment, but you can still love the person

for who they are and feel like you could coexist with that person, grow together, create a family, be successful together. I would like to see people be able to at least have that thought process when it comes to politics where even if you are on team blue or team red and your particular team captain happens to be in the Oval Office when it's not being used as a walkout for a UFC fight, which is kind of bizarre and equally awesome at the same time. I mean, I don't even know where I land and all that. But it's okay to not agree with every single thing that your team captain is up to at the moment. I actually think it's a much more intellectually secure and mature position to be in

to be able to have the conversations as an adult where I really like this, but I'd like to see this be a little bit different. That's not a resounding like this person has to go. And that's, I don't, I don't feel that from a lot of people. It's either 100% commitment or 100% against. Even though now in the House and the Senate, you're starting to see some people bucking back a little bit. in those team captain colors on both sides. Yeah, even in, even in, yeah, we're not going to do this, that, or the other. And I think that's healthy. I think so too.

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I feel like the whole point of the, of Congress is not to just vote for your team, but to represent your constituents. And sometimes that will go against your team, which is like, yeah, it's, to me, it's insane how often representatives vote on party lines or just vote with their party. Ideologies are powerful, man. Yeah, I just, I don't get it.

I mean, I understand how it happens, but it's just disappointing, you know. I hope we do a full, thorough, after-action review post-mortem. I would love to see it. What were the tasks, conditions, and standards before, during, and after? What measurable impact did we have? My sneaking suspicion is that it was, not that it wasn't necessarily meaningful, but I would wonder about how meaningful it actually was

and how much meaningful change was actually accomplished. Yeah. And in that after action, if it showed it to be something other than that, I'd be the first person to admit that I was wrong. But I'm basing this on the information that I have. And truly the sloppy leadership, ship communication from the top as to what is it exactly we're trying to do and what are the

metrics we're using to measure it. Well, yeah, I don't think to me there didn't seem to be a clear goal of what we were trying to do. And it hurt everybody. Like that I just don't, I don't I don't understand what benefit any of this had. Perhaps it remains to be seen. Perhaps you and I Perhaps. I mean, well, that's true anyways. Agreed. Agreed. What else you got for today? Well, actually, I didn't really plan this, but what, let's talk about the UFC 250 event. And I don't know, what are thoughts on using the, what was that the White House lawn?

South Lawn. South Lawn. Just south of the, the White House building itself. Yeah. For an event such as that. Oh. Oh, there was an aspect of, man, that's a pretty incredible spectacle. Yeah. And I also understand the other aspect from people saying,

I'm not so sure that that particular monument and what it stands for should be used for something like that. I can understand that as well, too. There are little things that you can do in a leadership role that, in my opinion, remove what would be the correct word maybe I'll phrase it like this was the UFC on Trump's birthday I don't know if it was exactly on there but it was definitely close associated with right or yes talked about in in the same in the same breath if you don't do that and I'm not I mean it's fortuitous timing or random timing that his birthday may align with that it was on his birthday which was a Sunday, which is interesting

because I think the fights are usually on Saturdays. When you give people room to make assumptions and you have a history of what could be viewed as doing very self-serving things, it opens up conversations that whether they are valid or invalid, it eats away at your leadership capital. So even if it had been on a Saturday, But actually, Google, why was the UFC at 250 held on Sunday instead of Saturday?

Try to make as few assumptions as possible. Yes. On Sunday. U.S. U.S. was scheduled on Sunday to deliberately align with President Donald Trump's 80th birthday and flag day. So I guess there is flag day. He can't plan that his birthday is going to be on flag day, right?

Those two are inseparable because that's how calendars work. Yes. If I'm sitting in that seat, And I'm looking at this. And I want to hold a UFC event because I'm a fan of them. Yes. This is me as the president. Yes.

You've been deported. No one knows to where you have disappeared. Yeah, I've been disappeared. To the land of the gingers, which I don't know what that is. Maybe Ireland. Actually, if you want to deport me to Ireland, I'd go. I don't know if you know this. But when I deport you, you're not choosing.

I might deport you to Tennessee. You know. That's Alabama. Not a deportation. It's an importation. Okay. And I would tear a few for that. Okay.

So I put myself in that seat. In the same political environment where it's really, really divided right now. And I know that people could connect the dots and say, man, a little bit of narcissism going on trying to do that. at where you can walk out from where you're currently living on your birthday and turning this into you, I would be intimately aware of that level of scrutiny and optic. Yeah. I would intentionally not hold it on my birthday. I would do it.

I mean, that's an easy starting point. I'm not people in power can make leadership positions can make whatever decision they want to. I'm just talking about this from the position of somebody who when you're in a leadership role, everybody is listening to you. everybody is watching you and they're paying attention. So you have the ability with your alignment of actions and speech to have an immense amount of impact. And when you say, I'm here to serve the people, but we're having the UFC on the White

House for my birthday, that's a divergence, not a, you know what I mean? Not a parallel. So there are ways you can do things as a, I mean, be. aware of the fact, yes, randomly my birthday is on Flag Day, cool, which my birthday is not, by the way, I'm still talking about if I was this person in that, in that, I'm just intersecting or interjecting myself into that situation. No other changes in that. No, I'm not doing it there then because of the potential, just continued conflict about that. Could you still hold a USC? Sure. Do it at a normal time. Do one in Washington, D.C. if you want to,

but don't turn it into something that could be leveraged against you. Yeah. Or. And now people will say, well, then you can't do anything. No, that's not true at all. This is, this was 100% optional. Yeah, this is kind of outside the scope of presidential duties. Well, it's outside of the scope of any duties we've ever seen a president conduct so far.

I don't know what the scope of presidential duties are. I do know that he added Derek Lewis to the fight personally. by calling Dana White and saying, why isn't Derek Lewis on the card? That's a little weird. He was on the card. He lost. First off, did you see the large man try to arm bar him? You know, I didn't even watch it.

So Derek Lewis, somebody tried to arm bar him. For about 30 seconds. It was not what I would call the best expression of foundational jiu-jitsu. Yeah. Oh, and there was Josh Hokit that fought him. And then made a joke about... Whoa, take it easy to scare me. Damn.

Who then said that Michelle Obama was a man. Dude. Wild thing to say. You don't talk about conspiracy theories. He'll say comedy, joke. I'm here to be successful. I wasn't serious. Dude.

Be better than that. Yeah. Be better than that. Yeah. And, you know, if he would have said that at a normal UFC event, still bad, that's one thing. But to say it on at the White House, on Freedom 250, obviously trying to stir up some sort of something. Yeah. It's insane.

To go back to my point, talking about being in a leadership position, I don't claim to have been in a lot of them inside of the military. And many of the ones that I, that I was in were totally low level, mid-level management, like enlisted, not, you know what I mean? Like the fate of the Nun Universe didn't rest on my shoulders, Michael, that was only on Thursdays, the year that I got out. Of course, of course. That's not even true either. But when I was in a leadership position, and I'm not saying I was always perfect at this, I was at least always thinking, what are the optics as well? There's what you need to do. You know you need to get stuff done.

But in the back of your mind, what are the optics of this? How do I want to approach this in a way that does no greater harm? That does as much good as possible, that is as successful as possible without any additional level of harm. I would have viewed that event as there's too much here. Why we let's support the UFC. I love the fights. The fights were great.

Yeah, no. The Gachi-Tipori fight, holy cow, dude. It was fantastic. And Gachi almost broke his neck on his backflip. going off the top rung. But whatever. He needs to stop doing that. Because you see, so he landed it and then fell backwards and totally cranked his neck.

But again, I think the adrenaline in the moment, he's going to be okay. Yeah, I think he'll be okay. I've met him before. Super nice dude. He seems like a cool guy. Very cool dude. Five minutes of talking to him. That's it.

So it's a data point of one, but a very nice man. Yeah. Well, and the other. Leadership is hard enough as it is. Yeah. You. And again, I am personally split on. this because some of those pictures were amazing. But does that set a precedent for the next team

captain that comes in and, you know, back and forth? Right. Now I'm going to, yeah, use whatever I like on the White House lawn and blah, blah, blah. I mean, well, here's the thing, though, too. The White House lawn is used for a tremendous amount of things, from Easter egg hunts to a variety of events are held there. It's not as if this is the first time there was ever an event held. This is the first time that this type of event was ever held. Yeah. So here's my question. are any of those other events private events that private company set up or is this the first private event because that is another thing to me where this is run by a private company it was also paid for by the private company it just was hosted on the grounds yeah correct and that to me is a

little i don't know the answer to that yeah that would be weird that'd be like um this is going to be a super chunky example, but Marriott hits up the administration and says, can we do our Q4 corporate event? Exactly. We'll pay for everything. Yeah. The cost and we'll build it up and tear it down and all that stuff. I mean, again, so it's a chunky analogy, but I think it gets the point of credit.

The same idea. I don't know if that's the first time that's ever happened. Yeah. That to me is odd. I don't want it to become something that is constantly used for that. No. I wouldn't be against. I can't, I mean, there's an unlimited amount of examples that I haven't thought about,

but I would certainly be open to hearing people discuss other types of events there. I don't think it should be completely off limits, but I don't think it should be, hey, this Saturday come to the, right. Every Saturday, there's something going. Circus or carnival, you know, in the South lawn. One is a security nightmare. Oh, I can imagine. Yeah.

Yeah. And then the other thing, too, is the owner of the USC is Donald Trump's buddy. Yeah. And it's like, hey, let's host this. It's going to get a ton of buys. You're going to make a ton of money from this. Can you Google this? And again, this is another one I heard.

Where the finer bonuses paid in Trump coin. Yes, I will Google that. I know there was talk of it. That would be insane. Please tell me I was wrong. We're paid entirely in a stable coin called USD1, the Cryptocurrency Series is by the World Liberty Financial. a crypto venture linked to the Trump family.

So it was paid in stable coin. Yes. Which, yeah, I don't. Remember I was just saying a few minutes ago where leadership is hard enough and you have choices when you are, and there's no leadership role in the U.S.

that's going to get more scrutiny than this. We are as divided as a country as I can remember, at least in my own lifetime. not saying in the history of our country, but in the short period of time that I've been around, or middle period of time that I've been around, Michael. I'd be closer to death now than I am birth. You know? You never know.

How old do you know? 48. 48. Click show more. Fighter performance bonuses at the historic UFC Freedom 250 were paid entirely in USD1 stable coin. Issued by World Liberty Financial, a crypto venture, tied or linked, not tied, that was a mistake, linked to the Trump family. The USD1 stable coin is a digital currency designed to be pegged, interesting usage of that word,

one to one with the U.S. dollar. I mean, in this room, that means something else. Don't you think, my? Yeah. The Trump family-backed crypto firm served as a presenting partner for the event and provided $250,000 for the performance of the night bonus pool. Leadership is hard enough. Without doing some shit like this.

And again, I am not going to say I totally understand the comings and goings of this and all of the infinite details associated with this. But if I'm in that seat, the conversations I would have, if you made the decision to go down this, how can we have a clear separation between the two? How can we leave no doubt? Let's leave no gray area. What are our boundaries? What are the roles and responsibilities?

How do we make sure that people don't think that this is nepotistic in nature or that I'm just hooking up my buddy? Right. And if you can't arrive at a place where you can be sure of those things, you have to ask yourself, is the juice worth the squeeze? Right. And then sometimes you have to say no. Yeah. Because guess what? You're supposed to serve the American people, not yourself.

Yeah. Has anybody told him that? I would be fascinated. I have zero insight for clarity. I have zero insight into this administration and how what type of feedback he gets in any type of meeting, whether it be defense, spending, spending, budget, nothing. I have no idea. But I would be very interested to be in the room for a couple of those types of meetings to listen to the type of feedback. I would be curious to know.

what are people comfortable saying? What do they avoid? Do they not say anything because they know some leaders are like that? They don't want to hear anything. And then that changes, if you don't want to get crushed by that type of person,

or if you say something, it's your job to say something in a meeting like that and you do and you get crushed because you don't align with the boss. If you don't think that that rounds the edges on your behavior a little bit, you're lying to yourself. Yeah.

I would be fascinated to know. I would love to know. I have no insight whatsoever. I mean, yeah, I don't know. Obviously, I have no clue. I've heard rumors, stories that he's not a good feedback taker. But again, I don't know. These are just stories I hear.

Yeah. I have no idea, so I can't really comment on that. Yeah. We are living in a wild time, Michael. It is actually a wild time. Even for, you know, obviously, I am not very old. But if you had had a ticket, would you've gone? Hmm.

I don't know. No, because on one hand. What's the decision making process you're thinking through? One hand, I love the UFC. Same. It is so fun to watch. It's a great time. On the other hand, honestly, like, I don't know that I want to support that event in particular.

And not that my lack of support will affect it in any way. But for me, it's just like more of a moral thing. You believe in. Yeah. It's a moral thing in my head, you know. I don't think I would have gone either because I like listening to the commentators. Leah and I were in the S3-300. I've talked about it.

It was we were in a packed area. I was watching the project. I was there when Gates you got flatlined by Holloway. Oh. Oh. I was watching it being projected onto the back of a projector, though. So I think it was inverted. Oh, interesting.

Because that's the best angle that I can see. So the crowd erupted who were watching at real time. There was a slight delay. Yeah. I didn't realize how much was. lost by not being able to hear those experts talk. I enjoy the commentary aspect. I do too, actually.

Yeah. And their reactions too, because their reaction to that moment, I remember watching it. They lost their mind. Because it was crazy. It was so amazing. Yeah.

No, I agree with you. You have nine minutes to fill, Michael. What do we have next? We're really covering wide-ranging topics today. Okay, let's go.

Have you heard of the Ridgel Farms Beagle Rescue? Yes. Okay. This one is freaking Leah out. In what way? She's now, has said many times, I am never buying products that are tested on animals again. Oh, yeah.

Well, if you see the things that Ridgeline Farms does. Trust me. I have an idea of what it looks like. Yeah. So first of all, here's just footage of the actual, like, quote-unquote, raid. I don't know if you call it a raid, but. That could be a raid. Protests that turned into a raid.

Okay, so hold on a second. These people are at Ridgeland Farms? Yes, they're at Rijlind Farms. and they break into, they eventually break into the facility. Let's get into that. Did they grab dogs? Yes.

They grab dogs and they obviously. Ridgeland Farms in the town of Blue Melds. Ridgel Farms breeds beagles for biomedical research. This is the second reported attempt to breach the property after a similar incident on March 15th. New attend, Lauren Abou said has you covered on what unfolded? A lot of people are bleeding and hurt on the ground. That's how activists describe the scene after a planned protest at Ridgelham Farms.

Hey, pause. Why are they bleeding it on the ground? I believe because of police intervention. I was going to say, did the beagles get out and fuck them up? What's going on here? It's Saturday. Whoa. People had the goal of freeing beagles used for biomedical research,

but the situation quickly turned chaotic. Many people have been tear gas. Protesters say law enforcement used pepper spray tear gas and non-lethal rounds as tensions grew. Many people are pulling out for medics after being tear gas. You can see behind me, people are on the ground being covered by blankets, shielding from the sun, also being port sailing solution in their eyes. And we have the right to go in and the police hurting people when we have illegal backing is, honestly, it's very distraptful.

Children and older adults. Hit pause. Yeah. What rights specifically is she talking about? I'm not sure. I feel like they don't have a right, a legal right to go in. Unless you have, for my understanding, a court order or permission from the owner. of private property, you do not have a right to enter under that property.

You can be on public property and you can protest for sure. And again, I don't know what they have. Let's be really cautious with the term rights. Yeah, because even though morally, I do agree with what they did. Legally, you still trespass. Correct. So among those at the scene as a confrontation unfolded, Dane County Sheriff Calvin Barrett addressed the incident on social media Saturday, saying the situation intensified after protesters entered the property and attempted to break into the facility. They have break-in tools. They are cutting through the fence. They have breached through with the vehicle and drove around the property. They have ladders to get up and over the fences. Sheriff Calvin-Mir. And pause, you don't have the right to do that.

No, you don't. That's what I'm saying. So let's be, let's be, do you have the right to protest? 100%. Do you have the right to breach and gain access to a private facility to do that? You do not. No. I will say I agree 100% with what they did. I also agree that they had to face the consequences of that. You're a complicated man, Michael. Yes. But I morally, I think they're 100% in the right. Did you go get one of those beagles? Did you do your part in the right here? I actually looked into adopting one, but they all got adopted. That's not true. It's a couple of things. thousand that are left. Really? When I went to their website, they said they all got adopted. You went to a single website? They are the website of these people that broke in. So you went to a website?

Yeah, that's what I said. Okay, I just won. Yeah. Okay. I didn't, I apparently did not do enough of my research. Your commitment can be measured in a single website. Yes. But again, complicated man, Michael. Complicated man. Here is why I say they are morally correct in the everything that they were doing to the beagles is gnarly and if people really if they had to uh if this see this and this stuff is complicated if there have been legitimate scientific discoveries and a betterment of humanity from this research that's a net positive but is it worth the cost that it would come from because if they had to put up on a billboard what it's you know illegal surgeries severe neglect and untreated injuries dangerous housing and closures

unsaf ammonia levels unsanitary conditions and psychological harm if they had to put up there hey this is just so you guys know this is what we're doing here this is where it becomes complicated right it's life isn't fair and it's and it's oftentimes not pretty and people don't want to pay attention to the things that are often required to innovate and I'm not saying that this is an example of what is required but a lot of innovation and evolution is pretty gnarly it's pretty dirty. I agree. I'm just not sure how much innovation was going on here. I'm not saying that there was a ton. I'm just saying, I think if they had to put a billboard up of what was going on in there, I think people would pay a lot more attention to it. What do you mean? Like what was going on as far as

like at the facility, they had to have a bunch of like this is exactly what we're doing. Yeah. And the pictures of the beagles. Yeah. And I mean, it already got, I mean, you could see how many protesters were there. Yeah. So I don't know if that was the one where they actually broke in, but I know that there was a one. To avoid felony prosecution, Regglin Farms was forced to surrender its state breeding license and agreed to complete operational shutdown and transfer its dogs to rescue organizations. What was Ridgeland Farms doing? Google Ridgeland.

What was the purpose of Ridgeland Farms? So I believe. Actually, it was for animal testing, right? For product testing on animals? So I believe they were breeding beagles to be sold to product testing. Look it up, so we're sure. Yes. As few assumptions as possible.

We got the internet or our fingertips. Yep. A longstanding commercial breeder and supplier of purpose spread beagles for medical, veterinary, and biomedical research. Gotcha. Okay. Who. It's complicated. Yeah. How we have the things we have as a society is not always as altruistic and perfect and shiny as people would like it to be.

I agree. I, I, I 100% agree with that. I just don't think this specific situation is as complicated in my mind. I'm not saying it is. I'm just saying in general. Yeah. No, I agree with that aspect of what you just said. I mean, I think when you talk about scientific discoveries, the Japanese during World War II found out a lot of things about the human body. But guess how they found that out? You're cutting them in pieces?

Yes, in horrible, horrible ways. But we still use that information today because now it actually does help more people. Yeah. Which is not to say in the interest. of science, we should cut people and have some samurai swords. Exactly. We can find, especially nowadays, I think we can find better solutions than this to our scientific innovations.

I would hope so. So, yeah, I don't care enough to have the beagle, but. I will go and look at more websites because I assumed, and that is my fault, that that was the only. We know. Yeah. Well, now everybody knows. What do you want to close that with?

our time. We've got to prep for the next podcast. Don't Don't abuse animals. General rule. Yeah. Don't abuse animals. Anything happy, perhaps, you'd like to leave people with? They coast off into their weekend. Or is that just it?

That's it. Yeah, don't abuse animals. Have a good weekend. Sometimes. That's enough. That's enough. Perfect.